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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Come on spit it out, us greens are really friendly.... We won't be mad with you, honestly... Now spit it out

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock


"Come on spit it out, us greens are really friendly.... We won't be mad with you, honestly... Now spit it out "

I saw the OP before it was deleted. He asked if there were any green party supporters on here, thought you would answer.

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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago

Cambridge


"Come on spit it out, us greens are really friendly.... We won't be mad with you, honestly... Now spit it out "

I read once that every Google search uses as much electricity as boiling 2 full kettles. How much electric does it take for a forum post?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Come on spit it out, us greens are really friendly.... We won't be mad with you, honestly... Now spit it out

I read once that every Google search uses as much electricity as boiling 2 full kettles. How much electric does it take for a forum post? "
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Yours or mine?... There's more than likely a large difference in where it's generated but not the amount!

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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago

Cambridge


"Come on spit it out, us greens are really friendly.... We won't be mad with you, honestly... Now spit it out

I read once that every Google search uses as much electricity as boiling 2 full kettles. How much electric does it take for a forum post? .

Yours or mine?... There's more than likely a large difference in where it's generated but not the amount!"

Looked again and read another article that says it takes 14 Google searches to equal one kettle, so it's probably somewhere between a lot of electricity and a little bit!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Come on spit it out, us greens are really friendly.... We won't be mad with you, honestly... Now spit it out

I read once that every Google search uses as much electricity as boiling 2 full kettles. How much electric does it take for a forum post? .

Yours or mine?... There's more than likely a large difference in where it's generated but not the amount!

Looked again and read another article that says it takes 14 Google searches to equal one kettle, so it's probably somewhere between a lot of electricity and a little bit! "
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Thanks to the EU, kettles are now industry standard at 1.8kw, mine takes about 3 minutes to boil at capacity, so I make that about 90w for a kettle....I generate my electric on the roof though with solar panels, I also have a small turbine for the windy days, but in reality I use all that in my shed cooking chip fat to turn into fuel, my shed actually is the biggest draw, power tools, heating elements, welder... Oh and the homemade wine

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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago

Cambridge


"Come on spit it out, us greens are really friendly.... We won't be mad with you, honestly... Now spit it out

I read once that every Google search uses as much electricity as boiling 2 full kettles. How much electric does it take for a forum post? .

Yours or mine?... There's more than likely a large difference in where it's generated but not the amount!

Looked again and read another article that says it takes 14 Google searches to equal one kettle, so it's probably somewhere between a lot of electricity and a little bit! .

Thanks to the EU, kettles are now industry standard at 1.8kw, mine takes about 3 minutes to boil at capacity, so I make that about 90w for a kettle....I generate my electric on the roof though with solar panels, I also have a small turbine for the windy days, but in reality I use all that in my shed cooking chip fat to turn into fuel, my shed actually is the biggest draw, power tools, heating elements, welder... Oh and the homemade wine "

But when you do a google search its the electricity that is used it their data centres that we are talking about, not the electricity to power your laptop.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Ahh I'm with you now?.

The obvious solution is stop googling then?, but again it depends on how Google are generating their power demands!

Although on the grand scheme of things i think Google searches are a bit towards the bottom on the list of stuff to cut back on doing....I mean the 30 million tonnes of plastic disposable tat a month from China is probably a better place to start, the hundreds of millions of tonnes of food thrown away from giving consumers massive choice, the 100,000 air flights a day, most of which are just nonsense in the grand scheme.

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Our jib was cut along time ago I'm afraid.... We're in the delusional phase with climate change, we could have done something about it 20 years ago maybe, not now though, we still do this odd human thing of trying to bargain our way out of it.... If we do a little recycling, ride a bike once week, only eat minimal meat, we might just stave off the worst, yeah sure you might, you'll probably survive into a post apocalyptic world of uncontrollable forest fires, floods you can't imagine, refugees of hundreds of millions if not billions, storms that level entire city's and half the species of the planet extinct....

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Do yourself a favour look at the forums with objective eyes, what do you see?.

Arguing about wealth, jobs, trade, travel, xmas presents, new cars, what phone you should buy, saving immigrants, not saving immigrants, Tories v labour, EU, trump.

I'll give you one stat, under Obama the good liberal President, fossil fuel usage reached record highs, what do you think trump will do?.

Last month at the start of winter the Arctic was plus 4 degrees with a 20 degree anomaly, it should have been front page headlines across the world, it's scared the shit out of most of the climate scientists studying it, it's decades ahead of predictions... And what are the politicans arguing about....£1000 brown leather trousers!..... And you think these people are going to save you from it? Honestly?.

Do yourself a favour, you seem like an intelligent guy, read some of the studies this week, there's lectures on YouTube by leading scientists, then get back to me on what you think the major problem is going to be in ten years time, queue times at Heathrow, or the fact that the Thames barrier just got breached

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By *oi_LucyCouple
over a year ago

Barbados


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But when you do a google search its the electricity that is used it their data centres that we are talking about, not the electricity to power your laptop."

FWIW, Last week Google stated that they will be powered entirely by renewables from 2017.:

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2016/dec/06/google-powered-100-renewable-energy-2017

Althought they do mention they are not ruling out, or adverse to including nuclear power in the mix too. Despite the headline, they seem to be saying they are aiming for 'low-carbon' generation rather than '100% renewable', so include nuclear and biomass in that too.

A small step in the world, I agree, but at least it is going in the right direction.

-Matt

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It's still bargaining...

How much c02 goes into building a nuclear plant, how much c02 in mining the uranium for it, when does the plant become carbon neutral? (On average it's 14 years) how much c02 in dismantling it?..... And finally and not lastly.... We've already got over 400 of them built next to the sea which is going to rise, how long to dismantle the ones at great risk, how much c02 in building sea defences for them?.

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It's the mental bargain your doing, like pissing on a forest fire is a step in the right direction, of course if the fires heading your direction in the next hour it's a completely pointless one!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Green here.For me only way to vote if you like planet earth.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Green here.For me only way to vote if you like planet earth."
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Greetings fellow greenie

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"It's still bargaining...

How much c02 goes into building a nuclear plant, how much c02 in mining the uranium for it, when does the plant become carbon neutral? (On average it's 14 years) how much c02 in dismantling it?..... And finally and not lastly.... We've already got over 400 of them built next to the sea which is going to rise, how long to dismantle the ones at great risk, how much c02 in building sea defences for them?.

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It's the mental bargain your doing, like pissing on a forest fire is a step in the right direction, of course if the fires heading your direction in the next hour it's a completely pointless one!"
Its crucial to protect what's left of the planet's ecosystem.For me there is only one way this can happen and its a technological solution We need to have an energy revolution.Massive investment is required in R&D.It's all possible.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I wouldn't vote Green , but I think they do serve a good purpose as a party .

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By *otlovefun42Couple
over a year ago

Costa Blanca Spain...

OK. The Greens have a few (but not many) good ideas.

The problem is, well not just one problem, they are a bunch of loony's.

The German Greens for example think that incest should be legalised along with the lowering of the age of consent

They are also on record as saying that Muslims will not only become a majority in Germany by 2030 but that it would be a good thing.

You could laugh at them but these idiots are serious.

Saving the planet has now become a side issue for them.

Oh, and they've got Caroline Lucas. Enough said.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"OK. The Greens have a few (but not many) good ideas.

The problem is, well not just one problem, they are a bunch of loony's.

The German Greens for example think that incest should be legalised along with the lowering of the age of consent

They are also on record as saying that Muslims will not only become a majority in Germany by 2030 but that it would be a good thing.

You could laugh at them but these idiots are serious.

Saving the planet has now become a side issue for them.

Oh, and they've got Caroline Lucas. Enough said."
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"OK. The Greens have a few (but not many) good ideas.

The problem is, well not just one problem, they are a bunch of loony's.

The German Greens for example think that incest should be legalised along with the lowering of the age of consent

They are also on record as saying that Muslims will not only become a majority in Germany by 2030 but that it would be a good thing.

You could laugh at them but these idiots are serious.

Saving the planet has now become a side issue for them.

Oh, and they've got Caroline Lucas. Enough said."
I Don't recall voting for a German.However they are very good at renewables. Germany leads the world in wind power and is closing all of its reactors by 2022.I dont think they need a green party as their political position is very green compared to us.I applaud them.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"OK. The Greens have a few (but not many) good ideas.

The problem is, well not just one problem, they are a bunch of loony's.

The German Greens for example think that incest should be legalised along with the lowering of the age of consent

They are also on record as saying that Muslims will not only become a majority in Germany by 2030 but that it would be a good thing.

You could laugh at them but these idiots are serious.

Saving the planet has now become a side issue for them.

Oh, and they've got Caroline Lucas. Enough said.... "

Don't mind Lucas to be Fair , and I like Farage ! Aghhhhh even I can't figure that out !

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I Don't recall voting for a German.However they are very good at renewables. Germany leads the world in wind power and is closing all of its reactors by 2022.I dont think they need a green party as their political position is very green compared to us.I applaud them."

Aren't Germany and China close to creating a lot of power through fusion? If they do oil will be worthless. Electric all the way. I believe it's still nuclear fusion though.

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By *otlovefun42Couple
over a year ago

Costa Blanca Spain...


"I Don't recall voting for a German.However they are very good at renewables. Germany leads the world in wind power and is closing all of its reactors by 2022.I dont think they need a green party as their political position is very green compared to us.I applaud them.

Aren't Germany and China close to creating a lot of power through fusion? If they do oil will be worthless. Electric all the way. I believe it's still nuclear fusion though."

Nuclear Fusion technology is very much in its infancy and (at least) decades away from being a viable power source.

China is still building new coal fired power stations so don't expect change there any time soon.

Germany produces most of its electricity from gas powered stations.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I dunno I go away for ten minutes and we've gone green crazy... Firstly yes alot of greens are a little bit eccentric, that's because there outside the box thinkers, which is why there greens, lots of very eminent people were eccentric to some extent.

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Before anybody gets carried away with jumping to renewables as an instant solution.... You need to examine some stuff like how much energy do we use on transport like cars, bus, lorry's, internal flights... You need to replace ALL of these onto electricity, the reality is we need to completely and utterly start again on transport infrastructure and I'm afraid there's an awful lot of c02 goes into building this stuff, so we need to get it right first time.

The Paris accord held to what the scientists and the data shows.

1 we should NOT go over 2 degrees above baseline but preferably not over 1.5 degrees(looks like that's fucked already as we hit 1.2 this year).

2 a reduction of c02 around 80% should be in place by 2036?(were currently at record highs).

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It's a big ask I'll give you that but the alternative is we all just carry on and live on an earth that with the effects of climate change just won't hold 7 billon people and then eventually won't hold any humans at all!...

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By *azkinsWoman
over a year ago

leeds

I don't eat sprouts

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Every complex life requires habitat, humans are no different we require land, water, food and air. We might be able to adapt to a 4 degree change however biologists except that grass, plants, crops, bees, small mammals won't, so that's your food chain fucked.

Only 0.2 of water is accessible fresh water as temperatures increase water vapour gets held in the air, there's already today a world wide water shortage, bearing in mind we've contaminated massive amounts of it.... That's your water fucked.

Air, humans pretty much need oxygen 80% of the world's oxygen is produced by phytoplankton in the oceans, these little creatures are very susceptible to temperature and acidification, the oceans are currently at 2 million year levels of acidification as most of the c02 gets dissolved into it, the other 20% is made by plant life in the rain forests of the world, all of which are rapidly shrinking as we plough them up for resources and farm land... That's your air fucked.

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Any scientist or biologist will tell you we are ALREADY fighting a systemic biological failure, species are going extinct at a rate not seen for 300 million years, we are at the start of the sixth great die off..... If we get our heads from up are arses and actually realise that.... We can't go on like this, nature will wether you like it or not chew you up and spit you out as just another one of the 600 species a week that are currently doing extinct.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

https://youtu.be/Fw7GfNR5PLA.

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As a final note here is an animation from NASAs NOAA satellite observation it tracks ice in the Arctic ocean, the white stuff if the old ice that stays all year and is over 9 years old the light blue is ice that's less thicker but will stay through the year the dark blue is ice that comes in the winter and goes in the summer.

The animation goes from 1990-2015 and takes about 1 minute watch...

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Notice how it belches out the old ice down past Greenland's East coast into the Atlantic, the artic vortex spins it around in circles and it also holds all the very cold air inside the Arctic circle, that's also seen a massive drop in its intensity, it's why Washington DC saw very severe winters the last few years and why they think we might this year....

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What we found out after a lot of research is this stuffs not linear but all the models were, what we've seen and measured is it actually acts more exponentially that's why you see small change, on small change on small change and then change and then poof all that old ice just goes just like that!.

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By *otlovefun42Couple
over a year ago

Costa Blanca Spain...


"Every complex life requires habitat, humans are no different we require land, water, food and air. We might be able to adapt to a 4 degree change however biologists except that grass, plants, crops, bees, small mammals won't, so that's your food chain fucked.

Only 0.2 of water is accessible fresh water as temperatures increase water vapour gets held in the air, there's already today a world wide water shortage, bearing in mind we've contaminated massive amounts of it.... That's your water fucked.

Air, humans pretty much need oxygen 80% of the world's oxygen is produced by phytoplankton in the oceans, these little creatures are very susceptible to temperature and acidification, the oceans are currently at 2 million year levels of acidification as most of the c02 gets dissolved into it, the other 20% is made by plant life in the rain forests of the world, all of which are rapidly shrinking as we plough them up for resources and farm land... That's your air fucked.

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Any scientist or biologist will tell you we are ALREADY fighting a systemic biological failure, species are going extinct at a rate not seen for 300 million years, we are at the start of the sixth great die off..... If we get our heads from up are arses and actually realise that.... We can't go on like this, nature will wether you like it or not chew you up and spit you out as just another one of the 600 species a week that are currently doing extinct."

I must admit that I agree with your sentiments. However, where we would probably differ is on the answer.

It is all very easy to pillory the west and load industry and the population with green taxes like some modern day flagellants, but we only have one atmosphere and it covers the whole world. Not just Europe.

While the Chinese (among others) are chucking up coal fired power stations at a rate of about one a week and Brazil and Indonesia (among others) are burning their rain forests for Palm Oil, an extra tenner on my flight to Alicante or another hundred windmills in the Irish sea wont make one jot of difference.

Now if the Green party came up with an idea like a 10 or 20% environment tax on all imported Chinese or Indian goods for example. That could focus a few minds.

But no. Third world development is much more important than saving the planet and that is why the Greens (or watermelons as I prefer to call them) for me at least, have no credibility.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


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I must admit that I agree with your sentiments. However, where we would probably differ is on the answer.

It is all very easy to pillory the west and load industry and the population with green taxes like some modern day flagellants, but we only have one atmosphere and it covers the whole world. Not just Europe.

While the Chinese (among others) are chucking up coal fired power stations at a rate of about one a week and Brazil and Indonesia (among others) are burning their rain forests for Palm Oil, an extra tenner on my flight to Alicante or another hundred windmills in the Irish sea wont make one jot of difference.

Now if the Green party came up with an idea like a 10 or 20% environment tax on all imported Chinese or Indian goods for example. That could focus a few minds.

But no. Third world development is much more important than saving the planet and that is why the Greens (or watermelons as I prefer to call them) for me at least, have no credibility.

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We actually don't disagree, its utterly pointless which is in reality why were not doing it, I mean sure we're pissing around at the edges but we're not actually doing anything about it, every year the west's c02 emissions go up or stay static through recession.

I think a carbon tax is probably the best attempt at slowing it, we have the ability to put a tax on all fossil fuels which would rise annually at a set level, the idea being the more you use the more tax you pay, that's the incentive to get off it, however the difference with this tax being what you do is you recycle all the tax paid back to the users, everybody gets an equal share back, therefore the less you use and pay in the more you get back, another encouragement not to start using it, eventually what you'd do is allow the free market to then innovate solutions around non carbon based energy, it might take about 20 to 40 years but eventually with ever rising tax on carbon and the tax going back to people to free up money for the free market to innovate you might get down to reducing c02 by maybe 90% .... The benefit being it's a world wide tax on carbon, you'd get the oil companies to implement it at source.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

However how we probably differ is....I don't think it's fixable, I think we're fucked.

if you read enough of the reports and data you start to see we've already locked ourselves onto this Rubicon of 2 degrees, that's done and dusted,the lag is twenty years through various reasons, that means we're only experiencing today, 1997s c02 emissions and we're at 1.2 already, by the way the 2 degree Rubicon, nothing to do with science it was dreamt up by an economist .

The science said we shouldn't fuck around with the temperature at all, the system is so complex that we couldn't possibly foresee the problems that will occur!.

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We've already started 29 self reinforcing feed back loops, those don't shut down even if tomorrow we find fusion or warp drive, once there started they keep rolling like a snowball getting bigger and starting others, it's how the natural climate change system works, were just speeding it along to what's called runaway status, it's no longer in our hands, it's in nature's... And she's a bit of a bitch with species that get out of hand.... So why am I green you may ask?.

Well I belive that as an intelligent species we have a duty to pass on a half reasonable planet to whatever follows us, who knows it could be planet of the apes after all!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Electricity generated from renewable sources has tripled in Germany over the past 10 years. Based on Energiewende goals, the share of power generated from renewable sources is set to increase to 40% to 45% by 2025 and to more than 80% by 2050.The future is fusion .Unfortunately its decades away.ITER in france maybe the answer when it goes online.We need a sun in jar as soon as possible.Endless clean energy is the solution.Protecting the enviroment won't solve the problem .

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I try not to be to negative but we are living in the 6th mass extinction event this planet has seen.We will have to lose many iconic large mammals.Its far to late for many but not all.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Electricity generated from renewable sources has tripled in Germany over the past 10 years. Based on Energiewende goals, the share of power generated from renewable sources is set to increase to 40% to 45% by 2025 and to more than 80% by 2050.The future is fusion .Unfortunately its decades away.ITER in france maybe the answer when it goes online.We need a sun in jar as soon as possible.Endless clean energy is the solution.Protecting the enviroment won't solve the problem ."
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Professor Tim Garrett did an excellent peer reviewed study on civilisation being a heat effect.

His work is very eye opening coming from his thermo dynamic aspects.... As he points out, making things more efficient only actually makes a difference if you don't increase your consumption!.

Growth is deterministic by nature on a finite plant... The question is not if but when!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

You are right endless economic growth on a planet with finite resources is suicidal.

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