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"It depends upon what your individual opinion is - personally, it could be both, I've no doubt that some unscrupulous remainers would use it for delaying tactics. Plus, it is not in the EU's interests to complete negotiations quickly and efficiently, as potentially the EU will lose a rather large contribution once negotiations are complete. One of the problem areas, of course, is that the EU's rules and process of someone wanting to leave are, to say the least, missing, as they never envisaged anyone wanting to leave. And don't mention Greenland, that was a walk in the park compared to a major country, and net contributor, leaving." Well I would have thought that the UK contribution to the EU budget would stop in its current form 2 years after A50 is triggered. I would have though that anything we are paying after that is based on whatever we negotiate by then. There are a lot of EU-wide services we piggyback off and we will need to sort out replacements for or come to some arrangement to continue using. But you are right, this is going to be a massive deal.. it took Greenland how many years to negotiate their withdrawal (3?) and they have a total population similar to Weymouth and a single industry, fishing. I think we can safely say some kind of transitional arrangement is going to be both inevitable and necessary. It will be interesting to see what this transistional agreement would cover though, as I'm stuggling to see how negotiating that would be any less troublesome than the main deal. Surely the EU is going to want some kind of timeline on that transition period. And surely that amounts to the same thing as extending the A50 deadline which requires unanimous vote? Would we then end up in a situation where *everyone* is unhappy with the outcome though... the leavers will still be moaning that we haven't left yet and they still haven't yet got back control of their country, and the remainers will be pissed off that the chaos they have been predicting will be the reality. -Matt | |||
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"I think a situation where most people are pissed off is by far the most likely outcome." Or top of your wish list. | |||
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"I think a situation where most people are pissed off is by far the most likely outcome. Or top of your wish list." Why is it that you are so pro brexit? After all you live in Germany (the most pro EU country there is) and Spain, and it has to be noted that you do not seem in a rush to return to Britain any time soon. | |||
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"A sensible precaution to stop a cliff edge Brexit, or a delaying tactic trying to obstruct the 'will of the people'?" Surey it depends entirely upon what the transitional arrangement is and how long it lasts for? See, you Remainers just have no idea of your plan, do you? | |||
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"See, you Remainers just have no idea of your plan, do you?" I think that remainers do have a plan. It involves cutting Nige's and Boris's balls off and feeding them to them when everything goes tits up after we leave the EU. | |||
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"A sensible precaution to stop a cliff edge Brexit, or a delaying tactic trying to obstruct the 'will of the people'? Surey it depends entirely upon what the transitional arrangement is and how long it lasts for? See, you Remainers just have no idea of your plan, do you?" lol... oh you are funny. I wish I could now find the link to that 'letters to the editor' or whatever it was with a parody of the conversation between the remain and leave camps in which remain get blamed for not having the plan for the leave camp to use. -Matt | |||
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"A sensible precaution to stop a cliff edge Brexit, or a delaying tactic trying to obstruct the 'will of the people'? Surey it depends entirely upon what the transitional arrangement is and how long it lasts for? See, you Remainers just have no idea of your plan, do you? lol... oh you are funny. I wish I could now find the link to that 'letters to the editor' or whatever it was with a parody of the conversation between the remain and leave camps in which remain get blamed for not having the plan for the leave camp to use. -Matt" From the FT... Remainers (left holding the Brexit baby after the Leavers… left) “WTF?” Leavers “We voted Brexit, now You Remainers need to implement it” Remainers “But it’s not possible!” Leavers “The People Have Spoken. Therefore it is possible. You just have to think positively.” Remainers “And do what exactly?” Leavers “Come up with a Plan that will leave us all better off outside the EU than in it” Remainers “But it’s not possible!” Leavers “Quit with the negative vibes. The People Have Spoken.” Remainers “But even you don’t know how!” Leavers “That’s your problem, we’ve done our bit and voted, we’re going to sit here and eat popcorn and watch as you do it.” Remainers “Shouldn’t you do it?” Leavers “It’s not up to us to work out the detail, it’s up to you experts.” Remainers “I thought you’d had enough of experts” Leavers “Remain experts.” Remainers “There are no Leave experts” Leavers “Then you’ll have to do it then. Oh, and by the way, no dragging your feet or complaining about it, because if you do a deal we don’t want, we’ll eat you alive.” Remainers “But you don’t know what you want!” Leavers “We want massive economic growth, no migration, free trade with the EU and every other country, on our terms, the revival of British industry, re-open the coal mines, tea and vicars on every village green, some bunting, and maybe restoration of the empire.” Remainers “You’re delusional.” Leavers “We’re a delusional majority. DEMOCRACY! So do the thing that isn’t possible, very quickly, and give all Leavers what they want, even though they don’t know what they want, and ignore the 16 million other voters who disagree. They’re tight trouser latte-sipping hipsters who whine all the time, who cares.” | |||
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"A sensible precaution to stop a cliff edge Brexit, or a delaying tactic trying to obstruct the 'will of the people'? Surey it depends entirely upon what the transitional arrangement is and how long it lasts for? See, you Remainers just have no idea of your plan, do you? lol... oh you are funny. I wish I could now find the link to that 'letters to the editor' or whatever it was with a parody of the conversation between the remain and leave camps in which remain get blamed for not having the plan for the leave camp to use. -Matt" A bit of humour can go a long way. But the Remainers plan in the event of a Remain vote? What was that, then? | |||
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"A sensible precaution to stop a cliff edge Brexit, or a delaying tactic trying to obstruct the 'will of the people'? Surey it depends entirely upon what the transitional arrangement is and how long it lasts for? See, you Remainers just have no idea of your plan, do you? lol... oh you are funny. I wish I could now find the link to that 'letters to the editor' or whatever it was with a parody of the conversation between the remain and leave camps in which remain get blamed for not having the plan for the leave camp to use. -Matt A bit of humour can go a long way. But the Remainers plan in the event of a Remain vote? What was that, then?" The plan was...... To remain in the EU | |||
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"A sensible precaution to stop a cliff edge Brexit, or a delaying tactic trying to obstruct the 'will of the people'? Surey it depends entirely upon what the transitional arrangement is and how long it lasts for? See, you Remainers just have no idea of your plan, do you?" But we don't need a plan..... | |||
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"A sensible precaution to stop a cliff edge Brexit, or a delaying tactic trying to obstruct the 'will of the people'? Surey it depends entirely upon what the transitional arrangement is and how long it lasts for? See, you Remainers just have no idea of your plan, do you? But we don't need a plan....." So you would have been happy to just toodle along with no changes to the EU? | |||
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"A sensible precaution to stop a cliff edge Brexit, or a delaying tactic trying to obstruct the 'will of the people'? Surey it depends entirely upon what the transitional arrangement is and how long it lasts for? See, you Remainers just have no idea of your plan, do you? But we don't need a plan..... So you would have been happy to just toodle along with no changes to the EU?" I voted to remain, simply to remain, I didn't need a plan.....I voted in line with the question on the ballot. | |||
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"A sensible precaution to stop a cliff edge Brexit, or a delaying tactic trying to obstruct the 'will of the people'? Surey it depends entirely upon what the transitional arrangement is and how long it lasts for? See, you Remainers just have no idea of your plan, do you? But we don't need a plan..... So you would have been happy to just toodle along with no changes to the EU? I voted to remain, simply to remain, I didn't need a plan.....I voted in line with the question on the ballot." So, you were happy with the policies and direction of the EU? | |||
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"A sensible precaution to stop a cliff edge Brexit, or a delaying tactic trying to obstruct the 'will of the people'? Surey it depends entirely upon what the transitional arrangement is and how long it lasts for? See, you Remainers just have no idea of your plan, do you? But we don't need a plan..... So you would have been happy to just toodle along with no changes to the EU? I voted to remain, simply to remain, I didn't need a plan.....I voted in line with the question on the ballot. So, you were happy with the policies and direction of the EU?" I was happy to vote remain......I didn't need a plan | |||
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"A sensible precaution to stop a cliff edge Brexit, or a delaying tactic trying to obstruct the 'will of the people'? Surey it depends entirely upon what the transitional arrangement is and how long it lasts for? See, you Remainers just have no idea of your plan, do you? But we don't need a plan..... So you would have been happy to just toodle along with no changes to the EU? I voted to remain, simply to remain, I didn't need a plan.....I voted in line with the question on the ballot. So, you were happy with the policies and direction of the EU?" I'm not 100% happy with everything the EU does, but on balance I think it is pretty good. But similarly to Jane's Hubby I voted to remain, that didn't need a plan. I could be facetious and say "Remain is remain" 
My personal view on the situation at the moment, is it's a bit like we decided we didn't like the colour of our carpet, but instead of replacing the carpet we decided to sell the house. Now we are waiting for completion, the market has tanked and we aren't going to get enough to cover our mortgage balance and we are stood on the street scratching our head trying to work out what to do next.
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"A sensible precaution to stop a cliff edge Brexit, or a delaying tactic trying to obstruct the 'will of the people'? Surey it depends entirely upon what the transitional arrangement is and how long it lasts for? See, you Remainers just have no idea of your plan, do you? But we don't need a plan..... So you would have been happy to just toodle along with no changes to the EU? I voted to remain, simply to remain, I didn't need a plan.....I voted in line with the question on the ballot. So, you were happy with the policies and direction of the EU? I'm not 100% happy with everything the EU does, but on balance I think it is pretty good. But similarly to Jane's Hubby I voted to remain, that didn't need a plan. I could be facetious and say "Remain is remain"
My personal view on the situation at the moment, is it's a bit like we decided we didn't like the colour of our carpet, but instead of replacing the carpet we decided to sell the house. Now we are waiting for completion, the market has tanked and we aren't going to get enough to cover our mortgage balance and we are stood on the street scratching our head trying to work out what to do next.
-Matt"That is fine. You obviously had no major issues with the EU. Everyone has their own views. I didn't like the freeholder, let alone the carpet. | |||
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"A sensible precaution to stop a cliff edge Brexit, or a delaying tactic trying to obstruct the 'will of the people'? Surey it depends entirely upon what the transitional arrangement is and how long it lasts for? See, you Remainers just have no idea of your plan, do you? lol... oh you are funny. I wish I could now find the link to that 'letters to the editor' or whatever it was with a parody of the conversation between the remain and leave camps in which remain get blamed for not having the plan for the leave camp to use. -Matt A bit of humour can go a long way. But the Remainers plan in the event of a Remain vote? What was that, then? The plan was...... To remain in the EU" Actually, the plan was to remain in a REFORMED EU..... but of all the remainers I've discussed this with, and all those interviewed on TV, radio etc, I've not seen any consensus of opinion that says what that reform should be, nor any plan to achieve it. | |||
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"I didn't like the freeholder, let alone the carpet." yep, we get that. And we also get that you've sold the house and we are just waiting for the paperwork to go through. However at what point are you going to stop telling us that we are going to be all right, that life on the street is great and the people you sold our house to will have no choice but to let us continue to live in it without paying the bills and them rent? | |||
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"It depends upon what your individual opinion is - personally, it could be both, I've no doubt that some unscrupulous remainers would use it for delaying tactics. Plus, it is not in the EU's interests to complete negotiations quickly and efficiently, as potentially the EU will lose a rather large contribution once negotiations are complete. One of the problem areas, of course, is that the EU's rules and process of someone wanting to leave are, to say the least, missing, as they never envisaged anyone wanting to leave. And don't mention Greenland, that was a walk in the park compared to a major country, and net contributor, leaving. Well I would have thought that the UK contribution to the EU budget would stop in its current form 2 years after A50 is triggered. I would have though that anything we are paying after that is based on whatever we negotiate by then. There are a lot of EU-wide services we piggyback off and we will need to sort out replacements for or come to some arrangement to continue using. But you are right, this is going to be a massive deal.. it took Greenland how many years to negotiate their withdrawal (3?) and they have a total population similar to Weymouth and a single industry, fishing. I think we can safely say some kind of transitional arrangement is going to be both inevitable and necessary. It will be interesting to see what this transistional agreement would cover though, as I'm stuggling to see how negotiating that would be any less troublesome than the main deal. Surely the EU is going to want some kind of timeline on that transition period. And surely that amounts to the same thing as extending the A50 deadline which requires unanimous vote? Would we then end up in a situation where *everyone* is unhappy with the outcome though... the leavers will still be moaning that we haven't left yet and they still haven't yet got back control of their country, and the remainers will be pissed off that the chaos they have been predicting will be the reality. -Matt" I think the transitional arrangements will be.. Carry on as normal. Which will mean that the EU can prevaricate over the negotiations for as long as they want. | |||
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"I think the transitional arrangements will be.. Carry on as normal. Which will mean that the EU can prevaricate over the negotiations for as long as they want." You are delusional! The EU is not prevaricating in any way. They keep telling us to trigger article 50. In fact they are now telling us that as we are not going to trigger article 50 before spring 17 we will have to have finished all negotiations in 18 months not 2 years. That is not prevarication, that is a helping hand to the door that I suspect is quickly going to develop into a full on bums rush followed by picking up the welcome mat, a slamming of the door, throwing the bolts and turning off the lights! | |||
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"I didn't like the freeholder, let alone the carpet. yep, we get that. And we also get that you've sold the house and we are just waiting for the paperwork to go through. However at what point are you going to stop telling us that we are going to be all right, that life on the street is great and the people you sold our house to will have no choice but to let us continue to live in it without paying the bills and them rent?" At what point were you going to change the crappy carpets and the rent arrangement? We can all play the game. | |||
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"At what point were you going to change the crappy carpets and the rent arrangement? We can all play the game." It is not a game! The pro exit lobby that you support have not come up with a single concrete idea as to what a post brexit Britain is going to be like other than its going to be great and the EU will give us everything we want because they need us. At the same time the EU are saying 'no we wont and no we dont' and stop pissing around and fuck off! And still you and those like you refuse to believe that we are heading for shit creak! At what point will you accept that your majority have just fucked up your own home not just for yourselves and the rest of us but for your children and grandchildren! | |||
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"At what point were you going to change the crappy carpets and the rent arrangement? We can all play the game. It is not a game! The pro exit lobby that you support have not come up with a single concrete idea as to what a post brexit Britain is going to be like other than its going to be great and the EU will give us everything we want because they need us. At the same time the EU are saying 'no we wont and no we dont' and stop pissing around and fuck off! And still you and those like you refuse to believe that we are heading for shit creak! At what point will you accept that your majority have just fucked up your own home not just for yourselves and the rest of us but for your children and grandchildren!" At the same point that you tell me why you think the EU was such a great political concept leading to economic stability and wonderful shining beauifulness. Like a super Disney film. | |||
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"I think the transitional arrangements will be.. Carry on as normal. Which will mean that the EU can prevaricate over the negotiations for as long as they want. You are delusional! The EU is not prevaricating in any way. They keep telling us to trigger article 50. In fact they are now telling us that as we are not going to trigger article 50 before spring 17 we will have to have finished all negotiations in 18 months not 2 years. That is not prevarication, that is a helping hand to the door that I suspect is quickly going to develop into a full on bums rush followed by picking up the welcome mat, a slamming of the door, throwing the bolts and turning off the lights! " Why 18 months and not 2 years? You do know that the EU rules are 2 years FROM THE TIME THAT ARTICLE 50 IS TRIGGERED, don't you? What they are saying 18 months for is because they want 6 months for the 27 nations of the EU to ratify the agreement. They would want this whenever Article 50 is triggered. | |||
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"I think a situation where most people are pissed off is by far the most likely outcome. Or top of your wish list. Why is it that you are so pro brexit? After all you live in Germany (the most pro EU country there is) and Spain, and it has to be noted that you do not seem in a rush to return to Britain any time soon." That is quite true. However I see a bigger picture. As a true European I (and millions of others on the continent) have realised that the EU is an outdated institution that is not fit for purpose in the 21st century. The sooner it falls and a new "Common Market" rises from the ashes the better it will be for all 500 million of us. We (and I don't just mean Britain) really don't need it. | |||
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"I think a situation where most people are pissed off is by far the most likely outcome. Or top of your wish list. Why is it that you are so pro brexit? After all you live in Germany (the most pro EU country there is) and Spain, and it has to be noted that you do not seem in a rush to return to Britain any time soon. That is quite true. However I see a bigger picture. As a true European I (and millions of others on the continent) have realised that the EU is an outdated institution that is not fit for purpose in the 21st century. The sooner it falls and a new "Common Market" rises from the ashes the better it will be for all 500 million of us. We (and I don't just mean Britain) really don't need it." ...spot on comment. | |||
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"At what point were you going to change the crappy carpets and the rent arrangement? We can all play the game. It is not a game! The pro exit lobby that you support have not come up with a single concrete idea as to what a post brexit Britain is going to be like other than its going to be great and the EU will give us everything we want because they need us. At the same time the EU are saying 'no we wont and no we dont' and stop pissing around and fuck off! And still you and those like you refuse to believe that we are heading for shit creak! At what point will you accept that your majority have just fucked up your own home not just for yourselves and the rest of us but for your children and grandchildren! At the same point that you tell me why you think the EU was such a great political concept leading to economic stability and wonderful shining beauifulness. Like a super Disney film." I love that carpet analogy Why do you keeping shouting about a lack of a plan to stay It's a bit like the saying about rash decisions in business... "why take the time to do things right when we can screw it up right now" | |||
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"I think a situation where most people are pissed off is by far the most likely outcome. Or top of your wish list. Why is it that you are so pro brexit? After all you live in Germany (the most pro EU country there is) and Spain, and it has to be noted that you do not seem in a rush to return to Britain any time soon. That is quite true. However I see a bigger picture. As a true European I (and millions of others on the continent) have realised that the EU is an outdated institution that is not fit for purpose in the 21st century. The sooner it falls and a new "Common Market" rises from the ashes the better it will be for all 500 million of us. We (and I don't just mean Britain) really don't need it." An excellent post with the added benefit of someone who has experienced life living in both the UK and Germany | |||
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"I think a situation where most people are pissed off is by far the most likely outcome. Or top of your wish list. Why is it that you are so pro brexit? After all you live in Germany (the most pro EU country there is) and Spain, and it has to be noted that you do not seem in a rush to return to Britain any time soon. That is quite true. However I see a bigger picture. As a true European I (and millions of others on the continent) have realised that the EU is an outdated institution that is not fit for purpose in the 21st century. The sooner it falls and a new "Common Market" rises from the ashes the better it will be for all 500 million of us. We (and I don't just mean Britain) really don't need it." Great post well said.  | |||
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"The sooner it falls and a new "Common Market" rises from the ashes the better it will be for all 500 million of us. We (and I don't just mean Britain) really don't need it." Yep, you doggy and pat have it right, who needs peace in Europe much better rest the clock and have another round of blood letting after all you 3 are all too old to have to do the fighting so it will be great sport for you.  | |||
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"The sooner it falls and a new "Common Market" rises from the ashes the better it will be for all 500 million of us. We (and I don't just mean Britain) really don't need it. Yep, you doggy and pat have it right, who needs peace in Europe much better rest the clock and have another round of blood letting after all you 3 are all too old to have to do the fighting so it will be great sport for you. ".....so who are you going to be fighting in this war. | |||
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"The sooner it falls and a new "Common Market" rises from the ashes the better it will be for all 500 million of us. We (and I don't just mean Britain) really don't need it. Yep, you doggy and pat have it right, who needs peace in Europe much better rest the clock and have another round of blood letting after all you 3 are all too old to have to do the fighting so it will be great sport for you. "Just tell me what the EU has done to keep the peace? Do you think a democratic France would have gone to war with a democratic Germany? Or maybe a democratic Italy would have crossed the Alps and invaded Austria. Maybe the Dutch would have gone to war with Belgium over the price of Tulips. The EU keeping the peace in Europe is a complete myth. The only threat was the Soviet Union and its Warsaw pact satellites and it was only NATO and the Americans that kept it in check for 70 years. Oh and while I'm at it with the EU's peace keeping credentials. They did a fat lot of good in the former Yugoslavia didn't they? | |||
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"The sooner it falls and a new "Common Market" rises from the ashes the better it will be for all 500 million of us. We (and I don't just mean Britain) really don't need it. Yep, you doggy and pat have it right, who needs peace in Europe much better rest the clock and have another round of blood letting after all you 3 are all too old to have to do the fighting so it will be great sport for you.
Just tell me what the EU has done to keep the peace?
Do you think a democratic France would have gone to war with a democratic Germany?
Or maybe a democratic Italy would have crossed the Alps and invaded Austria.
Maybe the Dutch would have gone to war with Belgium over the price of Tulips.
The EU keeping the peace in Europe is a complete myth.
The only threat was the Soviet Union and its Warsaw pact satellites and it was only NATO and the Americans that kept it in check for 70 years.
Oh and while I'm at it with the EU's peace keeping credentials. They did a fat lot of good in the former Yugoslavia didn't they?
"You EU bashers make me laugh. The EU (and predecessor organisations) is about peace between its members. Yugoslavia was not a member of the EU or its predecessors. If you want the EU to take responsibility for peace outside its borders then it would need at least, a peace making and peace keeping force. Do you want the EU to have a military force of some kind???? | |||
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"The sooner it falls and a new "Common Market" rises from the ashes the better it will be for all 500 million of us. We (and I don't just mean Britain) really don't need it. Yep, you doggy and pat have it right, who needs peace in Europe much better rest the clock and have another round of blood letting after all you 3 are all too old to have to do the fighting so it will be great sport for you.
Just tell me what the EU has done to keep the peace?
Do you think a democratic France would have gone to war with a democratic Germany?
Or maybe a democratic Italy would have crossed the Alps and invaded Austria.
Maybe the Dutch would have gone to war with Belgium over the price of Tulips.
The EU keeping the peace in Europe is a complete myth.
The only threat was the Soviet Union and its Warsaw pact satellites and it was only NATO and the Americans that kept it in check for 70 years.
Oh and while I'm at it with the EU's peace keeping credentials. They did a fat lot of good in the former Yugoslavia didn't they?
You EU bashers make me laugh. The EU (and predecessor organisations) is about peace between its members. Yugoslavia was not a member of the EU or its predecessors.
If you want the EU to take responsibility for peace outside its borders then it would need at least, a peace making and peace keeping force. Do you want the EU to have a military force of some kind???? "The point is that the EU was and is superfluous to peace in Europe. Just what the hell has it done on an international scale to maintain peace or stop a war? Nothing, Nada, Zilch, Fuck all. The only time it tried to get involved it only managed to stir up a hornets nest in Ukraine and we all know how that ended up. Just tell me why a Europe of democratic nations needs a supranational organisation costing billions per year to stop friendly democracy's going to war with each other? On the economic side I could just slightly rephrase the same question. Why does what should be just a simple customs union (aka single market, common market, call it what you will) need to spend untold billions on presidents, parliaments, 30,000 plus civil servants et al? We really don't need it. | |||
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" Do you want the EU to have a military force of some kind???? " Sorry I missed that bit. The EU being in charge of any military force is far too scary a thought. I wouldn't let them run a cadet force. | |||
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" Do you want the EU to have a military force of some kind???? Sorry I missed that bit. The EU being in charge of any military force is far too scary a thought. I wouldn't let them run a cadet force." Right, so how do you expect them to run peace making and peace keeping operation outside of their borders then? | |||
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" Do you want the EU to have a military force of some kind???? Sorry I missed that bit. The EU being in charge of any military force is far too scary a thought. I wouldn't let them run a cadet force. Right, so how do you expect them to run peace making and peace keeping operation outside of their borders then? " You (probably deliberately) missed the point by a country mile. I don't. Get it? We don't need it. Get it? We've got NATO. Get it? Whenever it has tried to get involved (which is very rare) it has fucked up on a biblical scale. Get it? | |||
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" Do you want the EU to have a military force of some kind???? Sorry I missed that bit. The EU being in charge of any military force is far too scary a thought. I wouldn't let them run a cadet force. Right, so how do you expect them to run peace making and peace keeping operation outside of their borders then? You (probably deliberately) missed the point by a country mile. I don't. Get it? We don't need it. Get it? We've got NATO. Get it? Whenever it has tried to get involved (which is very rare) it has fucked up on a biblical scale. Get it?" No I dont get it, because You chose to blame the EU for the former Yugoslavia. You can't have it both ways, saying they are responsible for wars outside of their borders whilst also saying they were should not have the means to stop such wars. | |||
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" Do you want the EU to have a military force of some kind???? Sorry I missed that bit. The EU being in charge of any military force is far too scary a thought. I wouldn't let them run a cadet force. Right, so how do you expect them to run peace making and peace keeping operation outside of their borders then? You (probably deliberately) missed the point by a country mile. I don't. Get it? We don't need it. Get it? We've got NATO. Get it? Whenever it has tried to get involved (which is very rare) it has fucked up on a biblical scale. Get it? No I dont get it, because You chose to blame the EU for the former Yugoslavia. You can't have it both ways, saying they are responsible for wars outside of their borders whilst also saying they were should not have the means to stop such wars. " You really don't (or choose not to) get it do you? The EU did bugger all in Yugoslavia but is always credited (by remainers) with "keeping the peace in Europe for 70 years" It didn't. I know you always like to switch things around to your agenda but please try on stay on topic. The reason I mentioned Yugoslavia is because the EU did nothing, which is all fine and dandy as long as remainers don't keep banging on about the 70 years of peace shit. The EU was never needed to keep the peace between friendly democracy's so no need to keep bringing up the 70 years of peace shit yet again. NATO alone kept the Soviets in check for 40 years. The EU did fuck all apart from to turn up waving flags when the wall came down, so please drop the 70 years of peace shit. The EU did get involved, although not militarily, (thank god) in Ukraine and it was probably the biggest fuck up since Pearl Harbour. So yes we may have had 70 years of relative peace but it was sod all to do with the bloody useless mind mindbogglingly expensive EU. Oh and that would be the very same EU that is still frozen like a rabbit in the headlights when in comes to its handling (or lack of it) of the current migrant crisis. The EU is useless, hopeless, expensive, corrupt, and should be swept into the history books as one of Europe's most spectacular failures. | |||
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"I actually find it a bit rich that someone who chooses to leave good old blighty for economic reasons....basically turning there back on it...and pays no contributions into the country has the audacity to even comment on the situation...yet has an opinion on migrants coming into to this country...someone who actually took advantage of the freedom of movement....it beggars believe tbh "So I left blighty for economic reasons? You sure about that? I'd love to see your source for that little pippin. But whatever, I'm just as entitled to an opinion as you are and, if you had noticed, I'm talking about the whole of the EU where I still live. So I'm fully entitled to say what the hell I want. So I took advantage of free movement did I? How do you know that? Do you know the date I moved? No you don't so either produce some evidence or shut the fuck up talking about something that you know fuck all about. | |||
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" Do you want the EU to have a military force of some kind???? Sorry I missed that bit. The EU being in charge of any military force is far too scary a thought. I wouldn't let them run a cadet force. Right, so how do you expect them to run peace making and peace keeping operation outside of their borders then? You (probably deliberately) missed the point by a country mile. I don't. Get it? We don't need it. Get it? We've got NATO. Get it? Whenever it has tried to get involved (which is very rare) it has fucked up on a biblical scale. Get it? No I dont get it, because You chose to blame the EU for the former Yugoslavia. You can't have it both ways, saying they are responsible for wars outside of their borders whilst also saying they were should not have the means to stop such wars. You really don't (or choose not to) get it do you? The EU did bugger all in Yugoslavia but is always credited (by remainers) with "keeping the peace in Europe for 70 years" It didn't. I know you always like to switch things around to your agenda but please try on stay on topic. The reason I mentioned Yugoslavia is because the EU did nothing, which is all fine and dandy as long as remainers don't keep banging on about the 70 years of peace shit. The EU was never needed to keep the peace between friendly democracy's so no need to keep bringing up the 70 years of peace shit yet again. NATO alone kept the Soviets in check for 40 years. The EU did fuck all apart from to turn up waving flags when the wall came down, so please drop the 70 years of peace shit. The EU did get involved, although not militarily, (thank god) in Ukraine and it was probably the biggest fuck up since Pearl Harbour. So yes we may have had 70 years of relative peace but it was sod all to do with the bloody useless mind mindbogglingly expensive EU. Oh and that would be the very same EU that is still frozen like a rabbit in the headlights when in comes to its handling (or lack of it) of the current migrant crisis. The EU is useless, hopeless, expensive, corrupt, and should be swept into the history books as one of Europe's most spectacular failures. " An excellent post . It is a shame that not all forum posters are as open minded as you. If you were in a restaurant and not happy with your food, you would refuse to pay your bill. There are people posting on these forums who seem happy to pay more into the EU than we get out . Maybe we should just refuse to pay out next installment . We can then just forget about article 50 etc. | |||
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" Do you want the EU to have a military force of some kind???? Sorry I missed that bit. The EU being in charge of any military force is far too scary a thought. I wouldn't let them run a cadet force. Right, so how do you expect them to run peace making and peace keeping operation outside of their borders then? You (probably deliberately) missed the point by a country mile. I don't. Get it? We don't need it. Get it? We've got NATO. Get it? Whenever it has tried to get involved (which is very rare) it has fucked up on a biblical scale. Get it? No I dont get it, because You chose to blame the EU for the former Yugoslavia. You can't have it both ways, saying they are responsible for wars outside of their borders whilst also saying they were should not have the means to stop such wars. You really don't (or choose not to) get it do you? The EU did bugger all in Yugoslavia but is always credited (by remainers) with "keeping the peace in Europe for 70 years" It didn't. I know you always like to switch things around to your agenda but please try on stay on topic. The reason I mentioned Yugoslavia is because the EU did nothing, which is all fine and dandy as long as remainers don't keep banging on about the 70 years of peace shit. The EU was never needed to keep the peace between friendly democracy's so no need to keep bringing up the 70 years of peace shit yet again. NATO alone kept the Soviets in check for 40 years. The EU did fuck all apart from to turn up waving flags when the wall came down, so please drop the 70 years of peace shit. The EU did get involved, although not militarily, (thank god) in Ukraine and it was probably the biggest fuck up since Pearl Harbour. So yes we may have had 70 years of relative peace but it was sod all to do with the bloody useless mind mindbogglingly expensive EU. Oh and that would be the very same EU that is still frozen like a rabbit in the headlights when in comes to its handling (or lack of it) of the current migrant crisis. The EU is useless, hopeless, expensive, corrupt, and should be swept into the history books as one of Europe's most spectacular failures.....well said. " | |||
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"I actually find it a bit rich that someone who chooses to leave good old blighty for economic reasons....basically turning there back on it...and pays no contributions into the country has the audacity to even comment on the situation...yet has an opinion on migrants coming into to this country...someone who actually took advantage of the freedom of movement....it beggars believe tbh "It is freedom of movement that has destroyed the EU .If the EU had just stuck to being a trading partnership it might have worked . | |||
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"I actually find it a bit rich that someone who chooses to leave good old blighty for economic reasons....basically turning there back on it...and pays no contributions into the country has the audacity to even comment on the situation...yet has an opinion on migrants coming into to this country...someone who actually took advantage of the freedom of movement....it beggars believe tbh
So I left blighty for economic reasons? You sure about that? I'd love to see your source for that little pippin.
But whatever, I'm just as entitled to an opinion as you are and, if you had noticed, I'm talking about the whole of the EU where I still live. So I'm fully entitled to say what the hell I want.
So I took advantage of free movement did I? How do you know that? Do you know the date I moved? No you don't so either produce some evidence or shut the fuck up talking about something that you know fuck all about."If you say so...  | |||
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"I actually find it a bit rich that someone who chooses to leave good old blighty for economic reasons....basically turning there back on it...and pays no contributions into the country has the audacity to even comment on the situation...yet has an opinion on migrants coming into to this country...someone who actually took advantage of the freedom of movement....it beggars believe tbh It is freedom of movement that has destroyed the EU .If the EU had just stuck to being a trading partnership it might have worked . "Of course it did Pat...you know best | |||
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So I left blighty for economic reasons? You sure about that? I'd love to see your source for that little pippin.
But whatever, I'm just as entitled to an opinion as you are and, if you had noticed, I'm talking about the whole of the EU where I still live. So I'm fully entitled to say what the hell I want.
So I took advantage of free movement did I? How do you know that? Do you know the date I moved? No you don't so either produce some evidence or shut the fuck up talking about something that you know fuck all about.
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" If you were in a restaurant and not happy with your food, you would refuse to pay your bill. " Right, I totally agree. But I would have at least had a think about where I might get an alternative meal BEFORE I walk out the door. Half of my dinner party told me that there were a whole load of other restaurants we could go to instead. As I'm putting on my coat to leave, it is discovered they are lying and all the other restaurants in the vicinity have closed for the night. But with an ideology-trumps-practicality mentality I'm now stood out in the cold hungry. And the rest of my dinner party are stood there pissed off with me. " There are people posting on these forums who seem happy to pay more into the EU than we get out . " We don't. " Maybe we should just refuse to pay out next installment . We can then just forget about article 50 etc." We've already negotiated a rebate. We were already negotiating other exceptions favourable to us. We already had a 'better' deal than most of the others there. -Matt | |||
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" If you were in a restaurant and not happy with your food, you would refuse to pay your bill. Right, I totally agree. But I would have at least had a think about where I might get an alternative meal BEFORE I walk out the door. Half of my dinner party told me that there were a whole load of other restaurants we could go to instead. As I'm putting on my coat to leave, it is discovered they are lying and all the other restaurants in the vicinity have closed for the night. But with an ideology-trumps-practicality mentality I'm now stood out in the cold hungry. And the rest of my dinner party are stood there pissed off with me. There are people posting on these forums who seem happy to pay more into the EU than we get out . We don't. Maybe we should just refuse to pay out next installment . We can then just forget about article 50 etc. We've already negotiated a rebate. We were already negotiating other exceptions favourable to us. We already had a 'better' deal than most of the others there. -Matt" So they must be glad to see the back of us | |||
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" If you were in a restaurant and not happy with your food, you would refuse to pay your bill. Right, I totally agree. But I would have at least had a think about where I might get an alternative meal BEFORE I walk out the door. Half of my dinner party told me that there were a whole load of other restaurants we could go to instead. As I'm putting on my coat to leave, it is discovered they are lying and all the other restaurants in the vicinity have closed for the night. But with an ideology-trumps-practicality mentality I'm now stood out in the cold hungry. And the rest of my dinner party are stood there pissed off with me. There are people posting on these forums who seem happy to pay more into the EU than we get out . We don't. Maybe we should just refuse to pay out next installment . We can then just forget about article 50 etc. We've already negotiated a rebate. We were already negotiating other exceptions favourable to us. We already had a 'better' deal than most of the others there. -Matt So they must be glad to see the back of us" Indeed. They certainly don't owe us any favours in negotiating. -Matt | |||
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" If you were in a restaurant and not happy with your food, you would refuse to pay your bill. Right, I totally agree. But I would have at least had a think about where I might get an alternative meal BEFORE I walk out the door. Half of my dinner party told me that there were a whole load of other restaurants we could go to instead. As I'm putting on my coat to leave, it is discovered they are lying and all the other restaurants in the vicinity have closed for the night. But with an ideology-trumps-practicality mentality I'm now stood out in the cold hungry. And the rest of my dinner party are stood there pissed off with me. There are people posting on these forums who seem happy to pay more into the EU than we get out . We don't. Maybe we should just refuse to pay out next installment . We can then just forget about article 50 etc. We've already negotiated a rebate. We were already negotiating other exceptions favourable to us. We already had a 'better' deal than most of the others there. -Matt So they must be glad to see the back of us Indeed. They certainly don't owe us any favours in negotiating. -Matt" so whats all the moaning about? By the way, who are the most of the others we have a better deal than? | |||
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"The peace that the EU has kept is between member states, just member states. Perhaps you have misunderstood if you believed the EU (APO) was responsible for peace for non member states. I've misunderstood nothing. Tell me the last time two (or more) democracy's went to war with each other. The peace between the member states has kept by democracy. The EU just stood there and took the credit. A bit like a football fan who likes to bask in the reflected glory of other peoples achievements. Oh sorry I should have thought before I posted that. Democracy is an alien concept to the EU and its cheer leaders, so I wouldn't expect you to understand." The EU promotes Federalism. And they hate us for being an island. | |||
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"The peace that the EU has kept is between member states, just member states. Perhaps you have misunderstood if you believed the EU (APO) was responsible for peace for non member states. I've misunderstood nothing. Tell me the last time two (or more) democracy's went to war with each other. The peace between the member states has kept by democracy. The EU just stood there and took the credit. A bit like a football fan who likes to bask in the reflected glory of other peoples achievements. Oh sorry I should have thought before I posted that. Democracy is an alien concept to the EU and its cheer leaders, so I wouldn't expect you to understand." 18th century[edit] The Quasi War from 1798 to 1800 between the United States and the French Republic. 19th century[edit] War of 1812[8] Mexican–American War [9] Sonderbund War[10] War of 1849 between the Roman Republic and the Second French Republic[11] American Civil War War of 1859 between Peru and Ecuador.[12] Spanish–American War[13] First and Second Boer Wars.[14] Second Philippine War.[15] 20th century[edit] First Balkan War (1912–13). The Young Turks had re-established constitutional government in Ottoman Turkey in 1908, and continued to struggle for greater liberalization;[16] the "relatively democratic" Constitution of Serbia had been restored in 1903, and attained complete openness of executive recruitment. Serbia and its allies, the constitutional monarchies of Greece and Bulgaria, won the war; Turkey suffered a military coup as a result of defeat.[17] First World War. The Polity IV dataset does not rank any of the Central Powers as democracies, although the component of democracy for Germany had been higher than that of autocracy since the 1890s, when Bismarck was replaced by Leo von Caprivi;[18] neither does the somewhat controversial[19] ranking of Tatu Vanhanen;[20] on the other hand, all of the Central Powers had elected parliaments; the Reichstag had been elected by universal suffrage, and voted on whether a credit essential to the German conduct of the war should be granted. Whether this is democratic control over the foreign policy of the Kaiser is "a difficult case"; Michael W. Doyle concludes, however, that the government was not absolutely dependent on the Reichstag - and that Germany was a dyarchy, effectively a mixture of two different constitutions, and democratic on internal affairs.[21] Polish–Lithuanian War: Fought in 1920, with about 1000 estimated battle deaths. In both states, elections had been held with universal suffrage. In the polity scale, Poland received a +8 rating in combined democracy/autocracy in 1920, while Lithuania received a +7 in democracy and a +4 in combined democracy/autocracy.[22] The conflict is seen by both Polish and Lithuanian historians as a part of the wars of independence from the Soviet Union. Continuation War:[23] A formal state of war between the United Kingdom, Australia and Canada, on one side, and Finland on the other, resulting from the Soviet Union bombing of Finland in 1941; there was actual conflict between the United Kingdom and Finland, including an air raid against Finnish territory, with associated attacks on Finnish shipping, although that took place some months before the declaration of war.[24] Israeli War of Independence: as against Lebanon; Israel had not yet held elections.[25] First Kashmir War Ranked as a full-scale war between democracies in the International Crisis Behavior dataset;[26] they present a table of crises ranking it as a full-scale war, cite it as an example of a crisis where both regimes were of the same type, and discuss the influence of India's democracy on the crisis and the related crises over other princely states.[27] There were fewer than a thousand battlefield casualties in this war.[26] Both countries, then Dominions, then had governments based on the Government of India Act 1935, implemented 1937, which set up Westminster democracy for all of British India;[28] in Pakistan, the politicians, at odds with the civilian bureaucracy, failed to maintain civilian control over the military, and converted the Governor-Generalship into a political office; there was a military coup ten years after the war; the Polity IV dataset counts it as anocratic until 1957-8 (see above), the years before the coup; the same dataset shows India as having been a stable democracy throughout the period.[29] Six-Day War: The Lebanese air force intervened against Israel, both then being democratic states;[30] the same policy set classifies Lebanon as an anocracy, its neologism for imperfect or disputable democracies.[31] although it was called at the time "the only Arab democracy."[32] Football War[33] Turkish invasion of Cyprus. An attack by Turkey, which had a new democratic government since 1973;[34] Cyprus had been a constitutional democracy, although one with severe intercommunal problems, since independence in 1958;[35] the Turkish invasion was a response to a coup. The democratic order of the Republic of Cyprus was restored three days after the invasion, and the war continued for another month.[36] Page Fortna regards this as a debatable case of dual democracy.[37] Paquisha War: War fought in 1981 between Ecuador and Peru. The leaders of both countries had been democratically elected. Ecuador receives a rating of +9 in the polity scale of combined democracy/autocracy, while Peru receives a +7, meaning that both countries are classified as democratic, and Ecuador even as "very democratic".[22] However, the war involved only as high as two hundred deaths in battle. Furthermore, the Peruvian democracy was less than one year old and the Ecuadorian less than 3 years. In addition, both nations lacked democratic control over their militaries.[38] Yugoslav Wars: Bosnia, Croatia and Serbia were all multiparty democracies. Cenepa War: A brief 1995 sequel of the Paquisha War between Ecuador and Peru.[39] 21st century[edit] War in Donbass: Elections were held on 2 November 2014 by the Donetsk and Luhansk People's Republics. Ukraine held elections in 26 October 2014. | |||
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"The peace that the EU has kept is between member states, just member states. Perhaps you have misunderstood if you believed the EU (APO) was responsible for peace for non member states. I've misunderstood nothing. Tell me the last time two (or more) democracy's went to war with each other. The peace between the member states has kept by democracy. The EU just stood there and took the credit. A bit like a football fan who likes to bask in the reflected glory of other peoples achievements. Oh sorry I should have thought before I posted that. Democracy is an alien concept to the EU and its cheer leaders, so I wouldn't expect you to understand. 18th century[edit] The Quasi War from 1798 to 1800 between the United States and the French Republic. 19th century[edit] War of 1812[8] Mexican–American War [9] Sonderbund War[10] War of 1849 between the Roman Republic and the Second French Republic[11] American Civil War War of 1859 between Peru and Ecuador.[12] Spanish–American War[13] First and Second Boer Wars.[14] Second Philippine War.[15] 20th century[edit] First Balkan War (1912–13). The Young Turks had re-established constitutional government in Ottoman Turkey in 1908, and continued to struggle for greater liberalization;[16] the "relatively democratic" Constitution of Serbia had been restored in 1903, and attained complete openness of executive recruitment. Serbia and its allies, the constitutional monarchies of Greece and Bulgaria, won the war; Turkey suffered a military coup as a result of defeat.[17] First World War. The Polity IV dataset does not rank any of the Central Powers as democracies, although the component of democracy for Germany had been higher than that of autocracy since the 1890s, when Bismarck was replaced by Leo von Caprivi;[18] neither does the somewhat controversial[19] ranking of Tatu Vanhanen;[20] on the other hand, all of the Central Powers had elected parliaments; the Reichstag had been elected by universal suffrage, and voted on whether a credit essential to the German conduct of the war should be granted. Whether this is democratic control over the foreign policy of the Kaiser is "a difficult case"; Michael W. Doyle concludes, however, that the government was not absolutely dependent on the Reichstag - and that Germany was a dyarchy, effectively a mixture of two different constitutions, and democratic on internal affairs.[21] Polish–Lithuanian War: Fought in 1920, with about 1000 estimated battle deaths. In both states, elections had been held with universal suffrage. In the polity scale, Poland received a +8 rating in combined democracy/autocracy in 1920, while Lithuania received a +7 in democracy and a +4 in combined democracy/autocracy.[22] The conflict is seen by both Polish and Lithuanian historians as a part of the wars of independence from the Soviet Union. Continuation War:[23] A formal state of war between the United Kingdom, Australia and Canada, on one side, and Finland on the other, resulting from the Soviet Union bombing of Finland in 1941; there was actual conflict between the United Kingdom and Finland, including an air raid against Finnish territory, with associated attacks on Finnish shipping, although that took place some months before the declaration of war.[24] Israeli War of Independence: as against Lebanon; Israel had not yet held elections.[25] First Kashmir War Ranked as a full-scale war between democracies in the International Crisis Behavior dataset;[26] they present a table of crises ranking it as a full-scale war, cite it as an example of a crisis where both regimes were of the same type, and discuss the influence of India's democracy on the crisis and the related crises over other princely states.[27] There were fewer than a thousand battlefield casualties in this war.[26] Both countries, then Dominions, then had governments based on the Government of India Act 1935, implemented 1937, which set up Westminster democracy for all of British India;[28] in Pakistan, the politicians, at odds with the civilian bureaucracy, failed to maintain civilian control over the military, and converted the Governor-Generalship into a political office; there was a military coup ten years after the war; the Polity IV dataset counts it as anocratic until 1957-8 (see above), the years before the coup; the same dataset shows India as having been a stable democracy throughout the period.[29] Six-Day War: The Lebanese air force intervened against Israel, both then being democratic states;[30] the same policy set classifies Lebanon as an anocracy, its neologism for imperfect or disputable democracies.[31] although it was called at the time "the only Arab democracy."[32] Football War[33] Turkish invasion of Cyprus. An attack by Turkey, which had a new democratic government since 1973;[34] Cyprus had been a constitutional democracy, although one with severe intercommunal problems, since independence in 1958;[35] the Turkish invasion was a response to a coup. The democratic order of the Republic of Cyprus was restored three days after the invasion, and the war continued for another month.[36] Page Fortna regards this as a debatable case of dual democracy.[37] Paquisha War: War fought in 1981 between Ecuador and Peru. The leaders of both countries had been democratically elected. Ecuador receives a rating of +9 in the polity scale of combined democracy/autocracy, while Peru receives a +7, meaning that both countries are classified as democratic, and Ecuador even as "very democratic".[22] However, the war involved only as high as two hundred deaths in battle. Furthermore, the Peruvian democracy was less than one year old and the Ecuadorian less than 3 years. In addition, both nations lacked democratic control over their militaries.[38] Yugoslav Wars: Bosnia, Croatia and Serbia were all multiparty democracies. Cenepa War: A brief 1995 sequel of the Paquisha War between Ecuador and Peru.[39] 21st century[edit] War in Donbass: Elections were held on 2 November 2014 by the Donetsk and Luhansk People's Republics. Ukraine held elections in 26 October 2014." WOW!!!! Impressive list. Pity you had to qualify pretty much every one of them. | |||
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How about Ireland? Do they hate them too?"Probably not but then those three aren't the land of milk and honey that the recent influx of migrants landing on EU shores seem to think that we are. | |||
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" The EU promotes Federalism. And they hate us for being an island. Do they also hate Malta and Cyprus for being islands?
How about Ireland? Do they hate them too?
Probably not but then those three aren't the land of milk and honey that the recent influx of migrants landing on EU shores seem to think that we are."But they are islands, and you say the EU hates islands, so I don't get it. | |||
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" The EU promotes Federalism. And they hate us for being an island. Do they also hate Malta and Cyprus for being islands?
How about Ireland? Do they hate them too?
Probably not but then those three aren't the land of milk and honey that the recent influx of migrants landing on EU shores seem to think that we are.
But they are islands, and you say the EU hates islands, so I don't get it."Yep. Normal service resumed.  | |||
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" The EU promotes Federalism. And they hate us for being an island. Do they also hate Malta and Cyprus for being islands?
How about Ireland? Do they hate them too?
Probably not but then those three aren't the land of milk and honey that the recent influx of migrants landing on EU shores seem to think that we are.
But they are islands, and you say the EU hates islands, so I don't get it.
Yep. Normal service resumed. "Well I've heard some ridiculous claims about the EU on this forum, but the suggestion that the EU doesn't like islands is really out there as one of the most bizarre. | |||
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" The EU promotes Federalism. And they hate us for being an island. Do they also hate Malta and Cyprus for being islands?
How about Ireland? Do they hate them too?
Probably not but then those three aren't the land of milk and honey that the recent influx of migrants landing on EU shores seem to think that we are.
But they are islands, and you say the EU hates islands, so I don't get it.
Yep. Normal service resumed.
Well I've heard some ridiculous claims about the EU on this forum, but the suggestion that the EU doesn't like islands is really out there as one of the most bizarre."Must admit even I would agree with that one. Then again the Cypriots got well and truly fucked over by the ECB and the IMF. So maybe there is a grain of truth. | |||
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" The EU promotes Federalism. And they hate us for being an island. Do they also hate Malta and Cyprus for being islands?
How about Ireland? Do they hate them too?
Probably not but then those three aren't the land of milk and honey that the recent influx of migrants landing on EU shores seem to think that we are.
But they are islands, and you say the EU hates islands, so I don't get it.
Yep. Normal service resumed.
Well I've heard some ridiculous claims about the EU on this forum, but the suggestion that the EU doesn't like islands is really out there as one of the most bizarre.
Must admit even I would agree with that one.
Then again the Cypriots got well and truly fucked over by the ECB and the IMF. So maybe there is a grain of truth. "You are nuts, it's no wonder you were deported from the UK. | |||
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" The EU promotes Federalism. And they hate us for being an island. Do they also hate Malta and Cyprus for being islands?
How about Ireland? Do they hate them too?
Probably not but then those three aren't the land of milk and honey that the recent influx of migrants landing on EU shores seem to think that we are.
But they are islands, and you say the EU hates islands, so I don't get it.
Yep. Normal service resumed.
Well I've heard some ridiculous claims about the EU on this forum, but the suggestion that the EU doesn't like islands is really out there as one of the most bizarre."Oh, I don't know. Someone did once suggest that the reason we haven't had any wars in Europe recently is due to membership of the EU. | |||
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" The EU promotes Federalism. And they hate us for being an island. Do they also hate Malta and Cyprus for being islands?
How about Ireland? Do they hate them too?
Probably not but then those three aren't the land of milk and honey that the recent influx of migrants landing on EU shores seem to think that we are.
But they are islands, and you say the EU hates islands, so I don't get it.
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Well I've heard some ridiculous claims about the EU on this forum, but the suggestion that the EU doesn't like islands is really out there as one of the most bizarre.
Must admit even I would agree with that one.
Then again the Cypriots got well and truly fucked over by the ECB and the IMF. So maybe there is a grain of truth.
You are nuts, it's no wonder you were deported from the UK."You've forgotten what happened in Cyprus? Banks closed, bail ins, Etc. The deportation was down to the new rules. You know, when truth became illegal and truthful opinions could only be held offshore. I was once asked "anything to declare" at customs. I said "the truth" then they told me it was an illegal import. | |||
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" The EU promotes Federalism. And they hate us for being an island. Do they also hate Malta and Cyprus for being islands?
How about Ireland? Do they hate them too?
Probably not but then those three aren't the land of milk and honey that the recent influx of migrants landing on EU shores seem to think that we are.
But they are islands, and you say the EU hates islands, so I don't get it.
Yep. Normal service resumed.
Well I've heard some ridiculous claims about the EU on this forum, but the suggestion that the EU doesn't like islands is really out there as one of the most bizarre.
Must admit even I would agree with that one.
Then again the Cypriots got well and truly fucked over by the ECB and the IMF. So maybe there is a grain of truth.
You are nuts, it's no wonder you were deported from the UK.
You've forgotten what happened in Cyprus?
Banks closed, bail ins, Etc.
The deportation was down to the new rules. You know, when truth became illegal and truthful opinions could only be held offshore.
I was once asked "anything to declare" at customs. I said "the truth" then they told me it was an illegal import.
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" The EU promotes Federalism. And they hate us for being an island. Do they also hate Malta and Cyprus for being islands?
How about Ireland? Do they hate them too?
Probably not but then those three aren't the land of milk and honey that the recent influx of migrants landing on EU shores seem to think that we are.
But they are islands, and you say the EU hates islands, so I don't get it.
Yep. Normal service resumed.
Well I've heard some ridiculous claims about the EU on this forum, but the suggestion that the EU doesn't like islands is really out there as one of the most bizarre.
Must admit even I would agree with that one.
Then again the Cypriots got well and truly fucked over by the ECB and the IMF. So maybe there is a grain of truth.
You are nuts, it's no wonder you were deported from the UK.
You've forgotten what happened in Cyprus?
Banks closed, bail ins, Etc.
The deportation was down to the new rules. You know, when truth became illegal and truthful opinions could only be held offshore.
I was once asked "anything to declare" at customs. I said "the truth" then they told me it was an illegal import.
Cyrpus ????...i thought that happened in Greece "Spring 2013. Google it. | |||
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" The EU promotes Federalism. And they hate us for being an island. Do they also hate Malta and Cyprus for being islands?
How about Ireland? Do they hate them too?
Probably not but then those three aren't the land of milk and honey that the recent influx of migrants landing on EU shores seem to think that we are.
But they are islands, and you say the EU hates islands, so I don't get it.
Yep. Normal service resumed.
Well I've heard some ridiculous claims about the EU on this forum, but the suggestion that the EU doesn't like islands is really out there as one of the most bizarre.
Oh, I don't know. Someone did once suggest that the reason we haven't had any wars in Europe recently is due to membership of the EU." | |||
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" The EU promotes Federalism. And they hate us for being an island. Do they also hate Malta and Cyprus for being islands?
How about Ireland? Do they hate them too?
Probably not but then those three aren't the land of milk and honey that the recent influx of migrants landing on EU shores seem to think that we are.
But they are islands, and you say the EU hates islands, so I don't get it.
Yep. Normal service resumed.
Well I've heard some ridiculous claims about the EU on this forum, but the suggestion that the EU doesn't like islands is really out there as one of the most bizarre.
Oh, I don't know. Someone did once suggest that the reason we haven't had any wars in Europe recently is due to membership of the EU."Can you name one war between member states of the EU (APO)? | |||
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" The EU promotes Federalism. And they hate us for being an island. Do they also hate Malta and Cyprus for being islands?
How about Ireland? Do they hate them too?
Probably not but then those three aren't the land of milk and honey that the recent influx of migrants landing on EU shores seem to think that we are.
But they are islands, and you say the EU hates islands, so I don't get it.
Yep. Normal service resumed.
Well I've heard some ridiculous claims about the EU on this forum, but the suggestion that the EU doesn't like islands is really out there as one of the most bizarre.
Oh, I don't know. Someone did once suggest that the reason we haven't had any wars in Europe recently is due to membership of the EU.
Can you name one war between member states of the EU (APO)? "Can you name a war between sausages and baked beans? | |||
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"quote Cyrpus ????...i thought that happened in Greece " Spring 2013. Google it Wasn't really a bail out though...and i googled it "So the banks closed for 2 weeks, customers accounts getting a haircut, and severe exchange controls are ok then? | |||
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" The EU promotes Federalism. And they hate us for being an island. Do they also hate Malta and Cyprus for being islands?
How about Ireland? Do they hate them too?
Probably not but then those three aren't the land of milk and honey that the recent influx of migrants landing on EU shores seem to think that we are.
But they are islands, and you say the EU hates islands, so I don't get it.
Yep. Normal service resumed.
Well I've heard some ridiculous claims about the EU on this forum, but the suggestion that the EU doesn't like islands is really out there as one of the most bizarre.
Oh, I don't know. Someone did once suggest that the reason we haven't had any wars in Europe recently is due to membership of the EU.
Can you name one war between member states of the EU (APO)? "Can you name one that isn't a democracy? | |||
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" The EU promotes Federalism. And they hate us for being an island. Do they also hate Malta and Cyprus for being islands?
How about Ireland? Do they hate them too?
Probably not but then those three aren't the land of milk and honey that the recent influx of migrants landing on EU shores seem to think that we are.
But they are islands, and you say the EU hates islands, so I don't get it.
Yep. Normal service resumed.
Well I've heard some ridiculous claims about the EU on this forum, but the suggestion that the EU doesn't like islands is really out there as one of the most bizarre.
Oh, I don't know. Someone did once suggest that the reason we haven't had any wars in Europe recently is due to membership of the EU.
Can you name one war between member states of the EU (APO)?
Can you name a war between sausages and baked beans?"Ah!!. On that one you are wrong. Last time I was eating sausage beans and chips the sausages got really pissed off that I was eating the beans first. So they declared war on baked beans. | |||
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" The EU promotes Federalism. And they hate us for being an island. Do they also hate Malta and Cyprus for being islands?
How about Ireland? Do they hate them too?
Probably not but then those three aren't the land of milk and honey that the recent influx of migrants landing on EU shores seem to think that we are.
But they are islands, and you say the EU hates islands, so I don't get it.
Yep. Normal service resumed.
Well I've heard some ridiculous claims about the EU on this forum, but the suggestion that the EU doesn't like islands is really out there as one of the most bizarre.
Oh, I don't know. Someone did once suggest that the reason we haven't had any wars in Europe recently is due to membership of the EU.
Can you name one war between member states of the EU (APO)?
Can you name a war between sausages and baked beans?
Ah!!.
On that one you are wrong.
Last time I was eating sausage beans and chips the sausages got really pissed off that I was eating the beans first. So they declared war on baked beans. "Twas a half-hearted attempt at humour. Just because there has been no European war for a while does not prove that the EU has prevented wars. After World War II, I think Europe lost the will for fighting internally. But, heck, if the poster wants to believe it is down to the EU, fine. | |||
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" Twas a half-hearted attempt at humour. Just because there has been no European war for a while does not prove that the EU has prevented wars. After World War II, I think Europe lost the will for fighting internally. But, heck, if the poster wants to believe it is down to the EU, fine." Well obviously juncker et al think there is going to be a war sometime as they want to have their own army | |||
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" Twas a half-hearted attempt at humour. Just because there has been no European war for a while does not prove that the EU has prevented wars. After World War II, I think Europe lost the will for fighting internally. But, heck, if the poster wants to believe it is down to the EU, fine. Well obviously juncker et al think there is going to be a war sometime as they want to have their own army "...or a revolution. | |||
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" Twas a half-hearted attempt at humour. Just because there has been no European war for a while does not prove that the EU has prevented wars. After World War II, I think Europe lost the will for fighting internally. But, heck, if the poster wants to believe it is down to the EU, fine. Well obviously juncker et al think there is going to be a war sometime as they want to have their own army "Nah. He just wants to have another go at Operation Sealion after Brexit. | |||
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"quote Cyrpus ????...i thought that happened in Greece " Spring 2013. Google it Wasn't really a bail out though...and i googled it
So the banks closed for 2 weeks, customers accounts getting a haircut, and severe exchange controls are ok then?"I remember what happened in Cyprus and didn't have to Google It (well it was mainstream news at the time, on just about every front page of every newspaper and on all news bulletins on the Television news stations). Some people seem to have short memories though if they are forgetting about the EU/ECB taking money directly from people's private bank accounts. Either they have forgotten about it or they think it's an okay thing to do and prefer to turn a blind eye to it? | |||
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"quote Cyrpus ????...i thought that happened in Greece " Spring 2013. Google it Wasn't really a bail out though...and i googled it
So the banks closed for 2 weeks, customers accounts getting a haircut, and severe exchange controls are ok then?
I remember what happened in Cyprus and didn't have to Google It (well it was mainstream news at the time, on just about every front page of every newspaper and on all news bulletins on the Television news stations). Some people seem to have short memories though if they are forgetting about the EU/ECB taking money directly from people's private bank accounts. Either they have forgotten about it or they think it's an okay thing to do and prefer to turn a blind eye to it? "Some people will turn a blind eye to pretty much everything the EU does. The Cyprus fiasco was a disgrace but hey ho it can't get in the way of "ever closer union" can it? | |||
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" The EU promotes Federalism. And they hate us for being an island. Do they also hate Malta and Cyprus for being islands?
How about Ireland? Do they hate them too?
Probably not but then those three aren't the land of milk and honey that the recent influx of migrants landing on EU shores seem to think that we are.
But they are islands, and you say the EU hates islands, so I don't get it.
Yep. Normal service resumed.
Well I've heard some ridiculous claims about the EU on this forum, but the suggestion that the EU doesn't like islands is really out there as one of the most bizarre."Ok, let's substitute the word "envy" for "hate". Is that better for you? | |||
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" The EU promotes Federalism. And they hate us for being an island. Do they also hate Malta and Cyprus for being islands?
How about Ireland? Do they hate them too?
Probably not but then those three aren't the land of milk and honey that the recent influx of migrants landing on EU shores seem to think that we are.
But they are islands, and you say the EU hates islands, so I don't get it.
Yep. Normal service resumed.
Well I've heard some ridiculous claims about the EU on this forum, but the suggestion that the EU doesn't like islands is really out there as one of the most bizarre.
Ok, let's substitute the word "envy" for "hate".
Is that better for you? "What exactly do they envy about the UK, Ireland, Malta and Cyprus then? | |||
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" The EU promotes Federalism. And they hate us for being an island. Do they also hate Malta and Cyprus for being islands?
How about Ireland? Do they hate them too?
Probably not but then those three aren't the land of milk and honey that the recent influx of migrants landing on EU shores seem to think that we are.
But they are islands, and you say the EU hates islands, so I don't get it.
Yep. Normal service resumed.
Well I've heard some ridiculous claims about the EU on this forum, but the suggestion that the EU doesn't like islands is really out there as one of the most bizarre.
Ok, let's substitute the word "envy" for "hate".
Is that better for you?
What exactly do they envy about the UK, Ireland, Malta and Cyprus then? "We make better beer? -Matt | |||
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" The EU promotes Federalism. And they hate us for being an island. Do they also hate Malta and Cyprus for being islands?
How about Ireland? Do they hate them too?
Probably not but then those three aren't the land of milk and honey that the recent influx of migrants landing on EU shores seem to think that we are.
But they are islands, and you say the EU hates islands, so I don't get it.
Yep. Normal service resumed.
Well I've heard some ridiculous claims about the EU on this forum, but the suggestion that the EU doesn't like islands is really out there as one of the most bizarre.
Ok, let's substitute the word "envy" for "hate".
Is that better for you?
What exactly do they envy about the UK, Ireland, Malta and Cyprus then? "I was talking specifically about the UK. The fact that we are surrounded by water, and yes, I do know that we have a land border with Ireland, and that we do not allow non-EU passport holders free access. And this was more or less confirmed with some of the more informed interviews with other European politicians pre Referendum. | |||
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" The EU promotes Federalism. And they hate us for being an island. Do they also hate Malta and Cyprus for being islands?
How about Ireland? Do they hate them too?
Probably not but then those three aren't the land of milk and honey that the recent influx of migrants landing on EU shores seem to think that we are.
But they are islands, and you say the EU hates islands, so I don't get it.
Yep. Normal service resumed.
Well I've heard some ridiculous claims about the EU on this forum, but the suggestion that the EU doesn't like islands is really out there as one of the most bizarre.
Ok, let's substitute the word "envy" for "hate".
Is that better for you?
What exactly do they envy about the UK, Ireland, Malta and Cyprus then?
I was talking specifically about the UK. The fact that we are surrounded by water, and yes, I do know that we have a land border with Ireland, and that we do not allow non-EU passport holders free access.
And this was more or less confirmed with some of the more informed interviews with other European politicians pre Referendum."So they don't hate us for being an island then? Like you said they did? They actually envy us, and it's nothing to do with being an island? | |||
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