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"The media is reporting that a woman called Malak Al Shehri showed a photo of herself on the internet without a hijab on a street in Riyadh. Now under arrest by the religious police and facing the prospect of at least being whipped for her crime, Saudi Twitter users have called for her execution with the following translated comments: "We want blood", "Kill her and throw her body to the dogs" "The least punishment for her is beheading her". On a recent thread a number of posters voiced their support for the hijab/burka so I'd like to hear their views on how this women should be dealt with...which kind of punishment/execution would be the most appropriate for her crime? And as Saudi Arabia is regarded as the spiritual home of islam should these penalties apply to women worldwide?" The religious police in Saudi are a real pain in the ass, going around and basically telling people you can't do this or that. The government and police are even scared of challenging them in case of repercussions. Same as the people who follow them, all out of fear of being labelled a herotic  | |||
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"Each country has its own set of laws, so no it shouldn't be world wide. This like many sentences in other countries is considered barbaric by most Brits, myself included. Many people have said in this forum regarding Sharia Councils in the UK, that people should follow the laws of the country that they are in. So I wonder if they believe this also holds true for Saudi Arabia, if you live there, should you respect their laws? " There are those here that state that christians don't have to obey the law here. I wonder if these people feel that christians don't have to obey the law in Saudi? | |||
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"Each country has its own set of laws, so no it shouldn't be world wide. This like many sentences in other countries is considered barbaric by most Brits, myself included. Many people have said in this forum regarding Sharia Councils in the UK, that people should follow the laws of the country that they are in. So I wonder if they believe this also holds true for Saudi Arabia, if you live there, should you respect their laws? There are those here that state that christians don't have to obey the law here. I wonder if these people feel that christians don't have to obey the law in Saudi? " There are many non-Muslims in Saudi who seem to think it's their Right to drink alcohol and are unwilling to accept that just because its part of our culture, it should be fine to do it over there. I don't think Somalis should chew khat here, and Brits shouldn't drink in Saudi. | |||
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" Many people have said in this forum regarding Sharia Councils in the UK, that people should follow the laws of the country that they are in. So I wonder if they believe this also holds true for Saudi Arabia, if you live there, should you respect their laws? " As expected a magnificent defence of Saudi Arabia's Nazi laws from Cambridge. Here is what Amnesty International think about the law in Saudi Arabia: "The government continued to severely restrict freedoms of expression, association and assembly. The authorities arrested, prosecuted and imprisoned human rights defenders and government critics, including under the 2014 anti-terror law, often after unfair trials. Some of those detained were prisoners of conscience. Torture and other ill-treatment of detainees remained common. Unfair trials continued before the Specialized Criminal Court (SCC), a special court for hearing terrorism-related cases, with some trials resulting in death sentences. Discrimination against the Shi’a minority remained entrenched; some Shi’a activists were on death row awaiting execution. Women faced discrimination in law and in practice and were inadequately protected against sexual and other violence. Thousands of migrants were summarily expelled, many to countries where they were at risk of serious human rights violations. The authorities used the death penalty extensively and carried out more than 150 executions." | |||
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"There are many non-Muslims in Saudi who seem to think it's their Right to drink alcohol and are unwilling to accept that just because its part of our culture, it should be fine to do it over there." There are many non Muslims in Saudi who find themselves being beaten up by the religious police and being publicly whipped or worse for drinking alcohol or having non Muslim religious books or symbols, practising other religions and not following Muslim laws. | |||
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"I think what your all missing is these aren't man made laws there religious laws.... Religious law trump's any of your bullshit democratic bollocks laws... Even if your not Muslim!" Ah the voice of enlightenment... You will surely go to paradise and have 72 virgins to do with as you will... Not sure if the 11 and 12 year old girls you get will think it is paradise after you rape them tho. 
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"I think what your all missing is these aren't man made laws there religious laws.... Religious law trump's any of your bullshit democratic bollocks laws... Even if your not Muslim!" Err, no. They are laws made by people, inspired by an overall religiously taken approach. Just as many of our laws are. I am not saying that they fit our approach as acceptable, by the way. But then the Saudis would find our framework unacceptable, too. | |||
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"I think what your all missing is these aren't man made laws there religious laws.... Religious law trump's any of your bullshit democratic bollocks laws... Even if your not Muslim! Ah the voice of enlightenment... You will surely go to paradise and have 72 virgins to do with as you will... Not sure if the 11 and 12 year old girls you get will think it is paradise after you rape them tho.
But seeing as woman are property that does not matter really does it. ". None of that bullshit matters will.... That's just your opinion as a human, I'm dealing with laws from Allah himself....I say stone her him her  | |||
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"I think what your all missing is these aren't man made laws there religious laws.... Religious law trump's any of your bullshit democratic bollocks laws... Even if your not Muslim! Err, no. They are laws made by people, inspired by an overall religiously taken approach. Just as many of our laws are. I am not saying that they fit our approach as acceptable, by the way. But then the Saudis would find our framework unacceptable, too." . That's Bollocks, find me the Saudi legislation for it | |||
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"I think what your all missing is these aren't man made laws there religious laws.... Religious law trump's any of your bullshit democratic bollocks laws... Even if your not Muslim! Err, no. They are laws made by people, inspired by an overall religiously taken approach. Just as many of our laws are. I am not saying that they fit our approach as acceptable, by the way. But then the Saudis would find our framework unacceptable, too.. That's Bollocks, find me the Saudi legislation for it" I am not an expert in Saudi Arabian law. I am sure that you can look it up if you wish to. You must realise that we still have a certain amount of uncodified common law? | |||
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"I think what your all missing is these aren't man made laws there religious laws.... Religious law trump's any of your bullshit democratic bollocks laws... Even if your not Muslim! Err, no. They are laws made by people, inspired by an overall religiously taken approach. Just as many of our laws are. I am not saying that they fit our approach as acceptable, by the way. But then the Saudis would find our framework unacceptable, too.. That's Bollocks, find me the Saudi legislation for it I am not an expert in Saudi Arabian law. I am sure that you can look it up if you wish to. You must realise that we still have a certain amount of uncodified common law? " . You just told me it was a man made law! Now your saying you don't know where it is in legislation?. . . Islamic law is not man made, it's from Allah, now bow down to his mercy before I behead you | |||
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" Many people have said in this forum regarding Sharia Councils in the UK, that people should follow the laws of the country that they are in. So I wonder if they believe this also holds true for Saudi Arabia, if you live there, should you respect their laws? As expected a magnificent defence of Saudi Arabia's Nazi laws from Cambridge. Here is what Amnesty International think about the law in Saudi Arabia: "The government continued to severely restrict freedoms of expression, association and assembly. The authorities arrested, prosecuted and imprisoned human rights defenders and government critics, including under the 2014 anti-terror law, often after unfair trials. Some of those detained were prisoners of conscience. Torture and other ill-treatment of detainees remained common. Unfair trials continued before the Specialized Criminal Court (SCC), a special court for hearing terrorism-related cases, with some trials resulting in death sentences. Discrimination against the Shi’a minority remained entrenched; some Shi’a activists were on death row awaiting execution. Women faced discrimination in law and in practice and were inadequately protected against sexual and other violence. Thousands of migrants were summarily expelled, many to countries where they were at risk of serious human rights violations. The authorities used the death penalty extensively and carried out more than 150 executions."" A magnificent defence? I called them barbaric! | |||
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"I think what your all missing is these aren't man made laws there religious laws.... Religious law trump's any of your bullshit democratic bollocks laws... Even if your not Muslim! Err, no. They are laws made by people, inspired by an overall religiously taken approach. Just as many of our laws are. I am not saying that they fit our approach as acceptable, by the way. But then the Saudis would find our framework unacceptable, too.. That's Bollocks, find me the Saudi legislation for it I am not an expert in Saudi Arabian law. I am sure that you can look it up if you wish to. You must realise that we still have a certain amount of uncodified common law? . You just told me it was a man made law! Now your saying you don't know where it is in legislation?. . . Islamic law is not man made, it's from Allah, now bow down to his mercy before I behead you "Erm, was it not men who wrote the Qu'ran? 0r do you think the prophet dictated it? | |||
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" Erm, was it not men who wrote the Qu'ran? 0r do you think the prophet dictated it?" I think he faxed it  | |||
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"I think what your all missing is these aren't man made laws there religious laws.... Religious law trump's any of your bullshit democratic bollocks laws... Even if your not Muslim! Err, no. They are laws made by people, inspired by an overall religiously taken approach. Just as many of our laws are. I am not saying that they fit our approach as acceptable, by the way. But then the Saudis would find our framework unacceptable, too.. That's Bollocks, find me the Saudi legislation for it I am not an expert in Saudi Arabian law. I am sure that you can look it up if you wish to. You must realise that we still have a certain amount of uncodified common law? . You just told me it was a man made law! Now your saying you don't know where it is in legislation?. . . Islamic law is not man made, it's from Allah, now bow down to his mercy before I behead you
Erm, was it not men who wrote the Qu'ran?
0r do you think the prophet dictated it?". Allah dictated it the prophet.. stop questing things and submit | |||
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" Erm, was it not men who wrote the Qu'ran? 0r do you think the prophet dictated it? I think he faxed it ". That's a stoning there! | |||
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" Erm, was it not men who wrote the Qu'ran? 0r do you think the prophet dictated it? I think he faxed it " | |||
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"Erm, was it not men who wrote the Qu'ran? 0r do you think the prophet dictated it?" How dare the kuffar deny the word of Allah! All true believers know that the Qu'ran was dictated by Allah to Mohammad (all blessings on the profits). And burn anyone who points out Mohammad was an illiterate who picked up a touch of the sun when he got lost in the desert without any water... | |||
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"I think what your all missing is these aren't man made laws there religious laws.... Religious law trump's any of your bullshit democratic bollocks laws... Even if your not Muslim! Err, no. They are laws made by people, inspired by an overall religiously taken approach. Just as many of our laws are. I am not saying that they fit our approach as acceptable, by the way. But then the Saudis would find our framework unacceptable, too.. That's Bollocks, find me the Saudi legislation for it I am not an expert in Saudi Arabian law. I am sure that you can look it up if you wish to. You must realise that we still have a certain amount of uncodified common law? . You just told me it was a man made law! Now your saying you don't know where it is in legislation?. . . Islamic law is not man made, it's from Allah, now bow down to his mercy before I behead you
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0r do you think the prophet dictated it?.
Allah dictated it the prophet.. stop questing things and submit"I will stone myself for suggesting such a stupid thing. | |||
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" That's a stoning there!" Getting stoned is banned! How can we inspire the ignorant and uneducated to fight jihad if they are toking the and listening to unislamic rock and roll music! | |||
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"That's me fucked then "Only if you have preformed Wudu first and Ghusl afterwards! It is the will of Allah! | |||
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"I think what your all missing is these aren't man made laws there religious laws.... Religious law trump's any of your bullshit democratic bollocks laws... Even if your not Muslim! Err, no. They are laws made by people, inspired by an overall religiously taken approach. Just as many of our laws are. I am not saying that they fit our approach as acceptable, by the way. But then the Saudis would find our framework unacceptable, too.. That's Bollocks, find me the Saudi legislation for it I am not an expert in Saudi Arabian law. I am sure that you can look it up if you wish to. You must realise that we still have a certain amount of uncodified common law? . You just told me it was a man made law! Now your saying you don't know where it is in legislation?. . . Islamic law is not man made, it's from Allah, now bow down to his mercy before I behead you
Erm, was it not men who wrote the Qu'ran?
0r do you think the prophet dictated it?.
Allah dictated it the prophet.. stop questing things and submit
I will stone myself for suggesting such a stupid thing.". As ridiculous as it sounds.... This exact argument is being had today right across the middle East... Did you notice how I won by threatening to behead you and not by me being violent but by laying down the word of God, see it's no longer me killing you... I'm just the executioner | |||
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"Did you notice how I won by threatening to behead you and not by me being violent but by laying down the word of God, see it's no longer me killing you... I'm just the executioner" I think you will find that most killers find a way to abrogate responsibility for their actions. Very few killers say 'I did it because I wanted to and could'. | |||
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"I think what your all missing is these aren't man made laws there religious laws.... Religious law trump's any of your bullshit democratic bollocks laws... Even if your not Muslim! Err, no. They are laws made by people, inspired by an overall religiously taken approach. Just as many of our laws are. I am not saying that they fit our approach as acceptable, by the way. But then the Saudis would find our framework unacceptable, too.. That's Bollocks, find me the Saudi legislation for it I am not an expert in Saudi Arabian law. I am sure that you can look it up if you wish to. You must realise that we still have a certain amount of uncodified common law? . You just told me it was a man made law! Now your saying you don't know where it is in legislation?. . . Islamic law is not man made, it's from Allah, now bow down to his mercy before I behead you
Erm, was it not men who wrote the Qu'ran?
0r do you think the prophet dictated it?.
Allah dictated it the prophet.. stop questing things and submit
I will stone myself for suggesting such a stupid thing..
As ridiculous as it sounds.... This exact argument is being had today right across the middle East... Did you notice how I won by threatening to behead you and not by me being violent but by laying down the word of God, see it's no longer me killing you... I'm just the executioner"I don't think you (or anyone else) won. I think you missed the mark. | |||
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"A barbaric country, but their country nonetheless, but as I don't live there and have no interest in living there I can't do anything about it..... I fail to see what response the Op is looking for here, other than to lambast those that reply. " . It's not as bad as you think or at least it wasn't when I was there, but that's a long time ago, it's surprising how quickly you adjust when faced with your hand being chopped off. My over riding memory is the ten lane highway from Jedda to Riyadh with just us on it.... And the heat, fucking hell it's hot like you just couldn't imagine in Riyadh. And honestly the people all in all were really friendly | |||
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"I think what your all missing is these aren't man made laws there religious laws.... Religious law trump's any of your bullshit democratic bollocks laws... Even if your not Muslim! Err, no. They are laws made by people, inspired by an overall religiously taken approach. Just as many of our laws are. I am not saying that they fit our approach as acceptable, by the way. But then the Saudis would find our framework unacceptable, too.. That's Bollocks, find me the Saudi legislation for it I am not an expert in Saudi Arabian law. I am sure that you can look it up if you wish to. You must realise that we still have a certain amount of uncodified common law? . You just told me it was a man made law! Now your saying you don't know where it is in legislation?. . . Islamic law is not man made, it's from Allah, now bow down to his mercy before I behead you
Erm, was it not men who wrote the Qu'ran?
0r do you think the prophet dictated it?"Well if you knew about the Koran/Qur'an; then you would know: 1. "The Prophet" was a man. 2.If you are a believer then the Qur'an was , indeed, " dictated " to the Prophet . It is described as; "the oral revelation [by god/Allah] to Islamic prophet Muhammad and its subsequent written compilation into a manuscript over several decades" If you don't believe in god/Allah , then it is the writings of a man , who was indorired to write it by dimething known only to him. | |||
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"Each country has its own set of laws, so no it shouldn't be world wide. This like many sentences in other countries is considered barbaric by most Brits, myself included. Many people have said in this forum regarding Sharia Councils in the UK, that people should follow the laws of the country that they are in. So I wonder if they believe this also holds true for Saudi Arabia, if you live there, should you respect their laws? " Laws like that ? No ! Surely you can't be saying it's ok ? We should have nowt to do with any country who can treat its people like this ! And where is the Outcry from all those women who protested against Trump !!! | |||
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"Each country has its own set of laws, so no it shouldn't be world wide. This like many sentences in other countries is considered barbaric by most Brits, myself included. Many people have said in this forum regarding Sharia Councils in the UK, that people should follow the laws of the country that they are in. So I wonder if they believe this also holds true for Saudi Arabia, if you live there, should you respect their laws? Laws like that ? No ! Surely you can't be saying it's ok ? We should have nowt to do with any country who can treat its people like this ! And where is the Outcry from all those women who protested against Trump !!!" Well, there is an ON-GOING campaign because this is not a new situation. Hence no outcry. What's happening in the US with the Donald grabbing pussies and saying it's fine is new. Hence the outcry. Neither is OK. Do you agree? | |||
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"Each country has its own set of laws, so no it shouldn't be world wide. This like many sentences in other countries is considered barbaric by most Brits, myself included. Many people have said in this forum regarding Sharia Councils in the UK, that people should follow the laws of the country that they are in. So I wonder if they believe this also holds true for Saudi Arabia, if you live there, should you respect their laws? Laws like that ? No ! Surely you can't be saying it's ok ? We should have nowt to do with any country who can treat its people like this ! And where is the Outcry from all those women who protested against Trump !!! Well, there is an ON-GOING campaign because this is not a new situation. Hence no outcry. What's happening in the US with the Donald grabbing pussies and saying it's fine is new. Hence the outcry. Neither is OK. Do you agree?" Yes I do agree but been beheaded for not wearing a hijab is worse ! It's like saying do u agree punching someone and shooting someone are both wrong ! Yes of course but shooting is worse ! Yet thier is more fuss about Trumo than these Vile Regimes ! | |||
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"We have a friend who calls trump all sorts of names including sexist, yet wont let his wife drive abroad .
Strange how some cant see double standards"Well that is a double standard  | |||
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" Yes I do agree but been beheaded for not wearing a hijab is worse ! It's like saying do u agree punching someone and shooting someone are both wrong ! Yes of course but shooting is worse ! Yet thier is more fuss about Trumo than these Vile Regimes ! " On-going Long-term Has been happening for many years Continual Trump is new. He is the President of the USA. He sets an international tone. That is why there is an outcry. Saudi-Arabia is already condemned. Continues to be. I'm not sure I can explain it in another way. I've run out of vocabulary  | |||
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" Yes I do agree but been beheaded for not wearing a hijab is worse ! It's like saying do u agree punching someone and shooting someone are both wrong ! Yes of course but shooting is worse ! Yet thier is more fuss about Trumo than these Vile Regimes ! On-going Long-term Has been happening for many years Continual Trump is new. He is the President of the USA. He sets an international tone. That is why there is an outcry. Saudi-Arabia is already condemned. Continues to be. I'm not sure I can explain it in another way. I've run out of vocabulary "The Point is that Trump is condemned more ! | |||
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" We should have nowt to do with any country who can treat its people like this ! And where is the Outcry from all those women who protested against Trump !!!" To be clear, I agree that we should have nothing to do with Saudi, but we buy their oil, they buy our weapons, shares, property and government debt so we do nothing. We will also bite our tongue about Trump because we are in the weakest position that we have ever been in the world. We're giving the EU the finger and have to be nice to everyone else to get trade deals. I just don't think that you can have a 40 year outcry against a regime. You have a campaign. You have an outcry about a sudden change. | |||
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" We should have nowt to do with any country who can treat its people like this ! And where is the Outcry from all those women who protested against Trump !!! To be clear, I agree that we should have nothing to do with Saudi, but we buy their oil, they buy our weapons, shares, property and government debt so we do nothing. We will also bite our tongue about Trump because we are in the weakest position that we have ever been in the world. We're giving the EU the finger and have to be nice to everyone else to get trade deals. I just don't think that you can have a 40 year outcry against a regime. You have a campaign. You have an outcry about a sudden change." I accept you are genuine , but to be clear I'd happily have nowt to do with any bad country no matter how big ! We wouldn't starve
I'd rather the country was a bit poorer than have out to do with evil regimes and nut cases !
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" I accept you are genuine , but to be clear I'd happily have nowt to do with any bad country no matter how big ! We wouldn't starve
I'd rather the country was a bit poorer than have out to do with evil regimes and nut cases !
Am I a little Englander , well maybe "There was a time when the UK set the tone. We chose not to choose morality, we picked money. Now we are in a position where taking a stand will not just make us a bit poorer. We rely on these countries to fund our huge budget deficit which is about to ramp up. These countries can afford to be nasty because they are wealthy. Realpolitik. Pants. | |||
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" I accept you are genuine , but to be clear I'd happily have nowt to do with any bad country no matter how big ! We wouldn't starve
I'd rather the country was a bit poorer than have out to do with evil regimes and nut cases !
Am I a little Englander , well maybe
There was a time when the UK set the tone. We chose not to choose morality, we picked money.
Now we are in a position where taking a stand will not just make us a bit poorer. We rely on these countries to fund our huge budget deficit which is about to ramp up. These countries can afford to be nasty because they are wealthy.
Realpolitik.
Pants.". Well I agree with your sentiment can I just ask you something in honesty. Do you really think our deficit would have been any better regardless, I'm not favouring either side but.... Our deficit has got no better under the EU?... I've said this before but I'll say it again, I wouldn't be worried about the 350 million a week or whatever it was.... I'd be worried about the 10 billon a month and growing trade deficit, our trouble is are big problems are not easily solved and so we don't really ever mention them.... Gloss over them and let's talk about this massive 400% rise in hate crimes, yes it's bad but it's still like only 200 recorded.... Meanwhile some financial jock just ran off with hundreds of millions of yours and my money from complicated fraud... But still we have threads on how much we'll miss the banks from brexit.... Here's a solution, let's jail some of the fuckers before they go to Ireland or France!.... There's something I'll pay more tax for | |||
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" I accept you are genuine , but to be clear I'd happily have nowt to do with any bad country no matter how big ! We wouldn't starve
I'd rather the country was a bit poorer than have out to do with evil regimes and nut cases !
Am I a little Englander , well maybe
There was a time when the UK set the tone. We chose not to choose morality, we picked money.
Now we are in a position where taking a stand will not just make us a bit poorer. We rely on these countries to fund our huge budget deficit which is about to ramp up. These countries can afford to be nasty because they are wealthy.
Realpolitik.
Pants."I'd rather be poor ! And have nowt to do with the lot of them ! An that includes Russia , America , china , left wing right wing I don't care ! Bad is bad !!! | |||
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" Well I agree with your sentiment can I just ask you something in honesty. Do you really think our deficit would have been any better regardless, I'm not favouring either side but.... Our deficit has got no better under the EU?... I've said this before but I'll say it again, I wouldn't be worried about the 350 million a week or whatever it was.... I'd be worried about the 10 billon a month and growing trade deficit, our trouble is are big problems are not easily solved and so we don't really ever mention them.... Gloss over them and let's talk about this massive 400% rise in hate crimes, yes it's bad but it's still like only 200 recorded.... Meanwhile some financial jock just ran off with hundreds of millions of yours and my money from complicated fraud... But still we have threads on how much we'll miss the banks from brexit.... Here's a solution, let's jail some of the fuckers before they go to Ireland or France!.... There's something I'll pay more tax for" We're living beyond our means and have been for some time because we always vote for less tax and more spending despite what we pretend. It wasn't necessarily going to get better under the EU, but I can only see it getting worse for at least a decade as we leave. We've clung to finance as our champion because that's where our politicians get jobs afterwards. These industries do provide jobs and tax but to a very narrow section of society. You are quite right about 2008. The industry barely noticed other than one bank. In fact, we gave them even more cash with QE. We should be ensuring that they make no profit until it's all paid back. The rise in hate crimes isn't important for numbers. It's the change in tone and attitude to "the other" that is the concern. | |||
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"I think what your all missing is these aren't man made laws there religious laws.... Religious law trump's any of your bullshit democratic bollocks laws... Even if your not Muslim!" Are you sure,they sound like man made laws, Under the guise of religion. Used to suppress the rights, and free will of women. | |||
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" Are you sure,they sound like man made laws, Under the guise of religion. Used to suppress the rights, and free will of women. " "Man" is the word. Interpreted by men for the benefit of men. Christianity functioned on the same way for centuries. We're only just seeing female bishops and we're apparently enlightened. | |||
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" Are you sure,they sound like man made laws, Under the guise of religion. Used to suppress the rights, and free will of women. "Man" is the word. Interpreted by men for the benefit of men. Christianity functioned on the same way for centuries. We're only just seeing female bishops and we're apparently enlightened." | |||
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" Are you sure,they sound like man made laws, Under the guise of religion. Used to suppress the rights, and free will of women. "Man" is the word. Interpreted by men for the benefit of men. Christianity functioned on the same way for centuries. We're only just seeing female bishops and we're apparently enlightened." They are only getting over honour killings and making dhimies pay the Jizya. Should they be considered morally on par with our culture? | |||
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" Are you sure,they sound like man made laws, Under the guise of religion. Used to suppress the rights, and free will of women. "Man" is the word. Interpreted by men for the benefit of men. Christianity functioned on the same way for centuries. We're only just seeing female bishops and we're apparently enlightened. They are only getting over honour killings and making dhimies pay the Jizya. Should they be considered morally on par with our culture?" No you're quite right, the West is far superior to all Middle Eastern cultures. | |||
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" They are only getting over honour killings and making dhimies pay the Jizya. Should they be considered morally on par with our culture?" Yes. It's there culture of we approve of it or not. We're only getting over "No coloureds, no Irish, no dogs" | |||
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" Are you sure,they sound like man made laws, Under the guise of religion. Used to suppress the rights, and free will of women. "Man" is the word. Interpreted by men for the benefit of men. Christianity functioned on the same way for centuries. We're only just seeing female bishops and we're apparently enlightened. They are only getting over honour killings and making dhimies pay the Jizya. Should they be considered morally on par with our culture? No you're quite right, the West is far superior to all Middle Eastern cultures. "All bar one. | |||
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" Well I agree with your sentiment can I just ask you something in honesty. Do you really think our deficit would have been any better regardless, I'm not favouring either side but.... Our deficit has got no better under the EU?... I've said this before but I'll say it again, I wouldn't be worried about the 350 million a week or whatever it was.... I'd be worried about the 10 billon a month and growing trade deficit, our trouble is are big problems are not easily solved and so we don't really ever mention them.... Gloss over them and let's talk about this massive 400% rise in hate crimes, yes it's bad but it's still like only 200 recorded.... Meanwhile some financial jock just ran off with hundreds of millions of yours and my money from complicated fraud... But still we have threads on how much we'll miss the banks from brexit.... Here's a solution, let's jail some of the fuckers before they go to Ireland or France!.... There's something I'll pay more tax for We're living beyond our means and have been for some time because we always vote for less tax and more spending despite what we pretend. It wasn't necessarily going to get better under the EU, but I can only see it getting worse for at least a decade as we leave. We've clung to finance as our champion because that's where our politicians get jobs afterwards. These industries do provide jobs and tax but to a very narrow section of society. You are quite right about 2008. The industry barely noticed other than one bank. In fact, we gave them even more cash with QE. We should be ensuring that they make no profit until it's all paid back. The rise in hate crimes isn't important for numbers. It's the change in tone and attitude to "the other" that is the concern." . Do you know what really really fucking annoys me, this misconception that the UK is somehow going downhill. Financially maybe but not morally, I see things from a different angle, yesterday there was a Muslim woman and her son abused on a train and the guard stood his ground, the guys racist, and he phoned the btp and viola a successful outcome, no big political movement needed,society preempted it. What you really have to watch is the media coz they'll turn anything into a big thing to distract you from what's really going down and that is simply what's been going on for decades, the rich are stealing from everybody!. That's the statistical evidence you just can't skew | |||
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" They are only getting over honour killings and making dhimies pay the Jizya. Should they be considered morally on par with our culture? Yes. It's there culture of we approve of it or not. We're only getting over "No coloureds, no Irish, no dogs"" Ah yes. Saudi Arabia : they nation that still has the punishment of crucifixion reserved for crimes of treason. That nation that beheads and drives nails into the bones of its citizens is morally on par with my own. Just because. The tendency to portray ourselves as barbarians in contrast to the 'noble savage' is still strong. What an old story. | |||
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" Do you know what really really fucking annoys me, this misconception that the UK is somehow going downhill. Financially maybe but not morally, I see things from a different angle, yesterday there was a Muslim woman and her son abused on a train and the guard stood his ground, the guys racist, and he phoned the btp and viola a successful outcome, no big political movement needed,society preempted it. What you really have to watch is the media coz they'll turn anything into a big thing to distract you from what's really going down and that is simply what's been going on for decades, the rich are stealing from everybody!. That's the statistical evidence you just can't skew" ...and fascism couldn't happen here. Not here. Good things happen and bad things happen everywhere all the time. The media seeks out sensational stories. It's not really a conspiracy. It's what people buy. Perhaps it is a distraction from the bigger reality but that's because a lot of problems are too big for people. They want an easy answer or they want to ignore it. Most people are perfectly nice, but most people don't want to get involved. As you have said, it doesn't take a lot to face a bully down but if the tone changes that's less likely to happen. | |||
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"Saudi Arabia is a truly vile society and, in the name of religious tolerance (and because we sell them a fortune in arms and don't want to undermine that trade), our idiot politicians allowed these people to export their disgusting wahhabism ideology to the UK. The generation that sacrificed so much saving this country from nazi fascism must be aghast and disgusted at our appeasement and enablement of islamic fascism." . I'm guessing I'm the only person on here that's ever lived in Saudi?.... Correct me if I'm wrong | |||
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" Ah yes. Saudi Arabia : they nation that still has the punishment of crucifixion reserved for crimes of treason. That nation that beheads and drives nails into the bones of its citizens is morally on par with my own. Just because. The tendency to portray ourselves as barbarians in contrast to the 'noble savage' is still strong. What an old story. " No. Not defending them at all. However, you are not displaying empathy, kindness or the the ability to distinguish between the behaviour of a government and the people who live under it with or without consent. That would be civilized. | |||
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"Don't get me wrong I criticise Saudi culture but I've actually lived there, it's not as bad as you imagine... Well obviously I'm not gay, or a woman or a transvestite or bi sexual, or any other sort of non conforming person.... So I found it rather ok" I imagine that there are people there who aren't at all bothered about any of those things but aren't able to voice that opinion. I don't actually know any Saudis. I wonder who on this thread does, other than you? | |||
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" Are you sure,they sound like man made laws, Under the guise of religion. Used to suppress the rights, and free will of women. "Man" is the word. Interpreted by men for the benefit of men. Christianity functioned on the same way for centuries. We're only just seeing female bishops and we're apparently enlightened. They are only getting over honour killings and making dhimies pay the Jizya. Should they be considered morally on par with our culture? No you're quite right, the West is far superior to all Middle Eastern cultures. "Not Superior just ahead time wise , some of these country's should be compared to ours 500 years ago ! | |||
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"Don't get me wrong I criticise Saudi culture but I've actually lived there, it's not as bad as you imagine... Well obviously I'm not gay, or a woman or a transvestite or bi sexual, or any other sort of non conforming person.... So I found it rather ok I imagine that there are people there who aren't at all bothered about any of those things but aren't able to voice that opinion. I don't actually know any Saudis. I wonder who on this thread does, other than you?" . Very nice people, religiously idocrinated in what they belive to be right but no different than you lot who belive in the EU or the other lot who don't..... Your all living off others | |||
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"If you've identified this problem of all Muslims everywhere having mediaeval attitudes, and when not terrorising their own people are all trying to blow us up or introduce Sharia law then what's the solution to this? Ban Islam, at least in non-Muslim countries? Sanctions? Imprisonment of all Muslims in the West? Enforced re-education? Invasion? Berating them in the street?" I wouldn't rule out your too suggestion ! Christianity is banned in some Muslim Country's so I don't see how those Country's could complain ! Yes I would consider Banning Islam in the U K !!! | |||
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" I wouldn't rule out your too suggestion ! Christianity is banned in some Muslim Country's so I don't see how those Country's could complain ! Yes I would consider Banning Islam in the U K !!!" How would you implement that? What would the consequences be? | |||
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" I wouldn't rule out your too suggestion ! Christianity is banned in some Muslim Country's so I don't see how those Country's could complain ! Yes I would consider Banning Islam in the U K !!! How would you implement that? What would the consequences be?" Not sure yet , you suggested it ! | |||
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" Yes I would consider Banning Islam in the U K !!! How would you implement that? What would the consequences be? Not sure yet , you suggested it ! " Cop out! No fun if you don't play the game. The last step is the hard one  | |||
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" Yes I would consider Banning Islam in the U K !!! How would you implement that? What would the consequences be? Not sure yet , you suggested it ! Cop out! No fun if you don't play the game. The last step is the hard one "Lol Fair play 
Ok il have think about it | |||
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" Yes I would consider Banning Islam in the U K !!! How would you implement that? What would the consequences be? Not sure yet , you suggested it ! Cop out! No fun if you don't play the game. The last step is the hard one
Lol
Fair play
Ok il have think about it "I know ?? Give Scotland it's independence and pay all muslims 100 k to go an live thier , then make Islam illegal | |||
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"If you've identified this problem of all Muslims everywhere having mediaeval attitudes, and when not terrorising their own people are all trying to blow us up or introduce Sharia law then what's the solution to this? Ban Islam, at least in non-Muslim countries? Sanctions? Imprisonment of all Muslims in the West? Enforced re-education? Invasion? Berating them in the street? I wouldn't rule out your too suggestion ! Christianity is banned in some Muslim Country's so I don't see how those Country's could complain ! Yes I would consider Banning Islam in the U K !!!" We tried banning religions that were not a particular sect of Christianity at one point, in some of our colonies. How did that work out for us, do you think? | |||
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" I accept you are genuine , but to be clear I'd happily have nowt to do with any bad country no matter how big ! We wouldn't starve
I'd rather the country was a bit poorer than have out to do with evil regimes and nut cases !
Am I a little Englander , well maybe
There was a time when the UK set the tone. We chose not to choose morality, we picked money.
Now we are in a position where taking a stand will not just make us a bit poorer. We rely on these countries to fund our huge budget deficit which is about to ramp up. These countries can afford to be nasty because they are wealthy.
Realpolitik.
Pants."How did the UK "set the tone", exactly? Is the UK's "tone" much different to the tone in question on the thread? From the nation that gave you the concentration camp and genocide..... | |||
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" I accept you are genuine , but to be clear I'd happily have nowt to do with any bad country no matter how big ! We wouldn't starve
I'd rather the country was a bit poorer than have out to do with evil regimes and nut cases !
Am I a little Englander , well maybe
There was a time when the UK set the tone. We chose not to choose morality, we picked money.
Now we are in a position where taking a stand will not just make us a bit poorer. We rely on these countries to fund our huge budget deficit which is about to ramp up. These countries can afford to be nasty because they are wealthy.
Realpolitik.
Pants.
How did the UK "set the tone", exactly?
Is the UK's "tone" much different to the tone in question on the thread?
From the nation that gave you the concentration camp and genocide....."Yes we did in the Boar War but we have changed and devolved ! | |||
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" How did the UK "set the tone", exactly? Is the UK's "tone" much different to the tone in question on the thread? From the nation that gave you the concentration camp and genocide....." We were a genuine superpower so we could have behaved morally and could have are. This the norm. We didn't and now nobody cares what we think. More so after Brexit. | |||
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" Yes I would consider Banning Islam in the U K !!! How would you implement that? What would the consequences be? Not sure yet , you suggested it ! Cop out! No fun if you don't play the game. The last step is the hard one
Lol
Fair play
Ok il have think about it
I know ?? Give Scotland it's independence and pay all muslims 100 k to go an live thier , then make Islam illegal "I would rather you give the Muslims independence, And payed all the Scots 100k.
Ps Andy,the most likely reason we became a genuine superpower
Is due to the fact,we didn't behave morally.
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" Yes I would consider Banning Islam in the U K !!! How would you implement that? What would the consequences be? Not sure yet , you suggested it ! Cop out! No fun if you don't play the game. The last step is the hard one
Lol
Fair play
Ok il have think about it
I know ?? Give Scotland it's independence and pay all muslims 100 k to go an live thier , then make Islam illegal
I would rather you give the Muslims independence,
And payed all the Scots 100k.
Ps Andy,the most likely reason we became a genuine superpower
Is due to the fact,we didn't behave morally.
"Hmm ? The Scots to come here and the Muslims to go to Scotland ? I'd have to think about that | |||
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" I know ?? Give Scotland it's independence and pay all muslims 100 k to go an live thier , then make Islam illegal "Being flippant aside, trying to ban a religion means identifying them, perhaps with a yellow star? Then you have to compel them to stop believing. If they refuse then you have to imprison them. People feel victimised and burn with a sense of injustice... Alternatively you require that everyone who lives here learns English and how our democratic and judicial process works. From the politics thread it would be useful if the British did the same. You teach people why equality is good. Catch up on the apparent time deficit. Then you put a time limit on bringing Imams or priests from any other religion from being imported from abroad i.e. "alien" cultures. You require that charitable status is combined with UK training. You treat everyone nicely and don't accuse them of wanting to kill everyone and treat them as enemies. No one can point to us and say that we treat them badly because of their faith or colour. We act like civilized people. A bit of love bombing goes much further than actual bombing. Happy? | |||
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" Yes I would consider Banning Islam in the U K !!! How would you implement that? What would the consequences be? Not sure yet , you suggested it ! Cop out! No fun if you don't play the game. The last step is the hard one
Lol
Fair play
Ok il have think about it
I know ?? Give Scotland it's independence and pay all muslims 100 k to go an live thier , then make Islam illegal
I would rather you give the Muslims independence,
And payed all the Scots 100k.
Ps Andy,the most likely reason we became a genuine superpower
Is due to the fact,we didn't behave morally.
Hmm ? The Scots to come here and the Muslims to go to Scotland ?
I'd have to think about that "Please!We would take our own money. | |||
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" Yes I would consider Banning Islam in the U K !!! How would you implement that? What would the consequences be? Not sure yet , you suggested it ! Cop out! No fun if you don't play the game. The last step is the hard one
Lol
Fair play
Ok il have think about it
I know ?? Give Scotland it's independence and pay all muslims 100 k to go an live thier , then make Islam illegal
I would rather you give the Muslims independence,
And payed all the Scots 100k.
Ps Andy,the most likely reason we became a genuine superpower
Is due to the fact,we didn't behave morally.
Hmm ? The Scots to come here and the Muslims to go to Scotland ?
I'd have to think about that
Please!We would take our own money.
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