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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

Among working people in this country, apparently due to the high cost of renting property.

Record immigration = rents rising =:poverty rising. Who'd have thought

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By *ercuryMan
over a year ago

Grantham

My son has two jobs. Guess what? They both pay the minimum wage. Bosses know that they can set the bar low, because there is a flow of migrant labour that will do the work at these rates.

There is no way that anyone, certainly in this town, could afford a house on that level of renumeration.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Among working people in this country, apparently due to the high cost of renting property.

Record immigration = rents rising =:poverty rising. Who'd have thought "
I'm guessing everything wrong with this country is the fault of migrants?...greed is what push up rent prices nothing else

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Among working people in this country, apparently due to the high cost of renting property.

Record immigration = rents rising =:poverty rising. Who'd have thought I'm guessing everything wrong with this country is the fault of migrants?...greed is what push up rent prices nothing else "

who's blaming migrants.

Greed? Get real. Its business not charitx

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By *ercuryMan
over a year ago

Grantham

Everyone needs somewhere to live.

Less mortgages means more rentals. It's all about supply and demand.

People are using savings and pension funds to snap up available premises as the returns are greater due to the small interest rates.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Among working people in this country, apparently due to the high cost of renting property.

Record immigration = rents rising =:poverty rising. Who'd have thought I'm guessing everything wrong with this country is the fault of migrants?...greed is what push up rent prices nothing else

who's blaming migrants.

Greed? Get real. Its business not charitx "

No control in rental prices. So it's a monopoly. Like in London house prices go up, the poor sell it and the area gets richer, but then they move somewhere poorer. Thus creating poorer areas in London. Brixton, Clapham and surrounding areas were shit holes decades ago. Now it's all posh.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"

Record immigration = rents rising =:poverty rising.

who's blaming migrants."

So was it a statement or question in the OP?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"

Record immigration = rents rising =:poverty rising.

who's blaming migrants.

So was it a statement or question in the OP? "

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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago

Cambridge


"

Record immigration = rents rising =:poverty rising.

who's blaming migrants.

So was it a statement or question in the OP? "

Sounds like their blaming immigrants...... Again

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"

Record immigration = rents rising =:poverty rising.

who's blaming migrants.

So was it a statement or question in the OP?

Sounds like their blaming immigrants...... Again"

ffs, its blaming the level of immigration not the immigrants. Thick or what

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"

Record immigration = rents rising =:poverty rising.

who's blaming migrants.

So was it a statement or question in the OP?

Sounds like their blaming immigrants...... Again

ffs, its blaming the level of immigration not the immigrants. Thick or what"
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"

Record immigration = rents rising =:poverty rising.

who's blaming migrants.

So was it a statement or question in the OP?

Sounds like their blaming immigrants...... Again

ffs, its blaming the level of immigration not the immigrants. Thick or what"

I get it. You're sounding like Corbyn.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It will be even more now with brexit.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Isn't there still social housing? Or is there not enough? Then why not build more? Oh they're selling social housing to private landowners.

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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago

Cambridge


"

Record immigration = rents rising =:poverty rising.

who's blaming migrants.

So was it a statement or question in the OP?

Sounds like their blaming immigrants...... Again

ffs, its blaming the level of immigration not the immigrants. Thick or what"

And immigration is not linked to immigrants?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"

Record immigration = rents rising =:poverty rising.

who's blaming migrants.

So was it a statement or question in the OP?

Sounds like their blaming immigrants...... Again

ffs, its blaming the level of immigration not the immigrants. Thick or what

And immigration is not linked to immigrants? "

It depends. The demand for housing can contribute to rising house pricing but we should consider the rate of children moving out. But I don't believe poverty is caused by that. Since many repossessions happened in the recession and the banks stop loaning 100% mortgages. So it was hard for new buyers to step in the ladder. If the house prices start to drop, people are reluctant to sell until it recovers. So again that increases the demand and prices. Brits can be blamed for this too.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Suicides increased during years Nicolas Cage released a movie. Luckily his acting career isn't as good lately. Saved so many Americans.

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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago

Cambridge


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It depends. The demand for housing can contribute to rising house pricing but we should consider the rate of children moving out. But I don't believe poverty is caused by that. Since many repossessions happened in the recession and the banks stop loaning 100% mortgages. So it was hard for new buyers to step in the ladder. If the house prices start to drop, people are reluctant to sell until it recovers. So again that increases the demand and prices. Brits can be blamed for this too."

But the question was are immigrants linked to immigration?

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By *at69driveMan
over a year ago

Hertford


"Among working people in this country, apparently due to the high cost of renting property.

Record immigration = rents rising =:poverty rising. Who'd have thought I'm guessing everything wrong with this country is the fault of migrants?...greed is what push up rent prices nothing else "
It is more a question of supply and demand. Like it or not immigration puts a strain on both local housing and public services.

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire


"Among working people in this country, apparently due to the high cost of renting property.

Record immigration = rents rising =:poverty rising. Who'd have thought "

Some greedy landlords taking advantage of the lack of social housing and knowing they have their tenants by the short and curlies..?

add in earnings being pressed by rising inflation, businesses paying salaries to some which means that those people are eligible for in work benefits..

indigenous people not wanting to, and being allowed to not have to do the jobs that some of the immigrants are currently doing..

and probably other factors but essentially its more complicated than just one factor..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It's called how to get out of debt by creating more debt, in a lot of places houses earn their owners more money per year than they earn.... This feeds the system.

Now to inflate it you need to control housing stocks and mortgages, who has control of those two things? High immigration helps, who controls that?, banking regulation needs to be changed, who controls that? .... When your flat out of money at the bank to lend you could always change pension regulations to allow people to squander their pension away on a buy to let, who controls that? When your bank's go tits up from your noses in the trough greed you can always bail them out with public money and say we need austerity...... Who the fuck belives this utter shit they come out with...... Oh yes, all the homeowners who've mortgaged they're houses every year for a new holiday.... Please God, don't let those house prices go down I'm an inch from negative equity and I just can't face my neighbours if I'm forced to holiday in Bournemouth.... I'll do anything, I'll vote for anybody, just please keep that exponential curve going... It's all we've got.

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Tada.... I've just wrote the political manifesto for nearly every western government...

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Oh wait a minute there starting to revolt.... Release the bird flu Smythers

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

Why are people in denial about immigration? Private housing, social housing, whatever, the demand as it is obviously puts up rental prices. You cannot build a city the size of Nottingham every year to accommodate everyone and to keep rents affordable. It obviously makes everyone apart from landlords and home owners less well off. And this includes the migrants who are coming here to work, every year that passes new migrants will be keeping less of the money they earn. Does anybody who supports uncontrolled immigration really think that things are sustainable as they are? Honestly?

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

not sure iv'e heard many people say they support uncontrolled immigration, could be wrong..

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"not sure iv'e heard many people say they support uncontrolled immigration, could be wrong..

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jeez, uncontrolled immigration from the EU then

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

Anybody would think I've just made this up myself . Check out the news

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire


"not sure iv'e heard many people say they support uncontrolled immigration, could be wrong..

jeez, uncontrolled immigration from the EU then "

chill, i wasn't being pedantic..

my own opinion is that yes if we need immigration to meet the needs of industry, public sector shortfalls then we do that..

firm believer that people contribute whomever they are, be they indigenous or recent arrivals..

all well and good in theory but successive governments for the past couple of decades have lost control of this aspect..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Why are people in denial about immigration? Private housing, social housing, whatever, the demand as it is obviously puts up rental prices. You cannot build a city the size of Nottingham every year to accommodate everyone and to keep rents affordable. It obviously makes everyone apart from landlords and home owners less well off. And this includes the migrants who are coming here to work, every year that passes new migrants will be keeping less of the money they earn. Does anybody who supports uncontrolled immigration really think that things are sustainable as they are? Honestly?"
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I don't, but then I don't support uncontrolled immigration from state to state, it's a disaster waiting to happen....

Although I happen to approve of an EU country with one border, one central bank, one currency, one tax policy.... Pipe dreams hey

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By *oncupiscentTonyMan
over a year ago

Kent


"Among working people in this country, apparently due to the high cost of renting property.

Record immigration = rents rising =:poverty rising. Who'd have thought "

So what's the reason for the high rents in Kensington Chelsea and Holland Park?

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By *iamondjoeMan
over a year ago

Glastonbury


"

Record immigration = rents rising =:poverty rising.

who's blaming migrants.

So was it a statement or question in the OP?

Sounds like their blaming immigrants...... Again

ffs, its blaming the level of immigration not the immigrants. Thick or what"

It's a badly worded, inflammatory (and misleading) question/statement, and by attacking people who seek clarity, I think you have adequately demonstrated the quality of your debate.

imo

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By *iamondjoeMan
over a year ago

Glastonbury


"Among working people in this country, apparently due to the high cost of renting property.

Record immigration = rents rising =:poverty rising. Who'd have thought

So what's the reason for the high rents in Kensington Chelsea and Holland Park?"

Rich immegrants, duh!

(but we like oligarchs, trickle down economics after they've not paid taxes or sommat)

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By *oncupiscentTonyMan
over a year ago

Kent

Funnily enough Canterbury is full of students and tourists but ruinously expensive while Margate is full of people put up in bedsits but dirt cheap.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"

Record immigration = rents rising =:poverty rising.

who's blaming migrants.

So was it a statement or question in the OP?

Sounds like their blaming immigrants...... Again

ffs, its blaming the level of immigration not the immigrants. Thick or what

It's a badly worded, inflammatory (and misleading) question/statement, and by attacking people who seek clarity, I think you have adequately demonstrated the quality of your debate.

imo

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people weren't seeking clarity though were they? They were seeking to attack and close down debate, which is usually the case when immigration is brought up. And I don't see what was misleading about the statement, seems fairly straight forward to me and as I said, it is not something I have made up, it is the findings made in a report, which frankly shouldn't come as a surprise to anyone. It is policy being questioned/criticised not people

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By *oncupiscentTonyMan
over a year ago

Kent

So how come the lack of an immigrant population has upped prices in Canterbury but not in Margate?

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"So how come the lack of an immigrant population has upped prices in Canterbury but not in Margate?"

I don't know individual areas but why have prices in the south east in general gone up and up? Surely it's to do with the numbers of people who want to live there? Immigrant or not. So when more and more people move to an area, in the case I speak of, the UK as a whole then property rental prices will rise due to supply and demand. This means that people pay out a higher and higher proportion of their wages on housing, making them poorer. The highest number of people living in poverty are in the south east by the way

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By *ercuryMan
over a year ago

Grantham

The latest migration figures show a net increase of 335000. That's 335000 more people that need to be housed.

I would love to be shown available housing that anyone on minimum wage or living wage could afford.

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By *entralscotscpl7Couple
over a year ago

Falkirk


"So how come the lack of an immigrant population has upped prices in Canterbury but not in Margate?"

The Howe Barracks where B used to be based had living quarters 150+ houses from 2-5 bedroom.

These have now been specifically leased from a private company to house the influx of immigrants coming in.

Originally the site was going to be an extension of accommodation for Canterbury University.

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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago

Cambridge

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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago

Cambridge

OP if you are attacking the policy, not the people, why did you chose to attack the government's immigration policy, rather than their housing policy?

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"OP if you are attacking the policy, not the people, why did you chose to attack the government's immigration policy, rather than their housing policy?"

what housing policy? And what housing policy would you suggest?

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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago

Cambridge


"OP if you are attacking the policy, not the people, why did you chose to attack the government's immigration policy, rather than their housing policy?

what housing policy? And what housing policy would you suggest?"

Why don't you see immigration as an opportunity? New customers, new tax payers etc?

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"OP if you are attacking the policy, not the people, why did you chose to attack the government's immigration policy, rather than their housing policy?

what housing policy? And what housing policy would you suggest?

Why don't you see immigration as an opportunity? New customers, new tax payers etc? "

fine, lets all halve our wages and bring in 10 million a year - more customers, more taxpayers. Sound good? But the point of the thread was where are they all going to live? Sure the government needs to build more social housing but how much more? How can you plan without an idea of numbers?

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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago

Cambridge


"OP if you are attacking the policy, not the people, why did you chose to attack the government's immigration policy, rather than their housing policy?

what housing policy? And what housing policy would you suggest?

Why don't you see immigration as an opportunity? New customers, new tax payers etc?

fine, lets all halve our wages and bring in 10 million a year - more customers, more taxpayers. Sound good? But the point of the thread was where are they all going to live? Sure the government needs to build more social housing but how much more? How can you plan without an idea of numbers?"

But immigrants don't get social housing, they don't meet the residency criteria.

Why would we have to half our wages?

Building new houses creates jobs for builders, plumbers, carpet salesmen, decorators, funiture suppliers etc. Building new houses is good for the economy, so is immigration.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"OP if you are attacking the policy, not the people, why did you chose to attack the government's immigration policy, rather than their housing policy?

what housing policy? And what housing policy would you suggest?

Why don't you see immigration as an opportunity? New customers, new tax payers etc?

fine, lets all halve our wages and bring in 10 million a year - more customers, more taxpayers. Sound good? But the point of the thread was where are they all going to live? Sure the government needs to build more social housing but how much more? How can you plan without an idea of numbers?

But immigrants don't get social housing, they don't meet the residency criteria.

Why would we have to half our wages?

Building new houses creates jobs for builders, plumbers, carpet salesmen, decorators, funiture suppliers etc. Building new houses is good for the economy, so is immigration."

And a lot of natives don't get social housing either which means there's more competition in the private sector.

Building houses is good for the economy if it is planned properly not good per se.

Google Ciudad Valdeluz as one example of why building too much can be bad for an economy and there are plenty of other examples

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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago

Cambridge


"OP if you are attacking the policy, not the people, why did you chose to attack the government's immigration policy, rather than their housing policy?

what housing policy? And what housing policy would you suggest?

Why don't you see immigration as an opportunity? New customers, new tax payers etc?

fine, lets all halve our wages and bring in 10 million a year - more customers, more taxpayers. Sound good? But the point of the thread was where are they all going to live? Sure the government needs to build more social housing but how much more? How can you plan without an idea of numbers?

But immigrants don't get social housing, they don't meet the residency criteria.

Why would we have to half our wages?

Building new houses creates jobs for builders, plumbers, carpet salesmen, decorators, funiture suppliers etc. Building new houses is good for the economy, so is immigration.

And a lot of natives don't get social housing either which means there's more competition in the private sector.

Building houses is good for the economy if it is planned properly not good per se.

Google Ciudad Valdeluz as one example of why building too much can be bad for an economy and there are plenty of other examples"

I think you'll agree that most things are better when they are planned properly.

Why do think that we can't plan?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"The latest migration figures show a net increase of 335000. That's 335000 more people that need to be housed.

I would love to be shown available housing that anyone on minimum wage or living wage could afford.

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How many die a year? 529,000 in 2015. Of course there are many births too but I won't give a house to a single baby.

We don't have the stats to support this. How many houses are vacant? How many need housing? Out of those we need to go deeper.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"OP if you are attacking the policy, not the people, why did you chose to attack the government's immigration policy, rather than their housing policy?

what housing policy? And what housing policy would you suggest?

Why don't you see immigration as an opportunity? New customers, new tax payers etc?

fine, lets all halve our wages and bring in 10 million a year - more customers, more taxpayers. Sound good? But the point of the thread was where are they all going to live? Sure the government needs to build more social housing but how much more? How can you plan without an idea of numbers?

But immigrants don't get social housing, they don't meet the residency criteria.

Why would we have to half our wages?

Building new houses creates jobs for builders, plumbers, carpet salesmen, decorators, funiture suppliers etc. Building new houses is good for the economy, so is immigration.

And a lot of natives don't get social housing either which means there's more competition in the private sector.

Building houses is good for the economy if it is planned properly not good per se.

Google Ciudad Valdeluz as one example of why building too much can be bad for an economy and there are plenty of other examples

I think you'll agree that most things are better when they are planned properly.

Why do think that we can't plan? "

we can to an extent but as things stand population growth is pretty unpredictable. Who knows how many migrants will arrive next year without a job and where will they live even if they only stay for months? Net migration plus births to foriegn parents has accounted for 85% of population growth since 2000. Now what happens if there is a sudden financial crash and immigration stops, people leave and the population falls? Do we end up with towns like Valdeluz and half the country living with negative equity?

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"The latest migration figures show a net increase of 335000. That's 335000 more people that need to be housed.

I would love to be shown available housing that anyone on minimum wage or living wage could afford.

How many die a year? 529,000 in 2015. Of course there are many births too but I won't give a house to a single baby.

We don't have the stats to support this. How many houses are vacant? How many need housing? Out of those we need to go deeper."

of course everyone who dies lives alone

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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago

Cambridge


"

I think you'll agree that most things are better when they are planned properly.

Why do think that we can't plan?

we can to an extent but as things stand population growth is pretty unpredictable. Who knows how many migrants will arrive next year without a job and where will they live even if they only stay for months? Net migration plus births to foriegn parents has accounted for 85% of population growth since 2000. Now what happens if there is a sudden financial crash and immigration stops, people leave and the population falls? Do we end up with towns like Valdeluz and half the country living with negative equity?"

What is your obsession with people coming without a job?

Even if we knew EXACTLY how many people were coming from today until say 2050, where would you build the houses? Maidenhead or Milton Keynes, Cardiff or Canterbury?

Its a complete fallacy to believe that knowing the number of immigrants would solve the problem.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"

I think you'll agree that most things are better when they are planned properly.

Why do think that we can't plan?

we can to an extent but as things stand population growth is pretty unpredictable. Who knows how many migrants will arrive next year without a job and where will they live even if they only stay for months? Net migration plus births to foriegn parents has accounted for 85% of population growth since 2000. Now what happens if there is a sudden financial crash and immigration stops, people leave and the population falls? Do we end up with towns like Valdeluz and half the country living with negative equity?

What is your obsession with people coming without a job?

Even if we knew EXACTLY how many people were coming from today until say 2050, where would you build the houses? Maidenhead or Milton Keynes, Cardiff or Canterbury?

Its a complete fallacy to believe that knowing the number of immigrants would solve the problem."

mainly because most people coming without a job are not particularly needed and help to depress wages. If you knew how many were coming you would have a good idea why and where so I would suggest you build houses there eh

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By *tillup4funMan
over a year ago

Wakefield

What do we do in 50 to a 100 years time when there is no land left build on? We seem to have gone off high rise flats maybe we should build some of those again and make the most of the land that is available.

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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago

Cambridge


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mainly because most people coming without a job are not particularly needed and help to depress wages. If you knew how many were coming you would have a good idea why and where so I would suggest you build houses there eh "

How do they depress wages? They spend money here, and receive nothing back from the state.

You wouldn't know where they were going though would you?

There is nothing to stop the entire population of Bath moving to Bradford is there? You try to stop free movement, where does it stop? Do you want us to have travel documents to move from one county to another to help your "planning"?

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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago

Cambridge


"What do we do in 50 to a 100 years time when there is no land left build on? We seem to have gone off high rise flats maybe we should build some of those again and make the most of the land that is available. "

3% of the UK is golf courses. We could get rid of them.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"What do we do in 50 to a 100 years time when there is no land left build on? We seem to have gone off high rise flats maybe we should build some of those again and make the most of the land that is available.

3% of the UK is golf courses. We could get rid of them. "

and then divert all the extra refuse and sewage to a big hole in Cambridge.

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By *tillup4funMan
over a year ago

Wakefield


"What do we do in 50 to a 100 years time when there is no land left build on? We seem to have gone off high rise flats maybe we should build some of those again and make the most of the land that is available.

3% of the UK is golf courses. We could get rid of them.

and then divert all the extra refuse and sewage to a big hole in Cambridge.

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Good idea.

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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago

Cambridge


"What do we do in 50 to a 100 years time when there is no land left build on? We seem to have gone off high rise flats maybe we should build some of those again and make the most of the land that is available.

3% of the UK is golf courses. We could get rid of them.

and then divert all the extra refuse and sewage to a big hole in Cambridge.

Good idea. "

Well of course, you guys want extra houses and infrastructure, just 'not in your back yard' right?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Nothing to do with the government who couldn't handle a ding dong in a belfry, let alone support 'hard working families'? Instead of finger-pointing outward, maybe look a little closer to home?

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"What do we do in 50 to a 100 years time when there is no land left build on? We seem to have gone off high rise flats maybe we should build some of those again and make the most of the land that is available.

3% of the UK is golf courses. We could get rid of them.

and then divert all the extra refuse and sewage to a big hole in Cambridge.

Good idea.

Well of course, you guys want extra houses and infrastructure, just 'not in your back yard' right?"

wrong.

but when you've built on these golf courses, where are the people going to work?

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Nothing to do with the government who couldn't handle a ding dong in a belfry, let alone support 'hard working families'? Instead of finger-pointing outward, maybe look a little closer to home? "

so hand out more and more benefits. Good plan

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Nothing to do with the government who couldn't handle a ding dong in a belfry, let alone support 'hard working families'? Instead of finger-pointing outward, maybe look a little closer to home?

so hand out more and more benefits. Good plan "

So, where exactly did I say that? A clue is, I didn't.

The contention proposed by yourself that it is all to do with immigration was being rubbished by my comment. The government has done nothing to bring down immigration.

I suspect you lack the intellect to see the dichotomy in your argument.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Nothing to do with the government who couldn't handle a ding dong in a belfry, let alone support 'hard working families'? Instead of finger-pointing outward, maybe look a little closer to home?

so hand out more and more benefits. Good plan

So, where exactly did I say that? A clue is, I didn't.

The contention proposed by yourself that it is all to do with immigration was being rubbished by my comment. The government has done nothing to bring down immigration.

I suspect you lack the intellect to see the dichotomy in your argument. "

you didn't really say anything then did you?

Where did I say the government had done anything to bring down immigration?

A clue is, I didn't.

And neither did I imply that poverty was solely down to immigration

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

rents go up because people need homes. same for food, heating, and all other necessities. people need this stuff so will pay for it, and usually they priorotise it.

they'll only go up to a point where it is more likely more people will pay them than to a point where more will become homeless and not be paying anything.

shortage of housing has been happening since well before ww2 but only after ww2 was there a social scheme to house people better. the slums were detroyed and rebuilt as tower blocks in high populated areas and as estates in lesser populated ones.

nobody is destroying anything so there is no need to rebuild or spend money in areas where it's needed.

violent revolution all the way....

fuck your racism also.

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By *at69driveMan
over a year ago

Hertford


"Nothing to do with the government who couldn't handle a ding dong in a belfry, let alone support 'hard working families'? Instead of finger-pointing outward, maybe look a little closer to home? "
The government have done more than most to create a sound exonomy in which to support hard working families . New car sales have risen by 50 % since 2009 and we have very low rates of unemployment .

The additional taxes collected as a result of low unemployment mean that we can support the NHS and education.

What more could we ask for.

Border controls as a result of Brexit means that we will be able to stop those who do not contibute via taxes coming here.

It seems to me tbat everyone is a winner as a reault or our strong econony . The best pwrforming one in the EU.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"

It seems to me tbat everyone is a winner as a reault or our strong econony . The best pwrforming one in the EU. "

The top two best performing economy in Europe are Switzerland and the Netherlands. One in the EU the other not. It doesn't matter if you are in or out of the EU. What matters is if you can execute. I'm not for or against brexit. I just don't believe we have the right government to execute it.

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By *anes HubbyCouple
over a year ago

Babbacombe Torquay


"Nothing to do with the government who couldn't handle a ding dong in a belfry, let alone support 'hard working families'? Instead of finger-pointing outward, maybe look a little closer to home? The government have done more than most to create a sound exonomy in which to support hard working families . New car sales have risen by 50 % since 2009 and we have very low rates of unemployment .

The additional taxes collected as a result of low unemployment mean that we can support the NHS and education.

What more could we ask for.

Border controls as a result of Brexit means that we will be able to stop those who do not contibute via taxes coming here.

It seems to me tbat everyone is a winner as a reault or our strong econony . The best pwrforming one in the EU. "

New car sales are up in the main because of record low interest rates since the banking crisis....and manufacturers and dealers cannot afford to have stock sitting around anymore, efficiency practices mean manufacturer and dealer stock levels have changed significantly in that same time frame.

There is also the significant change in income tax threshold to take into account, which together with record low interest rates have kickstarted retail all round, not only in car sales....simple economics.

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By *anes HubbyCouple
over a year ago

Babbacombe Torquay

And before you boast of Britain having the best performing economy in the EU it should be pointed out that you are using the growth formula and not Gross Domestic Product, which tells a different story.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"And before you boast of Britain having the best performing economy in the EU it should be pointed out that you are using the growth formula and not Gross Domestic Product, which tells a different story."

GDP per capita tells a different story which kind of confirms the original point

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Among working people in this country, apparently due to the high cost of renting property.

Record immigration = rents rising =:poverty rising. Who'd have thought "

We do have a shortage of housing.

The main reason for the rise in rents is however due to the government's changes to taxation on landlords. Increased stamp duty. No longer being able to deduct mortgage payments when calculating income tax. What did they think would happen?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Nothing to do with the government who couldn't handle a ding dong in a belfry, let alone support 'hard working families'? Instead of finger-pointing outward, maybe look a little closer to home?

so hand out more and more benefits. Good plan

So, where exactly did I say that? A clue is, I didn't.

The contention proposed by yourself that it is all to do with immigration was being rubbished by my comment. The government has done nothing to bring down immigration.

I suspect you lack the intellect to see the dichotomy in your argument.

you didn't really say anything then did you?

Where did I say the government had done anything to bring down immigration?

A clue is, I didn't.

And neither did I imply that poverty was solely down to immigration"

I was pointing at the blame for rises in poverty, lies at the door of the government. The same would be the case regardless of whomever is in power.

You've always an axe to grind, look at the root causes, don't just point fingers.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Nothing to do with the government who couldn't handle a ding dong in a belfry, let alone support 'hard working families'? Instead of finger-pointing outward, maybe look a little closer to home? The government have done more than most to create a sound exonomy in which to support hard working families . New car sales have risen by 50 % since 2009 and we have very low rates of unemployment .

The additional taxes collected as a result of low unemployment mean that we can support the NHS and education.

What more could we ask for.

Border controls as a result of Brexit means that we will be able to stop those who do not contibute via taxes coming here.

It seems to me tbat everyone is a winner as a reault or our strong econony . The best pwrforming one in the EU. "

OH God, Theresa May's official spokesperson speaks and a nation yawns...

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By *anes HubbyCouple
over a year ago

Babbacombe Torquay


"Among working people in this country, apparently due to the high cost of renting property.

Record immigration = rents rising =:poverty rising. Who'd have thought

We do have a shortage of housing.

The main reason for the rise in rents is however due to the government's changes to taxation on landlords. Increased stamp duty. No longer being able to deduct mortgage payments when calculating income tax. What did they think would happen?"

Landlords are also having to factor in extra costs for late and non payments of rent now that the government has switched from paying landlords direct to placing the responsibility to pay to the tenant themselves.....a ridiculous move.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Among working people in this country, apparently due to the high cost of renting property.

Record immigration = rents rising =:poverty rising. Who'd have thought

We do have a shortage of housing.

The main reason for the rise in rents is however due to the government's changes to taxation on landlords. Increased stamp duty. No longer being able to deduct mortgage payments when calculating income tax. What did they think would happen?

Landlords are also having to factor in extra costs for late and non payments of rent now that the government has switched from paying landlords direct to placing the responsibility to pay to the tenant themselves.....a ridiculous move."

Indeed. Put extra costs on those horrid landlords and you know what? Those horrid (and nice) landlords will pass those costs onto the tenants.

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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago

upton wirral


"It will be even more now with brexit."
what has brexit or remain got to do with this?

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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago

upton wirral

It is down to a housing shortage caused by all governments for the last 50 years the problem keeps getting worse

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"It is down to a housing shortage caused by all governments for the last 50 years the problem keeps getting worse"

I completely agree.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

you pepole are fools. they not immigrants they are called expat just like British living in Spain

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"you pepole are fools. they not immigrants they are called expat just like British living in Spain "

Fools, I tell ya. They're all fools.

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By *rishmocha2Couple
over a year ago

Beds


"Among working people in this country, apparently due to the high cost of renting property.

Record immigration = rents rising =:poverty rising. Who'd have thought I'm guessing everything wrong with this country is the fault of migrants?...greed is what push up rent prices nothing else "

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

immigration is used by the government as a smoke screen. Business and taxation push up prices and nothing else.

A friend of mine rents out a property via an agent. The agent asked him to up the rent recently and he refused. The agent told him that he was upsetting other landlords down his road by not maximising the potential. The only person that was going to benefit from the suggested rent rise was the agent.

Immigration is not the enemy. Greed is the problem.

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By *ercuryMan
over a year ago

Grantham

We had migration here 20 years ago, when people from the south moved up, attracted by cheap housing, faster travel links to London, grammar schools, countryside and a slower way of life.

Housing prices rocketed and the estate agents cashed in.

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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago

Cambridge


"We had migration here 20 years ago, when people from the south moved up, attracted by cheap housing, faster travel links to London, grammar schools, countryside and a slower way of life.

Housing prices rocketed and the estate agents cashed in. "

No no no, there can be no problems caused by brits moving around. It's foreigners who cause all our woes

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By *ay rickMan
over a year ago

cardiff

The whole system is a mess--I've had my business 19yrs and fact is the harder you work the more they want out of you financially-my personal view is if you have maybe a 2yr rental with no missed payments you should qualify for a mortgage as many times the rent is more than your mortgage plus the bank can take back if issues occur!!!-immigration is both good and bad I suppose and is hard on the heart at times but hey the country was fuxked along time ago-I agree that maybe we need to stop for a small while and get our house In order then we are able to help rather than keep on adding to a major housing n living issue....I think a lot of our cost of living issues are our own fault as we never stand together and say hey no more we ain't paying it-we just moan and carry on!!-truckers asked years ago for us to stand together on fuel prices but nooooo and now we're hammered again and again!!!-just play fair with others people be kind n be genuine fingers crossed that will lead to good times!! Wishing ya all a awesome Xmas-jay

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