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By *inkyHnS OP Couple
over a year ago

The Council of Elrond

How much of an embarrassment is the Tory government ?

So still no plan all we have had out of them is brexit means brexit

Now a Red White and Blue brexit lmao

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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago

Cambridge

Brexit means Brexit, what else do you need to know?

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By *illwill69uMan
over a year ago

moston

If there is no substance to your stance wrap yourself in the flag and preferably do it in a foreign country and surrounded by your military.

Next I expect we will see May in the turret of a tank or the cockpit of a fighter...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"How much of an embarrassment is the Tory government ?

So still no plan all we have had out of them is brexit means brexit

Now a Red White and Blue brexit lmao

The government has in fact been very clear on it's priorities. Whether they can achieve them, of course, depends on the priorities taken by the EU member states.

You have been told 100 times by the government why specific details will not be released during the negotiations (when Article 50 is finally invoked).

It makes perfect sense, yet we are still inundated by these "They have no plan" moans.

So what would you do if you were in charge?

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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago

Cambridge

"How much of an embarrassment is the Tory government ?

So still no plan all we have had out of them is brexit means brexit

Now a Red White and Blue brexit lmao

The government has in fact been very clear on it's priorities. Whether they can achieve them, of course, depends on the priorities taken by the EU member states.

You have been told 100 times by the government why specific details will not be released during the negotiations (when Article 50 is finally invoked).

It makes perfect sense, yet we are still inundated by these "They have no plan" moans.

So what would you do if you were in charge? "

Its not the tiny details they are asking for, its the broad brush strokes, the general thrust of what they are trying to achieve.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"How much of an embarrassment is the Tory government ?

So still no plan all we have had out of them is brexit means brexit

Now a Red White and Blue brexit lmao

The government has in fact been very clear on it's priorities. Whether they can achieve them, of course, depends on the priorities taken by the EU member states.

You have been told 100 times by the government why specific details will not be released during the negotiations (when Article 50 is finally invoked).

It makes perfect sense, yet we are still inundated by these "They have no plan" moans.

So what would you do if you were in charge?

Its not the tiny details they are asking for, its the broad brush strokes, the general thrust of what they are trying to achieve. "

leaving the EU with the best deal, end of

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By *oyce69Man
over a year ago

Driffield

"How much of an embarrassment is the Tory government ?

So still no plan all we have had out of them is brexit means brexit

Now a Red White and Blue brexit lmao

The government has in fact been very clear on it's priorities. Whether they can achieve them, of course, depends on the priorities taken by the EU member states.

You have been told 100 times by the government why specific details will not be released during the negotiations (when Article 50 is finally invoked).

It makes perfect sense, yet we are still inundated by these "They have no plan" moans.

So what would you do if you were in charge?

Its not the tiny details they are asking for, its the broad brush strokes, the general thrust of what they are trying to achieve.

leaving the EU with the best deal, end of"

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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago

Cambridge

Its not the tiny details they are asking for, its the broad brush strokes, the general thrust of what they are trying to achieve.

leaving the EU with the best deal, end of"

Would you agree that your definition of the "best deal" could differ significantly from mine?

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By *inkyHnS OP Couple
over a year ago

The Council of Elrond

Right so what happens if the Tories go into those talks with David Davis idea of paying to stay in the single market would leave voters not be going mental over that seen as i keep hearing leave voters say they voted to come out of the single market

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"How much of an embarrassment is the Tory government ?

So still no plan all we have had out of them is brexit means brexit

Now a Red White and Blue brexit lmao

The government has in fact been very clear on it's priorities. Whether they can achieve them, of course, depends on the priorities taken by the EU member states.

You have been told 100 times by the government why specific details will not be released during the negotiations (when Article 50 is finally invoked).

It makes perfect sense, yet we are still inundated by these "They have no plan" moans.

So what would you do if you were in charge?

Its not the tiny details they are asking for, its the broad brush strokes, the general thrust of what they are trying to achieve. "

Did you not hear Boris on the Sunday Politics Show? 4 priorities. The same ones espoused during the Brexit campaign.

Yes, they are broad objectives but they are objectives and there is no point setting out fine detail as that is down to negotiation and you know full well that is not how negotiations are conducted.

So, yes, the broad objectives are there. The details are not.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Its not the tiny details they are asking for, its the broad brush strokes, the general thrust of what they are trying to achieve.

leaving the EU with the best deal, end of

Would you agree that your definition of the "best deal" could differ significantly from mine? "

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By *ylonSlutTV/TS
over a year ago

Durham

Were those 4 objectives

Look at cake

Like cake

Have cake

Eat cake?

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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago

Cambridge

"How much of an embarrassment is the Tory government ?

So still no plan all we have had out of them is brexit means brexit

Now a Red White and Blue brexit lmao

The government has in fact been very clear on it's priorities. Whether they can achieve them, of course, depends on the priorities taken by the EU member states.

You have been told 100 times by the government why specific details will not be released during the negotiations (when Article 50 is finally invoked).

It makes perfect sense, yet we are still inundated by these "They have no plan" moans.

So what would you do if you were in charge?

Its not the tiny details they are asking for, its the broad brush strokes, the general thrust of what they are trying to achieve.

Did you not hear Boris on the Sunday Politics Show? 4 priorities. The same ones espoused during the Brexit campaign.

Yes, they are broad objectives but they are objectives and there is no point setting out fine detail as that is down to negotiation and you know full well that is not how negotiations are conducted.

So, yes, the broad objectives are there. The details are not."

No, I don't really understand the government's secrecy around this. When will they say what their position is? What will they say, for example, if asked on the first day, "do you want to remain in the single market?"

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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago

Cambridge

Its not the tiny details they are asking for, its the broad brush strokes, the general thrust of what they are trying to achieve.

leaving the EU with the best deal, end of

Would you agree that your definition of the "best deal" could differ significantly from mine?

no"

Well my definition of the best possible deal would be inside the SM & CU, free movement and the other 3 freedoms, contributing to the EU budget, accepting rules and regs etc.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Its not the tiny details they are asking for, its the broad brush strokes, the general thrust of what they are trying to achieve.

leaving the EU with the best deal, end of

Would you agree that your definition of the "best deal" could differ significantly from mine?

Well my definition of the best possible deal would be inside the SM & CU, free movement and the other 3 freedoms, contributing to the EU budget, accepting rules and regs etc. "

oh ye sorry, you want to remain.

the best deal would be no contributions, control on immigration and full free access to the single market. Now why would you want to enter negotiations asking for any less than that?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"How much of an embarrassment is the Tory government ?

So still no plan all we have had out of them is brexit means brexit

Now a Red White and Blue brexit lmao

The government has in fact been very clear on it's priorities. Whether they can achieve them, of course, depends on the priorities taken by the EU member states.

You have been told 100 times by the government why specific details will not be released during the negotiations (when Article 50 is finally invoked).

It makes perfect sense, yet we are still inundated by these "They have no plan" moans.

So what would you do if you were in charge?

Its not the tiny details they are asking for, its the broad brush strokes, the general thrust of what they are trying to achieve.

Did you not hear Boris on the Sunday Politics Show? 4 priorities. The same ones espoused during the Brexit campaign.

Yes, they are broad objectives but they are objectives and there is no point setting out fine detail as that is down to negotiation and you know full well that is not how negotiations are conducted.

So, yes, the broad objectives are there. The details are not.

The answer to that, I am sure, would be that we want tariff-free trade with the EU.

Do you really think it is a good idea beginning a major negotiation by laying all your cards on the table? What would you do if you were the lead negotiator?

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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago

Cambridge

Its not the tiny details they are asking for, its the broad brush strokes, the general thrust of what they are trying to achieve.

leaving the EU with the best deal, end of

Would you agree that your definition of the "best deal" could differ significantly from mine?

Well my definition of the best possible deal would be inside the SM & CU, free movement and the other 3 freedoms, contributing to the EU budget, accepting rules and regs etc.

oh ye sorry, you want to remain.

the best deal would be no contributions, control on immigration and full free access to the single market. Now why would you want to enter negotiations asking for any less than that?"

I thought you said that there weren't significant differences between what we would describe as the best deal? It looks like they are quite different to me. Could you not even bring yourself to agree with me that you and I disagree?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Its not the tiny details they are asking for, its the broad brush strokes, the general thrust of what they are trying to achieve.

leaving the EU with the best deal, end of

Would you agree that your definition of the "best deal" could differ significantly from mine?

Well my definition of the best possible deal would be inside the SM & CU, free movement and the other 3 freedoms, contributing to the EU budget, accepting rules and regs etc. "

Then you would not last long in your role as negotiator. You certainly would not last long as an MP.

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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago

Cambridge

Its not the tiny details they are asking for, its the broad brush strokes, the general thrust of what they are trying to achieve.

leaving the EU with the best deal, end of

Would you agree that your definition of the "best deal" could differ significantly from mine?

Well my definition of the best possible deal would be inside the SM & CU, free movement and the other 3 freedoms, contributing to the EU budget, accepting rules and regs etc.

Then you would not last long in your role as negotiator. You certainly would not last long as an MP."

And why is that?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Its not the tiny details they are asking for, its the broad brush strokes, the general thrust of what they are trying to achieve.

leaving the EU with the best deal, end of

Would you agree that your definition of the "best deal" could differ significantly from mine?

Well my definition of the best possible deal would be inside the SM & CU, free movement and the other 3 freedoms, contributing to the EU budget, accepting rules and regs etc.

oh ye sorry, you want to remain.

the best deal would be no contributions, control on immigration and full free access to the single market. Now why would you want to enter negotiations asking for any less than that?

I assumed that you would want the best deal for the Uk, silly me, sorry

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Its not the tiny details they are asking for, its the broad brush strokes, the general thrust of what they are trying to achieve.

leaving the EU with the best deal, end of

Would you agree that your definition of the "best deal" could differ significantly from mine?

Well my definition of the best possible deal would be inside the SM & CU, free movement and the other 3 freedoms, contributing to the EU budget, accepting rules and regs etc.

Then you would not last long in your role as negotiator. You certainly would not last long as an MP.

And why is that?"

If you can't guess, you might want to think about the result of the referendum. You know, that one that you wish to ignore.

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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago

North West

Its not the tiny details they are asking for, its the broad brush strokes, the general thrust of what they are trying to achieve.

leaving the EU with the best deal, end of

Would you agree that your definition of the "best deal" could differ significantly from mine?

Well my definition of the best possible deal would be inside the SM & CU, free movement and the other 3 freedoms, contributing to the EU budget, accepting rules and regs etc.

Then you would not last long in your role as negotiator. You certainly would not last long as an MP."

The various EU negotiators and other European Leaders are quite openly outlining the EU negotiating position - so they must be pretty stupid then???

I guess that in some circles being foreign means being wrong by default.

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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago

North West

If you can't guess, you might want to think about the result of the referendum. You know, that one that you wish to ignore."

The one that was an advisory referendum, won by a narrow majority and representing a number of mixed views of just 26% of the population and which was presented with a raft of lies and whose foundation appears to be of questionable legal standing?

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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago

Cambridge

Its not the tiny details they are asking for, its the broad brush strokes, the general thrust of what they are trying to achieve.

leaving the EU with the best deal, end of

Would you agree that your definition of the "best deal" could differ significantly from mine?

Well my definition of the best possible deal would be inside the SM & CU, free movement and the other 3 freedoms, contributing to the EU budget, accepting rules and regs etc.

Then you would not last long in your role as negotiator. You certainly would not last long as an MP.

And why is that?

If you can't guess, you might want to think about the result of the referendum. You know, that one that you wish to ignore."

The referendum was about leaving the EU. We would still be leaving the EU, but getting the closest relationship with them.

Until you know what the government is planning, how do you know their version of Brexit is closer to vision, or yours?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If you can't guess, you might want to think about the result of the referendum. You know, that one that you wish to ignore.

We have done this many times. You know the arguments.

The UK was asked and the UK voted.

You don't like the result but it was the result. Live with it.

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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago

Cambridge

*my vision

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Its not the tiny details they are asking for, its the broad brush strokes, the general thrust of what they are trying to achieve.

leaving the EU with the best deal, end of

Would you agree that your definition of the "best deal" could differ significantly from mine?

Well my definition of the best possible deal would be inside the SM & CU, free movement and the other 3 freedoms, contributing to the EU budget, accepting rules and regs etc.

Then you would not last long in your role as negotiator. You certainly would not last long as an MP.

And why is that?

If you can't guess, you might want to think about the result of the referendum. You know, that one that you wish to ignore.

The referendum was about leaving the EU. We would still be leaving the EU, but getting the closest relationship with them.

Until you know what the government is planning, how do you know their version of Brexit is closer to vision, or yours?"

I know it will be closer to my vision than yours. And, as said previously (which you are doing your best to fervently ignore), we do know what the general aims are.

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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago

Cambridge

If the government come out and said "we realise the EU wont budge on free movement of people, so we are just going to have to accept it and live with it." who would be more pissed off, Leavers or Remainers?

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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago

Cambridge

I know it will be closer to my vision than yours. And, as said previously (which you are doing your best to fervently ignore), we do know what the general aims are."

What are they then?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"If the government come out and said "we realise the EU wont budge on free movement of people, so we are just going to have to accept it and live with it." who would be more pissed off, Leavers or Remainers? "

I personally would not be pissed off. It is down to negotiation.

The strange thing about the Remainers' argument is that the Brexiters apparently voted for an unknown.

The Remainers, however, clearly voted for a known. Really? Do you think remaining in the EU was a known destination? Where do you think it is headed?

I hear the same complaint against Brexiters - "So you think you voted for a Eutopia?"

No, I didn't. Do you think you did? Where do you think this Eutopian vision of a United Europe is headed? Italy doesn't seem to like it's destination at the moment.

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock

I personally would not be pissed off. It is down to negotiation.

The strange thing about the Remainers' argument is that the Brexiters apparently voted for an unknown.

The Remainers, however, clearly voted for a known. Really? Do you think remaining in the EU was a known destination? Where do you think it is headed?

I hear the same complaint against Brexiters - "So you think you voted for a Eutopia?"

No, I didn't. Do you think you did? Where do you think this Eutopian vision of a United Europe is headed? Italy doesn't seem to like it's destination at the moment."

I've still not heard any Remainers outline their plan for reform in the EU or what reforms they would like to see as the Remain campaign said "Remain and let's stay in a reformed EU" (what ever that means, who knows?)

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I personally would not be pissed off. It is down to negotiation.

The strange thing about the Remainers' argument is that the Brexiters apparently voted for an unknown.

The Remainers, however, clearly voted for a known. Really? Do you think remaining in the EU was a known destination? Where do you think it is headed?

I hear the same complaint against Brexiters - "So you think you voted for a Eutopia?"

No, I didn't. Do you think you did? Where do you think this Eutopian vision of a United Europe is headed? Italy doesn't seem to like it's destination at the moment.

Yup. Why complain the Brexiters voted for an unknown. There were far more limits than the Remainers ever suggested. Or did the Remainers not have any? Were they dedicated to a wonderful Eutopian existence?

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock

I know it will be closer to my vision than yours. And, as said previously (which you are doing your best to fervently ignore), we do know what the general aims are.

What are they then? "

They were clearly outlined by the Vote Leave campaign, 4 of the main points were....

1. Take back control of our borders and control immigration from the EU, (this means stopping the free movement of people from the EU and the only way to do this is to Leave the single market, which leading figures of both the Leave campaign and Remain campaign made clear).

2. Take back control of the money we send to the EU in EU budget contributions (in effect stop sending UK tax payers money to the EU and the UK government decides how to spend that money here in the UK).

3. Take back control of our laws. (Which means we withdraw from the European Court of Justice jurisdiction so that EU law is not supreme over UK law).

4. Make our own trade deals around the world with who we like (to do this we must leave the EU customs union so we can make trade deals of our own on a 1 to 1 country basis).

This is what people voted for and Vote Leave won the referendum on these main points, so as the winning side gets the Lions share of the cake these points should take priority in the upcoming negotiations.

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By *ngel n tedCouple
over a year ago

maidstone

I think it's a good idea to tell everyone what we want, many moons before we actually go and ask for it, that way the eu has a chance to come up multiple ways to tell us to fik off you aint getting merde

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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago

Cambridge

I know it will be closer to my vision than yours. And, as said previously (which you are doing your best to fervently ignore), we do know what the general aims are.

What are they then?

They were clearly outlined by the Vote Leave campaign, 4 of the main points were....

3. Take back control of our laws. (Which means we withdraw from the European Court of Justice jurisdiction so that EU law is not supreme over UK law).

4. Make our own trade deals around the world with who we like (to do this we must leave the EU customs union so we can make trade deals of our own on a 1 to 1 country basis).

So the government could very easily come out and say, "we're not interested in being in the Single Market anymore"

How would that hurt the government or the deal it will get? Why cant they just come out and say that?

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By *obka3Couple
over a year ago

bournemouth

I know it will be closer to my vision than yours. And, as said previously (which you are doing your best to fervently ignore), we do know what the general aims are.

What are they then?

They were clearly outlined by the Vote Leave campaign, 4 of the main points were....

3. Take back control of our laws. (Which means we withdraw from the European Court of Justice jurisdiction so that EU law is not supreme over UK law).

4. Make our own trade deals around the world with who we like (to do this we must leave the EU customs union so we can make trade deals of our own on a 1 to 1 country basis).

So the government could very easily come out and say, "we're not interested in being in the Single Market anymore"

How would that hurt the government or the deal it will get? Why cant they just come out and say that?"

Because then the EU can use the free movement card against another thing on out wish list,you really dont get the negotiation thing do you

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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago

Cambridge

I know it will be closer to my vision than yours. And, as said previously (which you are doing your best to fervently ignore), we do know what the general aims are.

What are they then?

They were clearly outlined by the Vote Leave campaign, 4 of the main points were....

3. Take back control of our laws. (Which means we withdraw from the European Court of Justice jurisdiction so that EU law is not supreme over UK law).

4. Make our own trade deals around the world with who we like (to do this we must leave the EU customs union so we can make trade deals of our own on a 1 to 1 country basis).

So the government could very easily come out and say, "we're not interested in being in the Single Market anymore"

How would that hurt the government or the deal it will get? Why cant they just come out and say that?

Because then the EU can use the free movement card against another thing on out wish list,you really dont get the negotiation thing do you "

What is on our wish list?

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By *hetalkingstoveMan
over a year ago

London

I know it will be closer to my vision than yours. And, as said previously (which you are doing your best to fervently ignore), we do know what the general aims are.

What are they then?

They were clearly outlined by the Vote Leave campaign, 4 of the main points were....

3. Take back control of our laws. (Which means we withdraw from the European Court of Justice jurisdiction so that EU law is not supreme over UK law).

4. Make our own trade deals around the world with who we like (to do this we must leave the EU customs union so we can make trade deals of our own on a 1 to 1 country basis).

So the government could very easily come out and say, "we're not interested in being in the Single Market anymore"

How would that hurt the government or the deal it will get? Why cant they just come out and say that?

Because then the EU can use the free movement card against another thing on out wish list,you really dont get the negotiation thing do you "

I'm not sure you do. We have to tell the EU our position at some point. How is waiting going to change anything? Are we somehow going to spring everything on them at once and bamboozle them into an amazing deal?!

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By *anes HubbyCouple
over a year ago

Babbacombe Torquay

We don't have a position....that's the problem

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By *obka3Couple
over a year ago

bournemouth

What is on our wish list? "

I dont know what the government has as its red lines,but my wish list would be control over free movement, free access to the single market,no contribution for said trade, allowing eu citizens here now to stay and uk ones to stay in the EU, free movement of capital,plus agreements on research projects, reciprocal health arrangements etc.

Now we know that the eu is saying no compromise on movement and trade, they dont want to give in on that because the flood gates will open on others wanting to quit, somewhere along the line an agreement will be forged and as usual with the EU it will be a fudge.

Perhaps that will be a set amount of numbers that can move and a payment into the free market pot in exchange for no tariffs and we then get research funds etc.The big sticking points will be the political cost of the numbers of free movements and the cost of trade access, lots of horse trading so both sides can claim to have got the best of it. The alternative is we just leave and tariffs are set at WTO levels, in the long run I believe we would lose less than the rst of the EU if that happened

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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago

Cambridge

What is on our wish list?

They have told us clearly and repeatedly, that we can't have that.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"We don't have a position....that's the problem"

We do. If you don't understand it ...

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By *at69driveMan
over a year ago

Hertford

Its not the tiny details they are asking for, its the broad brush strokes, the general thrust of what they are trying to achieve.

leaving the EU with the best deal, end of

Would you agree that your definition of the "best deal" could differ significantly from mine?

Well my definition of the best possible deal would be inside the SM & CU, free movement and the other 3 freedoms, contributing to the EU budget, accepting rules and regs etc.

oh ye sorry, you want to remain.

the best deal would be no contributions, control on immigration and full free access to the single market. Now why would you want to enter negotiations asking for any less than that?"
Well said. We just need to fight a hard battle to achieve it . I am confident we will achieve that . Why should we subsidise other countries . ?.

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By *anes HubbyCouple
over a year ago

Babbacombe Torquay

"We don't have a position....that's the problem

We do. If you don't understand it ..."

Then enlighten us.....because the government has failed to do so

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By *oyce69Man
over a year ago

Driffield

What is on our wish list?

They have told us clearly and repeatedly, that we can't have that. "

But that's what people do in negotiations, they tell you what they want and you tell them what you want, and both sides have to give a bit so the end result satisfies both sides.

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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago

Cambridge

Its not the tiny details they are asking for, its the broad brush strokes, the general thrust of what they are trying to achieve.

leaving the EU with the best deal, end of

Would you agree that your definition of the "best deal" could differ significantly from mine?

Well my definition of the best possible deal would be inside the SM & CU, free movement and the other 3 freedoms, contributing to the EU budget, accepting rules and regs etc.

oh ye sorry, you want to remain.

the best deal would be no contributions, control on immigration and full free access to the single market. Now why would you want to enter negotiations asking for any less than that? Well said. We just need to fight a hard battle to achieve it . I am confident we will achieve that . Why should we subsidise other countries . ?. "

You mean like we already have between the 4 nations of the UK?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"We don't have a position....that's the problem

We do. If you don't understand it ...

Then enlighten us.....because the government has failed to do so"

Erm, read the news if you wish to be enlightened. It is not difficult.

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By *at69driveMan
over a year ago

Hertford

What is on our wish list?

They have told us clearly and repeatedly, that we can't have that. "
We will make them change their minds when the going gets tough .

The EU cannot afford to lose our contributions and expertise . We hold the Trump cards .

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By *anes HubbyCouple
over a year ago

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What is on our wish list?

They have told us clearly and repeatedly, that we can't have that.

But that's what people do in negotiations, they tell you what they want and you tell them what you want, and both sides have to give a bit so the end result satisfies both sides."

And we all lived happily ever after.....

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over a year ago

Babbacombe Torquay

"We don't have a position....that's the problem

We do. If you don't understand it ...

Then enlighten us.....because the government has failed to do so

Erm, read the news if you wish to be enlightened. It is not difficult."

No YOU tell us, because the government haven't told the rest of the country, but if they have told you then enlighten us.....

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By *at69driveMan
over a year ago

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Its not the tiny details they are asking for, its the broad brush strokes, the general thrust of what they are trying to achieve.

leaving the EU with the best deal, end of

Would you agree that your definition of the "best deal" could differ significantly from mine?

Well my definition of the best possible deal would be inside the SM & CU, free movement and the other 3 freedoms, contributing to the EU budget, accepting rules and regs etc.

oh ye sorry, you want to remain.

the best deal would be no contributions, control on immigration and full free access to the single market. Now why would you want to enter negotiations asking for any less than that? Well said. We just need to fight a hard battle to achieve it . I am confident we will achieve that . Why should we subsidise other countries . ?.

You mean like we already have between the 4 nations of the UK? "
I mean all the other countries who are net beneficiaries of the EU. Either kick them out or make them pay their pay.

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By *obka3Couple
over a year ago

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What is on our wish list?

They have told us clearly and repeatedly, that we can't have that. "

What do you really expect them to say at this stage? The IRA said they would only ever accept an united Ireland, the ussr said they were going to put missiles on cuba, did either happen ? Have you ever had to negotiate with anyone ? If so did you go in and give in before you started ? Personally I dont think we will end up with totally free trade and no free movement as it would signal the end of the EU overnight,if they play hard ball as they did with cameron then it will the eu that loses out long term IMO and they know the trade figures show them that, the only reason for the EU to play silly buggers is pig headedness and the desire to make us "suffer" as with the cameron non deal it will backfire on them if they try it

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over a year ago

Babbacombe Torquay

Its not the tiny details they are asking for, its the broad brush strokes, the general thrust of what they are trying to achieve.

leaving the EU with the best deal, end of

Would you agree that your definition of the "best deal" could differ significantly from mine?

Well my definition of the best possible deal would be inside the SM & CU, free movement and the other 3 freedoms, contributing to the EU budget, accepting rules and regs etc.

oh ye sorry, you want to remain.

the best deal would be no contributions, control on immigration and full free access to the single market. Now why would you want to enter negotiations asking for any less than that? Well said. We just need to fight a hard battle to achieve it . I am confident we will achieve that . Why should we subsidise other countries . ?.

You mean like we already have between the 4 nations of the UK? I mean all the other countries who are net beneficiaries of the EU. Either kick them out or make them pay their pay. "

Each EU country's payment is divided into three parts, a fixed percentage of gross national income , customs duties collected on behalf of the EU and a percentage of VAT income.

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over a year ago

"We don't have a position....that's the problem

We do. If you don't understand it ...

Then enlighten us.....because the government has failed to do so

Erm, read the news if you wish to be enlightened. It is not difficult.

No YOU tell us, because the government haven't told the rest of the country, but if they have told you then enlighten us....."

Try reading the news. Our starting point is as clear as it could be.

Once more, where would you start?

Great to criticise. But where would you begin? Would you start by showing your finishing cards?

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over a year ago

Babbacombe Torquay

"We don't have a position....that's the problem

We do. If you don't understand it ...

Then enlighten us.....because the government has failed to do so

Erm, read the news if you wish to be enlightened. It is not difficult.

No YOU tell us, because the government haven't told the rest of the country, but if they have told you then enlighten us.....

Try reading the news. Our starting point is as clear as it could be.

Once more, where would you start?

Great to criticise. But where would you begin? Would you start by showing your finishing cards?"

I want to hear the official starting point of the government, that's the OFFICIAL point, not the Boris version, or the Davies version, or the Duncan-Smith version....

Because they change from day to day and none actually match the others...

And certainly not the media version as none of the papers agree with each other.....

So come back to me when the Government, through Theresa May, tells us the plan....and getting the best deal for Britain means diddly shit if its all pie in the sky bollocks.

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over a year ago

Babbacombe Torquay

"We don't have a position....that's the problem

We do. If you don't understand it ...

Then enlighten us.....because the government has failed to do so

Erm, read the news if you wish to be enlightened. It is not difficult.

No YOU tell us, because the government haven't told the rest of the country, but if they have told you then enlighten us.....

Try reading the news. Our starting point is as clear as it could be.

Once more, where would you start?

Great to criticise. But where would you begin? Would you start by showing your finishing cards?"

It's not for the man in the street to decide, that's why we elect these clowns, they want the power that they beg for in general elections....let them repay us for our votes by telling us.

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over a year ago

This mock concern about seeing a plan is quite amusing really. People don't want to see a plan they just want to see the government fail.

The government will get the best deal it can for the country while getting as close as it can to the wishes of the majority of the voters and what they voted for. What more do people expect?

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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago

Cambridge

Oh well, the PM has just agreed to publish the plans anyway!

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over a year ago

Babbacombe Torquay

"This mock concern about seeing a plan is quite amusing really. People don't want to see a plan they just want to see the government fail.

The government will get the best deal it can for the country while getting as close as it can to the wishes of the majority of the voters and what they voted for. What more do people expect?"

We expect them to safeguard the economy of the country.....that means that Brexit must not cost us more money than the £7.3 Bil Net it currently costs us per annum to be a member.

Because anything near the various predictions will drag the economy of the UK into freefall for more years than we can cope with, that's what I and many others expect.....financial stability for business.

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over a year ago

Babbacombe Torquay

"Oh well, the PM has just agreed to publish the plans anyway!

Is she digging up Enid Blyton to pen them for her?

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By *obka3Couple
over a year ago

bournemouth

"Oh well, the PM has just agreed to publish the plans anyway!

She has agreed to publish plans but are they THE plans,just as the EU has told us their "plans".

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over a year ago

I know it will be closer to my vision than yours. And, as said previously (which you are doing your best to fervently ignore), we do know what the general aims are.

What are they then?

They were clearly outlined by the Vote Leave campaign, 4 of the main points were....

3. Take back control of our laws. (Which means we withdraw from the European Court of Justice jurisdiction so that EU law is not supreme over UK law).

4. Make our own trade deals around the world with who we like (to do this we must leave the EU customs union so we can make trade deals of our own on a 1 to 1 country basis).

Has May said she will do all 4? This is a negotiation by the way. By default you have to compromise. What if to get a great trade deal you have to allow a greater number of immigrants from that country? If you get less than what you wanted would you agree?

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over a year ago

"This mock concern about seeing a plan is quite amusing really. People don't want to see a plan they just want to see the government fail.

The government will get the best deal it can for the country while getting as close as it can to the wishes of the majority of the voters and what they voted for. What more do people expect?

We expect them to safeguard the economy of the country.....that means that Brexit must not cost us more money than the £7.3 Bil Net it currently costs us per annum to be a member.

But you or no one else has a clue what the economy will be like. Predictions? Ye some use they are.

So you see the plan and don't like it. Then what?

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By *anes HubbyCouple
over a year ago

Babbacombe Torquay

Businesses have been lobbying David Davies over the last month to demand continued access to migrant workers....that s going to upset a fair few who voted Leave.

But it's the only sensible option if small businesses in the UK are to continue to grow.

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over a year ago

Babbacombe Torquay

"This mock concern about seeing a plan is quite amusing really. People don't want to see a plan they just want to see the government fail.

The government will get the best deal it can for the country while getting as close as it can to the wishes of the majority of the voters and what they voted for. What more do people expect?

We expect them to safeguard the economy of the country.....that means that Brexit must not cost us more money than the £7.3 Bil Net it currently costs us per annum to be a member.

But you or no one else has a clue what the economy will be like. Predictions? Ye some use they are.

So you see the plan and don't like it. Then what?"

The British economy and British business has always relied on expert predictions....that's a fact.

That is EXACTLY how businesses plan ahead, through expert predictions.

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over a year ago

"Businesses have been lobbying David Davies over the last month to demand continued access to migrant workers....that s going to upset a fair few who voted Leave.

But it's the only sensible option if small businesses in the UK are to continue to grow."

or you could pay a bit more

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over a year ago

"This mock concern about seeing a plan is quite amusing really. People don't want to see a plan they just want to see the government fail.

The government will get the best deal it can for the country while getting as close as it can to the wishes of the majority of the voters and what they voted for. What more do people expect?

We expect them to safeguard the economy of the country.....that means that Brexit must not cost us more money than the £7.3 Bil Net it currently costs us per annum to be a member.

But you or no one else has a clue what the economy will be like. Predictions? Ye some use they are.

So you see the plan and don't like it. Then what?

The British economy and British business has always relied on expert predictions....that's a fact.

That is EXACTLY how businesses plan ahead, through expert predictions."

then why did the banks crash?

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over a year ago

Babbacombe Torquay

"This mock concern about seeing a plan is quite amusing really. People don't want to see a plan they just want to see the government fail.

The government will get the best deal it can for the country while getting as close as it can to the wishes of the majority of the voters and what they voted for. What more do people expect?

We expect them to safeguard the economy of the country.....that means that Brexit must not cost us more money than the £7.3 Bil Net it currently costs us per annum to be a member.

But you or no one else has a clue what the economy will be like. Predictions? Ye some use they are.

So you see the plan and don't like it. Then what?

The British economy and British business has always relied on expert predictions....that's a fact.

That is EXACTLY how businesses plan ahead, through expert predictions.

then why did the banks crash?"

In the main because of the sub prime mortgage crisis....over confidence in property developments that were largely based on holiday homes and second homes abroad.

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over a year ago

Babbacombe Torquay

"Businesses have been lobbying David Davies over the last month to demand continued access to migrant workers....that s going to upset a fair few who voted Leave.

But it's the only sensible option if small businesses in the UK are to continue to grow.

or you could pay a bit more"

Pay what a bit more?

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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago

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"Businesses have been lobbying David Davies over the last month to demand continued access to migrant workers....that s going to upset a fair few who voted Leave.

But it's the only sensible option if small businesses in the UK are to continue to grow."

Exactly, it's not going to upset any Remainers, its the Leavers that May is tying to hold together by keeping them in the dark.

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"This mock concern about seeing a plan is quite amusing really. People don't want to see a plan they just want to see the government fail.

The government will get the best deal it can for the country while getting as close as it can to the wishes of the majority of the voters and what they voted for. What more do people expect?

We expect them to safeguard the economy of the country.....that means that Brexit must not cost us more money than the £7.3 Bil Net it currently costs us per annum to be a member.

But you or no one else has a clue what the economy will be like. Predictions? Ye some use they are.

So you see the plan and don't like it. Then what?

The British economy and British business has always relied on expert predictions....that's a fact.

That is EXACTLY how businesses plan ahead, through expert predictions.

then why did the banks crash?

In the main because of the sub prime mortgage crisis....over confidence in property developments that were largely based on holiday homes and second homes abroad."

don't banks employ experts?

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By *obka3Couple
over a year ago

bournemouth

The British economy and British business has always relied on expert predictions....that's a fact.

That is EXACTLY how businesses plan ahead, through expert predictions."

Are they ever right ? Did any of these experts predict the crash in 08 ? Why not ? Was it because they were all caught up making a fast buck and had their snouts in the trough so didnt look up and see the danger signs or didnt care as they were making money and didnt care if it went pear shaped

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over a year ago

Babbacombe Torquay

"This mock concern about seeing a plan is quite amusing really. People don't want to see a plan they just want to see the government fail.

The government will get the best deal it can for the country while getting as close as it can to the wishes of the majority of the voters and what they voted for. What more do people expect?

We expect them to safeguard the economy of the country.....that means that Brexit must not cost us more money than the £7.3 Bil Net it currently costs us per annum to be a member.

But you or no one else has a clue what the economy will be like. Predictions? Ye some use they are.

So you see the plan and don't like it. Then what?

The British economy and British business has always relied on expert predictions....that's a fact.

That is EXACTLY how businesses plan ahead, through expert predictions.

then why did the banks crash?

In the main because of the sub prime mortgage crisis....over confidence in property developments that were largely based on holiday homes and second homes abroad.

don't banks employ experts?"

UK banks turned their backs on small and medium British businesses in the couple of years leading up to the crash and instead followed the worldwide trend of investing into residential and overseas leisure projects, all based on the hollow promises of better returns on loans......the banks got greedy.

Even though small and medium British businesses were experiencing record growth in that same period, expansion loans were incredibly hard to obtain.

The banks dug their own graves.....and we all paid for it, and indeed are still paying for it.

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By *anes HubbyCouple
over a year ago

Babbacombe Torquay

The British economy and British business has always relied on expert predictions....that's a fact.

That is EXACTLY how businesses plan ahead, through expert predictions.

You are a business man.....you go to the bank for any kind of business loan you are required to submit a business plan....a plan that's almost entirely based on predictions.

And yes....the British banks got uber greedy, small and medium British businesses were neglected in favour of villas in Spain and Florida, amongst other ridiculous plans.

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock

"Businesses have been lobbying David Davies over the last month to demand continued access to migrant workers....that s going to upset a fair few who voted Leave.

But it's the only sensible option if small businesses in the UK are to continue to grow.

or you could pay a bit more

Pay what a bit more?"

Pay higher wages then UK workers may be more inclined to do those jobs. As it is big companies have seen executive pay sky rocket, CEO's on multiple millions of pounds per year salary while those on the bottom rungs get minimum wage, and unscrupulous employers target migrants to exploit and pay below the minimum wage.

Rather than rely on migrant labour or look for migrants to exploit it's about time businesses did their fair share in training up the domestic UK unemployed of which there is an abundance of, to fill the skills gap shortages.

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By *anes HubbyCouple
over a year ago

Babbacombe Torquay

We have just announced to our small workforce that as from January 2nd we will be paying £9.25 an hour, enhanced with overtime.....not bad for a relatively unskilled workforce and significantly above the average for Devon.

I rely on a certain amount of migrant labour because to be perfectly frank they can be bothered to turn up for interviews, and when employed rarely let me down and rarely go sick.

I only wish we could jumpstart many of our idle amongst the unemployed.....they have become far too comfortable

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By *obka3Couple
over a year ago

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"We have just announced to our small workforce that as from January 2nd we will be paying £9.25 an hour, enhanced with overtime.....not bad for a relatively unskilled workforce and significantly above the average for Devon.

I rely on a certain amount of migrant labour because to be perfectly frank they can be bothered to turn up for interviews, and when employed rarely let me down and rarely go sick.

I only wish we could jumpstart many of our idle amongst the unemployed.....they have become far too comfortable"

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By *obka3Couple
over a year ago

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"Businesses have been lobbying David Davies over the last month to demand continued access to migrant workers....that s going to upset a fair few who voted Leave.

But it's the only sensible option if small businesses in the UK are to continue to grow.

or you could pay a bit more

Pay what a bit more?

Saw on the news today that uk textile businesses are seeing a large increase in business but cant find trained staff,perhaps they should train their own

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over a year ago

Babbacombe Torquay

"Businesses have been lobbying David Davies over the last month to demand continued access to migrant workers....that s going to upset a fair few who voted Leave.

But it's the only sensible option if small businesses in the UK are to continue to grow.

or you could pay a bit more

Pay what a bit more?

Saw on the news today that uk textile businesses are seeing a large increase in business but cant find trained staff,perhaps they should train their own "

The CBI have been lobbying government since 2010 for tax breaks for increased workplace training programmes, in Germany employers are afforded full on grants for in work training.

We have lost our way.....

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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago

Cambridge

Saw on the news today that uk textile businesses are seeing a large increase in business but cant find trained staff,perhaps they should train their own "

I know, I applied for a job as a gynecologist the other day, but they wouldn't even give me an interview just because I'm not trained

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By *obka3Couple
over a year ago

bournemouth

The CBI have been lobbying government since 2010 for tax breaks for increased workplace training programmes, in Germany employers are afforded full on grants for in work training.

We have lost our way....."

Only office jobs seem to be valued these days

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"Businesses have been lobbying David Davies over the last month to demand continued access to migrant workers....that s going to upset a fair few who voted Leave.

But it's the only sensible option if small businesses in the UK are to continue to grow.

Exactly, it's not going to upset any Remainers, its the Leavers that May is tying to hold together by keeping them in the dark."

If Remainers believe in immigration, single market etc. Only 2% of the Brexiters need to want it too, to swing the majority the other way. I know many Brexiters who didn't vote leave because of immigration or the freedom of movement etc. They just didn't want to be independent and be successful. So May cannot know what the majority of the voters want.

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over a year ago

Babbacombe Torquay

The CBI have been lobbying government since 2010 for tax breaks for increased workplace training programmes, in Germany employers are afforded full on grants for in work training.

We have lost our way.....

Only office jobs seem to be valued these days"

Yes I totally agree, we even had to sod around with nursing bursaries, we have a record low number of British kids training as nurses because of government meddling.

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over a year ago

Technology jobs are better. 6 figures quite easily if you work hard. That's the future. But not many can do it.

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By *imiUKMan
over a year ago

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"Technology jobs are better. 6 figures quite easily if you work hard. That's the future. But not many can do it."

Soooooo

If not many can do it, it really isn't any kind of answer is it?

In fact, it's hardly worth mentioning.

Just out of curiosity, why did you mention it?

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By *obka3Couple
over a year ago

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"Technology jobs are better. 6 figures quite easily if you work hard. That's the future. But not many can do it."

Can you eat it or wear it or does it look after you when ill ?

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By *illwill69uMan
over a year ago

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"Technology jobs are better. 6 figures quite easily if you work hard. That's the future. But not many can do it."

Yep...

Not many can do technology jobs, but how many shipwrights do you think there are on this island? More or less than the number of base programmers? More or less than the number of graphics programmers? More of less than the number of network engineers?

Would you like to comment?

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By *obka3Couple
over a year ago

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"Technology jobs are better. 6 figures quite easily if you work hard. That's the future. But not many can do it.

Yep...

Would you like to comment? "

I think you will find the younger generation can do tech better than proper jobs,its easier work and in a clean warm office

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By *at69driveMan
over a year ago

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"This mock concern about seeing a plan is quite amusing really. People don't want to see a plan they just want to see the government fail.

The government will get the best deal it can for the country while getting as close as it can to the wishes of the majority of the voters and what they voted for. What more do people expect?

We expect them to safeguard the economy of the country.....that means that Brexit must not cost us more money than the £7.3 Bil Net it currently costs us per annum to be a member.

But you or no one else has a clue what the economy will be like. Predictions? Ye some use they are.

So you see the plan and don't like it. Then what?

The British economy and British business has always relied on expert predictions....that's a fact.

That is EXACTLY how businesses plan ahead, through expert predictions.

then why did the banks crash?

In the main because of the sub prime mortgage crisis....over confidence in property developments that were largely based on holiday homes and second homes abroad.

don't banks employ experts?

Even though small and medium British businesses were experiencing record growth in that same period, expansion loans were incredibly hard to obtain.

The banks dug their own graves.....and we all paid for it, and indeed are still paying for it."
Surely the only people paying for it are the banks shareholders who lost substantial sums of money on their investments.

No one has a right to borrow money and the banks should not be expected to take unnecessary risks .

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By *anes HubbyCouple
over a year ago

Babbacombe Torquay

"This mock concern about seeing a plan is quite amusing really. People don't want to see a plan they just want to see the government fail.

The government will get the best deal it can for the country while getting as close as it can to the wishes of the majority of the voters and what they voted for. What more do people expect?

We expect them to safeguard the economy of the country.....that means that Brexit must not cost us more money than the £7.3 Bil Net it currently costs us per annum to be a member.

But you or no one else has a clue what the economy will be like. Predictions? Ye some use they are.

So you see the plan and don't like it. Then what?

The British economy and British business has always relied on expert predictions....that's a fact.

That is EXACTLY how businesses plan ahead, through expert predictions.

then why did the banks crash?

In the main because of the sub prime mortgage crisis....over confidence in property developments that were largely based on holiday homes and second homes abroad.

don't banks employ experts?

Even though small and medium British businesses were experiencing record growth in that same period, expansion loans were incredibly hard to obtain.

The banks dug their own graves.....and we all paid for it, and indeed are still paying for it. Surely the only people paying for it are the banks shareholders who lost substantial sums of money on their investments.

No one has a right to borrow money and the banks should not be expected to take unnecessary risks ."

Did you miss the time when the government was forced to bail out these banks?.....that's ALL of us paying for it out of our taxes and for years to come

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By *at69driveMan
over a year ago

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"This mock concern about seeing a plan is quite amusing really. People don't want to see a plan they just want to see the government fail.

The government will get the best deal it can for the country while getting as close as it can to the wishes of the majority of the voters and what they voted for. What more do people expect?

We expect them to safeguard the economy of the country.....that means that Brexit must not cost us more money than the £7.3 Bil Net it currently costs us per annum to be a member.

But you or no one else has a clue what the economy will be like. Predictions? Ye some use they are.

So you see the plan and don't like it. Then what?

The British economy and British business has always relied on expert predictions....that's a fact.

That is EXACTLY how businesses plan ahead, through expert predictions.

then why did the banks crash?

In the main because of the sub prime mortgage crisis....over confidence in property developments that were largely based on holiday homes and second homes abroad.

don't banks employ experts?

Even though small and medium British businesses were experiencing record growth in that same period, expansion loans were incredibly hard to obtain.

No one has a right to borrow money and the banks should not be expected to take unnecessary risks .

Did you miss the time when the government was forced to bail out these banks?.....that's ALL of us paying for it out of our taxes and for years to come"
Yes , but all the bail out funds have to be repaid once the banks become profitable so there will be no overall loss to the tax payer .

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over a year ago

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over a year ago

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Sorry Pat but RBS alone was bailed out for £55+Billion, and have made substantial full year losses for every year of the last nine years since.....at least half of that will NEVER be repaid to the government and will be written off if they ever find a buyer.

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock

"Businesses have been lobbying David Davies over the last month to demand continued access to migrant workers....that s going to upset a fair few who voted Leave.

But it's the only sensible option if small businesses in the UK are to continue to grow.

or you could pay a bit more

Pay what a bit more?

Saw on the news today that uk textile businesses are seeing a large increase in business but cant find trained staff,perhaps they should train their own "

Governor of the bank of England Mark Carney made a speech about the effects of globalisation yesterday. He did say that business needs to take more responsibility, train more staff instead of taking the easy option and just looking for migrants to fill the gaps all the time. The government also needs to do more with incentives for business to train their own staff. Carney also touched on on the need for greater distribution of wealth as it appears the rich are getting richer and the poor keep getting poorer which can't be right.

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By *isandreTV/TS
over a year ago

Durham

"Businesses have been lobbying David Davies over the last month to demand continued access to migrant workers....that s going to upset a fair few who voted Leave.

But it's the only sensible option if small businesses in the UK are to continue to grow.

or you could pay a bit more

Pay what a bit more?

Saw on the news today that uk textile businesses are seeing a large increase in business but cant find trained staff,perhaps they should train their own

No, it can't be right but that is exactly where nigh on 30 years of Tory economic policy has led us. I know Blair was in charge for a good chunk of it (and to be fair did implement some leftist spending policies) but to get elected, to get the Murdoch media backing, he had to adopt many Tory policies such as deregulation, because the electorate, or just a significant enough selfish greedy fuckers portion of it at least, had for repeated elections shown that was what they voted for while the centre left split their vote.

The irony that it is exactly this that has led to many disgruntled jam voters to vote brexit, which is more likely to lose them an awful lot of protections they have is one thing. The even bigger irony is that it is a lot of disgruntled right wing voters also voted for brexit as a result of their own disastrous policies gradually bearing fruit. But they want to leave and then they will vote in their Lords and masters to fuck them over all over again all the while ridiculing Jeremy Corbyn, not for his policies most of which are sincere and sensible, but for stupid things like not singing the national anthem and for not being a spivvy scripted snake oil salesman who can act the part a few hours a week at pmq's and can deliver some vacuous sound bites on camera.

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By *ercuryMan
over a year ago

Grantham

The real referendum will be at the next General Election.

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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago

Cambridge

"The real referendum will be at the next General Election. "

Labour's fucked then

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The real referendum will be at the next General Election.

Labour's fucked then

fuckinhell I agree with you!

I'm going for a lie down

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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago

Cambridge

"The real referendum will be at the next General Election.

Labour's fucked then

fuckinhell I agree with you!

I'm going for a lie down

The even sadder thing is, they've fucked themselves

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The real referendum will be at the next General Election.

Labour's fucked then

fuckinhell I agree with you!

I'm going for a lie down

The even sadder thing is, they've fucked themselves"

True. Their voters haven't abandoned them, they have abandoned their voters

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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago

North West

"The real referendum will be at the next General Election. "

About this time last year I predicted that Brexit would narrowly win the referendum, causing great division and that Cameron would fall in his sword. So far so good.

I also reckoned that in Spring 2017, the Govt would fall after a number of Brexit related defeats in the Commons and then a vote of no confidence.

I agree with you that the next GE will be the true referendum and I think that it will happen next year.

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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago

Cambridge

Maybe we'll up up with a crazy SNP UKIP Plaid Cymru coalition

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

There won't be an election next year, unfortunately, if there was it would be a Tory landslide

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

"Were those 4 objectives

Look at cake

Like cake

Have cake

Eat cake?

best....... answer...... ever!!!!!

will come with a reply in the thread later...

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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago

North West

"There won't be an election next year, unfortunately, if there was it would be a Tory landslide"

How do you work that out? Is that another mandate the Brexit vote provided - a guarantee of a conservative government next time around. I thought that around half the electorate did not want any kind of Brexit and so they are unlikely to vote for a Party that is aiming for that.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Were those 4 objectives

Look at cake

Like cake

Have cake

Eat cake?

best....... answer...... ever!!!!!

will come with a reply in the thread later..."

Do you think a better objective would be a lesser objective?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"There won't be an election next year, unfortunately, if there was it would be a Tory landslide

Well apart from the fact that Labour have had it, if you are going by Brexit, two thirds of constituencies voted for Brexit

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

Do you think a better objective would be a lesser objective?"

not at all...... but for a start i would like something more substanive than "brexit means brexit!" and "red, white and blue brexit!"

not going to lie... you all know i am one of the "48%".....

I just want some sort of vision of what the government propose... just what the governments starting position is! at least that way we get a feeling of the direction we are going.... because what teresa may proposes, and what boris johnson proposes, and what david davies proposes, are different things depending on the audience they are speaking to....

and you wonder why people (especially the 48%) are confused....

like i said... the vouge statement at the moment is "people who voted leave know exactly what they voted for" is pish....

to leave.... yes!!

and then what?..... um?????

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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago

Cambridge

As has just been said in the house, since 2010 there has been 1200 public consultations on things from regulations for small passenger ships to traffic signs, but so far no public consultation on Brexit.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Do you think a better objective would be a lesser objective?

not at all...... but for a start i would like something more substanive than "brexit means brexit!" and "red, white and blue brexit!"

not going to lie... you all know i am one of the "48%".....

and you wonder why people (especially the 48%) are confused....

like i said... the vouge statement at the moment is "people who voted leave know exactly what they voted for" is pish....

to leave.... yes!!

and then what?..... um?????

Here we go again. The four major points. And the end result will be a compromise.

And what did the Remainers want, had they won the referendum? The status quo? Increasing political union? Joining the Euro?

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By *at69driveMan
over a year ago

Hertford

"As has just been said in the house, since 2010 there has been 1200 public consultations on things from regulations for small passenger ships to traffic signs, but so far no public consultation on Brexit."
Just a vote in which everyone could participate. By deduction no consultation should be needed.

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By *at69driveMan
over a year ago

Hertford

"There won't be an election next year, unfortunately, if there was it would be a Tory landslide"
My tboughts exactly . I would be quite happy to have an election now .

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Technology jobs are better. 6 figures quite easily if you work hard. That's the future. But not many can do it.

Soooooo

If not many can do it, it really isn't any kind of answer is it?

In fact, it's hardly worth mentioning.

Just out of curiosity, why did you mention it?"

Actually reading back through the comments I have no idea. I was thinking how can you make the Brexit successful? Improve quality of life. People complain about migrants lowering the wage. But the wages are based upon the industry and contributions you make. Banking and technology are high.

So if you want to be an industrial country then you need manual labourers which will be replaced by technology. There is a food delivery company investing in robotics to make it Efficient.

But there are investments in teaching children to code.

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock

"There won't be an election next year, unfortunately, if there was it would be a Tory landslide

Well apart from the fact that Labour have had it, if you are going by Brexit, two thirds of constituencies voted for Brexit"

The tories are way above Labour in the polls. Plus I can't see Brexit being derailed, 448 MP's voted on article 50 being triggered before march 31st 2017 in Parliament yesterday as long as details of the exit plan are released before hand and only 75 MP's voted against the motion.

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By *isandreTV/TS
over a year ago

Durham

"There won't be an election next year, unfortunately, if there was it would be a Tory landslide

Well apart from the fact that Labour have had it, if you are going by Brexit, two thirds of constituencies voted for Brexit

448 MP's also voted on the government having a fucking plan first. Davis is saying it is a blank cheque. It won't be. Labour are actually being mature about this (see point 5)

However, Starmer sought to show that Labour will use the motion to exert pressure on the government. He said a “late, vague plan” would not be good enough, and he would measure any published negotiating strategy against five tests:

Does it answers key questions such as whether the UK will seek to remain within the customs union and the EU single market?

Does it give enough detail for MPs, including on the Brexit select committee chaired by Hilary Benn, to scrutinise the government’s approach?

Does it provide enough information for the independent Office for Budget Responsibility to make detailed economic forecasts?

Will it address the concerns of the devolved administrations in Scotland and Wales?

Does it “have enough detail to build genuine consensus”?

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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago

Cambridge

I've yet to see a Brexiter tackle the Sewell Convention.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I've yet to see a Brexiter tackle the Sewell Convention."

stop pretending you know what you're talking about

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

What is on our wish list?

They have told us clearly and repeatedly, that we can't have that.

But that's what people do in negotiations, they tell you what they want and you tell them what you want, and both sides have to give a bit so the end result satisfies both sides."

funny enough i had a chat with my bank i wanted a loan they said fuck off

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By *obka3Couple
over a year ago

bournemouth

But that's what people do in negotiations, they tell you what they want and you tell them what you want, and both sides have to give a bit so the end result satisfies both sides.

funny enough i had a chat with my bank i wanted a loan they said fuck off "

Are you greek ?

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By *an_WoodMan
over a year ago

Stafford

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By *imiUKMan
over a year ago

Hereford

Quite a lot of European flags contain red, white or blue....

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