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"Right wingers like to label anyone who doesn't agree with them as a liberal or a leftie......it's lazy politics." A bit like the remoaners calling leave voters racist thick bigots | |||
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"Right wingers like to label anyone who doesn't agree with them as a liberal or a leftie......it's lazy politics. A bit like the remoaners calling leave voters racist thick bigots " You have just proved my point with your childish name for people who chose not to vote leave..... | |||
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"Right wingers like to label anyone who doesn't agree with them as a liberal or a leftie......it's lazy politics. A bit like the remoaners calling leave voters racist thick bigots " Oh, the irony. -Matt | |||
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"Right wingers like to label anyone who doesn't agree with them as a liberal or a leftie......it's lazy politics. A bit like the remoaners calling leave voters racist thick bigots You have just proved my point with your childish name for people who chose not to vote leave..... " Yea....brexiter  | |||
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"The Brexit split is not a left or right split. It's more complex. So name calling just doesn't work, because the spectrum is complex. I'm centre left, pro EU, but respect the vote and now want a Brexit that succeeds. Plus I want to be successful and believe in businesses so more conservative that socialism. But I am liberal and accept people are different. Labels don't work for the voters." That is a pretty similar way to the way I'd describe myself. I do believe that it is possible to have successful and strong businesses and still build strong social cohesion and community. In fact I'd probably say that the latter is a key driver for the former. -Matt | |||
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"The Brexit split is not a left or right split. It's more complex. So name calling just doesn't work, because the spectrum is complex. I'm centre left, pro EU, but respect the vote and now want a Brexit that succeeds. Plus I want to be successful and believe in businesses so more conservative that socialism. But I am liberal and accept people are different. Labels don't work for the voters. That is a pretty similar way to the way I'd describe myself. I do believe that it is possible to have successful and strong businesses and still build strong social cohesion and community. In fact I'd probably say that the latter is a key driver for the former. -Matt" 
It's funny because parties rarely change. But voters sway from party to party. Meaning we are more complex than labels. | |||
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"Right wingers like to label anyone who doesn't agree with them as a liberal or a leftie......it's lazy politics. A bit like the remoaners calling leave voters racist thick bigots Oh, the irony. -Matt"  | |||
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"Right wingers like to label anyone who doesn't agree with them as a liberal or a leftie......it's lazy politics. A bit like the remoaners calling leave voters racist thick bigots You have just proved my point with your childish name for people who chose not to vote leave..... " So offensive is better than childish | |||
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"Right wingers like to label anyone who doesn't agree with them as a liberal or a leftie......it's lazy politics. A bit like the remoaners calling leave voters racist thick bigots You have just proved my point with your childish name for people who chose not to vote leave..... So offensive is better than childish " It's offensive that you try to shut down legitimate debate by labelling it as "moaning". | |||
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"Right wingers like to label anyone who doesn't agree with them as a liberal or a leftie......it's lazy politics. A bit like the remoaners calling leave voters racist thick bigots You have just proved my point with your childish name for people who chose not to vote leave..... So offensive is better than childish " So you are saying that everyone on here that voted remain has called you a racist? I tend to see the people that are branded racists are deemed so because they have made specific racist remarks on here, not because they chose to leave, I respect everyone's right to vote as they see fit.....I don't respect remarks made that are out and out racist, and that's on all subjects and not only regarding Brexit. | |||
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"Right wingers like to label anyone who doesn't agree with them as a liberal or a leftie......it's lazy politics. A bit like the remoaners calling leave voters racist thick bigots You have just proved my point with your childish name for people who chose not to vote leave..... So offensive is better than childish It's offensive that you try to shut down legitimate debate by labelling it as "moaning". " Find one post I have made that has said people cant debate anything, it could well be said that those who wont accept a democratic vote are in fact being offensive and antidemocratic | |||
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"Right wingers like to label anyone who doesn't agree with them as a liberal or a leftie......it's lazy politics. A bit like the remoaners calling leave voters racist thick bigots You have just proved my point with your childish name for people who chose not to vote leave..... So offensive is better than childish So you are saying that everyone on here that voted remain has called you a racist? I tend to see the people that are branded racists are deemed so because they have made specific racist remarks on here, not because they chose to leave, I respect everyone's right to vote as they see fit.....I don't respect remarks made that are out and out racist, and that's on all subjects and not only regarding Brexit." Are you saying that people who voted leave have not been called racist and thick by SOME here and in the big wide world ? | |||
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"Right wingers like to label anyone who doesn't agree with them as a liberal or a leftie......it's lazy politics. A bit like the remoaners calling leave voters racist thick bigots You have just proved my point with your childish name for people who chose not to vote leave..... So offensive is better than childish It's offensive that you try to shut down legitimate debate by labelling it as "moaning". Find one post I have made that has said people cant debate anything, it could well be said that those who wont accept a democratic vote are in fact being offensive and antidemocratic " So will you stop using the term "remoaner"? | |||
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"Right wingers like to label anyone who doesn't agree with them as a liberal or a leftie......it's lazy politics. A bit like the remoaners calling leave voters racist thick bigots You have just proved my point with your childish name for people who chose not to vote leave..... So offensive is better than childish It's offensive that you try to shut down legitimate debate by labelling it as "moaning". Find one post I have made that has said people cant debate anything, it could well be said that those who wont accept a democratic vote are in fact being offensive and antidemocratic So will you stop using the term "remoaner"? " So you are trying to stop free speech now | |||
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" So will you stop using the term "remoaner"? So you are trying to stop free speech now" I'm asking you to stop using an offensive word. | |||
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"Right wingers like to label anyone who doesn't agree with them as a liberal or a leftie......it's lazy politics. A bit like the remoaners calling leave voters racist thick bigots You have just proved my point with your childish name for people who chose not to vote leave..... So offensive is better than childish So you are saying that everyone on here that voted remain has called you a racist? I tend to see the people that are branded racists are deemed so because they have made specific racist remarks on here, not because they chose to leave, I respect everyone's right to vote as they see fit.....I don't respect remarks made that are out and out racist, and that's on all subjects and not only regarding Brexit. Are you saying that people who voted leave have not been called racist and thick by SOME here and in the big wide world ?" The obvious difference being you call EVERYONE who voted differently than you a 'remoaner'.......in a sheep like way because you see others using the term | |||
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" So will you stop using the term "remoaner"? So you are trying to stop free speech now I'm asking you to stop using an offensive word. " Is the word remoaner inaccurate ? Most on the leave side would say it is very accurate and the word is now defined in the urban and macmillan dictionaries the same as the word racist,those who dislike other races would call that word offensive to them and against their rights . NOTE I said dislike not promote violence against others. Please explain the difference in ters of free speech again incase you missed it A dislike of other races not hatred or promotion of violence | |||
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"Right wingers like to label anyone who doesn't agree with them as a liberal or a leftie......it's lazy politics. A bit like the remoaners calling leave voters racist thick bigots You have just proved my point with your childish name for people who chose not to vote leave..... So offensive is better than childish So you are saying that everyone on here that voted remain has called you a racist? I tend to see the people that are branded racists are deemed so because they have made specific racist remarks on here, not because they chose to leave, I respect everyone's right to vote as they see fit.....I don't respect remarks made that are out and out racist, and that's on all subjects and not only regarding Brexit. Are you saying that people who voted leave have not been called racist and thick by SOME here and in the big wide world ? The obvious difference being you call EVERYONE who voted differently than you a 'remoaner'.......in a sheep like way because you see others using the term" Totally untrue,there are millions who voted remain who accept the vote and want to move on then. there are a few who wont accept the vote and want to have a second vote get parliament to block it etc they are the remoaners and undemocratic | |||
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" Is the word remoaner inaccurate ? Most on the leave side would say it is very accurate and the word is now defined in the urban and macmillan dictionaries the same as the word racist,those who dislike other races would call that word offensive to them and against their rights . NOTE I said dislike not promote violence against others. Please explain the difference in ters of free speech again incase you missed it A dislike of other races not hatred or promotion of violence" Sorry, are you saying the people who "dislike" other races, are upset at being called racist? | |||
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" Is the word remoaner inaccurate ? Most on the leave side would say it is very accurate and the word is now defined in the urban and macmillan dictionaries the same as the word racist,those who dislike other races would call that word offensive to them and against their rights . NOTE I said dislike not promote violence against others. Please explain the difference in ters of free speech again incase you missed it A dislike of other races not hatred or promotion of violence Sorry, are you saying the people who "dislike" other races, are upset at being called racist? " Try answering my question, are you saying the word remoaner is inaccurate ? | |||
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" Is the word remoaner inaccurate ? Most on the leave side would say it is very accurate and the word is now defined in the urban and macmillan dictionaries the same as the word racist,those who dislike other races would call that word offensive to them and against their rights . NOTE I said dislike not promote violence against others. Please explain the difference in ters of free speech again incase you missed it A dislike of other races not hatred or promotion of violence Sorry, are you saying the people who "dislike" other races, are upset at being called racist? Try answering my question, are you saying the word remoaner is inaccurate ? " Yes, of course it it. Her Majesty's Most Loyal Opposition are just labelled as moaners are they? Now please answer my question, are you saying the people who "dislike" other races, are upset at being called racist? | |||
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" Is the word remoaner inaccurate ? Most on the leave side would say it is very accurate and the word is now defined in the urban and macmillan dictionaries the same as the word racist,those who dislike other races would call that word offensive to them and against their rights . NOTE I said dislike not promote violence against others. Please explain the difference in ters of free speech again incase you missed it A dislike of other races not hatred or promotion of violence Sorry, are you saying the people who "dislike" other races, are upset at being called racist? Try answering my question, are you saying the word remoaner is inaccurate ? Yes, of course it it. Her Majesty's Most Loyal Opposition are just labelled as moaners are they? Now please answer my question, are you saying the people who "dislike" other races, are upset at being called racist? " Have Her maj opposition kept moaning about losing the GE in 2015 ? No they accepted the vote and moved on I dont know if they are upset as there are a lot that dislike other races but I would imagine thats lots do object to being called racist. For example if you ask many scottish football fans, they would say they dislike english fans doubt they would be happy to be labelled racist whereas the KKK may well be proud to be called it | |||
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"You don't just abandon your principles and beliefs about the EU because the referendum went against the way you voted, it's perfectly acceptable to retain those principals and beliefs as the vote was to leave or stay....not to be silenced by the other side." .....yes I agree..but accepting a democratic vote is not in your beliefs is it. | |||
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"You don't just abandon your principles and beliefs about the EU because the referendum went against the way you voted, it's perfectly acceptable to retain those principals and beliefs as the vote was to leave or stay....not to be silenced by the other side......yes I agree..but accepting a democratic vote is not in your beliefs is it." It was an advisory referendum not an election, not withstanding that it doesn't mean that the country has to accept the first thing it is offered as regards their financial futures.....it's not compulsory to accept the eventual outcome and what it might bring to us all without consultation. | |||
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"And since when did it become undemocratic to retain your principals and beliefs after a vote?, it was a referendum not a religious conversion." Not the same thing at all is it, keeping to your principles is honourable but complaining about a democratic vote and trying to overturn it isnt democratic and it is those people who are called remoaners | |||
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" it could well be said that those who wont accept a democratic vote are in fact being offensive and antidemocratic " it could be if that were the case, pretty much everyone who has a different view to your own and the other leave voters has accepted the vote and in fact many have said there should be no 2nd referendum on the question.. that being said its totally acceptable in what is a democracy for anyone to challenge the obvious flaws in the initial question as has happened, that's not 'offensive or undemocratic' in fact its a hallmark of a democracy.. to hold a different position and to campaign for it and to highlight the pitfalls, flaws and uncertainty in the brexit position is also neither of the above.. in fact we do this as part of our system of Government and exercise our rights to vote whenever elections are called.. trying to shut down opposing voices is not democracy.. | |||
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"You don't just abandon your principles and beliefs about the EU because the referendum went against the way you voted, it's perfectly acceptable to retain those principals and beliefs as the vote was to leave or stay....not to be silenced by the other side......yes I agree..but accepting a democratic vote is not in your beliefs is it. It was an advisory referendum not an election, not withstanding that it doesn't mean that the country has to accept the first thing it is offered as regards their financial futures.....it's not compulsory to accept the eventual outcome and what it might bring to us all without consultation." How many times has it been posted that the government leaflet stated that the government would implement the result | |||
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"People who dislike other races, are racist." Check the dictionary, it says that a racist is someone that believes a race is inferior doesnt mention the would dislike | |||
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"And since when did it become undemocratic to retain your principals and beliefs after a vote?, it was a referendum not a religious conversion. Not the same thing at all is it, keeping to your principles is honourable but complaining about a democratic vote and trying to overturn it isnt democratic and it is those people who are called remoaners" I don't think you will find ANY post made by myself that has advocated overturning anything, in fact I've openly stated on here that I don't agree with a second referendum, as a businessman yourself I'm surprised you don't understand why not every business owner would be as happy as yourself to go into this blindly.....for example I know several farmers who are deeply unsettled at what Brexit may mean to them. | |||
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"You don't just abandon your principles and beliefs about the EU because the referendum went against the way you voted, it's perfectly acceptable to retain those principals and beliefs as the vote was to leave or stay....not to be silenced by the other side......yes I agree..but accepting a democratic vote is not in your beliefs is it. It was an advisory referendum not an election, not withstanding that it doesn't mean that the country has to accept the first thing it is offered as regards their financial futures.....it's not compulsory to accept the eventual outcome and what it might bring to us all without consultation. How many times has it been posted that the government leaflet stated that the government would implement the result " The government works under the principal of a sovereign parliament, always has done....nothing has changed in law to say different. Maybe the government of Cameron should have consulted state lawyers before stating otherwise in a political leaflet. | |||
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" it could well be said that those who wont accept a democratic vote are in fact being offensive and antidemocratic it could be if that were the case, pretty much everyone who has a different view to your own and the other leave voters has accepted the vote and in fact many have said there should be no 2nd referendum on the question.. that being said its totally acceptable in what is a democracy for anyone to challenge the obvious flaws in the initial question as has happened, that's not 'offensive or undemocratic' in fact its a hallmark of a democracy.. to hold a different position and to campaign for it and to highlight the pitfalls, flaws and uncertainty in the brexit position is also neither of the above.. in fact we do this as part of our system of Government and exercise our rights to vote whenever elections are called.. trying to shut down opposing voices is not democracy.. " What was difficult in the question, remain or leave ? Seems pretty obvious to me,it was up to people to research the subject and come to a conclusion,the majority that voted decided they wanted to leave. | |||
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" I don't think you will find ANY post made by myself that has advocated overturning anything, in fact I've openly stated on here that I don't agree with a second referendum, as a businessman yourself I'm surprised you don't understand why not every business owner would be as happy as yourself to go into this blindly.....for example I know several farmers who are deeply unsettled at what Brexit may mean to them." As a farmer myself I know many that voted both ways, we may or may not benefit from leaving I voted for what I believed to be best for my kids and grandkids | |||
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"People who dislike other races, are racist. Check the dictionary, it says that a racist is someone that believes a race is inferior doesnt mention the would dislike" Disliking a whole race is treating them as inferiors. | |||
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" I don't think you will find ANY post made by myself that has advocated overturning anything, in fact I've openly stated on here that I don't agree with a second referendum, as a businessman yourself I'm surprised you don't understand why not every business owner would be as happy as yourself to go into this blindly.....for example I know several farmers who are deeply unsettled at what Brexit may mean to them. As a farmer myself I know many that voted both ways, we may or may not benefit from leaving I voted for what I believed to be best for my kids and grandkids " I totally agree....and would hope that you respect that I voted remain for exactly the same reason, to maintain the progress and position of our own small company. | |||
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" I totally agree....and would hope that you respect that I voted remain for exactly the same reason, to maintain the progress and position of our own small company." Me too. But to be fair I'm not an expert in running a country. So I have worries in either way the votes went. It all depends on the execution. | |||
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"You don't just abandon your principles and beliefs about the EU because the referendum went against the way you voted, it's perfectly acceptable to retain those principals and beliefs as the vote was to leave or stay....not to be silenced by the other side......yes I agree..but accepting a democratic vote is not in your beliefs is it. It was an advisory referendum not an election, not withstanding that it doesn't mean that the country has to accept the first thing it is offered as regards their financial futures.....it's not compulsory to accept the eventual outcome and what it might bring to us all without consultation. How many times has it been posted that the government leaflet stated that the government would implement the result " Was that the same government that said that A50 would be triggered the day after the referendum? And how many times was it stated about £350M? How many times has pretty much every election promise been broken by the current government (and governments previous of other parties). Now more than ever surely you should be able to see that a 'promise' by a government seems to be worth pretty much nothing. Politicians seem to be saying a lot of things recently that are not only not possible, but in many cases not even legal. It is a sad state of affairs that repeatedly they have to have their own laws and legal frameworks pointed out to them by others. -Matt | |||
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" it could well be said that those who wont accept a democratic vote are in fact being offensive and antidemocratic it could be if that were the case, pretty much everyone who has a different view to your own and the other leave voters has accepted the vote and in fact many have said there should be no 2nd referendum on the question.. that being said its totally acceptable in what is a democracy for anyone to challenge the obvious flaws in the initial question as has happened, that's not 'offensive or undemocratic' in fact its a hallmark of a democracy.. to hold a different position and to campaign for it and to highlight the pitfalls, flaws and uncertainty in the brexit position is also neither of the above.. in fact we do this as part of our system of Government and exercise our rights to vote whenever elections are called.. trying to shut down opposing voices is not democracy.. What was difficult in the question, remain or leave ? Seems pretty obvious to me,it was up to people to research the subject and come to a conclusion,the majority that voted decided they wanted to leave. " you know full well that this is not about how people voted initially, this is about the now and the future not the then.. | |||
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"People who dislike other races, are racist. Check the dictionary, it says that a racist is someone that believes a race is inferior doesnt mention the would dislike Disliking a whole race is treating them as inferiors. " Why ? | |||
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" it could well be said that those who wont accept a democratic vote are in fact being offensive and antidemocratic it could be if that were the case, pretty much everyone who has a different view to your own and the other leave voters has accepted the vote and in fact many have said there should be no 2nd referendum on the question.. that being said its totally acceptable in what is a democracy for anyone to challenge the obvious flaws in the initial question as has happened, that's not 'offensive or undemocratic' in fact its a hallmark of a democracy.. to hold a different position and to campaign for it and to highlight the pitfalls, flaws and uncertainty in the brexit position is also neither of the above.. in fact we do this as part of our system of Government and exercise our rights to vote whenever elections are called.. trying to shut down opposing voices is not democracy.. What was difficult in the question, remain or leave ? Seems pretty obvious to me,it was up to people to research the subject and come to a conclusion,the majority that voted decided they wanted to leave. you know full well that this is not about how people voted initially, this is about the now and the future not the then.. " You said the intial question was flawed | |||
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" What was difficult in the question, remain or leave ? Seems pretty obvious to me,it was up to people to research the subject and come to a conclusion,the majority that voted decided they wanted to leave. " And you are perfectly happy with that are you? As a process? A simple question, too simple to convey any of the many potential routes that could be taken. Then a bunch of lies told to the public about what will or won't happen... politicians coming out with blatantly false information that they then immediately distance themselves from after the results in. You are happy with that process? As a working democracy? That all is just fine by you is it? -Matt | |||
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"People who dislike other races, are racist. Check the dictionary, it says that a racist is someone that believes a race is inferior doesnt mention the would dislike Disliking a whole race is treating them as inferiors. Why ? " Do you like your own race? If you do you're automatically giving your own race a superior advantage over the race you dislike. | |||
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"You can be a liberal elite, however I would suggest that there are many many more conservative elites. " I wonder since many conservative elites are in the media twisting the perception of liberal elites. | |||
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"You can be a liberal elite, however I would suggest that there are many many more conservative elites. I wonder since many conservative elites are in the media twisting the perception of liberal elites." Smoke and mirrors.... | |||
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" it could well be said that those who wont accept a democratic vote are in fact being offensive and antidemocratic it could be if that were the case, pretty much everyone who has a different view to your own and the other leave voters has accepted the vote and in fact many have said there should be no 2nd referendum on the question.. that being said its totally acceptable in what is a democracy for anyone to challenge the obvious flaws in the initial question as has happened, that's not 'offensive or undemocratic' in fact its a hallmark of a democracy.. to hold a different position and to campaign for it and to highlight the pitfalls, flaws and uncertainty in the brexit position is also neither of the above.. in fact we do this as part of our system of Government and exercise our rights to vote whenever elections are called.. trying to shut down opposing voices is not democracy.. What was difficult in the question, remain or leave ? Seems pretty obvious to me,it was up to people to research the subject and come to a conclusion,the majority that voted decided they wanted to leave. you know full well that this is not about how people voted initially, this is about the now and the future not the then.. You said the intial question was flawed " clearly, hence the high court ruling.. and if anyone thinks that had the initial vote been to remain that any similar obvious flaw (one may even suspect deliberately not addressed before the vote took place) would not have been questioned by someone on the leave side then they are naive.. | |||
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"People who dislike other races, are racist. Check the dictionary, it says that a racist is someone that believes a race is inferior doesnt mention the would dislike Disliking a whole race is treating them as inferiors. Why ? " Racism is also defined by prejudice and discrimination. If you dislike everyone if a certain race, certainly this is prejudice and I would say anyone saying 'all Scottish people are ....' is racist, but just the Scottish football fans, that isn't the whole race ....if you judge people by the colour of their skin or attributes that define their race, that is racist, because not all people of any race are the same ..... | |||
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 I am personally very happy to be labelled and fly the flag for Liberalism which in my world means to be an open, kind, loving and inclusive person who treats everyone as an equal and who would look only to enjoy the gifts that everyone can give in their own individual way to society.
I actually feel sorry for people who feel the need to retreat into an inner sanctum that makes them feel safe and to look at and treat people who are not like them as some kind of threat.
I want our country back.., The Great Britain that was made from the combined efforts of all people working together for a common cause and for the good of each other. I am a million miles away from being on any way religious but I really do believe that it is far more productive to love your fellow human beings than to waste pointless energy hating and being fearful.
As far as this forum goes, it surely must be a given that Swinfers by their very nature have Liberal ideals?... | |||
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"Just one observation. Since when do liberals get a bad name? Since when does the left become an elitist? In the last 40 years hasn't the country been run by conservatives? Wasn't New Labour more centre than left? The elitists are usually more conservative. Business owners and very powerful. " There's a big difference between socially liberal, which can often be left, and financially (or ne  liberal, who are often to the right.
Think about someone like Bush and his attitude to low regulation vs something like abortion.
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"Right wingers like to label anyone who doesn't agree with them as a liberal or a leftie......it's lazy politics. A bit like the remoaners calling leave voters racist thick bigots You have just proved my point with your childish name for people who chose not to vote leave..... So offensive is better than childish It's offensive that you try to shut down legitimate debate by labelling it as "moaning". Find one post I have made that has said people cant debate anything, it could well be said that those who wont accept a democratic vote are in fact being offensive and antidemocratic " An important part of democracy is accountability. If we can't hold those making the argument accountable then it's not really a proper democratic process. How can we hold anyone accountable when it comes to a referendum? I think BREXITers make their true commitment to democracy very clear every time they try to shutdown anyone who does go along with their own irrational belief that making it harder to do business and trade with our biggest, richest and closest neighbours is somehow going to make us better off. If BREXITers had their way even parliament (the primary source of democratic accountability in the UK)wouldn't have a say. Meanwhile they seem hell bent on harassing and haranguing out of office anyone in an official position who points out 'there may be trouble ahead' like some crazed Cromwellian zealot in a real witch hunt. There is far more to democracy and the whole democratic process than narrowly winning one vote. | |||
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"People who dislike other races, are racist. Check the dictionary, it says that a racist is someone that believes a race is inferior doesnt mention the would dislike Disliking a whole race is treating them as inferiors. Why ? " You've labelled yourself a racist.If you only have love for your own race and dislike everyone else.Thanks for the honesty its a rare thing. | |||
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"You can be a liberal elite, however I would suggest that there are many many more conservative elites. I wonder since many conservative elites are in the media twisting the perception of liberal elites. Smoke and mirrors...." Exactly, look at the billionaire cabinet of Trump. A true man of the people with his own private jet | |||
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"Just one observation. Since when do liberals get a bad name? Since when does the left become an elitist? In the last 40 years hasn't the country been run by conservatives? Wasn't New Labour more centre than left? The elitists are usually more conservative. Business owners and very powerful. There's a big difference between socially liberal, which can often be left, and financially (or ne liberal, who are often to the right.
Think about someone like Bush and his attitude to low regulation vs something like abortion.
The terms can be confusing.
"Bush was a Neo Con, not a Neo Liberal. | |||
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"People who dislike other races, are racist. Check the dictionary, it says that a racist is someone that believes a race is inferior doesnt mention the would dislike Disliking a whole race is treating them as inferiors. Why ? You've labelled yourself a racist.If you only have love for your own race and dislike everyone else.Thanks for the honesty its a rare thing. " | |||
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"I don't think you have to be left to be a liberal? I've always considered myself a liberal but never voted liberal.... Liberal politicans in general tend to be fucking awful at governing and utterly hopeless at getting elected" Isn't 'liberal' in philosophical terms different from 'Liberal' the political party though? Likewise the term 'liberal' across the pond differs from the classical philosophy of liberalism here. | |||
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"Just one observation. Since when do liberals get a bad name? Since when does the left become an elitist? In the last 40 years hasn't the country been run by conservatives? Wasn't New Labour more centre than left? The elitists are usually more conservative. Business owners and very powerful. There's a big difference between socially liberal, which can often be left, and financially (or ne liberal, who are often to the right.
Think about someone like Bush and his attitude to low regulation vs something like abortion.
The terms can be confusing.
Bush was a Neo Con, not a Neo Liberal."There's a fair amount of overlap. | |||
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"Bummed Why?" Because I referenced this thread in another and it's easier to find when it's near had a recent post. | |||
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