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"Think your spell checker is a bit confused, Theresa May is Maidenhead, in Maidstone it's Helen Grant who superceded Ann Widdicome (still thoroughly blue though)." Indeed and you won't get any #stopbrexit bollocks here  | |||
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"Didn't someone say on a thread on here the other day that if MPs didn't vote for BREXIT and Article 50 they'd be voted out of parliament. How's that working out so far? The totally intransigent and uncompromising attitude of BREXITers is what's most likely to cause BREXIT to never actually happen at all." I do wonder about this argument, why would that stop MPs anyway? It seems to assume that MPs have no principles and would just vote to save their seat in parliament. I think there are many, most in fact, of the MPs who do it because of their principles. | |||
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"Didn't someone say on a thread on here the other day that if MPs didn't vote for BREXIT and Article 50 they'd be voted out of parliament. How's that working out so far? The totally intransigent and uncompromising attitude of BREXITers is what's most likely to cause BREXIT to never actually happen at all. I do wonder about this argument, why would that stop MPs anyway? It seems to assume that MPs have no principles and would just vote to save their seat in parliament. I think there are many, most in fact, of the MPs who do it because of their principles."  | |||
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"Didn't someone say on a thread on here the other day that if MPs didn't vote for BREXIT and Article 50 they'd be voted out of parliament. How's that working out so far? The totally intransigent and uncompromising attitude of BREXITers is what's most likely to cause BREXIT to never actually happen at all. I do wonder about this argument, why would that stop MPs anyway? It seems to assume that MPs have no principles and would just vote to save their seat in parliament. I think there are many, most in fact, of the MPs who do it because of their principles. " There are some things that are more important than keeping your seat, and this is one of them | |||
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"Didn't someone say on a thread on here the other day that if MPs didn't vote for BREXIT and Article 50 they'd be voted out of parliament. How's that working out so far? The totally intransigent and uncompromising attitude of BREXITers is what's most likely to cause BREXIT to never actually happen at all. I do wonder about this argument, why would that stop MPs anyway? It seems to assume that MPs have no principles and would just vote to save their seat in parliament. I think there are many, most in fact, of the MPs who do it because of their principles.
There are some things that are more important than keeping your seat, and this is one of them "
yet at a public meeting you threaten your MP?
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" yet at a public meeting you threaten your MP? Unbelievable " What are you talking about? I've never threatened an MP. | |||
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" yet at a public meeting you threaten your MP? Unbelievable What are you talking about? I've never threatened an MP. " Maybe not you personally but did you not say the other day that at a public meeting your MP was told that if she voted in Parliament to Leave then they would be voted out at the next election? Is that allowing them to follow their principles or is that a threat and that carrying out your wishes is more important than their principles? | |||
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"Didn't someone say on a thread on here the other day that if MPs didn't vote for BREXIT and Article 50 they'd be voted out of parliament. How's that working out so far? The totally intransigent and uncompromising attitude of BREXITers is what's most likely to cause BREXIT to never actually happen at all." ... The people of Richmond voted as a protest to the expansion of Heathrow.. Not a protest against brexit | |||
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"Didn't someone say on a thread on here the other day that if MPs didn't vote for BREXIT and Article 50 they'd be voted out of parliament. How's that working out so far? The totally intransigent and uncompromising attitude of BREXITers is what's most likely to cause BREXIT to never actually happen at all.... The people of Richmond voted as a protest to the expansion of Heathrow.. Not a protest against brexit" Except they didn't  That's the platform Zac Goldsmith ran on...and he wasn't re-elected. | |||
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"Didn't someone say on a thread on here the other day that if MPs didn't vote for BREXIT and Article 50 they'd be voted out of parliament. How's that working out so far? The totally intransigent and uncompromising attitude of BREXITers is what's most likely to cause BREXIT to never actually happen at all.... The people of Richmond voted as a protest to the expansion of Heathrow.. Not a protest against brexit" Wrong!.......The Lib Dem candidate also ran on an anti Heathrow expansion ticket. | |||
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"Well done to the Lib Dems. They set the agenda and won the argument. However the remainers should't get too excited. In the referendum Richmond voted 72% to remain so they were always fighting on friendly ground. Zac Goldsmith was also a Brexit supporter so that would have scored against him as did his inability to use the Tory party election machine while standing as an independent. Let's see how the Lib Dems do in a Brexit voting constituency or even in a Tory seat with a remain supporting MP. I don't see the Lib Dems taking Sunderland any time soon." Exactly this. No surprise at all the Lib Dems won this seat as Richmond voted Remain in the referendum. If the EU referendum was done on a constituency by constituency basis like the general election it would have been a Landslide victory for Leave. The lib dems will be wiped out in pro Leave constituencies. In the polls the Lib dems are on 8% overall while the Conservatives under the leadership of Theresa May are doing better than they've ever done, miles ahead of Labour at the moment. Even ukip are on 11% overall (3% more than the lib dems 8%) which is astonishing after the summer/autumn ukip have had. | |||
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"It proves that in a general election the Brexiters woulf win as this vote was in a strong remain area, The elected MP is a traitor and should be put in prison anyway as she admits she wants us to stay in the EU. A lot of these southerners do not care about the will of the people they are selfish pigs no wonder there is such a devide between the north and the south." Possibly the most hilarious post I've seen in this forum for months..... | |||
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"Richmond is a wealthy and utterly Conservative constituency that Brexit traitor Goldsmith had a majority of 23,000. On an entirely anti Brexit ticket, the Lib Dems turned over a 23,000 deficit into a 2,000 majority last night. #stopbrexit is trending and the LibDems are back. The closest demographic to Richmond is Maidstone and the MP for Maidstone is none other than Theresa May. If the UK is truly equally divided over Brexit and the LibDems can pull off such an astonishing reversal perhaps a general election would not be so unwelcome if the LibDems are fighting on an anti Brexit ticket and have almost guaranteed support from Scotland and N Ireland. Are you listening Theresa?" Richmond is not an utterly conservative constituency. The Lib dems held the seat before Zac Goldsmith took it for the tories in 2010. | |||
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"It proves that in a general election the Brexiters woulf win as this vote was in a strong remain area, The elected MP is a traitor and should be put in prison anyway as she admits she wants us to stay in the EU. A lot of these southerners do not care about the will of the people they are selfish pigs no wonder there is such a devide between the north and the south." The Lib dems should really change their name to the Liberal anti-democrats. The lady who won Richmond last night said she refused to accept the EU referendum result and would vote against triggering article 50 if it came to a vote in Parliament. The mask is starting to slip and the motives of the Lib dems and people like Gina Miller are becoming more obvious with each passing day. | |||
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"It proves that in a general election the Brexiters woulf win as this vote was in a strong remain area, The elected MP is a traitor and should be put in prison anyway as she admits she wants us to stay in the EU. A lot of these southerners do not care about the will of the people they are selfish pigs no wonder there is such a devide between the north and the south. The Lib dems should really change their name to the Liberal anti-democrats. The lady who won Richmond last night said she refused to accept the EU referendum result and would vote against triggering article 50 if it came to a vote in Parliament. The mask is starting to slip and the motives of the Lib dems and people like Gina Miller are becoming more obvious with each passing day. " To be fair to her she was elected on a remain ticket and the majority of her constituents voted to remain. So as member of parliament for Richmond she does have the mandate to vote against Brexit. However the same rule should apply to all MP's. Ignore your constituents at your peril. | |||
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"I think that #stopbrexit will grow from strength to strength from this point forward and we will start to see concerted cross party action to highlight the folly of Brexit. Time is on the side of the #stopbrexit campaign and across the country the sentiment is split virtually 50/50. #stopbrexit will never convert the committed racists, extremists and ideologists but as is often said, not everyone who voted Leave falls into those categories. #stopbrexit needs to win over a small majority of normal voters who will realise over the next couple of years that they were fed a spoonful of lies by Johnson, Gove and Farage and that will become apparent as the trio continue to make arses of themselves on the political stage. #stopnrexit is here to stay and with cross party allegiances growing, it will be source of constant irritation to foaming Brexiters as the ground they stand on starts to ever so slowly crumble away." Funny. I don't see many "foaming Brexiters." I do see foaming Remainers. We've had the referendum. No need for another. | |||
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"I think that #stopbrexit will grow from strength to strength from this point forward and we will start to see concerted cross party action to highlight the folly of Brexit. Time is on the side of the #stopbrexit campaign and across the country the sentiment is split virtually 50/50. #stopbrexit will never convert the committed racists, extremists and ideologists but as is often said, not everyone who voted Leave falls into those categories. #stopbrexit needs to win over a small majority of normal voters who will realise over the next couple of years that they were fed a spoonful of lies by Johnson, Gove and Farage and that will become apparent as the trio continue to make arses of themselves on the political stage. #stopnrexit is here to stay and with cross party allegiances growing, it will be source of constant irritation to foaming Brexiters as the ground they stand on starts to ever so slowly crumble away." A bit of wishful thinking but time isn't really on the side of remainers either. Every week/month that ticks by will see the power and authority of the EU itself eroded. There is a massive change coming in the next year or two for the whole of Europe and talk of Brexit will be dwarfed by much bigger events. I wonder what our forum posts will look like in December 2017. Or even if there is still a forum. | |||
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"I think that #stopbrexit will grow from strength to strength from this point forward and we will start to see concerted cross party action to highlight the folly of Brexit. Time is on the side of the #stopbrexit campaign and across the country the sentiment is split virtually 50/50. #stopbrexit will never convert the committed racists, extremists and ideologists but as is often said, not everyone who voted Leave falls into those categories. #stopbrexit needs to win over a small majority of normal voters who will realise over the next couple of years that they were fed a spoonful of lies by Johnson, Gove and Farage and that will become apparent as the trio continue to make arses of themselves on the political stage. #stopnrexit is here to stay and with cross party allegiances growing, it will be source of constant irritation to foaming Brexiters as the ground they stand on starts to ever so slowly crumble away." See what happens in a bi election in a constituency that voted overwhelmingly for Leave before you get carried away. It will be a reality check to all the Remainers who are getting delusional about this Richmond result. | |||
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"I think that #stopbrexit will grow from strength to strength from this point forward and we will start to see concerted cross party action to highlight the folly of Brexit. Time is on the side of the #stopbrexit campaign and across the country the sentiment is split virtually 50/50. #stopbrexit will never convert the committed racists, extremists and ideologists but as is often said, not everyone who voted Leave falls into those categories. #stopbrexit needs to win over a small majority of normal voters who will realise over the next couple of years that they were fed a spoonful of lies by Johnson, Gove and Farage and that will become apparent as the trio continue to make arses of themselves on the political stage. #stopnrexit is here to stay and with cross party allegiances growing, it will be source of constant irritation to foaming Brexiters as the ground they stand on starts to ever so slowly crumble away. A bit of wishful thinking but time isn't really on the side of remainers either. Every week/month that ticks by will see the power and authority of the EU itself eroded. There is a massive change coming in the next year or two for the whole of Europe and talk of Brexit will be dwarfed by much bigger events. I wonder what our forum posts will look like in December 2017. Or even if there is still a forum. " Should that be 'even if there is still an EU'? | |||
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"Whether there is a need for another referendum or not, and I wouldn't agree with having a second referendum personally,....but just because you lose an election or a referendum it doesn't mean you have to abandon your principals or change your beliefs." | |||
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"I think that #stopbrexit will grow from strength to strength from this point forward and we will start to see concerted cross party action to highlight the folly of Brexit. Time is on the side of the #stopbrexit campaign and across the country the sentiment is split virtually 50/50. #stopbrexit will never convert the committed racists, extremists and ideologists but as is often said, not everyone who voted Leave falls into those categories. #stopbrexit needs to win over a small majority of normal voters who will realise over the next couple of years that they were fed a spoonful of lies by Johnson, Gove and Farage and that will become apparent as the trio continue to make arses of themselves on the political stage. #stopnrexit is here to stay and with cross party allegiances growing, it will be source of constant irritation to foaming Brexiters as the ground they stand on starts to ever so slowly crumble away." We,ll see come March if La Pen wins the EU is DOOMED.  | |||
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"Also significant, in my eyes, is the fact the Labour candidate polled so few votes he lost his deposit. The candidate for the official opposition lost their deposit. Jesus. " It isn't traditionally a strong labour seat. It's the Lib Dems and the Tories who rule the roost there, and have done for decades. Politcal parties who are running in a seat that they have no chance of winning will put in a person who is politically charismatic or young and just starting out on their political career. They use them to increase the swing vote and build from there in the hope that in a few elections time they will get the seat. It's playing the long game. | |||
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"Also significant, in my eyes, is the fact the Labour candidate polled so few votes he lost his deposit. The candidate for the official opposition lost their deposit. Jesus. It isn't traditionally a strong labour seat. It's the Lib Dems and the Tories who rule the roost there, and have done for decades. Politcal parties who are running in a seat that they have no chance of winning will put in a person who is politically charismatic or young and just starting out on their political career. They use them to increase the swing vote and build from there in the hope that in a few elections time they will get the seat. It's playing the long game. " Of course it's not a seat that Labour would ever come anywhere near winning but for the Labour candidate to lose their deposit is significant, in my view. That means they got less than 5% of the votes. Less than 5%! | |||
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"I think that #stopbrexit will grow from strength to strength from this point forward and we will start to see concerted cross party action to highlight the folly of Brexit. Time is on the side of the #stopbrexit campaign and across the country the sentiment is split virtually 50/50. #stopbrexit will never convert the committed racists, extremists and ideologists but as is often said, not everyone who voted Leave falls into those categories. #stopbrexit needs to win over a small majority of normal voters who will realise over the next couple of years that they were fed a spoonful of lies by Johnson, Gove and Farage and that will become apparent as the trio continue to make arses of themselves on the political stage. #stopnrexit is here to stay and with cross party allegiances growing, it will be source of constant irritation to foaming Brexiters as the ground they stand on starts to ever so slowly crumble away. A bit of wishful thinking but time isn't really on the side of remainers either. Every week/month that ticks by will see the power and authority of the EU itself eroded. There is a massive change coming in the next year or two for the whole of Europe and talk of Brexit will be dwarfed by much bigger events. I wonder what our forum posts will look like in December 2017. Or even if there is still a forum. " I don't disagree at all. There may well be no sentiment at all from anyone to leave the EU if it evolves into something completely different as a result of political changes in Europe over the next 12 months. There is no need whatsoever to damage the UK economy by rushing into A50 before knowing what will happen to the EU (if anything) after the French and German elections. | |||
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"Also significant, in my eyes, is the fact the Labour candidate polled so few votes he lost his deposit. The candidate for the official opposition lost their deposit. Jesus. It isn't traditionally a strong labour seat. It's the Lib Dems and the Tories who rule the roost there, and have done for decades. Politcal parties who are running in a seat that they have no chance of winning will put in a person who is politically charismatic or young and just starting out on their political career. They use them to increase the swing vote and build from there in the hope that in a few elections time they will get the seat. It's playing the long game. " I saw the Labour candidate who stood in Richmond last night on telly. He was neither young or charismatic.  | |||
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"Also significant, in my eyes, is the fact the Labour candidate polled so few votes he lost his deposit. The candidate for the official opposition lost their deposit. Jesus. It isn't traditionally a strong labour seat. It's the Lib Dems and the Tories who rule the roost there, and have done for decades. Politcal parties who are running in a seat that they have no chance of winning will put in a person who is politically charismatic or young and just starting out on their political career. They use them to increase the swing vote and build from there in the hope that in a few elections time they will get the seat. It's playing the long game. Of course it's not a seat that Labour would ever come anywhere near winning but for the Labour candidate to lose their deposit is significant, in my view. That means they got less than 5% of the votes. Less than 5%! " Purely tactical voting from the relatively small number of traditional Labour voters in Richmond.....anything it took to overthrow the trust-fund Tory. | |||
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"I think that #stopbrexit will grow from strength to strength from this point forward and we will start to see concerted cross party action to highlight the folly of Brexit. Time is on the side of the #stopbrexit campaign and across the country the sentiment is split virtually 50/50. #stopbrexit will never convert the committed racists, extremists and ideologists but as is often said, not everyone who voted Leave falls into those categories. #stopbrexit needs to win over a small majority of normal voters who will realise over the next couple of years that they were fed a spoonful of lies by Johnson, Gove and Farage and that will become apparent as the trio continue to make arses of themselves on the political stage. #stopnrexit is here to stay and with cross party allegiances growing, it will be source of constant irritation to foaming Brexiters as the ground they stand on starts to ever so slowly crumble away. We,ll see come March if La Pen wins the EU is DOOMED. "The EU will not be doomed. It will evolve and it will change and like all countries and alleigencies it will adapt to changing sentiment and attitudes. The EU will never simply collapse and disappear and really no-one should even be hoping for that as such a cataclysmic effect would be catastrophic for everyone, not least the UK. The UK could and should be at the helm of the EU shaping its future and plotting its direction instead of running home and hiding under the bed. | |||
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"Also significant, in my eyes, is the fact the Labour candidate polled so few votes he lost his deposit. The candidate for the official opposition lost their deposit. Jesus. It isn't traditionally a strong labour seat. It's the Lib Dems and the Tories who rule the roost there, and have done for decades. Politcal parties who are running in a seat that they have no chance of winning will put in a person who is politically charismatic or young and just starting out on their political career. They use them to increase the swing vote and build from there in the hope that in a few elections time they will get the seat. It's playing the long game. Of course it's not a seat that Labour would ever come anywhere near winning but for the Labour candidate to lose their deposit is significant, in my view. That means they got less than 5% of the votes. Less than 5%! Purely tactical voting from the relatively small number of traditional Labour voters in Richmond.....anything it took to overthrow the trust-fund Tory. " Ah ok, I thought it wasn't getting much attention from anywhere! | |||
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"Also significant, in my eyes, is the fact the Labour candidate polled so few votes he lost his deposit. The candidate for the official opposition lost their deposit. Jesus. It isn't traditionally a strong labour seat. It's the Lib Dems and the Tories who rule the roost there, and have done for decades. Politcal parties who are running in a seat that they have no chance of winning will put in a person who is politically charismatic or young and just starting out on their political career. They use them to increase the swing vote and build from there in the hope that in a few elections time they will get the seat. It's playing the long game. Of course it's not a seat that Labour would ever come anywhere near winning but for the Labour candidate to lose their deposit is significant, in my view. That means they got less than 5% of the votes. Less than 5%! Purely tactical voting from the relatively small number of traditional Labour voters in Richmond.....anything it took to overthrow the trust-fund Tory. Ah ok, I thought it wasn't getting much attention from anywhere!" We attempted to use tactical voting down here to save the incumbent Lib Dem MP for Torbay in the general election, but alas we couldn't mobilise enough traditional Labour voters to vote tactically and the Tory crept in.....and he's total shit. | |||
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"I think that #stopbrexit will grow from strength to strength from this point forward and we will start to see concerted cross party action to highlight the folly of Brexit. Time is on the side of the #stopbrexit campaign and across the country the sentiment is split virtually 50/50. #stopbrexit will never convert the committed racists, extremists and ideologists but as is often said, not everyone who voted Leave falls into those categories. #stopbrexit needs to win over a small majority of normal voters who will realise over the next couple of years that they were fed a spoonful of lies by Johnson, Gove and Farage and that will become apparent as the trio continue to make arses of themselves on the political stage. #stopnrexit is here to stay and with cross party allegiances growing, it will be source of constant irritation to foaming Brexiters as the ground they stand on starts to ever so slowly crumble away. We,ll see come March if La Pen wins the EU is DOOMED.
The EU will not be doomed. It will evolve and it will change and like all countries and alleigencies it will adapt to changing sentiment and attitudes.
The EU will never simply collapse and disappear and really no-one should even be hoping for that as such a cataclysmic effect would be catastrophic for everyone, not least the UK.
The UK could and should be at the helm of the EU shaping its future and plotting its direction instead of running home and hiding under the bed."Well, Mr Cameron tried and didn't make much headway, did he? | |||
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"I think that #stopbrexit will grow from strength to strength from this point forward and we will start to see concerted cross party action to highlight the folly of Brexit. Time is on the side of the #stopbrexit campaign and across the country the sentiment is split virtually 50/50. #stopbrexit will never convert the committed racists, extremists and ideologists but as is often said, not everyone who voted Leave falls into those categories. #stopbrexit needs to win over a small majority of normal voters who will realise over the next couple of years that they were fed a spoonful of lies by Johnson, Gove and Farage and that will become apparent as the trio continue to make arses of themselves on the political stage. #stopnrexit is here to stay and with cross party allegiances growing, it will be source of constant irritation to foaming Brexiters as the ground they stand on starts to ever so slowly crumble away. We,ll see come March if La Pen wins the EU is DOOMED.
The EU will not be doomed. It will evolve and it will change and like all countries and alleigencies it will adapt to changing sentiment and attitudes.
The EU will never simply collapse and disappear and really no-one should even be hoping for that as such a cataclysmic effect would be catastrophic for everyone, not least the UK.
The UK could and should be at the helm of the EU shaping its future and plotting its direction instead of running home and hiding under the bed.
Well, Mr Cameron tried and didn't make much headway, did he? "Cameron was politically inept...... | |||
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"I think that #stopbrexit will grow from strength to strength from this point forward and we will start to see concerted cross party action to highlight the folly of Brexit. Time is on the side of the #stopbrexit campaign and across the country the sentiment is split virtually 50/50. #stopbrexit will never convert the committed racists, extremists and ideologists but as is often said, not everyone who voted Leave falls into those categories. #stopbrexit needs to win over a small majority of normal voters who will realise over the next couple of years that they were fed a spoonful of lies by Johnson, Gove and Farage and that will become apparent as the trio continue to make arses of themselves on the political stage. #stopnrexit is here to stay and with cross party allegiances growing, it will be source of constant irritation to foaming Brexiters as the ground they stand on starts to ever so slowly crumble away. We,ll see come March if La Pen wins the EU is DOOMED.
The EU will not be doomed. It will evolve and it will change and like all countries and alleigencies it will adapt to changing sentiment and attitudes.
The EU will never simply collapse and disappear and really no-one should even be hoping for that as such a cataclysmic effect would be catastrophic for everyone, not least the UK.
The UK could and should be at the helm of the EU shaping its future and plotting its direction instead of running home and hiding under the bed."David Cameron already tried that with his reform efforts before the Referendum and the EU told Cameron (and by default Britain) to basically fuck off we are not reforming and we are not changing. | |||
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"I think that #stopbrexit will grow from strength to strength from this point forward and we will start to see concerted cross party action to highlight the folly of Brexit. Time is on the side of the #stopbrexit campaign and across the country the sentiment is split virtually 50/50. #stopbrexit will never convert the committed racists, extremists and ideologists but as is often said, not everyone who voted Leave falls into those categories. #stopbrexit needs to win over a small majority of normal voters who will realise over the next couple of years that they were fed a spoonful of lies by Johnson, Gove and Farage and that will become apparent as the trio continue to make arses of themselves on the political stage. #stopnrexit is here to stay and with cross party allegiances growing, it will be source of constant irritation to foaming Brexiters as the ground they stand on starts to ever so slowly crumble away. We,ll see come March if La Pen wins the EU is DOOMED.
The EU will not be doomed. It will evolve and it will change and like all countries and alleigencies it will adapt to changing sentiment and attitudes.
The EU will never simply collapse and disappear and really no-one should even be hoping for that as such a cataclysmic effect would be catastrophic for everyone, not least the UK.
The UK could and should be at the helm of the EU shaping its future and plotting its direction instead of running home and hiding under the bed." | |||
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"I think that #stopbrexit will grow from strength to strength from this point forward and we will start to see concerted cross party action to highlight the folly of Brexit. Time is on the side of the #stopbrexit campaign and across the country the sentiment is split virtually 50/50. #stopbrexit will never convert the committed racists, extremists and ideologists but as is often said, not everyone who voted Leave falls into those categories. #stopbrexit needs to win over a small majority of normal voters who will realise over the next couple of years that they were fed a spoonful of lies by Johnson, Gove and Farage and that will become apparent as the trio continue to make arses of themselves on the political stage. #stopnrexit is here to stay and with cross party allegiances growing, it will be source of constant irritation to foaming Brexiters as the ground they stand on starts to ever so slowly crumble away. We,ll see come March if La Pen wins the EU is DOOMED.
The EU will not be doomed. It will evolve and it will change and like all countries and alleigencies it will adapt to changing sentiment and attitudes.
The EU will never simply collapse and disappear and really no-one should even be hoping for that as such a cataclysmic effect would be catastrophic for everyone, not least the UK.
The UK could and should be at the helm of the EU shaping its future and plotting its direction instead of running home and hiding under the bed.
Well, Mr Cameron tried and didn't make much headway, did he?
Cameron was politically inept......"Possibly. You could, of course, make the very same allegation against the EU, could you not? | |||
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"I think that #stopbrexit will grow from strength to strength from this point forward and we will start to see concerted cross party action to highlight the folly of Brexit. Time is on the side of the #stopbrexit campaign and across the country the sentiment is split virtually 50/50. #stopbrexit will never convert the committed racists, extremists and ideologists but as is often said, not everyone who voted Leave falls into those categories. #stopbrexit needs to win over a small majority of normal voters who will realise over the next couple of years that they were fed a spoonful of lies by Johnson, Gove and Farage and that will become apparent as the trio continue to make arses of themselves on the political stage. #stopnrexit is here to stay and with cross party allegiances growing, it will be source of constant irritation to foaming Brexiters as the ground they stand on starts to ever so slowly crumble away. We,ll see come March if La Pen wins the EU is DOOMED.
The EU will not be doomed. It will evolve and it will change and like all countries and alleigencies it will adapt to changing sentiment and attitudes.
The EU will never simply collapse and disappear and really no-one should even be hoping for that as such a cataclysmic effect would be catastrophic for everyone, not least the UK.
The UK could and should be at the helm of the EU shaping its future and plotting its direction instead of running home and hiding under the bed.
Well, Mr Cameron tried and didn't make much headway, did he?
Cameron was politically inept......
Possibly. You could, of course, make the very same allegation against the EU, could you not?"I think arrogant would be more appropriate. They thought that the British people could be scared and brow beaten into voting to remain so wouldn't give or change anything. It well and truly bit them on the arse and Schulz was the first victim, but he wont be the last. | |||
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"Also significant, in my eyes, is the fact the Labour candidate polled so few votes he lost his deposit. The candidate for the official opposition lost their deposit. Jesus. It isn't traditionally a strong labour seat. It's the Lib Dems and the Tories who rule the roost there, and have done for decades. Politcal parties who are running in a seat that they have no chance of winning will put in a person who is politically charismatic or young and just starting out on their political career. They use them to increase the swing vote and build from there in the hope that in a few elections time they will get the seat. It's playing the long game. I saw the Labour candidate who stood in Richmond last night on telly. He was neither young or charismatic. "He was memorable enough...but not enough to swing votes to win a seat, I guess.
He was pro Heathrow, wasn't he? Well, he wasn't going to get many votes.
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"Also significant, in my eyes, is the fact the Labour candidate polled so few votes he lost his deposit. The candidate for the official opposition lost their deposit. Jesus. It isn't traditionally a strong labour seat. It's the Lib Dems and the Tories who rule the roost there, and have done for decades. Politcal parties who are running in a seat that they have no chance of winning will put in a person who is politically charismatic or young and just starting out on their political career. They use them to increase the swing vote and build from there in the hope that in a few elections time they will get the seat. It's playing the long game. Of course it's not a seat that Labour would ever come anywhere near winning but for the Labour candidate to lose their deposit is significant, in my view. That means they got less than 5% of the votes. Less than 5%! Purely tactical voting from the relatively small number of traditional Labour voters in Richmond.....anything it took to overthrow the trust-fund Tory. " Yup. Also if you throw the London Mayoral Election debacle into the mix, it didn't look good for him. There was a lot of disapproval over that. They'd probably carried over the tactical voting from the mayoral to parliamentary elections. | |||
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"Proof that Cameron jumped the gun on the timing of the promised referendum, a much reformed EU is likely to come out of political change in Europe....and we will be left looking in the window from the cold outside." So who caused this sudden possible change in thinking from the top eu bods? In tens years time the people of europe may well look back and thank the UK for kick starting the change to a better eu more like the old common market, no more euro parliament and central control | |||
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"Proof that Cameron jumped the gun on the timing of the promised referendum, a much reformed EU is likely to come out of political change in Europe....and we will be left looking in the window from the cold outside. So who caused this sudden possible change in thinking from the top eu bods? In tens years time the people of europe may well look back and thank the UK for kick starting the change to a better eu more like the old common market, no more euro parliament and central control" This is true to a degree other than we are not really big part players in the EU because we have been stood on the sidelines shouting rather than being in the thick of it. The Brexit referendum vote may be seen as the first drops of a new waterfull but it will be Germany, France and Italy that will break the dam. | |||
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"Proof that Cameron jumped the gun on the timing of the promised referendum, a much reformed EU is likely to come out of political change in Europe....and we will be left looking in the window from the cold outside. So who caused this sudden possible change in thinking from the top eu bods? In tens years time the people of europe may well look back and thank the UK for kick starting the change to a better eu more like the old common market, no more euro parliament and central control This is true to a degree other than we are not really big part players in the EU because we have been stood on the sidelines shouting rather than being in the thick of it. The Brexit referendum vote may be seen as the first drops of a new waterfull but it will be Germany, France and Italy that will break the dam." On the sidelines shouting? Really? How about, "The UK is about to hold a referendum on whether to remain in the EU and it is clear that our citizens are disillusioned with many policies. What concessions will you give?" That was not sitting on the sidelines. | |||
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"Proof that Cameron jumped the gun on the timing of the promised referendum, a much reformed EU is likely to come out of political change in Europe....and we will be left looking in the window from the cold outside. So who caused this sudden possible change in thinking from the top eu bods? In tens years time the people of europe may well look back and thank the UK for kick starting the change to a better eu more like the old common market, no more euro parliament and central control This is true to a degree other than we are not really big part players in the EU because we have been stood on the sidelines shouting rather than being in the thick of it. The Brexit referendum vote may be seen as the first drops of a new waterfull but it will be Germany, France and Italy that will break the dam." And maybe sooner than you think. | |||
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"It proves that in a general election the Brexiters woulf win as this vote was in a strong remain area, The elected MP is a traitor and should be put in prison anyway as she admits she wants us to stay in the EU. A lot of these southerners do not care about the will of the people they are selfish pigs no wonder there is such a devide between the north and the south. Possibly the most hilarious post I've seen in this forum for months....." Glad it made you laugh but as you know the best humour is based on truth | |||
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"It proves that in a general election the Brexiters woulf win as this vote was in a strong remain area, The elected MP is a traitor and should be put in prison anyway as she admits she wants us to stay in the EU. A lot of these southerners do not care about the will of the people they are selfish pigs no wonder there is such a devide between the north and the south. Possibly the most hilarious post I've seen in this forum for months.....Glad it made you laugh but as you know the best humour is based on truth" My constituency voted Remain, there's no north/south divide. Shame you fell for the twaddle peddled by a south-dwelling former London commodities trader harking back to a vision of village green little England that has nothing whatsoever to do with the North. And in doing so have stripped the North of the funding which aimed to redress some of that balance. Good luck getting that out of the current government who are set on a path of removing needs-based distribution from every funding source they can. That's the truth. | |||
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"It proves that in a general election the Brexiters woulf win as this vote was in a strong remain area, The elected MP is a traitor and should be put in prison anyway as she admits she wants us to stay in the EU. A lot of these southerners do not care about the will of the people they are selfish pigs no wonder there is such a devide between the north and the south. Possibly the most hilarious post I've seen in this forum for months.....Glad it made you laugh but as you know the best humour is based on truth My constituency voted Remain, there's no north/south divide. Shame you fell for the twaddle peddled by a south-dwelling former London commodities trader harking back to a vision of village green little England that has nothing whatsoever to do with the North. And in doing so have stripped the North of the funding which aimed to redress some of that balance. Good luck getting that out of the current government who are set on a path of removing needs-based distribution from every funding source they can. That's the truth. " Why do you think Brexiters fell for Mr Garage's twaddle? I didn't. | |||
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"It proves that in a general election the Brexiters woulf win as this vote was in a strong remain area, The elected MP is a traitor and should be put in prison anyway as she admits she wants us to stay in the EU. A lot of these southerners do not care about the will of the people they are selfish pigs no wonder there is such a devide between the north and the south. Possibly the most hilarious post I've seen in this forum for months.....Glad it made you laugh but as you know the best humour is based on truth My constituency voted Remain, there's no north/south divide. Shame you fell for the twaddle peddled by a south-dwelling former London commodities trader harking back to a vision of village green little England that has nothing whatsoever to do with the North. And in doing so have stripped the North of the funding which aimed to redress some of that balance. Good luck getting that out of the current government who are set on a path of removing needs-based distribution from every funding source they can. That's the truth. Why do you think Brexiters fell for Mr Garage's twaddle? I didn't." Good for you. Previous comments by that poster. | |||
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"It proves that in a general election the Brexiters woulf win as this vote was in a strong remain area, The elected MP is a traitor and should be put in prison anyway as she admits she wants us to stay in the EU. A lot of these southerners do not care about the will of the people they are selfish pigs no wonder there is such a devide between the north and the south. Possibly the most hilarious post I've seen in this forum for months.....Glad it made you laugh but as you know the best humour is based on truth" Not truth....delusion, tinged with nastiness and an element of envy. | |||
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"Farage owns a family house in North Kent not far from where were we still own a property, it's far from working class in that area.....like many of his ilk he stirs up the working class to falsify the impression that he's just an 'Ordinary Bloke', which he clearly isn't and never has been. Drinking a pint in the local pub and puffing a cigarette outside of the European Patrliament is all part of his effort to appeal to the man in the street, He's a phoney and a hypocrite....." So you are judging Farage by where he lives but you openly admitted you also have a house in the same area. You said "like many of his ilk", does that include you then if you have a house in the same area. | |||
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"Farage owns a family house in North Kent not far from where were we still own a property, it's far from working class in that area.....like many of his ilk he stirs up the working class to falsify the impression that he's just an 'Ordinary Bloke', which he clearly isn't and never has been. Drinking a pint in the local pub and puffing a cigarette outside of the European Patrliament is all part of his effort to appeal to the man in the street, He's a phoney and a hypocrite..... So you are judging Farage by where he lives but you openly admitted you also have a house in the same area. You said "like many of his ilk", does that include you then if you have a house in the same area. " champagne socialist? Typical Labour supporter? Typical hypocrite? | |||
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"Farage owns a family house in North Kent not far from where were we still own a property, it's far from working class in that area.....like many of his ilk he stirs up the working class to falsify the impression that he's just an 'Ordinary Bloke', which he clearly isn't and never has been. Drinking a pint in the local pub and puffing a cigarette outside of the European Patrliament is all part of his effort to appeal to the man in the street, He's a phoney and a hypocrite..... So you are judging Farage by where he lives but you openly admitted you also have a house in the same area. You said "like many of his ilk", does that include you then if you have a house in the same area. " A house recently inherited by my wife from an elderly relative, and to be passed on to our children when we retire..... | |||
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"Farage owns a family house in North Kent not far from where were we still own a property, it's far from working class in that area.....like many of his ilk he stirs up the working class to falsify the impression that he's just an 'Ordinary Bloke', which he clearly isn't and never has been. Drinking a pint in the local pub and puffing a cigarette outside of the European Patrliament is all part of his effort to appeal to the man in the street, He's a phoney and a hypocrite..... So you are judging Farage by where he lives but you openly admitted you also have a house in the same area. You said "like many of his ilk", does that include you then if you have a house in the same area. champagne socialist? Typical Labour supporter? Typical hypocrite?" We both grew up on Council estates in South London to working class parents, who worked very hard to give us a decent education.....so you can scoff as much as you like, everything we had until Jane recently inherited this house in question has been worked for.....we will use it to give our own children a leg up. | |||
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"Farage owns a family house in North Kent not far from where were we still own a property, it's far from working class in that area.....like many of his ilk he stirs up the working class to falsify the impression that he's just an 'Ordinary Bloke', which he clearly isn't and never has been. Drinking a pint in the local pub and puffing a cigarette outside of the European Patrliament is all part of his effort to appeal to the man in the street, He's a phoney and a hypocrite..... So you are judging Farage by where he lives but you openly admitted you also have a house in the same area. You said "like many of his ilk", does that include you then if you have a house in the same area. A house recently inherited by my wife from an elderly relative, and to be passed on to our children when we retire....." How do you know Farage didn't inherit that house from family? Do you have inside knowledge of all his private affairs now? | |||
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"Farage owns a family house in North Kent not far from where were we still own a property, it's far from working class in that area.....like many of his ilk he stirs up the working class to falsify the impression that he's just an 'Ordinary Bloke', which he clearly isn't and never has been. Drinking a pint in the local pub and puffing a cigarette outside of the European Patrliament is all part of his effort to appeal to the man in the street, He's a phoney and a hypocrite....." ....so who do you blame for the rape and sometimes murder of women and children across Europe by immigrants.. Who do you blame when women in countries like ltaly, Germany and Sweden say they don't feel safe anymore.. Who do you blame for the mess that is the middle east, where innocent women and children are bomb in their own homelands...so much evil is going on in this world and you think ukip,farage and trump are the problem. | |||
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"Farage owns a family house in North Kent not far from where were we still own a property, it's far from working class in that area.....like many of his ilk he stirs up the working class to falsify the impression that he's just an 'Ordinary Bloke', which he clearly isn't and never has been. Drinking a pint in the local pub and puffing a cigarette outside of the European Patrliament is all part of his effort to appeal to the man in the street, He's a phoney and a hypocrite..... So you are judging Farage by where he lives but you openly admitted you also have a house in the same area. You said "like many of his ilk", does that include you then if you have a house in the same area. A house recently inherited by my wife from an elderly relative, and to be passed on to our children when we retire..... How do you know Farage didn't inherit that house from family? Do you have inside knowledge of all his private affairs now? " He did...... | |||
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"Farage owns a family house in North Kent not far from where were we still own a property, it's far from working class in that area.....like many of his ilk he stirs up the working class to falsify the impression that he's just an 'Ordinary Bloke', which he clearly isn't and never has been. Drinking a pint in the local pub and puffing a cigarette outside of the European Patrliament is all part of his effort to appeal to the man in the street, He's a phoney and a hypocrite..... So you are judging Farage by where he lives but you openly admitted you also have a house in the same area. You said "like many of his ilk", does that include you then if you have a house in the same area. champagne socialist? Typical Labour supporter? Typical hypocrite? We both grew up on Council estates in South London to working class parents, who worked very hard to give us a decent education.....so you can scoff as much as you like, everything we had until Jane recently inherited this house in question has been worked for.....we will use it to give our own children a leg up." Like the new leader of ukip Paul Nuttal then who grew up on a council estate in Liverpool to working class parents who worked hard to give him a decent education.  | |||
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"Farage owns a family house in North Kent not far from where were we still own a property, it's far from working class in that area.....like many of his ilk he stirs up the working class to falsify the impression that he's just an 'Ordinary Bloke', which he clearly isn't and never has been. Drinking a pint in the local pub and puffing a cigarette outside of the European Patrliament is all part of his effort to appeal to the man in the street, He's a phoney and a hypocrite..... So you are judging Farage by where he lives but you openly admitted you also have a house in the same area. You said "like many of his ilk", does that include you then if you have a house in the same area. champagne socialist? Typical Labour supporter? Typical hypocrite? We both grew up on Council estates in South London to working class parents, who worked very hard to give us a decent education.....so you can scoff as much as you like, everything we had until Jane recently inherited this house in question has been worked for.....we will use it to give our own children a leg up." you 'still' have a house that you 'recently' inherited? Fair enough. Though I don't know how any Liberal DEMOCRAT supporter can call anyone a hypocrite | |||
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"Farage owns a family house in North Kent not far from where were we still own a property, it's far from working class in that area.....like many of his ilk he stirs up the working class to falsify the impression that he's just an 'Ordinary Bloke', which he clearly isn't and never has been. Drinking a pint in the local pub and puffing a cigarette outside of the European Patrliament is all part of his effort to appeal to the man in the street, He's a phoney and a hypocrite.........so who do you blame for the rape and sometimes murder of women and children across Europe by immigrants.. Who do you blame when women in countries like ltaly, Germany and Sweden say they don't feel safe anymore.. Who do you blame for the mess that is the middle east, where innocent women and children are bomb in their own homelands...so much evil is going on in this world and you think ukip,farage and trump are the problem. " whos doing the bombing ? russia the usa us ? the middle east is a mess we have helped create we reap what we sow | |||
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"It proves that in a general election the Brexiters woulf win as this vote was in a strong remain area, The elected MP is a traitor and should be put in prison anyway as she admits she wants us to stay in the EU. A lot of these southerners do not care about the will of the people they are selfish pigs no wonder there is such a devide between the north and the south. Possibly the most hilarious post I've seen in this forum for months.....Glad it made you laugh but as you know the best humour is based on truth My constituency voted Remain, there's no north/south divide. Shame you fell for the twaddle peddled by a south-dwelling former London commodities trader harking back to a vision of village green little England that has nothing whatsoever to do with the North. And in doing so have stripped the North of the funding which aimed to redress some of that balance. Good luck getting that out of the current government who are set on a path of removing needs-based distribution from every funding source they can. Where did that funding come from in the first place? That's the truth. " | |||
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"Farage owns a family house in North Kent not far from where were we still own a property, it's far from working class in that area.....like many of his ilk he stirs up the working class to falsify the impression that he's just an 'Ordinary Bloke', which he clearly isn't and never has been. Drinking a pint in the local pub and puffing a cigarette outside of the European Patrliament is all part of his effort to appeal to the man in the street, He's a phoney and a hypocrite.........so who do you blame for the rape and sometimes murder of women and children across Europe by immigrants.. Who do you blame when women in countries like ltaly, Germany and Sweden say they don't feel safe anymore.. Who do you blame for the mess that is the middle east, where innocent women and children are bomb in their own homelands...so much evil is going on in this world and you think ukip,farage and trump are the problem. whos doing the bombing ? russia the usa us ? the middle east is a mess we have helped create we reap what we sow " .... But why should the public reap what politicians have created ..over million people marched through London against these wars..but did the politicians listen to us..did they hell..I've worked out who the evil ones are in this world. | |||
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"If you think the Lib Dems should be proud , listen to the interview on talk radio today with Julie Hartly Brewer ! They have nowt to be proud of ! " Please enlighten us further | |||
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"Farage owns a family house in North Kent not far from where were we still own a property, it's far from working class in that area.....like many of his ilk he stirs up the working class to falsify the impression that he's just an 'Ordinary Bloke', which he clearly isn't and never has been. Drinking a pint in the local pub and puffing a cigarette outside of the European Patrliament is all part of his effort to appeal to the man in the street, He's a phoney and a hypocrite....." However his wealth or class background are entirely irrelevant . He appeals to many people because he works really hard and is able to communicate well with people . I dont not think that his supporters are in the slightest bit bothered about either his class background or his wealth. What matter is that he treats his supporters with respect and they in turn respect him. Hypocrite seems to be a very common word in your vocabulory. You have also applied it to two very successfull companies .Namely Dyson and JCB. | |||
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"Richmond is a wealthy and utterly Conservative constituency that Brexit traitor Goldsmith had a majority of 23,000. On an entirely anti Brexit ticket, the Lib Dems turned over a 23,000 deficit into a 2,000 majority last night. #stopbrexit is trending and the LibDems are back. The closest demographic to Richmond is Maidstone and the MP for Maidstone is none other than Theresa May. If the UK is truly equally divided over Brexit and the LibDems can pull off such an astonishing reversal perhaps a general election would not be so unwelcome if the LibDems are fighting on an anti Brexit ticket and have almost guaranteed support from Scotland and N Ireland. Are you listening Theresa?" The result is exactly as expected Not many people would vote for Zac Goldsmith because in addition to abandoning his own party , he opposed expansion at Heathrow and also supported Tom Watson over various remarks that he ( Tom Watson ) made over false allegations of child abuse made by a mentally disturbed individual called Nick against various politician. The result was exactly as expected as it was a pro remain constituency in any event . | |||
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" Not many people would vote for Zac Goldsmith because in addition to abandoning his own party , he opposed expansion at Heathrow and also supported Tom Watson over various remarks that he ( Tom Watson ) made over false allegations of child abuse made by a mentally disturbed individual called Nick against various politician. The result was exactly as expected as it was a pro remain constituency in any event ." If the result was as expected, why didn't the Conservates field a candidate? Could it becausecas was said by many here when he resigned that he would rejoin the Conservatives later after he had won the seat back as an Indepwndant and proved his point? The LibDems should be quite rightly praised for turning over Goldsmiths 23,000 majority and proving that they are back in business. Please remember that the referendum was a 50/50 split to all intents and purposes and as it stands, the ZlibDems are the only party selling a wholly pro Remain ticket. With Labour crumbling and the Tories off on a far right vacation the centre ground is there for the taking. | |||
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" Not many people would vote for Zac Goldsmith because in addition to abandoning his own party , he opposed expansion at Heathrow and also supported Tom Watson over various remarks that he ( Tom Watson ) made over false allegations of child abuse made by a mentally disturbed individual called Nick against various politician. The result was exactly as expected as it was a pro remain constituency in any event . If the result was as expected, why didn't the Conservates field a candidate? Could it becausecas was said by many here when he resigned that he would rejoin the Conservatives later after he had won the seat back as an Indepwndant and proved his point? The LibDems should be quite rightly praised for turning over Goldsmiths 23,000 majority and proving that they are back in business. Please remember that the referendum was a 50/50 split to all intents and purposes and as it stands, the ZlibDems are the only party selling a wholly pro Remain ticket. With Labour crumbling and the Tories off on a far right vacation the centre ground is there for the taking." The Lib dems back in business? Lmao.
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" The Lib dems back in business? Lmao.
How many MP's do they have now after this bi election? Ah yes, the grand total of 9, lol. "You do know that you can only win one seat at a by election. They were slaughtered at the last election but they are now targeting a vacated middle ground and turning over a 23,000 deficit is no mean feat. So yes indeed they are back in business but regrettably until the next GE they can only win one seat at a time. | |||
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" How many MP's do they have now after this bi election? Ah yes, the grand total of 9, lol. "that would still be 8 more than ukip have.......
does this also mean you have the acknowledge that the SNP are 56 times more powerful than UKIP? that must stick in your throat......
anyway back to the topic...
I think you see a couple of things here....
1) the staunch and hardest brexiters in the tory party are going to make life much harder for those sitting tory mp is places where remain won.....
2) the progessive left can win in places against the tories and ukip IF they don't step on each others shoes.... for example, in this by-election the green party didn't run a candidate and told their supporters to vote lib dem....
3) you can absolutely forget about any early election now!!! with a working majority of 15 now... and if this kind of result was to happen across the country you'd see a fair few new tories in traditionally yellow area's (the south west for example... posh surburban london) losing seats....
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" How many MP's do they have now after this bi election? Ah yes, the grand total of 9, lol.
that would still be 8 more than ukip have.......
does this also mean you have the acknowledge that the SNP are 56 times more powerful than UKIP? that must stick in your throat......
anyway back to the topic...
I think you see a couple of things here....
1) the staunch and hardest brexiters in the tory party are going to make life much harder for those sitting tory mp is places where remain won.....
2) the progessive left can win in places against the tories and ukip IF they don't step on each others shoes.... for example, in this by-election the green party didn't run a candidate and told their supporters to vote lib dem....
3) you can absolutely forget about any early election now!!! with a working majority of 15 now... and if this kind of result was to happen across the country you'd see a fair few new tories in traditionally yellow area's (the south west for example... posh surburban london) losing seats....
if UKIP are going after labour in the north, then the Lib dems will become main opposition to the conservatives in southern england outside the cities....."Lib dems maybe 8 MP's more than ukip but still more than 100 less than the tories.
As far as sticking in the throat goes ukip are still on 11% overall in the polls, while the Lib dems wallow on 8%, so maybe that sticks in your throat a bit.
It's laughable how Remainers appear to be wetting themselves over this Richmond result. So a Remain candidate won a seat in a constituency that voted around 70% for Remain, no shit sherlock, tell us all something we didn't know would happen.
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"So if they vote remain there an MP of principle!. But zak goldsmith is a traitor for going with his principles?. . The lib Dems picked a good fight and won, well done. It's hardly going to replicate it's actions on a country wide basis though. " I wouldn't bank on that. There are millions of normally Conservative voters who will quite happily vote LibDem if it will stop BREXIT, even if it would make BREXIT less hard. There might even be some who would vote Labour for the same reason, if only they didn't have JC in charge. No one likes having their rights taken away, especially when it's also going to make them poorer to. | |||
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" How many MP's do they have now after this bi election? Ah yes, the grand total of 9, lol.
that would still be 8 more than ukip have.......
does this also mean you have the acknowledge that the SNP are 56 times more powerful than UKIP? that must stick in your throat......
anyway back to the topic...
I think you see a couple of things here....
1) the staunch and hardest brexiters in the tory party are going to make life much harder for those sitting tory mp is places where remain won.....
2) the progessive left can win in places against the tories and ukip IF they don't step on each others shoes.... for example, in this by-election the green party didn't run a candidate and told their supporters to vote lib dem....
3) you can absolutely forget about any early election now!!! with a working majority of 15 now... and if this kind of result was to happen across the country you'd see a fair few new tories in traditionally yellow area's (the south west for example... posh surburban london) losing seats....
if UKIP are going after labour in the north, then the Lib dems will become main opposition to the conservatives in southern england outside the cities.....
Lib dems maybe 8 MP's more than ukip but still more than 100 less than the tories.
As far as sticking in the throat goes ukip are still on 11% overall in the polls, while the Lib dems wallow on 8%, so maybe that sticks in your throat a bit.
It's laughable how Remainers appear to be wetting themselves over this Richmond result. So a Remain candidate won a seat in a constituency that voted around 70% for Remain, no shit sherlock, tell us all something we didn't know would happen.
In constituencies that voted Leave in the EU referendum the Lib dems will be annihilated and you know it. "Nah! They don't know it at all. Too busy sticking their fingers in their ears and singing lalala. | |||
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" It's laughable how Remainers appear to be wetting themselves over this Richmond result. So a Remain candidate won a seat in a constituency that voted around 70% for Remain, no shit sherlock, tell us all something we didn't know would happen.
In constituencies that voted Leave in the EU referendum the Lib dems will be annihilated and you know it. "after the last election the lib dems aren't defending in places like that now..... call that a quirk if you will but there are about 30 tory mp's now sitting in seats where remain got 55% of the vote or more..... which means the more conservatives of the further right of the party push for hard brexit.... the more valnurable those 30 become to the same sort of backlash that happened in richmond... and with a majority of 13 now..... those people in their own party could almost be seen as their own worst enemy... | |||
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"It really is quite ironic of all the remoaners gloating about the result of the richmond by-election... Lib-dems got a 49.7% vote of a 53% turnout.... and are saying they have a 'clear anti-brexit' mandate... Brexit got a 52% vote of a 72% turnout... and yet remaoaners say that this is 'no mandate' for Brexit. " The double standards displayed by Remainers really are astonishing. | |||
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"Richmond is a wealthy and utterly Conservative constituency that Brexit traitor Goldsmith had a majority of 23,000. On an entirely anti Brexit ticket, the Lib Dems turned over a 23,000 deficit into a 2,000 majority last night. #stopbrexit is trending and the LibDems are back. The closest demographic to Richmond is Maidstone and the MP for Maidstone is none other than Theresa May. If the UK is truly equally divided over Brexit and the LibDems can pull off such an astonishing reversal perhaps a general election would not be so unwelcome if the LibDems are fighting on an anti Brexit ticket and have almost guaranteed support from Scotland and N Ireland. Are you listening Theresa?" Yeah, preach ! | |||
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" How many MP's do they have now after this bi election? Ah yes, the grand total of 9, lol.
that would still be 8 more than ukip have.......
does this also mean you have the acknowledge that the SNP are 56 times more powerful than UKIP? that must stick in your throat......
anyway back to the topic...
I think you see a couple of things here....
1) the staunch and hardest brexiters in the tory party are going to make life much harder for those sitting tory mp is places where remain won.....
2) the progessive left can win in places against the tories and ukip IF they don't step on each others shoes.... for example, in this by-election the green party didn't run a candidate and told their supporters to vote lib dem....
3) you can absolutely forget about any early election now!!! with a working majority of 15 now... and if this kind of result was to happen across the country you'd see a fair few new tories in traditionally yellow area's (the south west for example... posh surburban london) losing seats....
if UKIP are going after labour in the north, then the Lib dems will become main opposition to the conservatives in southern england outside the cities....."I think the lib dems can become the main challengers to the Torys in southern England within the cities that voted to remain, especially London. | |||
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" How many MP's do they have now after this bi election? Ah yes, the grand total of 9, lol.
that would still be 8 more than ukip have.......
does this also mean you have the acknowledge that the SNP are 56 times more powerful than UKIP? that must stick in your throat......
anyway back to the topic...
I think you see a couple of things here....
1) the staunch and hardest brexiters in the tory party are going to make life much harder for those sitting tory mp is places where remain won.....
2) the progessive left can win in places against the tories and ukip IF they don't step on each others shoes.... for example, in this by-election the green party didn't run a candidate and told their supporters to vote lib dem....
3) you can absolutely forget about any early election now!!! with a working majority of 15 now... and if this kind of result was to happen across the country you'd see a fair few new tories in traditionally yellow area's (the south west for example... posh surburban london) losing seats....
if UKIP are going after labour in the north, then the Lib dems will become main opposition to the conservatives in southern england outside the cities.....
I think the lib dems can become the main challengers to the Torys in southern England within the cities that voted to remain, especially London. "Not after the last time. Remember their "No tuition fees" pledge? After fooking that one, they fooked their chances for a decade. At least. | |||
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" How many MP's do they have now after this bi election? Ah yes, the grand total of 9, lol.
that would still be 8 more than ukip have.......
does this also mean you have the acknowledge that the SNP are 56 times more powerful than UKIP? that must stick in your throat......
anyway back to the topic...
I think you see a couple of things here....
1) the staunch and hardest brexiters in the tory party are going to make life much harder for those sitting tory mp is places where remain won.....
2) the progessive left can win in places against the tories and ukip IF they don't step on each others shoes.... for example, in this by-election the green party didn't run a candidate and told their supporters to vote lib dem....
3) you can absolutely forget about any early election now!!! with a working majority of 15 now... and if this kind of result was to happen across the country you'd see a fair few new tories in traditionally yellow area's (the south west for example... posh surburban london) losing seats....
if UKIP are going after labour in the north, then the Lib dems will become main opposition to the conservatives in southern england outside the cities.....
I think the lib dems can become the main challengers to the Torys in southern England within the cities that voted to remain, especially London.
Not after the last time. Remember their "No tuition fees" pledge?
After fooking that one, they fooked their chances for a decade. At least."The LibDems are the only party putting forward a consistent, continues and concentrated argument against BREXIT. While the Conservative party continues to act like UKIP light I know where my vote will be going. More importantly, there are millions of right of centre liberal minded people who have traditionally voted Conservative who feel the same way. So BREXITers have not only wrecked Britain's future, Europe's future and millions of hard working people's future across a whole continent, they've also wrecked the party most of them normally vote for. Well done guys. | |||
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" So BREXITers have not only wrecked Britain's future, Europe's future and millions of hard working people's future across a whole continent, they've also wrecked the party most of them normally vote for. Well done guys." So the EU is broken without us,strange I thought it was only us that was broken and they didnt need us | |||
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