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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

This is a policy brought by a liberal/labour party. Are they restricting the right of freedom to wear anything. Especially with religion. Or are they being practical?

They do mention it's religion neutral. So it includes helmets or any other face covering items.

Final topic for the thread... Are they being politically correct?

I think they are politically correct, the law is practical and have a point.

What if they reversed it? Like the discussion about the UKIP leader. We say we should allow Christians to practice their beliefs. But what if it breaks a law or increase risk of danger? Would you allow a law that restricted Christian beliefs if there was a good reason to?

Burka ban backed by Dutch MPs for public places - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-38149264

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I belive in freedom to practise religion.....I don't think that includes imposing your religion upon me which is what the burka does. If you wanna wear it at home that's your business.

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I'd be more than happy to do the same with any other religion.

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Politican correctness is problematic in criticism of religions only when it's main audience is coloured.... However I don't give a shit about your colour, however I do give a shit about shit ideas and Islam is a pretty shit one

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

I come from a Roman Catholic family, would the cross impose religion on people? I do wonder how people perceive it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I come from a Roman Catholic family, would the cross impose religion on people? I do wonder how people perceive it."
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If you had a giant one that covered your face or whole body then yes I'd more than happily ban you from wearing it in public

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"I come from a Roman Catholic family, would the cross impose religion on people? I do wonder how people perceive it..

If you had a giant one that covered your face or whole body then yes I'd more than happily ban you from wearing it in public"

Jesus is the biggest culprit with the biggest cross.. Then the same goes for nuns and priests.

I'm just on the liberal side. I don't mind what people wear as long as it abides by law. But the JW knocking on my door in my personal space is what I don't like. My perspective of imposing religion.

But I understand your view too. So very interesting to hear.

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By *obka3Couple
over a year ago

bournemouth

Can you walk around muslim countries exposing lots of flesh,kiss in public or drink alcohol in public ?

I believe we should obey the laws of the countries we are in at the time if not then dont live there,what happens in private is different IMVHO of course

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Let's be slightly honest about it.....I don't think the majority of Muslim women wear it through choice in fact I'd say hardly any of them wear it through choice.

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On that basis I'd like to give them a hand and ban it to stop men imposing it on them.

I know it's a thin wedge, here's a man imposing his beliefs in not letting them wear it!!!!.

It's a dilemma as a liberal myself... I'd still ban it.... Like smoking most of them will slag you off in the beginning but thank you for it a few years down the line.

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The head scarf I don't have a problem with, crosses I don't have a problem with, nuns outfits I don't have a problem with.... Somebody wearing a motorcycle helmet or a burka i have a problem with

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think it's interesting that there suddenly bringing this policy in now.... After being closed down in the polls by wilder?.

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I can't remember where or who I read this from but I thought it illustrated it well.

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They were talking about religions of peace, you know there always telling us about the religions of peace?.

There's only one religion of peace, it's Jainism, jains belive that killing anything is a sin, there's no just reason to do it!.

Fundermentalist jains go to the extremes of wearing scarfes over they're mouths so they don't accidentally suck bugs into their mouths, they watch every footstep incase they tread on a worm, they filter all their water so not to drink a fly.... The more fundermentalist they get the less you have to worry about them.... fundermentalism isn't the problem the fundermentals of your religion is the problem.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

It's possibly to do with being PC. Being in a coalition, you'd have to have a good reason to pass a law.

Geert Wilders probably said the wrong thing.

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By *hetalkingstoveMan
over a year ago

London


"Let's be slightly honest about it.....I don't think the majority of Muslim women wear it through choice in fact I'd say hardly any of them wear it through choice."

That's just a convenient assumption, you have no idea if that's true.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Let's be slightly honest about it.....I don't think the majority of Muslim women wear it through choice in fact I'd say hardly any of them wear it through choice.

That's just a convenient assumption, you have no idea if that's true.

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It's an assumption based on evidence and human behaviour.

They've become more common in recent decades as Islam has become more hard-line, the religion treats women as second class citizens, sharia law treats women as second class citizens, Muslim men on the whole treat women as second class citizens

And finally as we've seen many cases, Muslims who "step out of line" are often meet with violence from Muslim extremists.... Like the Glaswegian news store owner who was murdered by a fellow Muslim for daring to wish people happy Easter, merry Xmas, shalom!!.

Wether you like it or not the fact remains that at this current time Muslims themselves are under great pressure to be good Muslims.

Draw Mohammed get killed

Wish happy xmas get killed

Go to school get killed

Go out alone get killed

Go back home and divorce to marry again..... Get raped and killed.

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If you want to play hear no evil see no evil speak no evil, by all means go ahead but you can't expect everybody else to as well

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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago

Cambridge

When it comes to Islam there is an extremely blurred line between what is cultural and what is religious. From my understanding the burka is cultural.

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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago

North West


"Let's be slightly honest about it.....I don't think the majority of Muslim women wear it through choice in fact I'd say hardly any of them wear it through choice.

That's just a convenient assumption, you have no idea if that's true.

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It's an assumption based on evidence and human behaviour.

They've become more common in recent decades as Islam has become more hard-line, the religion treats women as second class citizens, sharia law treats women as second class citizens, Muslim men on the whole treat women as second class citizens

And finally as we've seen many cases, Muslims who "step out of line" are often meet with violence from Muslim extremists.... Like the Glaswegian news store owner who was murdered by a fellow Muslim for daring to wish people happy Easter, merry Xmas, shalom!!.

Wether you like it or not the fact remains that at this current time Muslims themselves are under great pressure to be good Muslims.

Draw Mohammed get killed

Wish happy xmas get killed

Go to school get killed

Go out alone get killed

Go back home and divorce to marry again..... Get raped and killed.

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If you want to play hear no evil see no evil speak no evil, by all means go ahead but you can't expect everybody else to as well"

Almost one quarter of the population of this planet are Muslims. A small percentage of those people are Sunni salafists and they are the ones to whom you are relating.

It is a very unfair and inaccurate generalisation.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"When it comes to Islam there is an extremely blurred line between what is cultural and what is religious. From my understanding the burka is cultural."

Sounds like it gets the thumbs up from Cambridge! Islamo-Nazi members of the Islamic State and their Saudi allies are very keen on them too.

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By *illwill69uMan
over a year ago

moston

It is quite funny how things get twisted.

The burka has nothing to do with Islam. Islam like many religions demands modesty but not the extreme covering up that Arabs require of their female property. I find nothing wrong with banning a female slave garment. In fact I find it quite sickening that so many Muslim women seem to willingly embrace such a garment. But then I find it equally disturbing when I hear of battered wives refusing to leave their abusers.

I find it outrageous that so many so called educated and enlightened people are quite willing to defend the right of certain men to force women to ware a slave garment because the claim it is their religious right. I guess claiming 'magic invisible man' told me to do it to all women makes it all right in the eyes of some.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Almost one quarter of the population of this planet are Muslims. A small percentage of those people are Sunni salafists and they are the ones to whom you are relating.

It is a very unfair and inaccurate generalisation."

Unfortunately, and as you well know the Sunni Salafist Nazis are now setting the fascist agenda in many islamic countries even ones outside of the ME region which up until now have had no history of religious violence.

And instead of trying to justify fascist repression because of the sheer weight of numbers you should be mindful of the fact that IF a website like this existed in an islamic country the women on this site would be arrested for having extramarital sex and/or adultery, jailed, raped by the Sharia police and possibly executed.

Have a nice (swinging) day.

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By *ubble troubleCouple
over a year ago

Manchester

As a liberal who loves seeing women wear clothes that celebrate their heritage from whatever country, I can't stand it. It's just a symbol of oppression of women and to me it's also a big fuck-you to British society.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Just ban religion in general, solves so many problems

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By *otlovefun42Couple
over a year ago

Costa Blanca Spain...


"When it comes to Islam there is an extremely blurred line between what is cultural and what is religious. From my understanding the burka is cultural."

From memory so it may not be 100% accurate.

I remember reading somewhere that the Burka and its variations originated in Persia (Iran) long before Islam was even thought of.

Apparently wealthy merchants would cover their wives from head to toe when in public so that the peasants couldn't see the expensive clothes and jewellery underneath.

Whether religious or cultural there is no place for it in a modern society.

The Dutch, French, and Belgians along with various regions in other countries have got it right. It should be banned in public.

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By *otlovefun42Couple
over a year ago

Costa Blanca Spain...


"Just ban religion in general, solves so many problems "

No argument from here.

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By *otlovefun42Couple
over a year ago

Costa Blanca Spain...


"As a liberal who loves seeing women wear clothes that celebrate their heritage from whatever country, I can't stand it. It's just a symbol of oppression of women and to me it's also a big fuck-you to British society.

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Quite right.

However for the liberal left it must be a difficult circle to square.

For years they have (although not exclusively) championed women's rights and yet are like a rabbit frozen in the headlights when it comes to the abuse of women in Islamic communities.

The question is. Are all women equal? or are Islamic women an exception?

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"As a liberal who loves seeing women wear clothes that celebrate their heritage from whatever country, I can't stand it. It's just a symbol of oppression of women and to me it's also a big fuck-you to British society.

Quite right.

However for the liberal left it must be a difficult circle to square.

For years they have (although not exclusively) championed women's rights and yet are like a rabbit frozen in the headlights when it comes to the abuse of women in Islamic communities.

The question is. Are all women equal? or are Islamic women an exception? "

In the Netherlands women do have equal rights. But still not equal pay yet. Also they voted for the ban as a liberal country. What does that say about lefties.

Please define lefties? Thought France and Netherlands are more left. Germany is conservative right? Isn't their pet the refugees in a leftie policy?

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

Let not pet.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"As a liberal who loves seeing women wear clothes that celebrate their heritage from whatever country, I can't stand it. It's just a symbol of oppression of women and to me it's also a big fuck-you to British society.

Quite right.

However for the liberal left it must be a difficult circle to square.

For years they have (although not exclusively) championed women's rights and yet are like a rabbit frozen in the headlights when it comes to the abuse of women in Islamic communities.

The question is. Are all women equal? or are Islamic women an exception?

In the Netherlands women do have equal rights. But still not equal pay yet. Also they voted for the ban as a liberal country. What does that say about lefties.

Please define lefties? Thought France and Netherlands are more left. Germany is conservative right? Isn't their pet the refugees in a leftie policy?"

no, they let the refugees in as cheap labour. Left France and Netherlands are trying to appeal to the people who are moving in large numbers to the right

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By *isdirtygirlCouple
over a year ago

somewhere out there

Ban any form of facial / head coverings in public. Public safety has to come before any religious or cultural practice.

Him

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By *otlovefun42Couple
over a year ago

Costa Blanca Spain...


"As a liberal who loves seeing women wear clothes that celebrate their heritage from whatever country, I can't stand it. It's just a symbol of oppression of women and to me it's also a big fuck-you to British society.

Quite right.

However for the liberal left it must be a difficult circle to square.

For years they have (although not exclusively) championed women's rights and yet are like a rabbit frozen in the headlights when it comes to the abuse of women in Islamic communities.

The question is. Are all women equal? or are Islamic women an exception?

In the Netherlands women do have equal rights. But still not equal pay yet. Also they voted for the ban as a liberal country. What does that say about lefties.

Please define lefties? Thought France and Netherlands are more left. Germany is conservative right? Isn't their pet the refugees in a leftie policy?"

We will see how far left the French and Dutch are in the spring.

The French ban goes back to the days of (centre right) Sarkozi.

Merkel is the strange one. Her early background is East German communist, there are even rumours that she was Stasi and at least one old photo of her in military fatigues from the time, but later she was a protegee of conservative Helmut Kohl.

Her open door policy is seen (in Germany anyway) as nothing more than an ego trip. Mama Merkel saves the world and all that.

She hoped that she could cajole other EU countries into accepting a sizeable chunk but now that has bitten her on the arse, and with an election coming, she is now backtracking faster than an Italian tank.

She has already announced that 100,000 Afghans are going to be sent back and I expect more to follow as September looms.

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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago

Cambridge


"Ban any form of facial / head coverings in public. Public safety has to come before any religious or cultural practice.

Him"

It has nothing to do with safety, its just because it makes some people feel uncomfortable.

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By *otlovefun42Couple
over a year ago

Costa Blanca Spain...


"As a liberal who loves seeing women wear clothes that celebrate their heritage from whatever country, I can't stand it. It's just a symbol of oppression of women and to me it's also a big fuck-you to British society.

Quite right.

However for the liberal left it must be a difficult circle to square.

For years they have (although not exclusively) championed women's rights and yet are like a rabbit frozen in the headlights when it comes to the abuse of women in Islamic communities.

The question is. Are all women equal? or are Islamic women an exception?

In the Netherlands women do have equal rights. But still not equal pay yet. Also they voted for the ban as a liberal country. What does that say about lefties.

Please define lefties? Thought France and Netherlands are more left. Germany is conservative right? Isn't their pet the refugees in a leftie policy?

no, they let the refugees in as cheap labour. Left France and Netherlands are trying to appeal to the people who are moving in large numbers to the right"

Not quite sure about the cheap labour bit.

The vast majority of this and last years influx are still on benefits.

Yes I have noticed that some of the left wing parties are adopting some right wing policies recently. I'm sure Hollande wouldn't have sanctioned bulldozing the Jungle without an election on the horizon.

Ditto the Dutch Burka ban.

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By *illwill69uMan
over a year ago

moston


"It has nothing to do with safety, its just because it makes some people feel uncomfortable."

Actually, that is not so.

There are multiple cases where law enforcement across many countries acknowledge that male Islamic Fundamentalists have used burkas to evade detection prior to terrorist attacks and afterwards to apprehension. There are also many cases of suicide bombers hiding their bombs under burkas.

Those two issues qualify as public safety and justify banning the burka in all public spaces.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Let's be slightly honest about it.....I don't think the majority of Muslim women wear it through choice in fact I'd say hardly any of them wear it through choice.

That's just a convenient assumption, you have no idea if that's true.

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It's an assumption based on evidence and human behaviour.

They've become more common in recent decades as Islam has become more hard-line, the religion treats women as second class citizens, sharia law treats women as second class citizens, Muslim men on the whole treat women as second class citizens

And finally as we've seen many cases, Muslims who "step out of line" are often meet with violence from Muslim extremists.... Like the Glaswegian news store owner who was murdered by a fellow Muslim for daring to wish people happy Easter, merry Xmas, shalom!!.

Wether you like it or not the fact remains that at this current time Muslims themselves are under great pressure to be good Muslims.

Draw Mohammed get killed

Wish happy xmas get killed

Go to school get killed

Go out alone get killed

Go back home and divorce to marry again..... Get raped and killed.

.

If you want to play hear no evil see no evil speak no evil, by all means go ahead but you can't expect everybody else to as well

Almost one quarter of the population of this planet are Muslims. A small percentage of those people are Sunni salafists and they are the ones to whom you are relating.

It is a very unfair and inaccurate generalisation."
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That unfortunately is just not true, yes the sunnis are currently the problematic terrorists but if it were just Sunnis then you wouldn't see the problems in Iran Lebanon Malaysia Egypt Morocco Libya Algeria Nigeria.

Even Malaysia which is counted as a bastion of liberal Islam 30% of men think women should be stoned for adultery, I mean were not regressing a few decades here were taking 500 year old attitudes.

The very word islamaphobia is just liberal bollocks, what an irrational fear of Islam.

An irrational fear of spiders maybe, flying yeah.... Islam as a concept in the 21st century is the mother load of bad ideas, it's a science denying, misogynistic, backwards, rape culture, war mongering art and book burning cult, just because a billon people belive in it alot doesn't make it good

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

And when people say it's not religious but cultural.... Well where the fuck do you think the culture came from if not 1000 years of repressive religious indoctrination?.

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By *otlovefun42Couple
over a year ago

Costa Blanca Spain...


"Let's be slightly honest about it.....I don't think the majority of Muslim women wear it through choice in fact I'd say hardly any of them wear it through choice.

That's just a convenient assumption, you have no idea if that's true.

Can't argue with that.

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It's an assumption based on evidence and human behaviour.

They've become more common in recent decades as Islam has become more hard-line, the religion treats women as second class citizens, sharia law treats women as second class citizens, Muslim men on the whole treat women as second class citizens

And finally as we've seen many cases, Muslims who "step out of line" are often meet with violence from Muslim extremists.... Like the Glaswegian news store owner who was murdered by a fellow Muslim for daring to wish people happy Easter, merry Xmas, shalom!!.

Wether you like it or not the fact remains that at this current time Muslims themselves are under great pressure to be good Muslims.

Draw Mohammed get killed

Wish happy xmas get killed

Go to school get killed

Go out alone get killed

Go back home and divorce to marry again..... Get raped and killed.

.

If you want to play hear no evil see no evil speak no evil, by all means go ahead but you can't expect everybody else to as well

Almost one quarter of the population of this planet are Muslims. A small percentage of those people are Sunni salafists and they are the ones to whom you are relating.

It is a very unfair and inaccurate generalisation..

That unfortunately is just not true, yes the sunnis are currently the problematic terrorists but if it were just Sunnis then you wouldn't see the problems in Iran Lebanon Malaysia Egypt Morocco Libya Algeria Nigeria.

Even Malaysia which is counted as a bastion of liberal Islam 30% of men think women should be stoned for adultery, I mean were not regressing a few decades here were taking 500 year old attitudes.

The very word islamaphobia is just liberal bollocks, what an irrational fear of Islam.

An irrational fear of spiders maybe, flying yeah.... Islam as a concept in the 21st century is the mother load of bad ideas, it's a science denying, misogynistic, backwards, rape culture, war mongering art and book burning cult, just because a billon people belive in it alot doesn't make it good"

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By *otlovefun42Couple
over a year ago

Costa Blanca Spain...


"And when people say it's not religious but cultural.... Well where the fuck do you think the culture came from if not 1000 years of repressive religious indoctrination?.

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I think the Burka actually pre-dates Islam but I know where you are coming from.

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By *illwill69uMan
over a year ago

moston


"And when people say it's not religious but cultural.... Well where the fuck do you think the culture came from if not 1000 years of repressive religious indoctrination?.

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In the case of the burka it goes back to antiquity (long before Islam) and has it's routes in the Arab ideas of ownership extending to humans (slavery), especially where females are concerned. Remember the same culture that gave us the burka also gave us the harem and the eunuch to guard said harem.

However I do understand your misconception, remember the same Arabs that gave us the above also gave us Judaism, Christianity and Islam. The big difference between the 3 is that the Arabs are still the guiding force behind Islam where the other 2 have moved on somewhat and lost much of their Arab brutality.

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By *anes HubbyCouple
over a year ago

Babbacombe Torquay

I'm interested in hearing what exactly offends or worries people about a simple piece of clothing?

I was very concerned when the Bay City Rollers were popular and English people insisted on dressing in anything and everything tartan.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Er ?

It Demeans Women !

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By *oyce69Man
over a year ago

Driffield

Frau Merkel wants to ban the burka now.

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By *anes HubbyCouple
over a year ago

Babbacombe Torquay


"Er ?

It Demeans Women ! "

In your white Christian mind it may seem that way, but who are we to dictate?

I find young white christian British girls of 13 years wearing micro mini skirts and walking along the high street with their titties out just as demeaning.....

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By *anes HubbyCouple
over a year ago

Babbacombe Torquay


"Frau Merkel wants to ban the burka now.

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She does, but not a total ban.....

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"As a liberal who loves seeing women wear clothes that celebrate their heritage from whatever country, I can't stand it. It's just a symbol of oppression of women and to me it's also a big fuck-you to British society.

Quite right.

However for the liberal left it must be a difficult circle to square.

For years they have (although not exclusively) championed women's rights and yet are like a rabbit frozen in the headlights when it comes to the abuse of women in Islamic communities.

The question is. Are all women equal? or are Islamic women an exception?

In the Netherlands women do have equal rights. But still not equal pay yet. Also they voted for the ban as a liberal country. What does that say about lefties.

Please define lefties? Thought France and Netherlands are more left. Germany is conservative right? Isn't their pet the refugees in a leftie policy?

We will see how far left the French and Dutch are in the spring.

The French ban goes back to the days of (centre right) Sarkozi.

Merkel is the strange one. Her early background is East German communist, there are even rumours that she was Stasi and at least one old photo of her in military fatigues from the time, but later she was a protegee of conservative Helmut Kohl.

Her open door policy is seen (in Germany anyway) as nothing more than an ego trip. Mama Merkel saves the world and all that.

She hoped that she could cajole other EU countries into accepting a sizeable chunk but now that has bitten her on the arse, and with an election coming, she is now backtracking faster than an Italian tank.

She has already announced that 100,000 Afghans are going to be sent back and I expect more to follow as September looms.

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It's not a left government. It's a coalition.

Last I heard the polls suggest the party of freedom are second.It's likely to be a coalition again.

In the last election the top party got 13 out of 75 seats. PVV need to play politics to form a coalition which is likely to have liberal or left party. Or get a bigger majority.

Like I said before anything can happen. Maybe they'll get rid of the Millions British tourists that roam the streets of Amsterdam. Bloody tourists

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By *illwill69uMan
over a year ago

moston


"I'm interested in hearing what exactly offends or worries people about a simple piece of clothing?"

Now what could worry anyone about people wearing black masks in public...

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By *otlovefun42Couple
over a year ago

Costa Blanca Spain...


"Frau Merkel wants to ban the burka now.

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Anyone would think there is an election on the horizon.

Oh wait a minute.........There is.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I'm interested in hearing what exactly offends or worries people about a simple piece of clothing?

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I dunno why did they ban kids hoodies or guys wearing motorcycle helmets or balaclavas

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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago

Cambridge


"It has nothing to do with safety, its just because it makes some people feel uncomfortable.

Actually, that is not so.

There are multiple cases where law enforcement across many countries acknowledge that male Islamic Fundamentalists have used burkas to evade detection prior to terrorist attacks and afterwards to apprehension. There are also many cases of suicide bombers hiding their bombs under burkas.

Those two issues qualify as public safety and justify banning the burka in all public spaces."

And other cases of people using rucksacks, baseball caps, hoodies, crash helmets etc, but you aren't advocating banning those are you? But as you might use of wear those things, you don't want those banned, however you're never going to wear a burka so we may as well ban it, right?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

That is good, just like france have, they have to submit and adhere to western rules.

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By *anes HubbyCouple
over a year ago

Babbacombe Torquay


"I'm interested in hearing what exactly offends or worries people about a simple piece of clothing?

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I dunno why did they ban kids hoodies or guys wearing motorcycle helmets or balaclavas"

Only in secure areas.....which is entirely understandable.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I'm interested in hearing what exactly offends or worries people about a simple piece of clothing?

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I dunno why did they ban kids hoodies or guys wearing motorcycle helmets or balaclavas

Only in secure areas.....which is entirely understandable."
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Secure areas? You can't walk round any shopping precinct anywhere round me with any of those three items being worn

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By *anes HubbyCouple
over a year ago

Babbacombe Torquay


"I'm interested in hearing what exactly offends or worries people about a simple piece of clothing?

.

I dunno why did they ban kids hoodies or guys wearing motorcycle helmets or balaclavas

Only in secure areas.....which is entirely understandable..

Secure areas? You can't walk round any shopping precinct anywhere round me with any of those three items being worn"

Relocate.....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I'm interested in hearing what exactly offends or worries people about a simple piece of clothing?

.

I dunno why did they ban kids hoodies or guys wearing motorcycle helmets or balaclavas

Only in secure areas.....which is entirely understandable..

Secure areas? You can't walk round any shopping precinct anywhere round me with any of those three items being worn

Relocate....."
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Where to Riyadh?

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By *anes HubbyCouple
over a year ago

Babbacombe Torquay

I was in Birmingham last weekend fixing up a stand at the NEC and also to visit the Christmas market amongst other things.....didn't seem so bad.

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over a year ago


"I was in Birmingham last weekend fixing up a stand at the NEC and also to visit the Christmas market amongst other things.....didn't seem so bad."
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Did you try wearing a balaclava in the town centre?

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By *anes HubbyCouple
over a year ago

Babbacombe Torquay

I was in the Bullring and in the New Street station shops (being dragged around by my shopping mad wife) and never saw any signs that stated balaclavas were banned......and why would anyone in their right mind want to wear a crash helmet around the shops?

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over a year ago


"I was in the Bullring and in the New Street station shops (being dragged around by my shopping mad wife) and never saw any signs that stated balaclavas were banned......and why would anyone in their right mind want to wear a crash helmet around the shops?

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I dunno why would anyone want to wear a burka?

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By *anes HubbyCouple
over a year ago

Babbacombe Torquay


"I was in the Bullring and in the New Street station shops (being dragged around by my shopping mad wife) and never saw any signs that stated balaclavas were banned......and why would anyone in their right mind want to wear a crash helmet around the shops?

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I dunno why would anyone want to wear a burka?"

Because it's in their culture, whereas an idiot walking around the Bullring wearing a full face crash helmet is only ever going to be an idiot.

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over a year ago


"I was in the Bullring and in the New Street station shops (being dragged around by my shopping mad wife) and never saw any signs that stated balaclavas were banned......and why would anyone in their right mind want to wear a crash helmet around the shops?

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I dunno why would anyone want to wear a burka?

Because it's in their culture, whereas an idiot walking around the Bullring wearing a full face crash helmet is only ever going to be an idiot."
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So we agree on the need to wander around with a crash helmet or balaclava on we just disagree on the need to wander around with a burka on.

As for cultural practises!! Well I'm afraid I'm all for banning lots of them, the middle East doesn't like my cultural habit of getting pissed....I respect that, so I don't go there and if I did, I wouldn't get pissed

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By *anes HubbyCouple
over a year ago

Babbacombe Torquay

The big difference being that there are over a million and a half BRITISH BORN Muslims living here.....that's people who are as British as you and me.

As such they are permitted to practice their religion in the same way as you and me.

Not withstanding the fact that even a devout Muslim would look like an idiot walking around the Bullring wearing a full face crash helmet.....

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By *anes HubbyCouple
over a year ago

Babbacombe Torquay

Incidentally, in my five or so hours being dragged around Birmingham city centre shops by my wife last weekend, I can probably count on one hand how many women I saw wearing the Burkha.....

Saw many totally westernised young Asians there though, wearing the same sorts of crap clothing as their white British counterparts....like cloned sheep in their SuperDry tops and beanie hats with little fur bbbles on

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock


"The big difference being that there are over a million and a half BRITISH BORN Muslims living here.....that's people who are as British as you and me.

As such they are permitted to practice their religion in the same way as you and me.

Not withstanding the fact that even a devout Muslim would look like an idiot walking around the Bullring wearing a full face crash helmet....."

People who wear Burkas look like idiots though. Colour blind people who are visually challenged could mistake a Burka wearer for a post box if they were standing stationary then we'd have Muslims claiming compensation for envelope to the eye injuries.

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over a year ago


"The big difference being that there are over a million and a half BRITISH BORN Muslims living here.....that's people who are as British as you and me......"

Is that a fact!? If they're just as British as you and me...why wear a burka!? That identity destroying rag has never been part of BRITISH CULTURE AND TRADITION. And your sweeping generalisation is undone by the Casey report which confirmed what we all already knew.

And it seems Europe's cultural traitor in chief Merkel has announced a U turn on her love of the burka...which amazingly coincided with the arrest of one of her Afghan 'child' guests for the rape and murder of Maria Ladenberger.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"The big difference being that there are over a million and a half BRITISH BORN Muslims living here.....that's people who are as British as you and me.

As such they are permitted to practice their religion in the same way as you and me.

Not withstanding the fact that even a devout Muslim would look like an idiot walking around the Bullring wearing a full face crash helmet....."
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You said it was culture now your saying it's religion!.

It doesn't make any difference either way, it's still not British or even western culture therefore I can happily ban it just like the middle East ban alcohol or bacon,i don't wish to impose my culture on there firmly held traditions, even if I was BORN in the middle East I still don't think they should change their culture for me?

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