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"Don't like or agree with most of the mans beliefs, but I'm sort of with him when it comes to the death penalty and his belief that the law should not force Christians (or any other religion) servicing the requirements of those who are seen as an abomination by the faith." 
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Not ALL Christians see gay people as an "abomination" as you call them. "True, but my point is why would anyone from the LGBT community want anything to do with anyone whose 'faith' considered them an "abomination". The only reason that anyone from the LGBT community would want to interact is to be deliberately provocative. Personally I say let the dog botherers get on with it provided they don't come looking to bother us. I am bisexual by the way. | |||
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" Once again, I am not asking anyone who agrees with Nuttall to come on and explain/justify/troll. Thank you." So you only want posts from people who agree with you. No differing views allowed. Castro would have been proud. For the record I don't agree with everything that Nuttall says but if he can unite the party and help to push Brexit along then more power to him. | |||
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Not ALL Christians see gay people as an "abomination" as you call them.
True, but my point is why would anyone from the LGBT community want anything to do with anyone whose 'faith' considered them an "abomination". The only reason that anyone from the LGBT community would want to interact is to be deliberately provocative. Personally I say let the dog botherers get on with it provided they don't come looking to bother us.
I am bisexual by the way. "Your talking to the wrong Christians or reading the bible the wrong way if that's what you believe they believe. | |||
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" So you only want posts from people who agree with you. No differing views allowed. Castro would have been proud. For the record I don't agree with everything that Nuttall says but if he can unite the party and help to push Brexit along then more power to him." If you had actually read the posting properly... I wrote: "Some people reading this won't find any of this troubling. OK, I get that and you are as entitled to your views as I am, but I am not asking you to explain/ justify his views here." Do keep up. | |||
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"Your talking to the wrong Christians or reading the bible the wrong way if that's what you believe they believe. " No, I am not talking to Christians of any type, I am talking about the sort of people who believe it is their right to overtly force their sexuality on those who have antipathy to LGBT's. We have endured hundreds of years of repression and victimisation. We now have the freedom to be open about our sexuality, we should be enjoying our freedom not looking to victimise those who do not approve of our sexuality. | |||
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" So you only want posts from people who agree with you. No differing views allowed. Castro would have been proud. For the record I don't agree with everything that Nuttall says but if he can unite the party and help to push Brexit along then more power to him. If you had actually read the posting properly... I wrote: "Some people reading this won't find any of this troubling. OK, I get that and you are as entitled to your views as I am, but I am not asking you to explain/ justify his views here." Do keep up." So you didn't say this then. "Once again, I am not asking anyone who agrees with Nuttall to come on and explain/justify/troll. Thank you." | |||
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"The whole point of resisting religious exceptionalism is so that people cannot cloak their hatred and bigotry in a religious mantle which then somehow makes it "wrong" or "intolerant" to criticise their intolerance. I am secularist: freedom of religion and freedom from religion." What is the muslim view of the gay world ? Or any other religions for that matter | |||
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"Scousers..... Can't live with em can't shoot em 
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"Can I bring some sense to this thread by saying Nuttall is a bigoted arse?" Yep, totally agree. But that does not mean that everything he says and supports is wrong. | |||
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"He is now the UKIP leader. He is even more right-wing than Farage. He wants to privatise the NHS, bring back the death penalty, is in favour of limiting abortions to the first 12 weeks of pregnancy, wants Christians to be able to discriminate against gays. . Some people reading this won't find any of this troubling. OK, I get that and you are as entitled to your views as I am, but I am not asking you to explain/ justify his views here. I *am* asking anyone - Left, Centre or Right - who does not share those views to get off their backsides and get involved in resisting the move to this kind of politics. And resisting does not mean posting Stewart Lee's stand-up routine about Nuttall onto Facebook or Twitter and then thinking you have done your bit. Once again, I am not asking anyone who agrees with Nuttall to come on and explain/justify/troll. Thank you."  . 1. Surely orivatising part of the service will make it more efficient and help the ill. Why would anyone not want to help the ill.
2. Who said that he wants to disciminate against the gays . Maybe he means that Christians should not be penalised for having Christian beliefs .
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"Well it looks like UKIP made a good choice, it seems to have got quite a few people running scared.... "  | |||
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"Can I bring some sense to this thread by saying Nuttall is a bigoted arse? Yep, totally agree. But that does not mean that everything he says and supports is wrong." Nah. But he is a bigotted arse. | |||
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"I still don't know what this thread is supposed to be about? ..." It's a continuation of the Trump/Farage/Brexit...hate campaign/whinge-athon. | |||
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"I still don't know what this thread is supposed to be about? ... It's a continuation of the Trump/Farage/Brexit...hate campaign/whinge-athon. " Ah, got ya | |||
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"He is now the UKIP leader. He is even more right-wing than Farage. He wants to privatise the NHS, bring back the death penalty, is in favour of limiting abortions to the first 12 weeks of pregnancy, wants Christians to be able to discriminate against gays. . Some people reading this won't find any of this troubling. OK, I get that and you are as entitled to your views as I am, but I am not asking you to explain/ justify his views here. I *am* asking anyone - Left, Centre or Right - who does not share those views to get off their backsides and get involved in resisting the move to this kind of politics. And resisting does not mean posting Stewart Lee's stand-up routine about Nuttall onto Facebook or Twitter and then thinking you have done your bit. Once again, I am not asking anyone who agrees with Nuttall to come on and explain/justify/troll. Thank you. . 1. Surely orivatising part of the service will make it more efficient and help the ill. Why would anyone not want to help the ill.
2. Who said that he wants to disciminate against the gays . Maybe he means that Christians should not be penalised for having Christian beliefs .
Britain is a Christian country "How are they penalised for their beliefs? | |||
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"He is now the UKIP leader. He is even more right-wing than Farage. He wants to privatise the NHS, bring back the death penalty, is in favour of limiting abortions to the first 12 weeks of pregnancy, wants Christians to be able to discriminate against gays. . Some people reading this won't find any of this troubling. OK, I get that and you are as entitled to your views as I am, but I am not asking you to explain/ justify his views here. I *am* asking anyone - Left, Centre or Right - who does not share those views to get off their backsides and get involved in resisting the move to this kind of politics. And resisting does not mean posting Stewart Lee's stand-up routine about Nuttall onto Facebook or Twitter and then thinking you have done your bit. Once again, I am not asking anyone who agrees with Nuttall to come on and explain/justify/troll. Thank you. . 1. Surely orivatising part of the service will make it more efficient and help the ill. Why would anyone not want to help the ill.
2. Who said that he wants to disciminate against the gays . Maybe he means that Christians should not be penalised for having Christian beliefs .
Britain is a Christian country
How are they penalised for their beliefs? "didn't some cake makers get taken to court? | |||
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"He is now the UKIP leader. He is even more right-wing than Farage. He wants to privatise the NHS, bring back the death penalty, is in favour of limiting abortions to the first 12 weeks of pregnancy, wants Christians to be able to discriminate against gays. . Some people reading this won't find any of this troubling. OK, I get that and you are as entitled to your views as I am, but I am not asking you to explain/ justify his views here. I *am* asking anyone - Left, Centre or Right - who does not share those views to get off their backsides and get involved in resisting the move to this kind of politics. And resisting does not mean posting Stewart Lee's stand-up routine about Nuttall onto Facebook or Twitter and then thinking you have done your bit. Once again, I am not asking anyone who agrees with Nuttall to come on and explain/justify/troll. Thank you. . 1. Surely orivatising part of the service will make it more efficient and help the ill. Why would anyone not want to help the ill.
2. Who said that he wants to disciminate against the gays . Maybe he means that Christians should not be penalised for having Christian beliefs .
Britain is a Christian country
How are they penalised for their beliefs?
didn't some cake makers get taken to court?"Yes Ashers Bakery for refusing to bake a gay rights cake. | |||
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"He is now the UKIP leader. He is even more right-wing than Farage. He wants to privatise the NHS, bring back the death penalty, is in favour of limiting abortions to the first 12 weeks of pregnancy, wants Christians to be able to discriminate against gays. . Some people reading this won't find any of this troubling. OK, I get that and you are as entitled to your views as I am, but I am not asking you to explain/ justify his views here. I *am* asking anyone - Left, Centre or Right - who does not share those views to get off their backsides and get involved in resisting the move to this kind of politics. And resisting does not mean posting Stewart Lee's stand-up routine about Nuttall onto Facebook or Twitter and then thinking you have done your bit. Once again, I am not asking anyone who agrees with Nuttall to come on and explain/justify/troll. Thank you. . 1. Surely orivatising part of the service will make it more efficient and help the ill. Why would anyone not want to help the ill.
2. Who said that he wants to disciminate against the gays . Maybe he means that Christians should not be penalised for having Christian beliefs .
Britain is a Christian country
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didn't some cake makers get taken to court? Yes Ashers Bakery for refusing to bake a gay rights cake. "and weren't they chosen to bake it because it was known they would refuse? | |||
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"Mate, just get back to your Leni Riefenstahl videos." Personal insults the last refuge of the absolute scoundrel. Either try to win your argument or shut up you nasty bastard. | |||
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"He is now the UKIP leader. He is even more right-wing than Farage. He wants to privatise the NHS, bring back the death penalty, is in favour of limiting abortions to the first 12 weeks of pregnancy, wants Christians to be able to discriminate against gays. . Some people reading this won't find any of this troubling. OK, I get that and you are as entitled to your views as I am, but I am not asking you to explain/ justify his views here. I *am* asking anyone - Left, Centre or Right - who does not share those views to get off their backsides and get involved in resisting the move to this kind of politics. And resisting does not mean posting Stewart Lee's stand-up routine about Nuttall onto Facebook or Twitter and then thinking you have done your bit. Once again, I am not asking anyone who agrees with Nuttall to come on and explain/justify/troll. Thank you. . 1. Surely orivatising part of the service will make it more efficient and help the ill. Why would anyone not want to help the ill.
2. Who said that he wants to disciminate against the gays . Maybe he means that Christians should not be penalised for having Christian beliefs .
Britain is a Christian country
How are they penalised for their beliefs?
didn't some cake makers get taken to court? Yes Ashers Bakery for refusing to bake a gay rights cake.
and weren't they chosen to bake it because it was known they would refuse?"I believe the guy had been a regular customer before, but I didn't follow the story all that closely so I could be mistaken. They were happy to serve the guy, and bake a cake, but they refused to write the message on top. They said that writing the message was against their beliefs, the judge said just because you write something on a cake, it doesn't mean you believe it, or support the message. That isn't anti Christian though is it? That arguement applies to all religions or belief systems. So how are Christians penalised for their beliefs? | |||
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"Mate, just get back to your Leni Riefenstahl videos. Personal insults the last refuge of the absolute scoundrel. Either try to win your argument or shut up you nasty bastard." Isn't "shut up you nasty bastard" a personal insult? | |||
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"He is now the UKIP leader. He is even more right-wing than Farage. He wants to privatise the NHS, bring back the death penalty, is in favour of limiting abortions to the first 12 weeks of pregnancy, wants Christians to be able to discriminate against gays. . Some people reading this won't find any of this troubling. OK, I get that and you are as entitled to your views as I am, but I am not asking you to explain/ justify his views here. I *am* asking anyone - Left, Centre or Right - who does not share those views to get off their backsides and get involved in resisting the move to this kind of politics. And resisting does not mean posting Stewart Lee's stand-up routine about Nuttall onto Facebook or Twitter and then thinking you have done your bit. Once again, I am not asking anyone who agrees with Nuttall to come on and explain/justify/troll. Thank you. . 1. Surely orivatising part of the service will make it more efficient and help the ill. Why would anyone not want to help the ill.
2. Who said that he wants to disciminate against the gays . Maybe he means that Christians should not be penalised for having Christian beliefs .
Britain is a Christian country
How are they penalised for their beliefs?
didn't some cake makers get taken to court? Yes Ashers Bakery for refusing to bake a gay rights cake.
and weren't they chosen to bake it because it was known they would refuse?"Yes . He knew of their beliefs . Any decent self respecting person would have accepted the bakeries Christian beliefs and gone elsewhere . Instead this chap decided to manipulate the situation for Financial Gain. A similar situation happened to some guest house owners . | |||
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"Mate, just get back to your Leni Riefenstahl videos. Personal insults the last refuge of the absolute scoundrel. Either try to win your argument or shut up you nasty bastard. Isn't "shut up you nasty bastard" a personal insult?" Was thinking the same thing | |||
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"The guy seems to think nazi salutes at a white supremacist meeting are jolly japes to wind up lefties. He deserves no respect from me." Please point out where that was said in any of that posters comments ? name calling on either side scores no points | |||
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" Please point out where that was said in any of that posters comments ? name calling on either side scores no points " It was on the The Rise of Fascism in America thread, about two-thirds down. | |||
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" Once again, I am not asking anyone who agrees with Nuttall to come on and explain/justify/troll. Thank you. So you only want posts from people who agree with you. No differing views allowed. Castro would have been proud. For the record I don't agree with everything that Nuttall says but if he can unite the party and help to push Brexit along then more power to him." | |||
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"He is now the UKIP leader. He is even more right-wing than Farage. He wants to privatise the NHS, bring back the death penalty, is in favour of limiting abortions to the first 12 weeks of pregnancy, wants Christians to be able to discriminate against gays. . Some people reading this won't find any of this troubling. OK, I get that and you are as entitled to your views as I am, but I am not asking you to explain/ justify his views here. I *am* asking anyone - Left, Centre or Right - who does not share those views to get off their backsides and get involved in resisting the move to this kind of politics. And resisting does not mean posting Stewart Lee's stand-up routine about Nuttall onto Facebook or Twitter and then thinking you have done your bit. Once again, I am not asking anyone who agrees with Nuttall to come on and explain/justify/troll. Thank you." You must be against free speech then a complete facist | |||
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"You must be against free speech then a complete facist" Yeah, I'm such a fascist so I wrote: "Some people reading this won't find any of this troubling. OK, I get that and you are as entitled to your views as I am" Anyway, since you think the Human Rights Act was disgusting, why would you be bothered if I did stop your free speech? | |||
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"You must be against free speech then a complete facist Yeah, I'm such a fascist so I wrote: "Some people reading this won't find any of this troubling. OK, I get that and you are as entitled to your views as I am" Anyway, since you think the Human Rights Act was disgusting, why would you be bothered if I did stop your free speech?" Your a right little Hitler then | |||
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"Well it looks like UKIP made a good choice, it seems to have got quite a few people running scared.... "Hahaha, yep. Paul Nuttal is from a working class background, was brought up on a council estate in Liverpool, has an electrician father, left school with average qualifications but went back to schools and ended up getting a degree in History and became a history lecturer before going into politics. He's a world away from the career PC politicians and we need more people like Paul Nuttal going into politics. Labour are completely out of touch have with traditional working class voters and many Labour MP's in the Labour heartlands in the north should be very worried at the prospect of Paul Nuttal being ukip leader. I think he will do a great job for ukip and I'm looking forward to seeing what he can achieve. | |||
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"You must be against free speech then a complete facist Yeah, I'm such a fascist so I wrote: "Some people reading this won't find any of this troubling. OK, I get that and you are as entitled to your views as I am" Anyway, since you think the Human Rights Act was disgusting, why would you be bothered if I did stop your free speech?Your a right little Hitler then" It's Nuttall that looks like Hitler! | |||
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"Well it looks like UKIP made a good choice, it seems to have got quite a few people running scared....
Hahaha, yep. Paul Nuttal is from a working class background, was brought up on a council estate in Liverpool, has an electrician father, left school with average qualifications but went back to schools and ended up getting a degree in History and became a history lecturer before going into politics. He's a world away from the career PC politicians and we need more people like Paul Nuttal going into politics. Labour are completely out of touch have with traditional working class voters and many Labour MP's in the Labour heartlands in the north should be very worried at the prospect of Paul Nuttal being ukip leader. I think he will do a great job for ukip and I'm looking forward to seeing what he can achieve. "An interesting summary of his achievements in life and thank you for providing it. | |||
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"Well it looks like UKIP made a good choice, it seems to have got quite a few people running scared....
Hahaha, yep. Paul Nuttal is from a working class background, was brought up on a council estate in Liverpool, has an electrician father... "Rumour has it he even owns a white van...the 'Labour' Party and their rich kid LSE activists will REALLY hate him! | |||
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"The guy seems to think nazi salutes at a white supremacist meeting are jolly japes to wind up lefties. He deserves no respect from me." Winding up lefties should be an Olympic sport. | |||
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"Mate, just get back to your Leni Riefenstahl videos. Personal insults the last refuge of the absolute scoundrel. Either try to win your argument or shut up you nasty bastard. Isn't "shut up you nasty bastard" a personal insult?" Throw one at me and I'll throw one back. | |||
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"Mate, just get back to your Leni Riefenstahl videos. Personal insults the last refuge of the absolute scoundrel. Either try to win your argument or shut up you nasty bastard. Isn't "shut up you nasty bastard" a personal insult? Throw one at me and I'll throw one back." Doesn't that make you a "scoundrel" then? | |||
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" Please point out where that was said in any of that posters comments ? name calling on either side scores no points It was on the The Rise of Fascism in America thread, about two-thirds down. " About a quarter way down to be precise. Just for clarity I will post it again along with the very same green smiley that I posted at the time. "The Nazi salute does still have a place in the world. Anything that can make your average tree hugging liberal puke in his/her alfalfa sprouts has to have some merit"
In the context of the thread and other comments I posted on the same thread (including one about black Friday special offers on a sense of humour) I would have thought that most people would have taken the remark in the way it was meant.
However as always in certain left wing circles you find that some people who have no real argument will pick on a small detail then bang on about it until kingdom come.
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" Please point out where that was said in any of that posters comments ? name calling on either side scores no points It was on the The Rise of Fascism in America thread, about two-thirds down. About a quarter way down to be precise. Just for clarity I will post it again along with the very same green smiley that I posted at the time. "The Nazi salute does still have a place in the world. Anything that can make your average tree hugging liberal puke in his/her alfalfa sprouts has to have some merit"
In the context of the thread and other comments I posted on the same thread (including one about black Friday special offers on a sense of humour) I would have thought that most people would have taken the remark in the way it was meant.
However as always in certain left wing circles you find that some people who have no real argument will pick on a small detail then bang on about it until kingdom come.
I apologise for nothing."So how many Nazi salutes have you given in your time? Do your German friends and neighbors find it funny? | |||
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"Mate, just get back to your Leni Riefenstahl videos. Personal insults the last refuge of the absolute scoundrel. Either try to win your argument or shut up you nasty bastard. Isn't "shut up you nasty bastard" a personal insult? Throw one at me and I'll throw one back. Doesn't that make you a "scoundrel" then? " No it makes me someone who will not sit back and let others insult me without an answer. | |||
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" Please point out where that was said in any of that posters comments ? name calling on either side scores no points It was on the The Rise of Fascism in America thread, about two-thirds down. About a quarter way down to be precise. Just for clarity I will post it again along with the very same green smiley that I posted at the time. "The Nazi salute does still have a place in the world. Anything that can make your average tree hugging liberal puke in his/her alfalfa sprouts has to have some merit"
In the context of the thread and other comments I posted on the same thread (including one about black Friday special offers on a sense of humour) I would have thought that most people would have taken the remark in the way it was meant.
However as always in certain left wing circles you find that some people who have no real argument will pick on a small detail then bang on about it until kingdom come.
I apologise for nothing.
So how many Nazi salutes have you given in your time?
Do your German friends and neighbors find it funny? "And you have just perfectly illustrated my point. Many thanks. | |||
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" Please point out where that was said in any of that posters comments ? name calling on either side scores no points It was on the The Rise of Fascism in America thread, about two-thirds down. About a quarter way down to be precise. Just for clarity I will post it again along with the very same green smiley that I posted at the time. "The Nazi salute does still have a place in the world. Anything that can make your average tree hugging liberal puke in his/her alfalfa sprouts has to have some merit"
In the context of the thread and other comments I posted on the same thread (including one about black Friday special offers on a sense of humour) I would have thought that most people would have taken the remark in the way it was meant.
However as always in certain left wing circles you find that some people who have no real argument will pick on a small detail then bang on about it until kingdom come.
I apologise for nothing."Sadly some people are unable to differentiate a joke from reality . | |||
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" Please point out where that was said in any of that posters comments ? name calling on either side scores no points It was on the The Rise of Fascism in America thread, about two-thirds down. About a quarter way down to be precise. Just for clarity I will post it again along with the very same green smiley that I posted at the time. "The Nazi salute does still have a place in the world. Anything that can make your average tree hugging liberal puke in his/her alfalfa sprouts has to have some merit"
In the context of the thread and other comments I posted on the same thread (including one about black Friday special offers on a sense of humour) I would have thought that most people would have taken the remark in the way it was meant.
However as always in certain left wing circles you find that some people who have no real argument will pick on a small detail then bang on about it until kingdom come.
I apologise for nothing. Sadly some people are unable to differentiate a joke from reality . "Nazi salutes, hilarious. | |||
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" Please point out where that was said in any of that posters comments ? name calling on either side scores no points It was on the The Rise of Fascism in America thread, about two-thirds down. About a quarter way down to be precise. Just for clarity I will post it again along with the very same green smiley that I posted at the time. "The Nazi salute does still have a place in the world. Anything that can make your average tree hugging liberal puke in his/her alfalfa sprouts has to have some merit"
In the context of the thread and other comments I posted on the same thread (including one about black Friday special offers on a sense of humour) I would have thought that most people would have taken the remark in the way it was meant.
However as always in certain left wing circles you find that some people who have no real argument will pick on a small detail then bang on about it until kingdom come.
I apologise for nothing. Sadly some people are unable to differentiate a joke from reality .
Nazi salutes, hilarious. "Mock indignation. Pathetic. | |||
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" Once again, I am not asking anyone who agrees with Nuttall to come on and explain/justify/troll. Thank you. So you only want posts from people who agree with you. No differing views allowed. Castro would have been proud. For the record I don't agree with everything that Nuttall says but if he can unite the party and help to push Brexit along then more power to him. "I do worry. If anyone wants to push the Brexit are they a perfect leader? Should we give them all the power? Would you support them no matter what they do? Hitler could have wanted to push Britain out of Europe. We should at least have some decency. | |||
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" Once again, I am not asking anyone who agrees with Nuttall to come on and explain/justify/troll. Thank you. So you only want posts from people who agree with you. No differing views allowed. Castro would have been proud. For the record I don't agree with everything that Nuttall says but if he can unite the party and help to push Brexit along then more power to him.
I do worry. If anyone wants to push the Brexit are they a perfect leader? Should we give them all the power? Would you support them no matter what they do? Hitler could have wanted to push Britain out of Europe. We should at least have some decency. "Er. There is a clue in the name. "UK Independence Party". It's a bit like saying the Green party should support more coal fired power stations and be the champions of nuclear power.  | |||
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" Er. There is a clue in the name. "UK Independence Party". It's a bit like saying the Green party should support more coal fired power stations and be the champions of nuclear power. "Ok I got you. You say as long as the leader wants independence, they can be criminals, indecent or inhumane? So no limits? Of course you can also have a democratic leader with political sense? I'll ask again but differently. What is the criteria to be Ukip leader? What characteristics? | |||
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" Er. There is a clue in the name. "UK Independence Party". It's a bit like saying the Green party should support more coal fired power stations and be the champions of nuclear power.
Ok I got you. You say as long as the leader wants independence, they can be criminals, indecent or inhumane? So no limits? Of course you can also have a democratic leader with political sense?
I'll ask again but differently. What is the criteria to be Ukip leader? What characteristics? "Do you put this level of thought into leaders of other parties? Did you question Theresa May's qualities and characteristics in tiny detail in a similar way when she became leader of the Conservative party? | |||
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" Er. There is a clue in the name. "UK Independence Party". It's a bit like saying the Green party should support more coal fired power stations and be the champions of nuclear power.
Ok I got you. You say as long as the leader wants independence, they can be criminals, indecent or inhumane? So no limits? Of course you can also have a democratic leader with political sense?
I'll ask again but differently. What is the criteria to be Ukip leader? What characteristics? "I would have thought an experienced leader who appeals to the electorate . The newly elected leader is a man of the people who was previously a history lecturer. He is also a staunch Roman Catholic. Sounds like the perfect choice of leader . | |||
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" Er. There is a clue in the name. "UK Independence Party". It's a bit like saying the Green party should support more coal fired power stations and be the champions of nuclear power.
Ok I got you. You say as long as the leader wants independence, they can be criminals, indecent or inhumane? So no limits? Of course you can also have a democratic leader with political sense?
I'll ask again but differently. What is the criteria to be Ukip leader? What characteristics?
Do you put this level of thought into leaders of other parties? Did you question Theresa May's qualities and characteristics in tiny detail in a similar way when she became leader of the Conservative party? "But he does look like Hitler though | |||
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" Er. There is a clue in the name. "UK Independence Party". It's a bit like saying the Green party should support more coal fired power stations and be the champions of nuclear power.
Ok I got you. You say as long as the leader wants independence, they can be criminals, indecent or inhumane? So no limits? Of course you can also have a democratic leader with political sense?
I'll ask again but differently. What is the criteria to be Ukip leader? What characteristics? I would have thought an experienced leader who appeals to the electorate .
The newly elected leader is a man of the people who was previously a history lecturer. He is also a staunch Roman Catholic.
Sounds like the perfect choice of leader . "How does either being a history lecturer, or being Roman Catholic make you a perfect leader? These are not qualities you would generally hear if you ask someone to list the qualities you would find in a good leader. | |||
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" Er. There is a clue in the name. "UK Independence Party". It's a bit like saying the Green party should support more coal fired power stations and be the champions of nuclear power.
Ok I got you. You say as long as the leader wants independence, they can be criminals, indecent or inhumane? So no limits? Of course you can also have a democratic leader with political sense?
I'll ask again but differently. What is the criteria to be Ukip leader? What characteristics? "The same criteria as any other party, which would be as a champion of that party's core beliefs. So would you have a Trotskyist as leader of the Tories? or a hedge fund manager as Labour leader? or the boss of a fracking company in charge of the Greens? As for Nuttall. What crime has he been convicted of? Other than as a matter of opinion where has he been indecent or inhumane? I don't share all his beliefs, I'm pretty sure I wouldn't share all of May's either, and I'm certain I share very few (if any) of Corbyn's. However I do think that Nuttall is probably the right man for the UKIP job (for now at least) and am prepared to give him a chance. | |||
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" Er. There is a clue in the name. "UK Independence Party". It's a bit like saying the Green party should support more coal fired power stations and be the champions of nuclear power.
Ok I got you. You say as long as the leader wants independence, they can be criminals, indecent or inhumane? So no limits? Of course you can also have a democratic leader with political sense?
I'll ask again but differently. What is the criteria to be Ukip leader? What characteristics?
The same criteria as any other party, which would be as a champion of that party's core beliefs.
So would you have a Trotskyist as leader of the Tories? or a hedge fund manager as Labour leader? or the boss of a fracking company in charge of the Greens?
As for Nuttall. What crime has he been convicted of?
Other than as a matter of opinion where has he been indecent or inhumane?
I don't share all his beliefs, I'm pretty sure I wouldn't share all of May's either, and I'm certain I share very few (if any) of Corbyn's.
However I do think that Nuttall is probably the right man for the UKIP job (for now at least) and am prepared to give him a chance.
"I wasn't accussing Paul of anything. I am neither for or against him as UKIP leader. Also I agree with what you said. I'm checking that Ukip followers care about a leader following through rather than just pushing a Brexit. But if he is elected as Pm cab he function or deliver a Brexit? Or is he just a disrupter. Will just talk the talk. | |||
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" Er. There is a clue in the name. "UK Independence Party". It's a bit like saying the Green party should support more coal fired power stations and be the champions of nuclear power.
Ok I got you. You say as long as the leader wants independence, they can be criminals, indecent or inhumane? So no limits? Of course you can also have a democratic leader with political sense?
I'll ask again but differently. What is the criteria to be Ukip leader? What characteristics?
The same criteria as any other party, which would be as a champion of that party's core beliefs.
So would you have a Trotskyist as leader of the Tories? or a hedge fund manager as Labour leader? or the boss of a fracking company in charge of the Greens?
As for Nuttall. What crime has he been convicted of?
Other than as a matter of opinion where has he been indecent or inhumane?
I don't share all his beliefs, I'm pretty sure I wouldn't share all of May's either, and I'm certain I share very few (if any) of Corbyn's.
However I do think that Nuttall is probably the right man for the UKIP job (for now at least) and am prepared to give him a chance.
I wasn't accussing Paul of anything. I am neither for or against him as UKIP leader. Also I agree with what you said.
I'm checking that Ukip followers care about a leader following through rather than just pushing a Brexit. But if he is elected as Pm cab he function or deliver a Brexit? Or is he just a disrupter. Will just talk the talk."That remains to be seen. That is why I qualified my post with "for now at least" I would never expect UKIP to form a government or any UKIP leader to be PM so whether or not I think he would make a good one is irrelevant. What I expect him to do is to keep up the pressure on the government to deliver what the majority voted for and lead UKIP into the next election as a strong opposition force. Because with Corbyn at the head of Labour, by god we will need one. | |||
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" Er. There is a clue in the name. "UK Independence Party". It's a bit like saying the Green party should support more coal fired power stations and be the champions of nuclear power.
Ok I got you. You say as long as the leader wants independence, they can be criminals, indecent or inhumane? So no limits? Of course you can also have a democratic leader with political sense?
I'll ask again but differently. What is the criteria to be Ukip leader? What characteristics? I would have thought an experienced leader who appeals to the electorate .
The newly elected leader is a man of the people who was previously a history lecturer. He is also a staunch Roman Catholic.
Sounds like the perfect choice of leader . "I wonder what he would think of swingers upholding his reputation | |||
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" Er. There is a clue in the name. "UK Independence Party". It's a bit like saying the Green party should support more coal fired power stations and be the champions of nuclear power.
Ok I got you. You say as long as the leader wants independence, they can be criminals, indecent or inhumane? So no limits? Of course you can also have a democratic leader with political sense?
I'll ask again but differently. What is the criteria to be Ukip leader? What characteristics? I would have thought an experienced leader who appeals to the electorate .
The newly elected leader is a man of the people who was previously a history lecturer. He is also a staunch Roman Catholic.
Sounds like the perfect choice of leader .
I wonder what he would think of swingers upholding his reputation "What would Theresa May or Jeremy Corbyn think of swingers upholding their reputation as happens on many threads on here? | |||
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"He is now the UKIP leader. He is even more right-wing than Farage. He wants to privatise the NHS, bring back the death penalty, is in favour of limiting abortions to the first 12 weeks of pregnancy, wants Christians to be able to discriminate against gays. . Some people reading this won't find any of this troubling. OK, I get that and you are as entitled to your views as I am, but I am not asking you to explain/ justify his views here. I *am* asking anyone - Left, Centre or Right - who does not share those views to get off their backsides and get involved in resisting the move to this kind of politics. And resisting does not mean posting Stewart Lee's stand-up routine about Nuttall onto Facebook or Twitter and then thinking you have done your bit. Once again, I am not asking anyone who agrees with Nuttall to come on and explain/justify/troll. Thank you. . 1. Surely orivatising part of the service will make it more efficient and help the ill. Why would anyone not want to help the ill.
2. Who said that he wants to disciminate against the gays . Maybe he means that Christians should not be penalised for having Christian beliefs .
Britain is a Christian country "No, Britain is a country with some Christians in it, and a right pain in the arse they are too. | |||
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" Er. There is a clue in the name. "UK Independence Party". It's a bit like saying the Green party should support more coal fired power stations and be the champions of nuclear power.
Ok I got you. You say as long as the leader wants independence, they can be criminals, indecent or inhumane? So no limits? Of course you can also have a democratic leader with political sense?
I'll ask again but differently. What is the criteria to be Ukip leader? What characteristics?
The same criteria as any other party, which would be as a champion of that party's core beliefs.
So would you have a Trotskyist as leader of the Tories? or a hedge fund manager as Labour leader? or the boss of a fracking company in charge of the Greens?
As for Nuttall. What crime has he been convicted of?
Other than as a matter of opinion where has he been indecent or inhumane?
I don't share all his beliefs, I'm pretty sure I wouldn't share all of May's either, and I'm certain I share very few (if any) of Corbyn's.
However I do think that Nuttall is probably the right man for the UKIP job (for now at least) and am prepared to give him a chance.
I wasn't accussing Paul of anything. I am neither for or against him as UKIP leader. Also I agree with what you said.
I'm checking that Ukip followers care about a leader following through rather than just pushing a Brexit. But if he is elected as Pm cab he function or deliver a Brexit? Or is he just a disrupter. Will just talk the talk.
That remains to be seen. That is why I qualified my post with "for now at least"
I would never expect UKIP to form a government or any UKIP leader to be PM so whether or not I think he would make a good one is irrelevant.
What I expect him to do is to keep up the pressure on the government to deliver what the majority voted for and lead UKIP into the next election as a strong opposition force.
Because with Corbyn at the head of Labour, by god we will need one."Eh? Corbyn is/was ideologically kind of undecided on Europe and seems to be saying that since we voted to leave, we should leave. Unlike, Blair, who seems to think that he should return to politics simply to block Brexit. | |||
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"He is now the UKIP leader. He is even more right-wing than Farage. He wants to privatise the NHS, bring back the death penalty, is in favour of limiting abortions to the first 12 weeks of pregnancy, wants Christians to be able to discriminate against gays. . Some people reading this won't find any of this troubling. OK, I get that and you are as entitled to your views as I am, but I am not asking you to explain/ justify his views here. I *am* asking anyone - Left, Centre or Right - who does not share those views to get off their backsides and get involved in resisting the move to this kind of politics. And resisting does not mean posting Stewart Lee's stand-up routine about Nuttall onto Facebook or Twitter and then thinking you have done your bit. Once again, I am not asking anyone who agrees with Nuttall to come on and explain/justify/troll. Thank you. . 1. Surely orivatising part of the service will make it more efficient and help the ill. Why would anyone not want to help the ill.
2. Who said that he wants to disciminate against the gays . Maybe he means that Christians should not be penalised for having Christian beliefs .
Britain is a Christian country
No, Britain is a country with some Christians in it, and a right pain in the arse they are too.
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"He is now the UKIP leader. He is even more right-wing than Farage. He wants to privatise the NHS, bring back the death penalty, is in favour of limiting abortions to the first 12 weeks of pregnancy, wants Christians to be able to discriminate against gays. . Some people reading this won't find any of this troubling. OK, I get that and you are as entitled to your views as I am, but I am not asking you to explain/ justify his views here. I *am* asking anyone - Left, Centre or Right - who does not share those views to get off their backsides and get involved in resisting the move to this kind of politics. And resisting does not mean posting Stewart Lee's stand-up routine about Nuttall onto Facebook or Twitter and then thinking you have done your bit. Once again, I am not asking anyone who agrees with Nuttall to come on and explain/justify/troll. Thank you. . 1. Surely orivatising part of the service will make it more efficient and help the ill. Why would anyone not want to help the ill.
2. Who said that he wants to disciminate against the gays . Maybe he means that Christians should not be penalised for having Christian beliefs .
Britain is a Christian country
No, Britain is a country with some Christians in it, and a right pain in the arse they are too.
How did you come to that conclusion. ? "Because the pagans were here first, perhaps? Or: I'm British, I was born here, it is "my" country as much as it is anyone elses. I don't like christians much, though. | |||
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"What would Theresa May or Jeremy Corbyn think of swingers upholding their reputation as happens on many threads on here? Don't know about May (she always looks and sounds very shrill and frustrated... as if she needs a good fucking), but I think JC would be quite cool about it. "Let's be honest Corbyn needs all the help he can get drifting more behind Theresa May in the polls with each passing week. | |||
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"Eddie Hitler's doppelganger...." ...and Nicola Sturgeon still looks like Jimmy Krankie, Fan dabi dozi. | |||
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" Er. There is a clue in the name. "UK Independence Party". It's a bit like saying the Green party should support more coal fired power stations and be the champions of nuclear power.
Ok I got you. You say as long as the leader wants independence, they can be criminals, indecent or inhumane? So no limits? Of course you can also have a democratic leader with political sense?
I'll ask again but differently. What is the criteria to be Ukip leader? What characteristics? I would have thought an experienced leader who appeals to the electorate .
The newly elected leader is a man of the people who was previously a history lecturer. He is also a staunch Roman Catholic.
Sounds like the perfect choice of leader .
I wonder what he would think of swingers upholding his reputation
What would Theresa May or Jeremy Corbyn think of swingers upholding their reputation as happens on many threads on here?"Well for one the two you mention are not homophobes....i think both May an Corbyn believe in live and let live....May could be a secret swinger anyway...Corbyn is to uptight to be one lol | |||
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"I still don't know what this thread is supposed to be about? ... It's a continuation of the Trump/Farage/Brexit...hate campaign/whinge-athon. " ....spot on...we live amongst a religion that wants all homosexuals eradicated..we have governments past and present who have been bombing innocent children and women in their own homelands.. Can it get anymore homophobic,racist and evil than that.. And still the brainwashed simpletons think farage and trump are the evil bogiemen | |||
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"I may disagree with much of what he says......but I fully defend his right to say it. As you have a right to speak against him.....it's called freedom of speech and comes with democracy! We are not (yet) a totalitarian state....which you, OP, seem to be advocating more than Paul Nutall....?" Many Ukippers are Libertarians, of which freedom of speech is a core element. | |||
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"Don't like or agree with most of the mans beliefs, but I'm sort of with him when it comes to the death penalty and his belief that the law should not force Christians (or any other religion) servicing the requirements of those who are seen as an abomination by the faith." Got the same opinion of religions seeing casual sex/sex with more than one partner/adultery (with or without spousal consent) as an 'abomination'? | |||
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"He is now the UKIP leader. He is even more right-wing than Farage. He wants to privatise the NHS, bring back the death penalty, is in favour of limiting abortions to the first 12 weeks of pregnancy, wants Christians to be able to discriminate against gays. . Some people reading this won't find any of this troubling. OK, I get that and you are as entitled to your views as I am, but I am not asking you to explain/ justify his views here. I *am* asking anyone - Left, Centre or Right - who does not share those views to get off their backsides and get involved in resisting the move to this kind of politics. And resisting does not mean posting Stewart Lee's stand-up routine about Nuttall onto Facebook or Twitter and then thinking you have done your bit. Once again, I am not asking anyone who agrees with Nuttall to come on and explain/justify/troll. Thank you. . 1. Surely orivatising part of the service will make it more efficient and help the ill. Why would anyone not want to help the ill.
2. Who said that he wants to disciminate against the gays . Maybe he means that Christians should not be penalised for having Christian beliefs .
Britain is a Christian country
No, Britain is a country with some Christians in it, and a right pain in the arse they are too.
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"He is now the UKIP leader. He is even more right-wing than Farage. He wants to privatise the NHS, bring back the death penalty, is in favour of limiting abortions to the first 12 weeks of pregnancy, wants Christians to be able to discriminate against gays. . Some people reading this won't find any of this troubling. OK, I get that and you are as entitled to your views as I am, but I am not asking you to explain/ justify his views here. I *am* asking anyone - Left, Centre or Right - who does not share those views to get off their backsides and get involved in resisting the move to this kind of politics. And resisting does not mean posting Stewart Lee's stand-up routine about Nuttall onto Facebook or Twitter and then thinking you have done your bit. Once again, I am not asking anyone who agrees with Nuttall to come on and explain/justify/troll. Thank you. . 1. Surely orivatising part of the service will make it more efficient and help the ill. Why would anyone not want to help the ill.
2. Who said that he wants to disciminate against the gays . Maybe he means that Christians should not be penalised for having Christian beliefs .
Britain is a Christian country
No, Britain is a country with some Christians in it, and a right pain in the arse they are too.
No Britain is a country with some "insert any religion but I will insert a random religion, let say Muslim" in it,and a right pain in the arse they are too. How does that read then? "Exactly the same, as far as I'm concerned. Not a fan of any of them, particularly the Abrahamic ones. Bhuddists seem OK, I guess. | |||
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" Once again, I am not asking anyone who agrees with Nuttall to come on and explain/justify/troll. Thank you. So you only want posts from people who agree with you. No differing views allowed. Castro would have been proud. For the record I don't agree with everything that Nuttall says but if he can unite the party and help to push Brexit along then more power to him." And less power to you. | |||
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