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"It is a minor matter and just the EU wanting to attack UKIP for breaking up there corrupt organisation." So you wouldn't mind if I misappropriated £470,000 of your money then  | |||
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"It is a minor matter and just the EU wanting to attack UKIP for breaking up there corrupt organisation." it may have some legs to state that if the EU had done their own investigation, but it was an independent outside body.. so it looks like what it is, clearly subject to whatever legal challenge is available.. | |||
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"It is a minor matter and just the EU wanting to attack UKIP for breaking up there corrupt organisation. So you wouldn't mind if I misappropriated £470,000 of your money then "Wish I had that sort of money but in the terms of the EU it is minor they swindle millions out of us everyday | |||
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"It is a minor matter and just the EU wanting to attack UKIP for breaking up there corrupt organisation. it may have some legs to state that if the EU had done their own investigation, but it was an independent outside body.. so it looks like what it is, clearly subject to whatever legal challenge is available.. " not only that.... UKIP went and compunded the issued by saying they used that money on brexit campaigning in the uk... because that is against Electoral Commission rules they stitched themselves up twice.....
lets see if this time we get a condemnation from the farage followers or we get the "well everyone else is doing it" line which conviently forgets its wrong for anyone to do it!!!
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"It is a minor matter and just the EU wanting to attack UKIP for breaking up there corrupt organisation. So you wouldn't mind if I misappropriated £470,000 of your money then Wish I had that sort of money but in the terms of the EU it is minor they swindle millions out of us everyday"And how do they do that exactly? [Dictionary definition of swindle: use deception to deprive (someone) of money or possessions.] | |||
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"Could this be a way of the EU producing a report that concludes that the EU referendum is null and void? And then get that conclusion supported by EU courts?" Nope... the electoral commission have a rule that only British citizens or British companies can contribute money to U.K. Voting campaigns...... So ukip broke that rule by using money from this specific fund..... | |||
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" The original, independent audit was complete by EY (formerly known as Ernst & Young). So there can be no complaints around the independence of the report. " Although of note perhaps is the value of the EU business to EY.... Not sure how much exactly..... but EY even have their own EU Auditing excellence centre, with 40 staff working permanently on EU audits. Plus the fact that EY themselves are not Lily-white, having been involved in many accounting scandals themselves... for example, in 2013 they paid $123 Million in an out of court settlement for their involvement in a $2 Billion tax avoidance case. Also, the EU audit itself shows 'material' discrepancies amounting to about £5 Billion at today's exchange rate, where the auditors have said that monies have been paid out by the EU against the EU's own regulation...... and this figure was lower than previous years. | |||
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"Could this be a way of the EU producing a report that concludes that the EU referendum is null and void? And then get that conclusion supported by EU courts? Nope... the electoral commission have a rule that only British citizens or British companies can contribute money to U.K. Voting campaigns...... So ukip broke that rule by using money from this specific fund....." So, as the EU court of justice is supreme over U.K. Courts, could a case be made? Just a thought...... | |||
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"So the leaked report mentioned last week has been approved by a committee of senior MEPs and they have found the UKIP dominated ADDE party misappropriated £470,000. These aren't allegations, or the start of the investigation, this is the findings of the completed investigation. The original, independent audit was complete by EY (formerly known as Ernst & Young). So there can be no complaints around the independence of the report. Ulrike Lunacek, a German Green MEP, said: “Ukip has spent years accusing the EU of being corrupt and of wasting taxpayers’ money. The hypocrisy is breath-taking.” The full story can be read here: https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/nov/21/ukip-led-pan-european-party-misspent-over-half-million-euro?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Messaging " However no one misappropiated any of the money for personal gain. It was still used for fighting an election so no harm was done . Compared to the amount of money wasted by other EU organisations this is a drop in the ocean. Why would anyone be worried about it ?. | |||
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"So the leaked report mentioned last week has been approved by a committee of senior MEPs and they have found the UKIP dominated ADDE party misappropriated £470,000. These aren't allegations, or the start of the investigation, this is the findings of the completed investigation. The original, independent audit was complete by EY (formerly known as Ernst & Young). So there can be no complaints around the independence of the report. Ulrike Lunacek, a German Green MEP, said: “Ukip has spent years accusing the EU of being corrupt and of wasting taxpayers’ money. The hypocrisy is breath-taking.” The full story can be read here: https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/nov/21/ukip-led-pan-european-party-misspent-over-half-million-euro?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Messaging However no one misappropiated any of the money for personal gain. It was still used for fighting an election so no harm was done . Compared to the amount of money wasted by other EU organisations this is a drop in the ocean. Why would anyone be worried about it ?. " What an utter load of bollocks. | |||
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"Could this be a way of the EU producing a report that concludes that the EU referendum is null and void? And then get that conclusion supported by EU courts?" It doesn't need to. In law the referendum was legally non binding. Legally it will be the government, with the backing of parliament, which will actually start the exit. The referendum is legal meaningless both in UK and EU law. | |||
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"Could this be a way of the EU producing a report that concludes that the EU referendum is null and void? And then get that conclusion supported by EU courts? Nope... the electoral commission have a rule that only British citizens or British companies can contribute money to U.K. Voting campaigns...... So ukip broke that rule by using money from this specific fund..... So, as the EU court of justice is supreme over U.K. Courts, could a case be made? Just a thought......" Not on this matter. The referendum has no legal authority in either UK or EU law so, even if the European Court of Justice made some sort of ruling in UKIP's mus use of funds, it would not effect whether the UK leaves or stays in the EU as, legally, is the choice of the government backed by parliament. Where the European Court of Justice could get involved is in the current case before the Supreme Court on whether parliament or the government should trigger article 50. Either side could appeal that to the European Court of Justice. | |||
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"So the leaked report mentioned last week has been approved by a committee of senior MEPs and they have found the UKIP dominated ADDE party misappropriated £470,000. These aren't allegations, or the start of the investigation, this is the findings of the completed investigation. The original, independent audit was complete by EY (formerly known as Ernst & Young). So there can be no complaints around the independence of the report. Ulrike Lunacek, a German Green MEP, said: “Ukip has spent years accusing the EU of being corrupt and of wasting taxpayers’ money. The hypocrisy is breath-taking.” The full story can be read here: https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/nov/21/ukip-led-pan-european-party-misspent-over-half-million-euro?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Messaging However no one misappropiated any of the money for personal gain. It was still used for fighting an election so no harm was done . Compared to the amount of money wasted by other EU organisations this is a drop in the ocean. Why would anyone be worried about it ?. " its not a defence to say well yes I did misappropriate the funds but the bloke at number 42 once stole some apples from the shop.. look at the definition of misappropriation and the words intentional and illegal are there also.. if someone did that to you personally I suggest you would be less than happy.. to say its a no harm done situation is morally wrong.. | |||
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"It is a minor matter and just the EU wanting to attack UKIP for breaking up there corrupt organisation. So you wouldn't mind if I misappropriated £470,000 of your money then Wish I had that sort of money but in the terms of the EU it is minor they swindle millions out of us everyday"So that makes it ok? Really, take a look at what you're saying, condoning this misappropriation! | |||
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"So the leaked report mentioned last week has been approved by a committee of senior MEPs and they have found the UKIP dominated ADDE party misappropriated £470,000. These aren't allegations, or the start of the investigation, this is the findings of the completed investigation. The original, independent audit was complete by EY (formerly known as Ernst & Young). So there can be no complaints around the independence of the report. Ulrike Lunacek, a German Green MEP, said: “Ukip has spent years accusing the EU of being corrupt and of wasting taxpayers’ money. The hypocrisy is breath-taking.” The full story can be read here: https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/nov/21/ukip-led-pan-european-party-misspent-over-half-million-euro?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Messaging However no one misappropiated any of the money for personal gain. It was still used for fighting an election so no harm was done . Compared to the amount of money wasted by other EU organisations this is a drop in the ocean. Why would anyone be worried about it ?. " Seriously? You're actually suggesting that this is ok? | |||
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"It is a minor matter and just the EU wanting to attack UKIP for breaking up there corrupt organisation. So you wouldn't mind if I misappropriated £470,000 of your money then Wish I had that sort of money but in the terms of the EU it is minor they swindle millions out of us everyday
So that makes it ok?
Really, take a look at what you're saying, condoning this misappropriation!"Would they say the same thing if it was Labour or Lib Dems or Conservatives or Greens? I'm guessing not. | |||
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"It is a minor matter and just the EU wanting to attack UKIP for breaking up there corrupt organisation. So you wouldn't mind if I misappropriated £470,000 of your money then Wish I had that sort of money but in the terms of the EU it is minor they swindle millions out of us everyday
So that makes it ok?
Really, take a look at what you're saying, condoning this misappropriation!
Would they say the same thing if it was Labour or Lib Dems or Conservatives or Greens? I'm guessing not."I assume that they wouldn't mind if I pop round and missapropriate their TVs*. There's no real difference. (* Now, I do know that missapropriation is wrong, this is a joke to make a point. In case I need to spell it out!) | |||
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"So the leaked report mentioned last week has been approved by a committee of senior MEPs and they have found the UKIP dominated ADDE party misappropriated £470,000. These aren't allegations, or the start of the investigation, this is the findings of the completed investigation. The original, independent audit was complete by EY (formerly known as Ernst & Young). So there can be no complaints around the independence of the report. Ulrike Lunacek, a German Green MEP, said: “Ukip has spent years accusing the EU of being corrupt and of wasting taxpayers’ money. The hypocrisy is breath-taking.” The full story can be read here: https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/nov/21/ukip-led-pan-european-party-misspent-over-half-million-euro?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Messaging However no one misappropiated any of the money for personal gain. It was still used for fighting an election so no harm was done . Compared to the amount of money wasted by other EU organisations this is a drop in the ocean. Why would anyone be worried about it ?. Seriously? You're actually suggesting that this is ok?" It is no money that was used for any personal gain. It seems very odd to single out on individual. Has anyone suffered any harm as a result of it . ? | |||
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"So the leaked report mentioned last week has been approved by a committee of senior MEPs and they have found the UKIP dominated ADDE party misappropriated £470,000. These aren't allegations, or the start of the investigation, this is the findings of the completed investigation. The original, independent audit was complete by EY (formerly known as Ernst & Young). So there can be no complaints around the independence of the report. Ulrike Lunacek, a German Green MEP, said: “Ukip has spent years accusing the EU of being corrupt and of wasting taxpayers’ money. The hypocrisy is breath-taking.” The full story can be read here: https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/nov/21/ukip-led-pan-european-party-misspent-over-half-million-euro?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Messaging However no one misappropiated any of the money for personal gain. It was still used for fighting an election so no harm was done . Compared to the amount of money wasted by other EU organisations this is a drop in the ocean. Why would anyone be worried about it ?. Seriously? You're actually suggesting that this is ok? It is no money that was used for any personal gain. It seems very odd to single out on individual. Has anyone suffered any harm as a result of it . ? " Has the official who leaked the report been dismissed for gross misconduct yet ? | |||
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"So the leaked report mentioned last week has been approved by a committee of senior MEPs and they have found the UKIP dominated ADDE party misappropriated £470,000. These aren't allegations, or the start of the investigation, this is the findings of the completed investigation. The original, independent audit was complete by EY (formerly known as Ernst & Young). So there can be no complaints around the independence of the report. Ulrike Lunacek, a German Green MEP, said: “Ukip has spent years accusing the EU of being corrupt and of wasting taxpayers’ money. The hypocrisy is breath-taking.” The full story can be read here: https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/nov/21/ukip-led-pan-european-party-misspent-over-half-million-euro?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Messaging However no one misappropiated any of the money for personal gain. It was still used for fighting an election so no harm was done . Compared to the amount of money wasted by other EU organisations this is a drop in the ocean. Why would anyone be worried about it ?. Seriously? You're actually suggesting that this is ok? It is no money that was used for any personal gain. It seems very odd to single out on individual. Has anyone suffered any harm as a result of it . ? " When you start to excuse illegal behaviour it's a slippery slope. It's beyond politics.. It's not acceptable behaviour whomever does it. Not you nor I or any of those who 'represent' us.. | |||
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"So the leaked report mentioned last week has been approved by a committee of senior MEPs and they have found the UKIP dominated ADDE party misappropriated £470,000. These aren't allegations, or the start of the investigation, this is the findings of the completed investigation. The original, independent audit was complete by EY (formerly known as Ernst & Young). So there can be no complaints around the independence of the report. Ulrike Lunacek, a German Green MEP, said: “Ukip has spent years accusing the EU of being corrupt and of wasting taxpayers’ money. The hypocrisy is breath-taking.” The full story can be read here: https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/nov/21/ukip-led-pan-european-party-misspent-over-half-million-euro?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Messaging However no one misappropiated any of the money for personal gain. It was still used for fighting an election so no harm was done . Compared to the amount of money wasted by other EU organisations this is a drop in the ocean. Why would anyone be worried about it ?. Seriously? You're actually suggesting that this is ok? It is no money that was used for any personal gain. It seems very odd to single out on individual. Has anyone suffered any harm as a result of it . ? Has the official who leaked the report been dismissed for gross misconduct yet ? "  in the UK that kind of public interest whistle blowing is protected by law. I find it absolutely incredible that you think that that person should be sacked, but the person who stole nearly half a million shouldn't.
You keep on saying it wasn't for personal gain, but it was used for Farage to get a seat in parliament, so it was for his personal gain.
That half a million could have been spent on medical research to find a cure for cancer, or it could have been used for structural investment in your home town, or it could have been used to help refugees through an EU aid project, or it could have been used to pay for cleaners in an EU office, who knows. The point is it wasn't his money to steal. | |||
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" in the UK that kind of public interest whistle blowing is protected by law. I find it absolutely incredible that you think that that person should be sacked, but the person who stole nearly half a million shouldn't.
You keep on saying it wasn't for personal gain, but it was used for Farage to get a seat in parliament, so it was for his personal gain.
That half a million could have been spent on medical research to find a cure for cancer, or it could have been used for structural investment in your home town, or it could have been used to help refugees through an EU aid project, or it could have been used to pay for cleaners in an EU office, who knows. The point is it wasn't his money to steal. "Have to say this is a new low for this forum! People refusing to condemn this behaviour is totally unbelievable. Hedging around it, blaming the whistleblower, saying it's ok because others do it. For gods' sake, what have we come to? | |||
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" in the UK that kind of public interest whistle blowing is protected by law. I find it absolutely incredible that you think that that person should be sacked, but the person who stole nearly half a million shouldn't.
You keep on saying it wasn't for personal gain, but it was used for Farage to get a seat in parliament, so it was for his personal gain.
That half a million could have been spent on medical research to find a cure for cancer, or it could have been used for structural investment in your home town, or it could have been used to help refugees through an EU aid project, or it could have been used to pay for cleaners in an EU office, who knows. The point is it wasn't his money to steal.
Have to say this is a new low for this forum! People refusing to condemn this behaviour is totally unbelievable. Hedging around it, blaming the whistleblower, saying it's ok because others do it.
For gods' sake, what have we come to?
"As far as I am aware no one has said that money was stolen. If that was the case , the police would be after you. The term theft is what various forum posters have used. I did not see any newspaper refer to it as theft. What is beyond doubt is that leaking a report is definitely an act of gross mis conduct and definitely warrants instant dismissal. Has Nigel Farage seen the report and if so what were his comments . I prefer to assume that people are innocent unto proved guilty . This is the normal concept of British Justice . It seems that some posters here would prefer just to find people guilty and ignore the evidence . I prefer to be fair and reasonable | |||
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" in the UK that kind of public interest whistle blowing is protected by law. I find it absolutely incredible that you think that that person should be sacked, but the person who stole nearly half a million shouldn't.
You keep on saying it wasn't for personal gain, but it was used for Farage to get a seat in parliament, so it was for his personal gain.
That half a million could have been spent on medical research to find a cure for cancer, or it could have been used for structural investment in your home town, or it could have been used to help refugees through an EU aid project, or it could have been used to pay for cleaners in an EU office, who knows. The point is it wasn't his money to steal.
Have to say this is a new low for this forum! People refusing to condemn this behaviour is totally unbelievable. Hedging around it, blaming the whistleblower, saying it's ok because others do it.
For gods' sake, what have we come to?
As far as I am aware no one has said that money was stolen. If that was the case , the police would be after you.
The term theft is what various forum posters have used.
I did not see any newspaper refer to it as theft.
What is beyond doubt is that leaking a report is definitely an act of gross mis conduct and definitely warrants instant dismissal.
Has Nigel Farage seen the report and if so what were his comments .
I prefer to assume that people are innocent unto proved guilty .
This is the normal concept of British Justice .
It seems that some posters here would prefer just to find people guilty and ignore the evidence .
I prefer to be fair and reasonable "And nor have you seen me refer to it as theft. But I still find your defence of this action incredulous. Accepted we're taking the report in the newspaper as being accurate, but then you're not disputing it either, you're defending the misappropriation. You haven't even said something like "although I believe in innocent until proven guilty, if UKIP did misappropriate these funds then they were wrong". Go on, say it! As to your attack on the whistleblower, you have clearly missed (or deliberatly ignored) CLCC's point that whistleblowing like this is protected. If you work for a decent sized company they probably have a whistleblowing policy. | |||
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"So the leaked report mentioned last week has been approved by a committee of senior MEPs and they have found the UKIP dominated ADDE party misappropriated £470,000. These aren't allegations, or the start of the investigation, this is the findings of the completed investigation. The original, independent audit was complete by EY (formerly known as Ernst & Young). So there can be no complaints around the independence of the report. Ulrike Lunacek, a German Green MEP, said: “Ukip has spent years accusing the EU of being corrupt and of wasting taxpayers’ money. The hypocrisy is breath-taking.” The full story can be read here: https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/nov/21/ukip-led-pan-european-party-misspent-over-half-million-euro?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Messaging However no one misappropiated any of the money for personal gain. It was still used for fighting an election so no harm was done . Compared to the amount of money wasted by other EU organisations this is a drop in the ocean. Why would anyone be worried about it ?. Seriously? You're actually suggesting that this is ok? It is no money that was used for any personal gain. It seems very odd to single out on individual. Has anyone suffered any harm as a result of it . ? When you start to excuse illegal behaviour it's a slippery slope. It's beyond politics.. It's not acceptable behaviour whomever does it. Not you nor I or any of those who 'represent' us.." I prefer to rely on official sources or newspapers for information , not what people post on an internet forum. I assume that people are innocent unto proven guilty and would not be paying too much attention to a trial on an internet forum. Once Nigel Farage has had the opportunity to comment we would be in a better position to assess the situation.. | |||
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" in the UK that kind of public interest whistle blowing is protected by law. I find it absolutely incredible that you think that that person should be sacked, but the person who stole nearly half a million shouldn't.
You keep on saying it wasn't for personal gain, but it was used for Farage to get a seat in parliament, so it was for his personal gain.
That half a million could have been spent on medical research to find a cure for cancer, or it could have been used for structural investment in your home town, or it could have been used to help refugees through an EU aid project, or it could have been used to pay for cleaners in an EU office, who knows. The point is it wasn't his money to steal.
Have to say this is a new low for this forum! People refusing to condemn this behaviour is totally unbelievable. Hedging around it, blaming the whistleblower, saying it's ok because others do it.
For gods' sake, what have we come to?
As far as I am aware no one has said that money was stolen. If that was the case , the police would be after you.
The term theft is what various forum posters have used.
I did not see any newspaper refer to it as theft.
What is beyond doubt is that leaking a report is definitely an act of gross mis conduct and definitely warrants instant dismissal.
Has Nigel Farage seen the report and if so what were his comments .
I prefer to assume that people are innocent unto proved guilty .
This is the normal concept of British Justice .
It seems that some posters here would prefer just to find people guilty and ignore the evidence .
I prefer to be fair and reasonable "Of course it has been stolen! What do you think we have been talking about? I would assume that Nigel Farage has seen the report, you will have to ask him for his comments. As I have said in the OP, this isn't an allegation. This isn't about innocent until proven guilty, we have gone beyond that. He HAS been found guilty, yet you are saying he is innocent! You pat are the one ignoring the evidence that he had been found guilty of this. | |||
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" I prefer to rely on official sources or newspapers for information , not what people post on an internet forum. I assume that people are innocent unto proven guilty and would not be paying too much attention to a trial on an internet forum. Once Nigel Farage has had the opportunity to comment we would be in a better position to assess the situation.." So you accept the newspaper report, ok, now reply to CLCC just above this... | |||
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"So the leaked report mentioned last week has been approved by a committee of senior MEPs and they have found the UKIP dominated ADDE party misappropriated £470,000. These aren't allegations, or the start of the investigation, this is the findings of the completed investigation. The original, independent audit was complete by EY (formerly known as Ernst & Young). So there can be no complaints around the independence of the report. Ulrike Lunacek, a German Green MEP, said: “Ukip has spent years accusing the EU of being corrupt and of wasting taxpayers’ money. The hypocrisy is breath-taking.” The full story can be read here: https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/nov/21/ukip-led-pan-european-party-misspent-over-half-million-euro?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Messaging However no one misappropiated any of the money for personal gain. It was still used for fighting an election so no harm was done . Compared to the amount of money wasted by other EU organisations this is a drop in the ocean. Why would anyone be worried about it ?. Seriously? You're actually suggesting that this is ok? It is no money that was used for any personal gain. It seems very odd to single out on individual. Has anyone suffered any harm as a result of it . ? When you start to excuse illegal behaviour it's a slippery slope. It's beyond politics.. It's not acceptable behaviour whomever does it. Not you nor I or any of those who 'represent' us.. I prefer to rely on official sources or newspapers for information , not what people post on an internet forum. I assume that people are innocent unto proven guilty and would not be paying too much attention to a trial on an internet forum. Once Nigel Farage has had the opportunity to comment we would be in a better position to assess the situation.." Pat, the "official source or newpaper" that you want is in the Opening Post at the top of the page. I dont want or expect you to take my word for it. I want you to read the source. This is NOT trial by internet forum, this is independent auditing. | |||
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" in the UK that kind of public interest whistle blowing is protected by law. I find it absolutely incredible that you think that that person should be sacked, but the person who stole nearly half a million shouldn't.
You keep on saying it wasn't for personal gain, but it was used for Farage to get a seat in parliament, so it was for his personal gain.
That half a million could have been spent on medical research to find a cure for cancer, or it could have been used for structural investment in your home town, or it could have been used to help refugees through an EU aid project, or it could have been used to pay for cleaners in an EU office, who knows. The point is it wasn't his money to steal.
Have to say this is a new low for this forum! People refusing to condemn this behaviour is totally unbelievable. Hedging around it, blaming the whistleblower, saying it's ok because others do it.
For gods' sake, what have we come to?
As far as I am aware no one has said that money was stolen. If that was the case , the police would be after you.
The term theft is what various forum posters have used.
I did not see any newspaper refer to it as theft.
What is beyond doubt is that leaking a report is definitely an act of gross mis conduct and definitely warrants instant dismissal.
Has Nigel Farage seen the report and if so what were his comments .
I prefer to assume that people are innocent unto proved guilty .
This is the normal concept of British Justice .
It seems that some posters here would prefer just to find people guilty and ignore the evidence .
I prefer to be fair and reasonable
And nor have you seen me refer to it as theft.
But I still find your defence of this action incredulous. Accepted we're taking the report in the newspaper as being accurate, but then you're not disputing it either, you're defending the misappropriation.
You haven't even said something like "although I believe in innocent until proven guilty, if UKIP did misappropriate these funds then they were wrong".
Go on, say it!
As to your attack on the whistleblower, you have clearly missed (or deliberatly ignored) CLCC's point that whistleblowing like this is protected. If you work for a decent sized company they probably have a whistleblowing policy."Most companies have a whistle blowing policy and the legislation is to protect whistle blowers . Leaking a report is an entirely unrelated issue and warrants instant dismissal for gross mis conduct . There is no protection for those who decide to leak confidential reports to the media. I always assume people are innocent unto proved guilty and make no apology for treating people fairly . | |||
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" in the UK that kind of public interest whistle blowing is protected by law. I find it absolutely incredible that you think that that person should be sacked, but the person who stole nearly half a million shouldn't.
You keep on saying it wasn't for personal gain, but it was used for Farage to get a seat in parliament, so it was for his personal gain.
That half a million could have been spent on medical research to find a cure for cancer, or it could have been used for structural investment in your home town, or it could have been used to help refugees through an EU aid project, or it could have been used to pay for cleaners in an EU office, who knows. The point is it wasn't his money to steal.
Have to say this is a new low for this forum! People refusing to condemn this behaviour is totally unbelievable. Hedging around it, blaming the whistleblower, saying it's ok because others do it.
For gods' sake, what have we come to?
As far as I am aware no one has said that money was stolen. If that was the case , the police would be after you.
The term theft is what various forum posters have used.
I did not see any newspaper refer to it as theft.
What is beyond doubt is that leaking a report is definitely an act of gross mis conduct and definitely warrants instant dismissal.
Has Nigel Farage seen the report and if so what were his comments .
I prefer to assume that people are innocent unto proved guilty .
This is the normal concept of British Justice .
It seems that some posters here would prefer just to find people guilty and ignore the evidence .
I prefer to be fair and reasonable
Of course it has been stolen! What do you think we have been talking about?
I would assume that Nigel Farage has seen the report, you will have to ask him for his comments.
As I have said in the OP, this isn't an allegation. This isn't about innocent until proven guilty, we have gone beyond that. He HAS been found guilty, yet you are saying he is innocent!
You pat are the one ignoring the evidence that he had been found guilty of this."UKIP diehards......they forgive anything of their heroes. | |||
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"And nor have you seen me refer to it as theft. But I still find your defence of this action incredulous. Accepted we're taking the report in the newspaper as being accurate, but then you're not disputing it either, you're defending the misappropriation. You haven't even said something like "although I believe in innocent until proven guilty, if UKIP did misappropriate these funds then they were wrong". Go on, say it! As to your attack on the whistleblower, you have clearly missed (or deliberatly ignored) CLCC's point that whistleblowing like this is protected. If you work for a decent sized company they probably have a whistleblowing policy. Most companies have a whistle blowing policy and the legislation is to protect whistle blowers . Leaking a report is an entirely unrelated issue and warrants instant dismissal for gross mis conduct . There is no protection for those who decide to leak confidential reports to the media. I always assume people are innocent unto proved guilty and make no apology for treating people fairly . " Go on Pat, say it, prove to is that you can.... | |||
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" I always assume people are innocent unto proved guilty and make no apology for treating people fairly . " But in this case, he has been found to be guilty, hasn't he Pat? What you seem to be saying is "innocent even though he's been proved to be guilty" | |||
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"UKIP diehards......they forgive anything of their heroes." Well, to be fair, Pat is quite happy that Farage doesn't bother with attending EU parliament to which he is elected but, instead, swans around the world doing his thing. I would assume (but without checking) that he continues to claim is MEP renumeration, including (and I so love this one!) for his German secretary I presume. | |||
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" I always assume people are innocent unto proved guilty and make no apology for treating people fairly . But in this case, he has been found to be guilty, hasn't he Pat? What you seem to be saying is "innocent even though he's been proved to be guilty"" I never bother reading links on internet forums and do not intend making an exception in this case . I do however read a number of newspapers and the term misappropiation was not mentioned in any of them. From what I read there was a query over the use to which the funds were put and whether or not some of the money might have to be repaid . It is not quite as clear cut as others are suggesting . Thanks for posting the link but I have never looked at any posters link to date. Links can be highly mis leading as you can simply select what you want people to see . I will say that your posts always informative and interesting and provide plenty of food for thought . | |||
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" I always assume people are innocent unto proved guilty and make no apology for treating people fairly . But in this case, he has been found to be guilty, hasn't he Pat? What you seem to be saying is "innocent even though he's been proved to be guilty" I never bother reading links on internet forums and do not intend making an exception in this case . I do however read a number of newspapers and the term misappropiation was not mentioned in any of them. From what I read there was a query over the use to which the funds were put and whether or not some of the money might have to be repaid . It is not quite as clear cut as others are suggesting . Thanks for posting the link but I have never looked at any posters link to date. Links can be highly mis leading as you can simply select what you want people to see . I will say that your posts always informative and interesting and provide plenty of food for thought . " Were it to be one of those you have cast scorn upon you would be all over it like a rash 
Eyes closed going la la I can't hear you is a new debating position lol
Morally bereft hypocrisy springs to mind in reality.
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"It is a minor matter and just the EU wanting to attack UKIP for breaking up there corrupt organisation."  | |||
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" in the UK that kind of public interest whistle blowing is protected by law. I find it absolutely incredible that you think that that person should be sacked, but the person who stole nearly half a million shouldn't.
You keep on saying it wasn't for personal gain, but it was used for Farage to get a seat in parliament, so it was for his personal gain.
That half a million could have been spent on medical research to find a cure for cancer, or it could have been used for structural investment in your home town, or it could have been used to help refugees through an EU aid project, or it could have been used to pay for cleaners in an EU office, who knows. The point is it wasn't his money to steal.
Have to say this is a new low for this forum! People refusing to condemn this behaviour is totally unbelievable. Hedging around it, blaming the whistleblower, saying it's ok because others do it.
For gods' sake, what have we come to?
As far as I am aware no one has said that money was stolen. If that was the case , the police would be after you.
The term theft is what various forum posters have used.
I did not see any newspaper refer to it as theft.
What is beyond doubt is that leaking a report is definitely an act of gross mis conduct and definitely warrants instant dismissal.
Has Nigel Farage seen the report and if so what were his comments .
I prefer to assume that people are innocent unto proved guilty .
This is the normal concept of British Justice .
It seems that some posters here would prefer just to find people guilty and ignore the evidence .
I prefer to be fair and reasonable
Of course it has been stolen! What do you think we have been talking about?
I would assume that Nigel Farage has seen the report, you will have to ask him for his comments.
As I have said in the OP, this isn't an allegation. This isn't about innocent until proven guilty, we have gone beyond that. He HAS been found guilty, yet you are saying he is innocent!
You pat are the one ignoring the evidence that he had been found guilty of this.
UKIP diehards......they forgive anything of their heroes."..............so have you forgiven your government for bombing innocent children and women in their own homeland's..? | |||
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"It is a minor matter and just the EU wanting to attack UKIP for breaking up there corrupt organisation. "Two wrongs don't make a right. | |||
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" UKIP diehards......they forgive anything of their heroes...............so have you forgiven your government for bombing innocent children and women in their own homeland's..?" We still do that at the moment. How many countries are we bombing now? Douglas Carswell votes to bomb Syria. | |||
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