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"It is a mad world when you cant have a laugh and even sadder when folks cant take a joke . Que the outrage from the PC brigade ready to be offended on someone elses behalf . "  | |||
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"I have been watching a interesting video about it on youtube about pc. I will post it below and see what you think, what is your view of it in general and have it gone too far? He also talked about a social justice warrior and that it could be taken to the extreme where we are at now, for example, comedians have to cancel shows because they have to censor their jokes and professors have to avoid potential offensive topics entirely and the people are afraid to be honest because of the social repercussion they may face https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bcSy3rzAQoM "Out of interest.....I see you live in an area where I was born and bred, I've got a feeling that you yourself weren't originally from the Bromley area? Apologies if I'm wrong in assuming this..... | |||
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"I have been watching a interesting video about it on youtube about pc. I will post it below and see what you think, what is your view of it in general and have it gone too far? He also talked about a social justice warrior and that it could be taken to the extreme where we are at now, for example, comedians have to cancel shows because they have to censor their jokes and professors have to avoid potential offensive topics entirely and the people are afraid to be honest because of the social repercussion they may face https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bcSy3rzAQoM
Out of interest.....I see you live in an area where I was born and bred, I've got a feeling that you yourself weren't originally from the Bromley area?
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"I have been watching a interesting video about it on youtube about pc. I will post it below and see what you think, what is your view of it in general and have it gone too far? He also talked about a social justice warrior and that it could be taken to the extreme where we are at now, for example, comedians have to cancel shows because they have to censor their jokes and professors have to avoid potential offensive topics entirely and the people are afraid to be honest because of the social repercussion they may face https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bcSy3rzAQoM
Out of interest.....I see you live in an area where I was born and bred, I've got a feeling that you yourself weren't originally from the Bromley area?
Apologies if I'm wrong in assuming this....."That is good and bromley is a good area too and no I was born in sweden, malmo. | |||
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"I think that some people don’t understand the difference between political correctness, and people being a dickheads. I am pro PC, anti dickhead." Il always listen to your views as I think they are genuine , even if I disagree . So let's be objective . What do you think P C should be ? | |||
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"I think that some people don’t understand the difference between political correctness, and people being a dickheads. I am pro PC, anti dickhead. Il always listen to your views as I think they are genuine , even if I disagree . So let's be objective . What do you think P C should be ? " There are things that PC is, and there are things that PC isn't. The things that most get anti-PC people worked up are usually the things that aren't PC. There was a very quickly filled thread the other day about how you aren't allowed to call blackboards blackboard and you cant call whiteboards whiteboards because those terms are racist and how easter was being renamed the egg festival. None of those things are anything to do with political correctness, and they are total bollocks. I listened to Gillian Anderson (Scully) give an interview the other day. She was saying when they started making the X-Files again, they tried to pay her a lot less than her male colleague (Mulder) she told them to pay her equally, or she would walk. Things like equal pay are genuine issues. Using correct terms for people, instead of derogatory term is also a genuine part of political correctness. Some people on this forum have suggested that using offensive and derogatory terms would make the world better, but I dont think there is any truth in that. Why refer to a gay person as a fa**ot or a h**o instead of simply gay? Why refer to a black person as a n****r or an asian as a c***k? Do you think that that will make them like you more? As a white, heterosexual, western man, it can be hard to comprehend the negative impact such words have, or to understand the way in which language, amongst other things can be used to oppress people. If someone called you cr**ker or lim*y once, you would probably laugh it off, but if you were called that behind your back, or read it in the papers, or shouted it at you in the street, or broke into your house and painted it on your walls, you might start to feel a little differently about it. | |||
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"Using correct terms for people, instead of derogatory term is also a genuine part of political correctness. Some people on this forum have suggested that using offensive and derogatory terms would make the world better, but I dont think there is any truth in that." I think you miss the point, it is not that using offensive language makes the world a better place, however it may well make the world a safer place. "Why refer to a gay person as a fa**ot or a h**o instead of simply gay? Why refer to a black person as a n****r or an asian as a c***k? Do you think that that will make them like you more" Generally when people refer to gays as faggots or homos, or black people as niggers, or Asians as gooks it is because they fear something about them. If that fear is not addressed and corrected it builds to anger, that can easily develop into hatred and lead to violence. One final point, which do you think is more insulting, your use of *'s to replace letters in the obvious words you have used or my use of the words themselves? | |||
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"Generally when people refer to gays as faggots or homos, or black people as niggers, or Asians as gooks it is because they fear something about them. If that fear is not addressed and corrected it builds to anger, that can easily develop into hatred and lead to violence. " I disagree with this contention, it isn't fear, in my opinion it is hatred. I find that generally when people use sue negative descriptive words for people it is because they are not nice people. I always remember when my youngest started play school, he'd come home every day telling us about his 'girlfriend' Sarah. When we would ask what she was like he'd use terms like: 'good at paintings' 'she's got a nice smile' 'her hair is curly' 'she's got big eyes' As my former in-laws used to take him to and collect him from playgroup, my ex partner and I had never laid eyes on Sarah. When we threw a party got his 3rd birthday, we invited all the children from playgroup. When we met Sarah, we found that she was a beautiful little black girl. Her mam and dad had fled Sierra Leone (I think). He was right, she had a lovely smile and beautiful curly hair. The moral is that prejudice is learnt. He didn't need to use negative terms to describe her. He saw her for who she was, a human being. | |||
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"I disagree with this contention, it isn't fear, in my opinion it is hatred. I find that generally when people use sue negative descriptive words for people it is because they are not nice people. I always remember when my youngest started play school, he'd come home every day telling us about his 'girlfriend' Sarah. When we would ask what she was like he'd use terms like: 'good at paintings' 'she's got a nice smile' 'her hair is curly' 'she's got big eyes' As my former in-laws used to take him to and collect him from playgroup, my ex partner and I had never laid eyes on Sarah. When we threw a party got his 3rd birthday, we invited all the children from playgroup. When we met Sarah, we found that she was a beautiful little black girl. Her mam and dad had fled Sierra Leone (I think). He was right, she had a lovely smile and beautiful curly hair. The moral is that prejudice is learnt. He didn't need to use negative terms to describe her. He saw her for who she was, a human being. " I hear what you are saying and sympathise. I am fully in agreement that race and sexuality hate is learned. However where we part ways is I believe that before hate is learned fear is engendered (generally from parents and adults that come in contact with very young children). I think that very young children are sponges and soak up a lot more than many realise, and children learn fear quickly. | |||
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"I disagree with this contention, it isn't fear, in my opinion it is hatred. I find that generally when people use sue negative descriptive words for people it is because they are not nice people. I always remember when my youngest started play school, he'd come home every day telling us about his 'girlfriend' Sarah. When we would ask what she was like he'd use terms like: 'good at paintings' 'she's got a nice smile' 'her hair is curly' 'she's got big eyes' As my former in-laws used to take him to and collect him from playgroup, my ex partner and I had never laid eyes on Sarah. When we threw a party got his 3rd birthday, we invited all the children from playgroup. When we met Sarah, we found that she was a beautiful little black girl. Her mam and dad had fled Sierra Leone (I think). He was right, she had a lovely smile and beautiful curly hair. The moral is that prejudice is learnt. He didn't need to use negative terms to describe her. He saw her for who she was, a human being. I hear what you are saying and sympathise. I am fully in agreement that race and sexuality hate is learned. However where we part ways is I believe that before hate is learned fear is engendered (generally from parents and adults that come in contact with very young children). I think that very young children are sponges and soak up a lot more than many realise, and children learn fear quickly. " Maybe. This is a true story and one that repels me even now: A guy I grew up with became a parent at 16 with his partner 18. By the time I was finishing college (he was nearly 20 then) he was father to 3 children. Long story short, his brother passed away suddenly and I went to visit him to offer my condolences. His eldest little boy was about 5. I had a coffee with him and his partner and all the whole the little lad was playing with his toys and every other word was, I kid you not, "fucking paki. So I asked him, why the little boy was saying this. His reply: "when we go to Blackwood market, we point out the pakis, so they'll grow up to hate them." Still fills me with revulsion now. The guy in question came from what would have been referred to as a good home, with good, decent parents. Was never in trouble or anything like that. Why he had those views, I'll never know. I haven't seen him in about a decade. | |||
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"Political correctness is toxic. It stifles debate, it forces those with 'unhealthy' ideas and views to be silent and causes resentment that when it does eventually surface is usually in the form of extreme violence. Just my observations and thoughts, so probably not worth considering. "Women, black people, the disabled and anyone not white and male have been silenced for years. | |||
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"Political correctness is toxic. It stifles debate, it forces those with 'unhealthy' ideas and views to be silent and causes resentment that when it does eventually surface is usually in the form of extreme violence. Just my observations and thoughts, so probably not worth considering.
Women, black people, the disabled and anyone not white and male have been silenced for years. "bizarre view | |||
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"Generally when people refer to gays as faggots or homos, or black people as niggers, or Asians as gooks it is because they fear something about them. If that fear is not addressed and corrected it builds to anger, that can easily develop into hatred and lead to violence. I disagree with this contention, it isn't fear, in my opinion it is hatred. I find that generally when people use sue negative descriptive words for people it is because they are not nice people. I always remember when my youngest started play school, he'd come home every day telling us about his 'girlfriend' Sarah. When we would ask what she was like he'd use terms like: 'good at paintings' 'she's got a nice smile' 'her hair is curly' 'she's got big eyes' As my former in-laws used to take him to and collect him from playgroup, my ex partner and I had never laid eyes on Sarah. When we threw a party got his 3rd birthday, we invited all the children from playgroup. When we met Sarah, we found that she was a beautiful little black girl. Her mam and dad had fled Sierra Leone (I think). He was right, she had a lovely smile and beautiful curly hair. The moral is that prejudice is learnt. He didn't need to use negative terms to describe her. He saw her for who she was, a human being. " But 'black' isn't a negative term. If you use that as a prejudiced way, I agree. If you were in a pub and wanted to point someone out, you might say ' the lady stood next to the black guy' . That's not prejudiced or negative. I find refusing to acknowledge the existence of someones colour even worse, as though colour is s bad thing. | |||
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"I have been watching a interesting video about it on youtube about pc. I will post it below and see what you think, what is your view of it in general and have it gone too far? He also talked about a social justice warrior and that it could be taken to the extreme where we are at now, for example, comedians have to cancel shows because they have to censor their jokes and professors have to avoid potential offensive topics entirely and the people are afraid to be honest because of the social repercussion they may face https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bcSy3rzAQoM
Out of interest.....I see you live in an area where I was born and bred, I've got a feeling that you yourself weren't originally from the Bromley area?
Apologies if I'm wrong in assuming this.....That is good and bromley is a good area too and no I was born in sweden, malmo."Then you never had the same upbringing as I did, growing up in a multicultural area like The London Borough of Bromley with friends that had family roots from all over the world gives you a different perception of PC.....I'd go as far as to say it teaches you to be more accepting of the differences of others. It's all about self control, whatever your personal beliefs it's knowing when to blurt things out and when to keep feelings to yourself....I was brought up to exercise common decency. So are we being too PC when we no longer ridicule black people in comedy shows?.....No, we are simply being decent human beings. | |||
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"It seems to me some are confused with the difference discrimnation and PC, the first is wrong wherever it happens,the second is all the petty bollocks. Things like not having nativety plays etc in schools or banning golly wogs on jam jars or the black and white minstrel show. Do we ban clowns or pictures of the village yokel etc. It seems to me that we are all too sensitive these days and will offended by anything andonbehalfofother people, I am follically challenged do I cry when someone calls me a bald C**t no becuase I can laugh ay myself. " Really...people were actually called golly wogs or wogs in the 60's and 70's in London. I am sure it was much worse outside the big cities. No one cried they fought back, laws had to be made because racist, sexist and homophobic people could not censor themselves. | |||
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" Then you never had the same upbringing as I did, growing up in a multicultural area like The London Borough of Bromley with friends that had family roots from all over the world gives you a different perception of PC.....I'd go as far as to say it teaches you to be more accepting of the differences of others. It's all about self control, whatever your personal beliefs it's knowing when to blurt things out and when to keep feelings to yourself....I was brought up to exercise common decency. So are we being too PC when we no longer ridicule black people in comedy shows?.....No, we are simply being decent human beings." When I was growing up, in my college days, my group of friends was white and asian. We would constantly ridicule each other for everything, fat, skinny, asian, not got a girlfriend, tight, fasion etc etc We were good friends and no malice in any of it. That openness was fun and friendly and not prejudiced in any way. The problem comes when fun and friendliness is perverted by prejudiced people for their own bad intentions. | |||
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"It seems to me some are confused with the difference discrimnation and PC, the first is wrong wherever it happens,the second is all the petty bollocks. Things like not having nativety plays etc in schools or banning golly wogs on jam jars or the black and white minstrel show. Do we ban clowns or pictures of the village yokel etc. It seems to me that we are all too sensitive these days and will offended by anything andonbehalfofother people, I am follically challenged do I cry when someone calls me a bald C**t no becuase I can laugh ay myself. Really...people were actually called golly wogs or wogs in the 60's and 70's in London. I am sure it was much worse outside the big cities. No one cried they fought back, laws had to be made because racist, sexist and homophobic people could not censor themselves." Perfectly put..... | |||
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"It depends how far it is taken. I agree, use of offence terms for ethnic groups, gay, disabled people is nasty and helps perpetuate prejudice. But , where to draw the line? Worst case scenario, we have just seen in this area. Girls abused by asian / pakistani gangs. Rotherham council failed to act primarily through inability to cope with describing this problem. Result - no action, hundreds of girls left to suffer. so, yes, stop abusive terminolgy, but at a common sense level. " That is right and same happens in sweden, there women dont dare to go out on their own. | |||
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"It depends how far it is taken. I agree, use of offence terms for ethnic groups, gay, disabled people is nasty and helps perpetuate prejudice. But , where to draw the line? Worst case scenario, we have just seen in this area. Girls abused by asian / pakistani gangs. Rotherham council failed to act primarily through inability to cope with describing this problem. Result - no action, hundreds of girls left to suffer. so, yes, stop abusive terminolgy, but at a common sense level. That is right and same happens in sweden, there women dont dare to go out on their own." Same happened in Germany with the mass sex attacks by migrants in Cologne on new years eve. The police and authorities were too worried about political correctness, worried they would they be called racist if they made arrests and so on, and as a result justice was not done. Many women were raped and sexually assaulted that night, but there was an attempt at a cover up, and only a small handful of convictions have been made, while many appear to have got away with it. | |||
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"It depends how far it is taken. I agree, use of offence terms for ethnic groups, gay, disabled people is nasty and helps perpetuate prejudice. But , where to draw the line? Worst case scenario, we have just seen in this area. Girls abused by asian / pakistani gangs. Rotherham council failed to act primarily through inability to cope with describing this problem. Result - no action, hundreds of girls left to suffer. so, yes, stop abusive terminolgy, but at a common sense level. That is right and same happens in sweden, there women dont dare to go out on their own. Same happened in Germany with the mass sex attacks by migrants in Cologne on new years eve. The police and authorities were too worried about political correctness, worried they would they be called racist if they made arrests and so on, and as a result justice was not done. Many women were raped and sexually assaulted that night, but there was an attempt at a cover up, and only a small handful of convictions have been made, while many appear to have got away with it. " That is right and those attacks happens daily and the police in sweden are quieting their job, because they feel they cant do their job to the fullest, it is strange as it is the feminist party who accepts it to as they stand for womens right, there is a good quote I heard "It could of been a paradise, but they will be judge by history". | |||
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"It depends how far it is taken. I agree, use of offence terms for ethnic groups, gay, disabled people is nasty and helps perpetuate prejudice. But , where to draw the line? Worst case scenario, we have just seen in this area. Girls abused by asian / pakistani gangs. Rotherham council failed to act primarily through inability to cope with describing this problem. Result - no action, hundreds of girls left to suffer. so, yes, stop abusive terminolgy, but at a common sense level. That is right and same happens in sweden, there women dont dare to go out on their own. Same happened in Germany with the mass sex attacks by migrants in Cologne on new years eve. The police and authorities were too worried about political correctness, worried they would they be called racist if they made arrests and so on, and as a result justice was not done. Many women were raped and sexually assaulted that night, but there was an attempt at a cover up, and only a small handful of convictions have been made, while many appear to have got away with it. That is right and those attacks happens daily and the police in sweden are quieting their job, because they feel they cant do their job to the fullest, it is strange as it is the feminist party who accepts it to as they stand for womens right, there is a good quote I heard "It could of been a paradise, but they will be judge by history"." These things have NOTHING to do with political correctness. They are failings of the police. | |||
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"It depends how far it is taken. I agree, use of offence terms for ethnic groups, gay, disabled people is nasty and helps perpetuate prejudice. But , where to draw the line? Worst case scenario, we have just seen in this area. Girls abused by asian / pakistani gangs. Rotherham council failed to act primarily through inability to cope with describing this problem. Result - no action, hundreds of girls left to suffer. so, yes, stop abusive terminolgy, but at a common sense level. " The situation around Rotherham was as much to do with the authorities and their opinion of girls who were vulnerable but not being seen as such. It was about the girls being given up upon ... and attitudes to white working class/benefit class girls .... | |||
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"It seems to me some are confused with the difference discrimnation and PC, the first is wrong wherever it happens,the second is all the petty bollocks. Things like not having nativety plays etc in schools or banning golly wogs on jam jars or the black and white minstrel show. Do we ban clowns or pictures of the village yokel etc. It seems to me that we are all too sensitive these days and will offended by anything andonbehalfofother people, I am follically challenged do I cry when someone calls me a bald C**t no becuase I can laugh ay myself. Really...people were actually called golly wogs or wogs in the 60's and 70's in London. I am sure it was much worse outside the big cities. No one cried they fought back, laws had to be made because racist, sexist and homophobic people could not censor themselves." this.. not sure I've ever heard of a case where a follicly challenged person was a victim of discrimination, harassment or violent assault because they were less hirsute on their swede.. | |||
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"It depends how far it is taken. I agree, use of offence terms for ethnic groups, gay, disabled people is nasty and helps perpetuate prejudice. But , where to draw the line? Worst case scenario, we have just seen in this area. Girls abused by asian / pakistani gangs. Rotherham council failed to act primarily through inability to cope with describing this problem. Result - no action, hundreds of girls left to suffer. so, yes, stop abusive terminolgy, but at a common sense level. That is right and same happens in sweden, there women dont dare to go out on their own. Same happened in Germany with the mass sex attacks by migrants in Cologne on new years eve. The police and authorities were too worried about political correctness, worried they would they be called racist if they made arrests and so on, and as a result justice was not done. Many women were raped and sexually assaulted that night, but there was an attempt at a cover up, and only a small handful of convictions have been made, while many appear to have got away with it. That is right and those attacks happens daily and the police in sweden are quieting their job, because they feel they cant do their job to the fullest, it is strange as it is the feminist party who accepts it to as they stand for womens right, there is a good quote I heard "It could of been a paradise, but they will be judge by history". These things have NOTHING to do with political correctness. They are failings of the police." Yes it is, because the people are not allowed to say what they want and say it is the immigrants problem, hence why you have to look at alternative media what is happening, instead of the propaganda. | |||
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"It depends how far it is taken. I agree, use of offence terms for ethnic groups, gay, disabled people is nasty and helps perpetuate prejudice. But , where to draw the line? Worst case scenario, we have just seen in this area. Girls abused by asian / pakistani gangs. Rotherham council failed to act primarily through inability to cope with describing this problem. Result - no action, hundreds of girls left to suffer. so, yes, stop abusive terminolgy, but at a common sense level. That is right and same happens in sweden, there women dont dare to go out on their own. Same happened in Germany with the mass sex attacks by migrants in Cologne on new years eve. The police and authorities were too worried about political correctness, worried they would they be called racist if they made arrests and so on, and as a result justice was not done. Many women were raped and sexually assaulted that night, but there was an attempt at a cover up, and only a small handful of convictions have been made, while many appear to have got away with it. " was there any instances whereby police stood by and watched offences as you state taking place and did nothing? news indeed .. | |||
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"It depends how far it is taken. I agree, use of offence terms for ethnic groups, gay, disabled people is nasty and helps perpetuate prejudice. But , where to draw the line? Worst case scenario, we have just seen in this area. Girls abused by asian / pakistani gangs. Rotherham council failed to act primarily through inability to cope with describing this problem. Result - no action, hundreds of girls left to suffer. so, yes, stop abusive terminolgy, but at a common sense level. That is right and same happens in sweden, there women dont dare to go out on their own. Same happened in Germany with the mass sex attacks by migrants in Cologne on new years eve. The police and authorities were too worried about political correctness, worried they would they be called racist if they made arrests and so on, and as a result justice was not done. Many women were raped and sexually assaulted that night, but there was an attempt at a cover up, and only a small handful of convictions have been made, while many appear to have got away with it. That is right and those attacks happens daily and the police in sweden are quieting their job, because they feel they cant do their job to the fullest, it is strange as it is the feminist party who accepts it to as they stand for womens right, there is a good quote I heard "It could of been a paradise, but they will be judge by history". These things have NOTHING to do with political correctness. They are failings of the police.Yes it is, because the people are not allowed to say what they want and say it is the immigrants problem, hence why you have to look at alternative media what is happening, instead of the propaganda." it was common in the media who the authorities were looking for, Centaur is attempting to portray a situation where police did not arrest those who were carrying out attacks.. patent nonsense to spin it that way.. | |||
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"Political correctness is a cancer in todays society, and it needs to be confronted and opposed where ever it rears its ugly head. " where there to be no cause there would be no reaction, that we have to have laws to protect people because some see them as different and treat them less equally says more about the sickness in society we have allowed to fester.. | |||
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"It depends how far it is taken. I agree, use of offence terms for ethnic groups, gay, disabled people is nasty and helps perpetuate prejudice. But , where to draw the line? Worst case scenario, we have just seen in this area. Girls abused by asian / pakistani gangs. Rotherham council failed to act primarily through inability to cope with describing this problem. Result - no action, hundreds of girls left to suffer. so, yes, stop abusive terminolgy, but at a common sense level. The situation around Rotherham was as much to do with the authorities and their opinion of girls who were vulnerable but not being seen as such. It was about the girls being given up upon ... and attitudes to white working class/benefit class girls .... " Didn't only happen in Rotherham though did it. It happened in Rochdale in Manchester too and Political correctness played a large part in it. | |||
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"It depends how far it is taken. I agree, use of offence terms for ethnic groups, gay, disabled people is nasty and helps perpetuate prejudice. But , where to draw the line? Worst case scenario, we have just seen in this area. Girls abused by asian / pakistani gangs. Rotherham council failed to act primarily through inability to cope with describing this problem. Result - no action, hundreds of girls left to suffer. so, yes, stop abusive terminolgy, but at a common sense level. The situation around Rotherham was as much to do with the authorities and their opinion of girls who were vulnerable but not being seen as such. It was about the girls being given up upon ... and attitudes to white working class/benefit class girls .... Didn't only happen in Rotherham though did it. It happened in Rochdale in Manchester too and Political correctness played a large part in it. " Doesn't matter where it happened ... it was about attitudes to the girls as much as the men. Hardly political correctness .... rather authorities dismissive poor white British girls for 'getting what they deserved' ... it was more about the whole system of child safeguarding. | |||
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"It depends how far it is taken. I agree, use of offence terms for ethnic groups, gay, disabled people is nasty and helps perpetuate prejudice. But , where to draw the line? Worst case scenario, we have just seen in this area. Girls abused by asian / pakistani gangs. Rotherham council failed to act primarily through inability to cope with describing this problem. Result - no action, hundreds of girls left to suffer. so, yes, stop abusive terminolgy, but at a common sense level. The situation around Rotherham was as much to do with the authorities and their opinion of girls who were vulnerable but not being seen as such. It was about the girls being given up upon ... and attitudes to white working class/benefit class girls .... Didn't only happen in Rotherham though did it. It happened in Rochdale in Manchester too and Political correctness played a large part in it. Doesn't matter where it happened ... it was about attitudes to the girls as much as the men. Hardly political correctness .... rather authorities dismissive poor white British girls for 'getting what they deserved' ... it was more about the whole system of child safeguarding. " and its also sadly taken place at the hands of white men too, but that doesn't serve the narrative some wish to portray.. | |||
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"It depends how far it is taken. I agree, use of offence terms for ethnic groups, gay, disabled people is nasty and helps perpetuate prejudice. But , where to draw the line? Worst case scenario, we have just seen in this area. Girls abused by asian / pakistani gangs. Rotherham council failed to act primarily through inability to cope with describing this problem. Result - no action, hundreds of girls left to suffer. so, yes, stop abusive terminolgy, but at a common sense level. That is right and same happens in sweden, there women dont dare to go out on their own. Same happened in Germany with the mass sex attacks by migrants in Cologne on new years eve. The police and authorities were too worried about political correctness, worried they would they be called racist if they made arrests and so on, and as a result justice was not done. Many women were raped and sexually assaulted that night, but there was an attempt at a cover up, and only a small handful of convictions have been made, while many appear to have got away with it. That is right and those attacks happens daily and the police in sweden are quieting their job, because they feel they cant do their job to the fullest, it is strange as it is the feminist party who accepts it to as they stand for womens right, there is a good quote I heard "It could of been a paradise, but they will be judge by history". These things have NOTHING to do with political correctness. They are failings of the police.Yes it is, because the people are not allowed to say what they want and say it is the immigrants problem, hence why you have to look at alternative media what is happening, instead of the propaganda. it was common in the media who the authorities were looking for, Centaur is attempting to portray a situation where police did not arrest those who were carrying out attacks.. patent nonsense to spin it that way.." Its been reported in the media that there were attempts by the authorities to cover up what happened in Cologne in the immediate aftermath. Political correctness played a large part in it. Stop burying your head in the sand. | |||
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"It depends how far it is taken. I agree, use of offence terms for ethnic groups, gay, disabled people is nasty and helps perpetuate prejudice. But , where to draw the line? Worst case scenario, we have just seen in this area. Girls abused by asian / pakistani gangs. Rotherham council failed to act primarily through inability to cope with describing this problem. Result - no action, hundreds of girls left to suffer. so, yes, stop abusive terminolgy, but at a common sense level. That is right and same happens in sweden, there women dont dare to go out on their own. Same happened in Germany with the mass sex attacks by migrants in Cologne on new years eve. The police and authorities were too worried about political correctness, worried they would they be called racist if they made arrests and so on, and as a result justice was not done. Many women were raped and sexually assaulted that night, but there was an attempt at a cover up, and only a small handful of convictions have been made, while many appear to have got away with it. That is right and those attacks happens daily and the police in sweden are quieting their job, because they feel they cant do their job to the fullest, it is strange as it is the feminist party who accepts it to as they stand for womens right, there is a good quote I heard "It could of been a paradise, but they will be judge by history". These things have NOTHING to do with political correctness. They are failings of the police.Yes it is, because the people are not allowed to say what they want and say it is the immigrants problem, hence why you have to look at alternative media what is happening, instead of the propaganda. it was common in the media who the authorities were looking for, Centaur is attempting to portray a situation where police did not arrest those who were carrying out attacks.. patent nonsense to spin it that way.." Yes he did there. I was jsut comparing the situation to swedens where the feminists dont let them have much power you know. | |||
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"It depends how far it is taken. I agree, use of offence terms for ethnic groups, gay, disabled people is nasty and helps perpetuate prejudice. But , where to draw the line? Worst case scenario, we have just seen in this area. Girls abused by asian / pakistani gangs. Rotherham council failed to act primarily through inability to cope with describing this problem. Result - no action, hundreds of girls left to suffer. so, yes, stop abusive terminolgy, but at a common sense level. The situation around Rotherham was as much to do with the authorities and their opinion of girls who were vulnerable but not being seen as such. It was about the girls being given up upon ... and attitudes to white working class/benefit class girls .... Didn't only happen in Rotherham though did it. It happened in Rochdale in Manchester too and Political correctness played a large part in it. Doesn't matter where it happened ... it was about attitudes to the girls as much as the men. Hardly political correctness .... rather authorities dismissive poor white British girls for 'getting what they deserved' ... it was more about the whole system of child safeguarding. " .....and the authorities fear of being labelled racist. | |||
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"It depends how far it is taken. I agree, use of offence terms for ethnic groups, gay, disabled people is nasty and helps perpetuate prejudice. But , where to draw the line? Worst case scenario, we have just seen in this area. Girls abused by asian / pakistani gangs. Rotherham council failed to act primarily through inability to cope with describing this problem. Result - no action, hundreds of girls left to suffer. so, yes, stop abusive terminolgy, but at a common sense level. The situation around Rotherham was as much to do with the authorities and their opinion of girls who were vulnerable but not being seen as such. It was about the girls being given up upon ... and attitudes to white working class/benefit class girls .... Didn't only happen in Rotherham though did it. It happened in Rochdale in Manchester too and Political correctness played a large part in it. Doesn't matter where it happened ... it was about attitudes to the girls as much as the men. Hardly political correctness .... rather authorities dismissive poor white British girls for 'getting what they deserved' ... it was more about the whole system of child safeguarding. .....and the authorities fear of being labelled racist. " As someone involved in child protection and someone with two teenage daughters, I am much more concerned with how they treated to the girls and their welfare and the systems that failed them and made them so vulnerable in the first place. I don't think it was a worry of being labelled a racist as much as a lack of understanding of vulnerability in teenage girls and having support systems in place for them | |||
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"It depends how far it is taken. I agree, use of offence terms for ethnic groups, gay, disabled people is nasty and helps perpetuate prejudice. But , where to draw the line? Worst case scenario, we have just seen in this area. Girls abused by asian / pakistani gangs. Rotherham council failed to act primarily through inability to cope with describing this problem. Result - no action, hundreds of girls left to suffer. so, yes, stop abusive terminolgy, but at a common sense level. The situation around Rotherham was as much to do with the authorities and their opinion of girls who were vulnerable but not being seen as such. It was about the girls being given up upon ... and attitudes to white working class/benefit class girls .... Didn't only happen in Rotherham though did it. It happened in Rochdale in Manchester too and Political correctness played a large part in it. Doesn't matter where it happened ... it was about attitudes to the girls as much as the men. Hardly political correctness .... rather authorities dismissive poor white British girls for 'getting what they deserved' ... it was more about the whole system of child safeguarding. and its also sadly taken place at the hands of white men too, but that doesn't serve the narrative some wish to portray.." | |||
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"What outrages me is the way that certain newspapers rightly highlight the Muslim gang abuse situation, yet remained silent for years about the abuse many hundreds of children suffered whilst in care.....If they had been as vitriolic about the covered up abuse in council care homes as they have been about the Rotherham cases then maybe it wouldn't have taken up to THIRTY years to bring the abuse of children to the public domain. I'm guessing it doesn't pander to the Right Wing to hear of 'homegrown' abuse as it's not palatable for them to hear the truth about their own....." True. Neither is worse than the other. Protect the innocent regardless of the perpetrator. | |||
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"What outrages me is the way that certain newspapers rightly highlight the Muslim gang abuse situation, yet remained silent for years about the abuse many hundreds of children suffered whilst in care.....If they had been as vitriolic about the covered up abuse in council care homes as they have been about the Rotherham cases then maybe it wouldn't have taken up to THIRTY years to bring the abuse of children to the public domain. I'm guessing it doesn't pander to the Right Wing to hear of 'homegrown' abuse as it's not palatable for them to hear the truth about their own..... True. Neither is worse than the other. Protect the innocent regardless of the perpetrator." Yes, and the 'authorities' did not see the girls as innocent, but if you trace their lives back you can see they and their families were failed by the system long before they were exploited. I think that is the true crime here ... and we still here about children and their families who are not supported through traumatic times | |||
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"It depends how far it is taken. I agree, use of offence terms for ethnic groups, gay, disabled people is nasty and helps perpetuate prejudice. But , where to draw the line? Worst case scenario, we have just seen in this area. Girls abused by asian / pakistani gangs. Rotherham council failed to act primarily through inability to cope with describing this problem. Result - no action, hundreds of girls left to suffer. so, yes, stop abusive terminolgy, but at a common sense level. That is right and same happens in sweden, there women dont dare to go out on their own. Same happened in Germany with the mass sex attacks by migrants in Cologne on new years eve. The police and authorities were too worried about political correctness, worried they would they be called racist if they made arrests and so on, and as a result justice was not done. Many women were raped and sexually assaulted that night, but there was an attempt at a cover up, and only a small handful of convictions have been made, while many appear to have got away with it. That is right and those attacks happens daily and the police in sweden are quieting their job, because they feel they cant do their job to the fullest, it is strange as it is the feminist party who accepts it to as they stand for womens right, there is a good quote I heard "It could of been a paradise, but they will be judge by history". These things have NOTHING to do with political correctness. They are failings of the police.Yes it is, because the people are not allowed to say what they want and say it is the immigrants problem, hence why you have to look at alternative media what is happening, instead of the propaganda. it was common in the media who the authorities were looking for, Centaur is attempting to portray a situation where police did not arrest those who were carrying out attacks.. patent nonsense to spin it that way.. Its been reported in the media that there were attempts by the authorities to cover up what happened in Cologne in the immediate aftermath. Political correctness played a large part in it. Stop burying your head in the sand. " you stated that the police were too 'worried' about pc and being called racist if they made arrests.. your spinning it to portray a slanted view on what happened. what happened was seriously wrong, its then been jumped on by the far right to further causes division.. no depth too low it appears.. any 'cover up' if it happened is wrong and should be addressed.. creating a narrative that the police did not carry out arrests as they were worried about being racist is patent nonsense.. | |||
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"What outrages me is the way that certain newspapers rightly highlight the Muslim gang abuse situation, yet remained silent for years about the abuse many hundreds of children suffered whilst in care.....If they had been as vitriolic about the covered up abuse in council care homes as they have been about the Rotherham cases then maybe it wouldn't have taken up to THIRTY years to bring the abuse of children to the public domain. I'm guessing it doesn't pander to the Right Wing to hear of 'homegrown' abuse as it's not palatable for them to hear the truth about their own....." this.. treating the vile abuse of children as a propaganda tool is disgusting.. its almost like we have never had any child abuse in the good old days.. | |||
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" So are we being too PC when we no longer ridicule black people in comedy shows?.....No, we are simply being decent human beings." So what is the difference between taking the mickey out of a black/asian/muslim person IN A MILD NON AGRESSIVE manner and taking the piss out of cameron sticking his dick in a pig or donald trumps hair ? Perhaps we should stop mentioning the warincase it upsets the germans NO ONE is condoning racism or discrimination but we need a sense of humour and if PC goes to far for fear of causing some alledged offence then it has gone too far | |||
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" So are we being too PC when we no longer ridicule black people in comedy shows?.....No, we are simply being decent human beings. So what is the difference between taking the mickey out of a black/asian/muslim person IN A MILD NON AGRESSIVE manner and taking the piss out of cameron sticking his dick in a pig or donald trumps hair ? Perhaps we should stop mentioning the warincase it upsets the germans NO ONE is condoning racism or discrimination but we need a sense of humour and if PC goes to far for fear of causing some alledged offence then it has gone too far " Would be interesting to see if "The Germans" episode of Fawlty Towers would be shown on telly today if it had never been shown on telly before. | |||
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" So are we being too PC when we no longer ridicule black people in comedy shows?.....No, we are simply being decent human beings. So what is the difference between taking the mickey out of a black/asian/muslim person IN A MILD NON AGRESSIVE manner and taking the piss out of cameron sticking his dick in a pig or donald trumps hair ? Perhaps we should stop mentioning the warincase it upsets the germans NO ONE is condoning racism or discrimination but we need a sense of humour and if PC goes to far for fear of causing some alledged offence then it has gone too far Would be interesting to see if "The Germans" episode of Fawlty Towers would be shown on telly today if it had never been shown on telly before. " 4 of us went to Charing cross to the fawlty towers school dinner show, what they did was to ask if there were any Austrians, Germans etc in the audience.. there were 6 people from Germany who when 'Basil' straight away started on about the war and did some goose stepping were in fits of laughter.. not the sort of show one would go to if one was delicate on such matters.. also I think that show and 'allo, allo' were both popular in Germany too.. a difference between satire which Germans do 'get' and crossing the line.. not the Siegfreid one.. | |||
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"I think that some people don’t understand the difference between political correctness, and people being a dickheads. I am pro PC, anti dickhead. Il always listen to your views as I think they are genuine , even if I disagree . So let's be objective . What do you think P C should be ? There are things that PC is, and there are things that PC isn't. The things that most get anti-PC people worked up are usually the things that aren't PC. There was a very quickly filled thread the other day about how you aren't allowed to call blackboards blackboard and you cant call whiteboards whiteboards because those terms are racist and how easter was being renamed the egg festival. None of those things are anything to do with political correctness, and they are total bollocks. I listened to Gillian Anderson (Scully) give an interview the other day. She was saying when they started making the X-Files again, they tried to pay her a lot less than her male colleague (Mulder) she told them to pay her equally, or she would walk. Things like equal pay are genuine issues. Using correct terms for people, instead of derogatory term is also a genuine part of political correctness. Some people on this forum have suggested that using offensive and derogatory terms would make the world better, but I dont think there is any truth in that. Why refer to a gay person as a fa**ot or a h**o instead of simply gay? Why refer to a black person as a n****r or an asian as a c***k? Do you think that that will make them like you more? As a white, heterosexual, western man, it can be hard to comprehend the negative impact such words have, or to understand the way in which language, amongst other things can be used to oppress people. If someone called you cr**ker or lim*y once, you would probably laugh it off, but if you were called that behind your back, or read it in the papers, or shouted it at you in the street, or broke into your house and painted it on your walls, you might start to feel a little differently about it. " Agree with some if that 
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" So are we being too PC when we no longer ridicule black people in comedy shows?.....No, we are simply being decent human beings. So what is the difference between taking the mickey out of a black/asian/muslim person IN A MILD NON AGRESSIVE manner and taking the piss out of cameron sticking his dick in a pig or donald trumps hair ? Perhaps we should stop mentioning the warincase it upsets the germans NO ONE is condoning racism or discrimination but we need a sense of humour and if PC goes to far for fear of causing some alledged offence then it has gone too far Would be interesting to see if "The Germans" episode of Fawlty Towers would be shown on telly today if it had never been shown on telly before. 4 of us went to Charing cross to the fawlty towers school dinner show, what they did was to ask if there were any Austrians, Germans etc in the audience.. there were 6 people from Germany who when 'Basil' straight away started on about the war and did some goose stepping were in fits of laughter.. not the sort of show one would go to if one was delicate on such matters.. also I think that show and 'allo, allo' were both popular in Germany too.. a difference between satire which Germans do 'get' and crossing the line.. not the Siegfreid one.. " Also, from Cleese himself, the satire was not at the experience of the Germans, who were portrayed as polite, reasonable and tolerant; but at the narrow minded, bigoted little Englander Basil who was consistently impolite, unreasonable and intolerant. Any one who thinks that episode is anti-German has clearly completely missed the joke. | |||
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" So are we being too PC when we no longer ridicule black people in comedy shows?.....No, we are simply being decent human beings. So what is the difference between taking the mickey out of a black/asian/muslim person IN A MILD NON AGRESSIVE manner and taking the piss out of cameron sticking his dick in a pig or donald trumps hair ? Perhaps we should stop mentioning the warincase it upsets the germans NO ONE is condoning racism or discrimination but we need a sense of humour and if PC goes to far for fear of causing some alledged offence then it has gone too far Would be interesting to see if "The Germans" episode of Fawlty Towers would be shown on telly today if it had never been shown on telly before. 4 of us went to Charing cross to the fawlty towers school dinner show, what they did was to ask if there were any Austrians, Germans etc in the audience.. there were 6 people from Germany who when 'Basil' straight away started on about the war and did some goose stepping were in fits of laughter.. not the sort of show one would go to if one was delicate on such matters.. also I think that show and 'allo, allo' were both popular in Germany too.. a difference between satire which Germans do 'get' and crossing the line.. not the Siegfreid one.. Also, from Cleese himself, the satire was not at the experience of the Germans, who were portrayed as polite, reasonable and tolerant; but at the narrow minded, bigoted little Englander Basil who was consistently impolite, unreasonable and intolerant. Any one who thinks that episode is anti-German has clearly completely missed the joke." It's not a question of who it offends or who is the butt of the joke, it's a question of whether or not it would be shown on television in today's climate of political correctness if no one had ever seen it before. I'm not sure it would be allowed to be shown on national television, especially on a politically correct station like the BBC. The BBC put a poppy on a furry hand puppet on The One show a week ago for fear of offending people if the puppet didn't wear a poppy, it's getting ridiculous. | |||
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" So are we being too PC when we no longer ridicule black people in comedy shows?.....No, we are simply being decent human beings. So what is the difference between taking the mickey out of a black/asian/muslim person IN A MILD NON AGRESSIVE manner and taking the piss out of cameron sticking his dick in a pig or donald trumps hair ? Perhaps we should stop mentioning the warincase it upsets the germans NO ONE is condoning racism or discrimination but we need a sense of humour and if PC goes to far for fear of causing some alledged offence then it has gone too far Would be interesting to see if "The Germans" episode of Fawlty Towers would be shown on telly today if it had never been shown on telly before. 4 of us went to Charing cross to the fawlty towers school dinner show, what they did was to ask if there were any Austrians, Germans etc in the audience.. there were 6 people from Germany who when 'Basil' straight away started on about the war and did some goose stepping were in fits of laughter.. not the sort of show one would go to if one was delicate on such matters.. also I think that show and 'allo, allo' were both popular in Germany too.. a difference between satire which Germans do 'get' and crossing the line.. not the Siegfreid one.. Also, from Cleese himself, the satire was not at the experience of the Germans, who were portrayed as polite, reasonable and tolerant; but at the narrow minded, bigoted little Englander Basil who was consistently impolite, unreasonable and intolerant. Any one who thinks that episode is anti-German has clearly completely missed the joke. It's not a question of who it offends or who is the butt of the joke, it's a question of whether or not it would be shown on television in today's climate of political correctness if no one had ever seen it before. I'm not sure it would be allowed to be shown on national television, especially on a politically correct station like the BBC. The BBC put a poppy on a furry hand puppet on The One show a week ago for fear of offending people if the puppet didn't wear a poppy, it's getting ridiculous. " I've no problem with, or opinion on, the BBC putting a poppy on the Cookie-Monster or not. As for the German's sketch I think it probably would be aloud but it's really just personal opinion from both of us so really quiet irrelevant. But on that Germans' sketch I think Nigel Farage would make a perfect stand-in for Cleese as the Basil character, don't you? | |||
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" So are we being too PC when we no longer ridicule black people in comedy shows?.....No, we are simply being decent human beings. So what is the difference between taking the mickey out of a black/asian/muslim person IN A MILD NON AGRESSIVE manner and taking the piss out of cameron sticking his dick in a pig or donald trumps hair ? Perhaps we should stop mentioning the warincase it upsets the germans NO ONE is condoning racism or discrimination but we need a sense of humour and if PC goes to far for fear of causing some alledged offence then it has gone too far Would be interesting to see if "The Germans" episode of Fawlty Towers would be shown on telly today if it had never been shown on telly before. 4 of us went to Charing cross to the fawlty towers school dinner show, what they did was to ask if there were any Austrians, Germans etc in the audience.. there were 6 people from Germany who when 'Basil' straight away started on about the war and did some goose stepping were in fits of laughter.. not the sort of show one would go to if one was delicate on such matters.. also I think that show and 'allo, allo' were both popular in Germany too.. a difference between satire which Germans do 'get' and crossing the line.. not the Siegfreid one.. Also, from Cleese himself, the satire was not at the experience of the Germans, who were portrayed as polite, reasonable and tolerant; but at the narrow minded, bigoted little Englander Basil who was consistently impolite, unreasonable and intolerant. Any one who thinks that episode is anti-German has clearly completely missed the joke. It's not a question of who it offends or who is the butt of the joke, it's a question of whether or not it would be shown on television in today's climate of political correctness if no one had ever seen it before. I'm not sure it would be allowed to be shown on national television, especially on a politically correct station like the BBC. The BBC put a poppy on a furry hand puppet on The One show a week ago for fear of offending people if the puppet didn't wear a poppy, it's getting ridiculous. I've no problem with, or opinion on, the BBC putting a poppy on the Cookie-Monster or not. As for the German's sketch I think it probably would be aloud but it's really just personal opinion from both of us so really quiet irrelevant. But on that Germans' sketch I think Nigel Farage would make a perfect stand-in for Cleese as the Basil character, don't you? "Considering Farage has a German wife I don't think that would go down well. | |||
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" Considering Farage has a German wife I don't think that would go down well. "Which just proves the point that we need immigrants to do the things that Brits don't want to do. | |||
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" Considering Farage has a German wife I don't think that would go down well.
Which just proves the point that we need immigrants to do the things that Brits don't want to do. "It was a joke (hint :the green smiley emoticon is a dead giveaway). | |||
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" Considering Farage has a German wife I don't think that would go down well.
Which just proves the point that we need immigrants to do the things that Brits don't want to do.
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Which just proves the point that we need immigrants to do the things that Brits don't want to do.
It was a joke (hint :the green smiley emoticon is a dead giveaway).
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" Considering Farage has a German wife I don't think that would go down well.
Which just proves the point that we need immigrants to do the things that Brits don't want to do. "We need to kick some of the brits up the arse and give them a job to do weather they like it or not. Even people with disabilities can do something, and yes there will always be an exception | |||
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" Considering Farage has a German wife I don't think that would go down well.
Which just proves the point that we need immigrants to do the things that Brits don't want to do.
We need to kick some of the brits up the arse and give them a job to do weather they like it or not.
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" Considering Farage has a German wife I don't think that would go down well.
Which just proves the point that we need immigrants to do the things that Brits don't want to do.
We need to kick some of the brits up the arse and give them a job to do weather they like it or not.
Even people with disabilities can do something, and yes there will always be an exception "I have a friend who is in a wheelchair and hauls bales of hay about,drives a minidigger by hauling himself up in it he is a marvel,if he can do that there are very few who cant do something, its a state of mind | |||
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"Generally when people refer to gays as faggots or homos, or black people as niggers, or Asians as gooks it is because they fear something about them. If that fear is not addressed and corrected it builds to anger, that can easily develop into hatred and lead to violence. I disagree with this contention, it isn't fear, in my opinion it is hatred. I find that generally when people use sue negative descriptive words for people it is because they are not nice people. I always remember when my youngest started play school, he'd come home every day telling us about his 'girlfriend' Sarah. When we would ask what she was like he'd use terms like: 'good at paintings' 'she's got a nice smile' 'her hair is curly' 'she's got big eyes' As my former in-laws used to take him to and collect him from playgroup, my ex partner and I had never laid eyes on Sarah. When we threw a party got his 3rd birthday, we invited all the children from playgroup. When we met Sarah, we found that she was a beautiful little black girl. Her mam and dad had fled Sierra Leone (I think). He was right, she had a lovely smile and beautiful curly hair. The moral is that prejudice is learnt. He didn't need to use negative terms to describe her. He saw her for who she was, a human being. But 'black' isn't a negative term. If you use that as a prejudiced way, I agree. If you were in a pub and wanted to point someone out, you might say ' the lady stood next to the black guy' . That's not prejudiced or negative. I find refusing to acknowledge the existence of someones colour even worse, as though colour is s bad thing." I know it isn't. I'm pointing out that my son didn't see her skin colour. Nothing else. If | |||
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" So are we being too PC when we no longer ridicule black people in comedy shows?.....No, we are simply being decent human beings. So what is the difference between taking the mickey out of a black/asian/muslim person IN A MILD NON AGRESSIVE manner and taking the piss out of cameron sticking his dick in a pig or donald trumps hair ? Perhaps we should stop mentioning the warincase it upsets the germans NO ONE is condoning racism or discrimination but we need a sense of humour and if PC goes to far for fear of causing some alledged offence then it has gone too far Would be interesting to see if "The Germans" episode of Fawlty Towers would be shown on telly today if it had never been shown on telly before. 4 of us went to Charing cross to the fawlty towers school dinner show, what they did was to ask if there were any Austrians, Germans etc in the audience.. there were 6 people from Germany who when 'Basil' straight away started on about the war and did some goose stepping were in fits of laughter.. not the sort of show one would go to if one was delicate on such matters.. also I think that show and 'allo, allo' were both popular in Germany too.. a difference between satire which Germans do 'get' and crossing the line.. not the Siegfreid one.. Also, from Cleese himself, the satire was not at the experience of the Germans, who were portrayed as polite, reasonable and tolerant; but at the narrow minded, bigoted little Englander Basil who was consistently impolite, unreasonable and intolerant. Any one who thinks that episode is anti-German has clearly completely missed the joke. It's not a question of who it offends or who is the butt of the joke, it's a question of whether or not it would be shown on television in today's climate of political correctness if no one had ever seen it before. I'm not sure it would be allowed to be shown on national television, especially on a politically correct station like the BBC. The BBC put a poppy on a furry hand puppet on The One show a week ago for fear of offending people if the puppet didn't wear a poppy, it's getting ridiculous. " Wearing a poppy or not is very little to do with PC. Having to wear a poppy is its own particular sentiment, much more likely to be enforced by the right than than the 'PC' left. | |||
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" But 'black' isn't a negative term. If you use that as a prejudiced way, I agree. If you were in a pub and wanted to point someone out, you might say ' the lady stood next to the black guy' . That's not prejudiced or negative. I find refusing to acknowledge the existence of someones colour even worse, as though colour is s bad thing. I know it isn't. I'm pointing out that my son didn't see her skin colour. Nothing else. If " sorry misunderstood your post | |||
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"PC is bullshit,a left wing perversion to change society it also racist and is an underlying problem within society causing violence." Yes. Asking people not to use racist terms is racist. Sigh. | |||
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"Political correctness is a cancer in todays society, and it needs to be confronted and opposed where ever it rears its ugly head. where there to be no cause there would be no reaction, that we have to have laws to protect people because some see them as different and treat them less equally says more about the sickness in society we have allowed to fester.. " Everyone agrees that people should be treated equally.. However people should not be given preferences in recruitnent of positions because they are from an ethnic minority and authorities should not be prevented from investigating crime because someone is from a minority group. | |||
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"It depends how far it is taken. I agree, use of offence terms for ethnic groups, gay, disabled people is nasty and helps perpetuate prejudice. But , where to draw the line? Worst case scenario, we have just seen in this area. Girls abused by asian / pakistani gangs. Rotherham council failed to act primarily through inability to cope with describing this problem. Result - no action, hundreds of girls left to suffer. so, yes, stop abusive terminolgy, but at a common sense level. That is right and same happens in sweden, there women dont dare to go out on their own. Same happened in Germany with the mass sex attacks by migrants in Cologne on new years eve. The police and authorities were too worried about political correctness, worried they would they be called racist if they made arrests and so on, and as a result justice was not done. Many women were raped and sexually assaulted that night, but there was an attempt at a cover up, and only a small handful of convictions have been made, while many appear to have got away with it. That is right and those attacks happens daily and the police in sweden are quieting their job, because they feel they cant do their job to the fullest, it is strange as it is the feminist party who accepts it to as they stand for womens right, there is a good quote I heard "It could of been a paradise, but they will be judge by history". These things have NOTHING to do with political correctness. They are failings of the police.Yes it is, because the people are not allowed to say what they want and say it is the immigrants problem, hence why you have to look at alternative media what is happening, instead of the propaganda. it was common in the media who the authorities were looking for, Centaur is attempting to portray a situation where police did not arrest those who were carrying out attacks.. patent nonsense to spin it that way.. Its been reported in the media that there were attempts by the authorities to cover up what happened in Cologne in the immediate aftermath. Political correctness played a large part in it. Stop burying your head in the sand. you stated that the police were too 'worried' about pc and being called racist if they made arrests.. your spinning it to portray a slanted view on what happened. what happened was seriously wrong, its then been jumped on by the far right to further causes division.. no depth too low it appears.. any 'cover up' if it happened is wrong and should be addressed.. creating a narrative that the police did not carry out arrests as they were worried about being racist is patent nonsense.." How can it be patent nonesense . ? A lot of say say that the police are afraid to investigate crime in case they upset ethnic minorities . It may be nonsense to you but not to lots of other posters. | |||
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"It depends how far it is taken. I agree, use of offence terms for ethnic groups, gay, disabled people is nasty and helps perpetuate prejudice. But , where to draw the line? Worst case scenario, we have just seen in this area. Girls abused by asian / pakistani gangs. Rotherham council failed to act primarily through inability to cope with describing this problem. Result - no action, hundreds of girls left to suffer. so, yes, stop abusive terminolgy, but at a common sense level. That is right and same happens in sweden, there women dont dare to go out on their own. Same happened in Germany with the mass sex attacks by migrants in Cologne on new years eve. The police and authorities were too worried about political correctness, worried they would they be called racist if they made arrests and so on, and as a result justice was not done. Many women were raped and sexually assaulted that night, but there was an attempt at a cover up, and only a small handful of convictions have been made, while many appear to have got away with it. That is right and those attacks happens daily and the police in sweden are quieting their job, because they feel they cant do their job to the fullest, it is strange as it is the feminist party who accepts it to as they stand for womens right, there is a good quote I heard "It could of been a paradise, but they will be judge by history". These things have NOTHING to do with political correctness. They are failings of the police." Or the police were afraid to act because they did not wabt to be seen to be discriminating . | |||
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"What outrages me is the way that certain newspapers rightly highlight the Muslim gang abuse situation, yet remained silent for years about the abuse many hundreds of children suffered whilst in care.....If they had been as vitriolic about the covered up abuse in council care homes as they have been about the Rotherham cases then maybe it wouldn't have taken up to THIRTY years to bring the abuse of children to the public domain. I'm guessing it doesn't pander to the Right Wing to hear of 'homegrown' abuse as it's not palatable for them to hear the truth about their own....." I have seen lots of abuse cases reported in the press. Which newspaper do you read ?. | |||
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" These things have NOTHING to do with political correctness. They are failings of the police." This is just one of the many, oft-repeated, sickening politically correct apologies for rape and sex assaults on this and similar threads!? | |||
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" Considering Farage has a German wife I don't think that would go down well.
Which just proves the point that we need immigrants to do the things that Brits don't want to do.
We need to kick some of the brits up the arse and give them a job to do weather they like it or not.
Even people with disabilities can do something, and yes there will always be an exception
I have a friend who is in a wheelchair and hauls bales of hay about,drives a minidigger by hauling himself up in it he is a marvel,if he can do that there are very few who cant do something, its a state of mind "Exactly this its and hat off to him for just getting on with it and not letting anything stop him | |||
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"With reference to sex attacks by muslim gangs in Rotherham AND Germany AND Sweden incredibly it has been posted: These things have NOTHING to do with political correctness. They are failings of the police. This is just one of the many, oft-repeated, sickening politically correct apologies for rape and sex assaults on this and similar threads!? " It is absolutely no such thing. If someone commits a rape or sexual assault, or any other crime for that matter, they should be thoroughly investigated and prosecuted, regardless of their background. | |||
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"" These things have NOTHING to do with political correctness. They are failings of the police." ? They are faced with an almost impossible task these days with so many restrictions to make sure they do not upset the PC brigade " No they're not, they are faced with an almost impossible task due to budget cuts not only to policing, but to the NHS, social services, social care etc. It's easier to blame it on the "PC brigade" than to admit its right wing governments slashing funding. | |||
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"With reference to sex attacks by muslim gangs in Rotherham AND Germany AND Sweden incredibly it has been posted: These things have NOTHING to do with political correctness. They are failings of the police. This is just one of the many, oft-repeated, sickening politically correct apologies for rape and sex assaults on this and similar threads!? " Bs Care to quote anyone who has ever done so? You can't as no one ever has Stop lying | |||
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"It depends how far it is taken. I agree, use of offence terms for ethnic groups, gay, disabled people is nasty and helps perpetuate prejudice. But , where to draw the line? Worst case scenario, we have just seen in this area. Girls abused by asian / pakistani gangs. Rotherham council failed to act primarily through inability to cope with describing this problem. Result - no action, hundreds of girls left to suffer. so, yes, stop abusive terminolgy, but at a common sense level. That is right and same happens in sweden, there women dont dare to go out on their own. Same happened in Germany with the mass sex attacks by migrants in Cologne on new years eve. The police and authorities were too worried about political correctness, worried they would they be called racist if they made arrests and so on, and as a result justice was not done. Many women were raped and sexually assaulted that night, but there was an attempt at a cover up, and only a small handful of convictions have been made, while many appear to have got away with it. That is right and those attacks happens daily and the police in sweden are quieting their job, because they feel they cant do their job to the fullest, it is strange as it is the feminist party who accepts it to as they stand for womens right, there is a good quote I heard "It could of been a paradise, but they will be judge by history". These things have NOTHING to do with political correctness. They are failings of the police. Or the police were afraid to act because they did not wabt to be seen to be discriminating . " That is right it it is all about political correctness, the police cant do their job because of the feminists that governs, hence why sd needs to get in soon to restore law and order. | |||
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"" These things have NOTHING to do with political correctness. They are failings of the police." ? They are faced with an almost impossible task these days with so many restrictions to make sure they do not upset the PC brigade No they're not, they are faced with an almost impossible task due to budget cuts not only to policing, but to the NHS, social services, social care etc. It's easier to blame it on the "PC brigade" than to admit its right wing governments slashing funding. " We're budget cuts responsible for the police and other authority handling in Rotherham from 1997 on? Widespread organized child sexual abuse took place in Rotherham, South Yorkshire, England, between 1997 and 2013. Local investigations into the abuse began in 1999, although some reports were never finalised or made public by the authorities. In 2010, five men of Pakistani heritage were found guilty of a series of sexual offences against girls as young as twelve. A subsequent investigation by The Times reported that the child sex exploitation was much more widespread, and the Home Affairs Select Committee criticised the South Yorkshire Police force and Rotherham Metropolitan Borough Council for their handling and covering up of the abuse. An independent inquiry into child sexual abuse in the town, led by Professor Alexis Jay, was established in 2013 for Rotherham Council. The inquiry's initial report, published on 26 August 2014, condemned the FAILURE of the authorities in Rotherham to act effectively against the abuse or even, in some cases, to acknowledge that it was taking place. The report estimated that 1,400 children had been sexually abused in the town between 1997 and 2013, predominantly by gangs of British-Pakistani men. Abuses described included abduction, rape, torture and sex trafficking of children. Members of the British-Pakistani Muslim community condemned both the sexual abuse and the fact that it had been covered up for fear of "giving oxygen" to racism. The leader of Rotherham Borough Council, Roger Stone, resigned, as did the council's Chief Executive, Martin Kimber, and the director of children's services, Joyce Thacker. Shaun Wright, the Police and Crime Commissioner (PCC) for South Yorkshire who had been a Labour councillor in charge of child safety at the council, stood down on 16 September, after initially refusing demands that he should do so. The Home Secretary, Theresa May, blamed the failure of the authorities in Rotherham on "institutionalised political correctness", and Denis MacShane, the former MP for Rotherham during the period covered by the report, admitted that he had been "guilty of doing too little" to investigate the extent of the sex crimes being committed in his constituency. | |||
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"" These things have NOTHING to do with political correctness. They are failings of the police." ? They are faced with an almost impossible task these days with so many restrictions to make sure they do not upset the PC brigade No they're not, they are faced with an almost impossible task due to budget cuts not only to policing, but to the NHS, social services, social care etc. It's easier to blame it on the "PC brigade" than to admit its right wing governments slashing funding. We're budget cuts responsible for the police and other authority handling in Rotherham from 1997 on? Widespread organized child sexual abuse took place in Rotherham, South Yorkshire, England, between 1997 and 2013. Local investigations into the abuse began in 1999, although some reports were never finalised or made public by the authorities. In 2010, five men of Pakistani heritage were found guilty of a series of sexual offences against girls as young as twelve. A subsequent investigation by The Times reported that the child sex exploitation was much more widespread, and the Home Affairs Select Committee criticised the South Yorkshire Police force and Rotherham Metropolitan Borough Council for their handling and covering up of the abuse. An independent inquiry into child sexual abuse in the town, led by Professor Alexis Jay, was established in 2013 for Rotherham Council. The inquiry's initial report, published on 26 August 2014, condemned the FAILURE of the authorities in Rotherham to act effectively against the abuse or even, in some cases, to acknowledge that it was taking place. The report estimated that 1,400 children had been sexually abused in the town between 1997 and 2013, predominantly by gangs of British-Pakistani men. Abuses described included abduction, rape, torture and sex trafficking of children. Members of the British-Pakistani Muslim community condemned both the sexual abuse and the fact that it had been covered up for fear of "giving oxygen" to racism. The leader of Rotherham Borough Council, Roger Stone, resigned, as did the council's Chief Executive, Martin Kimber, and the director of children's services, Joyce Thacker. Shaun Wright, the Police and Crime Commissioner (PCC) for South Yorkshire who had been a Labour councillor in charge of child safety at the council, stood down on 16 September, after initially refusing demands that he should do so. The Home Secretary, Theresa May, blamed the failure of the authorities in Rotherham on "institutionalised political correctness", and Denis MacShane, the former MP for Rotherham during the period covered by the report, admitted that he had been "guilty of doing too little" to investigate the extent of the sex crimes being committed in his constituency. " Well the real question is "was political correctness responsible for that?" | |||
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"" These things have NOTHING to do with political correctness. They are failings of the police." ? They are faced with an almost impossible task these days with so many restrictions to make sure they do not upset the PC brigade No they're not, they are faced with an almost impossible task due to budget cuts not only to policing, but to the NHS, social services, social care etc. It's easier to blame it on the "PC brigade" than to admit its right wing governments slashing funding. We're budget cuts responsible for the police and other authority handling in Rotherham from 1997 on? Widespread organized child sexual abuse took place in Rotherham, South Yorkshire, England, between 1997 and 2013. Local investigations into the abuse began in 1999, although some reports were never finalised or made public by the authorities. In 2010, five men of Pakistani heritage were found guilty of a series of sexual offences against girls as young as twelve. A subsequent investigation by The Times reported that the child sex exploitation was much more widespread, and the Home Affairs Select Committee criticised the South Yorkshire Police force and Rotherham Metropolitan Borough Council for their handling and covering up of the abuse. An independent inquiry into child sexual abuse in the town, led by Professor Alexis Jay, was established in 2013 for Rotherham Council. The inquiry's initial report, published on 26 August 2014, condemned the FAILURE of the authorities in Rotherham to act effectively against the abuse or even, in some cases, to acknowledge that it was taking place. The report estimated that 1,400 children had been sexually abused in the town between 1997 and 2013, predominantly by gangs of British-Pakistani men. Abuses described included abduction, rape, torture and sex trafficking of children. Members of the British-Pakistani Muslim community condemned both the sexual abuse and the fact that it had been covered up for fear of "giving oxygen" to racism. The leader of Rotherham Borough Council, Roger Stone, resigned, as did the council's Chief Executive, Martin Kimber, and the director of children's services, Joyce Thacker. Shaun Wright, the Police and Crime Commissioner (PCC) for South Yorkshire who had been a Labour councillor in charge of child safety at the council, stood down on 16 September, after initially refusing demands that he should do so. The Home Secretary, Theresa May, blamed the failure of the authorities in Rotherham on "institutionalised political correctness", and Denis MacShane, the former MP for Rotherham during the period covered by the report, admitted that he had been "guilty of doing too little" to investigate the extent of the sex crimes being committed in his constituency. Well the real question is "was political correctness responsible for that?"" Well, the Home Secretary of the day, someone who is much more of an expert on the subject than you, and who undoubtedly has a lot more access to SMEs than you have, and is much more familiar with The findings of the independent inquiry than you, blamed the failure of the authorities on 'institutionilised political correctness'. | |||
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"" These things have NOTHING to do with political correctness. They are failings of the police." ? They are faced with an almost impossible task these days with so many restrictions to make sure they do not upset the PC brigade No they're not, they are faced with an almost impossible task due to budget cuts not only to policing, but to the NHS, social services, social care etc. It's easier to blame it on the "PC brigade" than to admit its right wing governments slashing funding. We're budget cuts responsible for the police and other authority handling in Rotherham from 1997 on? Widespread organized child sexual abuse took place in Rotherham, South Yorkshire, England, between 1997 and 2013. Local investigations into the abuse began in 1999, although some reports were never finalised or made public by the authorities. In 2010, five men of Pakistani heritage were found guilty of a series of sexual offences against girls as young as twelve. A subsequent investigation by The Times reported that the child sex exploitation was much more widespread, and the Home Affairs Select Committee criticised the South Yorkshire Police force and Rotherham Metropolitan Borough Council for their handling and covering up of the abuse. An independent inquiry into child sexual abuse in the town, led by Professor Alexis Jay, was established in 2013 for Rotherham Council. The inquiry's initial report, published on 26 August 2014, condemned the FAILURE of the authorities in Rotherham to act effectively against the abuse or even, in some cases, to acknowledge that it was taking place. The report estimated that 1,400 children had been sexually abused in the town between 1997 and 2013, predominantly by gangs of British-Pakistani men. Abuses described included abduction, rape, torture and sex trafficking of children. Members of the British-Pakistani Muslim community condemned both the sexual abuse and the fact that it had been covered up for fear of "giving oxygen" to racism. The leader of Rotherham Borough Council, Roger Stone, resigned, as did the council's Chief Executive, Martin Kimber, and the director of children's services, Joyce Thacker. Shaun Wright, the Police and Crime Commissioner (PCC) for South Yorkshire who had been a Labour councillor in charge of child safety at the council, stood down on 16 September, after initially refusing demands that he should do so. The Home Secretary, Theresa May, blamed the failure of the authorities in Rotherham on "institutionalised political correctness", and Denis MacShane, the former MP for Rotherham during the period covered by the report, admitted that he had been "guilty of doing too little" to investigate the extent of the sex crimes being committed in his constituency. Well the real question is "was political correctness responsible for that?" Well, the Home Secretary of the day, someone who is much more of an expert on the subject than you, and who undoubtedly has a lot more access to SMEs than you have, and is much more familiar with The findings of the independent inquiry than you, blamed the failure of the authorities on 'institutionilised political correctness'." So now, again to the question I asked.... Were budget cuts responsible for all the child abuse in Rotherham? | |||
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"" These things have NOTHING to do with political correctness. They are failings of the police." ? They are faced with an almost impossible task these days with so many restrictions to make sure they do not upset the PC brigade No they're not, they are faced with an almost impossible task due to budget cuts not only to policing, but to the NHS, social services, social care etc. It's easier to blame it on the "PC brigade" than to admit its right wing governments slashing funding. We're budget cuts responsible for the police and other authority handling in Rotherham from 1997 on? Widespread organized child sexual abuse took place in Rotherham, South Yorkshire, England, between 1997 and 2013. Local investigations into the abuse began in 1999, although some reports were never finalised or made public by the authorities. In 2010, five men of Pakistani heritage were found guilty of a series of sexual offences against girls as young as twelve. A subsequent investigation by The Times reported that the child sex exploitation was much more widespread, and the Home Affairs Select Committee criticised the South Yorkshire Police force and Rotherham Metropolitan Borough Council for their handling and covering up of the abuse. An independent inquiry into child sexual abuse in the town, led by Professor Alexis Jay, was established in 2013 for Rotherham Council. The inquiry's initial report, published on 26 August 2014, condemned the FAILURE of the authorities in Rotherham to act effectively against the abuse or even, in some cases, to acknowledge that it was taking place. The report estimated that 1,400 children had been sexually abused in the town between 1997 and 2013, predominantly by gangs of British-Pakistani men. Abuses described included abduction, rape, torture and sex trafficking of children. Members of the British-Pakistani Muslim community condemned both the sexual abuse and the fact that it had been covered up for fear of "giving oxygen" to racism. The leader of Rotherham Borough Council, Roger Stone, resigned, as did the council's Chief Executive, Martin Kimber, and the director of children's services, Joyce Thacker. Shaun Wright, the Police and Crime Commissioner (PCC) for South Yorkshire who had been a Labour councillor in charge of child safety at the council, stood down on 16 September, after initially refusing demands that he should do so. The Home Secretary, Theresa May, blamed the failure of the authorities in Rotherham on "institutionalised political correctness", and Denis MacShane, the former MP for Rotherham during the period covered by the report, admitted that he had been "guilty of doing too little" to investigate the extent of the sex crimes being committed in his constituency. Well the real question is "was political correctness responsible for that?" Well, the Home Secretary of the day, someone who is much more of an expert on the subject than you, and who undoubtedly has a lot more access to SMEs than you have, and is much more familiar with The findings of the independent inquiry than you, blamed the failure of the authorities on 'institutionilised political correctness'. So now, again to the question I asked.... Were budget cuts responsible for all the child abuse in Rotherham?" Well that does deflect quite nicely from any responsibility of her office doesn't it? Massive failing in policing not being the fault of the Home Secretary, but being the fault of "political correctness".
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"" So now, again to the question I asked.... Were budget cuts responsible for all the child abuse in Rotherham?" No! The fear of being branded rasist and biased was responsible in my humble opinion | |||
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"" These things have NOTHING to do with political correctness. They are failings of the police." ? They are faced with an almost impossible task these days with so many restrictions to make sure they do not upset the PC brigade No they're not, they are faced with an almost impossible task due to budget cuts not only to policing, but to the NHS, social services, social care etc. It's easier to blame it on the "PC brigade" than to admit its right wing governments slashing funding. We're budget cuts responsible for the police and other authority handling in Rotherham from 1997 on? Widespread organized child sexual abuse took place in Rotherham, South Yorkshire, England, between 1997 and 2013. Local investigations into the abuse began in 1999, although some reports were never finalised or made public by the authorities. In 2010, five men of Pakistani heritage were found guilty of a series of sexual offences against girls as young as twelve. A subsequent investigation by The Times reported that the child sex exploitation was much more widespread, and the Home Affairs Select Committee criticised the South Yorkshire Police force and Rotherham Metropolitan Borough Council for their handling and covering up of the abuse. An independent inquiry into child sexual abuse in the town, led by Professor Alexis Jay, was established in 2013 for Rotherham Council. The inquiry's initial report, published on 26 August 2014, condemned the FAILURE of the authorities in Rotherham to act effectively against the abuse or even, in some cases, to acknowledge that it was taking place. The report estimated that 1,400 children had been sexually abused in the town between 1997 and 2013, predominantly by gangs of British-Pakistani men. Abuses described included abduction, rape, torture and sex trafficking of children. Members of the British-Pakistani Muslim community condemned both the sexual abuse and the fact that it had been covered up for fear of "giving oxygen" to racism. The leader of Rotherham Borough Council, Roger Stone, resigned, as did the council's Chief Executive, Martin Kimber, and the director of children's services, Joyce Thacker. Shaun Wright, the Police and Crime Commissioner (PCC) for South Yorkshire who had been a Labour councillor in charge of child safety at the council, stood down on 16 September, after initially refusing demands that he should do so. The Home Secretary, Theresa May, blamed the failure of the authorities in Rotherham on "institutionalised political correctness", and Denis MacShane, the former MP for Rotherham during the period covered by the report, admitted that he had been "guilty of doing too little" to investigate the extent of the sex crimes being committed in his constituency. Well the real question is "was political correctness responsible for that?" Well, the Home Secretary of the day, someone who is much more of an expert on the subject than you, and who undoubtedly has a lot more access to SMEs than you have, and is much more familiar with The findings of the independent inquiry than you, blamed the failure of the authorities on 'institutionilised political correctness'. So now, again to the question I asked.... Were budget cuts responsible for all the child abuse in Rotherham? Well that does deflect quite nicely from any responsibility of her office doesn't it? Massive failing in policing not being the fault of the Home Secretary, but being the fault of "political correctness".
Do you think more social workers, and more specially trained police would have helped, or hindered the situation? Of course cuts have negative impacts. "So basically, what you're saying is that the police were not to blame. get this..... the abuse case was about the period from 1997 to 2010. Before Theresa May was Home Secretary, and before cuts came in.... It had fuck all to do with cuts. I know people that are in the education system in Rotherham, and they have a very low opinion of the police or the care system there. For example, a child hadn't turned up at school, the school reported it, police and social services both turned up, and both said the girl was a naughty girl and had probably just run away from home. She turned up 3 weeks later, being pimped out.... An example of cuts, maybe? Or of the findings from the independent inquiry? | |||
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"With reference to sex attacks by muslim gangs in Rotherham AND Germany AND Sweden incredibly it has been posted: These things have NOTHING to do with political correctness. They are failings of the police. This is just one of the many, oft-repeated, sickening politically correct apologies for rape and sex assaults on this and similar threads!? It is absolutely no such thing. If someone commits a rape or sexual assault, or any other crime for that matter, they should be thoroughly investigated and prosecuted, regardless of their background." They SHOULD be , but they weren't. All the inquiries and statements by leading figures involved in the investigation, cite Political Correctness and fear of being branded racist as a major factor in the failings of these poor girls. It is well known that this was the main causal factor. These failings were within the council and the Police. | |||
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"" These things have NOTHING to do with political correctness. They are failings of the police." ? They are faced with an almost impossible task these days with so many restrictions to make sure they do not upset the PC brigade No they're not, they are faced with an almost impossible task due to budget cuts not only to policing, but to the NHS, social services, social care etc. It's easier to blame it on the "PC brigade" than to admit its right wing governments slashing funding. We're budget cuts responsible for the police and other authority handling in Rotherham from 1997 on? Widespread organized child sexual abuse took place in Rotherham, South Yorkshire, England, between 1997 and 2013. Local investigations into the abuse began in 1999, although some reports were never finalised or made public by the authorities. In 2010, five men of Pakistani heritage were found guilty of a series of sexual offences against girls as young as twelve. A subsequent investigation by The Times reported that the child sex exploitation was much more widespread, and the Home Affairs Select Committee criticised the South Yorkshire Police force and Rotherham Metropolitan Borough Council for their handling and covering up of the abuse. An independent inquiry into child sexual abuse in the town, led by Professor Alexis Jay, was established in 2013 for Rotherham Council. The inquiry's initial report, published on 26 August 2014, condemned the FAILURE of the authorities in Rotherham to act effectively against the abuse or even, in some cases, to acknowledge that it was taking place. The report estimated that 1,400 children had been sexually abused in the town between 1997 and 2013, predominantly by gangs of British-Pakistani men. Abuses described included abduction, rape, torture and sex trafficking of children. Members of the British-Pakistani Muslim community condemned both the sexual abuse and the fact that it had been covered up for fear of "giving oxygen" to racism. The leader of Rotherham Borough Council, Roger Stone, resigned, as did the council's Chief Executive, Martin Kimber, and the director of children's services, Joyce Thacker. Shaun Wright, the Police and Crime Commissioner (PCC) for South Yorkshire who had been a Labour councillor in charge of child safety at the council, stood down on 16 September, after initially refusing demands that he should do so. The Home Secretary, Theresa May, blamed the failure of the authorities in Rotherham on "institutionalised political correctness", and Denis MacShane, the former MP for Rotherham during the period covered by the report, admitted that he had been "guilty of doing too little" to investigate the extent of the sex crimes being committed in his constituency. Well the real question is "was political correctness responsible for that?" Well, the Home Secretary of the day, someone who is much more of an expert on the subject than you, and who undoubtedly has a lot more access to SMEs than you have, and is much more familiar with The findings of the independent inquiry than you, blamed the failure of the authorities on 'institutionilised political correctness'. So now, again to the question I asked.... Were budget cuts responsible for all the child abuse in Rotherham? Well that does deflect quite nicely from any responsibility of her office doesn't it? Massive failing in policing not being the fault of the Home Secretary, but being the fault of "political correctness".
Do you think more social workers, and more specially trained police would have helped, or hindered the situation? Of course cuts have negative impacts.
So basically, what you're saying is that the police were not to blame.
get this..... the abuse case was about the period from 1997 to 2010. Before Theresa May was Home Secretary, and before cuts came in....
It had fuck all to do with cuts.
I know people that are in the education system in Rotherham, and they have a very low opinion of the police or the care system there.
For example, a child hadn't turned up at school, the school reported it, police and social services both turned up, and both said the girl was a naughty girl and had probably just run away from home. She turned up 3 weeks later, being pimped out....
An example of cuts, maybe?
Or of the findings from the independent inquiry?
"None of what you said has anything to do with political correctness! I never said that the police were not to blame. I have said nothing of the sort. I am saying political correctness was not to blame, because there is nothing in political correctness for example that says "don't arrest Asian men for raping childen". If that's what you believe political correctness to be, you are seriously mistaken. | |||
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"With reference to sex attacks by muslim gangs in Rotherham AND Germany AND Sweden incredibly it has been posted: These things have NOTHING to do with political correctness. They are failings of the police. This is just one of the many, oft-repeated, sickening politically correct apologies for rape and sex assaults on this and similar threads!? It is absolutely no such thing. If someone commits a rape or sexual assault, or any other crime for that matter, they should be thoroughly investigated and prosecuted, regardless of their background. They SHOULD be , but they weren't. All the inquiries and statements by leading figures involved in the investigation, cite Political Correctness and fear of being branded racist as a major factor in the failings of these poor girls. It is well known that this was the main causal factor. These failings were within the council and the Police." A very convenient excuse for them to fall back on when they fail to do their jobs properly......"It wasn't our fault, it was those bloody liberals and their damned political correctness" And let's face it, both councils and police don't need much excuse to blame someone else, it's always good to divert blame...... | |||
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"" These things have NOTHING to do with political correctness. They are failings of the police." ? They are faced with an almost impossible task these days with so many restrictions to make sure they do not upset the PC brigade No they're not, they are faced with an almost impossible task due to budget cuts not only to policing, but to the NHS, social services, social care etc. It's easier to blame it on the "PC brigade" than to admit its right wing governments slashing funding. We're budget cuts responsible for the police and other authority handling in Rotherham from 1997 on? Widespread organized child sexual abuse took place in Rotherham, South Yorkshire, England, between 1997 and 2013. Local investigations into the abuse began in 1999, although some reports were never finalised or made public by the authorities. In 2010, five men of Pakistani heritage were found guilty of a series of sexual offences against girls as young as twelve. A subsequent investigation by The Times reported that the child sex exploitation was much more widespread, and the Home Affairs Select Committee criticised the South Yorkshire Police force and Rotherham Metropolitan Borough Council for their handling and covering up of the abuse. An independent inquiry into child sexual abuse in the town, led by Professor Alexis Jay, was established in 2013 for Rotherham Council. The inquiry's initial report, published on 26 August 2014, condemned the FAILURE of the authorities in Rotherham to act effectively against the abuse or even, in some cases, to acknowledge that it was taking place. The report estimated that 1,400 children had been sexually abused in the town between 1997 and 2013, predominantly by gangs of British-Pakistani men. Abuses described included abduction, rape, torture and sex trafficking of children. Members of the British-Pakistani Muslim community condemned both the sexual abuse and the fact that it had been covered up for fear of "giving oxygen" to racism. The leader of Rotherham Borough Council, Roger Stone, resigned, as did the council's Chief Executive, Martin Kimber, and the director of children's services, Joyce Thacker. Shaun Wright, the Police and Crime Commissioner (PCC) for South Yorkshire who had been a Labour councillor in charge of child safety at the council, stood down on 16 September, after initially refusing demands that he should do so. The Home Secretary, Theresa May, blamed the failure of the authorities in Rotherham on "institutionalised political correctness", and Denis MacShane, the former MP for Rotherham during the period covered by the report, admitted that he had been "guilty of doing too little" to investigate the extent of the sex crimes being committed in his constituency. Well the real question is "was political correctness responsible for that?" Well, the Home Secretary of the day, someone who is much more of an expert on the subject than you, and who undoubtedly has a lot more access to SMEs than you have, and is much more familiar with The findings of the independent inquiry than you, blamed the failure of the authorities on 'institutionilised political correctness'. So now, again to the question I asked.... Were budget cuts responsible for all the child abuse in Rotherham? Well that does deflect quite nicely from any responsibility of her office doesn't it? Massive failing in policing not being the fault of the Home Secretary, but being the fault of "political correctness".
Do you think more social workers, and more specially trained police would have helped, or hindered the situation? Of course cuts have negative impacts. "I think, in this case, the problem was a fear of being seen as racist. Sometimes, even when it gives oxygen to those who are innately racist, we have to accept the conclusion that the evidence clearly points to. | |||
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" I think, in this case, the problem was a fear of being seen as racist. Sometimes, even when it gives oxygen to those who are innately racist, we have to accept the conclusion that the evidence clearly points to. " If it had been dealt with properly in the beginning the racist groups would have been given very little oxygen. The cover-up and subsequent explosion has given them lots of ammo. Disaster all round. | |||
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"Letting grown men rape children is not politically correct. " Why didn't the council employees act? What do the inquiries say? | |||
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"Letting grown men rape children is not politically correct. Why didn't the council employees act? What do the inquiries say?" I'm pretty sure the report doesn't say its fine to let grown men rape children. | |||
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"Letting grown men rape children is not politically correct. Why didn't the council employees act? What do the inquiries say? I'm pretty sure the report doesn't say its fine to let grown men rape children. " Nobody is saying that. But did they say fear of being called racist was a significant factor? | |||
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"Letting grown men rape children is not politically correct. Why didn't the council employees act? What do the inquiries say? I'm pretty sure the report doesn't say its fine to let grown men rape children. " Large chunks of the report have been copied and pasted onto this thread for you. It's there in print. You always claim that experts know best and in this case the experts put a significant amount of the blame down to political correctness. | |||
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"Letting grown men rape children is not politically correct. Why didn't the council employees act? What do the inquiries say? I'm pretty sure the report doesn't say its fine to let grown men rape children. Nobody is saying that. But did they say fear of being called racist was a significant factor?" If you believe that raping children is what political correctness is, them I'm not surprised you are against it. I wouldn't want us to fall out over a simple concept, so I'll leave the rest of the thread to you. | |||
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"Letting grown men rape children is not politically correct. Why didn't the council employees act? What do the inquiries say? I'm pretty sure the report doesn't say its fine to let grown men rape children. Nobody is saying that. But did they say fear of being called racist was a significant factor? If you believe that raping children is what political correctness is, them I'm not surprised you are against it. I wouldn't want us to fall out over a simple concept, so I'll leave the rest of the thread to you. " I specifically said 'Nobody is saying that' . It was only a 2 line reply. That was one of them. | |||
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"Letting grown men rape children is not politically correct. Why didn't the council employees act? What do the inquiries say? I'm pretty sure the report doesn't say its fine to let grown men rape children. Nobody is saying that. But did they say fear of being called racist was a significant factor? If you believe that raping children is what political correctness is, them I'm not surprised you are against it. I wouldn't want us to fall out over a simple concept, so I'll leave the rest of the thread to you. " That wasn't what they said, anyone reading the thread can see that. It's the authorities fear to take action which is down to political correctness. What was it you said on another thread "refusal to accept the facts". Appears you refuse to accept the facts and findings of the inquiry reports into these asian child sex grooming gangs. You accuse others of being guilty of post truth but now it appears you are guilty of post truth yourself. | |||
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"Letting grown men rape children is not politically correct. Why didn't the council employees act? What do the inquiries say? I'm pretty sure the report doesn't say its fine to let grown men rape children. Nobody is saying that. But did they say fear of being called racist was a significant factor? If you believe that raping children is what political correctness is, them I'm not surprised you are against it. I wouldn't want us to fall out over a simple concept, so I'll leave the rest of the thread to you. That wasn't what they said, anyone reading the thread can see that. It's the authorities fear to take action which is down to political correctness. " | |||
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"Took a quick look through this thread, all I'll say is that some level of PC culture is needed in my opinion to keep those who actually have a hatred or bigoted view of other races, religions, cultures or faiths/ideologies suppressed and within their own small circles. What I don't like is when PC culture goes too far, stifles a regulated and sensible debate and discussion. Or suppresses some views and lets others run riot. I actually think that the loud and angry voice of those wanting to use PC culture to prevent themselves being challenged, both on the left and right, contributed towards Trump and Brexit indirectly. That said, having spoken to enough people who once fell into the angry SJW or blacklives matter category, I understand that PC culture for some people feels like the only way they can make it clear that things are not all fine and some issues still need to be discussed." | |||
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"Generally speaking I'm not in favour of so called Political Correctness. I feel it's better to let people have their say and counter their arguments. Often, when pushed, these people not only show the paucity of their own arguments and convictions but also the nature and paucity of their individual characters as well. Let them speak, in fact encourage them and bate them to speak. Then let them be shown for what they really are." 
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"" These things have NOTHING to do with political correctness. They are failings of the police." ? They are faced with an almost impossible task these days with so many restrictions to make sure they do not upset the PC brigade No they're not, they are faced with an almost impossible task due to budget cuts not only to policing, but to the NHS, social services, social care etc. It's easier to blame it on the "PC brigade" than to admit its right wing governments slashing funding. We're budget cuts responsible for the police and other authority handling in Rotherham from 1997 on? Widespread organized child sexual abuse took place in Rotherham, South Yorkshire, England, between 1997 and 2013. Local investigations into the abuse began in 1999, although some reports were never finalised or made public by the authorities. In 2010, five men of Pakistani heritage were found guilty of a series of sexual offences against girls as young as twelve. A subsequent investigation by The Times reported that the child sex exploitation was much more widespread, and the Home Affairs Select Committee criticised the South Yorkshire Police force and Rotherham Metropolitan Borough Council for their handling and covering up of the abuse. An independent inquiry into child sexual abuse in the town, led by Professor Alexis Jay, was established in 2013 for Rotherham Council. The inquiry's initial report, published on 26 August 2014, condemned the FAILURE of the authorities in Rotherham to act effectively against the abuse or even, in some cases, to acknowledge that it was taking place. The report estimated that 1,400 children had been sexually abused in the town between 1997 and 2013, predominantly by gangs of British-Pakistani men. Abuses described included abduction, rape, torture and sex trafficking of children. Members of the British-Pakistani Muslim community condemned both the sexual abuse and the fact that it had been covered up for fear of "giving oxygen" to racism. The leader of Rotherham Borough Council, Roger Stone, resigned, as did the council's Chief Executive, Martin Kimber, and the director of children's services, Joyce Thacker. Shaun Wright, the Police and Crime Commissioner (PCC) for South Yorkshire who had been a Labour councillor in charge of child safety at the council, stood down on 16 September, after initially refusing demands that he should do so. The Home Secretary, Theresa May, blamed the failure of the authorities in Rotherham on "institutionalised political correctness", and Denis MacShane, the former MP for Rotherham during the period covered by the report, admitted that he had been "guilty of doing too little" to investigate the extent of the sex crimes being committed in his constituency. Well the real question is "was political correctness responsible for that?" Well, the Home Secretary of the day, someone who is much more of an expert on the subject than you, and who undoubtedly has a lot more access to SMEs than you have, and is much more familiar with The findings of the independent inquiry than you, blamed the failure of the authorities on 'institutionilised political correctness'. So now, again to the question I asked.... Were budget cuts responsible for all the child abuse in Rotherham? Well that does deflect quite nicely from any responsibility of her office doesn't it? Massive failing in policing not being the fault of the Home Secretary, but being the fault of "political correctness".
Do you think more social workers, and more specially trained police would have helped, or hindered the situation? Of course cuts have negative impacts.
So basically, what you're saying is that the police were not to blame.
get this..... the abuse case was about the period from 1997 to 2010. Before Theresa May was Home Secretary, and before cuts came in....
It had fuck all to do with cuts.
I know people that are in the education system in Rotherham, and they have a very low opinion of the police or the care system there.
For example, a child hadn't turned up at school, the school reported it, police and social services both turned up, and both said the girl was a naughty girl and had probably just run away from home. She turned up 3 weeks later, being pimped out....
An example of cuts, maybe?
Or of the findings from the independent inquiry?
"An example of the authorities and their attitude to the girls rather than the men, surely? It was the girls the authorities failed .... not sure this would be a feminist thing though, would it? | |||
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"" These things have NOTHING to do with political correctness. They are failings of the police." ? They are faced with an almost impossible task these days with so many restrictions to make sure they do not upset the PC brigade No they're not, they are faced with an almost impossible task due to budget cuts not only to policing, but to the NHS, social services, social care etc. It's easier to blame it on the "PC brigade" than to admit its right wing governments slashing funding. We're budget cuts responsible for the police and other authority handling in Rotherham from 1997 on? Widespread organized child sexual abuse took place in Rotherham, South Yorkshire, England, between 1997 and 2013. Local investigations into the abuse began in 1999, although some reports were never finalised or made public by the authorities. In 2010, five men of Pakistani heritage were found guilty of a series of sexual offences against girls as young as twelve. A subsequent investigation by The Times reported that the child sex exploitation was much more widespread, and the Home Affairs Select Committee criticised the South Yorkshire Police force and Rotherham Metropolitan Borough Council for their handling and covering up of the abuse. An independent inquiry into child sexual abuse in the town, led by Professor Alexis Jay, was established in 2013 for Rotherham Council. The inquiry's initial report, published on 26 August 2014, condemned the FAILURE of the authorities in Rotherham to act effectively against the abuse or even, in some cases, to acknowledge that it was taking place. The report estimated that 1,400 children had been sexually abused in the town between 1997 and 2013, predominantly by gangs of British-Pakistani men. Abuses described included abduction, rape, torture and sex trafficking of children. Members of the British-Pakistani Muslim community condemned both the sexual abuse and the fact that it had been covered up for fear of "giving oxygen" to racism. The leader of Rotherham Borough Council, Roger Stone, resigned, as did the council's Chief Executive, Martin Kimber, and the director of children's services, Joyce Thacker. Shaun Wright, the Police and Crime Commissioner (PCC) for South Yorkshire who had been a Labour councillor in charge of child safety at the council, stood down on 16 September, after initially refusing demands that he should do so. The Home Secretary, Theresa May, blamed the failure of the authorities in Rotherham on "institutionalised political correctness", and Denis MacShane, the former MP for Rotherham during the period covered by the report, admitted that he had been "guilty of doing too little" to investigate the extent of the sex crimes being committed in his constituency. Well the real question is "was political correctness responsible for that?" Well, the Home Secretary of the day, someone who is much more of an expert on the subject than you, and who undoubtedly has a lot more access to SMEs than you have, and is much more familiar with The findings of the independent inquiry than you, blamed the failure of the authorities on 'institutionilised political correctness'. So now, again to the question I asked.... Were budget cuts responsible for all the child abuse in Rotherham? Well that does deflect quite nicely from any responsibility of her office doesn't it? Massive failing in policing not being the fault of the Home Secretary, but being the fault of "political correctness".
Do you think more social workers, and more specially trained police would have helped, or hindered the situation? Of course cuts have negative impacts.
So basically, what you're saying is that the police were not to blame.
get this..... the abuse case was about the period from 1997 to 2010. Before Theresa May was Home Secretary, and before cuts came in....
It had fuck all to do with cuts.
I know people that are in the education system in Rotherham, and they have a very low opinion of the police or the care system there.
For example, a child hadn't turned up at school, the school reported it, police and social services both turned up, and both said the girl was a naughty girl and had probably just run away from home. She turned up 3 weeks later, being pimped out....
An example of cuts, maybe?
Or of the findings from the independent inquiry?
An example of the authorities and their attitude to the girls rather than the men, surely? It was the girls the authorities failed .... not sure this would be a feminist thing though, would it? "No, the police and the social services knew what was happening, that came out in the inquiry, as did the reasons for their failures. | |||
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"Why do you people care so much about 'political correctness' - it's not like political correctness caused the banking crisis or invaded Syria or made your taxes higher and your services shitter. It's not like political correctness has any baring on Brexit. I don't understand the preoccupation with PC as if it's the 5th Horse Person of the Apocalypse. I don't get it. Bigger fish to fry, surely?" Horse person! The right are on the march and rather than propose sound argument for solving the nations problems, they are finger-pointing. Similar to the tactics of the NAZIs before they came to power. | |||
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"" These things have NOTHING to do with political correctness. They are failings of the police." ? " South Yorkshire police was rotten to the core. Rotherham council was rotten to the core. There was a nexus of corrupt police working with local gangsters and councillors on payola. Add to that a view among social workers, police, and others that those girls were tarts, out-of-control and so on. The whole thing was appalling and the refusal of the authorities and the Labour party to acknowledge any part in the problem only served to give ammunition to those that would cast all brown-skinned people as sub-human. I hate that the US has elected a proto-fascist. I hate the divisions that Brexit has caused in our country. But unless we on the Left acknowledge when things go wrong and admit our own prejudices, all we do is give ammunition to the extremists. | |||
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"" These things have NOTHING to do with political correctness. They are failings of the police." ? South Yorkshire police was rotten to the core. Rotherham council was rotten to the core. There was a nexus of corrupt police working with local gangsters and councillors on payola. Add to that a view among social workers, police, and others that those girls were tarts, out-of-control and so on. The whole thing was appalling and the refusal of the authorities and the Labour party to acknowledge any part in the problem only served to give ammunition to those that would cast all brown-skinned people as sub-human. I hate that the US has elected a proto-fascist. I hate the divisions that Brexit has caused in our country. But unless we on the Left acknowledge when things go wrong and admit our own prejudices, all we do is give ammunition to the extremists." But police being corrupt is nothing to do with PC. A view that the girls were 'tarts' is odd fashioned misogyny, not PC. Sure, we have to watch that acceptance of other cultures does not become acceptance of criminal behaviour. But its far from clear this is something that has happened. | |||
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"I have been watching a interesting video about it on youtube about pc. I will post it below and see what you think, what is your view of it in general and have it gone too far? He also talked about a social justice warrior and that it could be taken to the extreme where we are at now, for example, comedians have to cancel shows because they have to censor their jokes and professors have to avoid potential offensive topics entirely and the people are afraid to be honest because of the social repercussion they may face https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bcSy3rzAQoM "I believe and do treat everyone equally . However , I find many people who claim to be politically correct to be both patronising and condescending . For some reason best known to themselves they assume that members of minority groups are unable to stand up for themselves . For others , it is just a chance to make a bit of extra money by claiming compensation . It is completely unacceptable that the police are unable to investigate certain crimes for fear of offending certain groups . At one organisation that I worked for , it was necessary to complete a training module on political correctness. In many cases the content of the training session was farcical. There were even guidelines on whom you should mix with . They reality is that if you have no interest in someones hobbies and interests , you are unlikely to spend too much time associating with hem At another lecture which I had to attend as part of a development programme ( thanks to the EU many professions are now compelled to do 40 hours training per annum ) a layer lectured on the various types of discrimination and even managed to mention trans genders . I attend work to do my job in the most efficient manner possible , not be lectured at by a lawyer o n the rights of various minority groups . Whilst I do not discriminate , I do not expect anyone to flaunt their sexuality in my face ( or to be given preference because they are a member of a minority group ) Political correctness has lead to loss of freedom and possible bankruptcy for some . A Christian couple who refused accommodation to a gay couple were sued and had damages awarded against hem . It is a disgrace that anyone can be penalised for having Christian beliefs . In another case in Belfast , a bakery were taken to court for refusing to bake a celebration cake for a gay rights event . Anyone with common sense would accept someones Christian beliefs and simply take their business elsewhere . In other cases , the self righteous brigade think it is wrong to make a correlation between crimes and certain counties . | |||
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"I have been watching a interesting video about it on youtube about pc. I will post it below and see what you think, what is your view of it in general and have it gone too far? He also talked about a social justice warrior and that it could be taken to the extreme where we are at now, for example, comedians have to cancel shows because they have to censor their jokes and professors have to avoid potential offensive topics entirely and the people are afraid to be honest because of the social repercussion they may face https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bcSy3rzAQoM
I believe and do treat everyone equally .
However , I find many people who claim to be politically correct to be both patronising and condescending . For some reason best known to themselves they assume that members of minority groups are unable to stand up for themselves .
For others , it is just a chance to make a bit of extra money by claiming compensation .
It is completely unacceptable that the police are unable to investigate certain crimes for fear of offending certain groups .
At one organisation that I worked for , it was necessary to complete a training module on political correctness. In many cases the content of the training session was farcical. There were even guidelines on whom you should mix with . They reality is that if you have no interest in someones hobbies and interests , you are unlikely to spend too much time associating with hem
At another lecture which I had to attend as part of a development programme ( thanks to the EU many professions are now compelled to do 40 hours training per annum ) a layer lectured on the various types of discrimination and even managed to mention trans genders .
I attend work to do my job in the most efficient manner possible , not be lectured at by a lawyer o n the rights of various minority groups . Whilst I do not discriminate , I do not expect anyone to flaunt their sexuality in my face ( or to be given preference because they are a member of a minority group )
Political correctness has lead to loss of freedom and possible bankruptcy for some .
A Christian couple who refused accommodation to a gay couple were sued and had damages awarded against hem . It is a disgrace that anyone can be penalised for having Christian beliefs .
In another case in Belfast , a bakery were taken to court for refusing to bake a celebration cake for a gay rights event .
Anyone with common sense would accept someones Christian beliefs and simply take their business elsewhere .
In other cases , the self righteous brigade think it is wrong to make a correlation between crimes and certain counties . "Sorry many questions, I don't know where to start? Were those gay people flaunting their sexuality by having public ass to mouth in the reception or shop, or were they trying to book a room or buy a cake? Were they looking for special preference or just wanted to be treated the same? Exactly what crimes are the police scared to investigate? Exactly what counties/countries/races are linked to what crimes? Yet I presume you would take offence to me calling you potentially racist and homophobic? Mmmm | |||
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"I have been watching a interesting video about it on youtube about pc. I will post it below and see what you think, what is your view of it in general and have it gone too far? He also talked about a social justice warrior and that it could be taken to the extreme where we are at now, for example, comedians have to cancel shows because they have to censor their jokes and professors have to avoid potential offensive topics entirely and the people are afraid to be honest because of the social repercussion they may face https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bcSy3rzAQoM
I believe and do treat everyone equally .
However , I find many people who claim to be politically correct to be both patronising and condescending . For some reason best known to themselves they assume that members of minority groups are unable to stand up for themselves .
For others , it is just a chance to make a bit of extra money by claiming compensation .
It is completely unacceptable that the police are unable to investigate certain crimes for fear of offending certain groups .
At one organisation that I worked for , it was necessary to complete a training module on political correctness. In many cases the content of the training session was farcical. There were even guidelines on whom you should mix with . They reality is that if you have no interest in someones hobbies and interests , you are unlikely to spend too much time associating with hem
At another lecture which I had to attend as part of a development programme ( thanks to the EU many professions are now compelled to do 40 hours training per annum ) a layer lectured on the various types of discrimination and even managed to mention trans genders .
I attend work to do my job in the most efficient manner possible , not be lectured at by a lawyer o n the rights of various minority groups . Whilst I do not discriminate , I do not expect anyone to flaunt their sexuality in my face ( or to be given preference because they are a member of a minority group )
Political correctness has lead to loss of freedom and possible bankruptcy for some .
A Christian couple who refused accommodation to a gay couple were sued and had damages awarded against hem . It is a disgrace that anyone can be penalised for having Christian beliefs .
In another case in Belfast , a bakery were taken to court for refusing to bake a celebration cake for a gay rights event .
Anyone with common sense would accept someones Christian beliefs and simply take their business elsewhere .
In other cases , the self righteous brigade think it is wrong to make a correlation between crimes and certain counties .
Sorry many questions, I don't know where to start?
Were those gay people flaunting their sexuality by having public ass to mouth in the reception or shop, or were they trying to book a room or buy a cake?
Were they looking for special preference or just wanted to be treated the same?
Exactly what crimes are the police scared to investigate?
Exactly what counties/countries/races are linked to what crimes?
Yet I presume you would take offence to me calling you potentially racist and homophobic?
Mmmm"It is simply freedom of choice . It is totally wrong to expect a Christian Bakery to bake a cake celebrating gay rights . Any decent person would have accepted that they had this right In the case of the gay couple booking a room in a private guest house , again they should asked before booking if it was acceptable to share a room . The failure to investigate crime has already been documented by other posters and information on the prison population is available by doing a search | |||
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" A Christian couple who refused accommodation to a gay couple were sued and had damages awarded against them . It is a disgrace that anyone can be penalised for having Christian beliefs . In another case in Belfast , a bakery were taken to court for refusing to bake a celebration cake for a gay rights event . " They weren't penalised for their religious beliefs though were they, they were penalised for thinking their religious beliefs came above the law. Rather than a 'no vacancies' sign in the window would you prefer one which reads No gays No blacks No pets No actors ...would that be the common sense solution? | |||
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"It depends how far it is taken. I agree, use of offence terms for ethnic groups, gay, disabled people is nasty and helps perpetuate prejudice. But , where to draw the line? Worst case scenario, we have just seen in this area. Girls abused by asian / pakistani gangs. Rotherham council failed to act primarily through inability to cope with describing this problem. Result - no action, hundreds of girls left to suffer. so, yes, stop abusive terminolgy, but at a common sense level. The situation around Rotherham was as much to do with the authorities and their opinion of girls who were vulnerable but not being seen as such. It was about the girls being given up upon ... and attitudes to white working class/benefit class girls .... Didn't only happen in Rotherham though did it. It happened in Rochdale in Manchester too and Political correctness played a large part in it. Doesn't matter where it happened ... it was about attitudes to the girls as much as the men. Hardly political correctness .... rather authorities dismissive poor white British girls for 'getting what they deserved' ... it was more about the whole system of child safeguarding. .....and the authorities fear of being labelled racist. " I suppose Jimmy Saville and the rest of the white gang never existed then....seriously fella..you can tell which side of the fench you sit on...very very sad that people like you view the things the way you do  | |||
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"Why do you people care so much about 'political correctness' - it's not like political correctness caused the banking crisis or invaded Syria or made your taxes higher and your services shitter. It's not like political correctness has any baring on Brexit. I don't understand the preoccupation with PC as if it's the 5th Horse Person of the Apocalypse. I don't get it. Bigger fish to fry, surely? Horse person! The right are on the march and rather than propose sound argument for solving the nations problems, they are finger-pointing. Similar to the tactics of the NAZIs before they came to power. " Yes, Horse *Person* - that's like irony n' shit | |||
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"Why do you people care so much about 'political correctness' - it's not like political correctness caused the banking crisis or invaded Syria or made your taxes higher and your services shitter. It's not like political correctness has any baring on Brexit. I don't understand the preoccupation with PC as if it's the 5th Horse Person of the Apocalypse. I don't get it. Bigger fish to fry, surely? Horse person! The right are on the march and rather than propose sound argument for solving the nations problems, they are finger-pointing. Similar to the tactics of the NAZIs before they came to power. Yes, Horse *Person* - that's like irony n' shit "I kinda guessed that.. | |||
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