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By *LCC OP   Couple
over a year ago

Cambridge

There are lots of people who feel disillusioned with politics, and like the parties don't represent them, so let's imagine we can create our own. What would your stance be on the following areas: Defence, Foreign Policy, Economy, Education, and Immigration

Defence - I would keep a permanent at sea nuclear deterrent, increase the army back to at least 100,000, and make sure that we had the defence capabilities required as an island nation including anti-submarine reconnaissance planes.

Foreign Policy - I would like the party to be outward looking, not isolationist, and to work with other countries be that in the EU, UN, NATO etc.

Economy - I would like the UK to stay in the Single Market as I think this would have the least damaging effect on our economy. I think that free trade works between similarly advanced economies, but free trade between advanced and developing economies can be very detrimental to jobs in the advanced economy. So a UK outside of the Single Market making FT deals with the likes of India and China could be very harmful. I wouldn't nationalise any industries, but I wouldn't bail any out either.

Education - comprehensives would be the norm, no new grammar schools, or forced academisation.

Immigration - the UK has low levels of unemployment because our economy is sound. To fill these jobs they need good people. As I want the UK to stay in the Single Market I would accept free movement of people from EU countries. There are similar, advanced, English speaking (well, kind of ) countries, Canada, US, Australia and NZ where lots of Brits want to work and live and study, and visa versa, and so I would also suggest mutal freedom of movement with these countries too.

So those are 5 key policy areas, what would your party policies be in those areas? If new posters add new policy areas we can state our party's policy would be in that area.

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By *iamondjoeMan
over a year ago

Glastonbury

Wow.

Something positive.

I'll have to think about this and get back to you.

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By *obka3Couple
over a year ago

bournemouth

I think we need to sort out the benefit system, we need to look after those that cant do so for themselves but everyone can and must contribute something to society, almost everyone can do some sort of a job, to balance this we need to help those without jobs or disabilities to get work .

We need to sort out the nhs and care for the elderly, some how we need a clean sheet of paper and to keep politics out of the discussion, lots of vested interests will lose out but it cant carry on as it is.

The same applies to all public services.

We need to support british industries better both individually and governmentally .

We need to balance the gulf between the over paid and the poorly paid

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Defence, well I'm afraid one of those crazies that think if you put on a condom your gonna fuck, that goes for having 100,000 trained killers on your books!.

I'd dismantle the armed services as we know it, I'd keep some of the secret services for obvious reasons and I'd restart a 2 year national service programme, you wanna defend YOUR country then you need training for it, 2 years training, everybody gets a gun and we all meet every last Sunday for practice no exemptions!.

Foreign policy is domestic policy, no different, what some other country does is no business of ours..... On that point I'd push full on for a proper UN with some muscle and clout, if we all agree that Russia needs sorting out then WE all go in.

Education for the love of God we've got to realise that not every kid is clever with maths or chemistry just like many chemists are shit with their hands, state funded eduction throughout all the way to university level for those who are bright enough, for the others there's technical colleges and apprenticeships and skills and honestly if your setting out a plan for a country you've gotta decide what are you going to do as a country and then educate and train for it.

Immigration.... Very simple, first you've got to have an upper limit of what you can accommodate without adjustment, if it's 300,000 or a million or 10 then that's what the limit is.... If you need to adjust then adjustment costs should be calculated into an entrance fee?

I'd start with a special tax rate of say 10p in the pound but on the proviso that they get NO government assistance, no healthcare, no housing, no benefits, if they choose to become British citizens, that is they actually emigrate here then they get the same as everyone else.

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As for a single market, well I'm afraid I wouldn't enter into single markets unless they have similar GDP to capita ratios, in fact I'd probably simplify trade tariffs by that, similar countries get zero tariffs, wealthier countries get opposing tariffs ie they get 5% we get 10% poorer counties the opposite, if you can't equal out labour costs then there's no trade at all

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Surprised at the O P on Defence , but in a good way

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By *LCC OP   Couple
over a year ago

Cambridge


"Surprised at the O P on Defence , but in a good way "

Why?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Surprised at the O P on Defence , but in a good way

Why? "

I thought you would be for C N. D and to cut our armed forces !

Wrong

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By *LCC OP   Couple
over a year ago

Cambridge


"Surprised at the O P on Defence , but in a good way

Why?

I thought you would be for C N. D and to cut our armed forces !

Wrong "

But why though? And before you thought I was a Corbyn fanboy!

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By *illwill69uMan
over a year ago

moston

There is a simple choice to make.

Big Government, or small government?

Small government favours rich businesses and rich individuals at the cost of infrastructure and the majority of the population.

Big government favours good and well maintained infrastructure and the majority over the rich minority.

I favour big government.

I also favour a progressive income tax based system over regressive pole and spending based taxes. I also favour a punitive tax on the transfer of non taxed income out of the country (say 150% of the total being transferred out of the country). I believe that if you earn money here you should pay tax here and the more you earn the more you should pay.

I believe that we need a well funded and functioning NHS and social services (including social security), and that a society is measured by how it treats its most vulnerable.

I also believe that the state education system needs to well funded and designed to give the best education possible to all. To this end I believe that the state system should be continually improved until the state system provides an education that equals that of our top public schools.

I believe that we should be constantly investing in our infrastructure and that rather than having an attitude of what is the minimum we can get away with we should be aiming to have the best available.

I believe that we should have large well equipped, well trained professional armed services with a fully independent nuclear deterrent to protect our national interests and borders.

Finally, I believe in a mixed economy. The government should hold in trust for the nation all industries that are vital to our national security. The idea that services vital to our national security can't be publicly owned, unless by a foreign power, is outrageous!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Surprised at the O P on Defence , but in a good way

Why?

I thought you would be for C N. D and to cut our armed forces !

Wrong

But why though? And before you thought I was a Corbyn fanboy! "
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Not all of us!.

I always suspected you were a neo leftie liberal, you utter all their bullshit, every line and post is neo liberal leftie bullshit.... Your a corporate shill and the worst thing is you don't realise it.... Unlike the rest who know it but just keep trotting out the bullshit in the hope that somebody will take it in.

Well I hate to disappoint you but everybody is either gone right or left and your middle ground stance is disappearing faster then a packet of malteasers at slimming club!.

That's not me having a go at you... I'm just pointing out how out of touch you are with everybody else

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Surprised at the O P on Defence , but in a good way

Why?

I thought you would be for C N. D and to cut our armed forces !

Wrong

But why though? And before you thought I was a Corbyn fanboy! "

Yes I keep getting you wrong

Mind that's one of the reasons I like you lol pity I can't message you for a one on one Argument !

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By *LCC OP   Couple
over a year ago

Cambridge


"Surprised at the O P on Defence , but in a good way

Why?

I thought you would be for C N. D and to cut our armed forces !

Wrong

But why though? And before you thought I was a Corbyn fanboy! .

Not all of us!.

I always suspected you were a neo leftie liberal, you utter all their bullshit, every line and post is neo liberal leftie bullshit.... Your a corporate shill and the worst thing is you don't realise it.... Unlike the rest who know it but just keep trotting out the bullshit in the hope that somebody will take it in.

Well I hate to disappoint you but everybody is either gone right or left and your middle ground stance is disappearing faster then a packet of malteasers at slimming club!.

That's not me having a go at you... I'm just pointing out how out of touch you are with everybody else"

I am left of center, I wouldn't categorise myself as a "corporate shill" or a "neo leftie liberal"

I know that the middle is feeling a little lonely at the moment, but personally I don't see it as a good thing at people are running to the extremes, either left or right.

History has shown us at centrist policies (centre left or centre right) tends to create stability, and that in turn creates economic growth, rule of law, human rights etc.

The extremes (again left or right) have created quite terrible conditions for ordinary citizens, think of countries like Franco's Spain, Hitler's Germany, Mussolini's Italy, Castro's Cuba, Pinochet's Chile, North Korea, Communist Russia etc.

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By *iamondjoeMan
over a year ago

Glastonbury


"Surprised at the O P on Defence , but in a good way

Why?

I thought you would be for C N. D and to cut our armed forces !

Wrong

But why though? And before you thought I was a Corbyn fanboy! .

Not all of us!.

I always suspected you were a neo leftie liberal, you utter all their bullshit, every line and post is neo liberal leftie bullshit.... Your a corporate shill and the worst thing is you don't realise it.... Unlike the rest who know it but just keep trotting out the bullshit in the hope that somebody will take it in.

Well I hate to disappoint you but everybody is either gone right or left and your middle ground stance is disappearing faster then a packet of malteasers at slimming club!.

That's not me having a go at you... I'm just pointing out how out of touch you are with everybody else"

Lol - tell us what you really feel

Good thing no-one ever reports on shit down here

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By *andS66Couple
over a year ago

Derby


"There are lots of people who feel disillusioned with politics, and like the parties don't represent them, so let's imagine we can create our own. What would your stance be on the following areas: Defence, Foreign Policy, Economy, Education, and Immigration

Defence - I would keep a permanent at sea nuclear deterrent, increase the army back to at least 100,000, and make sure that we had the defence capabilities required as an island nation including anti-submarine reconnaissance planes.

Foreign Policy - I would like the party to be outward looking, not isolationist, and to work with other countries be that in the EU, UN, NATO etc.

Economy - I would like the UK to stay in the Single Market as I think this would have the least damaging effect on our economy. I think that free trade works between similarly advanced economies, but free trade between advanced and developing economies can be very detrimental to jobs in the advanced economy. So a UK outside of the Single Market making FT deals with the likes of India and China could be very harmful. I wouldn't nationalise any industries, but I wouldn't bail any out either.

Education - comprehensives would be the norm, no new grammar schools, or forced academisation.

Immigration - the UK has low levels of unemployment because our economy is sound. To fill these jobs they need good people. As I want the UK to stay in the Single Market I would accept free movement of people from EU countries. There are similar, advanced, English speaking (well, kind of ) countries, Canada, US, Australia and NZ where lots of Brits want to work and live and study, and visa versa, and so I would also suggest mutal freedom of movement with these countries too.

So those are 5 key policy areas, what would your party policies be in those areas? If new posters add new policy areas we can state our party's policy would be in that area. "

Immigration to be controlled, with a points based and numbers limit. No welfare of any sort for first five years. Illegal immigrants to be immediately deported. Immigrants who commit violent crimes to be deported upon release from prison.

Tariff free trade with EU, if that is to stay in the single market, so be it. But no free movement.... there is a precedent for this, so it can be done.

Bring back grammar schools.... and stop encouraging those that aren't up to university to go to university. Bring back proper apprenticeships, for technical skills.

Train more medical staff in the U.K., rather than relying on other countries to provide them.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Surprised at the O P on Defence , but in a good way

Why?

I thought you would be for C N. D and to cut our armed forces !

Wrong

But why though? And before you thought I was a Corbyn fanboy! .

Not all of us!.

I always suspected you were a neo leftie liberal, you utter all their bullshit, every line and post is neo liberal leftie bullshit.... Your a corporate shill and the worst thing is you don't realise it.... Unlike the rest who know it but just keep trotting out the bullshit in the hope that somebody will take it in.

Well I hate to disappoint you but everybody is either gone right or left and your middle ground stance is disappearing faster then a packet of malteasers at slimming club!.

That's not me having a go at you... I'm just pointing out how out of touch you are with everybody else

Lol - tell us what you really feel

Good thing no-one ever reports on shit down here "
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I'm not having a go honestly I'm not, I'm just sick of this neo liberal narrative that everything will be fine if you just work hard and get along.

The single market WAS a great concept, countries with similar GDP doing tariff free trade and free movement of labour... All marvelous advances society.

Now if you peek behind the idea all the wto trade agreements all the EU ones all NAFTA, it's documents thrashed out by lawyers, CEOs, multinationals and lobbyists... Does anybody actually think that group of people have the best interests of society at the top of their agenda???.

The single currency was set out with the intentions of creating zero interest rates and reducing labour costs to eastern Europeans... That's great if your eastern European, fucking marvellous, but everybody else gets shafted but don't worry we'll able to compete with China in the end.... Why on earth would a westerner want to compete with a Chinese worker paid the lowest wage in the developed economies?.

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It's great for business, multinationals yes we've seen they've had record profits for the last 30 years while workers get less and less share in the profits CEO pay up 1000s of %, it's been brilliant for business that's without doubt..... For everybody else wages have been flat for thirty years, now after bailing out the uber rich via they're own made banking orgy... What are we told, oh yes you need austerity as well, you need to cut pensions, work longer, retire later have your health care sold off, all your national assets sold off.... And people have had enough everywhere not just here

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

We may not know what the solution is but what we know is we don't want to go on with the status quo

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Why is it that we rationalise training 100,000 people to kill and pay them to sit around for decades on end with hundreds of billions of pounds worth of equipment..... But the concept of having 5000 people trained to make steel sitting around for awhile until the market picks back up is totally unacceptable

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By *obka3Couple
over a year ago

bournemouth


"Why is it that we rationalise training 100,000 people to kill and pay them to sit around for decades on end with hundreds of billions of pounds worth of equipment..... But the concept of having 5000 people trained to make steel sitting around for awhile until the market picks back up is totally unacceptable "

True sometimes logic seems to go out the window.

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock


"Surprised at the O P on Defence , but in a good way

Why?

I thought you would be for C N. D and to cut our armed forces !

Wrong

But why though? And before you thought I was a Corbyn fanboy! .

Not all of us!.

I always suspected you were a neo leftie liberal, you utter all their bullshit, every line and post is neo liberal leftie bullshit.... Your a corporate shill and the worst thing is you don't realise it.... Unlike the rest who know it but just keep trotting out the bullshit in the hope that somebody will take it in.

Well I hate to disappoint you but everybody is either gone right or left and your middle ground stance is disappearing faster then a packet of malteasers at slimming club!.

That's not me having a go at you... I'm just pointing out how out of touch you are with everybody else

Lol - tell us what you really feel

Good thing no-one ever reports on shit down here .

I'm not having a go honestly I'm not, I'm just sick of this neo liberal narrative that everything will be fine if you just work hard and get along.

The single market WAS a great concept, countries with similar GDP doing tariff free trade and free movement of labour... All marvelous advances society.

Now if you peek behind the idea all the wto trade agreements all the EU ones all NAFTA, it's documents thrashed out by lawyers, CEOs, multinationals and lobbyists... Does anybody actually think that group of people have the best interests of society at the top of their agenda???.

The single currency was set out with the intentions of creating zero interest rates and reducing labour costs to eastern Europeans... That's great if your eastern European, fucking marvellous, but everybody else gets shafted but don't worry we'll able to compete with China in the end.... Why on earth would a westerner want to compete with a Chinese worker paid the lowest wage in the developed economies?.

.

It's great for business, multinationals yes we've seen they've had record profits for the last 30 years while workers get less and less share in the profits CEO pay up 1000s of %, it's been brilliant for business that's without doubt..... For everybody else wages have been flat for thirty years, now after bailing out the uber rich via they're own made banking orgy... What are we told, oh yes you need austerity as well, you need to cut pensions, work longer, retire later have your health care sold off, all your national assets sold off.... And people have had enough everywhere not just here"

The people are finally waking up out of their slumber and starting to realise what is going on (although some on this thread still appear to be asleep). Brexit was the first domino, Trump the 2nd now there are going to be many shock election results over the next 12 months. I look forward to seeing more domino's fall.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I don't to be honest with you.

I have a genuine fear that the real right wing who've been hiding behind the scenes for decades will try and push into mainstream politics.....I genuinely hope that progressive left wing attitudes will prevail.

I don't think my left wing views are far left but that's the idea that's pushed, the centre ground is only the centre ground because that's what we're told is centre.

Foreign wars, invasions, sell offs bigger armies, more intelligence, fracking, more fossil fuel, more prisons, longer convictions, austerity, trade deals... These are centre ground policies, Blair, brown, Clinton, Obama,hollande, Merkel... These are centre left politicans and they're centre left ideas.... Well if that's centre I'm happy to be called "far left"

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By *tillup4funMan
over a year ago

Wakefield


"Surprised at the O P on Defence , but in a good way

Why?

I thought you would be for C N. D and to cut our armed forces !

Wrong

But why though? And before you thought I was a Corbyn fanboy! .

Not all of us!.

I always suspected you were a neo leftie liberal, you utter all their bullshit, every line and post is neo liberal leftie bullshit.... Your a corporate shill and the worst thing is you don't realise it.... Unlike the rest who know it but just keep trotting out the bullshit in the hope that somebody will take it in.

Well I hate to disappoint you but everybody is either gone right or left and your middle ground stance is disappearing faster then a packet of malteasers at slimming club!.

That's not me having a go at you... I'm just pointing out how out of touch you are with everybody else

Lol - tell us what you really feel

Good thing no-one ever reports on shit down here .

I'm not having a go honestly I'm not, I'm just sick of this neo liberal narrative that everything will be fine if you just work hard and get along.

The single market WAS a great concept, countries with similar GDP doing tariff free trade and free movement of labour... All marvelous advances society.

Now if you peek behind the idea all the wto trade agreements all the EU ones all NAFTA, it's documents thrashed out by lawyers, CEOs, multinationals and lobbyists... Does anybody actually think that group of people have the best interests of society at the top of their agenda???.

The single currency was set out with the intentions of creating zero interest rates and reducing labour costs to eastern Europeans... That's great if your eastern European, fucking marvellous, but everybody else gets shafted but don't worry we'll able to compete with China in the end.... Why on earth would a westerner want to compete with a Chinese worker paid the lowest wage in the developed economies?.

.

It's great for business, multinationals yes we've seen they've had record profits for the last 30 years while workers get less and less share in the profits CEO pay up 1000s of %, it's been brilliant for business that's without doubt..... For everybody else wages have been flat for thirty years, now after bailing out the uber rich via they're own made banking orgy... What are we told, oh yes you need austerity as well, you need to cut pensions, work longer, retire later have your health care sold off, all your national assets sold off.... And people have had enough everywhere not just here"

Well said.

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By *tillup4funMan
over a year ago

Wakefield


"I don't to be honest with you.

I have a genuine fear that the real right wing who've been hiding behind the scenes for decades will try and push into mainstream politics.....I genuinely hope that progressive left wing attitudes will prevail.

I don't think my left wing views are far left but that's the idea that's pushed, the centre ground is only the centre ground because that's what we're told is centre.

Foreign wars, invasions, sell offs bigger armies, more intelligence, fracking, more fossil fuel, more prisons, longer convictions, austerity, trade deals... These are centre ground policies, Blair, brown, Clinton, Obama,hollande, Merkel... These are centre left politicans and they're centre left ideas.... Well if that's centre I'm happy to be called "far left""

There are going to be a lot of changes in the next two years 3 of the names you mention probably wont be leaders of their governments by then, I just hope we someone better to replace them.

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