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"I thought it was more like 430,000? Just shows how easy it is to use and abuse and misappropriate EU funds. Close the whole corrupt organisation down!" So if a thief steals something from a shop, your solution is to close the shop, rather than punish the thief?  | |||
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"I thought it was more like 430,000? Just shows how easy it is to use and abuse and misappropriate EU funds. Close the whole corrupt organisation down! So if a thief steals something from a shop, your solution is to close the shop, rather than punish the thief? "as usual you are talking through your arse | |||
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"I thought it was more like 430,000? Just shows how easy it is to use and abuse and misappropriate EU funds. Close the whole corrupt organisation down! So if a thief steals something from a shop, your solution is to close the shop, rather than punish the thief?
as usual you are talking through your arse"Try to stick to debating the issues. | |||
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"I bet that's a drop in the ocean compared to what goes on in the cercles of junker and his lot ". Exactly,robbing b,stards  | |||
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"I bet that's a drop in the ocean compared to what goes on in the cercles of junker and his lot . Exactly,robbing b,stards "So you have one person who has been found to have misappropriated funds, you say nothing about him, but then start accusing and attacking people who haven't been found to have misappropriated funds. How is that fair? | |||
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"I thought it was more like 430,000? Just shows how easy it is to use and abuse and misappropriate EU funds. Close the whole corrupt organisation down! So if a thief steals something from a shop, your solution is to close the shop, rather than punish the thief?
as usual you are talking through your arse"So when you said "close the whole corrupt organisation down".... was the organisation you meant UKIP... or the EU? Because if you meant the latter then the comparison CCLC used was a fair and valid one..... | |||
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"UKIP are going to be asked to pay back £150,000 of misappropriated funds from the EU that they spent, in part, trying to get Farage a seat in the house of commons. They complain about the EU gravy train, but they are the worst ones for it. Why is Farage still claiming an MEPs salary, if he is actually off galavanting around the US? Why is he on the CFP committee if he has only attending 1 meeting out of 40? Could you get away with that in your job? " The reality is that Farage is a grafter who is working really hard for his country .He is doing what is best for us . The electorate elected him and I do not see anyone complaining about either his dedication or how hard he works. Building a good relation with the USA is far more important than attending a few EU meetings. Do we know what the EU meetings were about ? | |||
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"UKIP are going to be asked to pay back £150,000 of misappropriated funds from the EU that they spent, in part, trying to get Farage a seat in the house of commons. They complain about the EU gravy train, but they are the worst ones for it. Why is Farage still claiming an MEPs salary, if he is actually off galavanting around the US? Why is he on the CFP committee if he has only attending 1 meeting out of 40? Could you get away with that in your job? The reality is that Farage is a grafter who is working really hard for his country .He is doing what is best for us . The electorate elected him and I do not see anyone complaining about either his dedication or how hard he works. Building a good relation with the USA is far more important than attending a few EU meetings. Do we know what the EU meetings were about ?" I just complained about how hard he works. His job is as an MEP, his job isn't to be a warm up act for Trump. Farage's job (well part of it) is to represent UK fishermen at the CFP committee, a job that as I mentioned above, he isn't doing. Farage isn't a member of HM government, or an ambassador, so he shouldn't be meeting Trump, and Trump shouldn't be meeting him. It's not just that I don't like Farage, I would also say that Trump shouldn't meet Corbyn either. You have to work with elected officials of that country, not whichever politician you happen to like the most. | |||
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"As far as I,m concerned ALL politicians take advantage of any situation that benefits them just as YOU would. "So we have gone from one politician being caught misappropriating funds, to another politician being accused with no evidence or grounds of reasonable suspicion, not a non-politician being accused of misappropriating fund were they a politician! What evidence or grounds do you have to accuse me of such a thing? | |||
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"I thought it was more like 430,000? Just shows how easy it is to use and abuse and misappropriate EU funds. Close the whole corrupt organisation down!" I think it reflects more on the EU that their systems and practices are nothing more than a joke. If the EU don't like it then why don't they change the rules so MEP's only get paid when they show up for work in the European parliament. | |||
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"I thought it was more like 430,000? Just shows how easy it is to use and abuse and misappropriate EU funds. Close the whole corrupt organisation down! I think it reflects more on the EU that their systems and practices are nothing more than a joke. If the EU don't like it then why don't they change the rules so MEP's only get paid when they show up for work in the European parliament. " There systems and practices caught the misappropriation, and have asked for the money back. It seems as though they worked well. Again I find it strange that people are blaming the EU, rather than the group/UKIP/Farage that misappropriated the funds. | |||
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"I bet that's a drop in the ocean compared to what goes on in the cercles of junker and his lot . Exactly,robbing b,stards
So you have one person who has been found to have misappropriated funds, you say nothing about him, but then start accusing and attacking people who haven't been found to have misappropriated funds. How is that fair? "Ok if you want to talk about the misuse of taxpayers money, how about David Cameron and the Remain campaign spending £9 million quid (taxpayers money) on a one sided pro EU propaganda leaflet sent to every house in the UK before the referendum? In the interests of fairness and balance where was the £9 million of UK taxpayers money for a one sided propaganda leaflet for the Leave campaign? Maybe Farage thought claiming £400,000 from the EU and using it on ukip material and campaigning for leave, would go some way to redress the balance. But just look at the numbers..... Farage and Ukip = £400,000 Cameron and Remain = £9 million. I think it's clear who the bigger crooks are, £400,000 is a drop in the ocean compared to £9 million. | |||
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"UKIP are going to be asked to pay back £150,000 of misappropriated funds from the EU that they spent, in part, trying to get Farage a seat in the house of commons. They complain about the EU gravy train, but they are the worst ones for it. Why is Farage still claiming an MEPs salary, if he is actually off galavanting around the US? Why is he on the CFP committee if he has only attending 1 meeting out of 40? Could you get away with that in your job? The reality is that Farage is a grafter who is working really hard for his country .He is doing what is best for us . The electorate elected him and I do not see anyone complaining about either his dedication or how hard he works. Building a good relation with the USA is far more important than attending a few EU meetings. Do we know what the EU meetings were about ? I just complained about how hard he works. His job is as an MEP, his job isn't to be a warm up act for Trump. Farage's job (well part of it) is to represent UK fishermen at the CFP committee, a job that as I mentioned above, he isn't doing. Farage isn't a member of HM government, or an ambassador, so he shouldn't be meeting Trump, and Trump shouldn't be meeting him. It's not just that I don't like Farage, I would also say that Trump shouldn't meet Corbyn either. You have to work with elected officials of that country, not whichever politician you happen to like the most." We are leaving the EU now, what is the point of British MEP's attending the European parliament. When we leave the EU then all British MEP's will also leave the European parliament. | |||
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"I bet that's a drop in the ocean compared to what goes on in the cercles of junker and his lot . Exactly,robbing b,stards
So you have one person who has been found to have misappropriated funds, you say nothing about him, but then start accusing and attacking people who haven't been found to have misappropriated funds. How is that fair?
Ok if you want to talk about the misuse of taxpayers money, how about David Cameron and the Remain campaign spending £9 million quid (taxpayers money) on a one sided pro EU propaganda leaflet sent to every house in the UK before the referendum?
In the interests of fairness and balance where was the £9 million of UK taxpayers money for a one sided propaganda leaflet for the Leave campaign? Maybe Farage thought claiming £400,000 from the EU and using it on ukip material and campaigning for leave, would go some way to redress the balance. But just look at the numbers.....
Farage and Ukip = £400,000
Cameron and Remain = £9 million.
I think it's clear who the bigger crooks are, £400,000 is a drop in the ocean compared to £9 million. "Yet again, instead of actually addressing what Farage did and accepting that it is wrong, you, like the person quoted at the top, are pointing the finger at someone who hasn’t broken any rules. | |||
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"UKIP are going to be asked to pay back £150,000 of misappropriated funds from the EU that they spent, in part, trying to get Farage a seat in the house of commons. They complain about the EU gravy train, but they are the worst ones for it. Why is Farage still claiming an MEPs salary, if he is actually off galavanting around the US? Why is he on the CFP committee if he has only attending 1 meeting out of 40? Could you get away with that in your job? The reality is that Farage is a grafter who is working really hard for his country .He is doing what is best for us . The electorate elected him and I do not see anyone complaining about either his dedication or how hard he works. Building a good relation with the USA is far more important than attending a few EU meetings. Do we know what the EU meetings were about ? I just complained about how hard he works. His job is as an MEP, his job isn't to be a warm up act for Trump. Farage's job (well part of it) is to represent UK fishermen at the CFP committee, a job that as I mentioned above, he isn't doing. Farage isn't a member of HM government, or an ambassador, so he shouldn't be meeting Trump, and Trump shouldn't be meeting him. It's not just that I don't like Farage, I would also say that Trump shouldn't meet Corbyn either. You have to work with elected officials of that country, not whichever politician you happen to like the most. We are leaving the EU now, what is the point of British MEP's attending the European parliament. When we leave the EU then all British MEP's will also leave the European parliament. " In which case why not just resign their MEP posts now?, then they can stay at home without all the pay, perks and expenses...... | |||
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" We are leaving the EU now, what is the point of British MEP's attending the European parliament. When we leave the EU then all British MEP's will also leave the European parliament. " We are in it for another 2 years + . Would be good to have somebody there fighting the corner. | |||
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" We are leaving the EU now, what is the point of British MEP's attending the European parliament. When we leave the EU then all British MEP's will also leave the European parliament. " I think you have a very fair point there, so why don’t they resign? Especially the UKIP MEPs, they are against the whole institution, they have got what they want, they don’t engage with the EU, so why not lead by example and resign on mass, saving UK and EU tax payers alike? | |||
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"UKIP are going to be asked to pay back £150,000 of misappropriated funds from the EU that they spent, in part, trying to get Farage a seat in the house of commons. They complain about the EU gravy train, but they are the worst ones for it. Why is Farage still claiming an MEPs salary, if he is actually off galavanting around the US? Why is he on the CFP committee if he has only attending 1 meeting out of 40? Could you get away with that in your job? The reality is that Farage is a grafter who is working really hard for his country .He is doing what is best for us . The electorate elected him and I do not see anyone complaining about either his dedication or how hard he works. Building a good relation with the USA is far more important than attending a few EU meetings. Do we know what the EU meetings were about ? I just complained about how hard he works. His job is as an MEP, his job isn't to be a warm up act for Trump. Farage's job (well part of it) is to represent UK fishermen at the CFP committee, a job that as I mentioned above, he isn't doing. Farage isn't a member of HM government, or an ambassador, so he shouldn't be meeting Trump, and Trump shouldn't be meeting him. It's not just that I don't like Farage, I would also say that Trump shouldn't meet Corbyn either. You have to work with elected officials of that country, not whichever politician you happen to like the most. We are leaving the EU now, what is the point of British MEP's attending the European parliament. When we leave the EU then all British MEP's will also leave the European parliament. In which case why not just resign their MEP posts now?, then they can stay at home without all the pay, perks and expenses......" Same reason as mp's in parliament. | |||
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" We are leaving the EU now, what is the point of British MEP's attending the European parliament. When we leave the EU then all British MEP's will also leave the European parliament. I think you have a very fair point there, so why don’t they resign? Especially the UKIP MEPs, they are against the whole institution, they have got what they want, they don’t engage with the EU, so why not lead by example and resign on mass, saving UK and EU tax payers alike?" Because the UKIP MEP's are the biggest hypocrites in Brussels..... | |||
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"I thought it was more like 430,000? Just shows how easy it is to use and abuse and misappropriate EU funds. Close the whole corrupt organisation down! So if a thief steals something from a shop, your solution is to close the shop, rather than punish the thief?
as usual you are talking through your arse
Try to stick to debating the issues."That's like asking UKIP to keep their grubby little mitts out of the EU cookie jar! | |||
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"I bet that's a drop in the ocean compared to what goes on in the cercles of junker and his lot . Exactly,robbing b,stards
So you have one person who has been found to have misappropriated funds, you say nothing about him, but then start accusing and attacking people who haven't been found to have misappropriated funds. How is that fair?
Ok if you want to talk about the misuse of taxpayers money, how about David Cameron and the Remain campaign spending £9 million quid (taxpayers money) on a one sided pro EU propaganda leaflet sent to every house in the UK before the referendum?
In the interests of fairness and balance where was the £9 million of UK taxpayers money for a one sided propaganda leaflet for the Leave campaign? Maybe Farage thought claiming £400,000 from the EU and using it on ukip material and campaigning for leave, would go some way to redress the balance. But just look at the numbers.....
Farage and Ukip = £400,000
Cameron and Remain = £9 million.
I think it's clear who the bigger crooks are, £400,000 is a drop in the ocean compared to £9 million.
Yet again, instead of actually addressing what Farage did and accepting that it is wrong, you, like the person quoted at the top, are pointing the finger at someone who hasn’t broken any rules. "So far these are only allegations directed at Farage and ukip. No wrong doing has been proved by anyone. I just saw a statement by Nigel Farage himself on Sky news. He said that the EU accusations say money from the European parliament grouping that Ukip are a part of was spent by Ukip in the run up to the general election. Farage says this is false and it was Ukip money that was spent for the general election, not EU money. The only real question of wrong doing hangs over if Farage and Ukip spent EU money on campaigning for Leave in the referendum, but Farage says this is down to an interpretation of the EU rules. As far as Farage is concerned no rules have been broken in the way he has interpreted them which differ to the EU interpretation of the same rules, so clearly this will be an ongoing case for which Farage will defend his and ukip's name. | |||
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" We are leaving the EU now, what is the point of British MEP's attending the European parliament. When we leave the EU then all British MEP's will also leave the European parliament. I think you have a very fair point there, so why don’t they resign? Especially the UKIP MEPs, they are against the whole institution, they have got what they want, they don’t engage with the EU, so why not lead by example and resign on mass, saving UK and EU tax payers alike? Because the UKIP MEP's are the biggest hypocrites in Brussels....." Isn't that kind of the whole point? | |||
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"I thought it was more like 430,000? Just shows how easy it is to use and abuse and misappropriate EU funds. Close the whole corrupt organisation down! So if a thief steals something from a shop, your solution is to close the shop, rather than punish the thief?
as usual you are talking through your arse
Try to stick to debating the issues."Pot, kettle and black springs to mind.... | |||
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"I bet that's a drop in the ocean compared to what goes on in the cercles of junker and his lot . Exactly,robbing b,stards
So you have one person who has been found to have misappropriated funds, you say nothing about him, but then start accusing and attacking people who haven't been found to have misappropriated funds. How is that fair?
Ok if you want to talk about the misuse of taxpayers money, how about David Cameron and the Remain campaign spending £9 million quid (taxpayers money) on a one sided pro EU propaganda leaflet sent to every house in the UK before the referendum?
In the interests of fairness and balance where was the £9 million of UK taxpayers money for a one sided propaganda leaflet for the Leave campaign? Maybe Farage thought claiming £400,000 from the EU and using it on ukip material and campaigning for leave, would go some way to redress the balance. But just look at the numbers.....
Farage and Ukip = £400,000
Cameron and Remain = £9 million.
I think it's clear who the bigger crooks are, £400,000 is a drop in the ocean compared to £9 million.
Yet again, instead of actually addressing what Farage did and accepting that it is wrong, you, like the person quoted at the top, are pointing the finger at someone who hasn’t broken any rules. "I'll say it then... if UKIP are found of wrongdoing, then what they have done is totally wrong. Now, you have no doubt seen the one sided, pro-EU leaflet... if not, google is your best friend.... and know that £9,000,000 of our money was used in producing it.... totally against the rules, and is effectively misappropriation of public money. So can you now accept and address Cameron and Remain's wrongdoing? | |||
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"I am just amazed that rather than some people just say ukip and farage are out of order they just use the "well other people are doing it!" And then deflect..... Two wrongs don't make a right!!! Just condemn him and the party for doing it!!!!" I remember hearing something about entrenched positions.......... | |||
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"I am just amazed that rather than some people just say ukip and farage are out of order they just use the "well other people are doing it!" And then deflect..... Two wrongs don't make a right!!! Just condemn him and the party for doing it!!!!" Fabio, at this point in time these are only accusations. No wrong doing has been proved, I expect that Farage could well take this case to court to clear his name. | |||
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"Why make a thread singling out farage and ukip, why not bemoan the whole herd of pigs in the swill." They are the only ones who have misappropriated funds. If others have done the same, then post the links. The government leaflet about the EU broke no rules, and was therefore not a misappropriation of funds. If you disagree, then tell us which rule or law they have broken, and which independent body has investigated and found the government guilty. | |||
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"I bet that's a drop in the ocean compared to what goes on in the cercles of junker and his lot . Exactly,robbing b,stards
So you have one person who has been found to have misappropriated funds, you say nothing about him, but then start accusing and attacking people who haven't been found to have misappropriated funds. How is that fair?
Ok if you want to talk about the misuse of taxpayers money, how about David Cameron and the Remain campaign spending £9 million quid (taxpayers money) on a one sided pro EU propaganda leaflet sent to every house in the UK before the referendum?
In the interests of fairness and balance where was the £9 million of UK taxpayers money for a one sided propaganda leaflet for the Leave campaign? Maybe Farage thought claiming £400,000 from the EU and using it on ukip material and campaigning for leave, would go some way to redress the balance. But just look at the numbers.....
Farage and Ukip = £400,000
Cameron and Remain = £9 million.
I think it's clear who the bigger crooks are, £400,000 is a drop in the ocean compared to £9 million.
Yet again, instead of actually addressing what Farage did and accepting that it is wrong, you, like the person quoted at the top, are pointing the finger at someone who hasn’t broken any rules.
I'll say it then... if UKIP are found of wrongdoing, then what they have done is totally wrong.
Now, you have no doubt seen the one sided, pro-EU leaflet... if not, google is your best friend.... and know that £9,000,000 of our money was used in producing it.... totally against the rules, and is effectively misappropriation of public money.
So can you now accept and address Cameron and Remain's wrongdoing?
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"As far as I,m concerned ALL politicians take advantage of any situation that benefits them just as YOU would. " | |||
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"As far as I,m concerned ALL politicians take advantage of any situation that benefits them just as YOU would.
"Does the thumbs up indicate that you would misappropriate funds if you were an MEP Grumpy Cat? | |||
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"I bet that's a drop in the ocean compared to what goes on in the cercles of junker and his lot . Exactly,robbing b,stards
So you have one person who has been found to have misappropriated funds, you say nothing about him, but then start accusing and attacking people who haven't been found to have misappropriated funds. How is that fair?
Ok if you want to talk about the misuse of taxpayers money, how about David Cameron and the Remain campaign spending £9 million quid (taxpayers money) on a one sided pro EU propaganda leaflet sent to every house in the UK before the referendum?
In the interests of fairness and balance where was the £9 million of UK taxpayers money for a one sided propaganda leaflet for the Leave campaign? Maybe Farage thought claiming £400,000 from the EU and using it on ukip material and campaigning for leave, would go some way to redress the balance. But just look at the numbers.....
Farage and Ukip = £400,000
Cameron and Remain = £9 million.
I think it's clear who the bigger crooks are, £400,000 is a drop in the ocean compared to £9 million.
Yet again, instead of actually addressing what Farage did and accepting that it is wrong, you, like the person quoted at the top, are pointing the finger at someone who hasn’t broken any rules.
I'll say it then... if UKIP are found of wrongdoing, then what they have done is totally wrong.
Now, you have no doubt seen the one sided, pro-EU leaflet... if not, google is your best friend.... and know that £9,000,000 of our money was used in producing it.... totally against the rules, and is effectively misappropriation of public money.
So can you now accept and address Cameron and Remain's wrongdoing?
. Great post,CLCC we await your answer "As I asked earlier, what rules or laws were broken by the government publication setting out the official government position, and which independent body has investigated and found this to be misappropriation of funds? | |||
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"Why make a thread singling out farage and ukip, why not bemoan the whole herd of pigs in the swill. They are the only ones who have misappropriated funds. If others have done the same, then post the links. The government leaflet about the EU broke no rules, and was therefore not a misappropriation of funds. If you disagree, then tell us which rule or law they have broken, and which independent body has investigated and found the government guilty. " If they broke the rules then sanctions will rightly apply but until it is proved then it is an allegation and you are potentionally open to a alligation of libel by your post | |||
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"As far as I,m concerned ALL politicians take advantage of any situation that benefits them just as YOU would.
Does the thumbs up indicate that you would misappropriate funds if you were an MEP Grumpy Cat? "No not me. | |||
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"Why make a thread singling out farage and ukip, why not bemoan the whole herd of pigs in the swill. They are the only ones who have misappropriated funds. If others have done the same, then post the links. The government leaflet about the EU broke no rules, and was therefore not a misappropriation of funds. If you disagree, then tell us which rule or law they have broken, and which independent body has investigated and found the government guilty. If they broke the rules then sanctions will rightly apply but until it is proved then it is an allegation and you are potentionally open to a alligation of libel by your post" It's not an allegation, they have been audited, and the audit has found they misappropriated funds. | |||
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"I bet that's a drop in the ocean compared to what goes on in the cercles of junker and his lot . Exactly,robbing b,stards
So you have one person who has been found to have misappropriated funds, you say nothing about him, but then start accusing and attacking people who haven't been found to have misappropriated funds. How is that fair? "Maybe if they ever get audited then we would see | |||
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"I bet that's a drop in the ocean compared to what goes on in the cercles of junker and his lot . Exactly,robbing b,stards
So you have one person who has been found to have misappropriated funds, you say nothing about him, but then start accusing and attacking people who haven't been found to have misappropriated funds. How is that fair?
Maybe if they ever get audited then we would see "They have been audited, thats how UKIP got caught! | |||
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"I bet that's a drop in the ocean compared to what goes on in the cercles of junker and his lot . Exactly,robbing b,stards
So you have one person who has been found to have misappropriated funds, you say nothing about him, but then start accusing and attacking people who haven't been found to have misappropriated funds. How is that fair?
Maybe if they ever get audited then we would see
They have been audited, thats how UKIP got caught!"No I mean the European comity | |||
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"Why make a thread singling out farage and ukip, why not bemoan the whole herd of pigs in the swill. They are the only ones who have misappropriated funds. If others have done the same, then post the links. The government leaflet about the EU broke no rules, and was therefore not a misappropriation of funds. If you disagree, then tell us which rule or law they have broken, and which independent body has investigated and found the government guilty. If they broke the rules then sanctions will rightly apply but until it is proved then it is an allegation and you are potentionally open to a alligation of libel by your post It's not an allegation, they have been audited, and the audit has found they misappropriated funds. " Hardly found guilty by an independant authority though is it, | |||
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"Why make a thread singling out farage and ukip, why not bemoan the whole herd of pigs in the swill. They are the only ones who have misappropriated funds. If others have done the same, then post the links. The government leaflet about the EU broke no rules, and was therefore not a misappropriation of funds. If you disagree, then tell us which rule or law they have broken, and which independent body has investigated and found the government guilty. If they broke the rules then sanctions will rightly apply but until it is proved then it is an allegation and you are potentionally open to a alligation of libel by your post It's not an allegation, they have been audited, and the audit has found they misappropriated funds. Hardly found guilty by an independant authority though is it, " Why, you think the organisation that found UKIP misappropriated funds is part of UKIP? | |||
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"I bet that's a drop in the ocean compared to what goes on in the cercles of junker and his lot . Exactly,robbing b,stards
So you have one person who has been found to have misappropriated funds, you say nothing about him, but then start accusing and attacking people who haven't been found to have misappropriated funds. How is that fair?
Maybe if they ever get audited then we would see
They have been audited, thats how UKIP got caught!
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"Why make a thread singling out farage and ukip, why not bemoan the whole herd of pigs in the swill. They are the only ones who have misappropriated funds. If others have done the same, then post the links. The government leaflet about the EU broke no rules, and was therefore not a misappropriation of funds. If you disagree, then tell us which rule or law they have broken, and which independent body has investigated and found the government guilty. If they broke the rules then sanctions will rightly apply but until it is proved then it is an allegation and you are potentionally open to a alligation of libel by your post It's not an allegation, they have been audited, and the audit has found they misappropriated funds. Hardly found guilty by an independant authority though is it, " As Nigel Farage said in his statement on sky news, "This is victimisation by the EU. I am the most investigated MEP in the history of the EU". Nigel Farage interpretation of the EU rules in this case differ to the EU commission interpretation of the rules. We need an independent body or court of law to look at this objectively in an unbiased manner to make a judgement on it. | |||
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" It's not an allegation, they have been audited, and the audit has found they misappropriated funds. Hardly found guilty by an independant authority though is it, As Nigel Farage said in his statement on sky news, "This is victimisation by the EU. I am the most investigated MEP in the history of the EU". Nigel Farage interpretation of the EU rules in this case differ to the EU commission interpretation of the rules. We need an independent body or court of law to look at this objectively in an unbiased manner to make a judgement on it. " funny you should say this.... because it was actually an external organisation that did the very audit that is now being disputed.... and it was done so that the EU themselves could not be accused of any bias... | |||
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"Why make a thread singling out farage and ukip, why not bemoan the whole herd of pigs in the swill. They are the only ones who have misappropriated funds. If others have done the same, then post the links. The government leaflet about the EU broke no rules, and was therefore not a misappropriation of funds. If you disagree, then tell us which rule or law they have broken, and which independent body has investigated and found the government guilty. If they broke the rules then sanctions will rightly apply but until it is proved then it is an allegation and you are potentionally open to a alligation of libel by your post It's not an allegation, they have been audited, and the audit has found they misappropriated funds. Hardly found guilty by an independant authority though is it, As Nigel Farage said in his statement on sky news, "This is victimisation by the EU. I am the most investigated MEP in the history of the EU". Nigel Farage interpretation of the EU rules in this case differ to the EU commission interpretation of the rules. We need an independent body or court of law to look at this objectively in an unbiased manner to make a judgement on it. " But did he admit he spent EU money to leave the EU? And that he believe he is allowed to do that. Funny to use the funds he would not have access to remove the funds they have access to as a member of the EU. Politics this last year is like a soap opera. | |||
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"I bet that's a drop in the ocean compared to what goes on in the cercles of junker and his lot . Exactly,robbing b,stards
So you have one person who has been found to have misappropriated funds, you say nothing about him, but then start accusing and attacking people who haven't been found to have misappropriated funds. How is that fair?
Maybe if they ever get audited then we would see
They have been audited, thats how UKIP got caught!
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"As far as I,m concerned ALL politicians take advantage of any situation that benefits them just as YOU would.
Does the thumbs up indicate that you would misappropriate funds if you were an MEP Grumpy Cat?
No not me."Take no notice Grumpy Cat CLCC twist everything to try and make a point that's why I no longer reply to their posts. | |||
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Does the thumbs up indicate that you would misappropriate funds if you were an MEP Grumpy Cat?
No not me.
Take no notice Grumpy Cat CLCC twist everything to try and make a point that's why I no longer reply to their posts. "Is that why you seem to accuse me of misappropriating funds but won't say why? | |||
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"The reality is that Farage is a grafter who is working really hard for his country .He is doing what is best for us . " Not for me he isn't, I didn't vote for him. I couldn't vote for him, I wouldn't vote for him, so please don't say he's working for us. He doesn't represent us. "The electorate elected him and I do not see anyone complaining about either his dedication or how hard he works. " He's MEP for south east England. The electorate there elected him. This is not the electorate as a whole. "Building a good relation with the USA is far more important than attending a few EU meetings. Do we know what the EU meetings were about ?" So what? He's still skiving off his elected and well renumerated role. In what other job could you be employed to work in a company in, say, Newcastle, but decide to go and work for someone else in, eg, Barcelona? How long would you last? | |||
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"I thought it was more like 430,000? Just shows how easy it is to use and abuse and misappropriate EU funds. Close the whole corrupt organisation down! I think it reflects more on the EU that their systems and practices are nothing more than a joke. If the EU don't like it then why don't they change the rules so MEP's only get paid when they show up for work in the European parliament. There systems and practices caught the misappropriation, and have asked for the money back. It seems as though they worked well. Again I find it strange that people are blaming the EU, rather than the group/UKIP/Farage that misappropriated the funds." Agreed, it is very odd! | |||
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Does the thumbs up indicate that you would misappropriate funds if you were an MEP Grumpy Cat?
No not me.
Take no notice Grumpy Cat CLCC twist everything to try and make a point that's why I no longer reply to their posts. "Or maybe, gods forbid, CLCC uses reason and evidence. Sadly lacking in many, many posts. The arguments in this thread are typical, people defending the alleged misappropriation. People claiming that the government made an illegal £9m spend. People saying that it's fine for one person to make said alleged misappropriation because others do it. And then picking on someone who uses reasoned argument. Well, at least nobody's called CLCC a twat in this thread so all's fine  | |||
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" It's not an allegation, they have been audited, and the audit has found they misappropriated funds. Hardly found guilty by an independant authority though is it, As Nigel Farage said in his statement on sky news, "This is victimisation by the EU. I am the most investigated MEP in the history of the EU". Nigel Farage interpretation of the EU rules in this case differ to the EU commission interpretation of the rules. We need an independent body or court of law to look at this objectively in an unbiased manner to make a judgement on it. funny you should say this.... because it was actually an external organisation that did the very audit that is now being disputed.... and it was done so that the EU themselves could not be accused of any bias..." Seems to be a developing story, I just saw Roger Helmer, Ukip MEP make a statement on itv news. He said that Ukip went out of their way to abide by the EU rules in full, even went to the trouble of employing 2 EU law experts to make sure everything was in order and signed off properly so that no rules would be broken. UKIP took these precautions because they knew full well that the EU would come after them and scrutinise every little detail to try to find some wrongdoing. Roger Helmer said that the EU have slightly tweaked the rules now in order to try to catch Ukip out, but at the time these events happened Ukip were acting within the rules. Ukip are going to fight this and will take the case to the European Court of Justice. | |||
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"The reality is that Farage is a grafter who is working really hard for his country .He is doing what is best for us . Not for me he isn't, I didn't vote for him. I couldn't vote for him, I wouldn't vote for him, so please don't say he's working for us. He doesn't represent us. The electorate elected him and I do not see anyone complaining about either his dedication or how hard he works. He's MEP for south east England. The electorate there elected him. This is not the electorate as a whole. Building a good relation with the USA is far more important than attending a few EU meetings. Do we know what the EU meetings were about ? So what? He's still skiving off his elected and well renumerated role. In what other job could you be employed to work in a company in, say, Newcastle, but decide to go and work for someone else in, eg, Barcelona? How long would you last?" Try looking at the commons live programmes and you'll invariably see an almost empty house.... there's the best part of 600 skivers for a start.... | |||
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"As far as I,m concerned ALL politicians take advantage of any situation that benefits them just as YOU would.
Does the thumbs up indicate that you would misappropriate funds if you were an MEP Grumpy Cat?
No not me.
Take no notice Grumpy Cat CLCC twist everything to try and make a point that's why I no longer reply to their posts.
Or maybe, gods forbid, CLCC uses reason and evidence. Sadly lacking in many, many posts.
The arguments in this thread are typical, people defending the alleged misappropriation. People claiming that the government made an illegal £9m spend. People saying that it's fine for one person to make said alleged misappropriation because others do it.
And then picking on someone who uses reasoned argument.
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"The reality is that Farage is a grafter who is working really hard for his country .He is doing what is best for us . Not for me he isn't, I didn't vote for him. I couldn't vote for him, I wouldn't vote for him, so please don't say he's working for us. He doesn't represent us. The electorate elected him and I do not see anyone complaining about either his dedication or how hard he works. He's MEP for south east England. The electorate there elected him. This is not the electorate as a whole. Building a good relation with the USA is far more important than attending a few EU meetings. Do we know what the EU meetings were about ? So what? He's still skiving off his elected and well renumerated role. In what other job could you be employed to work in a company in, say, Newcastle, but decide to go and work for someone else in, eg, Barcelona? How long would you last? Try looking at the commons live programmes and you'll invariably see an almost empty house.... there's the best part of 600 skivers for a start...." Surely you do know that part of an MP's job is to attend the chamber but by no means all of it? And that the vast majority of MPs are hard working people doing their best? But again, you appear, correct me if I've misread your post, to be defending Farage by saying '600 others do it so it's OK for Nigel to'. This continues to seem a very strange approach. If you seriously think that 600 people are skivers in Westminster, why aren't you saying Farage is wrong to be in the US? | |||
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"As far as I,m concerned ALL politicians take advantage of any situation that benefits them just as YOU would.
Does the thumbs up indicate that you would misappropriate funds if you were an MEP Grumpy Cat?
No not me.
Take no notice Grumpy Cat CLCC twist everything to try and make a point that's why I no longer reply to their posts.
Or maybe, gods forbid, CLCC uses reason and evidence. Sadly lacking in many, many posts.
The arguments in this thread are typical, people defending the alleged misappropriation. People claiming that the government made an illegal £9m spend. People saying that it's fine for one person to make said alleged misappropriation because others do it.
And then picking on someone who uses reasoned argument.
Well, at least nobody's called CLCC a twat in this thread so all's fine . Not yet "110 posts to go before it's too large so there's still time! | |||
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"The reality is that Farage is a grafter who is working really hard for his country .He is doing what is best for us . Not for me he isn't, I didn't vote for him. I couldn't vote for him, I wouldn't vote for him, so please don't say he's working for us. He doesn't represent us. The electorate elected him and I do not see anyone complaining about either his dedication or how hard he works. He's MEP for south east England. The electorate there elected him. This is not the electorate as a whole. Building a good relation with the USA is far more important than attending a few EU meetings. Do we know what the EU meetings were about ? So what? He's still skiving off his elected and well renumerated role. In what other job could you be employed to work in a company in, say, Newcastle, but decide to go and work for someone else in, eg, Barcelona? How long would you last? Try looking at the commons live programmes and you'll invariably see an almost empty house.... there's the best part of 600 skivers for a start.... Surely you do know that part of an MP's job is to attend the chamber but by no means all of it? And that the vast majority of MPs are hard working people doing their best? But again, you appear, correct me if I've misread your post, to be defending Farage by saying '600 others do it so it's OK for Nigel to'. This continues to seem a very strange approach. If you seriously think that 600 people are skivers in Westminster, why aren't you saying Farage is wrong to be in the US?" I suggest you read one of my earlier posts.... | |||
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"The reality is that Farage is a grafter who is working really hard for his country .He is doing what is best for us . Not for me he isn't, I didn't vote for him. I couldn't vote for him, I wouldn't vote for him, so please don't say he's working for us. He doesn't represent us. The electorate elected him and I do not see anyone complaining about either his dedication or how hard he works. He's MEP for south east England. The electorate there elected him. This is not the electorate as a whole. Building a good relation with the USA is far more important than attending a few EU meetings. Do we know what the EU meetings were about ? So what? He's still skiving off his elected and well renumerated role. In what other job could you be employed to work in a company in, say, Newcastle, but decide to go and work for someone else in, eg, Barcelona? How long would you last? Try looking at the commons live programmes and you'll invariably see an almost empty house.... there's the best part of 600 skivers for a start.... Surely you do know that part of an MP's job is to attend the chamber but by no means all of it? And that the vast majority of MPs are hard working people doing their best? But again, you appear, correct me if I've misread your post, to be defending Farage by saying '600 others do it so it's OK for Nigel to'. This continues to seem a very strange approach. If you seriously think that 600 people are skivers in Westminster, why aren't you saying Farage is wrong to be in the US? I suggest you read one of my earlier posts...." "if UKIP are found of wrongdoing, then what they have done is totally wrong". You now stand corrected. | |||
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"The reality is that Farage is a grafter who is working really hard for his country .He is doing what is best for us . Not for me he isn't, I didn't vote for him. I couldn't vote for him, I wouldn't vote for him, so please don't say he's working for us. He doesn't represent us. The electorate elected him and I do not see anyone complaining about either his dedication or how hard he works. He's MEP for south east England. The electorate there elected him. This is not the electorate as a whole. Building a good relation with the USA is far more important than attending a few EU meetings. Do we know what the EU meetings were about ? So what? He's still skiving off his elected and well renumerated role. In what other job could you be employed to work in a company in, say, Newcastle, but decide to go and work for someone else in, eg, Barcelona? How long would you last? Try looking at the commons live programmes and you'll invariably see an almost empty house.... there's the best part of 600 skivers for a start.... Surely you do know that part of an MP's job is to attend the chamber but by no means all of it? And that the vast majority of MPs are hard working people doing their best? But again, you appear, correct me if I've misread your post, to be defending Farage by saying '600 others do it so it's OK for Nigel to'. This continues to seem a very strange approach. If you seriously think that 600 people are skivers in Westminster, why aren't you saying Farage is wrong to be in the US? I suggest you read one of my earlier posts...." Oh, I have read them. And, there you do say 'if found wrong doing...' or words to that effect. But that is at odds with your 600 skivers comment. Oh, and then you go on about the £9m as if it was wrong. As asked previously, please point to who says it was against the rules etc. | |||
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"The reality is that Farage is a grafter who is working really hard for his country .He is doing what is best for us . Not for me he isn't, I didn't vote for him. I couldn't vote for him, I wouldn't vote for him, so please don't say he's working for us. He doesn't represent us. The electorate elected him and I do not see anyone complaining about either his dedication or how hard he works. He's MEP for south east England. The electorate there elected him. This is not the electorate as a whole. Building a good relation with the USA is far more important than attending a few EU meetings. Do we know what the EU meetings were about ? So what? He's still skiving off his elected and well renumerated role. In what other job could you be employed to work in a company in, say, Newcastle, but decide to go and work for someone else in, eg, Barcelona? How long would you last? Try looking at the commons live programmes and you'll invariably see an almost empty house.... there's the best part of 600 skivers for a start.... Surely you do know that part of an MP's job is to attend the chamber but by no means all of it? And that the vast majority of MPs are hard working people doing their best? But again, you appear, correct me if I've misread your post, to be defending Farage by saying '600 others do it so it's OK for Nigel to'. This continues to seem a very strange approach. If you seriously think that 600 people are skivers in Westminster, why aren't you saying Farage is wrong to be in the US? I suggest you read one of my earlier posts.... "if UKIP are found of wrongdoing, then what they have done is totally wrong". You now stand corrected." Or maybe you are merely illustrating your own inconsistent posts. | |||
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" It's not an allegation, they have been audited, and the audit has found they misappropriated funds. Hardly found guilty by an independant authority though is it, As Nigel Farage said in his statement on sky news, "This is victimisation by the EU. I am the most investigated MEP in the history of the EU". Nigel Farage interpretation of the EU rules in this case differ to the EU commission interpretation of the rules. We need an independent body or court of law to look at this objectively in an unbiased manner to make a judgement on it. funny you should say this.... because it was actually an external organisation that did the very audit that is now being disputed.... and it was done so that the EU themselves could not be accused of any bias... Seems to be a developing story, I just saw Roger Helmer, Ukip MEP make a statement on itv news. He said that Ukip went out of their way to abide by the EU rules in full, even went to the trouble of employing 2 EU law experts to make sure everything was in order and signed off properly so that no rules would be broken. UKIP took these precautions because they knew full well that the EU would come after them and scrutinise every little detail to try to find some wrongdoing. Roger Helmer said that the EU have slightly tweaked the rules now in order to try to catch Ukip out, but at the time these events happened Ukip were acting within the rules. Ukip are going to fight this and will take the case to the European Court of Justice. " ukip fighting this in a court in brussels/strasbourg.... the irony.... anyway, should be interesting because the independent auditors are so confident that there findings are correct that it is being presented in a session at the european parliament on monday....
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"UKIP are going to be asked to pay back £150,000 of misappropriated funds from the EU that they spent, in part, trying to get Farage a seat in the house of commons. They complain about the EU gravy train, but they are the worst ones for it. Why is Farage still claiming an MEPs salary, if he is actually off galavanting around the US? Why is he on the CFP committee if he has only attending 1 meeting out of 40? Could you get away with that in your job? The reality is that Farage is a grafter who is working really hard for his country .He is doing what is best for us . The electorate elected him and I do not see anyone complaining about either his dedication or how hard he works. Building a good relation with the USA is far more important than attending a few EU meetings. Do we know what the EU meetings were about ? I just complained about how hard he works. His job is as an MEP, his job isn't to be a warm up act for Trump. Farage's job (well part of it) is to represent UK fishermen at the CFP committee, a job that as I mentioned above, he isn't doing. Farage isn't a member of HM government, or an ambassador, so he shouldn't be meeting Trump, and Trump shouldn't be meeting him. It's not just that I don't like Farage, I would also say that Trump shouldn't meet Corbyn either. You have to work with elected officials of that country, not whichever politician you happen to like the most." As we have voted to leave the EU is this not all irrelevant now .? | |||
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"As far as I,m concerned ALL politicians take advantage of any situation that benefits them just as YOU would.
Does the thumbs up indicate that you would misappropriate funds if you were an MEP Grumpy Cat?
No not me.
Take no notice Grumpy Cat CLCC twist everything to try and make a point that's why I no longer reply to their posts.
Or maybe, gods forbid, CLCC uses reason and evidence. Sadly lacking in many, many posts.
The arguments in this thread are typical, people defending the alleged misappropriation. People claiming that the government made an illegal £9m spend. People saying that it's fine for one person to make said alleged misappropriation because others do it.
And then picking on someone who uses reasoned argument.
Well, at least nobody's called CLCC a twat in this thread so all's fine "I was,nt referring to CLCC in my earlier post it just happened to end up just below one of theirs, it was CLCC that took it that it was a dig at them. | |||
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"The reality is that Farage is a grafter who is working really hard for his country .He is doing what is best for us . Not for me he isn't, I didn't vote for him. I couldn't vote for him, I wouldn't vote for him, so please don't say he's working for us. He doesn't represent us. The electorate elected him and I do not see anyone complaining about either his dedication or how hard he works. He's MEP for south east England. The electorate there elected him. This is not the electorate as a whole. Building a good relation with the USA is far more important than attending a few EU meetings. Do we know what the EU meetings were about ? So what? He's still skiving off his elected and well renumerated role. In what other job could you be employed to work in a company in, say, Newcastle, but decide to go and work for someone else in, eg, Barcelona? How long would you last? Try looking at the commons live programmes and you'll invariably see an almost empty house.... there's the best part of 600 skivers for a start...." Have a look at former Lib Dem leader MP Nick Clegg's voting record in The House of Commons since the general election, he has missed 3 out of every 4 votes, it's pathetic. | |||
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"Moral of the story here is that if you like the guys who's hand is in the cookie jar than it's okay. apparently so....... which is say that people are so blinked they will forgive any wrongdoing because someone else does it.... it is actually a rather childish way of acting....." In the same way you were blinkered in your support for Hillary Clinton Fabio? | |||
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"The reality is that Farage is a grafter who is working really hard for his country .He is doing what is best for us . Not for me he isn't, I didn't vote for him. I couldn't vote for him, I wouldn't vote for him, so please don't say he's working for us. He doesn't represent us. The electorate elected him and I do not see anyone complaining about either his dedication or how hard he works. He's MEP for south east England. The electorate there elected him. This is not the electorate as a whole. Building a good relation with the USA is far more important than attending a few EU meetings. Do we know what the EU meetings were about ? So what? He's still skiving off his elected and well renumerated role. In what other job could you be employed to work in a company in, say, Newcastle, but decide to go and work for someone else in, eg, Barcelona? How long would you last? Try looking at the commons live programmes and you'll invariably see an almost empty house.... there's the best part of 600 skivers for a start.... Have a look at former Lib Dem leader MP Nick Clegg's voting record in The House of Commons since the general election, he has missed 3 out of every 4 votes, it's pathetic. " That is still 10 times higher than Nigel Farage's attendance at CFP meetings, are you going to call him pathetic, or are you too much of a Farage Fanboy? | |||
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"Something has changed recently in as much as not that long ago any politician was ripe for having the piss taken out of them and it didn't really matter which part he was in or who you voted for - they were all fair game. Now though we have Nigel The Omnipotent and his hallowed band of chaps and chapesses who for some of their worshippers, can do no wrong at all and God forbid anyone that casts an ironic jibe in their direction. Rather than laugh at the political gaffs and ironies that ALL politicians drop, we are now in a situation where UKIP and its faithful flock of doting worshipers seem unable to join in the great traditions of taking the piss out of Politicians. Strange times that we live in these days." I'm no fan of Corbyn, but can you imagine what the forums would be saying if he had been caught misappropriating funds of this magnitude? Do you think people would be saying "yeah but everyone's at it"? | |||
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"Something has changed recently in as much as not that long ago any politician was ripe for having the piss taken out of them and it didn't really matter which part he was in or who you voted for - they were all fair game. Now though we have Nigel The Omnipotent and his hallowed band of chaps and chapesses who for some of their worshippers, can do no wrong at all and God forbid anyone that casts an ironic jibe in their direction. Rather than laugh at the political gaffs and ironies that ALL politicians drop, we are now in a situation where UKIP and its faithful flock of doting worshipers seem unable to join in the great traditions of taking the piss out of Politicians. Strange times that we live in these days." amen to this......
I wish they would just admit that he is wrong.. and the party are wrong...
we all make mistakes... two wrongs don't make a right... don't try and deflect by blaming other.
whatever happened to taking self ownership.... oh but they did this!!! just hold ya hand up and say "our mistake!!!"
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"Something has changed recently in as much as not that long ago any politician was ripe for having the piss taken out of them and it didn't really matter which part he was in or who you voted for - they were all fair game. Now though we have Nigel The Omnipotent and his hallowed band of chaps and chapesses who for some of their worshippers, can do no wrong at all and God forbid anyone that casts an ironic jibe in their direction. Rather than laugh at the political gaffs and ironies that ALL politicians drop, we are now in a situation where UKIP and its faithful flock of doting worshipers seem unable to join in the great traditions of taking the piss out of Politicians. Strange times that we live in these days. I'm no fan of Corbyn, but can you imagine what the forums would be saying if he had been caught misappropriating funds of this magnitude? Do you think people would be saying "yeah but everyone's at it"? " Tell that to Jacqui Smith. Flipping, Porn movies, Sisters flat etc etc. | |||
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"The reality is that Farage is a grafter who is working really hard for his country .He is doing what is best for us . Not for me he isn't, I didn't vote for him. I couldn't vote for him, I wouldn't vote for him, so please don't say he's working for us. He doesn't represent us. The electorate elected him and I do not see anyone complaining about either his dedication or how hard he works. He's MEP for south east England. The electorate there elected him. This is not the electorate as a whole. Building a good relation with the USA is far more important than attending a few EU meetings. Do we know what the EU meetings were about ? So what? He's still skiving off his elected and well renumerated role. In what other job could you be employed to work in a company in, say, Newcastle, but decide to go and work for someone else in, eg, Barcelona? How long would you last? Try looking at the commons live programmes and you'll invariably see an almost empty house.... there's the best part of 600 skivers for a start.... Have a look at former Lib Dem leader MP Nick Clegg's voting record in The House of Commons since the general election, he has missed 3 out of every 4 votes, it's pathetic. That is still 10 times higher than Nigel Farage's attendance at CFP meetings, are you going to call him pathetic, or are you too much of a Farage Fanboy? " He has made no secret of the fact that he is there for one reason only. To destroy the EU. His election pitch was exactly that so anyone who voted for him doesn't really give a flying fuck whether or not he slept through a meeting about the shape of Sardine tails in the Med. | |||
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" It's not an allegation, they have been audited, and the audit has found they misappropriated funds. Hardly found guilty by an independant authority though is it, As Nigel Farage said in his statement on sky news, "This is victimisation by the EU. I am the most investigated MEP in the history of the EU". Nigel Farage interpretation of the EU rules in this case differ to the EU commission interpretation of the rules. We need an independent body or court of law to look at this objectively in an unbiased manner to make a judgement on it. funny you should say this.... because it was actually an external organisation that did the very audit that is now being disputed.... and it was done so that the EU themselves could not be accused of any bias... Seems to be a developing story, I just saw Roger Helmer, Ukip MEP make a statement on itv news. He said that Ukip went out of their way to abide by the EU rules in full, even went to the trouble of employing 2 EU law experts to make sure everything was in order and signed off properly so that no rules would be broken. UKIP took these precautions because they knew full well that the EU would come after them and scrutinise every little detail to try to find some wrongdoing. Roger Helmer said that the EU have slightly tweaked the rules now in order to try to catch Ukip out, but at the time these events happened Ukip were acting within the rules. Ukip are going to fight this and will take the case to the European Court of Justice. ukip fighting this in a court in brussels/strasbourg.... the irony.... anyway, should be interesting because the independent auditors are so confident that there findings are correct that it is being presented in a session at the european parliament on monday....
so i wonder that if ukip try and take it to court... the auditors will countersue them!!!"EU auditors? If there was ever a contradiction in terms that would be it. | |||
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" It's not an allegation, they have been audited, and the audit has found they misappropriated funds. Hardly found guilty by an independant authority though is it, As Nigel Farage said in his statement on sky news, "This is victimisation by the EU. I am the most investigated MEP in the history of the EU". Nigel Farage interpretation of the EU rules in this case differ to the EU commission interpretation of the rules. We need an independent body or court of law to look at this objectively in an unbiased manner to make a judgement on it. funny you should say this.... because it was actually an external organisation that did the very audit that is now being disputed.... and it was done so that the EU themselves could not be accused of any bias... Seems to be a developing story, I just saw Roger Helmer, Ukip MEP make a statement on itv news. He said that Ukip went out of their way to abide by the EU rules in full, even went to the trouble of employing 2 EU law experts to make sure everything was in order and signed off properly so that no rules would be broken. UKIP took these precautions because they knew full well that the EU would come after them and scrutinise every little detail to try to find some wrongdoing. Roger Helmer said that the EU have slightly tweaked the rules now in order to try to catch Ukip out, but at the time these events happened Ukip were acting within the rules. Ukip are going to fight this and will take the case to the European Court of Justice. " Rumour has it in Germany that they are going to try the same stunt with AFD. Seems the rules are that if you are an EU supporting mainstream party you can fuck the EU for as much as you like. But heaven help you if you are not. | |||
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"The reality is that Farage is a grafter who is working really hard for his country .He is doing what is best for us . Not for me he isn't, I didn't vote for him. I couldn't vote for him, I wouldn't vote for him, so please don't say he's working for us. He doesn't represent us. The electorate elected him and I do not see anyone complaining about either his dedication or how hard he works. He's MEP for south east England. The electorate there elected him. This is not the electorate as a whole. Building a good relation with the USA is far more important than attending a few EU meetings. Do we know what the EU meetings were about ? So what? He's still skiving off his elected and well renumerated role. In what other job could you be employed to work in a company in, say, Newcastle, but decide to go and work for someone else in, eg, Barcelona? How long would you last? Try looking at the commons live programmes and you'll invariably see an almost empty house.... there's the best part of 600 skivers for a start.... Have a look at former Lib Dem leader MP Nick Clegg's voting record in The House of Commons since the general election, he has missed 3 out of every 4 votes, it's pathetic. That is still 10 times higher than Nigel Farage's attendance at CFP meetings, are you going to call him pathetic, or are you too much of a Farage Fanboy? " What does attending meetings actually achieve . You can go to one and say nothing or maybe say so much that you bore people to death. What exactly did you expect him to do at these meetings and have any of his constituents complained ?. Those who support him are not bothered and those who dislike him would not want him to attend anyway. It would appear to be a win win situation for everyone and he is as entitled to the payments the same as any other MP. The only wrong doing he is guilty of is working too hard for the British public. | |||
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"Something has changed recently in as much as not that long ago any politician was ripe for having the piss taken out of them and it didn't really matter which part he was in or who you voted for - they were all fair game. Now though we have Nigel The Omnipotent and his hallowed band of chaps and chapesses who for some of their worshippers, can do no wrong at all and God forbid anyone that casts an ironic jibe in their direction. Rather than laugh at the political gaffs and ironies that ALL politicians drop, we are now in a situation where UKIP and its faithful flock of doting worshipers seem unable to join in the great traditions of taking the piss out of Politicians. Strange times that we live in these days." Its almost a deification which in any society especially one such as this where access to information is readily available and there is at least a half decent education system is puzzling.. | |||
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"The reality is that Farage is a grafter who is working really hard for his country .He is doing what is best for us . Not for me he isn't, I didn't vote for him. I couldn't vote for him, I wouldn't vote for him, so please don't say he's working for us. He doesn't represent us. The electorate elected him and I do not see anyone complaining about either his dedication or how hard he works. He's MEP for south east England. The electorate there elected him. This is not the electorate as a whole. Building a good relation with the USA is far more important than attending a few EU meetings. Do we know what the EU meetings were about ? So what? He's still skiving off his elected and well renumerated role. In what other job could you be employed to work in a company in, say, Newcastle, but decide to go and work for someone else in, eg, Barcelona? How long would you last? Try looking at the commons live programmes and you'll invariably see an almost empty house.... there's the best part of 600 skivers for a start.... Have a look at former Lib Dem leader MP Nick Clegg's voting record in The House of Commons since the general election, he has missed 3 out of every 4 votes, it's pathetic. That is still 10 times higher than Nigel Farage's attendance at CFP meetings, are you going to call him pathetic, or are you too much of a Farage Fanboy? What does attending meetings actually achieve . You can go to one and say nothing or maybe say so much that you bore people to death. What exactly did you expect him to do at these meetings and have any of his constituents complained ?. Those who support him are not bothered and those who dislike him would not want him to attend anyway. It would appear to be a win win situation for everyone and he is as entitled to the payments the same as any other MP. The only wrong doing he is guilty of is working too hard for the British public. " He has no mandate to work for the BRITISH public...i never voted for him...and as far as i know hes not a member of parliament....the only mandate he has is to work in the EU parliament....so im not sure were your getting all this from about working for the BRITISH public  | |||
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" He has no mandate to work for the BRITISH public...i never voted for him...and as far as i know hes not a member of parliament....the only mandate he has is to work in the EU parliament....so im not sure were your getting all this from about working for the BRITISH public "I'm not defending the fella, but he is an MEP for south east England. His mandate is to work for the constituents in that area in the European parliament. | |||
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" He has no mandate to work for the BRITISH public...i never voted for him...and as far as i know hes not a member of parliament....the only mandate he has is to work in the EU parliament....so im not sure were your getting all this from about working for the BRITISH public
I'm not defending the fella, but he is an MEP for south east England. His mandate is to work for the constituents in that area in the European parliament."Not according to some of his supporters, his function was to not attend any business to do with anything that may have affected them or for which they may have gained any benefit at all.. purely there to disrupt and show how bad the institution is.. and to take as much financially as he could do.. a very strange position.. | |||
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"The only wrong doing he is guilty of is working too hard for the British public. " I going to say it again, even though others have, he's not working for the british public thank you. | |||
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"The only wrong doing he is guilty of is working too hard for the British public. I going to say it again, even though others have, he's not working for the british public thank you. " 52% of us he is and in time I sincerely believe most will look back and thank him, I know may well disagree and thats fine | |||
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"The only wrong doing he is guilty of is working too hard for the British public. I going to say it again, even though others have, he's not working for the british public thank you. 52% of us he is and in time I sincerely believe most will look back and thank him, I know may well disagree and thats fine" You're not one of his constituents. | |||
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"The only wrong doing he is guilty of is working too hard for the British public. I going to say it again, even though others have, he's not working for the british public thank you. 52% of us he is and in time I sincerely believe most will look back and thank him, I know may well disagree and thats fine" No, you are wrong. It's got nothing to do with leave or remain, Farage does not work for the british public. End of. His 'job' is to represent the people of the south east in the European Parliament, if he's not doing that (and their thoughts, or yours for that matter, as to whether he should be are irrelevant) then he's not doing his job. Until someone with the authority to do so appoints him to work for the british people then he is not, he's on a self-appointed jolly. We could, of course, examine the motives for said jolly but that would, without a doubt, open up a whole new can of worms. | |||
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" He has no mandate to work for the BRITISH public...i never voted for him...and as far as i know hes not a member of parliament....the only mandate he has is to work in the EU parliament....so im not sure were your getting all this from about working for the BRITISH public
I'm not defending the fella, but he is an MEP for south east England. His mandate is to work for the constituents in that area in the European parliament."Yep, and to do the job which those ukip voters in the south east elected him to do which is get Britain out of the EU. Nigel Farage has worked tirelessly over the last 20 years to get Britain out of this undemocratic, over bureaucratic, sclerotic, wretched EU project against all the odds he has achieved what he set out to do. Plus 4 million people voted ukip at the last general election, those 4 million ukip voters think Farage does a great job, no complaints here. Talk of him now getting a peerage to be in the house of Lords, if the house of Lords is to be a fair reflection of British society then we need some UKip representatives in the House of Lords. Nigel Farage would be a great start. | |||
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it would be a sad day for this country if he was able to enter into the palace of Westminster and be a member of the House of Lords..
actually surely he would reject such an offer?
them being the 'establishment' and him a man of the people and all.. | |||
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" He has no mandate to work for the BRITISH public...i never voted for him...and as far as i know hes not a member of parliament....the only mandate he has is to work in the EU parliament....so im not sure were your getting all this from about working for the BRITISH public
I'm not defending the fella, but he is an MEP for south east England. His mandate is to work for the constituents in that area in the European parliament.
Yep, and to do the job which those ukip voters in the south east elected him to do which is get Britain out of the EU. Nigel Farage has worked tirelessly over the last 20 years to get Britain out of this undemocratic, over bureaucratic, sclerotic, wretched EU project against all the odds he has achieved what he set out to do. Plus 4 million people voted ukip at the last general election, those 4 million ukip voters think Farage does a great job, no complaints here. Talk of him now getting a peerage to be in the house of Lords, if the house of Lords is to be a fair reflection of British society then we need some UKip representatives in the House of Lords. Nigel Farage would be a great start. "He has no mandate...oh and you failed to mention...he didn't win the seat he was fighting for in the last election....so no he doesn't have a mandate....and also remember...over 16 million voted against leaving...like i said Fargeism is an illness 4 million caught it...im sure in time they will find a cure | |||
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"Plus 4 million people voted ukip at the last general election, those 4 million ukip voters think Farage does a great job, no complaints here." You have no data to base this on do you? I mean, are you suggesting that all UKIP voters think he 'does a great job'? Really, all of them? | |||
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" He has no mandate to work for the BRITISH public...i never voted for him...and as far as i know hes not a member of parliament....the only mandate he has is to work in the EU parliament....so im not sure were your getting all this from about working for the BRITISH public
I'm not defending the fella, but he is an MEP for south east England. His mandate is to work for the constituents in that area in the European parliament.
Yep, and to do the job which those ukip voters in the south east elected him to do which is get Britain out of the EU. Nigel Farage has worked tirelessly over the last 20 years to get Britain out of this undemocratic, over bureaucratic, sclerotic, wretched EU project against all the odds he has achieved what he set out to do. Plus 4 million people voted ukip at the last general election, those 4 million ukip voters think Farage does a great job, no complaints here. Talk of him now getting a peerage to be in the house of Lords, if the house of Lords is to be a fair reflection of British society then we need some UKip representatives in the House of Lords. Nigel Farage would be a great start.
He has no mandate...oh and you failed to mention...he didn't win the seat he was fighting for in the last election....so no he doesn't have a mandate....and also remember...over 16 million voted against leaving...like i said Fargeism is an illness 4 million caught it...im sure in time they will find a cure "You also failed to mention 17 and half million people voted Leave in the referendum, which is 1 and half million more than your 16 million. | |||
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" Yep, and to do the job which those ukip voters in the south east elected him to do which is get Britain out of the EU. Nigel Farage has worked tirelessly over the last 20 years to get Britain out of this undemocratic ... Talk of him now getting a peerage to be in the house of Lords, if the house of Lords is to be a fair reflection of British society then we need some UKip representatives in the House of Lords. Nigel Farage would be a great start. " More irony, don't you just love it! I mean, come on, as a way of having a second house in a bicameral parliament it works well enough, but it's not exactly democratic is it! | |||
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" He has no mandate to work for the BRITISH public...i never voted for him...and as far as i know hes not a member of parliament....the only mandate he has is to work in the EU parliament....so im not sure were your getting all this from about working for the BRITISH public
I'm not defending the fella, but he is an MEP for south east England. His mandate is to work for the constituents in that area in the European parliament.
Yep, and to do the job which those ukip voters in the south east elected him to do which is get Britain out of the EU. Nigel Farage has worked tirelessly over the last 20 years to get Britain out of this undemocratic, over bureaucratic, sclerotic, wretched EU project against all the odds he has achieved what he set out to do. Plus 4 million people voted ukip at the last general election, those 4 million ukip voters think Farage does a great job, no complaints here. Talk of him now getting a peerage to be in the house of Lords, if the house of Lords is to be a fair reflection of British society then we need some UKip representatives in the House of Lords. Nigel Farage would be a great start.
He has no mandate...oh and you failed to mention...he didn't win the seat he was fighting for in the last election....so no he doesn't have a mandate....and also remember...over 16 million voted against leaving...like i said Fargeism is an illness 4 million caught it...im sure in time they will find a cure
You also failed to mention 17 and half million people voted Leave in the referendum, which is 1 and half million more than your 16 million. "Now you're suggesting that all leave voters are Farage fans? This is pushing credulity to its limits! | |||
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" He has no mandate to work for the BRITISH public...i never voted for him...and as far as i know hes not a member of parliament....the only mandate he has is to work in the EU parliament....so im not sure were your getting all this from about working for the BRITISH public
I'm not defending the fella, but he is an MEP for south east England. His mandate is to work for the constituents in that area in the European parliament.
Yep, and to do the job which those ukip voters in the south east elected him to do which is get Britain out of the EU. Nigel Farage has worked tirelessly over the last 20 years to get Britain out of this undemocratic, over bureaucratic, sclerotic, wretched EU project against all the odds he has achieved what he set out to do. Plus 4 million people voted ukip at the last general election, those 4 million ukip voters think Farage does a great job, no complaints here. Talk of him now getting a peerage to be in the house of Lords, if the house of Lords is to be a fair reflection of British society then we need some UKip representatives in the House of Lords. Nigel Farage would be a great start.
He has no mandate...oh and you failed to mention...he didn't win the seat he was fighting for in the last election....so no he doesn't have a mandate....and also remember...over 16 million voted against leaving...like i said Fargeism is an illness 4 million caught it...im sure in time they will find a cure
You also failed to mention 17 and half million people voted Leave in the referendum, which is 1 and half million more than your 16 million.
Now you're suggesting that all leave voters are Farage fans? This is pushing credulity to its limits!"Exactly.......Seventeen million think Farage is a godlike creature, yet he couldn't get enough to vote for him at a general election.....he's a joke. | |||
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"Farage has dismissed the House of Lords himself on more than one occasion, like many (me included) he thinks it is time it was abolished. Farage couldn't even win a seat at the general election.....he's that popular." I also think the House of Lords needs reform and should be more democratic but at this point in time it is what it is. Maybe Farage could help to change the House of Lords from within, as he managed to help get us out of the EU from within it as an MEP. | |||
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"Farage has dismissed the House of Lords himself on more than one occasion, like many (me included) he thinks it is time it was abolished. Farage couldn't even win a seat at the general election.....he's that popular. I also think the House of Lords needs reform and should be more democratic but at this point in time it is what it is. Maybe Farage could help to change the House of Lords from within, as he managed to help get us out of the EU from within it as an MEP. " You know there's a saying ....stop digging when your in a hole....i'll say this once more...Farage has no mandate to represent one person away from the brussels parliament....he certainly doesn't represent me or the rest of the country...Hes an MEP...for the time being...and ill never ever get voted in to the UK parliament | |||
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"Farage has dismissed the House of Lords himself on more than one occasion, like many (me included) he thinks it is time it was abolished. Farage couldn't even win a seat at the general election.....he's that popular. I also think the House of Lords needs reform and should be more democratic but at this point in time it is what it is. Maybe Farage could help to change the House of Lords from within, as he managed to help get us out of the EU from within it as an MEP. " Just out of interest, did he deliberatly become an MEP for this reason out of choice or was it simply because he couldn't be an MP? Anyone know? | |||
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"Farage has dismissed the House of Lords himself on more than one occasion, like many (me included) he thinks it is time it was abolished. Farage couldn't even win a seat at the general election.....he's that popular. I also think the House of Lords needs reform and should be more democratic but at this point in time it is what it is. Maybe Farage could help to change the House of Lords from within, as he managed to help get us out of the EU from within it as an MEP. You know there's a saying ....stop digging when your in a hole....i'll say this once more...Farage has no mandate to represent one person away from the brussels parliament....he certainly doesn't represent me or the rest of the country...Hes an MEP...for the time being...and ill never ever get voted in to the UK parliament "Lol, in the same way people like you said Donald Trump would never get voted into being the American President, your arrogance is astonishing. May I remind you that in the constituency seat of South Thanet where Farage stood as a candidate in the general election it later emerged in the news that the winning Tory candidate and the Tory party may have broken electoral rules on spending limits. There is still an ongoing police investigation into this in South Thanet and if found guilty the Tory candidate could be stripped of his seat in Parliament. There are real question marks that the tories cheated to win this seat and many other seats in a similar way at the general election. Nigel Farage came 2nd in this seat and should in my view get the seat by default if the Tory candidate is found guilty of breaking election rules. | |||
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"Farage has dismissed the House of Lords himself on more than one occasion, like many (me included) he thinks it is time it was abolished. Farage couldn't even win a seat at the general election.....he's that popular. I also think the House of Lords needs reform and should be more democratic but at this point in time it is what it is. Maybe Farage could help to change the House of Lords from within, as he managed to help get us out of the EU from within it as an MEP. You know there's a saying ....stop digging when your in a hole....i'll say this once more...Farage has no mandate to represent one person away from the brussels parliament....he certainly doesn't represent me or the rest of the country...Hes an MEP...for the time being...and ill never ever get voted in to the UK parliament
Lol, in the same way people like you said Donald Trump would never get voted into being the American President, your arrogance is astonishing.
May I remind you that in the constituency seat of South Thanet where Farage stood as a candidate in the general election it later emerged in the news that the winning Tory candidate and the Tory party may have broken electoral rules on spending limits. There is still an ongoing police investigation into this in South Thanet and if found guilty the Tory candidate could be stripped of his seat in Parliament. There are real question marks that the tories cheated to win this seat and many other seats in a similar way at the general election. Nigel Farage came 2nd in this seat and should in my view get the seat by default if the Tory candidate is found guilty of breaking election rules. "Dare I mention straws? | |||
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"May I remind you that in the constituency seat of South Thanet where Farage stood as a candidate in the general election it later emerged in the news that the winning Tory candidate and the Tory party may have broken electoral rules on spending limits. There is still an ongoing police investigation into this in South Thanet and if found guilty the Tory candidate could be stripped of his seat in Parliament. There are real question marks that the tories cheated to win this seat and many other seats in a similar way at the general election. Nigel Farage came 2nd in this seat and should in my view get the seat by default if the Tory candidate is found guilty of breaking election rules. " Well, one thing is certain about that is that, in this case at least, ypur view (and mine for that matter) is totally irrelevant. Election law will define what happens. In the event this does pan out to (if I'm right) a bye election, no doubt the fine people of South Thanet will flock to elect Farage and all will be right with the world. | |||
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" He has no mandate to work for the BRITISH public...i never voted for him...and as far as i know hes not a member of parliament....the only mandate he has is to work in the EU parliament....so im not sure were your getting all this from about working for the BRITISH public
I'm not defending the fella, but he is an MEP for south east England. His mandate is to work for the constituents in that area in the European parliament.
Yep, and to do the job which those ukip voters in the south east elected him to do which is get Britain out of the EU. Nigel Farage has worked tirelessly over the last 20 years to get Britain out of this undemocratic, over bureaucratic, sclerotic, wretched EU project against all the odds he has achieved what he set out to do. Plus 4 million people voted ukip at the last general election, those 4 million ukip voters think Farage does a great job, no complaints here. Talk of him now getting a peerage to be in the house of Lords, if the house of Lords is to be a fair reflection of British society then we need some UKip representatives in the House of Lords. Nigel Farage would be a great start.
He has no mandate...oh and you failed to mention...he didn't win the seat he was fighting for in the last election....so no he doesn't have a mandate....and also remember...over 16 million voted against leaving...like i said Fargeism is an illness 4 million caught it...im sure in time they will find a cure
You also failed to mention 17 and half million people voted Leave in the referendum, which is 1 and half million more than your 16 million. "given his xenophobic and frankly disgusting poster I reckon most who voted to leave were more swayed by the likes of Boris than him.. after all on here its the case that most of the brexit contributors have at least looked at many of the issue's and not just some 'were being invaded by them' rubbish.. unless that was the sole issue.. | |||
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"Farage has dismissed the House of Lords himself on more than one occasion, like many (me included) he thinks it is time it was abolished. Farage couldn't even win a seat at the general election.....he's that popular. I also think the House of Lords needs reform and should be more democratic but at this point in time it is what it is. Maybe Farage could help to change the House of Lords from within, as he managed to help get us out of the EU from within it as an MEP. You know there's a saying ....stop digging when your in a hole....i'll say this once more...Farage has no mandate to represent one person away from the brussels parliament....he certainly doesn't represent me or the rest of the country...Hes an MEP...for the time being...and ill never ever get voted in to the UK parliament
Lol, in the same way people like you said Donald Trump would never get voted into being the American President, your arrogance is astonishing.
May I remind you that in the constituency seat of South Thanet where Farage stood as a candidate in the general election it later emerged in the news that the winning Tory candidate and the Tory party may have broken electoral rules on spending limits. There is still an ongoing police investigation into this in South Thanet and if found guilty the Tory candidate could be stripped of his seat in Parliament. There are real question marks that the tories cheated to win this seat and many other seats in a similar way at the general election. Nigel Farage came 2nd in this seat and should in my view get the seat by default if the Tory candidate is found guilty of breaking election rules.
Dare I mention straws? "Why is it that you automatically think Farage must be guilty then and the Tory in South Thanet must be innocent? At this time both are ongoing cases and we should await the results of police investigations (although I'm not aware Farage is being investigated by Police at this time, maybe you know different?) | |||
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"Farage has dismissed the House of Lords himself on more than one occasion, like many (me included) he thinks it is time it was abolished. Farage couldn't even win a seat at the general election.....he's that popular. I also think the House of Lords needs reform and should be more democratic but at this point in time it is what it is. Maybe Farage could help to change the House of Lords from within, as he managed to help get us out of the EU from within it as an MEP. You know there's a saying ....stop digging when your in a hole....i'll say this once more...Farage has no mandate to represent one person away from the brussels parliament....he certainly doesn't represent me or the rest of the country...Hes an MEP...for the time being...and ill never ever get voted in to the UK parliament
Lol, in the same way people like you said Donald Trump would never get voted into being the American President, your arrogance is astonishing.
May I remind you that in the constituency seat of South Thanet where Farage stood as a candidate in the general election it later emerged in the news that the winning Tory candidate and the Tory party may have broken electoral rules on spending limits. There is still an ongoing police investigation into this in South Thanet and if found guilty the Tory candidate could be stripped of his seat in Parliament. There are real question marks that the tories cheated to win this seat and many other seats in a similar way at the general election. Nigel Farage came 2nd in this seat and should in my view get the seat by default if the Tory candidate is found guilty of breaking election rules. "You know Centaur, it almost sounds as though what you are describing is misappropriation of funds.... What do you think should happen to people who misappropriate funds? | |||
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" He has no mandate to work for the BRITISH public...i never voted for him...and as far as i know hes not a member of parliament....the only mandate he has is to work in the EU parliament....so im not sure were your getting all this from about working for the BRITISH public
I'm not defending the fella, but he is an MEP for south east England. His mandate is to work for the constituents in that area in the European parliament.
Yep, and to do the job which those ukip voters in the south east elected him to do which is get Britain out of the EU. Nigel Farage has worked tirelessly over the last 20 years to get Britain out of this undemocratic, over bureaucratic, sclerotic, wretched EU project against all the odds he has achieved what he set out to do. Plus 4 million people voted ukip at the last general election, those 4 million ukip voters think Farage does a great job, no complaints here. Talk of him now getting a peerage to be in the house of Lords, if the house of Lords is to be a fair reflection of British society then we need some UKip representatives in the House of Lords. Nigel Farage would be a great start.
He has no mandate...oh and you failed to mention...he didn't win the seat he was fighting for in the last election....so no he doesn't have a mandate....and also remember...over 16 million voted against leaving...like i said Fargeism is an illness 4 million caught it...im sure in time they will find a cure
You also failed to mention 17 and half million people voted Leave in the referendum, which is 1 and half million more than your 16 million.
given his xenophobic and frankly disgusting poster I reckon most who voted to leave were more swayed by the likes of Boris than him..
after all on here its the case that most of the brexit contributors have at least looked at many of the issue's and not just some 'were being invaded by them' rubbish..
unless that was the sole issue.."I assume you are talking about the 'Breaking point" Leave.EU poster in the referendum? So your interpretation of that poster was "We're being invaded by them". My interpretation was different as I interpreted it as a complete failure of the EU to deal with the migrant crisis. Would you consider the EU handling of the migrant crisis to be a success then? | |||
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" He has no mandate to work for the BRITISH public...i never voted for him...and as far as i know hes not a member of parliament....the only mandate he has is to work in the EU parliament....so im not sure were your getting all this from about working for the BRITISH public
I'm not defending the fella, but he is an MEP for south east England. His mandate is to work for the constituents in that area in the European parliament.
Yep, and to do the job which those ukip voters in the south east elected him to do which is get Britain out of the EU. Nigel Farage has worked tirelessly over the last 20 years to get Britain out of this undemocratic, over bureaucratic, sclerotic, wretched EU project against all the odds he has achieved what he set out to do. Plus 4 million people voted ukip at the last general election, those 4 million ukip voters think Farage does a great job, no complaints here. Talk of him now getting a peerage to be in the house of Lords, if the house of Lords is to be a fair reflection of British society then we need some UKip representatives in the House of Lords. Nigel Farage would be a great start.
He has no mandate...oh and you failed to mention...he didn't win the seat he was fighting for in the last election....so no he doesn't have a mandate....and also remember...over 16 million voted against leaving...like i said Fargeism is an illness 4 million caught it...im sure in time they will find a cure
You also failed to mention 17 and half million people voted Leave in the referendum, which is 1 and half million more than your 16 million.
given his xenophobic and frankly disgusting poster I reckon most who voted to leave were more swayed by the likes of Boris than him..
after all on here its the case that most of the brexit contributors have at least looked at many of the issue's and not just some 'were being invaded by them' rubbish..
unless that was the sole issue..
I assume you are talking about the 'Breaking point" Leave.EU poster in the referendum? So your interpretation of that poster was "We're being invaded by them".
My interpretation was different as I interpreted it as a complete failure of the EU to deal with the migrant crisis. Would you consider the EU handling of the migrant crisis to be a success then? "Even though it say "we must break free and take control of our borders" at the bottom? Of course you did. | |||
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" He has no mandate to work for the BRITISH public...i never voted for him...and as far as i know hes not a member of parliament....the only mandate he has is to work in the EU parliament....so im not sure were your getting all this from about working for the BRITISH public
I'm not defending the fella, but he is an MEP for south east England. His mandate is to work for the constituents in that area in the European parliament.
Yep, and to do the job which those ukip voters in the south east elected him to do which is get Britain out of the EU. Nigel Farage has worked tirelessly over the last 20 years to get Britain out of this undemocratic, over bureaucratic, sclerotic, wretched EU project against all the odds he has achieved what he set out to do. Plus 4 million people voted ukip at the last general election, those 4 million ukip voters think Farage does a great job, no complaints here. Talk of him now getting a peerage to be in the house of Lords, if the house of Lords is to be a fair reflection of British society then we need some UKip representatives in the House of Lords. Nigel Farage would be a great start.
He has no mandate...oh and you failed to mention...he didn't win the seat he was fighting for in the last election....so no he doesn't have a mandate....and also remember...over 16 million voted against leaving...like i said Fargeism is an illness 4 million caught it...im sure in time they will find a cure
You also failed to mention 17 and half million people voted Leave in the referendum, which is 1 and half million more than your 16 million.
given his xenophobic and frankly disgusting poster I reckon most who voted to leave were more swayed by the likes of Boris than him..
after all on here its the case that most of the brexit contributors have at least looked at many of the issue's and not just some 'were being invaded by them' rubbish..
unless that was the sole issue..
I assume you are talking about the 'Breaking point" Leave.EU poster in the referendum? So your interpretation of that poster was "We're being invaded by them".
My interpretation was different as I interpreted it as a complete failure of the EU to deal with the migrant crisis. Would you consider the EU handling of the migrant crisis to be a success then? "then you are as ignorant as he was and is if you believe that only none white people have entered the EU.. it even had the one white face blocked to portray a blatant misrepresentation and appeal to the xenophobe's.. the poster does not prove success or failure as I see it.. | |||
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"Farage has dismissed the House of Lords himself on more than one occasion, like many (me included) he thinks it is time it was abolished. Farage couldn't even win a seat at the general election.....he's that popular. I also think the House of Lords needs reform and should be more democratic but at this point in time it is what it is. Maybe Farage could help to change the House of Lords from within, as he managed to help get us out of the EU from within it as an MEP. You know there's a saying ....stop digging when your in a hole....i'll say this once more...Farage has no mandate to represent one person away from the brussels parliament....he certainly doesn't represent me or the rest of the country...Hes an MEP...for the time being...and ill never ever get voted in to the UK parliament
Lol, in the same way people like you said Donald Trump would never get voted into being the American President, your arrogance is astonishing.
May I remind you that in the constituency seat of South Thanet where Farage stood as a candidate in the general election it later emerged in the news that the winning Tory candidate and the Tory party may have broken electoral rules on spending limits. There is still an ongoing police investigation into this in South Thanet and if found guilty the Tory candidate could be stripped of his seat in Parliament. There are real question marks that the tories cheated to win this seat and many other seats in a similar way at the general election. Nigel Farage came 2nd in this seat and should in my view get the seat by default if the Tory candidate is found guilty of breaking election rules.
You know Centaur, it almost sounds as though what you are describing is misappropriation of funds.... What do you think should happen to people who misappropriate funds? "As I just said in an earlier comment both are ongoing cases and we should await the results of police investigations, although I'm not aware Farage is being investigated by police? In the Tory case in South Thanet it was not taxpayers money it was Tory money but rules state there is a limit to how much you can spend fighting each seat in the general election. | |||
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" He has no mandate to work for the BRITISH public...i never voted for him...and as far as i know hes not a member of parliament....the only mandate he has is to work in the EU parliament....so im not sure were your getting all this from about working for the BRITISH public
I'm not defending the fella, but he is an MEP for south east England. His mandate is to work for the constituents in that area in the European parliament.
Yep, and to do the job which those ukip voters in the south east elected him to do which is get Britain out of the EU. Nigel Farage has worked tirelessly over the last 20 years to get Britain out of this undemocratic, over bureaucratic, sclerotic, wretched EU project against all the odds he has achieved what he set out to do. Plus 4 million people voted ukip at the last general election, those 4 million ukip voters think Farage does a great job, no complaints here. Talk of him now getting a peerage to be in the house of Lords, if the house of Lords is to be a fair reflection of British society then we need some UKip representatives in the House of Lords. Nigel Farage would be a great start.
He has no mandate...oh and you failed to mention...he didn't win the seat he was fighting for in the last election....so no he doesn't have a mandate....and also remember...over 16 million voted against leaving...like i said Fargeism is an illness 4 million caught it...im sure in time they will find a cure
You also failed to mention 17 and half million people voted Leave in the referendum, which is 1 and half million more than your 16 million.
given his xenophobic and frankly disgusting poster I reckon most who voted to leave were more swayed by the likes of Boris than him..
after all on here its the case that most of the brexit contributors have at least looked at many of the issue's and not just some 'were being invaded by them' rubbish..
unless that was the sole issue..
I assume you are talking about the 'Breaking point" Leave.EU poster in the referendum? So your interpretation of that poster was "We're being invaded by them".
My interpretation was different as I interpreted it as a complete failure of the EU to deal with the migrant crisis. Would you consider the EU handling of the migrant crisis to be a success then?
Even though it say "we must break free and take control of our borders" at the bottom? Of course you did. "Many countries in the EU lost control of their borders during the migrant crisis. How could you think they hadn't? If everything is hunky dory then why have many European countries erected fences and posted security guards on their borders? | |||
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"Farage has dismissed the House of Lords himself on more than one occasion, like many (me included) he thinks it is time it was abolished. Farage couldn't even win a seat at the general election.....he's that popular. I also think the House of Lords needs reform and should be more democratic but at this point in time it is what it is. Maybe Farage could help to change the House of Lords from within, as he managed to help get us out of the EU from within it as an MEP. You know there's a saying ....stop digging when your in a hole....i'll say this once more...Farage has no mandate to represent one person away from the brussels parliament....he certainly doesn't represent me or the rest of the country...Hes an MEP...for the time being...and ill never ever get voted in to the UK parliament
Lol, in the same way people like you said Donald Trump would never get voted into being the American President, your arrogance is astonishing.
May I remind you that in the constituency seat of South Thanet where Farage stood as a candidate in the general election it later emerged in the news that the winning Tory candidate and the Tory party may have broken electoral rules on spending limits. There is still an ongoing police investigation into this in South Thanet and if found guilty the Tory candidate could be stripped of his seat in Parliament. There are real question marks that the tories cheated to win this seat and many other seats in a similar way at the general election. Nigel Farage came 2nd in this seat and should in my view get the seat by default if the Tory candidate is found guilty of breaking election rules.
You know Centaur, it almost sounds as though what you are describing is misappropriation of funds.... What do you think should happen to people who misappropriate funds?
As I just said in an earlier comment both are ongoing cases and we should await the results of police investigations, although I'm not aware Farage is being investigated by police? In the Tory case in South Thanet it was not taxpayers money it was Tory money but rules state there is a limit to how much you can spend fighting each seat in the general election. "Farage's case has been investigated, the investigation has finished, and concluded that he misappropriated the funds. The police in the South Thanet case weren't able to find wrongdoing in their usual time frame, and had to ask a judge for more time. Don't get me wrong, if the Tories broke the rules then they should get the appropriate punishment. | |||
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" He has no mandate to work for the BRITISH public...i never voted for him...and as far as i know hes not a member of parliament....the only mandate he has is to work in the EU parliament....so im not sure were your getting all this from about working for the BRITISH public
I'm not defending the fella, but he is an MEP for south east England. His mandate is to work for the constituents in that area in the European parliament.
Yep, and to do the job which those ukip voters in the south east elected him to do which is get Britain out of the EU. Nigel Farage has worked tirelessly over the last 20 years to get Britain out of this undemocratic, over bureaucratic, sclerotic, wretched EU project against all the odds he has achieved what he set out to do. Plus 4 million people voted ukip at the last general election, those 4 million ukip voters think Farage does a great job, no complaints here. Talk of him now getting a peerage to be in the house of Lords, if the house of Lords is to be a fair reflection of British society then we need some UKip representatives in the House of Lords. Nigel Farage would be a great start.
He has no mandate...oh and you failed to mention...he didn't win the seat he was fighting for in the last election....so no he doesn't have a mandate....and also remember...over 16 million voted against leaving...like i said Fargeism is an illness 4 million caught it...im sure in time they will find a cure
You also failed to mention 17 and half million people voted Leave in the referendum, which is 1 and half million more than your 16 million.
given his xenophobic and frankly disgusting poster I reckon most who voted to leave were more swayed by the likes of Boris than him..
after all on here its the case that most of the brexit contributors have at least looked at many of the issue's and not just some 'were being invaded by them' rubbish..
unless that was the sole issue..
I assume you are talking about the 'Breaking point" Leave.EU poster in the referendum? So your interpretation of that poster was "We're being invaded by them".
My interpretation was different as I interpreted it as a complete failure of the EU to deal with the migrant crisis. Would you consider the EU handling of the migrant crisis to be a success then?
Even though it say "we must break free and take control of our borders" at the bottom? Of course you did.
Many countries in the EU lost control of their borders during the migrant crisis. How could you think they hadn't? If everything is hunky dory then why have many European countries erected fences and posted security guards on their borders? "But whats that got to do with us? They weren't at the British border. | |||
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"Farage has dismissed the House of Lords himself on more than one occasion, like many (me included) he thinks it is time it was abolished. Farage couldn't even win a seat at the general election.....he's that popular. I also think the House of Lords needs reform and should be more democratic but at this point in time it is what it is. Maybe Farage could help to change the House of Lords from within, as he managed to help get us out of the EU from within it as an MEP. You know there's a saying ....stop digging when your in a hole....i'll say this once more...Farage has no mandate to represent one person away from the brussels parliament....he certainly doesn't represent me or the rest of the country...Hes an MEP...for the time being...and ill never ever get voted in to the UK parliament
Lol, in the same way people like you said Donald Trump would never get voted into being the American President, your arrogance is astonishing.
May I remind you that in the constituency seat of South Thanet where Farage stood as a candidate in the general election it later emerged in the news that the winning Tory candidate and the Tory party may have broken electoral rules on spending limits. There is still an ongoing police investigation into this in South Thanet and if found guilty the Tory candidate could be stripped of his seat in Parliament. There are real question marks that the tories cheated to win this seat and many other seats in a similar way at the general election. Nigel Farage came 2nd in this seat and should in my view get the seat by default if the Tory candidate is found guilty of breaking election rules.
You know Centaur, it almost sounds as though what you are describing is misappropriation of funds.... What do you think should happen to people who misappropriate funds?
As I just said in an earlier comment both are ongoing cases and we should await the results of police investigations, although I'm not aware Farage is being investigated by police? In the Tory case in South Thanet it was not taxpayers money it was Tory money but rules state there is a limit to how much you can spend fighting each seat in the general election.
Farage's case has been investigated, the investigation has finished, and concluded that he misappropriated the funds. The police in the South Thanet case weren't able to find wrongdoing in their usual time frame, and had to ask a judge for more time.
Don't get me wrong, if the Tories broke the rules then they should get the appropriate punishment."Well that was a quick investigation, lol. Was it the EU who concluded this?
I saw Stephen Kinnock on sky news talking about getting the police involved, has that gone out the window now then, because we must all accept the EU ruling?
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" if the Tories broke the rules then they should get the appropriate punishment." this.. but even if there was a criminal case and a conviction then I can't see the result being overturned.. to try and prove in law that the extra money spent equated to actual votes cast for the Tory candidate in relation to what the majority is would be difficult if at all possible.. a smack on the wrists and a fine as with Labour will most likely be the outcome.. | |||
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"Farage has dismissed the House of Lords himself on more than one occasion, like many (me included) he thinks it is time it was abolished. Farage couldn't even win a seat at the general election.....he's that popular. I also think the House of Lords needs reform and should be more democratic but at this point in time it is what it is. Maybe Farage could help to change the House of Lords from within, as he managed to help get us out of the EU from within it as an MEP. You know there's a saying ....stop digging when your in a hole....i'll say this once more...Farage has no mandate to represent one person away from the brussels parliament....he certainly doesn't represent me or the rest of the country...Hes an MEP...for the time being...and ill never ever get voted in to the UK parliament
Lol, in the same way people like you said Donald Trump would never get voted into being the American President, your arrogance is astonishing.
May I remind you that in the constituency seat of South Thanet where Farage stood as a candidate in the general election it later emerged in the news that the winning Tory candidate and the Tory party may have broken electoral rules on spending limits. There is still an ongoing police investigation into this in South Thanet and if found guilty the Tory candidate could be stripped of his seat in Parliament. There are real question marks that the tories cheated to win this seat and many other seats in a similar way at the general election. Nigel Farage came 2nd in this seat and should in my view get the seat by default if the Tory candidate is found guilty of breaking election rules.
You know Centaur, it almost sounds as though what you are describing is misappropriation of funds.... What do you think should happen to people who misappropriate funds?
As I just said in an earlier comment both are ongoing cases and we should await the results of police investigations, although I'm not aware Farage is being investigated by police? In the Tory case in South Thanet it was not taxpayers money it was Tory money but rules state there is a limit to how much you can spend fighting each seat in the general election.
Farage's case has been investigated, the investigation has finished, and concluded that he misappropriated the funds. The police in the South Thanet case weren't able to find wrongdoing in their usual time frame, and had to ask a judge for more time.
Don't get me wrong, if the Tories broke the rules then they should get the appropriate punishment.
Well that was a quick investigation, lol. Was it the EU who concluded this?
I saw Stephen Kinnock on sky news talking about getting the police involved, has that gone out the window now then, because we must all accept the EU ruling?
Do ukip even get the chance to defend themselves in a court of law? "As you were told yesterday by Fabio, it was concluded by external auditors. Why do you say it was a quick investigation? They didn't start it yesterday, that was the completed investigation report that was leaked. | |||
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"Farage has dismissed the House of Lords himself on more than one occasion, like many (me included) he thinks it is time it was abolished. Farage couldn't even win a seat at the general election.....he's that popular. I also think the House of Lords needs reform and should be more democratic but at this point in time it is what it is. Maybe Farage could help to change the House of Lords from within, as he managed to help get us out of the EU from within it as an MEP. You know there's a saying ....stop digging when your in a hole....i'll say this once more...Farage has no mandate to represent one person away from the brussels parliament....he certainly doesn't represent me or the rest of the country...Hes an MEP...for the time being...and ill never ever get voted in to the UK parliament
Lol, in the same way people like you said Donald Trump would never get voted into being the American President, your arrogance is astonishing.
May I remind you that in the constituency seat of South Thanet where Farage stood as a candidate in the general election it later emerged in the news that the winning Tory candidate and the Tory party may have broken electoral rules on spending limits. There is still an ongoing police investigation into this in South Thanet and if found guilty the Tory candidate could be stripped of his seat in Parliament. There are real question marks that the tories cheated to win this seat and many other seats in a similar way at the general election. Nigel Farage came 2nd in this seat and should in my view get the seat by default if the Tory candidate is found guilty of breaking election rules.
You know Centaur, it almost sounds as though what you are describing is misappropriation of funds.... What do you think should happen to people who misappropriate funds?
As I just said in an earlier comment both are ongoing cases and we should await the results of police investigations, although I'm not aware Farage is being investigated by police? In the Tory case in South Thanet it was not taxpayers money it was Tory money but rules state there is a limit to how much you can spend fighting each seat in the general election.
Farage's case has been investigated, the investigation has finished, and concluded that he misappropriated the funds. The police in the South Thanet case weren't able to find wrongdoing in their usual time frame, and had to ask a judge for more time.
Don't get me wrong, if the Tories broke the rules then they should get the appropriate punishment.
Well that was a quick investigation, lol. Was it the EU who concluded this?
I saw Stephen Kinnock on sky news talking about getting the police involved, has that gone out the window now then, because we must all accept the EU ruling?
Do ukip even get the chance to defend themselves in a court of law?
As you were told yesterday by Fabio, it was concluded by external auditors.
Why do you say it was a quick investigation? They didn't start it yesterday, that was the completed investigation report that was leaked."........which ukip and Farage have not had a chance to defend themselves against. | |||
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"UKIP are going to be asked to pay back £150,000 of misappropriated funds from the EU that they spent, in part, trying to get Farage a seat in the house of commons. They complain about the EU gravy train, but they are the worst ones for it. Why is Farage still claiming an MEPs salary, if he is actually off galavanting around the US? Why is he on the CFP committee if he has only attending 1 meeting out of 40? Could you get away with that in your job? " Is this post not highly misleading. It is my understanding that the report was leaked. At this stage should we not be investigating who leaked the report and what their motives were in leaking a confidential report. It would be good to see them prosecuted for leaking confidential information. It is a bit pointless speculating on a confidential document . For what they are worth the European parliament authorities will make a ruling on Monday . It is says that the money MIGHT have to be repaid . I think that I would prefer to see the official report before making a post such as these . If all MPs were as dedicated and worked as hard as Nigel Farage the country would be a better place. Not many people have battled against all the odds to achieve what he has done . The report is simply a witchhunt . | |||
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"UKIP are going to be asked to pay back £150,000 of misappropriated funds from the EU that they spent, in part, trying to get Farage a seat in the house of commons. They complain about the EU gravy train, but they are the worst ones for it. Why is Farage still claiming an MEPs salary, if he is actually off galavanting around the US? Why is he on the CFP committee if he has only attending 1 meeting out of 40? Could you get away with that in your job? Is this post not highly misleading. It is my understanding that the report was leaked. At this stage should we not be investigating who leaked the report and what their motives were in leaking a confidential report. It would be good to see them prosecuted for leaking confidential information. It is a bit pointless speculating on a confidential document . For what they are worth the European parliament authorities will make a ruling on Monday . It is says that the money MIGHT have to be repaid . I think that I would prefer to see the official report before making a post such as these . If all MPs were as dedicated and worked as hard as Nigel Farage the country would be a better place. Not many people have battled against all the odds to achieve what he has done . The report is simply a witchhunt . " Well which one is it? Pointless to speculate on, or a witch hunt? First you say you want to see the report, but at the end you have given a judgement on a report you say you haven't seen. | |||
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"And Trump has just had to pay $25m for his fraud too. Classy guy. " corrupt to the core.. and so readily lauded by some.. it says something about people's morals or the state of politics that people will try and excuse his behaviour.. | |||
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"And Trump has just had to pay $25m for his fraud too. Classy guy. " I agree with some of what you say but it would be nice to see you cruise someone on the Left aswell ? | |||
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"Meant critisise someone on the left ." or just looks like Politician speak.
Very greasy bunch, rarely see one who I could respect. Jo Cox seemed exceptional, bless her, otherwise much of a muchness. | |||
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"And Trump has just had to pay $25m for his fraud too. Classy guy. " When you say fraud , what exactly did these relate to ? | |||
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"And Trump has just had to pay $25m for his fraud too. Classy guy. corrupt to the core.. and so readily lauded by some.. it says something about people's morals or the state of politics that people will try and excuse his behaviour.. " If he was that corrupt it is highly unlikely that the electorate in the USA would have elected him . As far as I am aware , he runs a very successful business . Another poster on this forum has said that his hotels are top class . ( in fact immaculate ) Maybe his attention to detail has paid dividends . Voters like people who achieve things in life and take a positive can do approach | |||
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"What I have trouble getting my head round is this narrative that everybody is more racist/xenophobic today than in the 70s?. I mean we must be right, we voted into the EU in the 70s, so we must have been far less racist xenophobic back then than today? Same in the states with trump.... Where's all this racism coming from?, how the hell have we become more xenophobic since having the ability to holiday all over the world, work all over the world, most people have family living all over these days, yet we've become more xenophobic somehow?. . . Before the banking crises I never heard racism and xenophobia mentioned on a daily basis.... Since the banking crises, it's never off the forums, newspapers, politics, TV.... That's the power that the establishment hold on a society, like the best magicians they have the ability to show you one hand that's holding the coin while the other hand is shoving all the cash in their pocket!. . What I have noticed over the last few years is every time the left raises it's head the liberal left drowns them in the bathtub, when Greece voted in the left the German liberal left strangled it, when corbyn got in, the liberal left Blairites tried everything to strangle him, when Bernie sanders got momentum the liberal left DNC party strangled him.... And they did that even though all the polls said sanders had a better chance beating trump than Hillary?. The problem is the liberal left moved to the centre to get the Mooney, Blair sold out to corporate banking and finance and multi nationals just like Clinton would have Obama did, bill Clinton did and they lost 30% of the downtrodden masses who voted in the process.... Having been lied to for over 40 years by every level of government they're voting in the buffoon? Boris for mayor, trump for president, brexit... And like any good virus it's going to spread until somebody, fucking anybody!! makes the 0.1% fucking pay..... And don't for a minute think the 0.1% aren't just as capable as the nitwits of blowing the whole system up" It's far from over, in fact I think it's only just begun. Expect there to be major upsets in the referendum in Italy, and the elections in Germany and France in the coming months. | |||
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"And Trump has just had to pay $25m for his fraud too. Classy guy. I agree with some of what you say but it would be nice to see you cruise someone on the Left aswell ? " I have been very critical of Corbyn in the past, this forum is very much focused on current affairs and perhaps its just in the time you have been on the forum there hasn't been as much about the left. | |||
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"And Trump has just had to pay $25m for his fraud too. Classy guy. corrupt to the core.. and so readily lauded by some.. it says something about people's morals or the state of politics that people will try and excuse his behaviour.. If he was that corrupt it is highly unlikely that the electorate in the USA would have elected him . As far as I am aware , he runs a very successful business . Another poster on this forum has said that his hotels are top class . ( in fact immaculate ) Maybe his attention to detail has paid dividends . Voters like people who achieve things in life and take a positive can do approach " The $25m relates to the fraud that was his failed (not successful) Trump University. Trump has been bankrupt multiple times, made such big losses that he hasn't paid tax in nearly 20 years. | |||
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"The only wrong doing he is guilty of is working too hard for the British public. I going to say it again, even though others have, he's not working for the british public thank you. 52% of us he is and in time I sincerely believe most will look back and thank him, I know may well disagree and thats fine No, you are wrong. It's got nothing to do with leave or remain, Farage does not work for the british public. End of. His 'job' is to represent the people of the south east in the European Parliament, if he's not doing that (and their thoughts, or yours for that matter, as to whether he should be are irrelevant) then he's not doing his job. Until someone with the authority to do so appoints him to work for the british people then he is not, he's on a self-appointed jolly. We could, of course, examine the motives for said jolly but that would, without a doubt, open up a whole new can of worms." Well if I'm not mistaken he is still acting leader of the political party that won most seats in the last euro elections and millions of votes nationwide in the last general election so sorry you are wrong he does represent many uk voters | |||
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And they call that Democracy !
Yes I did vote U K I P
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"What I have trouble getting my head round is this narrative that everybody is more racist/xenophobic today than in the 70s?. I mean we must be right, we voted into the EU in the 70s, so we must have been far less racist xenophobic back then than today? Same in the states with trump.... Where's all this racism coming from?, how the hell have we become more xenophobic since having the ability to holiday all over the world, work all over the world, most people have family living all over these days, yet we've become more xenophobic somehow?. . . Before the banking crises I never heard racism and xenophobia mentioned on a daily basis.... Since the banking crises, it's never off the forums, newspapers, politics, TV.... That's the power that the establishment hold on a society, like the best magicians they have the ability to show you one hand that's holding the coin while the other hand is shoving all the cash in their pocket!. . What I have noticed over the last few years is every time the left raises it's head the liberal left drowns them in the bathtub, when Greece voted in the left the German liberal left strangled it, when corbyn got in, the liberal left Blairites tried everything to strangle him, when Bernie sanders got momentum the liberal left DNC party strangled him.... And they did that even though all the polls said sanders had a better chance beating trump than Hillary?. The problem is the liberal left moved to the centre to get the Mooney, Blair sold out to corporate banking and finance and multi nationals just like Clinton would have Obama did, bill Clinton did and they lost 30% of the downtrodden masses who voted in the process.... Having been lied to for over 40 years by every level of government they're voting in the buffoon? Boris for mayor, trump for president, brexit... And like any good virus it's going to spread until somebody, fucking anybody!! makes the 0.1% fucking pay..... And don't for a minute think the 0.1% aren't just as capable as the nitwits of blowing the whole system up It's far from over, in fact I think it's only just begun. Expect there to be major upsets in the referendum in Italy, and the elections in Germany and France in the coming months. " . There's a certain chap on here who lives in France who's been throwing stones from his greenhouse...... President Holland's approval rating is what....10% that's lower than trumpers and George bush's, And Mrs le Penn is polling 40% ish... The only thing that's surprised me is how quickly the establishment has lost control....I fully expect Frances to elect the national front now, Germany might fair better but they'll be sharing power with the AFD, the Swedish democrats are already polling 30% Spain can't form a government as it's split... The only bit of political stability in the EU is in eastern Europe which funnily enough already has right wing governments that are fully on board with trump's analysis on Muslims... Oh yeah we're happy to slag trump off while not mentioning the same policy exists in the EU!!!!. Ahh neo liberals your going to fuck us all in the ass you bunch of corporate money grabbing fuckers | |||
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" It's far from over, in fact I think it's only just begun. Expect there to be major upsets in the referendum in Italy, and the elections in Germany and France in the coming months. . There's a certain chap on here who lives in France who's been throwing stones from his greenhouse...... President Holland's approval rating is what....10% that's lower than trumpers and George bush's, And Mrs le Penn is polling 40% ish... The only thing that's surprised me is how quickly the establishment has lost control....I fully expect Frances to elect the national front now, Germany might fair better but they'll be sharing power with the AFD, the Swedish democrats are already polling 30% Spain can't form a government as it's split... The only bit of political stability in the EU is in eastern Europe which funnily enough already has right wing governments that are fully on board with trump's analysis on Muslims... Oh yeah we're happy to slag trump off while not mentioning the same policy exists in the EU!!!!. Ahh neo liberals your going to fuck us all in the ass you bunch of corporate money grabbing fuckers" No thats totally wrong we all need to do as we are told by the highly educated,they know whats best,honest gov | |||
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"And Trump has just had to pay $25m for his fraud too. Classy guy. corrupt to the core.. and so readily lauded by some.. it says something about people's morals or the state of politics that people will try and excuse his behaviour.. If he was that corrupt it is highly unlikely that the electorate in the USA would have elected him . As far as I am aware , he runs a very successful business . Another poster on this forum has said that his hotels are top class . ( in fact immaculate ) Maybe his attention to detail has paid dividends . Voters like people who achieve things in life and take a positive can do approach The $25m relates to the fraud that was his failed (not successful) Trump University. Trump has been bankrupt multiple times, made such big losses that he hasn't paid tax in nearly 20 years." When has Trump ever been bankrupt? | |||
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"And Trump has just had to pay $25m for his fraud too. Classy guy. corrupt to the core.. and so readily lauded by some.. it says something about people's morals or the state of politics that people will try and excuse his behaviour.. If he was that corrupt it is highly unlikely that the electorate in the USA would have elected him . As far as I am aware , he runs a very successful business . Another poster on this forum has said that his hotels are top class . ( in fact immaculate ) Maybe his attention to detail has paid dividends . Voters like people who achieve things in life and take a positive can do approach " it was fraudulent in its intent, broke state laws etc. go look instead of burying your head in the sand.. he settled to avoid being convicted even someone with their I love him he's so successful myopia will conclude in this he was corrupt.. | |||
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"And Trump has just had to pay $25m for his fraud too. Classy guy. corrupt to the core.. and so readily lauded by some.. it says something about people's morals or the state of politics that people will try and excuse his behaviour.. If he was that corrupt it is highly unlikely that the electorate in the USA would have elected him . As far as I am aware , he runs a very successful business . Another poster on this forum has said that his hotels are top class . ( in fact immaculate ) Maybe his attention to detail has paid dividends . Voters like people who achieve things in life and take a positive can do approach The $25m relates to the fraud that was his failed (not successful) Trump University. Trump has been bankrupt multiple times, made such big losses that he hasn't paid tax in nearly 20 years. When has Trump ever been bankrupt?" That is what I was wondering and I assume that the actions are against his company , not him personally . A tax adjusted loss is very different to an accounting loss. It would appear that he has organised his affairs to pay minimal tax . This is why most people do. | |||
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"And Trump has just had to pay $25m for his fraud too. Classy guy. corrupt to the core.. and so readily lauded by some.. it says something about people's morals or the state of politics that people will try and excuse his behaviour.. If he was that corrupt it is highly unlikely that the electorate in the USA would have elected him . As far as I am aware , he runs a very successful business . Another poster on this forum has said that his hotels are top class . ( in fact immaculate ) Maybe his attention to detail has paid dividends . Voters like people who achieve things in life and take a positive can do approach it was fraudulent in its intent, broke state laws etc. go look instead of burying your head in the sand.. he settled to avoid being convicted even someone with their I love him he's so successful myopia will conclude in this he was corrupt.." I am not quite sure what case you are referring to but the one that I saw reported was settled without liability or any admission of guilt . It would appear that students booked courses that advised on how to make money but claimed that the course did not deliver what was expected . For some bizarre reason you seem to think that anyone who disagrees with you suffers from Myopia and is burying their head in the sand . People are entitled to arrive at a different conclusion to yours when they analyse the facts . | |||
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"And Trump has just had to pay $25m for his fraud too. Classy guy. corrupt to the core.. and so readily lauded by some.. it says something about people's morals or the state of politics that people will try and excuse his behaviour.. If he was that corrupt it is highly unlikely that the electorate in the USA would have elected him . As far as I am aware , he runs a very successful business . Another poster on this forum has said that his hotels are top class . ( in fact immaculate ) Maybe his attention to detail has paid dividends . Voters like people who achieve things in life and take a positive can do approach The $25m relates to the fraud that was his failed (not successful) Trump University. Trump has been bankrupt multiple times, made such big losses that he hasn't paid tax in nearly 20 years." If he was made bankrupt , why are so many companies keen to do businness with in . When you say losses , are you referring to tax losses or accounting losses? The more important issue would be do the companies generate a positive cash flow ? | |||
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"And Trump has just had to pay $25m for his fraud too. Classy guy. corrupt to the core.. and so readily lauded by some.. it says something about people's morals or the state of politics that people will try and excuse his behaviour.. If he was that corrupt it is highly unlikely that the electorate in the USA would have elected him . As far as I am aware , he runs a very successful business . Another poster on this forum has said that his hotels are top class . ( in fact immaculate ) Maybe his attention to detail has paid dividends . Voters like people who achieve things in life and take a positive can do approach it was fraudulent in its intent, broke state laws etc. go look instead of burying your head in the sand.. he settled to avoid being convicted even someone with their I love him he's so successful myopia will conclude in this he was corrupt.. I am not quite sure what case you are referring to but the one that I saw reported was settled without liability or any admission of guilt . It would appear that students booked courses that advised on how to make money but claimed that the course did not deliver what was expected . For some bizarre reason you seem to think that anyone who disagrees with you suffers from Myopia and is burying their head in the sand . People are entitled to arrive at a different conclusion to yours when they analyse the facts . " you are myopic to the facts in this so its a fair point to make.. and your wrong in saying I think anyone who disagrees etc, most sensible people taking an objective view can conclude that in this case he has settled to the tune of $25 million to avoid an imminent trial.. an innocent very rich man does not settle unless he has been told you will lose this.. common sense.. and you know full well which case this refers to, the other cases have yet to be settled or go to court.. | |||
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"He may be crooked ? But arnt they all ? Not saying it's right ! But he's in charge now , give him a chance !" I think most people realise Trump has his faults, but even with all those faults exposed to the full people still chose him over Hillary. Speaks volumes about what people think of Hillary Clinton if she can't beat Trump. | |||
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"He may be crooked ? But arnt they all ? Not saying it's right ! But he's in charge now , give him a chance ! I think most people realise Trump has his faults, but even with all those faults exposed to the full people still chose him over Hillary. Speaks volumes about what people think of Hillary Clinton if she can't beat Trump. " its a very valid point, that people are so desperate for a change in their perception of the status quo and how it has affected their lives, jobs and prospects etc that they chose him over albeit a very poor opponent with all his issue's that to many of them were wrong.. tack on brexit and the rise in populist parties in the EU and we live in interesting times.. but it will probably still be the same for a lot of people in 4 years time, its a bigger issue than national politics.. | |||
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"And Trump has just had to pay $25m for his fraud too. Classy guy. corrupt to the core.. and so readily lauded by some.. it says something about people's morals or the state of politics that people will try and excuse his behaviour.. If he was that corrupt it is highly unlikely that the electorate in the USA would have elected him . As far as I am aware , he runs a very successful business . Another poster on this forum has said that his hotels are top class . ( in fact immaculate ) Maybe his attention to detail has paid dividends . Voters like people who achieve things in life and take a positive can do approach The $25m relates to the fraud that was his failed (not successful) Trump University. Trump has been bankrupt multiple times, made such big losses that he hasn't paid tax in nearly 20 years. When has Trump ever been bankrupt?" 1991, 1992, 2004 and 2009 | |||
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"And Trump has just had to pay $25m for his fraud too. Classy guy. corrupt to the core.. and so readily lauded by some.. it says something about people's morals or the state of politics that people will try and excuse his behaviour.. If he was that corrupt it is highly unlikely that the electorate in the USA would have elected him . As far as I am aware , he runs a very successful business . Another poster on this forum has said that his hotels are top class . ( in fact immaculate ) Maybe his attention to detail has paid dividends . Voters like people who achieve things in life and take a positive can do approach it was fraudulent in its intent, broke state laws etc. go look instead of burying your head in the sand.. he settled to avoid being convicted even someone with their I love him he's so successful myopia will conclude in this he was corrupt.. I am not quite sure what case you are referring to but the one that I saw reported was settled without liability or any admission of guilt . It would appear that students booked courses that advised on how to make money but claimed that the course did not deliver what was expected . For some bizarre reason you seem to think that anyone who disagrees with you suffers from Myopia and is burying their head in the sand . People are entitled to arrive at a different conclusion to yours when they analyse the facts . you are myopic to the facts in this so its a fair point to make.. and your wrong in saying I think anyone who disagrees etc, most sensible people taking an objective view can conclude that in this case he has settled to the tune of $25 million to avoid an imminent trial.. an innocent very rich man does not settle unless he has been told you will lose this.. common sense.. and you know full well which case this refers to, the other cases have yet to be settled or go to court.." Assuming we are referring to the same case , from what I saw on TV students appear to have claimed that their courses did not deliver what was promised . The classes appear to have been on how to make money . I am assuming it was a civil as opposed to a criminal case . A settlement without liability means exactly that . The more important issue might be the basis on which the plaintiffs thought that they had a valid claim . I do not know the basis of their claim and do not propose to spend any time researching it as the matter is now settled . | |||
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"He may be crooked ? But arnt they all ? Not saying it's right ! But he's in charge now , give him a chance ! I think most people realise Trump has his faults, but even with all those faults exposed to the full people still chose him over Hillary. Speaks volumes about what people think of Hillary Clinton if she can't beat Trump. " . She couldn't even get 30% of Hispanics to vote for her ffs, let alone women Jesus these two should have been nailed on?. Trump one despite both the democrats fighting him AND the republicans, in fact the more they both had a go at him the stronger his support became..... If people actually look behind the inflammatory headlines of racism and xenophobia you will find there's the deeper problem of economics and disparity!... The fascinating thing is if you actually look at the message economically between the right and the left you'll see there actually very very similar, that's across the board from trump to the true finns to Bernie sanders to golden dawn to the NF of France!. There's been a large section of society that's been left to rot in housing estates all over the western world, given benefits and pushed out of sight out of mind... All was well until we needed austerity, then there's a large section of manual workers who've been told to compete with eastern Europeans or Mexicans and most did just that, driving down the wages, then there's a section of lower middle class who's jobs have been outsourced to eastern Europe, India, and China, they've seen their pensions go south along with any job security, unions have been striped of any actual clout for decades while globalisation has left them impotent anyhow, (hey you don't like it will up and move the factory to India Mexico China). Every trade deal the west has done has decimated they're own industrial base while at the same time throwing open borders for endless immigration, this is true for nearly every western country bar Japan!!. Capitalism is eating itself alive from decades of deregulation forced about from corporate bribery and political manipulation. When inflation was high, disparity was low, it's the great equaliser between the debtors and the creditors, debtors live on their wage with no capital earning for them, prices go up alot but wages do also in real terms they stay the same, creditors however see inflation biting away at their return on debt, when they get their money back the inflation has in effect brought it's worth down... The whole globalisation idea was brought about by the creditors to drive down inflation to zero.... And they've done exactly what they say out to achieve..... Everybody else got poorer in real terms and that 0.1% got massively wealthier!. There's three things you need to know about the elites. 1 they won't volunteer to return the balance. 2 they know the end point is people will come for them 3 there not stupid, they know number 2 so there already working on government control.... Welcome to totalitarianism | |||
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"And Trump has just had to pay $25m for his fraud too. Classy guy. corrupt to the core.. and so readily lauded by some.. it says something about people's morals or the state of politics that people will try and excuse his behaviour.. If he was that corrupt it is highly unlikely that the electorate in the USA would have elected him . As far as I am aware , he runs a very successful business . Another poster on this forum has said that his hotels are top class . ( in fact immaculate ) Maybe his attention to detail has paid dividends . Voters like people who achieve things in life and take a positive can do approach The $25m relates to the fraud that was his failed (not successful) Trump University. Trump has been bankrupt multiple times, made such big losses that he hasn't paid tax in nearly 20 years. When has Trump ever been bankrupt? 1991, 1992, 2004 and 2009" Was that actually Trump, or his companies? | |||
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