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"Will they all be dressed in brown?" Don't be silly! | |||
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"So many 'nasty groups' will crawl out from under their stones and take part, it will start to show things in a different light when ultra right gangs become involved, Farage would be playing right into the hands of those that painted him as a racist, rightly or wrongly so..... If he's got any sense at all he will remain in his villa in Portugal on the day of the March." So called "far right" groups would refuse to march with Nige, because he banned them from joining UKIP, plus his party have fundamental differences to theirs. You might see some people waving our national flag, but they won't be members of nationalist groups, just patriotic people standing up for our rights. | |||
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"So many 'nasty groups' will crawl out from under their stones and take part, it will start to show things in a different light when ultra right gangs become involved, Farage would be playing right into the hands of those that painted him as a racist, rightly or wrongly so..... If he's got any sense at all he will remain in his villa in Portugal on the day of the March. So called "far right" groups would refuse to march with Nige, because he banned them from joining UKIP, plus his party have fundamental differences to theirs. You might see some people waving our national flag, but they won't be members of nationalist groups, just patriotic people standing up for our rights." Maybe but the far left will love this sand use it as an excuse for a tear up  | |||
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"Will they all be dressed in brown?" with polished boots.. | |||
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"Nigel Farage is now to lead a 100,000 person march on the Supreme Court to protest against parliamentary sovereignty. You couldn't make this shit up now. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/11/06/nigel-farage-to-lead-100000-strong-march-on-supreme-court-on-day/ He has spun the public around and around so much they have no idea which way they are facing anymore or what they are meant to be believing in." maybe they could chant as they march.. 'what do we want? an end to Parliamentary sovereignty' why did we vote for it err.. | |||
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"The far left are a bunch of wimps, who's idea of a tear up is to hide behind police lines lisping silly slogans. It could get dangerous if anarchist groups get involved though. Although they picked on the wrong group recently at a motorway service station. En rout to Dover, they saw a group of middle aged bald men in the car park and charged at them. Unfortunately for them it wasn't a group of nationalists they were attacking. It was a reunion of a certain football hooligan firm, who although outnumbered gave them a bloody good hiding. Talk about karma! "Ha ha  love that | |||
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"The far left are a bunch of wimps, who's idea of a tear up is to hide behind police lines lisping silly slogans. It could get dangerous if anarchist groups get involved though. Although they picked on the wrong group recently at a motorway service station. En rout to Dover, they saw a group of middle aged bald men in the car park and charged at them. Unfortunately for them it wasn't a group of nationalists they were attacking. It was a reunion of a certain football hooligan firm, who although outnumbered gave them a bloody good hiding. Talk about karma! "Just when you thought it couldn't reach any lower.... | |||
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"The far left are a bunch of wimps, who's idea of a tear up is to hide behind police lines lisping silly slogans. It could get dangerous if anarchist groups get involved though. Although they picked on the wrong group recently at a motorway service station. En rout to Dover, they saw a group of middle aged bald men in the car park and charged at them. Unfortunately for them it wasn't a group of nationalists they were attacking. It was a reunion of a certain football hooligan firm, who although outnumbered gave them a bloody good hiding. Talk about karma!
Just when you thought it couldn't reach any lower...."This actually happened, but methinks some are just so shit scared of the truth. | |||
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"The far left are a bunch of wimps, who's idea of a tear up is to hide behind police lines lisping silly slogans. It could get dangerous if anarchist groups get involved though. Although they picked on the wrong group recently at a motorway service station. En rout to Dover, they saw a group of middle aged bald men in the car park and charged at them. Unfortunately for them it wasn't a group of nationalists they were attacking. It was a reunion of a certain football hooligan firm, who although outnumbered gave them a bloody good hiding. Talk about karma! "fantasy forum me thinks.. | |||
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"It is no fantasy, it happened in January at a service station in January at junction 8 services on the M20. The press reported it as a clash between facists and anti facists. But the bit they failed to mention is that by charging at the head hunters reunion party, the antis got themselves battered. They were hiding in their coaches as they were trashed, windows smashed the lot. I spoke to a mate of mine who works there, he said that people were getting business cards stapled to their heads. He said he and other staff members had bolted the doors shut for their own safety." ahhh right, so these headhunters/right wingers who perpetrate these abominable acts of violent crime are the people you want to lethally inject as expressed in another thread ..... seems a legit way of ridding the country of violent right wing extremist kipturds | |||
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"Nigel Farage is now to lead a 100,000 person march on the Supreme Court to protest against parliamentary sovereignty. You couldn't make this shit up now" So that's what it is!? You're right...this is a good example of "making shit up". | |||
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"Most football lads arnt right wing or left wing !" Exactly, had they not been attacked they wouldn't have got involved. But they had been drinking and were subjected to an attempted charge down. What a shame! | |||
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"Most football lads arnt right wing or left wing ! Exactly, had they not been attacked they wouldn't have got involved. But they had been drinking and were subjected to an attempted charge down. What a shame! "First I've heard of this wish I'd seen it lol
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"It is no fantasy, it happened in January at a service station in January at junction 8 services on the M20. The press reported it as a clash between facists and anti facists. But the bit they failed to mention is that by charging at the head hunters reunion party, the antis got themselves battered. They were hiding in their coaches as they were trashed, windows smashed the lot. I spoke to a mate of mine who works there, he said that people were getting business cards stapled to their heads. He said he and other staff members had bolted the doors shut for their own safety. ahhh right, so these headhunters/right wingers who perpetrate these abominable acts of violent crime are the people you want to lethally inject as expressed in another thread ..... seems a legit way of ridding the country of violent right wing extremist kipturds" Oh how to twist words, yet not with much intellect. The headhunters are not right wing anymore than anyone else, this is not the 1980's. They were in the wrong place at the time, just on the way back from a piss up / reunion. It was nothing to do with politics, but anarchists / left wing extremists chose to attack them. As for my other thread, I only indicated that murderers, rapists, and terrorists face the death penalty. | |||
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"Most football lads arnt right wing or left wing ! Exactly, had they not been attacked they wouldn't have got involved. But they had been drinking and were subjected to an attempted charge down. What a shame!
First I've heard of this wish I'd seen it lol
And yes I'm a footie lad "Me too, and we are top of league one! Up the Iron! | |||
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"It is no fantasy, it happened in January at a service station in January at junction 8 services on the M20. The press reported it as a clash between facists and anti facists. But the bit they failed to mention is that by charging at the head hunters reunion party, the antis got themselves battered. They were hiding in their coaches as they were trashed, windows smashed the lot. I spoke to a mate of mine who works there, he said that people were getting business cards stapled to their heads. He said he and other staff members had bolted the doors shut for their own safety. ahhh right, so these headhunters/right wingers who perpetrate these abominable acts of violent crime are the people you want to lethally inject as expressed in another thread ..... seems a legit way of ridding the country of violent right wing extremist kipturds Oh how to twist words, yet not with much intellect. The headhunters are not right wing anymore than anyone else, this is not the 1980's. They were in the wrong place at the time, just on the way back from a piss up / reunion. It was nothing to do with politics, but anarchists / left wing extremists chose to attack them. As for my other thread, I only indicated that murderers, rapists, and terrorists face the death penalty." if your talking about the incident in maidstone last january it wasn't chelsea supporters and they weren't charged and you don't have a friend who works at those services, that's just you making shit up | |||
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"Most football lads arnt right wing or left wing ! Exactly, had they not been attacked they wouldn't have got involved. But they had been drinking and were subjected to an attempted charge down. What a shame!
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Up the Iron!"Ha ha you Scunthorpe ? I've had some fun Thier | |||
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"So many 'nasty groups' will crawl out from under their stones and take part, it will start to show things in a different light when ultra right gangs become involved, Farage would be playing right into the hands of those that painted him as a racist, rightly or wrongly so..... If he's got any sense at all he will remain in his villa in Portugal on the day of the March. So called "far right" groups would refuse to march with Nige, because he banned them from joining UKIP, plus his party have fundamental differences to theirs. You might see some people waving our national flag, but they won't be members of nationalist groups, just patriotic people standing up for our rights." But Farage is a libertarian and this isn't a UKIP event, it's a public even, therefore him and UKIP have no ability to regulate a hundred or so far righters from coming in and physically clashing horns with anyone on or against the march. | |||
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"It is no fantasy, it happened in January at a service station in January at junction 8 services on the M20. The press reported it as a clash between facists and anti facists. But the bit they failed to mention is that by charging at the head hunters reunion party, the antis got themselves battered. They were hiding in their coaches as they were trashed, windows smashed the lot. I spoke to a mate of mine who works there, he said that people were getting business cards stapled to their heads. He said he and other staff members had bolted the doors shut for their own safety. ahhh right, so these headhunters/right wingers who perpetrate these abominable acts of violent crime are the people you want to lethally inject as expressed in another thread ..... seems a legit way of ridding the country of violent right wing extremist kipturds Oh how to twist words, yet not with much intellect. The headhunters are not right wing anymore than anyone else, this is not the 1980's. They were in the wrong place at the time, just on the way back from a piss up / reunion. It was nothing to do with politics, but anarchists / left wing extremists chose to attack them. As for my other thread, I only indicated that murderers, rapists, and terrorists face the death penalty. if your talking about the incident in maidstone last january it wasn't chelsea supporters and they weren't charged and you don't have a friend who works at those services, that's just you making shit up" I work in the same industry, and I do have a friend at the service station. Boring I know but we do meet and talk shop on our travels, then add on Facebook etc. None of the footie boys got arrested, because the police didn't fancy it. | |||
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"So many 'nasty groups' will crawl out from under their stones and take part, it will start to show things in a different light when ultra right gangs become involved, Farage would be playing right into the hands of those that painted him as a racist, rightly or wrongly so..... If he's got any sense at all he will remain in his villa in Portugal on the day of the March. So called "far right" groups would refuse to march with Nige, because he banned them from joining UKIP, plus his party have fundamental differences to theirs. You might see some people waving our national flag, but they won't be members of nationalist groups, just patriotic people standing up for our rights. But Farage is a libertarian and this isn't a UKIP event, it's a public even, therefore him and UKIP have no ability to regulate a hundred or so far righters from coming in and physically clashing horns with anyone on or against the march. " Exactly and the he would get the blame ! It isn't a good idea ! | |||
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"It is no fantasy, it happened in January at a service station in January at junction 8 services on the M20. The press reported it as a clash between facists and anti facists. But the bit they failed to mention is that by charging at the head hunters reunion party, the antis got themselves battered. They were hiding in their coaches as they were trashed, windows smashed the lot. I spoke to a mate of mine who works there, he said that people were getting business cards stapled to their heads. He said he and other staff members had bolted the doors shut for their own safety. ahhh right, so these headhunters/right wingers who perpetrate these abominable acts of violent crime are the people you want to lethally inject as expressed in another thread ..... seems a legit way of ridding the country of violent right wing extremist kipturds Oh how to twist words, yet not with much intellect. The headhunters are not right wing anymore than anyone else, this is not the 1980's. They were in the wrong place at the time, just on the way back from a piss up / reunion. It was nothing to do with politics, but anarchists / left wing extremists chose to attack them. As for my other thread, I only indicated that murderers, rapists, and terrorists face the death penalty. if your talking about the incident in maidstone last january it wasn't chelsea supporters and they weren't charged and you don't have a friend who works at those services, that's just you making shit up I work in the same industry, and I do have a friend at the service station. Boring I know but we do meet and talk shop on our travels, then add on Facebook etc. None of the footie boys got arrested, because the police didn't fancy it. " they arrested a coach load of combat 18 two miles from the scene .... not footy boys | |||
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"So many 'nasty groups' will crawl out from under their stones and take part, it will start to show things in a different light when ultra right gangs become involved, Farage would be playing right into the hands of those that painted him as a racist, rightly or wrongly so..... If he's got any sense at all he will remain in his villa in Portugal on the day of the March. So called "far right" groups would refuse to march with Nige, because he banned them from joining UKIP, plus his party have fundamental differences to theirs. You might see some people waving our national flag, but they won't be members of nationalist groups, just patriotic people standing up for our rights. But Farage is a libertarian and this isn't a UKIP event, it's a public even, therefore him and UKIP have no ability to regulate a hundred or so far righters from coming in and physically clashing horns with anyone on or against the march. Exactly and the he would get the blame ! It isn't a good idea ! " Exactly. I on the whole don't like farage, I don't like UKIP and I think the way we decided to leave the EU was the wrong way about it, but I do think that this march will lead to him being painted as a far right inciter or leader which is not what he is. If he is labelled as such then you are likely to get people digging a trench around him and UKIP and they will just drift towards BNP style party policies. | |||
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"So many 'nasty groups' will crawl out from under their stones and take part, it will start to show things in a different light when ultra right gangs become involved, Farage would be playing right into the hands of those that painted him as a racist, rightly or wrongly so..... If he's got any sense at all he will remain in his villa in Portugal on the day of the March. So called "far right" groups would refuse to march with Nige, because he banned them from joining UKIP, plus his party have fundamental differences to theirs. You might see some people waving our national flag, but they won't be members of nationalist groups, just patriotic people standing up for our rights. But Farage is a libertarian and this isn't a UKIP event, it's a public even, therefore him and UKIP have no ability to regulate a hundred or so far righters from coming in and physically clashing horns with anyone on or against the march. Exactly and the he would get the blame ! It isn't a good idea ! Exactly. I on the whole don't like farage, I don't like UKIP and I think the way we decided to leave the EU was the wrong way about it, but I do think that this march will lead to him being painted as a far right inciter or leader which is not what he is. If he is labelled as such then you are likely to get people digging a trench around him and UKIP and they will just drift towards BNP style party policies." One of the most sensible posts I've seen on here ! Also the fat left will look to stir it ! | |||
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"It is no fantasy, it happened in January at a service station in January at junction 8 services on the M20. The press reported it as a clash between facists and anti facists. But the bit they failed to mention is that by charging at the head hunters reunion party, the antis got themselves battered. They were hiding in their coaches as they were trashed, windows smashed the lot. I spoke to a mate of mine who works there, he said that people were getting business cards stapled to their heads. He said he and other staff members had bolted the doors shut for their own safety. ahhh right, so these headhunters/right wingers who perpetrate these abominable acts of violent crime are the people you want to lethally inject as expressed in another thread ..... seems a legit way of ridding the country of violent right wing extremist kipturds Oh how to twist words, yet not with much intellect. The headhunters are not right wing anymore than anyone else, this is not the 1980's. They were in the wrong place at the time, just on the way back from a piss up / reunion. It was nothing to do with politics, but anarchists / left wing extremists chose to attack them. As for my other thread, I only indicated that murderers, rapists, and terrorists face the death penalty. if your talking about the incident in maidstone last january it wasn't chelsea supporters and they weren't charged and you don't have a friend who works at those services, that's just you making shit up I work in the same industry, and I do have a friend at the service station. Boring I know but we do meet and talk shop on our travels, then add on Facebook etc. None of the footie boys got arrested, because the police didn't fancy it. they arrested a coach load of combat 18 two miles from the scene .... not footy boys" The footie lads were heading in the opposite direction and therefore didn't get arrested. Simply because they were not heading to Dover. Had they been it would maybe have been different. As for the "C18" lads, they were just NF with a few C18 flags they had bought online. In other words posers. | |||
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"So many 'nasty groups' will crawl out from under their stones and take part, it will start to show things in a different light when ultra right gangs become involved, Farage would be playing right into the hands of those that painted him as a racist, rightly or wrongly so..... If he's got any sense at all he will remain in his villa in Portugal on the day of the March. So called "far right" groups would refuse to march with Nige, because he banned them from joining UKIP, plus his party have fundamental differences to theirs. You might see some people waving our national flag, but they won't be members of nationalist groups, just patriotic people standing up for our rights." Your rights to what? Not have decisions made by British judges in British courts? Not have fundamental changes to British laws debated in parliament? | |||
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" I spoke to a mate of mine who works there, he said that people were getting business cards stapled to their heads. quote] Pardon my ignorance but is that slang or do ex footie hooligans really carry staplers around in their pockets?" Apparently they were intending to staple their cards to lamp posts etc... | |||
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"So many 'nasty groups' will crawl out from under their stones and take part, it will start to show things in a different light when ultra right gangs become involved, Farage would be playing right into the hands of those that painted him as a racist, rightly or wrongly so..... If he's got any sense at all he will remain in his villa in Portugal on the day of the March. So called "far right" groups would refuse to march with Nige, because he banned them from joining UKIP, plus his party have fundamental differences to theirs. You might see some people waving our national flag, but they won't be members of nationalist groups, just patriotic people standing up for our rights. But Farage is a libertarian and this isn't a UKIP event, it's a public even, therefore him and UKIP have no ability to regulate a hundred or so far righters from coming in and physically clashing horns with anyone on or against the march. Exactly and the he would get the blame ! It isn't a good idea ! Exactly. I on the whole don't like farage, I don't like UKIP and I think the way we decided to leave the EU was the wrong way about it, but I do think that this march will lead to him being painted as a far right inciter or leader which is not what he is. If he is labelled as such then you are likely to get people digging a trench around him and UKIP and they will just drift towards BNP style party policies. One of the most sensible posts I've seen on here ! Also the fat left will look to stir it ! " Define the far left. People on the left or hard left seem to get lumped in with those actual far lefties. Same with people on the right and hard right getting lumped with the far right. And thank you, I always try to be unbiased in my approach. | |||
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"So many 'nasty groups' will crawl out from under their stones and take part, it will start to show things in a different light when ultra right gangs become involved, Farage would be playing right into the hands of those that painted him as a racist, rightly or wrongly so..... If he's got any sense at all he will remain in his villa in Portugal on the day of the March. So called "far right" groups would refuse to march with Nige, because he banned them from joining UKIP, plus his party have fundamental differences to theirs. You might see some people waving our national flag, but they won't be members of nationalist groups, just patriotic people standing up for our rights. But Farage is a libertarian and this isn't a UKIP event, it's a public even, therefore him and UKIP have no ability to regulate a hundred or so far righters from coming in and physically clashing horns with anyone on or against the march. Exactly and the he would get the blame ! It isn't a good idea ! Exactly. I on the whole don't like farage, I don't like UKIP and I think the way we decided to leave the EU was the wrong way about it, but I do think that this march will lead to him being painted as a far right inciter or leader which is not what he is. If he is labelled as such then you are likely to get people digging a trench around him and UKIP and they will just drift towards BNP style party policies. One of the most sensible posts I've seen on here ! Also the fat left will look to stir it ! Define the far left. People on the left or hard left seem to get lumped in with those actual far lefties. Same with people on the right and hard right getting lumped with the far right. And thank you, I always try to be unbiased in my approach." I got called far left on here last week. I voted conservative at the last election. | |||
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"I got called far left on here last week. I voted conservative at the last election. " That should tell you something about exactly how far to the right 'centre ground' politics have gone. | |||
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"So many 'nasty groups' will crawl out from under their stones and take part, it will start to show things in a different light when ultra right gangs become involved, Farage would be playing right into the hands of those that painted him as a racist, rightly or wrongly so..... If he's got any sense at all he will remain in his villa in Portugal on the day of the March. So called "far right" groups would refuse to march with Nige, because he banned them from joining UKIP, plus his party have fundamental differences to theirs. You might see some people waving our national flag, but they won't be members of nationalist groups, just patriotic people standing up for our rights. But Farage is a libertarian and this isn't a UKIP event, it's a public even, therefore him and UKIP have no ability to regulate a hundred or so far righters from coming in and physically clashing horns with anyone on or against the march. Exactly and the he would get the blame ! It isn't a good idea ! Exactly. I on the whole don't like farage, I don't like UKIP and I think the way we decided to leave the EU was the wrong way about it, but I do think that this march will lead to him being painted as a far right inciter or leader which is not what he is. If he is labelled as such then you are likely to get people digging a trench around him and UKIP and they will just drift towards BNP style party policies." they already have started to drift towards bnp policies as demonstrated in their conference coverage .... nige is just returning to the far right aggitator "safe space" from whence he emerged .... if he ain't careful with what he does here he could end up with rather alot of black flag groups from europes major cities cropping up as they seem to be well organised and very willing to travel a long way to "bash the fash" ... there could be scenes like athens in 2011 when they came from all over the continent to confront that Golden Dawn rally .... that lastest for about 2 weeks  | |||
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"So many 'nasty groups' will crawl out from under their stones and take part, it will start to show things in a different light when ultra right gangs become involved, Farage would be playing right into the hands of those that painted him as a racist, rightly or wrongly so..... If he's got any sense at all he will remain in his villa in Portugal on the day of the March. So called "far right" groups would refuse to march with Nige, because he banned them from joining UKIP, plus his party have fundamental differences to theirs. You might see some people waving our national flag, but they won't be members of nationalist groups, just patriotic people standing up for our rights. But Farage is a libertarian and this isn't a UKIP event, it's a public even, therefore him and UKIP have no ability to regulate a hundred or so far righters from coming in and physically clashing horns with anyone on or against the march. Exactly and the he would get the blame ! It isn't a good idea ! Exactly. I on the whole don't like farage, I don't like UKIP and I think the way we decided to leave the EU was the wrong way about it, but I do think that this march will lead to him being painted as a far right inciter or leader which is not what he is. If he is labelled as such then you are likely to get people digging a trench around him and UKIP and they will just drift towards BNP style party policies. One of the most sensible posts I've seen on here ! Also the fat left will look to stir it ! Define the far left. People on the left or hard left seem to get lumped in with those actual far lefties. Same with people on the right and hard right getting lumped with the far right. And thank you, I always try to be unbiased in my approach. I got called far left on here last week. I voted conservative at the last election. " I was called a stupid leftie once for pointing out that the history of mankind is basically one of migration - and that genetics can prove it, and providing the reference papers so nobody can call it propaganda. So apparently science is far left. | |||
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"So many 'nasty groups' will crawl out from under their stones and take part, it will start to show things in a different light when ultra right gangs become involved, Farage would be playing right into the hands of those that painted him as a racist, rightly or wrongly so..... If he's got any sense at all he will remain in his villa in Portugal on the day of the March. So called "far right" groups would refuse to march with Nige, because he banned them from joining UKIP, plus his party have fundamental differences to theirs. You might see some people waving our national flag, but they won't be members of nationalist groups, just patriotic people standing up for our rights. But Farage is a libertarian and this isn't a UKIP event, it's a public even, therefore him and UKIP have no ability to regulate a hundred or so far righters from coming in and physically clashing horns with anyone on or against the march. Exactly and the he would get the blame ! It isn't a good idea ! Exactly. I on the whole don't like farage, I don't like UKIP and I think the way we decided to leave the EU was the wrong way about it, but I do think that this march will lead to him being painted as a far right inciter or leader which is not what he is. If he is labelled as such then you are likely to get people digging a trench around him and UKIP and they will just drift towards BNP style party policies. they already have started to drift towards bnp policies as demonstrated in their conference coverage .... nige is just returning to the far right aggitator "safe space" from whence he emerged .... if he ain't careful with what he does here he could end up with rather alot of black flag groups from europes major cities cropping up as they seem to be well organised and very willing to travel a long way to "bash the fash" ... there could be scenes like athens in 2011 when they came from all over the continent to confront that Golden Dawn rally .... that lastest for about 2 weeks "Oh god I forgot about The Golden Dawn and their Nazi Salutes. | |||
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"Oh god I forgot about The Golden Dawn and their Nazi Salutes." well they have been quite quiet since Fountoulis and Kapelonis got whacked outside their offices by the anarchist FPRP group .... it shat up pretty much all their fringe support and they realised being a fascist wasn't a good idea after all | |||
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"I was called a stupid leftie once for pointing out that the history of mankind is basically one of migration - and that genetics can prove it, and providing the reference papers so nobody can call it propaganda. So apparently science is far left. " I've said it many times on here, evidence and facts are so inconvenient! Of course we all migrated, out of Africa. No doubt about it! | |||
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"Nigel Farage is now to lead a 100,000 person march on the Supreme Court to protest against parliamentary sovereignty. You couldn't make this shit up now. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/11/06/nigel-farage-to-lead-100000-strong-march-on-supreme-court-on-day/ He has spun the public around and around so much they have no idea which way they are facing anymore or what they are meant to be believing in. OP it's not a March against Parliamentary sovereignty. I just watched press preview on sky news and it was described on there as a March of 100,000 to honour the result of the referendum and to call for no more delays in the Brexit process. Peaceful protest is allowed by law in this country and if Farage wants to organise a protest March he is well within his rights to do so (or do you only think It's allowed when Remainers organise a March?) Nigel Farage appeared on the Andrew Marr show on Sunday morning and said that in this case it is the people who are sovereign, as Parliament voted by a majority of 6 to 1 in the house of commons to let the people decide our membership of the EU. All Theresa May is trying to do is follow through on the result of the referendum and carry out the wish of the people. For that hag Miller woman to call Theresa May a Tin pot dictator (as she did on the Andrew Marr show) is utterly ridiculous beyond belief when Theresa May is trying to implement the result of the referendum and nothing more. Miller is not the slightest bit interested in parliamentary sovereignty, as a bitter Remoaner all she is trying to do with this court case is delay brexit/thwart brexit/put as many obstacles in front of brexit as she can. " Forgive me if I am wrong but didn't the male lawyer who assisted and co-led the case, proudly campaign for brexit? | |||
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"If the left try to stop this march they might get an unpleasant surprise. When we are talking about 100,000 angry people, a counter demo is not going to do anything other than antagonise. In ordinary circumstances this might serve the left well. In this however the amount of people showing their support for BREXIT will resonate with the public. I have been on demos and have been forced to fight, it won't happen this time. Sheer numbers will mean that the powers that be will do everything to stop that from happening." I doubt that what you call the 'left' will be the ones stopping this march, however I expect that the metropolitan police and the high court may have a lot to say. | |||
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"If the left try to stop this march they might get an unpleasant surprise. When we are talking about 100,000 angry people, a counter demo is not going to do anything other than antagonise. In ordinary circumstances this might serve the left well. In this however the amount of people showing their support for BREXIT will resonate with the public. I have been on demos and have been forced to fight, it won't happen this time. Sheer numbers will mean that the powers that be will do everything to stop that from happening. I doubt that what you call the 'left' will be the ones stopping this march, however I expect that the metropolitan police and the high court may have a lot to say." Oh dear, you think that the police can stop the rights of people to hold a peaceful demonstration? It doesn't work like that, they will have to facilitate it, and try to stop any violence. In my experience that means that they will be out in numbers. | |||
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"Oh dear, you think that the police can stop the rights of people to hold a peaceful demonstration? It doesn't work like that, they will have to facilitate it, and try to stop any violence. In my experience that means that they will be out in numbers." Actually I believe that there is a legal requirement for anyone organising a demonstration to inform the police and get approval including for the route of any march and that the first duty of the police is to protect public order and if the risk of violence is high then to restrict or refuse to allow the demonstration to take place. | |||
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"Nigel Farage is now to lead a 100,000 person march on the Supreme Court to protest against parliamentary sovereignty. You couldn't make this shit up now. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/11/06/nigel-farage-to-lead-100000-strong-march-on-supreme-court-on-day/ He has spun the public around and around so much they have no idea which way they are facing anymore or what they are meant to be believing in. OP it's not a March against Parliamentary sovereignty. I just watched press preview on sky news and it was described on there as a March of 100,000 to honour the result of the referendum and to call for no more delays in the Brexit process. Peaceful protest is allowed by law in this country and if Farage wants to organise a protest March he is well within his rights to do so (or do you only think It's allowed when Remainers organise a March?) Nigel Farage appeared on the Andrew Marr show on Sunday morning and said that in this case it is the people who are sovereign, as Parliament voted by a majority of 6 to 1 in the house of commons to let the people decide our membership of the EU. All Theresa May is trying to do is follow through on the result of the referendum and carry out the wish of the people. For that hag Miller woman to call Theresa May a Tin pot dictator (as she did on the Andrew Marr show) is utterly ridiculous beyond belief when Theresa May is trying to implement the result of the referendum and nothing more. Miller is not the slightest bit interested in parliamentary sovereignty, as a bitter Remoaner all she is trying to do with this court case is delay brexit/thwart brexit/put as many obstacles in front of brexit as she can. " Miller was interviewed on Radio 5 live. Her arrogance and air of superiority would have made Marie (let them eat cake) Antoinette blush. She even had the nerve to say that she was actually doing it for the British people in the classic "After all I've done for you" catchphrase of the dictator and in her case the would-be tin pot dictator. | |||
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"Nigel Farage is now to lead a 100,000 person march on the Supreme Court to protest against parliamentary sovereignty. You couldn't make this shit up now. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/11/06/nigel-farage-to-lead-100000-strong-march-on-supreme-court-on-day/ He has spun the public around and around so much they have no idea which way they are facing anymore or what they are meant to be believing in. OP it's not a March against Parliamentary sovereignty. I just watched press preview on sky news and it was described on there as a March of 100,000 to honour the result of the referendum and to call for no more delays in the Brexit process. Peaceful protest is allowed by law in this country and if Farage wants to organise a protest March he is well within his rights to do so (or do you only think It's allowed when Remainers organise a March?) Nigel Farage appeared on the Andrew Marr show on Sunday morning and said that in this case it is the people who are sovereign, as Parliament voted by a majority of 6 to 1 in the house of commons to let the people decide our membership of the EU. All Theresa May is trying to do is follow through on the result of the referendum and carry out the wish of the people. For that hag Miller woman to call Theresa May a Tin pot dictator (as she did on the Andrew Marr show) is utterly ridiculous beyond belief when Theresa May is trying to implement the result of the referendum and nothing more. Miller is not the slightest bit interested in parliamentary sovereignty, as a bitter Remoaner all she is trying to do with this court case is delay brexit/thwart brexit/put as many obstacles in front of brexit as she can. Forgive me if I am wrong but didn't the male lawyer who assisted and co-led the case, proudly campaign for brexit?" Miller voted Remain, she said so on the Andrew Marr show on Sunday. | |||
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"It will be rightly ignored by the supreme court, peaceful protest by all means but if anyone thinks that their judgement will be swayed by such then sorry it wont. Anyone who claims they respect this democracy will know that, anyone who thinks it will or its how to do things is wrong." | |||
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"I was called a stupid leftie once for pointing out that the history of mankind is basically one of migration - and that genetics can prove it, and providing the reference papers so nobody can call it propaganda. So apparently science is far left. I've said it many times on here, evidence and facts are so inconvenient! Of course we all migrated, out of Africa. No doubt about it!" There was a post on here about a year ago where the OP was absolutely certain that humanity hadn't migrated out of Africa, it had migrated out of Scotland! | |||
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"If the left try to stop this march they might get an unpleasant surprise. When we are talking about 100,000 angry people, a counter demo is not going to do anything other than antagonise. In ordinary circumstances this might serve the left well. In this however the amount of people showing their support for BREXIT will resonate with the public. I have been on demos and have been forced to fight, it won't happen this time. Sheer numbers will mean that the powers that be will do everything to stop that from happening." I'm pretty sure there will be a counter demonstration. There are quite a few people in the country who believe in the rule of law, and an independent judiciary. | |||
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"Nigel Farage is now to lead a 100,000 person march on the Supreme Court to protest against parliamentary sovereignty. You couldn't make this shit up now. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/11/06/nigel-farage-to-lead-100000-strong-march-on-supreme-court-on-day/ He has spun the public around and around so much they have no idea which way they are facing anymore or what they are meant to be believing in. OP it's not a March against Parliamentary sovereignty. I just watched press preview on sky news and it was described on there as a March of 100,000 to honour the result of the referendum and to call for no more delays in the Brexit process. Peaceful protest is allowed by law in this country and if Farage wants to organise a protest March he is well within his rights to do so (or do you only think It's allowed when Remainers organise a March?) Nigel Farage appeared on the Andrew Marr show on Sunday morning and said that in this case it is the people who are sovereign, as Parliament voted by a majority of 6 to 1 in the house of commons to let the people decide our membership of the EU. All Theresa May is trying to do is follow through on the result of the referendum and carry out the wish of the people. For that hag Miller woman to call Theresa May a Tin pot dictator (as she did on the Andrew Marr show) is utterly ridiculous beyond belief when Theresa May is trying to implement the result of the referendum and nothing more. Miller is not the slightest bit interested in parliamentary sovereignty, as a bitter Remoaner all she is trying to do with this court case is delay brexit/thwart brexit/put as many obstacles in front of brexit as she can. Forgive me if I am wrong but didn't the male lawyer who assisted and co-led the case, proudly campaign for brexit? Miller voted Remain, she said so on the Andrew Marr show on Sunday. " I said him, there were three judges right? One of tbe male lawyers voted brexit. Forgive me if im wrong, knackered and unsure if im right on that. | |||
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"Nigel Farage is now to lead a 100,000 person march on the Supreme Court to protest against parliamentary sovereignty. You couldn't make this shit up now. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/11/06/nigel-farage-to-lead-100000-strong-march-on-supreme-court-on-day/ He has spun the public around and around so much they have no idea which way they are facing anymore or what they are meant to be believing in. OP it's not a March against Parliamentary sovereignty. I just watched press preview on sky news and it was described on there as a March of 100,000 to honour the result of the referendum and to call for no more delays in the Brexit process. Peaceful protest is allowed by law in this country and if Farage wants to organise a protest March he is well within his rights to do so (or do you only think It's allowed when Remainers organise a March?) Nigel Farage appeared on the Andrew Marr show on Sunday morning and said that in this case it is the people who are sovereign, as Parliament voted by a majority of 6 to 1 in the house of commons to let the people decide our membership of the EU. All Theresa May is trying to do is follow through on the result of the referendum and carry out the wish of the people. For that hag Miller woman to call Theresa May a Tin pot dictator (as she did on the Andrew Marr show) is utterly ridiculous beyond belief when Theresa May is trying to implement the result of the referendum and nothing more. Miller is not the slightest bit interested in parliamentary sovereignty, as a bitter Remoaner all she is trying to do with this court case is delay brexit/thwart brexit/put as many obstacles in front of brexit as she can. "That hag woman"? That's piss poor quality of debate even for you. Being rather selective in your criticism there Ruby, you think calling Theresa May, Mrs Maygabe or a Tin Pot dictator is a good quality of debate? " I didn't see that post. No, I don't. Although at least it doesn't use her age/appearance as the source of condemnation, it's stuck to what they think about her politics. | |||
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"Miller was interviewed on Radio 5 live. Her arrogance and air of superiority would have made Marie (let them eat cake) Antoinette blush. She even had the nerve to say that she was actually doing it for the British people in the classic "After all I've done for you" catchphrase of the dictator and in her case the would-be tin pot dictator. " Her arrogance... I would point out the High Court ruled in her favour. She even had the nerve to say... Unlike Ms May who when faced with a choice of consulting Parliament or usurping power decided to usurp power. How dare anyone with the money to do so stand up and use their money to protect Parliaments sovereignty. Especially from someone whose only mandate to hold the office she does comes from the Tory party. | |||
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" Miller was interviewed on Radio 5 live. Her arrogance and air of superiority would have made Marie (let them eat cake) Antoinette blush. She even had the nerve to say that she was actually doing it for the British people in the classic "After all I've done for you" catchphrase of the dictator and in her case the would-be tin pot dictator. " I think that when a citizen can rightly challenge in the high court and win as she and other's did, then any arrogance if there is any is possibly at the door of those who laid out before the country a referendum which was able to be challenged when they had the means to prevent such.. btw you do know that its acknowledged by historians that Marie Antoinette never said that phrase.. | |||
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"The people voted for hard brexit. The biggest issue for the public was immigration, and the only way to slash that is to leave the single market. For the first time in my life, l'm considering moving to lsrael. l don't like where our nation is going and the undemocratic nature of it and the EU today. " I too don't like where our country is going. I don't like the rise of racism and hate crimes, the nastiness around refugees, the attacks on our constitution and our judiciary etc. | |||
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"The people voted for hard brexit. The biggest issue for the public was immigration, and the only way to slash that is to leave the single market. For the first time in my life, l'm considering moving to lsrael. l don't like where our nation is going and the undemocratic nature of it and the EU today. I too don't like where our country is going. I don't like the rise of racism and hate crimes, the nastiness around refugees, the attacks on our constitution and our judiciary etc." There is racism against British here now. Anti-Semitism is now rife and lslamic immigration here is a worry for us and fueling it. Also the nonsense regarding the self hate in Britain. The notion that we are a rich nation just because of colonialism. | |||
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"The people voted for hard brexit. The biggest issue for the public was immigration, and the only way to slash that is to leave the single market. For the first time in my life, l'm considering moving to lsrael. l don't like where our nation is going and the undemocratic nature of it and the EU today. So if we are moving away from the EU, and looking at creating more trade with other countries, such as India, how do you feel about trade deals with them coming with caveats about relaxing visa conditions for Indians, which would increase immigration?" l'd oppose it if the numbers were anything like EU migration. | |||
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"The people voted for hard brexit. The biggest issue for the public was immigration, and the only way to slash that is to leave the single market. For the first time in my life, l'm considering moving to lsrael. l don't like where our nation is going and the undemocratic nature of it and the EU today. So if we are moving away from the EU, and looking at creating more trade with other countries, such as India, how do you feel about trade deals with them coming with caveats about relaxing visa conditions for Indians, which would increase immigration? l'd oppose it if the numbers were anything like EU migration." Unfortunately you or I would have no say in the matter | |||
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"The people voted for hard brexit. The biggest issue for the public was immigration, and the only way to slash that is to leave the single market. For the first time in my life, l'm considering moving to lsrael. l don't like where our nation is going and the undemocratic nature of it and the EU today. So if we are moving away from the EU, and looking at creating more trade with other countries, such as India, how do you feel about trade deals with them coming with caveats about relaxing visa conditions for Indians, which would increase immigration? l'd oppose it if the numbers were anything like EU migration. Unfortunately you or I would have no say in the matter " l know. How do we expect foreigners to integrate when so many natives hate their own country? | |||
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"The people voted for hard brexit. The biggest issue for the public was immigration, and the only way to slash that is to leave the single market. For the first time in my life, l'm considering moving to lsrael. l don't like where our nation is going and the undemocratic nature of it and the EU today. So if we are moving away from the EU, and looking at creating more trade with other countries, such as India, how do you feel about trade deals with them coming with caveats about relaxing visa conditions for Indians, which would increase immigration? l'd oppose it if the numbers were anything like EU migration." So you think we should control immigration, even if it costs us in trade? | |||
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"The people voted for hard brexit. The biggest issue for the public was immigration, and the only way to slash that is to leave the single market. For the first time in my life, l'm considering moving to lsrael. l don't like where our nation is going and the undemocratic nature of it and the EU today. I too don't like where our country is going. I don't like the rise of racism and hate crimes, the nastiness around refugees, the attacks on our constitution and our judiciary etc." It's right to criticise the judiciary, it's called freedom of speech and we also have a free press in this country. ONE of the judges at the high Court who ruled in that case had a conflict of interest, it has since come out that he is involved with a group who are committed to integrating European law into our own British law. He should never have been sitting in judgement on the case in the first place. | |||
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"The people voted for hard brexit. The biggest issue for the public was immigration, and the only way to slash that is to leave the single market. For the first time in my life, l'm considering moving to lsrael. l don't like where our nation is going and the undemocratic nature of it and the EU today. So if we are moving away from the EU, and looking at creating more trade with other countries, such as India, how do you feel about trade deals with them coming with caveats about relaxing visa conditions for Indians, which would increase immigration? l'd oppose it if the numbers were anything like EU migration. So you think we should control immigration, even if it costs us in trade?" Yes. Culture and belonging means a lot to people. When you change the population of a country drastically very quickly, you change the culture forever. There has never been immigration on this scale of this island. And there has never been a more virulent self hate. | |||
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"The government have already stated on more than one occasion that any shortage of labour that MIGHT be caused by our exit from the EU, and any subsequent exodus by EU workers in the UK, can and will be rectified by turning to the Commonwealth. Read into that what you will...." The isn't a shortage in labour here. | |||
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"The people voted for hard brexit. The biggest issue for the public was immigration, and the only way to slash that is to leave the single market. For the first time in my life, l'm considering moving to lsrael. l don't like where our nation is going and the undemocratic nature of it and the EU today. So if we are moving away from the EU, and looking at creating more trade with other countries, such as India, how do you feel about trade deals with them coming with caveats about relaxing visa conditions for Indians, which would increase immigration? l'd oppose it if the numbers were anything like EU migration. So you think we should control immigration, even if it costs us in trade?" Yes , trade and money arnt everything . We should be concentrating on making our current residents from other country's more integrated into our society first
Instead of the current Asian / white Seperate areas. ! Bradford a glaring example .
Once we have learned to mix
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And yes I do think this is predomint with the Muslim community .
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"The people voted for hard brexit. The biggest issue for the public was immigration, and the only way to slash that is to leave the single market. For the first time in my life, l'm considering moving to lsrael. l don't like where our nation is going and the undemocratic nature of it and the EU today. So if we are moving away from the EU, and looking at creating more trade with other countries, such as India, how do you feel about trade deals with them coming with caveats about relaxing visa conditions for Indians, which would increase immigration? l'd oppose it if the numbers were anything like EU migration. So you think we should control immigration, even if it costs us in trade? Yes , trade and money arnt everything . We should be concentrating on making our current residents from other country's more integrated into our society first
Instead of the current Asian / white Seperate areas. ! Bradford a glaring example .
Once we have learned to mix
Then re look at things
And yes I do think this is predomint with the Muslim community .
I also have no truck with the british community's doing the same thing in Spain !"You'd think that they were Thatcherites. Money is more important than culture to them. | |||
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"The government have already stated on more than one occasion that any shortage of labour that MIGHT be caused by our exit from the EU, and any subsequent exodus by EU workers in the UK, can and will be rectified by turning to the Commonwealth. Read into that what you will.... The isn't a shortage in labour here. " There's a shortage of skilled labour. | |||
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"The people voted for hard brexit. The biggest issue for the public was immigration, and the only way to slash that is to leave the single market. For the first time in my life, l'm considering moving to lsrael. l don't like where our nation is going and the undemocratic nature of it and the EU today. So if we are moving away from the EU, and looking at creating more trade with other countries, such as India, how do you feel about trade deals with them coming with caveats about relaxing visa conditions for Indians, which would increase immigration? l'd oppose it if the numbers were anything like EU migration. So you think we should control immigration, even if it costs us in trade? Yes. Culture and belonging means a lot to people. When you change the population of a country drastically very quickly, you change the culture forever. There has never been immigration on this scale of this island. And there has never been a more virulent self hate. " So how much GDP are you willing to sacrifice? | |||
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"The people voted for hard brexit. The biggest issue for the public was immigration, and the only way to slash that is to leave the single market. For the first time in my life, l'm considering moving to lsrael. l don't like where our nation is going and the undemocratic nature of it and the EU today. So if we are moving away from the EU, and looking at creating more trade with other countries, such as India, how do you feel about trade deals with them coming with caveats about relaxing visa conditions for Indians, which would increase immigration? l'd oppose it if the numbers were anything like EU migration. So you think we should control immigration, even if it costs us in trade? Yes. Culture and belonging means a lot to people. When you change the population of a country drastically very quickly, you change the culture forever. There has never been immigration on this scale of this island. And there has never been a more virulent self hate. So how much GDP are you willing to sacrifice?" None yet. As any deal with lndia is hypothetical, there will be no loss. lndia needs us more than we need them. They offer cheap labour. We offer expertise. One can be found anywhere and the other cannot. | |||
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"The government have already stated on more than one occasion that any shortage of labour that MIGHT be caused by our exit from the EU, and any subsequent exodus by EU workers in the UK, can and will be rectified by turning to the Commonwealth. Read into that what you will.... The isn't a shortage in labour here. There's a shortage of skilled labour. lsn't there in every country? lf there is a shortage in skilled labour, free movement is not the answer. Currently in our system, a semi literate, Eastern European can come her and stay but a Doctor from Canada or lndia cannot. We have shortage in skill and massive over abundance in unskilled labour which drives down the wages of the poor. lt's simple economics. The more abundant of something, the cheaper it becomes. " Of course. But you won't train up all the required doctors and skilled workers you need within the Brexit timelines that are being discussed. What fills the gap? How do you reverse two generations of low aspiration and welfare state dependency among sections of the British population within two years? Pointing these things out is not self-hate or lefty guilt. It's pragmatism and wanting practical answers instead of lofty rhetoric. | |||
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"The government have already stated on more than one occasion that any shortage of labour that MIGHT be caused by our exit from the EU, and any subsequent exodus by EU workers in the UK, can and will be rectified by turning to the Commonwealth. Read into that what you will.... The isn't a shortage in labour here. There's a shortage of skilled labour. lsn't there in every country? lf there is a shortage in skilled labour, free movement is not the answer. Currently in our system, a semi literate, Eastern European can come her and stay but a Doctor from Canada or lndia cannot. We have shortage in skill and massive over abundance in unskilled labour which drives down the wages of the poor. lt's simple economics. The more abundant of something, the cheaper it becomes. Of course. But you won't train up all the required doctors and skilled workers you need within the Brexit timelines that are being discussed. What fills the gap? How do you reverse two generations of low aspiration and welfare state dependency among sections of the British population within two years? Pointing these things out is not self-hate or lefty guilt. It's pragmatism and wanting practical answers instead of lofty rhetoric." Wait, what has brexit got to do with the shortage of skilled labour? They are two separate issues. The way you are framing it, it's like we had these things sorted pre Brexit and now we are running against the clock. l don't think that pragmatic discussion like this one are self hate. l saying that Britain is rich only because of the Empire is self hate and so is siding with people like Hamas, who Corbyn calls his friends. | |||
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"The government have already stated on more than one occasion that any shortage of labour that MIGHT be caused by our exit from the EU, and any subsequent exodus by EU workers in the UK, can and will be rectified by turning to the Commonwealth. Read into that what you will.... The isn't a shortage in labour here. There's a shortage of skilled labour. lsn't there in every country? lf there is a shortage in skilled labour, free movement is not the answer. Currently in our system, a semi literate, Eastern European can come her and stay but a Doctor from Canada or lndia cannot. We have shortage in skill and massive over abundance in unskilled labour which drives down the wages of the poor. lt's simple economics. The more abundant of something, the cheaper it becomes. Of course. But you won't train up all the required doctors and skilled workers you need within the Brexit timelines that are being discussed. What fills the gap? How do you reverse two generations of low aspiration and welfare state dependency among sections of the British population within two years? Pointing these things out is not self-hate or lefty guilt. It's pragmatism and wanting practical answers instead of lofty rhetoric. Wait, what has brexit got to do with the shortage of skilled labour? They are two separate issues. The way you are framing it, it's like we had these things sorted pre Brexit and now we are running against the clock. l don't think that pragmatic discussion like this one are self hate. l saying that Britain is rich only because of the Empire is self hate and so is siding with people like Hamas, who Corbyn calls his friends." No it wasn't all sorted pre Brexit. But we had mechanisms for filling the gaps which won't be available. Why would a government which had no desire to sort out those problems by looking within the country before suddenly want to sort them out by looking within the country now? All that will happen is switching low skilled immigration from the EU for low skilled immigration from outside the EU. I personally don't feel that will aid integration, if that's what you're claiming to be concerned about. Across various threads you've dismissed every poster who isn't an avid Brexiter or Trump supporter as being "far left" and hating Britain. Bringing Corbyn into it just proves that. | |||
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"The government have already stated on more than one occasion that any shortage of labour that MIGHT be caused by our exit from the EU, and any subsequent exodus by EU workers in the UK, can and will be rectified by turning to the Commonwealth. Read into that what you will.... The isn't a shortage in labour here. There's a shortage of skilled labour. lsn't there in every country? lf there is a shortage in skilled labour, free movement is not the answer. Currently in our system, a semi literate, Eastern European can come her and stay but a Doctor from Canada or lndia cannot. We have shortage in skill and massive over abundance in unskilled labour which drives down the wages of the poor. lt's simple economics. The more abundant of something, the cheaper it becomes. Of course. But you won't train up all the required doctors and skilled workers you need within the Brexit timelines that are being discussed. What fills the gap? How do you reverse two generations of low aspiration and welfare state dependency among sections of the British population within two years? Pointing these things out is not self-hate or lefty guilt. It's pragmatism and wanting practical answers instead of lofty rhetoric. Wait, what has brexit got to do with the shortage of skilled labour? They are two separate issues. The way you are framing it, it's like we had these things sorted pre Brexit and now we are running against the clock. l don't think that pragmatic discussion like this one are self hate. l saying that Britain is rich only because of the Empire is self hate and so is siding with people like Hamas, who Corbyn calls his friends. No it wasn't all sorted pre Brexit. But we had mechanisms for filling the gaps which won't be available. Why would a government which had no desire to sort out those problems by looking within the country before suddenly want to sort them out by looking within the country now? All that will happen is switching low skilled immigration from the EU for low skilled immigration from outside the EU. I personally don't feel that will aid integration, if that's what you're claiming to be concerned about. Across various threads you've dismissed every poster who isn't an avid Brexiter or Trump supporter as being "far left" and hating Britain. Bringing Corbyn into it just proves that. " And bringing in the leader of the opposition proves that? My God. He could well be Prime Minister. He's a vital player and not irrelevant. | |||
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"The people voted for hard brexit. The biggest issue for the public was immigration, and the only way to slash that is to leave the single market. For the first time in my life, l'm considering moving to lsrael. l don't like where our nation is going and the undemocratic nature of it and the EU today. So if we are moving away from the EU, and looking at creating more trade with other countries, such as India, how do you feel about trade deals with them coming with caveats about relaxing visa conditions for Indians, which would increase immigration? l'd oppose it if the numbers were anything like EU migration. So you think we should control immigration, even if it costs us in trade? Yes. Culture and belonging means a lot to people. When you change the population of a country drastically very quickly, you change the culture forever. There has never been immigration on this scale of this island. And there has never been a more virulent self hate. So how much GDP are you willing to sacrifice? None yet. As any deal with lndia is hypothetical, there will be no loss. lndia needs us more than we need them. They offer cheap labour. We offer expertise. One can be found anywhere and the other cannot." "None yet" so how much GDP will you be willing to sacrifice in the future to leave the EU? Or is any lose of GDP a price too high to leave? | |||
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"The government have already stated on more than one occasion that any shortage of labour that MIGHT be caused by our exit from the EU, and any subsequent exodus by EU workers in the UK, can and will be rectified by turning to the Commonwealth. Read into that what you will.... The isn't a shortage in labour here. There's a shortage of skilled labour. lsn't there in every country? lf there is a shortage in skilled labour, free movement is not the answer. Currently in our system, a semi literate, Eastern European can come her and stay but a Doctor from Canada or lndia cannot. We have shortage in skill and massive over abundance in unskilled labour which drives down the wages of the poor. lt's simple economics. The more abundant of something, the cheaper it becomes. Of course. But you won't train up all the required doctors and skilled workers you need within the Brexit timelines that are being discussed. What fills the gap? How do you reverse two generations of low aspiration and welfare state dependency among sections of the British population within two years? Pointing these things out is not self-hate or lefty guilt. It's pragmatism and wanting practical answers instead of lofty rhetoric. Wait, what has brexit got to do with the shortage of skilled labour? They are two separate issues. The way you are framing it, it's like we had these things sorted pre Brexit and now we are running against the clock. l don't think that pragmatic discussion like this one are self hate. l saying that Britain is rich only because of the Empire is self hate and so is siding with people like Hamas, who Corbyn calls his friends. No it wasn't all sorted pre Brexit. But we had mechanisms for filling the gaps which won't be available. Why would a government which had no desire to sort out those problems by looking within the country before suddenly want to sort them out by looking within the country now? All that will happen is switching low skilled immigration from the EU for low skilled immigration from outside the EU. I personally don't feel that will aid integration, if that's what you're claiming to be concerned about. Across various threads you've dismissed every poster who isn't an avid Brexiter or Trump supporter as being "far left" and hating Britain. Bringing Corbyn into it just proves that. And bringing in the leader of the opposition proves that? My God. He could well be Prime Minister. He's a vital player and not irrelevant. " He's not a vital player. He's less than irrelevant. Unfortunately, because I'd prefer a capable Opposition. | |||
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"The people voted for hard brexit. The biggest issue for the public was immigration, and the only way to slash that is to leave the single market. " Nope. The people voted for Brexit. That might mean a certain specific thing to you but to others it meant something different. In any case it was a 'hope' vote not a clear position. That was Leave's strategy, to try and get as many votes as possible, even under false pretenses. The downside for them is it is now open to all sorts of interpretations. 'Brexit means Brexit' but no-one knows what that is. Parliament will now have to try and guess what the public want and then use their own judgement whether it is in the country's best interest to give it to them. As for 'The biggest issue for the public was immigration' it actually wasn't. In the only poll conducted after the referendum 'Nearly half (49%) of leave voters said the biggest single reason for wanting to leave the EU was “the principle that decisions about the UK should be taken in the UK”. One third (33%) said the main reason was that leaving “offered the best chance for the UK to regain control over immigration and its own borders.” Just over one in eight (13%) said remaining would mean having no choice “about how the EU expanded its membership or its powers in the years ahead.” Only just over one in twenty (6%) said their main reason was that “when it comes to trade and the economy, the UK would benefit more from being outside the EU than from being part of it.” So it was the most important factor for 33% of 52% of 74%. That is therefore 1/8 of the population. Is that a mandate? I think what you are going to get is we will retain the single market membership rather than control over our borders. May and the Tories in the end will put business first, she made that much clear in her private speech to Goldman Sachs just before the referendum. Labour want to stay in the single market. So do the Lib-dems and the SNP, though they want to stay in the EU full stop. | |||
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"The people voted for hard brexit. The biggest issue for the public was immigration, and the only way to slash that is to leave the single market. For the first time in my life, l'm considering moving to lsrael. l don't like where our nation is going and the undemocratic nature of it and the EU today. So if we are moving away from the EU, and looking at creating more trade with other countries, such as India, how do you feel about trade deals with them coming with caveats about relaxing visa conditions for Indians, which would increase immigration? l'd oppose it if the numbers were anything like EU migration. So you think we should control immigration, even if it costs us in trade? Yes. Culture and belonging means a lot to people. When you change the population of a country drastically very quickly, you change the culture forever. There has never been immigration on this scale of this island. And there has never been a more virulent self hate. So how much GDP are you willing to sacrifice? None yet. As any deal with lndia is hypothetical, there will be no loss. lndia needs us more than we need them. They offer cheap labour. We offer expertise. One can be found anywhere and the other cannot. "None yet" so how much GDP will you be willing to sacrifice in the future to leave the EU? Or is any lose of GDP a price too high to leave? " How can there be a loss? There can only be an increase in GDP. A trade deal falling through doesn't shrink the economy. No more than market fluctuations anyway. Money money money. ls that all that matters. | |||
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"The people voted for hard brexit. The biggest issue for the public was immigration, and the only way to slash that is to leave the single market. Nope. The people voted for Brexit. That might mean a certain specific thing to you but to others it meant something different. In any case it was a 'hope' vote not a clear position. That was Leave's strategy, to try and get as many votes as possible, even under false pretenses. The downside for them is it is now open to all sorts of interpretations. 'Brexit means Brexit' but no-one knows what that is. Parliament will now have to try and guess what the public want and then use their own judgement whether it is in the country's best interest to give it to them. As for 'The biggest issue for the public was immigration' it actually wasn't. In the only poll conducted after the referendum 'Nearly half (49%) of leave voters said the biggest single reason for wanting to leave the EU was “the principle that decisions about the UK should be taken in the UK”. One third (33%) said the main reason was that leaving “offered the best chance for the UK to regain control over immigration and its own borders.” Just over one in eight (13%) said remaining would mean having no choice “about how the EU expanded its membership or its powers in the years ahead.” Only just over one in twenty (6%) said their main reason was that “when it comes to trade and the economy, the UK would benefit more from being outside the EU than from being part of it.” So it was the most important factor for 33% of 52% of 74%. That is therefore 1/8 of the population. Is that a mandate? I think what you are going to get is we will retain the single market membership rather than control over our borders. May and the Tories in the end will put business first, she made that much clear in her private speech to Goldman Sachs just before the referendum. Labour want to stay in the single market. So do the Lib-dems and the SNP, though they want to stay in the EU full stop. " Give me your source and l will get another. https://www.ipsos-mori.com/researchpublications/researcharchive/3746/immigration-is-now-the-top-issue-for-voters-in-the-eu-referendum.aspx We voted to leave to stop the mass migration. The only way we can do this is hard brexit, ergo that is what the people voted for. | |||
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"The government have already stated on more than one occasion that any shortage of labour that MIGHT be caused by our exit from the EU, and any subsequent exodus by EU workers in the UK, can and will be rectified by turning to the Commonwealth. Read into that what you will.... The isn't a shortage in labour here. There's a shortage of skilled labour. lsn't there in every country? lf there is a shortage in skilled labour, free movement is not the answer. Currently in our system, a semi literate, Eastern European can come her and stay but a Doctor from Canada or lndia cannot. We have shortage in skill and massive over abundance in unskilled labour which drives down the wages of the poor. lt's simple economics. The more abundant of something, the cheaper it becomes. Of course. But you won't train up all the required doctors and skilled workers you need within the Brexit timelines that are being discussed. What fills the gap? How do you reverse two generations of low aspiration and welfare state dependency among sections of the British population within two years? Pointing these things out is not self-hate or lefty guilt. It's pragmatism and wanting practical answers instead of lofty rhetoric. Wait, what has brexit got to do with the shortage of skilled labour? They are two separate issues. The way you are framing it, it's like we had these things sorted pre Brexit and now we are running against the clock. l don't think that pragmatic discussion like this one are self hate. l saying that Britain is rich only because of the Empire is self hate and so is siding with people like Hamas, who Corbyn calls his friends. No it wasn't all sorted pre Brexit. But we had mechanisms for filling the gaps which won't be available. Why would a government which had no desire to sort out those problems by looking within the country before suddenly want to sort them out by looking within the country now? All that will happen is switching low skilled immigration from the EU for low skilled immigration from outside the EU. I personally don't feel that will aid integration, if that's what you're claiming to be concerned about. Across various threads you've dismissed every poster who isn't an avid Brexiter or Trump supporter as being "far left" and hating Britain. Bringing Corbyn into it just proves that. What mechanism? We had two pools. THe EU migration in wqhich every and anyone could come and settle regardless of skill and the non EU pool that we can choose. Nothing has changed in that regard. Why are you assuming that we are still going to want lots of unskilled labour? That's a illogical conclusion. l think you are projecting, putting words in my mouth and taking it too personally. l called you a far lefty recently because you appeared to be one. " There are lots of unskilled jobs in the UK that need to be done, from fruit picking, to restaurants, to the care industry, in the NHS, etc etc. These jobs will still need to be done, so we will still need people to do it. There are also skilled jobs that need doing. As it has already been mentioned, lets stick to Drs. At the moment we can get doctors from outside of the EU and from inside of the EU. Employers (in this case the NHS) don't really care where they get their employees from, they just want the best candidate to fill the position. Currently the NHS can get as many Drs as they want from the EU, because of freedom of movement. The government wants to put a limit on total net migration, and to reduce it to less than 100,000. If we leave the EU and no longer have free movement, then the NHS would have to compete against all of the other businesses in the UK to get their empty Dr positions filled. But some of that 100,000 figure will be taken by footballers, some will be taken by lawyers, some will be taken by engineers, some will be taken by entrepreneurs, some will be taken by students, and some will be taken by those unskilled workers that we still need to pick crops, clean toilets, serve chips etc. etc. So do you see how that limiting of immigration will have a negative impact on businesses and services like the NHS? | |||
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"The people voted for hard brexit. The biggest issue for the public was immigration, and the only way to slash that is to leave the single market. For the first time in my life, l'm considering moving to lsrael. l don't like where our nation is going and the undemocratic nature of it and the EU today. I too don't like where our country is going. I don't like the rise of racism and hate crimes, the nastiness around refugees, the attacks on our constitution and our judiciary etc. It's right to criticise the judiciary, it's called freedom of speech and we also have a free press in this country. ONE of the judges at the high Court who ruled in that case had a conflict of interest, it has since come out that he is involved with a group who are committed to integrating European law into our own British law. He should never have been sitting in judgement on the case in the first place. " Well said . If he had been on a jury he would have been rejected | |||
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"The government have already stated on more than one occasion that any shortage of labour that MIGHT be caused by our exit from the EU, and any subsequent exodus by EU workers in the UK, can and will be rectified by turning to the Commonwealth. Read into that what you will.... The isn't a shortage in labour here. There's a shortage of skilled labour. lsn't there in every country? lf there is a shortage in skilled labour, free movement is not the answer. Currently in our system, a semi literate, Eastern European can come her and stay but a Doctor from Canada or lndia cannot. We have shortage in skill and massive over abundance in unskilled labour which drives down the wages of the poor. lt's simple economics. The more abundant of something, the cheaper it becomes. Of course. But you won't train up all the required doctors and skilled workers you need within the Brexit timelines that are being discussed. What fills the gap? How do you reverse two generations of low aspiration and welfare state dependency among sections of the British population within two years? Pointing these things out is not self-hate or lefty guilt. It's pragmatism and wanting practical answers instead of lofty rhetoric. Wait, what has brexit got to do with the shortage of skilled labour? They are two separate issues. The way you are framing it, it's like we had these things sorted pre Brexit and now we are running against the clock. l don't think that pragmatic discussion like this one are self hate. l saying that Britain is rich only because of the Empire is self hate and so is siding with people like Hamas, who Corbyn calls his friends. No it wasn't all sorted pre Brexit. But we had mechanisms for filling the gaps which won't be available. Why would a government which had no desire to sort out those problems by looking within the country before suddenly want to sort them out by looking within the country now? All that will happen is switching low skilled immigration from the EU for low skilled immigration from outside the EU. I personally don't feel that will aid integration, if that's what you're claiming to be concerned about. Across various threads you've dismissed every poster who isn't an avid Brexiter or Trump supporter as being "far left" and hating Britain. Bringing Corbyn into it just proves that. What mechanism? We had two pools. THe EU migration in wqhich every and anyone could come and settle regardless of skill and the non EU pool that we can choose. Nothing has changed in that regard. Why are you assuming that we are still going to want lots of unskilled labour? That's a illogical conclusion. l think you are projecting, putting words in my mouth and taking it too personally. l called you a far lefty recently because you appeared to be one. There are lots of unskilled jobs in the UK that need to be done, from fruit picking, to restaurants, to the care industry, in the NHS, etc etc. These jobs will still need to be done, so we will still need people to do it. There are also skilled jobs that need doing. As it has already been mentioned, lets stick to Drs. At the moment we can get doctors from outside of the EU and from inside of the EU. Employers (in this case the NHS) don't really care where they get their employees from, they just want the best candidate to fill the position. Currently the NHS can get as many Drs as they want from the EU, because of freedom of movement. The government wants to put a limit on total net migration, and to reduce it to less than 100,000. If we leave the EU and no longer have free movement, then the NHS would have to compete against all of the other businesses in the UK to get their empty Dr positions filled. But some of that 100,000 figure will be taken by footballers, some will be taken by lawyers, some will be taken by engineers, some will be taken by entrepreneurs, some will be taken by students, and some will be taken by those unskilled workers that we still need to pick crops, clean toilets, serve chips etc. etc. So do you see how that limiting of immigration will have a negative impact on businesses and services like the NHS? " Yews and the native British used to do them until very very recently. THe out of work steel workers from Sheffield used to do it. Now we are faced with racism telling us how lazy the British are. lt won't have a negative impact. What percentage of labour from the EU is skilled? l don't buy it. THe NHS suffers from mass immigration. lt should be stronger than ever as the number of migrants has never been higher but it's currently on it's knees. | |||
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" There are lots of unskilled jobs in the UK that need to be done, from fruit picking, to restaurants, to the care industry, in the NHS, etc etc. These jobs will still need to be done, so we will still need people to do it. There are also skilled jobs that need doing. As it has already been mentioned, lets stick to Drs. At the moment we can get doctors from outside of the EU and from inside of the EU. Employers (in this case the NHS) don't really care where they get their employees from, they just want the best candidate to fill the position. Currently the NHS can get as many Drs as they want from the EU, because of freedom of movement. The government wants to put a limit on total net migration, and to reduce it to less than 100,000. If we leave the EU and no longer have free movement, then the NHS would have to compete against all of the other businesses in the UK to get their empty Dr positions filled. But some of that 100,000 figure will be taken by footballers, some will be taken by lawyers, some will be taken by engineers, some will be taken by entrepreneurs, some will be taken by students, and some will be taken by those unskilled workers that we still need to pick crops, clean toilets, serve chips etc. etc. So do you see how that limiting of immigration will have a negative impact on businesses and services like the NHS? " l'm curious, is it the fella or girl l am currently talking to? | |||
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" Give me your source and l will get another. https://www.ipsos-mori.com/researchpublications/researcharchive/3746/immigration-is-now-the-top-issue-for-voters-in-the-eu-referendum.aspx We voted to leave to stop the mass migration. The only way we can do this is hard brexit, ergo that is what the people voted for." Source http://lordashcroftpolls.com/2016/06/how-the-united-kingdom-voted-and-why/ | |||
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"one. There are lots of unskilled jobs in the UK that need to be done, from fruit picking, to restaurants, to the care industry, in the NHS, etc etc. These jobs will still need to be done, so we will still need people to do it. There are also skilled jobs that need doing. As it has already been mentioned, lets stick to Drs. At the moment we can get doctors from outside of the EU and from inside of the EU. Employers (in this case the NHS) don't really care where they get their employees from, they just want the best candidate to fill the position. Currently the NHS can get as many Drs as they want from the EU, because of freedom of movement. The government wants to put a limit on total net migration, and to reduce it to less than 100,000. If we leave the EU and no longer have free movement, then the NHS would have to compete against all of the other businesses in the UK to get their empty Dr positions filled. But some of that 100,000 figure will be taken by footballers, some will be taken by lawyers, some will be taken by engineers, some will be taken by entrepreneurs, some will be taken by students, and some will be taken by those unskilled workers that we still need to pick crops, clean toilets, serve chips etc. etc. So do you see how that limiting of immigration will have a negative impact on businesses and services like the NHS? " So whats wrong with making someof the unemployed doing these unskilled jobs or are they too proud toget their hands dirty | |||
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" Give me your source and l will get another. https://www.ipsos-mori.com/researchpublications/researcharchive/3746/immigration-is-now-the-top-issue-for-voters-in-the-eu-referendum.aspx We voted to leave to stop the mass migration. The only way we can do this is hard brexit, ergo that is what the people voted for. Source http://lordashcroftpolls.com/2016/06/how-the-united-kingdom-voted-and-why/" Who would have thought it. Conflicting polls. Fortunately my argument is bolstered by the fact that immigration has been that biggest concern of the British public in general, so l don't see why it wouldn't be in regards to the EU as well. | |||
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"one. There are lots of unskilled jobs in the UK that need to be done, from fruit picking, to restaurants, to the care industry, in the NHS, etc etc. These jobs will still need to be done, so we will still need people to do it. There are also skilled jobs that need doing. As it has already been mentioned, lets stick to Drs. At the moment we can get doctors from outside of the EU and from inside of the EU. Employers (in this case the NHS) don't really care where they get their employees from, they just want the best candidate to fill the position. Currently the NHS can get as many Drs as they want from the EU, because of freedom of movement. The government wants to put a limit on total net migration, and to reduce it to less than 100,000. If we leave the EU and no longer have free movement, then the NHS would have to compete against all of the other businesses in the UK to get their empty Dr positions filled. But some of that 100,000 figure will be taken by footballers, some will be taken by lawyers, some will be taken by engineers, some will be taken by entrepreneurs, some will be taken by students, and some will be taken by those unskilled workers that we still need to pick crops, clean toilets, serve chips etc. etc. So do you see how that limiting of immigration will have a negative impact on businesses and services like the NHS? So whats wrong with making someof the unemployed doing these unskilled jobs or are they too proud toget their hands dirty " No, they aren't. Out of work Steel workers traditionally did things like veg picking. lt's a racism against British people. | |||
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"one. There are lots of unskilled jobs in the UK that need to be done, from fruit picking, to restaurants, to the care industry, in the NHS, etc etc. These jobs will still need to be done, so we will still need people to do it. There are also skilled jobs that need doing. As it has already been mentioned, lets stick to Drs. At the moment we can get doctors from outside of the EU and from inside of the EU. Employers (in this case the NHS) don't really care where they get their employees from, they just want the best candidate to fill the position. Currently the NHS can get as many Drs as they want from the EU, because of freedom of movement. The government wants to put a limit on total net migration, and to reduce it to less than 100,000. If we leave the EU and no longer have free movement, then the NHS would have to compete against all of the other businesses in the UK to get their empty Dr positions filled. But some of that 100,000 figure will be taken by footballers, some will be taken by lawyers, some will be taken by engineers, some will be taken by entrepreneurs, some will be taken by students, and some will be taken by those unskilled workers that we still need to pick crops, clean toilets, serve chips etc. etc. So do you see how that limiting of immigration will have a negative impact on businesses and services like the NHS? So whats wrong with making someof the unemployed doing these unskilled jobs or are they too proud toget their hands dirty " Well we have a low level of unemployment, and thats one of the reasons for high immigration, more jobs than people. But anyway, that doesn't address the problem of skilled workers such as doctors who take years to train. If "Brexit means Brexit", and its been approx 140 days since the referendum, where are the major announcements for extra funding for doctors for example? | |||
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"one. There are lots of unskilled jobs in the UK that need to be done, from fruit picking, to restaurants, to the care industry, in the NHS, etc etc. These jobs will still need to be done, so we will still need people to do it. There are also skilled jobs that need doing. As it has already been mentioned, lets stick to Drs. At the moment we can get doctors from outside of the EU and from inside of the EU. Employers (in this case the NHS) don't really care where they get their employees from, they just want the best candidate to fill the position. Currently the NHS can get as many Drs as they want from the EU, because of freedom of movement. The government wants to put a limit on total net migration, and to reduce it to less than 100,000. If we leave the EU and no longer have free movement, then the NHS would have to compete against all of the other businesses in the UK to get their empty Dr positions filled. But some of that 100,000 figure will be taken by footballers, some will be taken by lawyers, some will be taken by engineers, some will be taken by entrepreneurs, some will be taken by students, and some will be taken by those unskilled workers that we still need to pick crops, clean toilets, serve chips etc. etc. So do you see how that limiting of immigration will have a negative impact on businesses and services like the NHS? So whats wrong with making someof the unemployed doing these unskilled jobs or are they too proud toget their hands dirty Well we have a low level of unemployment, and thats one of the reasons for high immigration, more jobs than people. But anyway, that doesn't address the problem of skilled workers such as doctors who take years to train. If "Brexit means Brexit", and its been approx 140 days since the referendum, where are the major announcements for extra funding for doctors for example? " We are still paying the EU as we haven't left yet. | |||
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"The people voted for hard brexit. The biggest issue for the public was immigration, and the only way to slash that is to leave the single market. For the first time in my life, l'm considering moving to lsrael. l don't like where our nation is going and the undemocratic nature of it and the EU today. So if we are moving away from the EU, and looking at creating more trade with other countries, such as India, how do you feel about trade deals with them coming with caveats about relaxing visa conditions for Indians, which would increase immigration? l'd oppose it if the numbers were anything like EU migration. So you think we should control immigration, even if it costs us in trade? Yes. Culture and belonging means a lot to people. When you change the population of a country drastically very quickly, you change the culture forever. There has never been immigration on this scale of this island. And there has never been a more virulent self hate. So how much GDP are you willing to sacrifice? None yet. As any deal with lndia is hypothetical, there will be no loss. lndia needs us more than we need them. They offer cheap labour. We offer expertise. One can be found anywhere and the other cannot. "None yet" so how much GDP will you be willing to sacrifice in the future to leave the EU? Or is any lose of GDP a price too high to leave? How can there be a loss? There can only be an increase in GDP. A trade deal falling through doesn't shrink the economy. No more than market fluctuations anyway. Money money money. ls that all that matters." GDP certainly can go down. | |||
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"Nigel Farage is now to lead a 100,000 person march on the Supreme Court to protest against parliamentary sovereignty. You couldn't make this shit up now. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/11/06/nigel-farage-to-lead-100000-strong-march-on-supreme-court-on-day/ He has spun the public around and around so much they have no idea which way they are facing anymore or what they are meant to be believing in. OP it's not a March against Parliamentary sovereignty. I just watched press preview on sky news and it was described on there as a March of 100,000 to honour the result of the referendum and to call for no more delays in the Brexit process. Peaceful protest is allowed by law in this country and if Farage wants to organise a protest March he is well within his rights to do so (or do you only think It's allowed when Remainers organise a March?)" It isn't a march against Parliamentary sovereignty? Really?! Why else would he be marching on the supreme court on the day in which they will be hearing the government attempting to appeal against the ruling that laws enacted by parliament have to be repealed by parliament and not the PM using royal perogative? -Matt | |||
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"The government have already stated on more than one occasion that any shortage of labour that MIGHT be caused by our exit from the EU, and any subsequent exodus by EU workers in the UK, can and will be rectified by turning to the Commonwealth. Read into that what you will.... The isn't a shortage in labour here. There's a shortage of skilled labour. lsn't there in every country? lf there is a shortage in skilled labour, free movement is not the answer. Currently in our system, a semi literate, Eastern European can come her and stay but a Doctor from Canada or lndia cannot. We have shortage in skill and massive over abundance in unskilled labour which drives down the wages of the poor. lt's simple economics. The more abundant of something, the cheaper it becomes. Of course. But you won't train up all the required doctors and skilled workers you need within the Brexit timelines that are being discussed. What fills the gap? How do you reverse two generations of low aspiration and welfare state dependency among sections of the British population within two years? Pointing these things out is not self-hate or lefty guilt. It's pragmatism and wanting practical answers instead of lofty rhetoric. Wait, what has brexit got to do with the shortage of skilled labour? They are two separate issues. The way you are framing it, it's like we had these things sorted pre Brexit and now we are running against the clock. l don't think that pragmatic discussion like this one are self hate. l saying that Britain is rich only because of the Empire is self hate and so is siding with people like Hamas, who Corbyn calls his friends. No it wasn't all sorted pre Brexit. But we had mechanisms for filling the gaps which won't be available. Why would a government which had no desire to sort out those problems by looking within the country before suddenly want to sort them out by looking within the country now? All that will happen is switching low skilled immigration from the EU for low skilled immigration from outside the EU. I personally don't feel that will aid integration, if that's what you're claiming to be concerned about. Across various threads you've dismissed every poster who isn't an avid Brexiter or Trump supporter as being "far left" and hating Britain. Bringing Corbyn into it just proves that. And bringing in the leader of the opposition proves that? My God. He could well be Prime Minister. He's a vital player and not irrelevant. He's not a vital player. He's less than irrelevant. Unfortunately, because I'd prefer a capable Opposition." We may disagree on Brexit Ruby but have to say I agree with you that Corbyn is irrelevant. His leadership is also making the Labour party irrelevant. | |||
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"Nigel Farage is now to lead a 100,000 person march on the Supreme Court to protest against parliamentary sovereignty. You couldn't make this shit up now. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/11/06/nigel-farage-to-lead-100000-strong-march-on-supreme-court-on-day/ He has spun the public around and around so much they have no idea which way they are facing anymore or what they are meant to be believing in. OP it's not a March against Parliamentary sovereignty. I just watched press preview on sky news and it was described on there as a March of 100,000 to honour the result of the referendum and to call for no more delays in the Brexit process. Peaceful protest is allowed by law in this country and if Farage wants to organise a protest March he is well within his rights to do so (or do you only think It's allowed when Remainers organise a March?) It isn't a march against Parliamentary sovereignty? Really?! Why else would he be marching on the supreme court on the day in which they will be hearing the government attempting to appeal against the ruling that laws enacted by parliament have to be repealed by parliament and not the PM using royal perogative? -Matt" It really is rich of Remainers to talk about protecting parliamentary sovereignty when they want to stay in the EU and hand over our Parliamentary sovereignty on a plate to the EU elite in Brussels. As for the March it is a March to reaffirm the result of the referendum, and to say the result should be respected and not obstructed in any way. 52% voted to leave the EU in the referendum, democracy should be respected, the will of the people should be carried through and the government should now be allowed to get on with the job of leaving the European Union. | |||
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"This thread seems to have gone off kilter a bit ! What do you all think about the proposed march ? I want out but I don't think this is a good idea "Waste of time. If it makes these people feel all better then great. It won't, and shouldn't, change the verdict of the Supreme Court. But I also hope they all get drenched with water cannon, just for being really fucking annoying. | |||
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"It is no fantasy, it happened in January at a service station in January at junction 8 services on the M20. The press reported it as a clash between facists and anti facists. But the bit they failed to mention is that by charging at the head hunters reunion party, the antis got themselves battered. They were hiding in their coaches as they were trashed, windows smashed the lot. I spoke to a mate of mine who works there, he said that people were getting business cards stapled to their heads. He said he and other staff members had bolted the doors shut for their own safety." you really don't know how wrong you are | |||
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"I do think we need to get away from everything been about money ! It's not the only thing that matters ! It enables everything else we hold dear in terms of services and institutions, so yes, it's about the money for me." Yet money has nothing to do with belonging, culture, community, family national pride . Britain has lost itself along the way | |||
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"The people voted for hard brexit. The biggest issue for the public was immigration, and the only way to slash that is to leave the single market. For the first time in my life, l'm considering moving to lsrael. l don't like where our nation is going and the undemocratic nature of it and the EU today. So if we are moving away from the EU, and looking at creating more trade with other countries, such as India, how do you feel about trade deals with them coming with caveats about relaxing visa conditions for Indians, which would increase immigration? l'd oppose it if the numbers were anything like EU migration. So you think we should control immigration, even if it costs us in trade? Yes. Culture and belonging means a lot to people. When you change the population of a country drastically very quickly, you change the culture forever. There has never been immigration on this scale of this island. And there has never been a more virulent self hate. So how much GDP are you willing to sacrifice? None yet. As any deal with lndia is hypothetical, there will be no loss. lndia needs us more than we need them. They offer cheap labour. We offer expertise. One can be found anywhere and the other cannot. "None yet" so how much GDP will you be willing to sacrifice in the future to leave the EU? Or is any lose of GDP a price too high to leave? How can there be a loss? There can only be an increase in GDP. A trade deal falling through doesn't shrink the economy. No more than market fluctuations anyway. Money money money. ls that all that matters. GDP certainly can go down. " Yes but not over one deal. | |||
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"The people voted for hard brexit. The biggest issue for the public was immigration, and the only way to slash that is to leave the single market. For the first time in my life, l'm considering moving to lsrael. l don't like where our nation is going and the undemocratic nature of it and the EU today. So if we are moving away from the EU, and looking at creating more trade with other countries, such as India, how do you feel about trade deals with them coming with caveats about relaxing visa conditions for Indians, which would increase immigration? l'd oppose it if the numbers were anything like EU migration. So you think we should control immigration, even if it costs us in trade? Yes. Culture and belonging means a lot to people. When you change the population of a country drastically very quickly, you change the culture forever. There has never been immigration on this scale of this island. And there has never been a more virulent self hate. So how much GDP are you willing to sacrifice? None yet. As any deal with lndia is hypothetical, there will be no loss. lndia needs us more than we need them. They offer cheap labour. We offer expertise. One can be found anywhere and the other cannot. "None yet" so how much GDP will you be willing to sacrifice in the future to leave the EU? Or is any lose of GDP a price too high to leave? How can there be a loss? There can only be an increase in GDP. A trade deal falling through doesn't shrink the economy. No more than market fluctuations anyway. Money money money. ls that all that matters. GDP certainly can go down. Yes but not over one deal. " GDP will go down if we the EU, neither side dispute that. The difference between the two sides is that Leave say GDP will go down from less trade with Europe, but trade with other, non-EU nations will increase, therefore cancelling out the lost GDP from EU trade, possibly increasing the total GDP. The Remain side say that you wont earn as much by increasing trade with the non-EU countries, as we will lose from trading with the EU. Do we all agree with that summary? | |||
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" Give me your source and l will get another. https://www.ipsos-mori.com/researchpublications/researcharchive/3746/immigration-is-now-the-top-issue-for-voters-in-the-eu-referendum.aspx We voted to leave to stop the mass migration. The only way we can do this is hard brexit, ergo that is what the people voted for. Source http://lordashcroftpolls.com/2016/06/how-the-united-kingdom-voted-and-why/ Who would have thought it. Conflicting polls. Fortunately my argument is bolstered by the fact that immigration has been that biggest concern of the British public in general, so l don't see why it wouldn't be in regards to the EU as well." lol, your hunch bolsters your own argument!!??? There's a logical fallacy. Your link was to a week before the refrerendum and even that shows the biggest issue was immigration for only 33%, which is inline with the post referendum poll of how people had just actually voted. As for your assertion that immigration was the BIGGEST concern of the population, well I'd suggest that this is nonsense for the following reasons. In general elections comparatively small numbers voted for UKIP and before that the BNP. What they mainly concerned themselves with were jobs, the economy, that sort of thing. That is why Conservative and Labour picked up more votes. And in the referendum 13 million didn't vote at all, so can't really have cared about immigration that much and 16 million voted Remain, so they definitely didn't care about it as much as other issues. Like I say about 12.5% of the population really care most about immigration. Some of them are racists. Some of them have been misled for years by headlines in the Sun/Mail/Express newspapers. I'm just trying to keep you factually correct so you don't OVERplay the issue, I'm not saying immigration isn't an important issue to many more than 1/8 of the country, just that if it came to a choice they will put other things first. 48% of those who voted will put the single market first, so they only need to pick up 2% of Leave voters to decide the single market is more important or persuade a number of non voters and MP's can not only use their own judgement they won't even be overriding the wishes of constituents in most cases. | |||
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"I do think we need to get away from everything been about money ! It's not the only thing that matters ! It enables everything else we hold dear in terms of services and institutions, so yes, it's about the money for me. Yet money has nothing to do with belonging, culture, community, family national pride . Britain has lost itself along the way" The problem is social engineering, people are being taught that being patriotic is a bad thing if of course you are a Brit. They start it early, with lovey dovy lefty liberal children's television, then carry it on when they go to school. Of course everyone else is to be proud of who they are and where they come from. A good example of this is the difference between the way British people are encouraged to celebrate St Patrick's Day but not St Georges. Pathetic little things like a bus station in Dewsbury being told by bosses to remove a nativity scene from display, as it might offend Muslims. We are going to hell on a handcart, and everyone is just allowing it to happen  | |||
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"I do think we need to get away from everything been about money ! It's not the only thing that matters ! It enables everything else we hold dear in terms of services and institutions, so yes, it's about the money for me. Yet money has nothing to do with belonging, culture, community, family national pride . Britain has lost itself along the way The problem is social engineering, people are being taught that being patriotic is a bad thing if of course you are a Brit. They start it early, with lovey dovy lefty liberal children's television, then carry it on when they go to school. Of course everyone else is to be proud of who they are and where they come from. A good example of this is the difference between the way British people are encouraged to celebrate St Patrick's Day but not St Georges. Pathetic little things like a bus station in Dewsbury being told by bosses to remove a nativity scene from display, as it might offend Muslims. We are going to hell on a handcart, and everyone is just allowing it to happen "Im pretty sure you are just getting confused with a marketing campaign for Guiness. | |||
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"I do think we need to get away from everything been about money ! It's not the only thing that matters ! It enables everything else we hold dear in terms of services and institutions, so yes, it's about the money for me. Yet money has nothing to do with belonging, culture, community, family national pride . Britain has lost itself along the way The problem is social engineering, people are being taught that being patriotic is a bad thing if of course you are a Brit. They start it early, with lovey dovy lefty liberal children's television, then carry it on when they go to school. Of course everyone else is to be proud of who they are and where they come from. A good example of this is the difference between the way British people are encouraged to celebrate St Patrick's Day but not St Georges. Pathetic little things like a bus station in Dewsbury being told by bosses to remove a nativity scene from display, as it might offend Muslims. We are going to hell on a handcart, and everyone is just allowing it to happen "You are Richard Littlejohn and I claim my £5 | |||
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"I do think we need to get away from everything been about money ! It's not the only thing that matters ! It enables everything else we hold dear in terms of services and institutions, so yes, it's about the money for me. Yet money has nothing to do with belonging, culture, community, family national pride . Britain has lost itself along the way The problem is social engineering, people are being taught that being patriotic is a bad thing if of course you are a Brit. They start it early, with lovey dovy lefty liberal children's television, then carry it on when they go to school. Of course everyone else is to be proud of who they are and where they come from. A good example of this is the difference between the way British people are encouraged to celebrate St Patrick's Day but not St Georges. Pathetic little things like a bus station in Dewsbury being told by bosses to remove a nativity scene from display, as it might offend Muslims. We are going to hell on a handcart, and everyone is just allowing it to happen "encouraged by whom ? | |||
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" encouraged by whom ? Guinness®? Pubs? I love a drop of the stuff.. "
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"'Pathetic little things like a bus station in Dewsbury being told by bosses to remove a nativity scene from display, as it might offend Muslims.' which won't have happened. Oh it did happen, I was staying with friends in nearby Heckmondwike at the time. Funnily enough it was never reported on outside of local rags. But then it, and all other similar occurrences never would be..." OK, please find us the reference in said local rags. | |||
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"'Pathetic little things like a bus station in Dewsbury being told by bosses to remove a nativity scene from display, as it might offend Muslims.' which won't have happened. Oh it did happen, I was staying with friends in nearby Heckmondwike at the time. Funnily enough it was never reported on outside of local rags. But then it, and all other similar occurrences never would be... OK, please find us the reference in said local rags." This was 2003, and no I cannot find anything online. That doesn't mean it didn't happen. Just that as usual this sort of thing does not get much if any publicity. | |||
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"'Pathetic little things like a bus station in Dewsbury being told by bosses to remove a nativity scene from display, as it might offend Muslims.' which won't have happened. Oh it did happen, I was staying with friends in nearby Heckmondwike at the time. Funnily enough it was never reported on outside of local rags. But then it, and all other similar occurrences never would be... OK, please find us the reference in said local rags. This was 2003, and no I cannot find anything online. That doesn't mean it didn't happen. Just that as usual this sort of thing does not get much if any publicity." True, but I cite all of my sources. It kind of makes it more believable. The vast majority of such reports are rubbish as I'm sure you know, so citing sources helps us to out the false to get to the truth. | |||
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"'Pathetic little things like a bus station in Dewsbury being told by bosses to remove a nativity scene from display, as it might offend Muslims.' which won't have happened. Oh it did happen, I was staying with friends in nearby Heckmondwike at the time. Funnily enough it was never reported on outside of local rags. But then it, and all other similar occurrences never would be... OK, please find us the reference in said local rags. This was 2003, and no I cannot find anything online. That doesn't mean it didn't happen. Just that as usual this sort of thing does not get much if any publicity." Of course. I thought it would be something like that. So, if this was 2003, what has been happening since? Are there pitched battles going on every year to show the muslims whose country this is? There must be continuous local outrage and letters to the press every year? | |||
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"I do think we need to get away from everything been about money ! It's not the only thing that matters ! It enables everything else we hold dear in terms of services and institutions, so yes, it's about the money for me. Yet money has nothing to do with belonging, culture, community, family national pride . Britain has lost itself along the way The problem is social engineering, people are being taught that being patriotic is a bad thing if of course you are a Brit. They start it early, with lovey dovy lefty liberal children's television, then carry it on when they go to school. Of course everyone else is to be proud of who they are and where they come from. A good example of this is the difference between the way British people are encouraged to celebrate St Patrick's Day but not St Georges. Pathetic little things like a bus station in Dewsbury being told by bosses to remove a nativity scene from display, as it might offend Muslims. We are going to hell on a handcart, and everyone is just allowing it to happen "Everyone should accept that the UK is a Christian country . If people do not like the idea of being in a Christian country they are of course welcome to relocate . | |||
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"Nigel Farage is now to lead a 100,000 person march on the Supreme Court to protest against parliamentary sovereignty. You couldn't make this shit up now. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/11/06/nigel-farage-to-lead-100000-strong-march-on-supreme-court-on-day/ He has spun the public around and around so much they have no idea which way they are facing anymore or what they are meant to be believing in. OP it's not a March against Parliamentary sovereignty. I just watched press preview on sky news and it was described on there as a March of 100,000 to honour the result of the referendum and to call for no more delays in the Brexit process. Peaceful protest is allowed by law in this country and if Farage wants to organise a protest March he is well within his rights to do so (or do you only think It's allowed when Remainers organise a March?) It isn't a march against Parliamentary sovereignty? Really?! Why else would he be marching on the supreme court on the day in which they will be hearing the government attempting to appeal against the ruling that laws enacted by parliament have to be repealed by parliament and not the PM using royal perogative? -Matt It really is rich of Remainers to talk about protecting parliamentary sovereignty when they want to stay in the EU and hand over our Parliamentary sovereignty on a plate to the EU elite in Brussels. As for the March it is a March to reaffirm the result of the referendum, and to say the result should be respected and not obstructed in any way. 52% voted to leave the EU in the referendum, democracy should be respected, the will of the people should be carried through and the government should now be allowed to get on with the job of leaving the European Union. " Sorry, are you saying that somehow the UK parliament decided to be a part of the EU and get the benefits of the EU in return for contributing financially to it due to... what? Some random cosmic brain fart somewhere? There was due parliamentary process (and a referendum) on being a part of the EU in the first place. Now all I want is similar parliamentary debate on the process going forward. What you are asking for is the PM to invoke an action with NO PLAN as to what that action will result in. What is she aiming for? No freedom of movement? Access to common market? Corporate passports? You do know that the UK voted on the 'winning' side of all but 2% of the directives that have been voted on since we've been a member of the EU? And when I says 'UK' I mean the MEPs that we elected to that position to represent us. So who exactly are you upset with? The MEPs we elected, the likes of Nigel Farage? Well... sorry... but don't elect such imbeciles to that position then. And if you want to make it about immigration then fine go ahead. Don't let the actual facts get in the way that the UK is not a part of Schengen and hence has *more* control over it's borders than most of the EU and *already* has the ability to set it's own border and immigration policies should we wish to. The reason we don't is probably because it would be just as much of a political hot potato as it is now, and that the actual numbers show that this inward migration is a net *positive* for our economy, let alone our culture and society. Oh sorry, The Sun told you that the entrity of Turkey are just minutes away from all moving over here. -Matt | |||
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"Yes we are apparently a Christian country, only problem is less than 5% of the Christian population have attended church in the last twelve months....." it's 1.3% average attendance at sunday services | |||
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"Yes we are apparently a Christian country, only problem is less than 5% of the Christian population have attended church in the last twelve months..... it's 1.3% average attendance at sunday services" It still means we are Christian country and it is part of our heritage . You do not need to attend church to be a Christian though it is better if you do. | |||
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"Yes we are apparently a Christian country, only problem is less than 5% of the Christian population have attended church in the last twelve months....." That might well be the case, but we still celebrate Christmas and Easter. These Christian holidays are not just traditional, they are part of who we are. The economy depends on us spending millions on Christmas, and between us we always do. A great Christmas is the best way to end the year, and nobody is entitled to even try to stop us. | |||
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"Yes we are apparently a Christian country, only problem is less than 5% of the Christian population have attended church in the last twelve months..... That might well be the case, but we still celebrate Christmas and Easter. These Christian holidays are not just traditional, they are part of who we are. The economy depends on us spending millions on Christmas, and between us we always do. A great Christmas is the best way to end the year, and nobody is entitled to even try to stop us." Nobody is trying to stop you though. That's the point. | |||
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"Nigel Farage is now to lead a 100,000 person march on the Supreme Court to protest against parliamentary sovereignty. You couldn't make this shit up now. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/11/06/nigel-farage-to-lead-100000-strong-march-on-supreme-court-on-day/ He has spun the public around and around so much they have no idea which way they are facing anymore or what they are meant to be believing in. OP it's not a March against Parliamentary sovereignty. I just watched press preview on sky news and it was described on there as a March of 100,000 to honour the result of the referendum and to call for no more delays in the Brexit process. Peaceful protest is allowed by law in this country and if Farage wants to organise a protest March he is well within his rights to do so (or do you only think It's allowed when Remainers organise a March?) It isn't a march against Parliamentary sovereignty? Really?! Why else would he be marching on the supreme court on the day in which they will be hearing the government attempting to appeal against the ruling that laws enacted by parliament have to be repealed by parliament and not the PM using royal perogative? -Matt It really is rich of Remainers to talk about protecting parliamentary sovereignty when they want to stay in the EU and hand over our Parliamentary sovereignty on a plate to the EU elite in Brussels. As for the March it is a March to reaffirm the result of the referendum, and to say the result should be respected and not obstructed in any way. 52% voted to leave the EU in the referendum, democracy should be respected, the will of the people should be carried through and the government should now be allowed to get on with the job of leaving the European Union. Sorry, are you saying that somehow the UK parliament decided to be a part of the EU and get the benefits of the EU in return for contributing financially to it due to... what? Some random cosmic brain fart somewhere? There was due parliamentary process (and a referendum) on being a part of the EU in the first place. Now all I want is similar parliamentary debate on the process going forward. What you are asking for is the PM to invoke an action with NO PLAN as to what that action will result in. What is she aiming for? No freedom of movement? Access to common market? Corporate passports? You do know that the UK voted on the 'winning' side of all but 2% of the directives that have been voted on since we've been a member of the EU? And when I says 'UK' I mean the MEPs that we elected to that position to represent us. So who exactly are you upset with? The MEPs we elected, the likes of Nigel Farage? Well... sorry... but don't elect such imbeciles to that position then. And if you want to make it about immigration then fine go ahead. Don't let the actual facts get in the way that the UK is not a part of Schengen and hence has *more* control over it's borders than most of the EU and *already* has the ability to set it's own border and immigration policies should we wish to. The reason we don't is probably because it would be just as much of a political hot potato as it is now, and that the actual numbers show that this inward migration is a net *positive* for our economy, let alone our culture and society. Oh sorry, The Sun told you that the entrity of Turkey are just minutes away from all moving over here. -Matt" there was no referendum on joining the EU. The government simply signed us up to it in 1993. | |||
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"Nigel Farage is now to lead a 100,000 person march on the Supreme Court to protest against parliamentary sovereignty. You couldn't make this shit up now. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/11/06/nigel-farage-to-lead-100000-strong-march-on-supreme-court-on-day/ He has spun the public around and around so much they have no idea which way they are facing anymore or what they are meant to be believing in. OP it's not a March against Parliamentary sovereignty. I just watched press preview on sky news and it was described on there as a March of 100,000 to honour the result of the referendum and to call for no more delays in the Brexit process. Peaceful protest is allowed by law in this country and if Farage wants to organise a protest March he is well within his rights to do so (or do you only think It's allowed when Remainers organise a March?) It isn't a march against Parliamentary sovereignty? Really?! Why else would he be marching on the supreme court on the day in which they will be hearing the government attempting to appeal against the ruling that laws enacted by parliament have to be repealed by parliament and not the PM using royal perogative? -Matt It really is rich of Remainers to talk about protecting parliamentary sovereignty when they want to stay in the EU and hand over our Parliamentary sovereignty on a plate to the EU elite in Brussels. As for the March it is a March to reaffirm the result of the referendum, and to say the result should be respected and not obstructed in any way. 52% voted to leave the EU in the referendum, democracy should be respected, the will of the people should be carried through and the government should now be allowed to get on with the job of leaving the European Union. Sorry, are you saying that somehow the UK parliament decided to be a part of the EU and get the benefits of the EU in return for contributing financially to it due to... what? Some random cosmic brain fart somewhere? There was due parliamentary process (and a referendum) on being a part of the EU in the first place. Now all I want is similar parliamentary debate on the process going forward. What you are asking for is the PM to invoke an action with NO PLAN as to what that action will result in. What is she aiming for? No freedom of movement? Access to common market? Corporate passports? You do know that the UK voted on the 'winning' side of all but 2% of the directives that have been voted on since we've been a member of the EU? And when I says 'UK' I mean the MEPs that we elected to that position to represent us. So who exactly are you upset with? The MEPs we elected, the likes of Nigel Farage? Well... sorry... but don't elect such imbeciles to that position then. And if you want to make it about immigration then fine go ahead. Don't let the actual facts get in the way that the UK is not a part of Schengen and hence has *more* control over it's borders than most of the EU and *already* has the ability to set it's own border and immigration policies should we wish to. The reason we don't is probably because it would be just as much of a political hot potato as it is now, and that the actual numbers show that this inward migration is a net *positive* for our economy, let alone our culture and society. Oh sorry, The Sun told you that the entrity of Turkey are just minutes away from all moving over here. -Matt there was no referendum on joining the EU. The government simply signed us up to it in 1993. My bad it was a referendum to join the precursor of the EU, the EEC. -Matt ok thanks, thing is the EEC in 1975 was nothing like what it decided to become in 1993 ie the European Union and the people should have been allowed to say whether they wanted to be a part of it. Been made aware of EU aims and possible consequences. I don't even think Parliament was asked about it, the treaty was simply signed by the government. Funny thing is, if we'd had a referendum then on joining we probably wouldn't be leaving now" It was called the Maastrict treaty wasn't it, and it was John Major who signed us into the EU in 1993. He said in Parliament at the time "don't tie my hands". Where were the likes of Gina Miller then taking John Major to the high court and shrieks and yelps from Remainers about Parliamentary sovereignty and parliamentary process being followed???? | |||
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"Nigel Farage is now to lead a 100,000 person march on the Supreme Court to protest against parliamentary sovereignty. You couldn't make this shit up now. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/11/06/nigel-farage-to-lead-100000-strong-march-on-supreme-court-on-day/ He has spun the public around and around so much they have no idea which way they are facing anymore or what they are meant to be believing in. OP it's not a March against Parliamentary sovereignty. I just watched press preview on sky news and it was described on there as a March of 100,000 to honour the result of the referendum and to call for no more delays in the Brexit process. Peaceful protest is allowed by law in this country and if Farage wants to organise a protest March he is well within his rights to do so (or do you only think It's allowed when Remainers organise a March?) It isn't a march against Parliamentary sovereignty? Really?! Why else would he be marching on the supreme court on the day in which they will be hearing the government attempting to appeal against the ruling that laws enacted by parliament have to be repealed by parliament and not the PM using royal perogative? -Matt It really is rich of Remainers to talk about protecting parliamentary sovereignty when they want to stay in the EU and hand over our Parliamentary sovereignty on a plate to the EU elite in Brussels. As for the March it is a March to reaffirm the result of the referendum, and to say the result should be respected and not obstructed in any way. 52% voted to leave the EU in the referendum, democracy should be respected, the will of the people should be carried through and the government should now be allowed to get on with the job of leaving the European Union. Sorry, are you saying that somehow the UK parliament decided to be a part of the EU and get the benefits of the EU in return for contributing financially to it due to... what? Some random cosmic brain fart somewhere? There was due parliamentary process (and a referendum) on being a part of the EU in the first place. Now all I want is similar parliamentary debate on the process going forward. What you are asking for is the PM to invoke an action with NO PLAN as to what that action will result in. What is she aiming for? No freedom of movement? Access to common market? Corporate passports? You do know that the UK voted on the 'winning' side of all but 2% of the directives that have been voted on since we've been a member of the EU? And when I says 'UK' I mean the MEPs that we elected to that position to represent us. So who exactly are you upset with? The MEPs we elected, the likes of Nigel Farage? Well... sorry... but don't elect such imbeciles to that position then. And if you want to make it about immigration then fine go ahead. Don't let the actual facts get in the way that the UK is not a part of Schengen and hence has *more* control over it's borders than most of the EU and *already* has the ability to set it's own border and immigration policies should we wish to. The reason we don't is probably because it would be just as much of a political hot potato as it is now, and that the actual numbers show that this inward migration is a net *positive* for our economy, let alone our culture and society. Oh sorry, The Sun told you that the entrity of Turkey are just minutes away from all moving over here. -Matt there was no referendum on joining the EU. The government simply signed us up to it in 1993. My bad it was a referendum to join the precursor of the EU, the EEC. -Matt ok thanks, thing is the EEC in 1975 was nothing like what it decided to become in 1993 ie the European Union and the people should have been allowed to say whether they wanted to be a part of it. Been made aware of EU aims and possible consequences. I don't even think Parliament was asked about it, the treaty was simply signed by the government. Funny thing is, if we'd had a referendum then on joining we probably wouldn't be leaving now Would you go on the March if Thier is one ? not that one no Yes same here , but at the right time and place I may do . I'm a 100 per cent for out . And can't say I have wavered ! I think there are millions who would, it would be the biggest march ever seen anywhere, which is why it won't come to that "I think it may do , but I fear it would be a pitched battle ! | |||
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"Yes we are apparently a Christian country, only problem is less than 5% of the Christian population have attended church in the last twelve months..... That might well be the case, but we still celebrate Christmas and Easter. These Christian holidays are not just traditional, they are part of who we are. The economy depends on us spending millions on Christmas, and between us we always do. A great Christmas is the best way to end the year, and nobody is entitled to even try to stop us." You obviously never saw the Bishop of Durham on TV last week complaining how British 'Christians' celebrate Halloween far more than they celebrate Easter....I also don't think the fact that we spend over a Billion pounds at Christmas offers any proof that we are practising Christians....it just offers proof that Christmas is more important to our retail sector because of the inflated income it offers up. | |||
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"Yes we are apparently a Christian country, only problem is less than 5% of the Christian population have attended church in the last twelve months..... That might well be the case, but we still celebrate Christmas and Easter. These Christian holidays are not just traditional, they are part of who we are. The economy depends on us spending millions on Christmas, and between us we always do. A great Christmas is the best way to end the year, and nobody is entitled to even try to stop us. You obviously never saw the Bishop of Durham on TV last week complaining how British 'Christians' celebrate Halloween far more than they celebrate Easter....I also don't think the fact that we spend over a Billion pounds at Christmas offers any proof that we are practising Christians....it just offers proof that Christmas is more important to our retail sector because of the inflated income it offers up." Valentines day, mothers day, easter, fathers day, halloween, what do they have in common? If we were truly a Christian country, instead of halloween, we'd celebrate the day after surely? | |||
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"Yes we are apparently a Christian country, only problem is less than 5% of the Christian population have attended church in the last twelve months..... That might well be the case, but we still celebrate Christmas and Easter. These Christian holidays are not just traditional, they are part of who we are. The economy depends on us spending millions on Christmas, and between us we always do. A great Christmas is the best way to end the year, and nobody is entitled to even try to stop us. Nobody is trying to stop you though. That's the point. " Now don't be spoiling his fears with facts Ruby.. someone must be to blame for the perceived ills of some of our fellow citizens after all.. | |||
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"Nigel Farage is now to lead a 100,000 person march on the Supreme Court to protest against parliamentary sovereignty. You couldn't make this shit up now. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/11/06/nigel-farage-to-lead-100000-strong-march-on-supreme-court-on-day/ He has spun the public around and around so much they have no idea which way they are facing anymore or what they are meant to be believing in. OP it's not a March against Parliamentary sovereignty. I just watched press preview on sky news and it was described on there as a March of 100,000 to honour the result of the referendum and to call for no more delays in the Brexit process. Peaceful protest is allowed by law in this country and if Farage wants to organise a protest March he is well within his rights to do so (or do you only think It's allowed when Remainers organise a March?) It isn't a march against Parliamentary sovereignty? Really?! Why else would he be marching on the supreme court on the day in which they will be hearing the government attempting to appeal against the ruling that laws enacted by parliament have to be repealed by parliament and not the PM using royal perogative? -Matt It really is rich of Remainers to talk about protecting parliamentary sovereignty when they want to stay in the EU and hand over our Parliamentary sovereignty on a plate to the EU elite in Brussels. As for the March it is a March to reaffirm the result of the referendum, and to say the result should be respected and not obstructed in any way. 52% voted to leave the EU in the referendum, democracy should be respected, the will of the people should be carried through and the government should now be allowed to get on with the job of leaving the European Union. Sorry, are you saying that somehow the UK parliament decided to be a part of the EU and get the benefits of the EU in return for contributing financially to it due to... what? Some random cosmic brain fart somewhere? There was due parliamentary process (and a referendum) on being a part of the EU in the first place. Now all I want is similar parliamentary debate on the process going forward. What you are asking for is the PM to invoke an action with NO PLAN as to what that action will result in. What is she aiming for? No freedom of movement? Access to common market? Corporate passports? You do know that the UK voted on the 'winning' side of all but 2% of the directives that have been voted on since we've been a member of the EU? And when I says 'UK' I mean the MEPs that we elected to that position to represent us. So who exactly are you upset with? The MEPs we elected, the likes of Nigel Farage? Well... sorry... but don't elect such imbeciles to that position then. And if you want to make it about immigration then fine go ahead. Don't let the actual facts get in the way that the UK is not a part of Schengen and hence has *more* control over it's borders than most of the EU and *already* has the ability to set it's own border and immigration policies should we wish to. The reason we don't is probably because it would be just as much of a political hot potato as it is now, and that the actual numbers show that this inward migration is a net *positive* for our economy, let alone our culture and society. Oh sorry, The Sun told you that the entrity of Turkey are just minutes away from all moving over here. -Matt there was no referendum on joining the EU. The government simply signed us up to it in 1993. My bad it was a referendum to join the precursor of the EU, the EEC. -Matt ok thanks, thing is the EEC in 1975 was nothing like what it decided to become in 1993 ie the European Union and the people should have been allowed to say whether they wanted to be a part of it. Been made aware of EU aims and possible consequences. I don't even think Parliament was asked about it, the treaty was simply signed by the government. Funny thing is, if we'd had a referendum then on joining we probably wouldn't be leaving now Would you go on the March if Thier is one ? not that one no" I'll be there if not working | |||
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"When we lived in the London area Diwali was by far the happiest, friendliest religious holiday we ever saw celebrated, total strangers would greet you in the street and offer tiny cakes and Indian sweets....... Not unlike Easter back in my childhood, but virtually forgotten now." Good gods man! Are you seriously trying to suggest that a non-christian feast has a place in Britain? This is a christian country! What are y9u playing at? | |||
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I know.....I'm worrying now that 'The secret plan' society might be logging all of this for the day of reckoning....."The million person (sorry if that's too PC!) march will swing by your house! | |||
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"When we lived in the London area Diwali was by far the happiest, friendliest religious holiday we ever saw celebrated, total strangers would greet you in the street and offer tiny cakes and Indian sweets....... Not unlike Easter back in my childhood, but virtually forgotten now. Good gods man! Are you seriously trying to suggest that a non-christian feast has a place in Britain? This is a christian country! What are y9u playing at?
I know.....I'm worrying now that 'The secret plan' society might be logging all of this for the day of reckoning.....
The million person (sorry if that's too PC!) march will swing by your house!"I can just picture it now.....the winter sun reflecting off of their perfectly polished boots.... | |||
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I know.....I'm worrying now that 'The secret plan' society might be logging all of this for the day of reckoning.....
The million person (sorry if that's too PC!) march will swing by your house!
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