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"It looks like our government have promised Nissan that there will be no change in the terms that govern the movement of cars from the UK into the rest of the EU. I believe that is what is now refereed to as a soft BREXIT. I expect that many of those who want a hard BREXIT will find that a betrayal." They certainly won't if it means free movement.... | |||
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"How will Ms May's Government deliver the promises made to Nissan in order to get them to announce their latest investment? Does anyone really believe the the EU will not have something to say about this? Personally I think it is nothing more than tilting at windmills and that the British people will end up paying a heavy price for this piece of political manoeuvring." By getting 'the best possible deal'? Clever wording, whatever deal eventually arrives it meets this statement. Can't see Nissan staying long term, doesn't matter how productive you are if you can't have free access to Europe. Sunderland had large Brexit majority, turkeys voting for Christmas! | |||
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" if that is the "aim"..... what happens if the UK doesn't get it in the final deal? does this mean nissan has to be compensated?" I think we are seeing what it means now | |||
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"Seems like the Government made false promises again I can fully understand why a Buisness would say Time to leave this sinking ship." lol leave this sinking ship do you wach the news there not leaving no jobs are going | |||
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"Any promises made to Nissan should be null and void now. They are not going to keep the production they had said they were going to do here, give em fuck all..." I’m sure they factored this in when making their decision. Indeed I wouldn’t be suprised if they think they’d get the money anyway given how sensitive the NE would be to job losses ... | |||
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"Seems like the Government made false promises again I can fully understand why a Buisness would say Time to leave this sinking ship.lol leave this sinking ship do you wach the news there not leaving no jobs are going " Just none being created. And low investment means it makes the future a bit more wobbly once whatever they build now becomes outdated. | |||
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"Seems like the Government made false promises again I can fully understand why a Buisness would say Time to leave this sinking ship.lol leave this sinking ship do you wach the news there not leaving no jobs are going Just none being created. And low investment means it makes the future a bit more wobbly once whatever they build now becomes outdated. " there just not making the x-trail there there still investing and there’s more cars to come no job loses | |||
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"Any promises made to Nissan should be null and void now. They are not going to keep the production they had said they were going to do here, give em fuck all..." Trying to drive them out eh? That's strategic genius | |||
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"Seems like the Government made false promises again I can fully understand why a Buisness would say Time to leave this sinking ship.lol leave this sinking ship do you wach the news there not leaving no jobs are going Just none being created. And low investment means it makes the future a bit more wobbly once whatever they build now becomes outdated. there just not making the x-trail there there still investing and there’s more cars to come no job loses " Are you not able to see over the horizon? Just think it through... Japan and the EU have just signed a detailed FTA which cannot be bettered by anything that the UK can have with Japan. There is no long term need for any Japanese manufacturer to produce goods for use in Japan or the EU in a high-cost economy that is outside of either Japan or the EU. That direction of travel is now inevitable and the reason that car manufacturing failed previously in the UK is that it is not cost effective to build solely for the UK market. As was mentioned on the other thread, I dont see car manufacturers immediately upping sticks but the start will be an invisible impact in as much as the UK will just be ignored for future investment, next comes re-investment as jigs and production lines and/or models approach the end of their life and Companies then wind down that production. It starts with no future investment, and no new jobs (but fortunately no immediate job lossess). Then comes gradual redundancies as production lines slow down and finally come the closures. Perhaps you could come up with a simple and coherent argument as to why there would be future investments in the UK car manufacturing industry? It seems like a secret £80 million bung from the Government was not enough for Nissan. | |||
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"Seems like the Government made false promises again I can fully understand why a Buisness would say Time to leave this sinking ship.lol leave this sinking ship do you wach the news there not leaving no jobs are going Just none being created. And low investment means it makes the future a bit more wobbly once whatever they build now becomes outdated. " " To produce as many cars as it does, Lawther explained, Nissan Sunderland needs to receive and fit 5m parts each day. Of these parts, 85% are imported, mainly from Europe. The plant holds only enough parts for half a day’s production, because it is expensive to store them, so the whole multi-billion pound operation relies on these millions of parts arriving daily with no barriers or customs delays. Because Britain is currently part of the EU, this is a straightforward process. Each of the 28 EU member states belongs to the single market, which has been designed to facilitate trade by removing tariffs, as well as other trade and customs barriers. Rather than having 28 different industrial safety regulations, for instance, there is a single set of regulations that applies across all member states. The single market means trade between 28 different countries is free, fast and “frictionless”, just as it would be if the EU were one very large country. “Frictionless trade has enabled the growth that has seen our Sunderland plant become the biggest factory in the history of the UK car industry, exporting more than half of its production to the EU,” Nissan said, in a statement for this article." It goes on " If Britain leaves the EU without securing an agreement for continued frictionless trade – the “hard Brexit” outcome – Britain’s trading relationships would be regulated by World Trade Organisation rules, which do not allow for agreed product standards, and therefore will require customs checks at the borders with Europe. The rules also impose tariffs, including 10% on cars, 4.5% on car parts. For Nissan’s Sunderland operation, Lawther told the committee, as well as likely new delays at the borders, the impact of tariffs will add up to around £500m per year of additional costs, which would be “pretty disastrous”." So what buisness do you know that can sustain an extra half a billion quid a year in running costs , without losing jobs ? Dont just whatch the news Try reading a bit as well . | |||
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"Too-hot I don’t have a crystal ball like u mate I am just going of my local news the new qashqi is still going to be built there also the juke and there still committed to long term investments but I’m a leave voter so I’m probably making this shit up mate id look more at the demise of Deisel engines that was probably going to happen with or with out brexit " Can you really not see the potential negative impact on the U.K. of one of the most all encompassing free trade agreements ever agreed between the EU and Japan? What purpose is the U.K. now for future investment from any Company that is looking to sell into the EU or Japan? It seems to me that Brexit ideology is driving this country to a really dangerous place. A place where denial of the obvious is all that is needed to “survive” | |||
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"Seems like the Government made false promises again I can fully understand why a Buisness would say Time to leave this sinking ship." No, Nissan agreed to make the X-trail at Sunderland in return for an £80 million investment package from the government. It's Nissan who have broken their end of the bargain. | |||
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"Seems like the Government made false promises again I can fully understand why a Buisness would say Time to leave this sinking ship.lol leave this sinking ship do you wach the news there not leaving no jobs are going Just none being created. And low investment means it makes the future a bit more wobbly once whatever they build now becomes outdated. " It's not going to be outdated though is it because they're still going to build the new version of the Quashqai there. The decision to drop the X-trail is because no one wants to buy Diesel vehicles anymore, especially now as the UK government want to hike tax on Diesel vehicles and new EU environment rules on Diesel emissions are going kill off sales of Diesel in the EU. The X-trail is not going to be profitable either in the UK or in the EU. | |||
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"Seems like the Government made false promises again I can fully understand why a Buisness would say Time to leave this sinking ship. No, Nissan agreed to make the X-trail at Sunderland in return for an £80 million investment package from the government. It's Nissan who have broken their end of the bargain. "  this is true | |||
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"Seems like the Government made false promises again I can fully understand why a Buisness would say Time to leave this sinking ship. No, Nissan agreed to make the X-trail at Sunderland in return for an £80 million investment package from the government. It's Nissan who have broken their end of the bargain. " " To produce as many cars as it does, Lawther explained, Nissan Sunderland needs to receive and fit 5m parts each day. Of these parts, 85% are imported, mainly from Europe. The plant holds only enough parts for half a day’s production, because it is expensive to store them, so the whole multi-billion pound operation relies on these millions of parts arriving daily with no barriers or customs delays. Because Britain is currently part of the EU, this is a straightforward process. Each of the 28 EU member states belongs to the single market, which has been designed to facilitate trade by removing tariffs, as well as other trade and customs barriers. Rather than having 28 different industrial safety regulations, for instance, there is a single set of regulations that applies across all member states. The single market means trade between 28 different countries is free, fast and “frictionless”, just as it would be if the EU were one very large country. “Frictionless trade has enabled the growth that has seen our Sunderland plant become the biggest factory in the history of the UK car industry, exporting more than half of its production to the EU,” Nissan said, in a statement for this article." It goes on " If Britain leaves the EU without securing an agreement for continued frictionless trade – the “hard Brexit” outcome – Britain’s trading relationships would be regulated by World Trade Organisation rules, which do not allow for agreed product standards, and therefore will require customs checks at the borders with Europe. The rules also impose tariffs, including 10% on cars, 4.5% on car parts. For Nissan’s Sunderland operation, Lawther told the committee, as well as likely new delays at the borders, the impact of tariffs will add up to around £500m per year of additional costs, which would be “pretty disastrous”." So what buisness do you know that can sustain an extra half a billion quid a year in running costs , without losing jobs ? Dont just whatch the news Try reading a bit as well . Obviously you only read the last 2 comments on the forums !! | |||
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"The xtrail isn't a huge seller in Europe or the UK so why build it in the UK or Europe. The xtrail has a diesel motor and diesel isn't the flavour of the month fuel anymore in the European utopia. So Nissan are well within there rights to produce where it seems more viable for them. " The X Trail is the biggest selling SUV in the world and it has a number of different engine configurations that vary according to the market. Nissan also have leading edge engine technology that has enable it to adapt and develop new motors for existing vehicle lines and for new vehicle production. | |||
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"Isn't now a good time to spend some of that 39 billion on something else, why not an all electric vehicle company. Bikes, cars, scooters, buses, trucks we'd be ahead of the curve for once. We just need to learn a lesson on management and costs with a union representative board maybe and a Japanese style work culture, hell build the plants in Sunderland and Derby the Japanese have already taught the workers for us." Do you not remember the 70s before the joining of the EEC ? Britains crumbling car industry of giants like Rover British Leyland Talbot Austin Morris I bet the Japanese Germans Italians & American car industries are shaking in there boots. | |||
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"Isn't now a good time to spend some of that 39 billion on something else, why not an all electric vehicle company. Bikes, cars, scooters, buses, trucks we'd be ahead of the curve for once. We just need to learn a lesson on management and costs with a union representative board maybe and a Japanese style work culture, hell build the plants in Sunderland and Derby the Japanese have already taught the workers for us." Are you proposing a Nationalised, Government funded, owned and managed car production plant? | |||
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"Isn't now a good time to spend some of that 39 billion on something else, why not an all electric vehicle company. Bikes, cars, scooters, buses, trucks we'd be ahead of the curve for once. We just need to learn a lesson on management and costs with a union representative board maybe and a Japanese style work culture, hell build the plants in Sunderland and Derby the Japanese have already taught the workers for us. Do you not remember the 70s before the joining of the EEC ? Britains crumbling car industry of giants like Rover British Leyland Talbot Austin Morris I bet the Japanese Germans Italians & American car industries are shaking in there boots." . Oh well in that case just turn off the light on your way out!. Were all doomed  | |||
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" Oh well in that case just turn off the light on your way out!. Were all doomed "Finally the penny has started to drop . I wont be turning out any lights ill be long gone from here efore you i promise | |||
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"Isn't now a good time to spend some of that 39 billion on something else, why not an all electric vehicle company. Bikes, cars, scooters, buses, trucks we'd be ahead of the curve for once. We just need to learn a lesson on management and costs with a union representative board maybe and a Japanese style work culture, hell build the plants in Sunderland and Derby the Japanese have already taught the workers for us. Do you not remember the 70s before the joining of the EEC ? Britains crumbling car industry of giants like Rover British Leyland Talbot Austin Morris I bet the Japanese Germans Italians & American car industries are shaking in there boots." . Ps all those 70s Talbots were Chrysler and Peugeot owned and designed, Austin and Morris built fantastic cars for 80 years before being bought out by BMC but even they were gone before the 70s. British Leyland should have stuck to trucks and buses which they weren't too bad at alas they acquired rover and diverged into cars. The Japanese have a knack of building good cars but they're designs are a bit shite. The Germans have a knack of making great cars as well but then you over did it by putting the Italians and Americans in there and let's not even get started on French cars there the fucking pits. But yes if the French can get by making God awful Citroen's Peugeots and Renaults I can't see why we couldn't make a half assed attempt at it ourselves. | |||
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" Oh well in that case just turn off the light on your way out!. Were all doomed
Finally the penny has started to drop .
I wont be turning out any lights ill be long gone from here efore you i promise
". Far away from the madding crowd I hope, bon voyage and good luck. | |||
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"Isn't now a good time to spend some of that 39 billion on something else, why not an all electric vehicle company. Bikes, cars, scooters, buses, trucks we'd be ahead of the curve for once. We just need to learn a lesson on management and costs with a union representative board maybe and a Japanese style work culture, hell build the plants in Sunderland and Derby the Japanese have already taught the workers for us. Do you not remember the 70s before the joining of the EEC ? Britains crumbling car industry of giants like Rover British Leyland Talbot Austin Morris I bet the Japanese Germans Italians & American car industries are shaking in there boots." McLaren just had their best ever year for car sales in 2018. They recently announced they will be creating 800 new jobs in the UK on research and development, and new sales teams at new dealerships and showrooms they are building. McLaren are now focusing on hybrid cars for the future. Telling that McLaren don't make Diesels, lol, it appears now Diesel is a thing of the past and Diesel sales are failing all over the world. Hybrid and electric is where the car industry needs to move to in order to have a future, or Hydrogen zero emissions cars which Honda and Toyota are developing. | |||
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"Isn't now a good time to spend some of that 39 billion on something else, why not an all electric vehicle company. Bikes, cars, scooters, buses, trucks we'd be ahead of the curve for once. We just need to learn a lesson on management and costs with a union representative board maybe and a Japanese style work culture, hell build the plants in Sunderland and Derby the Japanese have already taught the workers for us. Do you not remember the 70s before the joining of the EEC ? Britains crumbling car industry of giants like Rover British Leyland Talbot Austin Morris I bet the Japanese Germans Italians & American car industries are shaking in there boots. McLaren just had their best ever year for car sales in 2018. They recently announced they will be creating 800 new jobs in the UK on research and development, and new sales teams at new dealerships and showrooms they are building. McLaren are now focusing on hybrid cars for the future. Telling that McLaren don't make Diesels, lol, it appears now Diesel is a thing of the past and Diesel sales are failing all over the world. Hybrid and electric is where the car industry needs to move to in order to have a future, or Hydrogen zero emissions cars which Honda and Toyota are developing. " Is McLaren entrring the low end of the market now ? 800 jobs to keep the 60 million population of Britain going Ill bow out now , ive been totally humiliated | |||
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" 800 jobs to keep the 60 million population of Britain going Ill bow out now , ive been totally humiliated ". 60 million!! Are you living in 2008 man, it's 66 million these days | |||
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"Isn't now a good time to spend some of that 39 billion on something else, why not an all electric vehicle company. Bikes, cars, scooters, buses, trucks we'd be ahead of the curve for once. We just need to learn a lesson on management and costs with a union representative board maybe and a Japanese style work culture, hell build the plants in Sunderland and Derby the Japanese have already taught the workers for us. Do you not remember the 70s before the joining of the EEC ? Britains crumbling car industry of giants like Rover British Leyland Talbot Austin Morris I bet the Japanese Germans Italians & American car industries are shaking in there boots. McLaren just had their best ever year for car sales in 2018. They recently announced they will be creating 800 new jobs in the UK on research and development, and new sales teams at new dealerships and showrooms they are building. McLaren are now focusing on hybrid cars for the future. Telling that McLaren don't make Diesels, lol, it appears now Diesel is a thing of the past and Diesel sales are failing all over the world. Hybrid and electric is where the car industry needs to move to in order to have a future, or Hydrogen zero emissions cars which Honda and Toyota are developing. Is McLaren entrring the low end of the market now ? 800 jobs to keep the 60 million population of Britain going Ill bow out now , ive been totally humiliated "Low end of the market, what makes you think most ordinary working class folk can afford a brand spanking new Nissan fresh off the production line? Buying a brand new car of any brand is a pipe dream for the majority of ordinary folk. Most people buy 2nd hand used cars. As for the jobs market as a whole in the UK I suggest you take a look at the latest government employment figures. Employment is at an all time high in the UK and unemployment is at its lowest level since the 1970's. | |||
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" Low end of the market, what makes you think most ordinary working class folk can afford a brand spanking new Nissan fresh off the production line? Buying a brand new car of any brand is a pipe dream for the majority of ordinary folk. Most people buy 2nd hand used cars. As for the jobs market as a whole in the UK I suggest you take a look at the latest government employment figures. Employment is at an all time high in the UK and unemployment is at its lowest level since the 1970's. " “Low end of the market” They still employ 6,700 people directly and as many more indirectly in Sunderland, when the factory is wound down, those workers will never be able to afford a new Nissan, and maybe not even a second hand Dacia, And while a brand new car is a pipe dream to lots, those who do buy brand new, are creating a second hand market when they upgrade!! | |||
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"Seems like the Government made false promises again I can fully understand why a Buisness would say Time to leave this sinking ship. No, Nissan agreed to make the X-trail at Sunderland in return for an £80 million investment package from the government. It's Nissan who have broken their end of the bargain. this is true"Both parties have broken their agreements as it happens | |||
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"Isn't now a good time to spend some of that 39 billion on something else, why not an all electric vehicle company. Bikes, cars, scooters, buses, trucks we'd be ahead of the curve for once. We just need to learn a lesson on management and costs with a union representative board maybe and a Japanese style work culture, hell build the plants in Sunderland and Derby the Japanese have already taught the workers for us. Do you not remember the 70s before the joining of the EEC ? Britains crumbling car industry of giants like Rover British Leyland Talbot Austin Morris I bet the Japanese Germans Italians & American car industries are shaking in there boots. McLaren just had their best ever year for car sales in 2018. They recently announced they will be creating 800 new jobs in the UK on research and development, and new sales teams at new dealerships and showrooms they are building. McLaren are now focusing on hybrid cars for the future. Telling that McLaren don't make Diesels, lol, it appears now Diesel is a thing of the past and Diesel sales are failing all over the world. Hybrid and electric is where the car industry needs to move to in order to have a future, or Hydrogen zero emissions cars which Honda and Toyota are developing. Is McLaren entrring the low end of the market now ? 800 jobs to keep the 60 million population of Britain going Ill bow out now , ive been totally humiliated
Low end of the market, what makes you think most ordinary working class folk can afford a brand spanking new Nissan fresh off the production line? Buying a brand new car of any brand is a pipe dream for the majority of ordinary folk. Most people buy 2nd hand used cars.
As for the jobs market as a whole in the UK I suggest you take a look at the latest government employment figures. Employment is at an all time high in the UK and unemployment is at its lowest level since the 1970's. "Yeah Zero hour contracts . Man works on a Zero hour contract Gets 8 hours work 1 week & has to got to the Food bank to feed his Family. Food bank use in UK reaches highest rate on record as benefits fail to cover basic costs Figures show 1,332,952 three-day emergency food supplies delivered to people in crisis in past year – a 13 per cent increase on last year, compared with rise of 6 per cent year before The number of households in England staying in temporary accommodation has risen by 6% over the past year, figures have shown. Statistics from the Department for Communities and Local Government show that nearly 80,000 households, including more than 120,000 children, were homeless in September. Your Government manipulated employment figures are laughable. Its been a ploy used by the Tories for 50 years In the meantime 120000 kids in temporary accomadation Over 4000 children in London & the South East are homeless. Brexit was meant to make stuff better. Banks are moving offices out Buisnesses are desperate to get away Dyson last week , wait for more to follow the closer Brexit day comes. Still , you keep telling yourself things will be better nwhen the UK leaves . | |||
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" Low end of the market, what makes you think most ordinary working class folk can afford a brand spanking new Nissan fresh off the production line? Buying a brand new car of any brand is a pipe dream for the majority of ordinary folk. Most people buy 2nd hand used cars. As for the jobs market as a whole in the UK I suggest you take a look at the latest government employment figures. Employment is at an all time high in the UK and unemployment is at its lowest level since the 1970's. “Low end of the market” They still employ 6,700 people directly and as many more indirectly in Sunderland, when the factory is wound down, those workers will never be able to afford a new Nissan, and maybe not even a second hand Dacia, And while a brand new car is a pipe dream to lots, those who do buy brand new, are creating a second hand market when they upgrade!!" It's not just rich individuals who buy brand new cars though is it. A good bulk of new cars sold straight out the factory are to businesses and companies to be used as company cars which are bought with company cash. These businesses and companies then sell the cars on to the 2nd hand car market at vastly reduced price after a few years devaluation and use by the company. | |||
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" Low end of the market, what makes you think most ordinary working class folk can afford a brand spanking new Nissan fresh off the production line? Buying a brand new car of any brand is a pipe dream for the majority of ordinary folk. Most people buy 2nd hand used cars. As for the jobs market as a whole in the UK I suggest you take a look at the latest government employment figures. Employment is at an all time high in the UK and unemployment is at its lowest level since the 1970's. “Low end of the market” They still employ 6,700 people directly and as many more indirectly in Sunderland, when the factory is wound down, those workers will never be able to afford a new Nissan, and maybe not even a second hand Dacia, And while a brand new car is a pipe dream to lots, those who do buy brand new, are creating a second hand market when they upgrade!! It's not just rich individuals who buy brand new cars though is it. A good bulk of new cars sold straight out the factory are to businesses and companies to be used as company cars which are bought with company cash. These businesses and companies then sell the cars on to the 2nd hand car market at vastly reduced price after a few years devaluation and use by the company. " Rich Individuals buy McLarens . A point was made about 800 new jobs in McLaren McLaren are a Luxury Brand. Stop diluting stupid arguments about not many people can afford new cars. This isnt about all cars. *************************** This bit is about all Cars Why are so many new cars produced every damn year if not many people are not buying new ones ? | |||
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"A large section of the car market is driven by companies leasing vehicles not buying them then once the leases are up the cars end up on the 2nd hand nearly new car garage's that cheap finance then enables the average Jo to go and buy. " Do you think the Lease companies lease those New Cars from Ford Nissan Mercedes etc ? Dont be a dingbat . They are bought new , with decent discounts as they will buy 100+ cars at a time . Come on Fella Like Brexit Just give it up  | |||
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"Too-hot I don’t have a crystal ball like u mate I am just going of my local news the new qashqi is still going to be built there also the juke and there still committed to long term investments but I’m a leave voter so I’m probably making this shit up mate id look more at the demise of Deisel engines that was probably going to happen with or with out brexit " EU sign free trade deal with Japan Nissan changes policy after government fails on deal with EU Dyson moves hq to Singapore after government fails to deliver on deal with EU Can you see a theme? Talk to someone at Nissan about their concerns. You won't get "it'll be fine" | |||
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"The xtrail isn't a huge seller in Europe or the UK so why build it in the UK or Europe. The xtrail has a diesel motor and diesel isn't the flavour of the month fuel anymore in the European utopia. So Nissan are well within there rights to produce where it seems more viable for them. The X Trail is the biggest selling SUV in the world and it has a number of different engine configurations that vary according to the market. Nissan also have leading edge engine technology that has enable it to adapt and develop new motors for existing vehicle lines and for new vehicle production. " The X-trail was actually the 11th most popular SUV in 2018, down from 9th place in 2017. If it had a future in Europe, why haven't Nissan switched production to one of its other European production facilities? | |||
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"The xtrail isn't a huge seller in Europe or the UK so why build it in the UK or Europe. The xtrail has a diesel motor and diesel isn't the flavour of the month fuel anymore in the European utopia. So Nissan are well within there rights to produce where it seems more viable for them. The X Trail is the biggest selling SUV in the world and it has a number of different engine configurations that vary according to the market. Nissan also have leading edge engine technology that has enable it to adapt and develop new motors for existing vehicle lines and for new vehicle production. The X-trail was actually the 11th most popular SUV in 2018, down from 9th place in 2017. If it had a future in Europe, why haven't Nissan switched production to one of its other European production facilities?" No problem them. Everything's fine. We didn't want it anyway. There's nothing to learn from this situation at all. #Brexitwin | |||
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"Too-hot I don’t have a crystal ball like u mate I am just going of my local news the new qashqi is still going to be built there also the juke and there still committed to long term investments but I’m a leave voter so I’m probably making this shit up mate id look more at the demise of Deisel engines that was probably going to happen with or with out brexit EU sign free trade deal with Japan Nissan changes policy after government fails on deal with EU Dyson moves hq to Singapore after government fails to deliver on deal with EU Can you see a theme? Talk to someone at Nissan about their concerns. You won't get "it'll be fine" " howay then this will be good how many out of the 7 thousand workers have you spoke to to come to that then did you not wach yr local news none of the workers they interviewed blamed brexit | |||
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"Too-hot I don’t have a crystal ball like u mate I am just going of my local news the new qashqi is still going to be built there also the juke and there still committed to long term investments but I’m a leave voter so I’m probably making this shit up mate id look more at the demise of Deisel engines that was probably going to happen with or with out brexit EU sign free trade deal with Japan Nissan changes policy after government fails on deal with EU Dyson moves hq to Singapore after government fails to deliver on deal with EU Can you see a theme? Talk to someone at Nissan about their concerns. You won't get "it'll be fine" howay then this will be good how many out of the 7 thousand workers have you spoke to to come to that then did you not wach yr local news none of the workers they interviewed blamed brexit " You’re closer to the car industry than me bytvthe anti diesel thing has even on the agenda for many years now. What has happened in the last couple of years that Nissan and the uk didn’t know about two years ago? | |||
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"Too-hot I don’t have a crystal ball like u mate I am just going of my local news the new qashqi is still going to be built there also the juke and there still committed to long term investments but I’m a leave voter so I’m probably making this shit up mate id look more at the demise of Deisel engines that was probably going to happen with or with out brexit EU sign free trade deal with Japan Nissan changes policy after government fails on deal with EU Dyson moves hq to Singapore after government fails to deliver on deal with EU Can you see a theme? Talk to someone at Nissan about their concerns. You won't get "it'll be fine" howay then this will be good how many out of the 7 thousand workers have you spoke to to come to that then did you not wach yr local news none of the workers they interviewed blamed brexit You’re closer to the car industry than me bytvthe anti diesel thing has even on the agenda for many years now. What has happened in the last couple of years that Nissan and the uk didn’t know about two years ago?" ofcirse brexit is a factor but it’s not the main one diesel is dying all over Europe but every negative now is going to be blamed on brexit as if we never had negatives before 2016 | |||
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"Too-hot I don’t have a crystal ball like u mate I am just going of my local news the new qashqi is still going to be built there also the juke and there still committed to long term investments but I’m a leave voter so I’m probably making this shit up mate id look more at the demise of Deisel engines that was probably going to happen with or with out brexit EU sign free trade deal with Japan Nissan changes policy after government fails on deal with EU Dyson moves hq to Singapore after government fails to deliver on deal with EU Can you see a theme? Talk to someone at Nissan about their concerns. You won't get "it'll be fine" howay then this will be good how many out of the 7 thousand workers have you spoke to to come to that then did you not wach yr local news none of the workers they interviewed blamed brexit You’re closer to the car industry than me bytvthe anti diesel thing has even on the agenda for many years now. What has happened in the last couple of years that Nissan and the uk didn’t know about two years ago?ofcirse brexit is a factor but it’s not the main one diesel is dying all over Europe but every negative now is going to be blamed on brexit as if we never had negatives before 2016 " This is accurate. All the negative stuff that’s engulfing the country at the moment has multiple factors. Brexit being one of the major ones. It’s hard to measure how much of a factor. When a company leaves to move elsewhere and they cite Brexit as a reason for leaving, it’s not the sole reason. | |||
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"A large section of the car market is driven by companies leasing vehicles not buying them then once the leases are up the cars end up on the 2nd hand nearly new car garage's that cheap finance then enables the average Jo to go and buy. Do you think the Lease companies lease those New Cars from Ford Nissan Mercedes etc ? Dont be a dingbat . They are bought new , with decent discounts as they will buy 100+ cars at a time . Come on Fella Like Brexit Just give it up "I really don't get what you are on about.... | |||
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"Too-hot I don’t have a crystal ball like u mate I am just going of my local news the new qashqi is still going to be built there also the juke and there still committed to long term investments but I’m a leave voter so I’m probably making this shit up mate id look more at the demise of Deisel engines that was probably going to happen with or with out brexit EU sign free trade deal with Japan Nissan changes policy after government fails on deal with EU Dyson moves hq to Singapore after government fails to deliver on deal with EU Can you see a theme? Talk to someone at Nissan about their concerns. You won't get "it'll be fine" howay then this will be good how many out of the 7 thousand workers have you spoke to to come to that then did you not wach yr local news none of the workers they interviewed blamed brexit You’re closer to the car industry than me bytvthe anti diesel thing has even on the agenda for many years now. What has happened in the last couple of years that Nissan and the uk didn’t know about two years ago?" The UN Paris Climate Conference in 2017, coupled with the 2018 EU Directives on clean air, has seen a rush of cities wanting to ban diesel cars within a few years. Copenhagen, Madrid, Athens, Oxford and Paris are leading the charge. Other cities plan to further tax diesel cars and vans. With this atmosphere, there is little appetite for diesel cars and vans. | |||
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"McClaren are a high end manufacturer that don’t rely (afaik) on JIT. Their clients are less price sensitive than Nissan If any uk car company is immune to brexit it is then. And if they can ride this out, youbhave ti ask why we thing BMW would panic so much as we think to persuade the Germans to cave in. Oh and they are still saying we should listen to car manufacturers concerns. " McLaren cannot be compared to the likes of the main stream motor manufacturers. | |||
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"Too-hot I don’t have a crystal ball like u mate I am just going of my local news the new qashqi is still going to be built there also the juke and there still committed to long term investments but I’m a leave voter so I’m probably making this shit up mate id look more at the demise of Deisel engines that was probably going to happen with or with out brexit EU sign free trade deal with Japan Nissan changes policy after government fails on deal with EU Dyson moves hq to Singapore after government fails to deliver on deal with EU Can you see a theme? Talk to someone at Nissan about their concerns. You won't get "it'll be fine" howay then this will be good how many out of the 7 thousand workers have you spoke to to come to that then did you not wach yr local news none of the workers they interviewed blamed brexit You’re closer to the car industry than me bytvthe anti diesel thing has even on the agenda for many years now. What has happened in the last couple of years that Nissan and the uk didn’t know about two years ago? The UN Paris Climate Conference in 2017, coupled with the 2018 EU Directives on clean air, has seen a rush of cities wanting to ban diesel cars within a few years. Copenhagen, Madrid, Athens, Oxford and Paris are leading the charge. Other cities plan to further tax diesel cars and vans. With this atmosphere, there is little appetite for diesel cars and vans. " But this isn’t new news. The EU directive was off the back of previous directives etc. Cities have been thinking about banning diesel for a while. This could have all been anticipated in 2016. U less we’re suddenly saying the Eu juggernaut can suddenly pull directives out of the hat ? | |||
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"Too-hot I don’t have a crystal ball like u mate I am just going of my local news the new qashqi is still going to be built there also the juke and there still committed to long term investments but I’m a leave voter so I’m probably making this shit up mate id look more at the demise of Deisel engines that was probably going to happen with or with out brexit EU sign free trade deal with Japan Nissan changes policy after government fails on deal with EU Dyson moves hq to Singapore after government fails to deliver on deal with EU Can you see a theme? Talk to someone at Nissan about their concerns. You won't get "it'll be fine" howay then this will be good how many out of the 7 thousand workers have you spoke to to come to that then did you not wach yr local news none of the workers they interviewed blamed brexit " Did you not read the post higher up the page from Sunderland ? Copy the link & read it By Afterhrs Man 18 hours ago Sunderland If anyone in the uk or anywhere else would like an insight into why we (Sunderland) voted leave : https://www.quora.com/Why-would-Nissan-Sunderland-workers-vote-overwhelmingly-to-leave-the-EU-therefore-undermining-their-jobs-when-it-is-their-employer’s-biggest-export-market | |||
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"From what I've seen from data over the last few days, Xtrail sales in europe last year fell by 30%, from 69,000 to 48,000. XTrail sales across the rest of the world are rising. Xtrail /Rogue volumes were 814,000 around the world. Its biggest single market is Asia." Yes. It's all fine. There's nothing to learn or consider at all. Just ignore it. It will all be fine. In fact, it's really good news. Sounds like it was a rubbish car and nobody would have been interested in those 200 extra jobs as we are awash with them. #Brwxitwin | |||
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"From what I've seen from data over the last few days, Xtrail sales in europe last year fell by 30%, from 69,000 to 48,000. XTrail sales across the rest of the world are rising. Xtrail /Rogue volumes were 814,000 around the world. Its biggest single market is Asia. Yes. It's all fine. There's nothing to learn or consider at all. Just ignore it. It will all be fine. In fact, it's really good news. Sounds like it was a rubbish car and nobody would have been interested in those 200 extra jobs as we are awash with them. #Brwxitwin "Or altermatively let's blame everything on Brexit.... | |||
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"From what I've seen from data over the last few days, Xtrail sales in europe last year fell by 30%, from 69,000 to 48,000. XTrail sales across the rest of the world are rising. Xtrail /Rogue volumes were 814,000 around the world. Its biggest single market is Asia. Yes. It's all fine. There's nothing to learn or consider at all. Just ignore it. It will all be fine. In fact, it's really good news. Sounds like it was a rubbish car and nobody would have been interested in those 200 extra jobs as we are awash with them. #Brwxitwin
Or altermatively let's blame everything on Brexit...."I never have. You could also acknowledge that it is a significant factor, amongst other significant factors. What is true for Nissan is true for Honda and Toyota. | |||
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"From what I've seen from data over the last few days, Xtrail sales in europe last year fell by 30%, from 69,000 to 48,000. XTrail sales across the rest of the world are rising. Xtrail /Rogue volumes were 814,000 around the world. Its biggest single market is Asia. Yes. It's all fine. There's nothing to learn or consider at all. Just ignore it. It will all be fine. In fact, it's really good news. Sounds like it was a rubbish car and nobody would have been interested in those 200 extra jobs as we are awash with them. #Brwxitwin
Or altermatively let's blame everything on Brexit....
I never have.
You could also acknowledge that it is a significant factor, amongst other significant factors.
What is true for Nissan is true for Honda and Toyota."Where have I said it's not a factor? | |||
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"From what I've seen from data over the last few days, Xtrail sales in europe last year fell by 30%, from 69,000 to 48,000. XTrail sales across the rest of the world are rising. Xtrail /Rogue volumes were 814,000 around the world. Its biggest single market is Asia. Yes. It's all fine. There's nothing to learn or consider at all. Just ignore it. It will all be fine. In fact, it's really good news. Sounds like it was a rubbish car and nobody would have been interested in those 200 extra jobs as we are awash with them. #Brwxitwin
Or altermatively let's blame everything on Brexit....
I never have.
You could also acknowledge that it is a significant factor, amongst other significant factors.
What is true for Nissan is true for Honda and Toyota.
Where have I said it's not a factor?"You are only listing the reasons it is not. You have never written anywhere on any thread any points that acknowledge any problems with Brexit. Neither do the other leavers. It's impossible to admit any flaw in the Brexit master-plan. I'm quite happy to say that corruption and sudden immigration have caused problems that need fixing. Emotional arguments there are plenty of but leavers don't like to make those as they don't sound that compelling when you try to explain their benefit. I'm quite happy to say that the darkening economy also have a part to play in Nissan's decision. I'll look forward to you being more even handed in your posts in the future. I will attempt to do the same but am struggling with logical pro-leave arguments. I wrote down what I came up with in the cognitive bias thread some time ago. You are still free to start a thread that lays out leave problems and remain benefits for your own benefit. You only argue your point by trying to understand your opponent. | |||
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"From what I've seen from data over the last few days, Xtrail sales in europe last year fell by 30%, from 69,000 to 48,000. XTrail sales across the rest of the world are rising. Xtrail /Rogue volumes were 814,000 around the world. Its biggest single market is Asia. Yes. It's all fine. There's nothing to learn or consider at all. Just ignore it. It will all be fine. In fact, it's really good news. Sounds like it was a rubbish car and nobody would have been interested in those 200 extra jobs as we are awash with them. #Brwxitwin
Or altermatively let's blame everything on Brexit....
I never have.
You could also acknowledge that it is a significant factor, amongst other significant factors.
What is true for Nissan is true for Honda and Toyota.
Where have I said it's not a factor?
You are only listing the reasons it is not.
You have never written anywhere on any thread any points that acknowledge any problems with Brexit. Neither do the other leavers.
It's impossible to admit any flaw in the Brexit master-plan.
I'm quite happy to say that corruption and sudden immigration have caused problems that need fixing.
Emotional arguments there are plenty of but leavers don't like to make those as they don't sound that compelling when you try to explain their benefit.
I'm quite happy to say that the darkening economy also have a part to play in Nissan's decision.
I'll look forward to you being more even handed in your posts in the future.
I will attempt to do the same but am struggling with logical pro-leave arguments. I wrote down what I came up with in the cognitive bias thread some time ago. You are still free to start a thread that lays out leave problems and remain benefits for your own benefit. You only argue your point by trying to understand your opponent."You couldn't put anything tangible as to why the EU are so desperate for us to stay on another thread....other than 'traits' that the UK have.....which, at the end of the day, are emotional arguments. | |||
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"From what I've seen from data over the last few days, Xtrail sales in europe last year fell by 30%, from 69,000 to 48,000. XTrail sales across the rest of the world are rising. Xtrail /Rogue volumes were 814,000 around the world. Its biggest single market is Asia. Yes. It's all fine. There's nothing to learn or consider at all. Just ignore it. It will all be fine. In fact, it's really good news. Sounds like it was a rubbish car and nobody would have been interested in those 200 extra jobs as we are awash with them. #Brwxitwin
Or altermatively let's blame everything on Brexit....
I never have.
You could also acknowledge that it is a significant factor, amongst other significant factors.
What is true for Nissan is true for Honda and Toyota.
Where have I said it's not a factor?
You are only listing the reasons it is not.
You have never written anywhere on any thread any points that acknowledge any problems with Brexit. Neither do the other leavers.
It's impossible to admit any flaw in the Brexit master-plan.
I'm quite happy to say that corruption and sudden immigration have caused problems that need fixing.
Emotional arguments there are plenty of but leavers don't like to make those as they don't sound that compelling when you try to explain their benefit.
I'm quite happy to say that the darkening economy also have a part to play in Nissan's decision.
I'll look forward to you being more even handed in your posts in the future.
I will attempt to do the same but am struggling with logical pro-leave arguments. I wrote down what I came up with in the cognitive bias thread some time ago. You are still free to start a thread that lays out leave problems and remain benefits for your own benefit. You only argue your point by trying to understand your opponent."yes another thread that lays out leave problems we haven’t had any of them for the last few yrs that’s all we need lol | |||
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"From what I've seen from data over the last few days, Xtrail sales in europe last year fell by 30%, from 69,000 to 48,000. XTrail sales across the rest of the world are rising. Xtrail /Rogue volumes were 814,000 around the world. Its biggest single market is Asia. Yes. It's all fine. There's nothing to learn or consider at all. Just ignore it. It will all be fine. In fact, it's really good news. Sounds like it was a rubbish car and nobody would have been interested in those 200 extra jobs as we are awash with them. #Brwxitwin
Or altermatively let's blame everything on Brexit....
I never have.
You could also acknowledge that it is a significant factor, amongst other significant factors.
What is true for Nissan is true for Honda and Toyota.
Where have I said it's not a factor?
You are only listing the reasons it is not.
You have never written anywhere on any thread any points that acknowledge any problems with Brexit. Neither do the other leavers.
It's impossible to admit any flaw in the Brexit master-plan.
I'm quite happy to say that corruption and sudden immigration have caused problems that need fixing.
Emotional arguments there are plenty of but leavers don't like to make those as they don't sound that compelling when you try to explain their benefit.
I'm quite happy to say that the darkening economy also have a part to play in Nissan's decision.
I'll look forward to you being more even handed in your posts in the future.
I will attempt to do the same but am struggling with logical pro-leave arguments. I wrote down what I came up with in the cognitive bias thread some time ago. You are still free to start a thread that lays out leave problems and remain benefits for your own benefit. You only argue your point by trying to understand your opponent.
You couldn't put anything tangible as to why the EU are so desperate for us to stay on another thread....other than 'traits' that the UK have.....which, at the end of the day, are emotional arguments."You were hardly clear in what you were asking for on that thread. I don't really understand why you don't believe that the positive traits that I listed are not hugely influential and positive in shaping policy? Regardless, I added more when you clarified. I note that you immediately jumped onto my shortcomings without addressing what I said. | |||
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"From what I've seen from data over the last few days, Xtrail sales in europe last year fell by 30%, from 69,000 to 48,000. XTrail sales across the rest of the world are rising. Xtrail /Rogue volumes were 814,000 around the world. Its biggest single market is Asia. Yes. It's all fine. There's nothing to learn or consider at all. Just ignore it. It will all be fine. In fact, it's really good news. Sounds like it was a rubbish car and nobody would have been interested in those 200 extra jobs as we are awash with them. #Brwxitwin
Or altermatively let's blame everything on Brexit....
I never have.
You could also acknowledge that it is a significant factor, amongst other significant factors.
What is true for Nissan is true for Honda and Toyota.
Where have I said it's not a factor?
You are only listing the reasons it is not.
You have never written anywhere on any thread any points that acknowledge any problems with Brexit. Neither do the other leavers.
It's impossible to admit any flaw in the Brexit master-plan.
I'm quite happy to say that corruption and sudden immigration have caused problems that need fixing.
Emotional arguments there are plenty of but leavers don't like to make those as they don't sound that compelling when you try to explain their benefit.
I'm quite happy to say that the darkening economy also have a part to play in Nissan's decision.
I'll look forward to you being more even handed in your posts in the future.
I will attempt to do the same but am struggling with logical pro-leave arguments. I wrote down what I came up with in the cognitive bias thread some time ago. You are still free to start a thread that lays out leave problems and remain benefits for your own benefit. You only argue your point by trying to understand your opponent. yes another thread that lays out leave problems we haven’t had any of them for the last few yrs that’s all we need lol"Um. No. It's a completely different exercise to look at your own opinions rather than point out flaws in other peoples'. Do you really not see that? | |||
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"From what I've seen from data over the last few days, Xtrail sales in europe last year fell by 30%, from 69,000 to 48,000. XTrail sales across the rest of the world are rising. Xtrail /Rogue volumes were 814,000 around the world. Its biggest single market is Asia. Yes. It's all fine. There's nothing to learn or consider at all. Just ignore it. It will all be fine. In fact, it's really good news. Sounds like it was a rubbish car and nobody would have been interested in those 200 extra jobs as we are awash with them. #Brwxitwin
Or altermatively let's blame everything on Brexit....
I never have.
You could also acknowledge that it is a significant factor, amongst other significant factors.
What is true for Nissan is true for Honda and Toyota.
Where have I said it's not a factor?
You are only listing the reasons it is not.
You have never written anywhere on any thread any points that acknowledge any problems with Brexit. Neither do the other leavers.
It's impossible to admit any flaw in the Brexit master-plan.
I'm quite happy to say that corruption and sudden immigration have caused problems that need fixing.
Emotional arguments there are plenty of but leavers don't like to make those as they don't sound that compelling when you try to explain their benefit.
I'm quite happy to say that the darkening economy also have a part to play in Nissan's decision.
I'll look forward to you being more even handed in your posts in the future.
I will attempt to do the same but am struggling with logical pro-leave arguments. I wrote down what I came up with in the cognitive bias thread some time ago. You are still free to start a thread that lays out leave problems and remain benefits for your own benefit. You only argue your point by trying to understand your opponent. yes another thread that lays out leave problems we haven’t had any of them for the last few yrs that’s all we need lol
Um. No. It's a completely different exercise to look at your own opinions rather than point out flaws in other peoples'.
Do you really not see that?"We're not here to do your exercises. This is not a classroom and we're not at school. | |||
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"From what I've seen from data over the last few days, Xtrail sales in europe last year fell by 30%, from 69,000 to 48,000. XTrail sales across the rest of the world are rising. Xtrail /Rogue volumes were 814,000 around the world. Its biggest single market is Asia. Yes. It's all fine. There's nothing to learn or consider at all. Just ignore it. It will all be fine. In fact, it's really good news. Sounds like it was a rubbish car and nobody would have been interested in those 200 extra jobs as we are awash with them. #Brwxitwin
Or altermatively let's blame everything on Brexit....
I never have.
You could also acknowledge that it is a significant factor, amongst other significant factors.
What is true for Nissan is true for Honda and Toyota.
Where have I said it's not a factor?
You are only listing the reasons it is not.
You have never written anywhere on any thread any points that acknowledge any problems with Brexit. Neither do the other leavers.
It's impossible to admit any flaw in the Brexit master-plan.
I'm quite happy to say that corruption and sudden immigration have caused problems that need fixing.
Emotional arguments there are plenty of but leavers don't like to make those as they don't sound that compelling when you try to explain their benefit.
I'm quite happy to say that the darkening economy also have a part to play in Nissan's decision.
I'll look forward to you being more even handed in your posts in the future.
I will attempt to do the same but am struggling with logical pro-leave arguments. I wrote down what I came up with in the cognitive bias thread some time ago. You are still free to start a thread that lays out leave problems and remain benefits for your own benefit. You only argue your point by trying to understand your opponent. yes another thread that lays out leave problems we haven’t had any of them for the last few yrs that’s all we need lol
Um. No. It's a completely different exercise to look at your own opinions rather than point out flaws in other peoples'.
Do you really not see that?
We're not here to do your exercises. This is not a classroom and we're not at school. "You've ably demonstrated that you don't like thinking too hard and certainly can't manage self-criticism. You crack on in your own bubble and keeping repeating your newspaper headlines and catchphrases. The method does work. The problem is delivering on the promises. Fortunately your process also pre-prepares scapegoats so all good | |||
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" We're not here to do your exercises. This is not a classroom and we're not at school. "Shame you've already been schooled a few times on the thread and chose not to reply to the posts contradicting those ridiculous statements about WTO tarriffs, lies told to Nissan, and my favourite Mclaren the peoples car for the average Joe 
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