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"I'm new to the politics lounge, and after a brief look at the threads, it appears to me that whoever satisfactorily solves the problem, in a way beneficial to all concerned, is a shoe in for the next prime minister. So, good people of fab, what is the answer!" The problem is not everyone agrees on what the problem is. So how will we get concensus. | |||
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"I'm new to the politics lounge, and after a brief look at the threads, it appears to me that whoever satisfactorily solves the problem, in a way beneficial to all concerned, is a shoe in for the next prime minister. So, good people of fab, what is the answer! The problem is not everyone agrees on what the problem is. So how will we get concensus. " So that's that, can't agree on what the problem is so don't boither trying to solve it, I'm guessing this is the problem | |||
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"I'm new to the politics lounge, and after a brief look at the threads, it appears to me that whoever satisfactorily solves the problem, in a way beneficial to all concerned, is a shoe in for the next prime minister. So, good people of fab, what is the answer! The problem is not everyone agrees on what the problem is. So how will we get concensus. So that's that, can't agree on what the problem is so don't boither trying to solve it, I'm guessing this is the problem" Not saying we shouldn't solve the issue. But what are we trying to do? Reduce illegal immigration? Reduce immigration in general? Why are they an issue then? Jobs? Why is that an issue? | |||
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"I'm new to the politics lounge, and after a brief look at the threads, it appears to me that whoever satisfactorily solves the problem, in a way beneficial to all concerned, is a shoe in for the next prime minister. So, good people of fab, what is the answer! The problem is not everyone agrees on what the problem is. So how will we get concensus. So that's that, can't agree on what the problem is so don't boither trying to solve it, I'm guessing this is the problem Not saying we shouldn't solve the issue. But what are we trying to do? Reduce illegal immigration? Reduce immigration in general? Why are they an issue then? Jobs? Why is that an issue? " I think the problem is lack of education, I would love to know how many people know the difference between asylum seekers, migrants, immigrants, and illegal immigrants. I think it would go a long way towards solvingbthe problem if people posting bullshit memes on Facebook, could be prosecuted under the same laws as newspapers. Like the one about us army Sargent who killed two Syrian refugees for sexualy assaulting his daughters, the guy didn't exist, and nither did the incident. Fear leads to anger Anger leads to hate Hate leads to the dark side (Sorry to quote star wars) We will never identify what the problem is unless we have some clarity, and that starts with not listening to the people who say Islam wants to steal Christmas, most of the off licence owners around where I live are Muslim, and trust me, they do noinoit want to see an end to Christmas, it would be like a camp site owner hoping for a shit Summer | |||
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"I don't like lime immigration i much prefer lemon  "You can't pick and choose mate, take one citrus into our country, and you have to take them all, Orange's included (even though they are work shy dirty bastards.)  | |||
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"I'm new to the politics lounge, and after a brief look at the threads, it appears to me that whoever satisfactorily solves the problem, in a way beneficial to all concerned, is a shoe in for the next prime minister. So, good people of fab, what is the answer! The problem is not everyone agrees on what the problem is. So how will we get concensus. So that's that, can't agree on what the problem is so don't boither trying to solve it, I'm guessing this is the problem Not saying we shouldn't solve the issue. But what are we trying to do? Reduce illegal immigration? Reduce immigration in general? Why are they an issue then? Jobs? Why is that an issue? I think the problem is lack of education, I would love to know how many people know the difference between asylum seekers, migrants, immigrants, and illegal immigrants. I think it would go a long way towards solvingbthe problem if people posting bullshit memes on Facebook, could be prosecuted under the same laws as newspapers. Like the one about us army Sargent who killed two Syrian refugees for sexualy assaulting his daughters, the guy didn't exist, and nither did the incident. Fear leads to anger Anger leads to hate Hate leads to the dark side (Sorry to quote star wars) We will never identify what the problem is unless we have some clarity, and that starts with not listening to the people who say Islam wants to steal Christmas, most of the off licence owners around where I live are Muslim, and trust me, they do noinoit want to see an end to Christmas, it would be like a camp site owner hoping for a shit Summer" I agree. Clarity is key. | |||
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"I'm new to the politics lounge, and after a brief look at the threads, it appears to me that whoever satisfactorily solves the problem, in a way beneficial to all concerned, is a shoe in for the next prime minister. So, good people of fab, what is the answer!" solution is to stop creating wars in the middle east then you'll stop the wave of people trying to get out along with every economic migrant that tags along  | |||
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"I'm new to the politics lounge, and after a brief look at the threads, it appears to me that whoever satisfactorily solves the problem, in a way beneficial to all concerned, is a shoe in for the next prime minister. So, good people of fab, what is the answer!" Define the problem. I don't see any problem as things currently are. The vast majority of immigrants just get on with their lives trying to make a living for their families. Basically we're all immigrants here anyway of course. | |||
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"I find the comments from some on this forum awful and sickening. I am embarrassed to be living in a country with people like this. Anyway, I am going to a footie game -- be back later to see who has said what" Couldn't agree more! Some threads are great for my blocklist! | |||
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"Fear leads to anger Anger leads to hate Hate leads to the dark side (Sorry to quote star wars)" No need to aplogise mate! Finding relevant Star Wars quotes is an important part of rhetoric! | |||
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"Like several other European countries Holland is seeing the consequences of past colonialism, you can't expect to grab the natural materials and crops of African and Carribean countries over the course of a couple of centuries and not expect to repay a certain number of their citizens to rights to live in your country. " what number? | |||
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"I'm new to the politics lounge, and after a brief look at the threads, it appears to me that whoever satisfactorily solves the problem, in a way beneficial to all concerned, is a shoe in for the next prime minister. So, good people of fab, what is the answer! Define the problem. I don't see any problem as things currently are. The vast majority of immigrants just get on with their lives trying to make a living for their families. Basically we're all immigrants here anyway of course." . That's a great line but it's completely pointless, everybody anywhere is an immigrant to an extent!. The skill is in integration and how many you can integrate at any reasonable pace, I think the argument is to much dilutes your own culture and leads to fractures in communities. | |||
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"Like several other European countries Holland is seeing the consequences of past colonialism, you can't expect to grab the natural materials and crops of African and Carribean countries over the course of a couple of centuries and not expect to repay a certain number of their citizens to rights to live in your country. what number?" As many as the colonialist country feels is enough to repay the country they stripped I suppose, whether that is to help ease their conscience or not who knows? That decision is with the elected bodies to ponder over.... | |||
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"Like several other European countries Holland is seeing the consequences of past colonialism, you can't expect to grab the natural materials and crops of African and Carribean countries over the course of a couple of centuries and not expect to repay a certain number of their citizens to rights to live in your country. what number? As many as the colonialist country feels is enough to repay the country they stripped I suppose, whether that is to help ease their conscience or not who knows? That decision is with the elected bodies to ponder over...." those Mongols are in trouble then | |||
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"I'm new to the politics lounge, and after a brief look at the threads, it appears to me that whoever satisfactorily solves the problem, in a way beneficial to all concerned, is a shoe in for the next prime minister. So, good people of fab, what is the answer! Define the problem. I don't see any problem as things currently are. The vast majority of immigrants just get on with their lives trying to make a living for their families. Basically we're all immigrants here anyway of course." No. No we aren't all immigrants. | |||
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"I'm new to the politics lounge, and after a brief look at the threads, it appears to me that whoever satisfactorily solves the problem, in a way beneficial to all concerned, is a shoe in for the next prime minister. So, good people of fab, what is the answer! Define the problem. I don't see any problem as things currently are. The vast majority of immigrants just get on with their lives trying to make a living for their families. Basically we're all immigrants here anyway of course. No. No we aren't all immigrants." No but many of us in our lineage will have those who once were immigrants and that's cool.. | |||
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"I'm new to the politics lounge, and after a brief look at the threads, it appears to me that whoever satisfactorily solves the problem, in a way beneficial to all concerned, is a shoe in for the next prime minister. So, good people of fab, what is the answer! Define the problem. I don't see any problem as things currently are. The vast majority of immigrants just get on with their lives trying to make a living for their families. Basically we're all immigrants here anyway of course. No. No we aren't all immigrants. No but many of us in our lineage will have those who once were immigrants and that's cool.. " Maybe so but most Britons descend from early people's. Europeans have living in Europe for millenia. We are the indigenous now. | |||
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"I'm new to the politics lounge, and after a brief look at the threads, it appears to me that whoever satisfactorily solves the problem, in a way beneficial to all concerned, is a shoe in for the next prime minister. So, good people of fab, what is the answer! Define the problem. I don't see any problem as things currently are. The vast majority of immigrants just get on with their lives trying to make a living for their families. Basically we're all immigrants here anyway of course. No. No we aren't all immigrants. No but many of us in our lineage will have those who once were immigrants and that's cool.. Maybe so but most Britons descend from early people's. Europeans have living in Europe for millenia. We are the indigenous now." if your lineage is that of a mixture then an arbitrary line on a calendar doesn't make sense, even after the early people's we have had periods in our history when we have given refuge to people suffering persecution.. genetically people in the Orkneys are more Scandinavian, doesn't make them any less British than the descendants of the Huguenot or the Russian Jewish people who came here or any other group.. | |||
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"I'm new to the politics lounge, and after a brief look at the threads, it appears to me that whoever satisfactorily solves the problem, in a way beneficial to all concerned, is a shoe in for the next prime minister. So, good people of fab, what is the answer! Define the problem. I don't see any problem as things currently are. The vast majority of immigrants just get on with their lives trying to make a living for their families. Basically we're all immigrants here anyway of course. No. No we aren't all immigrants. No but many of us in our lineage will have those who once were immigrants and that's cool.. Maybe so but most Britons descend from early people's. Europeans have living in Europe for millenia. We are the indigenous now. if your lineage is that of a mixture then an arbitrary line on a calendar doesn't make sense, even after the early people's we have had periods in our history when we have given refuge to people suffering persecution.. genetically people in the Orkneys are more Scandinavian, doesn't make them any less British than the descendants of the Huguenot or the Russian Jewish people who came here or any other group.." The Orkneys and Shetland are isolated The vast vasy vast majority of people descend from the same people. The genetic input from others has been tiny. I'm part Eastern European Jew btw. | |||
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"I'm new to the politics lounge, and after a brief look at the threads, it appears to me that whoever satisfactorily solves the problem, in a way beneficial to all concerned, is a shoe in for the next prime minister. So, good people of fab, what is the answer! Define the problem. I don't see any problem as things currently are. The vast majority of immigrants just get on with their lives trying to make a living for their families. Basically we're all immigrants here anyway of course. No. No we aren't all immigrants. No but many of us in our lineage will have those who once were immigrants and that's cool.. Maybe so but most Britons descend from early people's. Europeans have living in Europe for millenia. We are the indigenous now. if your lineage is that of a mixture then an arbitrary line on a calendar doesn't make sense, even after the early people's we have had periods in our history when we have given refuge to people suffering persecution.. genetically people in the Orkneys are more Scandinavian, doesn't make them any less British than the descendants of the Huguenot or the Russian Jewish people who came here or any other group.." . I don't think any sensible person is worried about "immigration" as you say it's not exactly new, the real problem is the speed of it and the integration of different cultures. Like say take the Huguenots that you mentioned, how many Huguenots came to the UK in say 100 years at its height and how did that effect their integration?. | |||
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"I'm new to the politics lounge, and after a brief look at the threads, it appears to me that whoever satisfactorily solves the problem, in a way beneficial to all concerned, is a shoe in for the next prime minister. So, good people of fab, what is the answer! Define the problem. I don't see any problem as things currently are. The vast majority of immigrants just get on with their lives trying to make a living for their families. Basically we're all immigrants here anyway of course. No. No we aren't all immigrants. No but many of us in our lineage will have those who once were immigrants and that's cool.. Maybe so but most Britons descend from early people's. Europeans have living in Europe for millenia. We are the indigenous now. if your lineage is that of a mixture then an arbitrary line on a calendar doesn't make sense, even after the early people's we have had periods in our history when we have given refuge to people suffering persecution.. genetically people in the Orkneys are more Scandinavian, doesn't make them any less British than the descendants of the Huguenot or the Russian Jewish people who came here or any other group... I don't think any sensible person is worried about "immigration" as you say it's not exactly new, the real problem is the speed of it and the integration of different cultures. Like say take the Huguenots that you mentioned, how many Huguenots came to the UK in say 100 years at its height and how did that effect their integration?." there will always be issue's whenever there is change, some people are scared of change.. long before the decision by Blair and co to allow an unknown number of people from the East of Europe there were issues with resources and a lack of infrastructure with schools, housing and the NHS etc so once there was a surge that only impacted on such things and people will seek to blame someone when such things occur.. personally stated on here in the halcyon days when this subject was in the lounge that we need to have a managed immigration system based on who we want who will benefit the country with skills etc.. some don't like that on the left as its cherry picking from certain countries but people have always moved to better themselves as they have done to escape persecution.. what we have now is another badly managed decision by Merkel to say what she did and that multiplied and added to those not only fleeing conflict but others who see the West as an improvement in their lot.. given her countries need for younger people for their economy in the future it possibly seemed like a good idea at the time.. we have for decades had no proper policy Nationally under any Government and part of its impact and their laissez faire attitude was borne out by perceptions of some in the Brexit vote that there needs to be a change.. add in that part of the globe is in conflict which has led to the largest number of people in 70 odd years being displaced and its where we are.. | |||
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"I'm new to the politics lounge, and after a brief look at the threads, it appears to me that whoever satisfactorily solves the problem, in a way beneficial to all concerned, is a shoe in for the next prime minister. So, good people of fab, what is the answer! Define the problem. I don't see any problem as things currently are. The vast majority of immigrants just get on with their lives trying to make a living for their families. Basically we're all immigrants here anyway of course. No. No we aren't all immigrants. No but many of us in our lineage will have those who once were immigrants and that's cool.. Maybe so but most Britons descend from early people's. Europeans have living in Europe for millenia. We are the indigenous now. if your lineage is that of a mixture then an arbitrary line on a calendar doesn't make sense, even after the early people's we have had periods in our history when we have given refuge to people suffering persecution.. genetically people in the Orkneys are more Scandinavian, doesn't make them any less British than the descendants of the Huguenot or the Russian Jewish people who came here or any other group... I don't think any sensible person is worried about "immigration" as you say it's not exactly new, the real problem is the speed of it and the integration of different cultures. Like say take the Huguenots that you mentioned, how many Huguenots came to the UK in say 100 years at its height and how did that effect their integration?. there will always be issue's whenever there is change, some people are scared of change.. long before the decision by Blair and co to allow an unknown number of people from the East of Europe there were issues with resources and a lack of infrastructure with schools, housing and the NHS etc so once there was a surge that only impacted on such things and people will seek to blame someone when such things occur.. personally stated on here in the halcyon days when this subject was in the lounge that we need to have a managed immigration system based on who we want who will benefit the country with skills etc.. some don't like that on the left as its cherry picking from certain countries but people have always moved to better themselves as they have done to escape persecution.. what we have now is another badly managed decision by Merkel to say what she did and that multiplied and added to those not only fleeing conflict but others who see the West as an improvement in their lot.. given her countries need for younger people for their economy in the future it possibly seemed like a good idea at the time.. we have for decades had no proper policy Nationally under any Government and part of its impact and their laissez faire attitude was borne out by perceptions of some in the Brexit vote that there needs to be a change.. add in that part of the globe is in conflict which has led to the largest number of people in 70 odd years being displaced and its where we are.. " . Now you see I'm getting closer and closer to you on thinking and I'd never have thought that!  .
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"I'm new to the politics lounge, and after a brief look at the threads, it appears to me that whoever satisfactorily solves the problem, in a way beneficial to all concerned, is a shoe in for the next prime minister. So, good people of fab, what is the answer! Define the problem. I don't see any problem as things currently are. The vast majority of immigrants just get on with their lives trying to make a living for their families. Basically we're all immigrants here anyway of course. No. No we aren't all immigrants. No but many of us in our lineage will have those who once were immigrants and that's cool.. Maybe so but most Britons descend from early people's. Europeans have living in Europe for millenia. We are the indigenous now. if your lineage is that of a mixture then an arbitrary line on a calendar doesn't make sense, even after the early people's we have had periods in our history when we have given refuge to people suffering persecution.. genetically people in the Orkneys are more Scandinavian, doesn't make them any less British than the descendants of the Huguenot or the Russian Jewish people who came here or any other group... I don't think any sensible person is worried about "immigration" as you say it's not exactly new, the real problem is the speed of it and the integration of different cultures. Like say take the Huguenots that you mentioned, how many Huguenots came to the UK in say 100 years at its height and how did that effect their integration?. there will always be issue's whenever there is change, some people are scared of change.. long before the decision by Blair and co to allow an unknown number of people from the East of Europe there were issues with resources and a lack of infrastructure with schools, housing and the NHS etc so once there was a surge that only impacted on such things and people will seek to blame someone when such things occur.. personally stated on here in the halcyon days when this subject was in the lounge that we need to have a managed immigration system based on who we want who will benefit the country with skills etc.. some don't like that on the left as its cherry picking from certain countries but people have always moved to better themselves as they have done to escape persecution.. what we have now is another badly managed decision by Merkel to say what she did and that multiplied and added to those not only fleeing conflict but others who see the West as an improvement in their lot.. given her countries need for younger people for their economy in the future it possibly seemed like a good idea at the time.. we have for decades had no proper policy Nationally under any Government and part of its impact and their laissez faire attitude was borne out by perceptions of some in the Brexit vote that there needs to be a change.. add in that part of the globe is in conflict which has led to the largest number of people in 70 odd years being displaced and its where we are.. . Now you see I'm getting closer and closer to you on thinking and I'd never have thought that! .
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" the affinity for sandal wearing... .... I'm considering getting a beret as well "a la Frank Spencer..? | |||
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" the affinity for sandal wearing... .... I'm considering getting a beret as well
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" the affinity for sandal wearing... .... I'm considering getting a beret as well
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No no no... I'm thinking more like che Guevara "possibly contentious being a foreign type.. maybe his beret was made in the Empire.. | |||
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" the affinity for sandal wearing... .... I'm considering getting a beret as well
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maybe his beret was made in the Empire..". I can't help it.... I've got a rebellious steak | |||
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