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By *LCC OP   Couple
over a year ago

Cambridge

Hunt has told the NHS that they need to find £22bn in Efficiency Savings by 2020, cutting into an already cash strapped NHS.

But I thought they were going to get an extra £350,000,000 every week, so I can't quite understand it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think the truth is no one knows for sure how much we will save from Brexit ?

I think we will , but until we have left I think it's best to assume it will be Nill and if we do it's a bonus

I think a lot can be saved in admin at the nhs

A pen doesn't make me better

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Hunt has told the NHS that they need to find £22bn in Efficiency Savings by 2020, cutting into an already cash strapped NHS.

But I thought they were going to get an extra £350,000,000 every week, so I can't quite understand it."

Guess you need to write to your MP and encourage them to trigger and support article 50, then work full ahead for a much quicker than 2 year withdrawal, remember 2 years is only a rough guide, we can exit much sooner, or well over 2 years demending on how prepaired we are.

The sooner all MP's back brexit and push forward article 50 then the sooner savings will be made, and the sooner we will have a much more efficient health service

It is well reported how London NHS hospitals are suffering from "Health Tourists

Health tourism costs the NHS an estimated £2billion a year. The Department of Health said all trusts are legally obliged to check patient eligibility and recover charges, Just 20 per cent was recovered and debt collection firms are being used to claim the rest

Hospital bosses were forced to act after 900 foreign expectant mothers used the NHS for free, even heart op's costing up to £11,000

But then again the UK and the majority of its population including many on here are a soft touch, lets find a tree to hug.

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By *andS66Couple
over a year ago

Derby


"Hunt has told the NHS that they need to find £22bn in Efficiency Savings by 2020, cutting into an already cash strapped NHS.

But I thought they were going to get an extra £350,000,000 every week, so I can't quite understand it."

As you keep harping on about, we haven't yet left the EU, so until we do there are no savings... As you should well know.

The £350M was not, and was never, as you know, promised.

As was said above, the sooner we trigger article 50 the better for all. So Just accept it and support it.

Or move abroad to the EU where the sun always shines and the streets are paved with gold.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Hunt has told the NHS that they need to find £22bn in Efficiency Savings by 2020, cutting into an already cash strapped NHS.

But I thought they were going to get an extra £350,000,000 every week, so I can't quite understand it."
how about closing down the tax loopholes of the big corporations.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Article 50 signed.. The sooner the better! I will sign it for them if they haven't the guts.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The problem is 2 fold.

1. Control immigration so the nhs isn't overrun by open door policy

2. Close the loopholes used by big business to avoid paying tax

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By *anes HubbyCouple
over a year ago

Babbacombe Torquay

There never was a 350k in the first place.....

And just last week Jeremy Hunt was on Newsnight boasting how this government is putting record amounts of money into the NHS....he then flew home to Hertfordshire on a pink pig.....

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By *anes HubbyCouple
over a year ago

Babbacombe Torquay

Sorry 350m.....

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By *LCC OP   Couple
over a year ago

Cambridge


"I think the truth is no one knows for sure how much we will save from Brexit ?

I think we will , but until we have left I think it's best to assume it will be Nill and if we do it's a bonus

I think a lot can be saved in admin at the nhs

A pen doesn't make me better "

If no one knows, why did they write a figure on the side of a bus?

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By *LCC OP   Couple
over a year ago

Cambridge


"The problem is 2 fold.

1. Control immigration so the nhs isn't overrun by open door policy

2. Close the loopholes used by big business to avoid paying tax"

What about the staff who work in the NHS?

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By *enard ArgenteMan
over a year ago

London and France


"The problem is 2 fold.

1. Control immigration so the nhs isn't overrun by open door policy

2. Close the loopholes used by big business to avoid paying tax"

It's not immigration ;

Just have the NHS do what it is supposed to do ; treat those whose entitled; make those who aren't, pay.

It's what every other country does perfectly successfully.

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By *igsteve43Man
over a year ago

derby


"The problem is 2 fold.

1. Control immigration so the nhs isn't overrun by open door policy

2. Close the loopholes used by big business to avoid paying tax

It's not immigration ;

Just have the NHS do what it is supposed to do ; treat those whose entitled; make those who aren't, pay.

It's what every other country does perfectly successfully."

I dont know how much time you spend in hospitals _lcc but unfortunately in the last couple of years i have spent a lot of time at the royal in derby o,one of the largest hospitals in the country and simultaneously is one of the best run and worst run hospitals going, it has been running the 7 day service that hunt wants for nearly five years now but has an over reliance on agency staff and pays way over the odds for for goods and services thanks to deals struck by the last labour government give me a few hours with their accounts and i could definitely save them money

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By *anes HubbyCouple
over a year ago

Babbacombe Torquay

The argument about EU migrants being a strain to the NHS is a nonsense, the vast majority of EU migrants are of working age and relatively few EU pensioners have come here, and it's the elderly population that causes the most strain on the NHS.

There is a well documented problem within the NHS of attracting young British people into nursing, particularly from young females, and it's getting worse year on year.

Also many registered nurses are leaving the NHS and are working in the more lucrative nursing agency sector, hospitals are spending Billions on agency nurses.....there is also an urgent need for hospitals to take a serious look at their purchasing departments, again Billions is being wasted through poor purchasing practices.

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By *igsteve43Man
over a year ago

derby


"The argument about EU migrants being a strain to the NHS is a nonsense, the vast majority of EU migrants are of working age and relatively few EU pensioners have come here, and it's the elderly population that causes the most strain on the NHS.

There is a well documented problem within the NHS of attracting young British people into nursing, particularly from young females, and it's getting worse year on year.

Also many registered nurses are leaving the NHS and are working in the more lucrative nursing agency sector, hospitals are spending Billions on agency nurses.....there is also an urgent need for hospitals to take a serious look at their purchasing departments, again Billions is being wasted through poor purchasing practices."

Exactly what i said

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Squander and waste is at epidemic proportions in 'our' NHS. This wastefulness is lead by senior staff across all professional disciplines, medical, nursing, pharmacy etc. Cheaper and equally efficient options exist across the supplier base yet many NHS primary and secondary care establishments continue to run a budget deficit when obvious savings can be made. Often the excuse used against implementing these savings is the time it would take to manage the process, which is valid only so far. When making a simple switch from one brand or supplier to another can save millions at a stroke then we the tax payers deserve and should demand better from NHS management.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Hunt has told the NHS that they need to find £22bn in Efficiency Savings by 2020, cutting into an already cash strapped NHS.

But I thought they were going to get an extra £350,000,000 every week, so I can't quite understand it."

Your error, OP, is assuming that Brexiters were stupid enough to believe the £35m per week claim. It was widely condemned at the time.

I would assume that, as a Remainer, you did not base your decision on Mr Osborne's wild prediction that by 2030 the average UK household would be worse off by the sum of £4,300?

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock


"I think the truth is no one knows for sure how much we will save from Brexit ?

I think we will , but until we have left I think it's best to assume it will be Nill and if we do it's a bonus

I think a lot can be saved in admin at the nhs

A pen doesn't make me better

If no one knows, why did they write a figure on the side of a bus? "

Maybe they did it to annoy Remoaners like you.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Hunt has told the NHS that they need to find £22bn in Efficiency Savings by 2020, cutting into an already cash strapped NHS.

But I thought they were going to get an extra £350,000,000 every week, so I can't quite understand it."

This is old news. Simon Stevens set this target in 2014 when he predicted a £30 billion shortfall. 22 billion would be needed in savings in addition to 8 billion "extra" funding from government.

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock


"Hunt has told the NHS that they need to find £22bn in Efficiency Savings by 2020, cutting into an already cash strapped NHS.

But I thought they were going to get an extra £350,000,000 every week, so I can't quite understand it."

Not the sharpest knife in the drawer are you CLCC. What is it you don't understand that we can't fully leave the EU until 2019 at the earliest, given the 2 year time period after article 50 is invoked.

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By *tillup4funMan
over a year ago

Wakefield


"Hunt has told the NHS that they need to find £22bn in Efficiency Savings by 2020, cutting into an already cash strapped NHS.

But I thought they were going to get an extra £350,000,000 every week, so I can't quite understand it.

Not the sharpest knife in the drawer are you CLCC. What is it you don't understand that we can't fully leave the EU until 2019 at the earliest, given the 2 year time period after article 50 is invoked. "

Its going to be a LONG 2 years with all this moaning going on.

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By *andS66Couple
over a year ago

Derby


"Hunt has told the NHS that they need to find £22bn in Efficiency Savings by 2020, cutting into an already cash strapped NHS.

But I thought they were going to get an extra £350,000,000 every week, so I can't quite understand it.

Not the sharpest knife in the drawer are you CLCC. What is it you don't understand that we can't fully leave the EU until 2019 at the earliest, given the 2 year time period after article 50 is invoked.

Its going to be a LONG 2 years with all this moaning going on. "

It becomes like white noise after a while, doesn't it? Boring, boring, boring....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"The argument about EU migrants being a strain to the NHS is a nonsense, the vast majority of EU migrants are of working age and relatively few EU pensioners have come here, and it's the elderly population that causes the most strain on the NHS.

There is a well documented problem within the NHS of attracting young British people into nursing, particularly from young females, and it's getting worse year on year.

Also many registered nurses are leaving the NHS and are working in the more lucrative nursing agency sector, hospitals are spending Billions on agency nurses.....there is also an urgent need for hospitals to take a serious look at their purchasing departments, again Billions is being wasted through poor purchasing practices."

Never saw anyone's quote on EU migrants, can you point it out.

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and when you do, whats your opinion on Health tourism, are you okay with Health tourism? happy for foreigners to visit UK for medical treatment

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"The argument about EU migrants being a strain to the NHS is a nonsense, the vast majority of EU migrants are of working age and relatively few EU pensioners have come here, and it's the elderly population that causes the most strain on the NHS.

There is a well documented problem within the NHS of attracting young British people into nursing, particularly from young females, and it's getting worse year on year.

Also many registered nurses are leaving the NHS and are working in the more lucrative nursing agency sector, hospitals are spending Billions on agency nurses.....there is also an urgent need for hospitals to take a serious look at their purchasing departments, again Billions is being wasted through poor purchasing practices.

Never saw anyone's quote on EU migrants, can you point it out.

.

and when you do, whats your opinion on Health tourism, are you okay with Health tourism? happy for foreigners to visit UK for medical treatment "

Wait our European Health card will not be valid either?

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By *enard ArgenteMan
over a year ago

London and France


"The argument about EU migrants being a strain to the NHS is a nonsense, the vast majority of EU migrants are of working age and relatively few EU pensioners have come here, and it's the elderly population that causes the most strain on the NHS.

There is a well documented problem within the NHS of attracting young British people into nursing, particularly from young females, and it's getting worse year on year.

Also many registered nurses are leaving the NHS and are working in the more lucrative nursing agency sector, hospitals are spending Billions on agency nurses.....there is also an urgent need for hospitals to take a serious look at their purchasing departments, again Billions is being wasted through poor purchasing practices.

Never saw anyone's quote on EU migrants, can you point it out.

.

and when you do, whats your opinion on Health tourism, are you okay with Health tourism? happy for foreigners to visit UK for medical treatment

Wait our European Health card will not be valid either? "

Nope: the UK will have to negotiate reciprocal agreements with each EU nation; or if it's lucky, be allowed to continue on the EHIC scheme.

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By *LCC OP   Couple
over a year ago

Cambridge


"I think the truth is no one knows for sure how much we will save from Brexit ?

I think we will , but until we have left I think it's best to assume it will be Nill and if we do it's a bonus

I think a lot can be saved in admin at the nhs

A pen doesn't make me better

If no one knows, why did they write a figure on the side of a bus?

Maybe they did it to annoy Remoaners like you. "

Or to con people like you?

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By *LCC OP   Couple
over a year ago

Cambridge


"Hunt has told the NHS that they need to find £22bn in Efficiency Savings by 2020, cutting into an already cash strapped NHS.

But I thought they were going to get an extra £350,000,000 every week, so I can't quite understand it.

Not the sharpest knife in the drawer are you CLCC. What is it you don't understand that we can't fully leave the EU until 2019 at the earliest, given the 2 year time period after article 50 is invoked. "

Well I'm smarter than you as I know that 2020 is after 2019, so why still cutting for a year when we are meant to be increasing the budget by £350m per week?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"There never was a 350k in the first place.....

And just last week Jeremy Hunt was on Newsnight boasting how this government is putting record amounts of money into the NHS....he then flew home to Hertfordshire on a pink pig....."

Lots of nhs money is being paid out in compensation and also agency staff. Both need addressing! No good increasing spending when its being wasted.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"The problem is 2 fold.

1. Control immigration so the nhs isn't overrun by open door policy

2. Close the loopholes used by big business to avoid paying tax

What about the staff who work in the NHS? "
stop treating them like shit for a start!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"The problem is 2 fold.

1. Control immigration so the nhs isn't overrun by open door policy

2. Close the loopholes used by big business to avoid paying tax

What about the staff who work in the NHS? "
if you mean foreign staff keep them here or allow then in. Btw Did you know. Taking staff from the philippines depleted badly needed staff from that country? Ethics cut both ways you know!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Hunt has told the NHS that they need to find £22bn in Efficiency Savings by 2020, cutting into an already cash strapped NHS.

But I thought they were going to get an extra £350,000,000 every week, so I can't quite understand it.

Not the sharpest knife in the drawer are you CLCC. What is it you don't understand that we can't fully leave the EU until 2019 at the earliest, given the 2 year time period after article 50 is invoked.

Well I'm smarter than you as I know that 2020 is after 2019, so why still cutting for a year when we are meant to be increasing the budget by £350m per week? "

We will come back to you in 2030 to see if Osborne was right.

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock


"Hunt has told the NHS that they need to find £22bn in Efficiency Savings by 2020, cutting into an already cash strapped NHS.

But I thought they were going to get an extra £350,000,000 every week, so I can't quite understand it.

Not the sharpest knife in the drawer are you CLCC. What is it you don't understand that we can't fully leave the EU until 2019 at the earliest, given the 2 year time period after article 50 is invoked.

Well I'm smarter than you "

Yeah but my dad is better at boxing than your dad.

Honestly you really need to grow up.

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By *anes HubbyCouple
over a year ago

Babbacombe Torquay


"The argument about EU migrants being a strain to the NHS is a nonsense, the vast majority of EU migrants are of working age and relatively few EU pensioners have come here, and it's the elderly population that causes the most strain on the NHS.

There is a well documented problem within the NHS of attracting young British people into nursing, particularly from young females, and it's getting worse year on year.

Also many registered nurses are leaving the NHS and are working in the more lucrative nursing agency sector, hospitals are spending Billions on agency nurses.....there is also an urgent need for hospitals to take a serious look at their purchasing departments, again Billions is being wasted through poor purchasing practices.

Never saw anyone's quote on EU migrants, can you point it out.

.

and when you do, whats your opinion on Health tourism, are you okay with Health tourism? happy for foreigners to visit UK for medical treatment

Wait our European Health card will not be valid either?

Nope: the UK will have to negotiate reciprocal agreements with each EU nation; or if it's lucky, be allowed to continue on the EHIC scheme.

"

Unfortunately, and this would impact heavily on the hundreds of thousands of pensioners living in Spain and Portugal, the EU have already stated that EU countries will not be able to enter into individual reciprocal agreements with the UK when we leave.....Pensioners groups have been lobbying parliament since the referendum for reassurances from the UK government regarding this.

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By *enard ArgenteMan
over a year ago

London and France


"The argument about EU migrants being a strain to the NHS is a nonsense, the vast majority of EU migrants are of working age and relatively few EU pensioners have come here, and it's the elderly population that causes the most strain on the NHS.

There is a well documented problem within the NHS of attracting young British people into nursing, particularly from young females, and it's getting worse year on year.

Also many registered nurses are leaving the NHS and are working in the more lucrative nursing agency sector, hospitals are spending Billions on agency nurses.....there is also an urgent need for hospitals to take a serious look at their purchasing departments, again Billions is being wasted through poor purchasing practices.

Never saw anyone's quote on EU migrants, can you point it out.

.

and when you do, whats your opinion on Health tourism, are you okay with Health tourism? happy for foreigners to visit UK for medical treatment

Wait our European Health card will not be valid either?

Nope: the UK will have to negotiate reciprocal agreements with each EU nation; or if it's lucky, be allowed to continue on the EHIC scheme.

Unfortunately, and this would impact heavily on the hundreds of thousands of pensioners living in Spain and Portugal, the EU have already stated that EU countries will not be able to enter into individual reciprocal agreements with the UK when we leave.....Pensioners groups have been lobbying parliament since the referendum for reassurances from the UK government regarding this."

Yep; though that's not the EHIC, that's thecS1 scheme ( Workers S1 for overseas workers - the ones " posted" to the EU by their companies; and Retirement S1s for pensioners living in the EU)

There was a reciprocal agreement before the EU, as it happens:

The government may remove this facility for those living overseas ; which would be a bit counterproductive, as pensioners would simply claim reimbursement of their medical costs back from the UK.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

BBC 2 'who is spending britain's billions'! Anyone see it?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"BBC 2 'who is spending britain's billions'! Anyone see it? "

Dam just started another thread about it bloody sharks the lot of them

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