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"He's gone. " It was predictable. Not just because of the assault he was a victim of, but because as he puts it, UKIP seems to be in a death spiral. The assault was probably the nail in the head for his decision, and the party is fragmenting into deeply entrenched camps. I disagree with him on some issues, but he seems like a decent enough fellow, I understand why he'd jump out of a sinking ship. | |||
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"Can see Woolfe joining the Conservative's now if they'll have him? (was speculation of him joining them before and that is what caused the 'altercation') Nigel Farage is to remain interim leader now until at least Christmas time when a new leader will be elected. If Ukip are to survive then Farage needs to steady the ship. " I hope he has a ready supply of buckets then.... | |||
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"Well he has resigned from UKIP but will continue as an "independent" MEP. The hypocrisy of politicians like him who have made a career out of complaining about the EU "gravy train" but will cling on to the train with all their might even though they don't believe in it is just disgusting in my opinion. " LOL, Woolfe is not staying on as an MEP to make a positive case for the EU. He will continue to make the case for Leave and will continue as an independent to be a spanner in the works of the EU machine to the best of his ability. He'll soon join the tories now anyway, now that the government has said Brexit means Brexit and we are leaving the EU. | |||
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"The 'spanners in the works' in Brussels are of little use, they often make themselves look bloody stupid on the very rare occasions that they do have any debating input, for many of them it's one big jolly over there......" It makes me laugh because up until the last 4 years a significant amount of people didn't even know what an MEP was. On the other note, I love how they criticise other MEP's as having never worked a day in their lives, yet when we all found out about paying farage to turn up to 2 out of 42 fishery commission meetings, and that UKIP MEP's only turned up to a third of debates, it somewhat loses the effect. A spanner in the works, what was it for the first few years, a strategic spanner in the works? | |||
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"Well he has resigned from UKIP but will continue as an "independent" MEP. The hypocrisy of politicians like him who have made a career out of complaining about the EU "gravy train" but will cling on to the train with all their might even though they don't believe in it is just disgusting in my opinion. LOL, Woolfe is not staying on as an MEP to make a positive case for the EU. He will continue to make the case for Leave and will continue as an independent to be a spanner in the works of the EU machine to the best of his ability. He'll soon join the tories now anyway, now that the government has said Brexit means Brexit and we are leaving the EU. " The UK is leaving the EU, how does being a "spanner in the works" for the other 27 nations help his constituents exactly? | |||
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"The 'spanners in the works' in Brussels are of little use, they often make themselves look bloody stupid on the very rare occasions that they do have any debating input, for many of them it's one big jolly over there...... It makes me laugh because up until the last 4 years a significant amount of people didn't even know what an MEP was. On the other note, I love how they criticise other MEP's as having never worked a day in their lives, yet when we all found out about paying farage to turn up to 2 out of 42 fishery commission meetings, and that UKIP MEP's only turned up to a third of debates, it somewhat loses the effect. A spanner in the works, what was it for the first few years, a strategic spanner in the works?" Farage is another, claiming his MEP salary whilst following Trump around the US like a little poodle. What work is he doing for his constituents? Yet he is the first to complain about the EU gravy train and fat cats in Brussels. Farage complains about foreigners coming to the UK and not speaking English in public, yet has lived in Belgium for 20 years and can't speak French or Flemish. The man is a repugnant hypocrit. | |||
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"The 'spanners in the works' in Brussels are of little use, they often make themselves look bloody stupid on the very rare occasions that they do have any debating input, for many of them it's one big jolly over there...... It makes me laugh because up until the last 4 years a significant amount of people didn't even know what an MEP was. On the other note, I love how they criticise other MEP's as having never worked a day in their lives, yet when we all found out about paying farage to turn up to 2 out of 42 fishery commission meetings, and that UKIP MEP's only turned up to a third of debates, it somewhat loses the effect. A spanner in the works, what was it for the first few years, a strategic spanner in the works?" Farage is also happy enough to sail up the Thames on a fishing boat though isn't he? | |||
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"The 'spanners in the works' in Brussels are of little use, they often make themselves look bloody stupid on the very rare occasions that they do have any debating input, for many of them it's one big jolly over there...... It makes me laugh because up until the last 4 years a significant amount of people didn't even know what an MEP was. On the other note, I love how they criticise other MEP's as having never worked a day in their lives, yet when we all found out about paying farage to turn up to 2 out of 42 fishery commission meetings, and that UKIP MEP's only turned up to a third of debates, it somewhat loses the effect. A spanner in the works, what was it for the first few years, a strategic spanner in the works? Farage is another, claiming his MEP salary whilst following Trump around the US like a little poodle. What work is he doing for his constituents? Yet he is the first to complain about the EU gravy train and fat cats in Brussels. Farage complains about foreigners coming to the UK and not speaking English in public, yet has lived in Belgium for 20 years and can't speak French or Flemish. The man is a repugnant hypocrit." On the Trump thing, he ranted enough when Obama gave us his advice on brext. Ranting how foreign politicians should stop trying to influence a nation's voters. Yet there he is, advising a foreign politician, probably knowing full well that he is popular amongst American Trump supporters. | |||
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"I totally agree, I watch EPTV regularly and Steven Woolfe's contributions to debates are more often than not nonsensical and evasive. It's not good enough just arguing against EVERYTHING the EU does as an MEP, you need to pick your battles or you will never be taken seriously by your adversaries." Its a balance, they are paid to turn up to debates so they should, even if the best they can do is listen and take in the information to be passed back to the UK parliament, if they are well versed in the topic of the discussion then they should input into the debate critically in their advice or criticism. | |||
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"Well he has resigned from UKIP but will continue as an "independent" MEP. The hypocrisy of politicians like him who have made a career out of complaining about the EU "gravy train" but will cling on to the train with all their might even though they don't believe in it is just disgusting in my opinion. LOL, Woolfe is not staying on as an MEP to make a positive case for the EU. He will continue to make the case for Leave and will continue as an independent to be a spanner in the works of the EU machine to the best of his ability. He'll soon join the tories now anyway, now that the government has said Brexit means Brexit and we are leaving the EU. The UK is leaving the EU, how does being a "spanner in the works" for the other 27 nations help his constituents exactly? " When Britain fully leaves the EU in 2019 (if article 50 is invoked in march 2017) then all British MEP's will leave the EU Parliament then. Until that time Britain will remain a member of the EU and British MEP's will remain in the European parliament. I voted for Ukip in the MEP elections so that they would be a spanner in the works of the EU, because I want Britain out of the EU. UKIP MEP's are doing exactly what I elected them to do and I hope they continue until our full departure in 2019. | |||
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"I totally agree, I watch EPTV regularly and Steven Woolfe's contributions to debates are more often than not nonsensical and evasive. It's not good enough just arguing against EVERYTHING the EU does as an MEP, you need to pick your battles or you will never be taken seriously by your adversaries. Its a balance, they are paid to turn up to debates so they should, even if the best they can do is listen and take in the information to be passed back to the UK parliament, if they are well versed in the topic of the discussion then they should input into the debate critically in their advice or criticism." no they shouldn't, they should take as much money as they can, do as little as possible, avoid it as much as they can and show it up for what it is, a complete waste of money and a load of old bollocks | |||
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"The 'spanners in the works' in Brussels are of little use, they often make themselves look bloody stupid on the very rare occasions that they do have any debating input, for many of them it's one big jolly over there...... It makes me laugh because up until the last 4 years a significant amount of people didn't even know what an MEP was. On the other note, I love how they criticise other MEP's as having never worked a day in their lives, yet when we all found out about paying farage to turn up to 2 out of 42 fishery commission meetings, and that UKIP MEP's only turned up to a third of debates, it somewhat loses the effect. A spanner in the works, what was it for the first few years, a strategic spanner in the works? Farage is another, claiming his MEP salary whilst following Trump around the US like a little poodle. What work is he doing for his constituents? Yet he is the first to complain about the EU gravy train and fat cats in Brussels. Farage complains about foreigners coming to the UK and not speaking English in public, yet has lived in Belgium for 20 years and can't speak French or Flemish. The man is a repugnant hypocrit." Farage is doing a good job of representing the views of Brits in the European parliament who want out of the EU. Exactly the reason why I voted Ukip in the MEP elections. Ukip won the MEP elections in the UK, with more MEP's than any other party, helped to raise the public profile of Ukip as a party, pressured Cameron into delivering an EU referendum and then Farage helped secure victory for Leave in that referendum. Against all odds Farage and Ukip have accomplished what they set out to do, thoroughly good job, the man deserves a knighthood. | |||
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"The 'spanners in the works' in Brussels are of little use, they often make themselves look bloody stupid on the very rare occasions that they do have any debating input, for many of them it's one big jolly over there...... It makes me laugh because up until the last 4 years a significant amount of people didn't even know what an MEP was. On the other note, I love how they criticise other MEP's as having never worked a day in their lives, yet when we all found out about paying farage to turn up to 2 out of 42 fishery commission meetings, and that UKIP MEP's only turned up to a third of debates, it somewhat loses the effect. A spanner in the works, what was it for the first few years, a strategic spanner in the works? Farage is also happy enough to sail up the Thames on a fishing boat though isn't he? " .....and in the process managed to make Bob Geldof look like a complete and utter twat. | |||
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"The 'spanners in the works' in Brussels are of little use, they often make themselves look bloody stupid on the very rare occasions that they do have any debating input, for many of them it's one big jolly over there...... It makes me laugh because up until the last 4 years a significant amount of people didn't even know what an MEP was. On the other note, I love how they criticise other MEP's as having never worked a day in their lives, yet when we all found out about paying farage to turn up to 2 out of 42 fishery commission meetings, and that UKIP MEP's only turned up to a third of debates, it somewhat loses the effect. A spanner in the works, what was it for the first few years, a strategic spanner in the works? Farage is another, claiming his MEP salary whilst following Trump around the US like a little poodle. What work is he doing for his constituents? Yet he is the first to complain about the EU gravy train and fat cats in Brussels. Farage complains about foreigners coming to the UK and not speaking English in public, yet has lived in Belgium for 20 years and can't speak French or Flemish. The man is a repugnant hypocrit. On the Trump thing, he ranted enough when Obama gave us his advice on brext. Ranting how foreign politicians should stop trying to influence a nation's voters. Yet there he is, advising a foreign politician, probably knowing full well that he is popular amongst American Trump supporters." It's very simple, it's called payback. Now Obama is learning payback is a bitch. | |||
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"The 'spanners in the works' in Brussels are of little use, they often make themselves look bloody stupid on the very rare occasions that they do have any debating input, for many of them it's one big jolly over there...... It makes me laugh because up until the last 4 years a significant amount of people didn't even know what an MEP was. On the other note, I love how they criticise other MEP's as having never worked a day in their lives, yet when we all found out about paying farage to turn up to 2 out of 42 fishery commission meetings, and that UKIP MEP's only turned up to a third of debates, it somewhat loses the effect. A spanner in the works, what was it for the first few years, a strategic spanner in the works?" It's not a case of people not knowing what one is, it's that people don't know what they do and why there is a need for them. Any of them | |||
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"The 'spanners in the works' in Brussels are of little use, they often make themselves look bloody stupid on the very rare occasions that they do have any debating input, for many of them it's one big jolly over there...... It makes me laugh because up until the last 4 years a significant amount of people didn't even know what an MEP was. On the other note, I love how they criticise other MEP's as having never worked a day in their lives, yet when we all found out about paying farage to turn up to 2 out of 42 fishery commission meetings, and that UKIP MEP's only turned up to a third of debates, it somewhat loses the effect. A spanner in the works, what was it for the first few years, a strategic spanner in the works? Farage is another, claiming his MEP salary whilst following Trump around the US like a little poodle. What work is he doing for his constituents? Yet he is the first to complain about the EU gravy train and fat cats in Brussels. Farage complains about foreigners coming to the UK and not speaking English in public, yet has lived in Belgium for 20 years and can't speak French or Flemish. The man is a repugnant hypocrit. Farage is doing a good job of representing the views of Brits in the European parliament who want out of the EU. Exactly the reason why I voted Ukip in the MEP elections. Ukip won the MEP elections in the UK, with more MEP's than any other party, helped to raise the public profile of Ukip as a party, pressured Cameron into delivering an EU referendum and then Farage helped secure victory for Leave in that referendum. Against all odds Farage and Ukip have accomplished what they set out to do, thoroughly good job, the man deserves a knighthood. "22 out of 73 MEP's which isn't the view of Brits. Minority from a constituency point of view. You cannot assume because we voted leave we support Farage. You cannot assume that he represents us because of a simple yes no question. A lot of assumptions there. | |||
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"The 'spanners in the works' in Brussels are of little use, they often make themselves look bloody stupid on the very rare occasions that they do have any debating input, for many of them it's one big jolly over there...... It makes me laugh because up until the last 4 years a significant amount of people didn't even know what an MEP was. On the other note, I love how they criticise other MEP's as having never worked a day in their lives, yet when we all found out about paying farage to turn up to 2 out of 42 fishery commission meetings, and that UKIP MEP's only turned up to a third of debates, it somewhat loses the effect. A spanner in the works, what was it for the first few years, a strategic spanner in the works? Farage is another, claiming his MEP salary whilst following Trump around the US like a little poodle. What work is he doing for his constituents? Yet he is the first to complain about the EU gravy train and fat cats in Brussels. Farage complains about foreigners coming to the UK and not speaking English in public, yet has lived in Belgium for 20 years and can't speak French or Flemish. The man is a repugnant hypocrit. Farage is doing a good job of representing the views of Brits in the European parliament who want out of the EU. Exactly the reason why I voted Ukip in the MEP elections. Ukip won the MEP elections in the UK, with more MEP's than any other party, helped to raise the public profile of Ukip as a party, pressured Cameron into delivering an EU referendum and then Farage helped secure victory for Leave in that referendum. Against all odds Farage and Ukip have accomplished what they set out to do, thoroughly good job, the man deserves a knighthood.
22 out of 73 MEP's which isn't the view of Brits. Minority from a constituency point of view. You cannot assume because we voted leave we support Farage. You cannot assume that he represents us because of a simple yes no question. A lot of assumptions there."I never said that I said he represents the views of Brits who want out of the EU. Call it 22 out of 73 MEP's for Ukip if you like, it's still more MEP's for Ukip than any other party has. | |||
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"The 'spanners in the works' in Brussels are of little use, they often make themselves look bloody stupid on the very rare occasions that they do have any debating input, for many of them it's one big jolly over there...... It makes me laugh because up until the last 4 years a significant amount of people didn't even know what an MEP was. On the other note, I love how they criticise other MEP's as having never worked a day in their lives, yet when we all found out about paying farage to turn up to 2 out of 42 fishery commission meetings, and that UKIP MEP's only turned up to a third of debates, it somewhat loses the effect. A spanner in the works, what was it for the first few years, a strategic spanner in the works? Farage is another, claiming his MEP salary whilst following Trump around the US like a little poodle. What work is he doing for his constituents? Yet he is the first to complain about the EU gravy train and fat cats in Brussels. Farage complains about foreigners coming to the UK and not speaking English in public, yet has lived in Belgium for 20 years and can't speak French or Flemish. The man is a repugnant hypocrit. Farage is doing a good job of representing the views of Brits in the European parliament who want out of the EU. Exactly the reason why I voted Ukip in the MEP elections. Ukip won the MEP elections in the UK, with more MEP's than any other party, helped to raise the public profile of Ukip as a party, pressured Cameron into delivering an EU referendum and then Farage helped secure victory for Leave in that referendum. Against all odds Farage and Ukip have accomplished what they set out to do, thoroughly good job, the man deserves a knighthood.
22 out of 73 MEP's which isn't the view of Brits. Minority from a constituency point of view. You cannot assume because we voted leave we support Farage. You cannot assume that he represents us because of a simple yes no question. A lot of assumptions there.
I never said that I said he represents the views of Brits who want out of the EU. Call it 22 out of 73 MEP's for Ukip if you like, it's still more MEP's for Ukip than any other party has. "Very true. I assumed it  | |||
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"The 'spanners in the works' in Brussels are of little use, they often make themselves look bloody stupid on the very rare occasions that they do have any debating input, for many of them it's one big jolly over there...... It makes me laugh because up until the last 4 years a significant amount of people didn't even know what an MEP was. On the other note, I love how they criticise other MEP's as having never worked a day in their lives, yet when we all found out about paying farage to turn up to 2 out of 42 fishery commission meetings, and that UKIP MEP's only turned up to a third of debates, it somewhat loses the effect. A spanner in the works, what was it for the first few years, a strategic spanner in the works? Farage is another, claiming his MEP salary whilst following Trump around the US like a little poodle. What work is he doing for his constituents? Yet he is the first to complain about the EU gravy train and fat cats in Brussels. Farage complains about foreigners coming to the UK and not speaking English in public, yet has lived in Belgium for 20 years and can't speak French or Flemish. The man is a repugnant hypocrit. Farage is doing a good job of representing the views of Brits in the European parliament who want out of the EU. Exactly the reason why I voted Ukip in the MEP elections. Ukip won the MEP elections in the UK, with more MEP's than any other party, helped to raise the public profile of Ukip as a party, pressured Cameron into delivering an EU referendum and then Farage helped secure victory for Leave in that referendum. Against all odds Farage and Ukip have accomplished what they set out to do, thoroughly good job, the man deserves a knighthood.
22 out of 73 MEP's which isn't the view of Brits. Minority from a constituency point of view. You cannot assume because we voted leave we support Farage. You cannot assume that he represents us because of a simple yes no question. A lot of assumptions there.
I never said that I said he represents the views of Brits who want out of the EU. Call it 22 out of 73 MEP's for Ukip if you like, it's still more MEP's for Ukip than any other party has.
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"You complain about EU waste, but have MEPs who aren't doing anything, aren't even in the country that they are paid to work in, and you think that's a good thing? " I'll let you into a secret, Labour MEP's, Conservative MEP's and Lib dem MEP's are not always in the country they are paid to work in either, now shuuuushhhhh don't tell anyone.  | |||
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"You complain about EU waste, but have MEPs who aren't doing anything, aren't even in the country that they are paid to work in, and you think that's a good thing? I'll let you into a secret, Labour MEP's, Conservative MEP's and Lib dem MEP's are not always in the country they are paid to work in either, now shuuuushhhhh don't tell anyone. "Yet I don't see you defending them? Seriously what benefit is an ex-UKIP MEP from a country leaving the EU? | |||
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"You complain about EU waste, but have MEPs who aren't doing anything, aren't even in the country that they are paid to work in, and you think that's a good thing? I'll let you into a secret, Labour MEP's, Conservative MEP's and Lib dem MEP's are not always in the country they are paid to work in either, now shuuuushhhhh don't tell anyone.
Yet I don't see you defending them? Seriously what benefit is an ex-UKIP MEP from a country leaving the EU? "Steven Woolfe was democratically elected by the people who voted for him to represent their views in the European parliament. He will continue to do so as an independent. Honestly can't see what your problem is? | |||
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"You complain about EU waste, but have MEPs who aren't doing anything, aren't even in the country that they are paid to work in, and you think that's a good thing? I'll let you into a secret, Labour MEP's, Conservative MEP's and Lib dem MEP's are not always in the country they are paid to work in either, now shuuuushhhhh don't tell anyone.
Yet I don't see you defending them? Seriously what benefit is an ex-UKIP MEP from a country leaving the EU?
Steven Woolfe was democratically elected by the people who voted for him to represent their views in the European parliament. He will continue to do so as an independent. Honestly can't see what your problem is? "Problem? He's a bit of a joke ? | |||
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"You complain about EU waste, but have MEPs who aren't doing anything, aren't even in the country that they are paid to work in, and you think that's a good thing? I'll let you into a secret, Labour MEP's, Conservative MEP's and Lib dem MEP's are not always in the country they are paid to work in either, now shuuuushhhhh don't tell anyone.
Yet I don't see you defending them? Seriously what benefit is an ex-UKIP MEP from a country leaving the EU?
Steven Woolfe was democratically elected by the people who voted for him to represent their views in the European parliament. He will continue to do so as an independent. Honestly can't see what your problem is? "I thought you said he was going to be a spanner in the works? What about his constituents that want him to work constructively with the EU, and the ones who want to remain in the EU, how will he represent them? | |||
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"You complain about EU waste, but have MEPs who aren't doing anything, aren't even in the country that they are paid to work in, and you think that's a good thing? I'll let you into a secret, Labour MEP's, Conservative MEP's and Lib dem MEP's are not always in the country they are paid to work in either, now shuuuushhhhh don't tell anyone.
Yet I don't see you defending them? Seriously what benefit is an ex-UKIP MEP from a country leaving the EU?
Steven Woolfe was democratically elected by the people who voted for him to represent their views in the European parliament. He will continue to do so as an independent. Honestly can't see what your problem is?
I thought you said he was going to be a spanner in the works? What about his constituents that want him to work constructively with the EU, and the ones who want to remain in the EU, how will he represent them?"What planet are you living on? He can work as an independent and be a spanner in the works of the EU. Secondly he is there to represent the views of those constituents who voted for him. None of those ukip voters who voted for him want to remain in the EU and I seriously doubt anyone who voted for him wants him to work constructively with the EU. The whole point of voting for someone like him is so that he would be an obstruction to the EU. | |||
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"Well he has resigned from UKIP but will continue as an "independent" MEP. The hypocrisy of politicians like him who have made a career out of complaining about the EU "gravy train" but will cling on to the train with all their might even though they don't believe in it is just disgusting in my opinion. LOL, Woolfe is not staying on as an MEP to make a positive case for the EU. He will continue to make the case for Leave and will continue as an independent to be a spanner in the works of the EU machine to the best of his ability. He'll soon join the tories now anyway, now that the government has said Brexit means Brexit and we are leaving the EU. The UK is leaving the EU, how does being a "spanner in the works" for the other 27 nations help his constituents exactly? When Britain fully leaves the EU in 2019 (if article 50 is invoked in march 2017) then all British MEP's will leave the EU Parliament then. Until that time Britain will remain a member of the EU and British MEP's will remain in the European parliament. I voted for Ukip in the MEP elections so that they would be a spanner in the works of the EU, because I want Britain out of the EU. UKIP MEP's are doing exactly what I elected them to do and I hope they continue until our full departure in 2019. "With all their spare time picking up a salary but not attending debates or doing anything for their constituents, you'd think they'd at least come up with a coherent ready made exit plan just in case the referendum went their way. | |||
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"Well he has resigned from UKIP but will continue as an "independent" MEP. The hypocrisy of politicians like him who have made a career out of complaining about the EU "gravy train" but will cling on to the train with all their might even though they don't believe in it is just disgusting in my opinion. LOL, Woolfe is not staying on as an MEP to make a positive case for the EU. He will continue to make the case for Leave and will continue as an independent to be a spanner in the works of the EU machine to the best of his ability. He'll soon join the tories now anyway, now that the government has said Brexit means Brexit and we are leaving the EU. The UK is leaving the EU, how does being a "spanner in the works" for the other 27 nations help his constituents exactly? When Britain fully leaves the EU in 2019 (if article 50 is invoked in march 2017) then all British MEP's will leave the EU Parliament then. Until that time Britain will remain a member of the EU and British MEP's will remain in the European parliament. I voted for Ukip in the MEP elections so that they would be a spanner in the works of the EU, because I want Britain out of the EU. UKIP MEP's are doing exactly what I elected them to do and I hope they continue until our full departure in 2019.
With all their spare time picking up a salary but not attending debates or doing anything for their constituents, you'd think they'd at least come up with a coherent ready made exit plan just in case the referendum went their way.
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"In other words, they didn't have one. Big on rhetoric, big on appealing to irrational emotions, short on reason, intellect, specifics and details, which is unfortunately where the devil lies. " That more accurately describes the Labour party now | |||
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"Well he has resigned from UKIP but will continue as an "independent" MEP. The hypocrisy of politicians like him who have made a career out of complaining about the EU "gravy train" but will cling on to the train with all their might even though they don't believe in it is just disgusting in my opinion. LOL, Woolfe is not staying on as an MEP to make a positive case for the EU. He will continue to make the case for Leave and will continue as an independent to be a spanner in the works of the EU machine to the best of his ability. He'll soon join the tories now anyway, now that the government has said Brexit means Brexit and we are leaving the EU. The UK is leaving the EU, how does being a "spanner in the works" for the other 27 nations help his constituents exactly? When Britain fully leaves the EU in 2019 (if article 50 is invoked in march 2017) then all British MEP's will leave the EU Parliament then. Until that time Britain will remain a member of the EU and British MEP's will remain in the European parliament. I voted for Ukip in the MEP elections so that they would be a spanner in the works of the EU, because I want Britain out of the EU. UKIP MEP's are doing exactly what I elected them to do and I hope they continue until our full departure in 2019.
With all their spare time picking up a salary but not attending debates or doing anything for their constituents, you'd think they'd at least come up with a coherent ready made exit plan just in case the referendum went their way.
"therein lies part of the issue, they panicked Cameron into asking the question knowing that they would not have to have any plan or cohesive strategy for if the answer was what they hoped for.. they knew the Government (of the last couple of decades) had no details for a what if scenario with the EU going pear shaped or such a vote occurring.. and now we are where we are they who moaned about sovereignty being returned to our democracy and not in the hands of unelected whomever over there want to ignore that Parliament is and should be allowed to scrutinise the final position whenever that occurs.. | |||
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"In other words, they didn't have one. Big on rhetoric, big on appealing to irrational emotions, short on reason, intellect, specifics and details, which is unfortunately where the devil lies. " I think you,ll find David Cameron was the one who called the referendum and he SHOULD have had a plan too just in case the vote was leave HE was the PM nobody else. | |||
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"In other words, they didn't have one. Big on rhetoric, big on appealing to irrational emotions, short on reason, intellect, specifics and details, which is unfortunately where the devil lies. I think you,ll find David Cameron was the one who called the referendum and he SHOULD have had a plan too just in case the vote was leave HE was the PM nobody else. "Sack him! | |||
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"David Cameron was a shocking PM. His entire strategy on this referendum was based on a promise he made entirely for party political reasons to counter the threat from UKIP. He never expected to deliver because he never thought he would get an overall majority in the election. Having done so, his strategy was then to gamble that a short campaign would not allow the Brexiters time to get organised and put forward an economic argument that would stand up to scrutiny. Therefore voters, who usually primarily vote on the economy would have no choice but to vote logically and choose the known option (REMAIN) rather than vote for the very unknown and potentially chaotic/catastrophic option (LEAVE). This strategy had already worked for him in the Scottish referendum, where enough voters didn't know what they would be voting FOR if they voted for independence, so felt compelled to take the safe option. He was correct that the Leave Campaign would not be able to put up any sort of economic argument. Most people who voted REMAIN did so for economic grounds. Where he was wrong was in assuming the Leave campaign would play ball with him and concentrate on the economy. Realising this would be a futile strategy and an argument they couldn't win and appallingly hadn't really thought about the details anyway, so were underequipped to debate without looking foolish, LEAVE ignored the Economics. Instead they focused on appealing to emotion rather than reason, building on many years of anti EU press coverage which had been allowed to go unchallenged as no-one in government (Labour, Coalition and Tory) thought membership of the EU was ever seriously under threat, found the EU made a convenient scapegoat from their own failings and in the Tories case would have highlighted their splits on Europe. They were also able to build on fears of immigration which was another subject overblown as an issue due to years or fear mongering in the right wing press and never properly addressed for years. Although it was tackled to a degree in the campaign, because the campaign was so short, it couldn't be fully explained to a public whose minds were already set. In terms of strategy, Cameron was outmanouevred. Most Leave voters were primarily concerned with Sovereignty of Parliament and control of borders, while only 1 in 20 were primarily bothered about the economic impact. The campaign should have been several years long. This was a major decision and every citizen, on both sides and undecideds deserved a proper rigorous examination of all the issues. The PM let down his citizens with a short hurried campaign. The victorious side deserve to be able to say even if it was by a 50.1% to 49.9% margin that all issues were thoroughly debated and tested and therefore the right decision has been made. Mind you, usually a big change like this would have a higher threshold of voting than more than 50%, more like 60% or even 2/3. More incompetence from Cameron. The short campaign backfired on him. It meant that the Leave Campaign could spout of all sorts of exaggerations and lies and there was not enough time for proper debunking to sink in. To make things worse the PM and Chancellor responded with their own exaggerations which had the result of making many of the electorate sceptical about everything both sides said and some people felt unable to vote at all.Not to mention this disgraceful tactic undemines and brings in to disrepute the highest office in the land. In addition he was further aided by the media, who focused not on the issues and properly informing the public, as a responsible press is beholden to do, but on the personalities, machinations and backstabbing in the Tory Party, which was more entertaining and ratings friendly to our free press, but should not have been more important. So, when you say that Cameron should have had a plan in case we voted leave, you are absolutely right and it is in keeping with his incompetence and dereliction of duty throughout his tenure particularly on Europe. However it is no surprise, is it? He not once put the country, in fact the whole of Europe, first. He did not believe in leaving either. When you believe in something you tend to work on it more. Also, he didn't have the time, thanks to his own disgusting tactics of a short campaign. Never the less, that Cameron has been appalling does not let the Brexiters off the hook. It was all some of them banged on about for years and years. To not have any detailed plans how to put things into practice is a bigger dereliction of duty and even more incompetence than Cameron. " Funny how Mark Carney the governor of the Bank of England had a plan for Leave and a plan for Remain though. If he could do it in the time frame of the referendum then Cameron could have used the tools in government to have a contingency plan for both outcomes as well. | |||
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"From the news the day after the election 'Stressing that some market and economic volatility was to be expected in the aftermath of the Brexit vote, Carney added: “But we are well prepared for this. The Treasury and the Bank of England have engaged in extensive contingency planning and the chancellor and I have been in close contact, including through the night and this morning.” So the Bank of England AND the Treasury did some planning to stabilise the markets and currency. As you know that is a limited brief and not the same as having a brexit plan worked out in detail. And once again, by focusing on Cameron you are trying to absolve the Leave campaign of their responsibility and competence. They had fucking years to try and come up with an exit strategy. It was UKIP's entire reason for existence ffs! So why didn't they? " You really believe the Tory government would accept and implement in full Ukips plan for leaving the EU. Seriously just how deluded are you? | |||
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"I don't know. Can we see it please?" I can tell you article 50 would have already been triggered by now if Nigel Farage was Prime Minister and we would most certainly be leaving the single market too. | |||
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"The 'spanners in the works' in Brussels are of little use, they often make themselves look bloody stupid on the very rare occasions that they do have any debating input, for many of them it's one big jolly over there......" That and the fact that the MEPs have no real power anyway. The commissioners and the likes of that moron (fingers in my ears la la la) Junkers hold all the sway. Even the council of ministers can't really do much. | |||
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"I don't know. Can we see it please? I can tell you article 50 would have already been triggered by now if Nigel Farage was Prime Minister and we would most certainly be leaving the single market too. " So he'd have triggered it without a plan? Or he has a plan but he is still keeping it secret? | |||
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"I don't know. Can we see it please? I can tell you article 50 would have already been triggered by now if Nigel Farage was Prime Minister and we would most certainly be leaving the single market too. " That's the point, we tend not to elect Prime Ministers with such extreme views.....thank god. | |||
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"Found it! https://thebrexitplan.com/" Very good lol  | |||
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"From the news the day after the election 'Stressing that some market and economic volatility was to be expected in the aftermath of the Brexit vote, Carney added: “But we are well prepared for this. The Treasury and the Bank of England have engaged in extensive contingency planning and the chancellor and I have been in close contact, including through the night and this morning.” So the Bank of England AND the Treasury did some planning to stabilise the markets and currency. As you know that is a limited brief and not the same as having a brexit plan worked out in detail. And once again, by focusing on Cameron you are trying to absolve the Leave campaign of their responsibility and competence. They had fucking years to try and come up with an exit strategy. It was UKIP's entire reason for existence ffs! So why didn't they? " Ukip were never going to be in power so they REALLY did not need a plan NO Tory or Labour government would have even asked for Ukip,s plan even if they had one so your argument does not stand up. Where is your proof that ANY government has asked for Ukip,s plan? | |||
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"UKIP did have a plan.....it was written by Enid Blyton" Even that would be better than David Cameron,s. | |||
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"From the news the day after the election 'Stressing that some market and economic volatility was to be expected in the aftermath of the Brexit vote, Carney added: “But we are well prepared for this. The Treasury and the Bank of England have engaged in extensive contingency planning and the chancellor and I have been in close contact, including through the night and this morning.” So the Bank of England AND the Treasury did some planning to stabilise the markets and currency. As you know that is a limited brief and not the same as having a brexit plan worked out in detail. And once again, by focusing on Cameron you are trying to absolve the Leave campaign of their responsibility and competence. They had fucking years to try and come up with an exit strategy. It was UKIP's entire reason for existence ffs! So why didn't they? Ukip were never going to be in power so they REALLY did not need a plan NO Tory or Labour government would have even asked for Ukip,s plan even if they had one so your argument does not stand up. Where is your proof that ANY government has asked for Ukip,s plan?" Just think about what you have said there. If UKIP really wanted to be taken serious by anyone other the anti intellectuals, they would have had a plan, they would have broadcast that plan and they would have encouraged a healthy debate. As it happens UKIP were/are all about the anti intellectual vote and therefore exist purely for populist policies. That means making a lot of noise about perceived problems but staying a bit quiet about the solutions to those problems. As was very eloquently stated by s former Fab poster... UKIP represent simple politics for simple people who want simple statements (or something like that). | |||
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"From the news the day after the election 'Stressing that some market and economic volatility was to be expected in the aftermath of the Brexit vote, Carney added: “But we are well prepared for this. The Treasury and the Bank of England have engaged in extensive contingency planning and the chancellor and I have been in close contact, including through the night and this morning.” So the Bank of England AND the Treasury did some planning to stabilise the markets and currency. As you know that is a limited brief and not the same as having a brexit plan worked out in detail. And once again, by focusing on Cameron you are trying to absolve the Leave campaign of their responsibility and competence. They had fucking years to try and come up with an exit strategy. It was UKIP's entire reason for existence ffs! So why didn't they? Ukip were never going to be in power so they REALLY did not need a plan NO Tory or Labour government would have even asked for Ukip,s plan even if they had one so your argument does not stand up. Where is your proof that ANY government has asked for Ukip,s plan? Just think about what you have said there. If UKIP really wanted to be taken serious by anyone other the anti intellectuals, they would have had a plan, they would have broadcast that plan and they would have encouraged a healthy debate. As it happens UKIP were/are all about the anti intellectual vote and therefore exist purely for populist policies. That means making a lot of noise about perceived problems but staying a bit quiet about the solutions to those problems. As was very eloquently stated by s former Fab poster... UKIP represent simple politics for simple people who want simple statements (or something like that)." Still managed to pressure Camoron into a EU referendum though and then be on the winning side of the referendum. If Ukip are simpletons as you imply then just how dumb must the tories an Labour and the Lib dems be to get turned over by Ukip.
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"From the news the day after the election 'Stressing that some market and economic volatility was to be expected in the aftermath of the Brexit vote, Carney added: “But we are well prepared for this. The Treasury and the Bank of England have engaged in extensive contingency planning and the chancellor and I have been in close contact, including through the night and this morning.” So the Bank of England AND the Treasury did some planning to stabilise the markets and currency. As you know that is a limited brief and not the same as having a brexit plan worked out in detail. And once again, by focusing on Cameron you are trying to absolve the Leave campaign of their responsibility and competence. They had fucking years to try and come up with an exit strategy. It was UKIP's entire reason for existence ffs! So why didn't they? Ukip were never going to be in power so they REALLY did not need a plan NO Tory or Labour government would have even asked for Ukip,s plan even if they had one so your argument does not stand up. Where is your proof that ANY government has asked for Ukip,s plan? Just think about what you have said there. If UKIP really wanted to be taken serious by anyone other the anti intellectuals, they would have had a plan, they would have broadcast that plan and they would have encouraged a healthy debate. As it happens UKIP were/are all about the anti intellectual vote and therefore exist purely for populist policies. That means making a lot of noise about perceived problems but staying a bit quiet about the solutions to those problems. As was very eloquently stated by s former Fab poster... UKIP represent simple politics for simple people who want simple statements (or something like that)." I don't need to think about what I said Ukip supported the LEAVE campaign and WON all this debate about the referendum is pointless. As far as I,m concerned the only simpleton was David Cameron. | |||
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"We are not out yet. The terms haven't been worked out. Parliament will get a vote. Hilary benn elected with 330 votes, exactly the same number of pro remain mp's in the house. Interesting. Plenty of time for ukip and leave to be shown up for the lack of substance they have. Plenty of time for public opinion to shift allowing parliament to decide they should represent these shifting opinions. The referendum was merely advisory you know. " You really are clutching at straws now, nothing more than wishful thinking on your part. Since Theresa May said Brexit means Brexit and we are leaving the EU she has seen herself get a 17 point lead in the polls over Labour. The Lib dems are completely irrelevant now and not even worth mentioning. If needs be Theresa May will call an early general election and she will get an even bigger majority than she has now to deliver Brexit. | |||
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"Well you seem to be suggesting, despite all the evidence of the leave campaign, that politicians do not lie or change their minds. It's a good job you are not a robot on Star Trek ( though I'm not 100% sure of that given your lack of empathy and compassion for those less fortunate) because this next fact is gonna blow your mind up. Theresa May ruled out calling an early general election. In any case she and you appear to have forgotten the fixed term parliament act. " no, that would be Labour. Haven't they called for an election? Didn't they say at conference get ready to govern next year? (Laughs) | |||
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"We are not out yet. The terms haven't been worked out. Parliament will get a vote. Hilary benn elected with 330 votes, exactly the same number of pro remain mp's in the house. Interesting. Plenty of time for ukip and leave to be shown up for the lack of substance they have. Plenty of time for public opinion to shift allowing parliament to decide they should represent these shifting opinions. The referendum was merely advisory you know. " You better tell Teresa May then as she thinks different to you. | |||
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"I imagine May is counting on getting quite a few UKIP voters too "As a Ukip voter I'd be more than happy to tactically vote Tory to give Theresa May a better majority in Parliament. I'm sure many other Ukip voters (all 4 million of us) feel the same now the referendum is won. I'm liking what I'm hearing and seeing from Theresa May since she became Prime Minister | |||
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"You don't think public opinion could shift if economic circumstances worsen? You don't think public opinion could shift when the Brexit plan is revealed and does not give people what they were promised? " As I mentioned on another thread, everyone will have their WTF point on the line of economic pain. If as is widely suggested the economy does go into an economic shock resulting in a slowing/stopping of inward investment, inflation and job losses then slowly but surely Leave voters will start to question their choices. No one charges headlong into an ever worsening situation. That said, the Leave camp and in particular David davis have stated categorically that there will be no negative consequences and so if he is right then we continue on to Brexitland. | |||
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"You don't think public opinion could shift if economic circumstances worsen? You don't think public opinion could shift when the Brexit plan is revealed and does not give people what they were promised? As I mentioned on another thread, everyone will have their WTF point on the line of economic pain. If as is widely suggested the economy does go into an economic shock resulting in a slowing/stopping of inward investment, inflation and job losses then slowly but surely Leave voters will start to question their choices. No one charges headlong into an ever worsening situation. That said, the Leave camp and in particular David davis have stated categorically that there will be no negative consequences and so if he is right then we continue on to Brexitland." Inflation is up but the office for national statistics (ONS) said yesterday it has nothing to do with Brexit. Government figures also show unemployment is down, and business confidence remains good. A survey was released earlier in the week which showed consumer confidence was at the near high point of the last 5 years. So far everything is looking pretty good. | |||
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"I imagine May is counting on getting quite a few UKIP voters too
As a Ukip voter I'd be more than happy to tactically vote Tory to give Theresa May a better majority in Parliament. I'm sure many other Ukip voters (all 4 million of us) feel the same now the referendum is won. I'm liking what I'm hearing and seeing from Theresa May since she became Prime Minister "Kevin Maguire editor of the Daily Mirror made this point on sky news press preview a few nights ago. If the UKip and Tory vote now consolidate together it will lead to a bigger majority for the Tories and losses for Labour. It is Corbyn's worst nightmare and Corbyn is going to find it very difficult. | |||
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