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"It's not a referendum to leave or stay in the EU. It is to approve (or not) a new constitution which will give the Italian government considerable executive power. Many commentators think that a no vote could finally be the tipping point for the, already in crisis, Italian banking system. An Italian banking collapse would cause a domino effect into the German and French (among others) and at least one Nobel prize winning economist (for those of you who like experts) has predicted that it would be the end of the Euro." an opening for MS5  | |||
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"It's not a referendum to leave or stay in the EU. It is to approve (or not) a new constitution which will give the Italian government considerable executive power. Many commentators think that a no vote could finally be the tipping point for the, already in crisis, Italian banking system. An Italian banking collapse would cause a domino effect into the German and French (among others) and at least one Nobel prize winning economist (for those of you who like experts) has predicted that it would be the end of the Euro." I think that the vote will go against Renzi and then the writing will be on the wall for the EU and the Euro it will be all over. | |||
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"The EU is in dire need of serious (not the Tony Blair or David Cameron model) reform and restructure, hopefully this action by the Italians may make Brussels sit up and recognise this. There is absolutely no reason why the freedom of movement idea can't be modernised to include the need for Visas to carry out paid employment in another EU country. Regarding the Euro, it was always going to fail at some point. " If the EU had agreed to reform the freedom of movement and a few other minor details we would not have needed the referendum and would not be leaving the EU. Its their stubbornness not to reform that has caused all the problems. If the euro fails what do think will happen then? Will the EU fall apart? | |||
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"I don't really see the link between the referendum and fucking the EU. Does anyone want to explain it? " It's not enough for us to leave for some, they will gain enormous enjoyment from punishing the EU as they truly believe we are the most important part in the EU club.....and truth is we are just a medium sized cog in a large machine. | |||
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"I don't really see the link between the referendum and fucking the EU. Does anyone want to explain it? It's not enough for us to leave for some, they will gain enormous enjoyment from punishing the EU as they truly believe we are the most important part in the EU club.....and truth is we are just a medium sized cog in a large machine. " Yes but any machine with a missing cog is going to fail eventually. | |||
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"No, the fall of the Euro experiment won't mean the end of the EU, we personally voted to stay in with the hope that should the vote have gone against us that the EU would offer reforms that would been more palatable to the British electorate. " So if the euro failed would all the countries be allowed to go back to original currency? Or would be in no-mans land without a currency? | |||
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"I don't really see the link between the referendum and fucking the EU. Does anyone want to explain it? It's not enough for us to leave for some, they will gain enormous enjoyment from punishing the EU as they truly believe we are the most important part in the EU club.....and truth is we are just a medium sized cog in a large machine. " I understand that Brexiters want other countries to leave, because stupid loves company, but I don't see how the Italian referendum about their equal bicameral system impacts on the EU. | |||
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" Regarding the Euro, it was always going to fail at some point. " . No if there'd done it properly with one monetary policy, one fiscal policy and one tax policy the euro would have been a giant success. You probably would have created less problems for the EU countries as well. That's the trouble with politics and politicans they pander to the people to much. What we'd be better off with is a benign dictatorship | |||
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"No, the fall of the Euro experiment won't mean the end of the EU, we personally voted to stay in with the hope that should the vote have gone against us that the EU would offer reforms that would been more palatable to the British electorate. So if the euro failed would all the countries be allowed to go back to original currency? Or would be in no-mans land without a currency?" Considering how long it took to swap over to the euro, I'd imagine if it failed it would cause a calamity not seen since the great depression. | |||
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"I don't really see the link between the referendum and fucking the EU. Does anyone want to explain it? It's not enough for us to leave for some, they will gain enormous enjoyment from punishing the EU as they truly believe we are the most important part in the EU club.....and truth is we are just a medium sized cog in a large machine. Yes but any machine with a missing cog is going to fail eventually." The UK Leaving will hurt the EU considerably, but we shouldn't over emphasis our importance to the EU, our exit won't on its own destroy the EU. | |||
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"I don't really see the link between the referendum and fucking the EU. Does anyone want to explain it? It's not enough for us to leave for some, they will gain enormous enjoyment from punishing the EU as they truly believe we are the most important part in the EU club.....and truth is we are just a medium sized cog in a large machine. Yes but any machine with a missing cog is going to fail eventually. The UK Leaving will hurt the EU considerably, but we shouldn't over emphasis our importance to the EU, our exit won't on its own destroy the EU." The Five Star Movement will take care of Italy and another will bite the dust | |||
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"Vote leave! Let's fuck the EU good!" What are you talking about? The referendum has got nothing to do with leaving the EU. As an aside, why would you vote to "fuck" 27 countries many of who buy the stuff that is produced in the UK? | |||
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"I don't really see the link between the referendum and fucking the EU. Does anyone want to explain it? It's not enough for us to leave for some, they will gain enormous enjoyment from punishing the EU as they truly believe we are the most important part in the EU club.....and truth is we are just a medium sized cog in a large machine. Yes but any machine with a missing cog is going to fail eventually. The UK Leaving will hurt the EU considerably, but we shouldn't over emphasis our importance to the EU, our exit won't on its own destroy the EU. The Five Star Movement will take care of Italy and another will bite the dust" Grillo would tip Italy off the edge into the abyss, his economic ideologies just don't add up, he means well but his utopian ideals would cripple Italy. | |||
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"Vote leave! Let's fuck the EU good! What are you talking about? The referendum has got nothing to do with leaving the EU. As an aside, why would you vote to "fuck" 27 countries many of who buy the stuff that is produced in the UK? " I thought someone said we don't export enough to the EU to make any difference to them and that ONLY the UK would suffer. | |||
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"The EU is in dire need of serious (not the Tony Blair or David Cameron model) reform and restructure, hopefully this action by the Italians may make Brussels sit up and recognise this. There is absolutely no reason why the freedom of movement idea can't be modernised to include the need for Visas to carry out paid employment in another EU country. Regarding the Euro, it was always going to fail at some point. " If Brexit didn't make the Europhile morons in Brussels sit up and take notice what makes you think the Italian situation will be any different? UK has voted leave yet Juncker, Tusk and all the other Eurocrats in Brussels say more Europe is the answer, not less, no reform, just more integration and now they want an EU army. They are so out of touch it frankly defies belief how they can be so blinkered. | |||
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"At the end of the day the EU only remains at the behest of the member nations, reform isn't decided by the likes of Tusk, it's decided at Head of Government level, Tusk doesn't have a veto on reform...." And therein is the truth. The EU is not some mythical demagogue. It is a collection of "currently" 28 member states and as such the EU will continuously evolve according to the direction of the member states. | |||
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"I don't really see the link between the referendum and fucking the EU. Does anyone want to explain it? It's not enough for us to leave for some, they will gain enormous enjoyment from punishing the EU as they truly believe we are the most important part in the EU club.....and truth is we are just a medium sized cog in a large machine. Yes but any machine with a missing cog is going to fail eventually. The UK Leaving will hurt the EU considerably, but we shouldn't over emphasis our importance to the EU, our exit won't on its own destroy the EU." Of course not, but as the first domino to fall it will, hopefully, give others the encouragement to do the same. The EU has had its chance at reform and it wont budge an inch (0r 25mm if you like) The arrogance and stubbornness of the Euro elite will eventually be their downfall and the sooner this 20th century relic is confined to the history books the better. Then maybe, just maybe, something better will rise from the ashes. | |||
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"Vote leave! Let's fuck the EU good!" Given a national vote they'd vote to stay in everytime! | |||
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"How long before the Germans want to leave ? Not very long I think "It's very much a German/French driven club so I can't see the Germans bailing out anytime soon. They are also the leading export nation in the EU by far, so a free market suits them perfectly. | |||
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