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"So the hysteria is settled" No it hasn't. Mr ddc | |||
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"So the hysteria is settled No it hasn't. Mr ddc" ^ This | |||
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"Ok So the hysteria is settled What do we think? I'm very happy I wanted to remain When the good people believed £350 million a week was going to nhs And immigration would stop 'Told ya' So My holiday company went bust preventing me from taking my children away And when I travel to Europe the £ vs euro is pretty much like for like Way to go " Just like to point out that the holiday company that went bust relocated to Spain before it did so that it could escape its obligations and wasn't ATOL protected anymore. This all happens ed before Brexit. | |||
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"No mention about possible conflict/war/fight Hadrians wall will likely be your only safer haven and all us northeners will be protecters " D'ya see OP? I told you.  | |||
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"No mention about possible conflict/war/fight People need to look at possible bigger pictures instead of being pissed off because its going to cost more for a holiday lol Hadrians wall will likely be your only safer haven and all us northeners will be protecters " Hadrian's wall isn't the border... | |||
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"No mention about possible conflict/war/fight People need to look at possible bigger pictures instead of being pissed off because its going to cost more for a holiday lol Hadrians wall will likely be your only safer haven and all us northeners will be protecters Hadrian's wall isn't the border..." Who said it was ? | |||
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"Hadrian's wall isn't the border..." You on the wrong side of Newcastle then?
(NB I'm not brave/foolish enough to specify which is the *right* side...) | |||
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"No mention about possible conflict/war/fight People need to look at possible bigger pictures instead of being pissed off because its going to cost more for a holiday lol Hadrians wall will likely be your only safer haven and all us northeners will be protecters Hadrian's wall isn't the border... Who said it was ?" How's it going to help then? | |||
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"I don't think it was the best thing for this country, but then this isn't my country so whatever. I have lost a substantial amount of money because of the drop in the value of the pound relative to the dollar, though. So personally it's been a disaster. "But you dont live in a county like cumbria ? | |||
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"Hadrian's wall isn't the border... You on the wrong side of Newcastle then?
(NB I'm not brave/foolish enough to specify which is the *right* side...)"The posh bit is north of the wall  | |||
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"No mention about possible conflict/war/fight People need to look at possible bigger pictures instead of being pissed off because its going to cost more for a holiday lol Hadrians wall will likely be your only safer haven and all us northeners will be protecters Hadrian's wall isn't the border... Who said it was ? How's it going to help then?" The same way hills mountains and valleys will help  | |||
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"So the hysteria is settled No it hasn't. Mr ddc ^ This" Reminds me of the rather lovely (but unfortunately mythical) quote attributed to Mao when asked in 1968 about the implications of the French Revolution: "It's too early to say". | |||
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"So the hysteria is settled No it hasn't. Mr ddc ^ This Reminds me of the rather lovely (but unfortunately mythical) quote attributed to Mao when asked in 1968 about the implications of the French Revolution: "It's too early to say". "It's about the most sensible thing the said! Shame it's not true!! | |||
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"So the hysteria is settled No it hasn't. Mr ddc ^ This Reminds me of the rather lovely (but unfortunately mythical) quote attributed to Mao when asked in 1968 about the implications of the French Revolution: "It's too early to say". "I love that one - it was Zhou Enlai and he thought they were referring to the Paris uprisings in 1968 | |||
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"So the hysteria is settled No it hasn't. Mr ddc ^ This Reminds me of the rather lovely (but unfortunately mythical) quote attributed to Mao when asked in 1968 about the implications of the French Revolution: "It's too early to say".
I love that one - it was Zhou Enlai and he thought they were referring to the Paris uprisings in 1968 "Yes 1968 was a mere trifle compared to the real French Revolution! | |||
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"One day the cats will rise up and take over in a mass rebellion against their human overlords. Who will be complaining about brexit then? Nit I that's for sure. Hello kitty, nice kitty don't eat my face off.... Ahhhhhhhh " Now we're starting to talk some sense!! | |||
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"Anyone got any facts or can use when I talk about this later today? So far I have: fuck all is changing because step one, in about 2 years time, ish, is to have EU laws passed into UK laws. Then some changes may be possible, but they'll have to be done by whatever government feels is appropriate for winning the following election. Anything else I can add? " Facts, you say? They are things of the past I'm afraid. | |||
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"So the hysteria is settled No it hasn't. Mr ddc ^ This Reminds me of the rather lovely (but unfortunately mythical) quote attributed to Mao when asked in 1968 about the implications of the French Revolution: "It's too early to say".
I love that one - it was Zhou Enlai and he thought they were referring to the Paris uprisings in 1968
Yes 1968 was a mere trifle compared to the real French Revolution! "Mmmm trifle  | |||
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"So the hysteria is settled No it hasn't. Mr ddc ^ This Reminds me of the rather lovely (but unfortunately mythical) quote attributed to Mao when asked in 1968 about the implications of the French Revolution: "It's too early to say".
I love that one - it was Zhou Enlai and he thought they were referring to the Paris uprisings in 1968
Yes 1968 was a mere trifle compared to the real French Revolution!
Mmmm trifle "Strawberry? | |||
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"Anyone got any facts or can use when I talk about this later today? So far I have: fuck all is changing because step one, in about 2 years time, ish, is to have EU laws passed into UK laws. Then some changes may be possible, but they'll have to be done by whatever government feels is appropriate for winning the following election. Anything else I can add? " You're not one of those experts are you? We've had enough of you. | |||
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"I wonder what the vote statistics would be if only the lower class people of the country had a voice ?" I don't particularly give a fuck. No one is entitled to more of a voice than me, just as I'm not entitled to more of a voice than them (even though I should be). | |||
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"I wonder what the vote statistics would be if only the lower class people of the country had a voice ? I don't particularly give a fuck. No one is entitled to more of a voice than me, just as I'm not entitled to more of a voice than them (even though I should be)." Would you like a 2nd refferendom ? | |||
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"I wonder what the vote statistics would be if only the lower class people of the country had a voice ? I don't particularly give a fuck. No one is entitled to more of a voice than me, just as I'm not entitled to more of a voice than them (even though I should be). Would you like a 2nd refferendom ?" No. There never should have been one in the first place but there was, the wrong decision was made, and now we have to get on with not trying to not fuck everything up because some people felt disenfranchised and voted to make themselves even more so. | |||
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"What a load of tosh  "Another thought provoking bit of input from your good self | |||
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"Ok So the hysteria is settled What do we think? I'm very happy I wanted to remain When the good people believed £350 million a week was going to nhs And immigration would stop 'Told ya' So My holiday company went bust preventing me from taking my children away And when I travel to Europe the £ vs euro is pretty much like for like Way to go " Nobody ever said that the money was going to the NHS They said that money could be invested in other areas ---- like the "NHS" Oh and I don't like marmite anyway | |||
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"I wonder what the vote statistics would be if only the lower class people of the country had a voice ? I don't particularly give a fuck. No one is entitled to more of a voice than me, just as I'm not entitled to more of a voice than them (even though I should be). Would you like a 2nd refferendom ? No. There never should have been one in the first place but there was, the wrong decision was made, and now we have to get on with not trying to not fuck everything up because some people felt disenfranchised and voted to make themselves even more so." The people of west cumbria would like to not have to travel 50 miles to the nearest hospital and if voting out means they dont have to then so be it Money money money is all most seem to be interested in these days Oh and holidays and marmite | |||
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"Of course there should have been a referendum! What a bizarre thing to argue against! How can you deny the people a vote? Letting the people decide was a very fair thing to do. For too long, the public have complained that politicians were out of touch with real people and took us into wars that we didn't want. This time, at long last the people got to choose. Just because you don't like the outcome, you cannot deny the people a say." And this is why we shouldn't have had a referendum. It was a referendum on "should Britain remain in the EU" not "are politicians out of touch, am I pissed off I can't get a council house, did I disagree with the Iraq War, am I afraid of the fact there's now a Polish aisle in the supermarket". Nothing you mentioned in your post is any of what you were supposed to be voting on. | |||
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"I wonder what the vote statistics would be if only the lower class people of the country had a voice ? I don't particularly give a fuck. No one is entitled to more of a voice than me, just as I'm not entitled to more of a voice than them (even though I should be). Would you like a 2nd refferendom ? No. There never should have been one in the first place but there was, the wrong decision was made, and now we have to get on with not trying to not fuck everything up because some people felt disenfranchised and voted to make themselves even more so. The people of west cumbria would like to not have to travel 50 miles to the nearest hospital and if voting out means they dont have to then so be it Money money money is all most seem to be interested in these days Oh and holidays and marmite "So a decision that's being taken with regard to the NHS, by British politicians, which the EU has no power over whatsoever, is the reason you voted to give more power to those same British politicians so they can take more decisions like that? Aye. | |||
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"I wonder what the vote statistics would be if only the lower class people of the country had a voice ? I don't particularly give a fuck. No one is entitled to more of a voice than me, just as I'm not entitled to more of a voice than them (even though I should be)." No need to be somewhat volotile i only asked a simple question | |||
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"I wonder what the vote statistics would be if only the lower class people of the country had a voice ? I don't particularly give a fuck. No one is entitled to more of a voice than me, just as I'm not entitled to more of a voice than them (even though I should be). Would you like a 2nd refferendom ? No. There never should have been one in the first place but there was, the wrong decision was made, and now we have to get on with not trying to not fuck everything up because some people felt disenfranchised and voted to make themselves even more so. The people of west cumbria would like to not have to travel 50 miles to the nearest hospital and if voting out means they dont have to then so be it Money money money is all most seem to be interested in these days Oh and holidays and marmite
So a decision that's being taken with regard to the NHS, by British politicians, which the EU has no power over whatsoever, is the reason you voted to give more power to those same British politicians so they can take more decisions like that? Aye. "How does the eu have no power ? | |||
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"I wonder what the vote statistics would be if only the lower class people of the country had a voice ? I don't particularly give a fuck. No one is entitled to more of a voice than me, just as I'm not entitled to more of a voice than them (even though I should be). Would you like a 2nd refferendom ? No. There never should have been one in the first place but there was, the wrong decision was made, and now we have to get on with not trying to not fuck everything up because some people felt disenfranchised and voted to make themselves even more so. The people of west cumbria would like to not have to travel 50 miles to the nearest hospital and if voting out means they dont have to then so be it Money money money is all most seem to be interested in these days Oh and holidays and marmite
So a decision that's being taken with regard to the NHS, by British politicians, which the EU has no power over whatsoever, is the reason you voted to give more power to those same British politicians so they can take more decisions like that? Aye.
How does the eu have no power ? "Do they not tell our government what we can and cant spend money on ? | |||
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"according to one site the pound is now at its lowest for 168 years oh joy what a lovely outcomew" But i can still buy a bag of oats for less than that pound
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"I wonder what the vote statistics would be if only the lower class people of the country had a voice ? I don't particularly give a fuck. No one is entitled to more of a voice than me, just as I'm not entitled to more of a voice than them (even though I should be). Would you like a 2nd refferendom ? No. There never should have been one in the first place but there was, the wrong decision was made, and now we have to get on with not trying to not fuck everything up because some people felt disenfranchised and voted to make themselves even more so. The people of west cumbria would like to not have to travel 50 miles to the nearest hospital and if voting out means they dont have to then so be it Money money money is all most seem to be interested in these days Oh and holidays and marmite
So a decision that's being taken with regard to the NHS, by British politicians, which the EU has no power over whatsoever, is the reason you voted to give more power to those same British politicians so they can take more decisions like that? Aye.
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"I'm still happy with how I voted and think it was absolutely the right way to vote. I still think a massively poor decision has been made, but that's democracy for you - fuckwits get a vote too. That said, I'm not in favour of trying to block it, trying to call for a second referendum etc - I'd like attentions to be focused on trying to make it not the absolute fucking farce it looks like it could end up being. Oh, and accepting that absolutely nothing will get done by this government for the next 4 years as all attentions are on brexit. " pretty much this and also that those who will be hit the most will be some of the most vulnerable in society.. we wont fully start to see the reality of how good or bad an idea it was, and how much it will cost etc for a long time.. | |||
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"The people of west cumbria would like to not have to travel 50 miles to the nearest hospital and if voting out means they dont have to then so be it" That's a totally different discussion: "Would you rather have a multitude of smaller, local hospitals with poorer outcomes due to inexperienced 'Jack-of-all-trade' doctors or fewer centres of excellence?" is a question we should be having regardless of how much money we chose to spend in total. | |||
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"The people of west cumbria would like to not have to travel 50 miles to the nearest hospital and if voting out means they dont have to then so be it That's a totally different discussion: "Would you rather have a multitude of smaller, local hospitals with poorer outcomes due to inexperienced 'Jack-of-all-trade' doctors or fewer centres of excellence?" is a question we should be having regardless of how much money we chose to spend in total. " We wont know unless we try | |||
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"The people of west cumbria would like to not have to travel 50 miles to the nearest hospital and if voting out means they dont have to then so be it That's a totally different discussion: "Would you rather have a multitude of smaller, local hospitals with poorer outcomes due to inexperienced 'Jack-of-all-trade' doctors or fewer centres of excellence?" is a question we should be having regardless of how much money we chose to spend in total. " Id rather not have to drive my future pregnant partner half way across the north of england to give birth | |||
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"The people of west cumbria would like to not have to travel 50 miles to the nearest hospital and if voting out means they dont have to then so be it That's a totally different discussion: "Would you rather have a multitude of smaller, local hospitals with poorer outcomes due to inexperienced 'Jack-of-all-trade' doctors or fewer centres of excellence?" is a question we should be having regardless of how much money we chose to spend in total. Id rather not have to drive my future pregnant partner half way across the north of england to give birth " But what does that have to do with the EU? | |||
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"The people of west cumbria would like to not have to travel 50 miles to the nearest hospital and if voting out means they dont have to then so be it That's a totally different discussion: "Would you rather have a multitude of smaller, local hospitals with poorer outcomes due to inexperienced 'Jack-of-all-trade' doctors or fewer centres of excellence?" is a question we should be having regardless of how much money we chose to spend in total. Id rather not have to drive my future pregnant partner half way across the north of england to give birth But what does that have to do with the EU?" Eveeything | |||
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"The people of west cumbria would like to not have to travel 50 miles to the nearest hospital and if voting out means they dont have to then so be it That's a totally different discussion: "Would you rather have a multitude of smaller, local hospitals with poorer outcomes due to inexperienced 'Jack-of-all-trade' doctors or fewer centres of excellence?" is a question we should be having regardless of how much money we chose to spend in total. Id rather not have to drive my future pregnant partner half way across the north of england to give birth But what does that have to do with the EU? Eveeything " But how? Could you be more specific? | |||
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"The people of west cumbria would like to not have to travel 50 miles to the nearest hospital and if voting out means they dont have to then so be it That's a totally different discussion: "Would you rather have a multitude of smaller, local hospitals with poorer outcomes due to inexperienced 'Jack-of-all-trade' doctors or fewer centres of excellence?" is a question we should be having regardless of how much money we chose to spend in total. Id rather not have to drive my future pregnant partner half way across the north of england to give birth But what does that have to do with the EU? Eveeything But how? Could you be more specific?" The people have spoken and chose to leave ruby and thats that, they chose to leave thinking about this country and there friends and family in it, not how much there getting for there quid | |||
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"The people of west cumbria would like to not have to travel 50 miles to the nearest hospital and if voting out means they dont have to then so be it That's a totally different discussion: "Would you rather have a multitude of smaller, local hospitals with poorer outcomes due to inexperienced 'Jack-of-all-trade' doctors or fewer centres of excellence?" is a question we should be having regardless of how much money we chose to spend in total. Id rather not have to drive my future pregnant partner half way across the north of england to give birth " That's the same argument we're having near us. Should the local maternity ward be saved. On the one hand, for the vast majority of births, the local option is easiest for the users, albeit more expensive. But when things go wrong, there are no experienced consultants and the delay caused by the transfer to the main hospital means final outcomes are far worse. It's those times when I'm glad I'm not a politician | |||
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"The people of west cumbria would like to not have to travel 50 miles to the nearest hospital and if voting out means they dont have to then so be it That's a totally different discussion: "Would you rather have a multitude of smaller, local hospitals with poorer outcomes due to inexperienced 'Jack-of-all-trade' doctors or fewer centres of excellence?" is a question we should be having regardless of how much money we chose to spend in total. We wont know unless we try "the potential problem with this is that it could all go pear shaped and the journey to the maternity unit may be longer due to a lack of funding for road's etc or further as its been moved.. the NHS has been in the state its in albeit to a lesser degree for many years, certainly before our Dave handed Nigel a trump card with the referendum.. | |||
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"The people of west cumbria would like to not have to travel 50 miles to the nearest hospital and if voting out means they dont have to then so be it That's a totally different discussion: "Would you rather have a multitude of smaller, local hospitals with poorer outcomes due to inexperienced 'Jack-of-all-trade' doctors or fewer centres of excellence?" is a question we should be having regardless of how much money we chose to spend in total. Id rather not have to drive my future pregnant partner half way across the north of england to give birth But what does that have to do with the EU? Eveeything But how? Could you be more specific? The people have spoken and chose to leave ruby and thats that, they chose to leave thinking about this country and there friends and family in it, not how much there getting for there quid " But that doesn't explain what the EU has to do with it. Could you explain how the EU has had any influence on the decision to restructure maternity services in West Cumbria? | |||
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"The people of west cumbria would like to not have to travel 50 miles to the nearest hospital and if voting out means they dont have to then so be it That's a totally different discussion: "Would you rather have a multitude of smaller, local hospitals with poorer outcomes due to inexperienced 'Jack-of-all-trade' doctors or fewer centres of excellence?" is a question we should be having regardless of how much money we chose to spend in total. Id rather not have to drive my future pregnant partner half way across the north of england to give birth But what does that have to do with the EU? Eveeything But how? Could you be more specific? The people have spoken and chose to leave ruby and thats that, they chose to leave thinking about this country and there friends and family in it, not how much there getting for there quid But that doesn't explain what the EU has to do with it. Could you explain how the EU has had any influence on the decision to restructure maternity services in West Cumbria? " I already have | |||
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"The people of west cumbria would like to not have to travel 50 miles to the nearest hospital and if voting out means they dont have to then so be it That's a totally different discussion: "Would you rather have a multitude of smaller, local hospitals with poorer outcomes due to inexperienced 'Jack-of-all-trade' doctors or fewer centres of excellence?" is a question we should be having regardless of how much money we chose to spend in total. Id rather not have to drive my future pregnant partner half way across the north of england to give birth But what does that have to do with the EU? Eveeything But how? Could you be more specific? The people have spoken and chose to leave ruby and thats that, they chose to leave thinking about this country and there friends and family in it, not how much there getting for there quid But that doesn't explain what the EU has to do with it. Could you explain how the EU has had any influence on the decision to restructure maternity services in West Cumbria? I already have " You haven't. What you have done is show that you didn't actually understand what you were voting for, because you didn't understand the role of the U.K. Parliament vs the EU in areas which affect you the NHS. Which takes me back to my original point, which is that there never should have been a referendum in the first place. | |||
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"The people of west cumbria would like to not have to travel 50 miles to the nearest hospital and if voting out means they dont have to then so be it That's a totally different discussion: "Would you rather have a multitude of smaller, local hospitals with poorer outcomes due to inexperienced 'Jack-of-all-trade' doctors or fewer centres of excellence?" is a question we should be having regardless of how much money we chose to spend in total. Id rather not have to drive my future pregnant partner half way across the north of england to give birth But what does that have to do with the EU? Eveeything But how? Could you be more specific? The people have spoken and chose to leave ruby and thats that, they chose to leave thinking about this country and there friends and family in it, not how much there getting for there quid But that doesn't explain what the EU has to do with it. Could you explain how the EU has had any influence on the decision to restructure maternity services in West Cumbria? I already have You haven't. What you have done is show that you didn't actually understand what you were voting for, because you didn't understand the role of the U.K. Parliament vs the EU in areas which affect you the NHS. Which takes me back to my original point, which is that there never should have been a referendum in the first place. " That money being spend overseas and the money that our country gets told they can and spend could save my local hospital ruby and voting to leave wether it causes a revolution or not was the best decision | |||
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"The people of west cumbria would like to not have to travel 50 miles to the nearest hospital and if voting out means they dont have to then so be it That's a totally different discussion: "Would you rather have a multitude of smaller, local hospitals with poorer outcomes due to inexperienced 'Jack-of-all-trade' doctors or fewer centres of excellence?" is a question we should be having regardless of how much money we chose to spend in total. Id rather not have to drive my future pregnant partner half way across the north of england to give birth But what does that have to do with the EU? Eveeything But how? Could you be more specific? The people have spoken and chose to leave ruby and thats that, they chose to leave thinking about this country and there friends and family in it, not how much there getting for there quid But that doesn't explain what the EU has to do with it. Could you explain how the EU has had any influence on the decision to restructure maternity services in West Cumbria? I already have You haven't. What you have done is show that you didn't actually understand what you were voting for, because you didn't understand the role of the U.K. Parliament vs the EU in areas which affect you the NHS. Which takes me back to my original point, which is that there never should have been a referendum in the first place. That money being spend overseas and the money that our country gets told they can and spend could save my local hospital ruby and voting to leave wether it causes a revolution or not was the best decision" Oh ok. But you just said further up it wasn't about money. And our country doesn't get told by the EU what it can spend. If the government wants to put more money into the NHS it can do so, just as it has always been able to do. | |||
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"No mention about possible conflict/war/fight People need to look at possible bigger pictures instead of being pissed off because its going to cost more for a holiday lol Hadrians wall will likely be your only safer haven and all us northeners will be protecters Hadrian's wall isn't the border..." IndyRef2 is on its way... | |||
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"I wonder what the vote statistics would be if only the lower class people of the country had a voice ?" Overwhelming LEAVE. They are the ones who feel so disenfranchised and still have a sense of entitlement that they are BRITISH and foreigners should not have as much as or more than they have in what after all "is not their country." The working class would never fully take advantage of the freedoms of the EU and as second language ability is generally poor, even if a recession came to the UK - few would feel inclined to travel to Europe to look for opportunity. | |||
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"I am a happy remainer and I don't support nazi politics like the brexitors do, such as registering all the immigrants, like they did with the jews in ww2, which didn't go through and make the disabled to replace the immigrant workers." I voted remain, but comparing brexiters to Nazis is exactly the sort of inflammatory language that cause more people to vote leave! | |||
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"I am a happy remainer and I don't support nazi politics like the brexitors do, such as registering all the immigrants, like they did with the jews in ww2, which didn't go through and make the disabled to replace the immigrant workers." Shag they are Tory politics not Brexiters and they have done a U-turn on those policies. | |||
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"No mention about possible conflict/war/fight People need to look at possible bigger pictures instead of being pissed off because its going to cost more for a holiday lol Hadrians wall will likely be your only safer haven and all us northeners will be protecters Hadrian's wall isn't the border... IndyRef2 is on its way..." I,ll be very surprized if it is at this stage. | |||
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"I am a happy remainer and I don't support nazi politics like the brexitors do, such as registering all the immigrants, like they did with the jews in ww2, which didn't go through and make the disabled to replace the immigrant workers." but you like the Swedish democrats don't you?? | |||
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"I am a happy remainer and I don't support nazi politics like the brexitors do, such as registering all the immigrants, like they did with the jews in ww2, which didn't go through and make the disabled to replace the immigrant workers. but you like the Swedish democrats don't you??" Yes, but with good reason as the feminist party is destroying sweden slowly. | |||
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"I am a happy remainer and I don't support nazi politics like the brexitors do, such as registering all the immigrants, like they did with the jews in ww2, which didn't go through and make the disabled to replace the immigrant workers. Shag they are Tory politics not Brexiters and they have done a U-turn on those policies. "That is good they have, but to have it as a thought is dangerous in a party. | |||
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"Ok So the hysteria is settled What do we think? I'm very happy I wanted to remain When the good people believed £350 million a week was going to nhs And immigration would stop 'Told ya' So My holiday company went bust preventing me from taking my children away And when I travel to Europe the £ vs euro is pretty much like for like Way to go Nobody ever said that the money was going to the NHS They said that money could be invested in other areas ---- like the "NHS" Oh and I don't like marmite anyway "I could have sworn I saw a coach with the Brexit team in The coach had painting on it It said £350 million for nhs | |||
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"It was a pants decision. A pants referendum, with Ill informed voters.. Too much suggestion rather than fact being banded around. Personally I think it was too big a decision to throw open to a public unaware of the implications... But it's done... And so is sterling for the time being. Onward and upward now. Time to try and be positive
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"I am a happy remainer and I don't support nazi politics like the brexitors do, such as registering all the immigrants, like they did with the jews in ww2, which didn't go through and make the disabled to replace the immigrant workers. Shag they are Tory politics not Brexiters and they have done a U-turn on those policies. That is good they have, but to have it as a thought is dangerous in a party."Yes you are right but we don't all think the same way also if too many people get involved with our exit from the EU we will never agree on anything but I think there should be someone from each party involved to give a bit of balance to decisions made. | |||
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"It was a pants decision. A pants referendum, with Ill informed voters.. Too much suggestion rather than fact being banded around. Personally I think it was too big a decision to throw open to a public unaware of the implications... But it's done... And so is sterling for the time being. Onward and upward now. Time to try and be positive
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"I wonder what the vote statistics would be if only the lower class people of the country had a voice ? I don't particularly give a fuck. No one is entitled to more of a voice than me, just as I'm not entitled to more of a voice than them (even though I should be). Would you like a 2nd refferendom ?" We've just had a second referendum on BREXIT. Do you mean a third one. Either way my answer is NO. Referendum never solve anything, create massive decision and the actual result is difficult to interpretate. For example we have a vote to leave the EU but does that also mean we leave the single market and customs union (Norway is not in the EU but is in the single market, Turkey is not in the EU but is in the customs union) | |||
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"I wonder what the vote statistics would be if only the lower class people of the country had a voice ? I don't particularly give a fuck. No one is entitled to more of a voice than me, just as I'm not entitled to more of a voice than them (even though I should be). Would you like a 2nd refferendom ? No. There never should have been one in the first place but there was, the wrong decision was made, and now we have to get on with not trying to not fuck everything up because some people felt disenfranchised and voted to make themselves even more so. The people of west cumbria would like to not have to travel 50 miles to the nearest hospital and if voting out means they dont have to then so be it Money money money is all most seem to be interested in these days Oh and holidays and marmite
So a decision that's being taken with regard to the NHS, by British politicians, which the EU has no power over whatsoever, is the reason you voted to give more power to those same British politicians so they can take more decisions like that? Aye.
How does the eu have no power ?
Do they not tell our government what we can and cant spend money on ?
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"The people of west cumbria would like to not have to travel 50 miles to the nearest hospital and if voting out means they dont have to then so be it That's a totally different discussion: "Would you rather have a multitude of smaller, local hospitals with poorer outcomes due to inexperienced 'Jack-of-all-trade' doctors or fewer centres of excellence?" is a question we should be having regardless of how much money we chose to spend in total. We wont know unless we try "But, either way, in or out of the EU will make no difference. Except that if one way makes the country poorer and the other richer there will be more or less money to spend on the NHS. It's early days still but, with the GBP (pound) being at it's lowest level in over 160 years, it doesn't look like BREXIT is making us richer or better of so far. | |||
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"The people of west cumbria would like to not have to travel 50 miles to the nearest hospital and if voting out means they dont have to then so be it That's a totally different discussion: "Would you rather have a multitude of smaller, local hospitals with poorer outcomes due to inexperienced 'Jack-of-all-trade' doctors or fewer centres of excellence?" is a question we should be having regardless of how much money we chose to spend in total. Id rather not have to drive my future pregnant partner half way across the north of england to give birth But what does that have to do with the EU? Eveeything But how? Could you be more specific? The people have spoken and chose to leave ruby and thats that, they chose to leave thinking about this country and there friends and family in it, not how much there getting for there quid But that doesn't explain what the EU has to do with it. Could you explain how the EU has had any influence on the decision to restructure maternity services in West Cumbria? I already have " I must have missed it then because the EU has no say in how the NHS is run or funded. I simply don't understand your point. | |||
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"The people of west cumbria would like to not have to travel 50 miles to the nearest hospital and if voting out means they dont have to then so be it That's a totally different discussion: "Would you rather have a multitude of smaller, local hospitals with poorer outcomes due to inexperienced 'Jack-of-all-trade' doctors or fewer centres of excellence?" is a question we should be having regardless of how much money we chose to spend in total. We wont know unless we try
But, either way, in or out of the EU will make no difference. Except that if one way makes the country poorer and the other richer there will be more or less money to spend on the NHS.
It's early days still but, with the GBP (pound) being at it's lowest level in over 160 years, it doesn't look like BREXIT is making us richer or better of so far."The pound was always going to fall at some stage as the country has been consistently running a balance of payments deficit. It was always just a matter of timing. | |||
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"The people of west cumbria would like to not have to travel 50 miles to the nearest hospital and if voting out means they dont have to then so be it That's a totally different discussion: "Would you rather have a multitude of smaller, local hospitals with poorer outcomes due to inexperienced 'Jack-of-all-trade' doctors or fewer centres of excellence?" is a question we should be having regardless of how much money we chose to spend in total. We wont know unless we try
But, either way, in or out of the EU will make no difference. Except that if one way makes the country poorer and the other richer there will be more or less money to spend on the NHS.
It's early days still but, with the GBP (pound) being at it's lowest level in over 160 years, it doesn't look like BREXIT is making us richer or better of so far.
The pound was always going to fall at some stage as the country has been consistently running a balance of payments deficit. It was always just a matter of timing. "That is right, but since brexit it have had the biggest fall. | |||
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"Of course there should have been a referendum! What a bizarre thing to argue against! How can you deny the people a vote? Letting the people decide was a very fair thing to do. For too long, the public have complained that politicians were out of touch with real people and took us into wars that we didn't want. This time, at long last the people got to choose. Just because you don't like the outcome, you cannot deny the people a say. And this is why we shouldn't have had a referendum. It was a referendum on "should Britain remain in the EU" not "are politicians out of touch, am I pissed off I can't get a council house, did I disagree with the Iraq War, am I afraid of the fact there's now a Polish aisle in the supermarket". Nothing you mentioned in your post is any of what you were supposed to be voting on. " Exactly Ruby, well said. It's a c**t of a decision, and so frustrating how many used it to protest entirely different concerns. | |||
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Another thought provoking bit of input from your good self "haha I notice you keep away from the more contentious posts... so I thought id give you something to respond to
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"Anyone got any facts or can use when I talk about this later today? So far I have: fuck all is changing because step one, in about 2 years time, ish, is to have EU laws passed into UK laws. Then some changes may be possible, but they'll have to be done by whatever government feels is appropriate for winning the following election. Anything else I can add? " Good speech TT, you may yet have to go with ~~# PARTY COCK™ #~~ to cheer the audience up.  | |||
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"I wonder what the vote statistics would be if only the lower class people of the country had a voice ? I don't particularly give a fuck. No one is entitled to more of a voice than me, just as I'm not entitled to more of a voice than them (even though I should be). Would you like a 2nd refferendom ? No. There never should have been one in the first place but there was, the wrong decision was made, and now we have to get on with not trying to not fuck everything up because some people felt disenfranchised and voted to make themselves even more so. The people of west cumbria would like to not have to travel 50 miles to the nearest hospital and if voting out means they dont have to then so be it Money money money is all most seem to be interested in these days Oh and holidays and marmite
So a decision that's being taken with regard to the NHS, by British politicians, which the EU has no power over whatsoever, is the reason you voted to give more power to those same British politicians so they can take more decisions like that? Aye.
How does the eu have no power ?
Do they not tell our government what we can and cant spend money on ?
No they don't. "Well sorry but they do in a round about way, the money we pay to the EU is British taxpayers money, and the EU is deciding how that money is spent not our sovereign parliament. | |||
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" I have greater faith in the public than you. So, you were aware of the implications but other people were ignorant and stupid? Really? Or could it just possibly be the opposite? That's not what I said at all... That is what it sounded like. Would you care to rephrase it? If you read comments earlier up the thread about people's reasons for voting for brexit, it's clear many *were* completely ignorant of what they were actually voting on. Unless you also think it was the big bad EU which is closing maternity services at West Cumbria hospital?" I've read them, just as I have read the reasons given by the remainers. It is quite clear to me that many brexiters were quite aware of the reasons for their choice. And that it was nothing to do with maternity services at West Cumbria hospital. | |||
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"The people of west cumbria would like to not have to travel 50 miles to the nearest hospital and if voting out means they dont have to then so be it That's a totally different discussion: "Would you rather have a multitude of smaller, local hospitals with poorer outcomes due to inexperienced 'Jack-of-all-trade' doctors or fewer centres of excellence?" is a question we should be having regardless of how much money we chose to spend in total. We wont know unless we try
But, either way, in or out of the EU will make no difference. Except that if one way makes the country poorer and the other richer there will be more or less money to spend on the NHS.
It's early days still but, with the GBP (pound) being at it's lowest level in over 160 years, it doesn't look like BREXIT is making us richer or better of so far.
The pound was always going to fall at some stage as the country has been consistently running a balance of payments deficit. It was always just a matter of timing. That is right, but since brexit it have had the biggest fall."Yes it's accelerated a fall which had to happen anyway. | |||
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" I have greater faith in the public than you. So, you were aware of the implications but other people were ignorant and stupid? Really? Or could it just possibly be the opposite? That's not what I said at all... That is what it sounded like. Would you care to rephrase it? If you read comments earlier up the thread about people's reasons for voting for brexit, it's clear many *were* completely ignorant of what they were actually voting on. Unless you also think it was the big bad EU which is closing maternity services at West Cumbria hospital? I've read them, just as I have read the reasons given by the remainers. It is quite clear to me that many brexiters were quite aware of the reasons for their choice. And that it was nothing to do with maternity services at West Cumbria hospital." Was very clear about my reasons for wanting out of the EU in this forum during the referendum campaign. Stop paying extortionate EU membership fees, make UK law supreme over EU law and stop the free movement of people from the EU, just a few of the many, many reasons why I voted leave. | |||
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" I have greater faith in the public than you. So, you were aware of the implications but other people were ignorant and stupid? Really? Or could it just possibly be the opposite? That's not what I said at all... That is what it sounded like. Would you care to rephrase it? If you read comments earlier up the thread about people's reasons for voting for brexit, it's clear many *were* completely ignorant of what they were actually voting on. Unless you also think it was the big bad EU which is closing maternity services at West Cumbria hospital? I've read them, just as I have read the reasons given by the remainers. It is quite clear to me that many brexiters were quite aware of the reasons for their choice. And that it was nothing to do with maternity services at West Cumbria hospital." If you really think even a slight majority of voters (on either side, I'm sure there are ignorant, deluded remainers too) were voting on the real question asked then yes, you do have far more faith in the British public than I do. | |||
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" I have greater faith in the public than you. So, you were aware of the implications but other people were ignorant and stupid? Really? Or could it just possibly be the opposite? That's not what I said at all... That is what it sounded like. Would you care to rephrase it? If you read comments earlier up the thread about people's reasons for voting for brexit, it's clear many *were* completely ignorant of what they were actually voting on. Unless you also think it was the big bad EU which is closing maternity services at West Cumbria hospital? I've read them, just as I have read the reasons given by the remainers. It is quite clear to me that many brexiters were quite aware of the reasons for their choice. And that it was nothing to do with maternity services at West Cumbria hospital. If you really think even a slight majority of voters (on either side, I'm sure there are ignorant, deluded remainers too) were voting on the real question asked then yes, you do have far more faith in the British public than I do. " Of course there were ignorant voters on both sides of the table. But, since the average IQ of a UK resident is 100, and since most people with an IQ of about 100 are reasonably intelligent, I choose to have faith in the result of a referendum put to the UK public. | |||
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" I have greater faith in the public than you. So, you were aware of the implications but other people were ignorant and stupid? Really? Or could it just possibly be the opposite? That's not what I said at all... That is what it sounded like. Would you care to rephrase it? If you read comments earlier up the thread about people's reasons for voting for brexit, it's clear many *were* completely ignorant of what they were actually voting on. Unless you also think it was the big bad EU which is closing maternity services at West Cumbria hospital? I've read them, just as I have read the reasons given by the remainers. It is quite clear to me that many brexiters were quite aware of the reasons for their choice. And that it was nothing to do with maternity services at West Cumbria hospital. Was very clear about my reasons for wanting out of the EU in this forum during the referendum campaign. Stop paying extortionate EU membership fees, make UK law supreme over EU law and stop the free movement of people from the EU, just a few of the many, many reasons why I voted leave. " Same here | |||
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" I have greater faith in the public than you. So, you were aware of the implications but other people were ignorant and stupid? Really? Or could it just possibly be the opposite? That's not what I said at all... That is what it sounded like. Would you care to rephrase it? If you read comments earlier up the thread about people's reasons for voting for brexit, it's clear many *were* completely ignorant of what they were actually voting on. Unless you also think it was the big bad EU which is closing maternity services at West Cumbria hospital? I've read them, just as I have read the reasons given by the remainers. It is quite clear to me that many brexiters were quite aware of the reasons for their choice. And that it was nothing to do with maternity services at West Cumbria hospital. If you really think even a slight majority of voters (on either side, I'm sure there are ignorant, deluded remainers too) were voting on the real question asked then yes, you do have far more faith in the British public than I do. " I have faith in my fellow cumbruans that do not want to have to travel half way across the north of england for treatment, the eu tells this country what they can and cant spend money on there for making it impossible to put money into the only rural hospital in west cumbria Like i say i have faith in my fellow pheasants | |||
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" the eu tells this country what they can and cant spend money on there for making it impossible to put money into the only rural hospital in west cumbria No, it doesn't. Repeating it doesn't make it true. "Smile and the pheasants shall smile beside you
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See you all up at hadrians wall when shit hits the fan "Pheasants are cunts and I already live north of the wall. | |||
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" the eu tells this country what they can and cant spend money on there for making it impossible to put money into the only rural hospital in west cumbria No, it doesn't. Repeating it doesn't make it true.
Smile and the pheasants shall smile beside you
See you all up at hadrians wall when shit hits the fan
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" the eu tells this country what they can and cant spend money on there for making it impossible to put money into the only rural hospital in west cumbria No, it doesn't. Repeating it doesn't make it true.
Smile and the pheasants shall smile beside you
See you all up at hadrians wall when shit hits the fan
Pheasants are cunts and I already live north of the wall.
Yes but your on the east end of that wall ruby, does that matter ?
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" I have greater faith in the public than you. So, you were aware of the implications but other people were ignorant and stupid? Really? Or could it just possibly be the opposite? That's not what I said at all... That is what it sounded like. Would you care to rephrase it? If you read comments earlier up the thread about people's reasons for voting for brexit, it's clear many *were* completely ignorant of what they were actually voting on. Unless you also think it was the big bad EU which is closing maternity services at West Cumbria hospital? I've read them, just as I have read the reasons given by the remainers. It is quite clear to me that many brexiters were quite aware of the reasons for their choice. And that it was nothing to do with maternity services at West Cumbria hospital. If you really think even a slight majority of voters (on either side, I'm sure there are ignorant, deluded remainers too) were voting on the real question asked then yes, you do have far more faith in the British public than I do. I have faith in my fellow cumbruans that do not want to have to travel half way across the north of england for treatment, the eu tells this country what they can and cant spend money on there for making it impossible to put money into the only rural hospital in west cumbria Like i say i have faith in my fellow pheasants "Is that like giving everyone the bird? | |||
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"No mention about possible conflict/war/fight People need to look at possible bigger pictures instead of being pissed off because its going to cost more for a holiday lol Hadrians wall will likely be your only safer haven and all us northeners will be protecters " What war!!!If there is a war it will have nothing to do with wheather we are in the EU or not.We will still be in NATO and we got dragged into war defending nations against the Germans may I remind you so grow up | |||
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"My grocery bill is higher Petrol is more expensive Cant go on holiday Pound is worthless I'm so happy " And the marmite dispute has been resolved. All is well with the world. | |||
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" I have greater faith in the public than you. So, you were aware of the implications but other people were ignorant and stupid? Really? Or could it just possibly be the opposite? That's not what I said at all... That is what it sounded like. Would you care to rephrase it? If you read comments earlier up the thread about people's reasons for voting for brexit, it's clear many *were* completely ignorant of what they were actually voting on. Unless you also think it was the big bad EU which is closing maternity services at West Cumbria hospital? I've read them, just as I have read the reasons given by the remainers. It is quite clear to me that many brexiters were quite aware of the reasons for their choice. And that it was nothing to do with maternity services at West Cumbria hospital. If you really think even a slight majority of voters (on either side, I'm sure there are ignorant, deluded remainers too) were voting on the real question asked then yes, you do have far more faith in the British public than I do. I have faith in my fellow cumbruans that do not want to have to travel half way across the north of england for treatment, the eu tells this country what they can and cant spend money on there for making it impossible to put money into the only rural hospital in west cumbria Like i say i have faith in my fellow pheasants
Is that like giving everyone the bird? "I think both sides are having out collective chains pulled. | |||
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"I wonder what the vote statistics would be if only the lower class people of the country had a voice ? I don't particularly give a fuck. No one is entitled to more of a voice than me, just as I'm not entitled to more of a voice than them (even though I should be). Would you like a 2nd refferendom ? No. There never should have been one in the first place but there was, the wrong decision was made, and now we have to get on with not trying to not fuck everything up because some people felt disenfranchised and voted to make themselves even more so. The people of west cumbria would like to not have to travel 50 miles to the nearest hospital and if voting out means they dont have to then so be it Money money money is all most seem to be interested in these days Oh and holidays and marmite
So a decision that's being taken with regard to the NHS, by British politicians, which the EU has no power over whatsoever, is the reason you voted to give more power to those same British politicians so they can take more decisions like that? Aye.
How does the eu have no power ?
Do they not tell our government what we can and cant spend money on ?
No they don't.
Well sorry but they do in a round about way, the money we pay to the EU is British taxpayers money, and the EU is deciding how that money is spent not our sovereign parliament. "Come on, that's a bit of a stretch even for you. | |||
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