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By *oo hot OP   Couple
over a year ago

North West

For me yes.

A life long natural conservative voter since Mrs Thatcher first opened my eyes to self reliance and opportunism. The pre Brexit debates and recent re alignment of Theresa May's views has made me think that that the conservative ideology is maybe not the selfish future that I now want.

So what about you?

Me, I have never voted anything but conservative in the past.

Today and tomorrow - I have no clue who I might vote for other than I know it could never again be conservative.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I have mainly been Conservative but flirted with Labour once and voted for Blair over Major, like a fool. I will probably only ever vote Conservative in the future, in no small part because of the respect they have shown for the wishes of the majority in the referendum.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I've been green for years after the first vote for Blair in 97!

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I really wouldn't vote Tory or labour ever again without major policy shifts.

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I used to be a firm socialist but a good friend on here changed my opinion!.

I'm now firmly for regulation and capitalism, the more I've read the more I now think companies and people should be left to fail or succeed on the back of their own hard work....I don't know why I didn't see it before but i didn't, I think I was to busy trying to save everything..... Failure is key, fuckwits should fail and hard workers should prosper... It's just like nature and we're fighting it instead of working with it

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

On that basis we need some right wing policies on how we let the fuckwits fail and some left wing policies on how we regulate the cunts who succeed!.... Simples

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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago

Cambridge

Brexit hasn't, but it has made me get more involved in politics. I'm a left of center Blairite, but have voted tactically in the past. I will probably end up voting for Labour in the future, but I wouldn't like to see, and don't suppose I shall, see Corbyn as PM.

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By *ylonSlutTV/TS
over a year ago

Durham

A little possibly I would vote tory, which couldn't previously dreamed of, to keep UKIP out if i had to so i would say yes.

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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago

Cambridge


"I've been green for years after the first vote for Blair in 97!

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I really wouldn't vote Tory or labour ever again without major policy shifts.

.

I used to be a firm socialist but a good friend on here changed my opinion!.

I'm now firmly for regulation and capitalism, the more I've read the more I now think companies and people should be left to fail or succeed on the back of their own hard work....I don't know why I didn't see it before but i didn't, I think I was to busy trying to save everything..... Failure is key, fuckwits should fail and hard workers should prosper... It's just like nature and we're fighting it instead of working with it"

I think businesses should be allowed to fail, but I find it crazy when people try to use those kind of market pressures in the public sector, I read an article about GPs surgeries being allowed to fail today

However I think the phrase "too big to fail" is a bit mad, I prefer "if it's too big to fail, it's too big to be in private hands"

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I've been green for years after the first vote for Blair in 97!

.

I really wouldn't vote Tory or labour ever again without major policy shifts.

.

I used to be a firm socialist but a good friend on here changed my opinion!.

I'm now firmly for regulation and capitalism, the more I've read the more I now think companies and people should be left to fail or succeed on the back of their own hard work....I don't know why I didn't see it before but i didn't, I think I was to busy trying to save everything..... Failure is key, fuckwits should fail and hard workers should prosper... It's just like nature and we're fighting it instead of working with it

I think businesses should be allowed to fail, but I find it crazy when people try to use those kind of market pressures in the public sector, I read an article about GPs surgeries being allowed to fail today

However I think the phrase "too big to fail" is a bit mad, I prefer "if it's too big to fail, it's too big to be in private hands""
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Were obsessed with successes but

I think the real question should be why are we so afraid of failure?

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock

I have voted Ukip at the last 2 general elections and I feel it has been worth it supporting them to firstly help pressurise the government into delivering an EU referendum and now victory has been achieved in that EU referendum. I'm liking what I'm seeing from Theresa May and her government now though and if she delivers a hard Brexit from the EU then I would most likely vote for her government at the next general election. If she delivers a soft Brexit though then I'm more likely to continue to vote Ukip.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I voted UKIP, but will probably vote Conservative in the future.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Vote for may and let's spread the money around before the workers revolt and take it god help us then

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By *illwill69uMan
over a year ago

moston

My political life started an an activist in the Young Conservatives.

My disillusionment started when I saw (from the inside) the way Thatcher used and abused the Armed Services for her own political gain. It was completed as I watched the police being politicised and the shameful way they and the courts were used to destroy the industrial heart of the country and the mining industry in particular.

Thatcher and her legacy has been divisive and corrosive for this country and history will not be kind to her or her acolytes in my view.

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

Mainly on the left though I seem to be a mixture of various. Dallied with the far left when I was a Union official but found a lot of them to be out of touch..

turned away from Labour under Blair and went with the Greens for a while..

my politics has always been about personal responsibility to 'contribute' but with a safety net for those in genuine need, respecting each other's diversity and looking after this place we live in now as we are only meant to be safeguarding it for our future generations..

not really sure which camp that puts me in..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Mainly on the left though I seem to be a mixture of various. Dallied with the far left when I was a Union official but found a lot of them to be out of touch..

turned away from Labour under Blair and went with the Greens for a while..

my politics has always been about personal responsibility to 'contribute' but with a safety net for those in genuine need, respecting each other's diversity and looking after this place we live in now as we are only meant to be safeguarding it for our future generations..

not really sure which camp that puts me in.. "
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If you take out respecting others diversity(which I detest), were in the same camp.

I only respect good cultural practises, I'm not really bothered who's they are or aren't

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I've been Labour all my life, but as a British supporter of Israel and political realist who believes that Corbyn's New Old Labour is a dangerous beast, I'd be willing to vote other ways tactically in future. I'll remain a member of Labour though and jump on any opportunity to challenge the fools who've taken over.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I really only engaged properly with politics at the age of 23, mainly because prior to that I had focused more on my studies and I had 2 issues which I voted on. Who puts legitimate policies forward which will help the needs of the many over the few, and who have progressive policies and attitudes towards anthropogenic climate change and the surrounding issues.

As a result I had drifted between a green protest vote, lib dem and labour.

I can't see myself voting Conservative, I feel as though May's speech a few days ago was grasping at too many groups in politics - trying to win over some centre left labour and lib dem voters, whilst pandering to the hard right libertarian UKIPers and Tories, whilst trying to reassure every leave voter.

It's over ambitious in my opinion, too much to handle with brexit on the table and if she tries to put polices in place for all of those groups I image the tory party could tear itself apart.

As for who else there is, I'm not sure. Labour is in a precarious point atm, and I like Corbyn but his policies need to change a bit to secure my vote. Lib dems, still centrist, and I like the idea of a vote to ratify the 'brexit deal', with the right policies I think in the next GE they could be the 'king makers' again to to speak.

I'd never vote UKIP and I want to see where the greens are headed.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"For me yes.

A life long natural conservative voter since Mrs Thatcher first opened my eyes to self reliance and opportunism. The pre Brexit debates and recent re alignment of Theresa May's views has made me think that that the conservative ideology is maybe not the selfish future that I now want.

So what about you?

Me, I have never voted anything but conservative in the past.

Today and tomorrow - I have no clue who I might vote for other than I know it could never again be conservative."

OP, interesting to hear about your recent drift away from wanting a 'selfish future' as you put it. Just curious what in regards to Mrs May and Brexit influenced this?

Nothing wrong with self reliance and ambition in my opinion, but the two are different from greed which I feel is in excess at the moment.

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire


"Mainly on the left though I seem to be a mixture of various. Dallied with the far left when I was a Union official but found a lot of them to be out of touch..

turned away from Labour under Blair and went with the Greens for a while..

my politics has always been about personal responsibility to 'contribute' but with a safety net for those in genuine need, respecting each other's diversity and looking after this place we live in now as we are only meant to be safeguarding it for our future generations..

not really sure which camp that puts me in.. .

If you take out respecting others diversity(which I detest), were in the same camp.

I only respect good cultural practises, I'm not really bothered who's they are or aren't"

think it goes without saying that I'm not(ditto most reasonable people I reckon)into the more extreme aspects of how some of our species interpret their chosen book of choice..

do you wear sandals, Doors?

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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago

upton wirral


"Brexit hasn't, but it has made me get more involved in politics. I'm a left of center Blairite, but have voted tactically in the past. I will probably end up voting for Labour in the future, but I wouldn't like to see, and don't suppose I shall, see Corbyn as PM."
What if he won!!!To late then to complain, him winning would destroy are great nation,brexit will not

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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago

upton wirral


"Brexit hasn't, but it has made me get more involved in politics. I'm a left of center Blairite, but have voted tactically in the past. I will probably end up voting for Labour in the future, but I wouldn't like to see, and don't suppose I shall, see Corbyn as PM."
You do not like democracy do you

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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago

upton wirral


"Vote for may and let's spread the money around before the workers revolt and take it god help us then "

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By *isandreTV/TS
over a year ago

Durham

Nope, I'm still on the left of centre.

I've enjoyed the Tories publicly showing themselves to be what we've always known though.

I'm undecided about Corbyn, though I quite like most of his policies, but I've had my eyes opened regarding the PLP.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Mainly on the left though I seem to be a mixture of various. Dallied with the far left when I was a Union official but found a lot of them to be out of touch..

turned away from Labour under Blair and went with the Greens for a while..

my politics has always been about personal responsibility to 'contribute' but with a safety net for those in genuine need, respecting each other's diversity and looking after this place we live in now as we are only meant to be safeguarding it for our future generations..

not really sure which camp that puts me in.. .

If you take out respecting others diversity(which I detest), were in the same camp.

I only respect good cultural practises, I'm not really bothered who's they are or aren't

think it goes without saying that I'm not(ditto most reasonable people I reckon)into the more extreme aspects of how some of our species interpret their chosen book of choice..

do you wear sandals, Doors?

"
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Im a proud sandal wearer!.

Im also keen on good values, if that comes from a different culture I'm all for it, many Pakistanis have some good work culture, many Caribbeans have some good culture towards maybe not working yourself to death, native American culture could teach us a thing or two about looking after the environment better....I like culture that fits in with my values , if it doesn't I don't think we should be afraid to say it regardless of somebody being a minority.

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Politically though my main goals are green issues, therefore these take president over stuff I disagree with the green party about(which there's lots) and that's usually the one thing that annoys me a little about people in politics there either Tory and every thing Tory is genius and brilliant and joyful and the other lot are scum...

Or it's reversed and Tories are scum and everything left wing is wonderful and one day soon they'll be a utopia of leftyness.

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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago

Cambridge


"Brexit hasn't, but it has made me get more involved in politics. I'm a left of center Blairite, but have voted tactically in the past. I will probably end up voting for Labour in the future, but I wouldn't like to see, and don't suppose I shall, see Corbyn as PM.You do not like democracy do you"

I share Churchill's views on it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Mainly on the left though I seem to be a mixture of various. Dallied with the far left when I was a Union official but found a lot of them to be out of touch..

turned away from Labour under Blair and went with the Greens for a while..

my politics has always been about personal responsibility to 'contribute' but with a safety net for those in genuine need, respecting each other's diversity and looking after this place we live in now as we are only meant to be safeguarding it for our future generations..

not really sure which camp that puts me in.. .

If you take out respecting others diversity(which I detest), were in the same camp.

I only respect good cultural practises, I'm not really bothered who's they are or aren't

think it goes without saying that I'm not(ditto most reasonable people I reckon)into the more extreme aspects of how some of our species interpret their chosen book of choice..

do you wear sandals, Doors?

.

Im a proud sandal wearer!.

Im also keen on good values, if that comes from a different culture I'm all for it, many Pakistanis have some good work culture, many Caribbeans have some good culture towards maybe not working yourself to death, native American culture could teach us a thing or two about looking after the environment better....I like culture that fits in with my values , if it doesn't I don't think we should be afraid to say it regardless of somebody being a minority.

.

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Politically though my main goals are green issues, therefore these take president over stuff I disagree with the green party about(which there's lots) and that's usually the one thing that annoys me a little about people in politics there either Tory and every thing Tory is genius and brilliant and joyful and the other lot are scum...

Or it's reversed and Tories are scum and everything left wing is wonderful and one day soon they'll be a utopia of leftyness.

"

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Im from Scotland, there is only one party in Scotland who continues to look after Scotland's interests why would I want to vote for any other party who only wants to put Scotland down.

its a no brainer up here in the "Real North"

snp.

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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago

Cambridge


"Im from Scotland, there is only one party in Scotland who continues to look after Scotland's interests why would I want to vote for any other party who only wants to put Scotland down.

its a no brainer up here in the "Real North"

snp."

I was wondering where you had got to, have you been at conference?

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock


"Im from Scotland, there is only one party in Scotland who continues to look after Scotland's interests why would I want to vote for any other party who only wants to put Scotland down.

its a no brainer up here in the "Real North"

snp."

You wanted out of the EU though and the SNP wants to drag you back in once the UK has left.

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire


"Mainly on the left though I seem to be a mixture of various. Dallied with the far left when I was a Union official but found a lot of them to be out of touch..

turned away from Labour under Blair and went with the Greens for a while..

my politics has always been about personal responsibility to 'contribute' but with a safety net for those in genuine need, respecting each other's diversity and looking after this place we live in now as we are only meant to be safeguarding it for our future generations..

not really sure which camp that puts me in.. .

If you take out respecting others diversity(which I detest), were in the same camp.

I only respect good cultural practises, I'm not really bothered who's they are or aren't

think it goes without saying that I'm not(ditto most reasonable people I reckon)into the more extreme aspects of how some of our species interpret their chosen book of choice..

do you wear sandals, Doors?

.

Im a proud sandal wearer!.

Im also keen on good values, if that comes from a different culture I'm all for it, many Pakistanis have some good work culture, many Caribbeans have some good culture towards maybe not working yourself to death, native American culture could teach us a thing or two about looking after the environment better....I like culture that fits in with my values , if it doesn't I don't think we should be afraid to say it regardless of somebody being a minority.

.

.

Politically though my main goals are green issues, therefore these take president over stuff I disagree with the green party about(which there's lots) and that's usually the one thing that annoys me a little about people in politics there either Tory and every thing Tory is genius and brilliant and joyful and the other lot are scum...

Or it's reversed and Tories are scum and everything left wing is wonderful and one day soon they'll be a utopia of leftyness.

"

there isn't one party that doesn't, hasn't and wont fuck up during their tenure or have shit policies etc..

a blinkered myopic viewpoint or a failure to address objectively all of our political parties doesn't serve anyone best..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Im from Scotland, there is only one party in Scotland who continues to look after Scotland's interests why would I want to vote for any other party who only wants to put Scotland down.

its a no brainer up here in the "Real North"

snp.

I was wondering where you had got to, have you been at conference? "

you know only too well where I have been, as do some select others

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Im from Scotland, there is only one party in Scotland who continues to look after Scotland's interests why would I want to vote for any other party who only wants to put Scotland down.

its a no brainer up here in the "Real North"

snp.

You wanted out of the EU though and the SNP wants to drag you back in once the UK has left. "

indeed, and what a tough choice to make If this referendum is called

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which is the lesser of the two evils

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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago

Cambridge


"Im from Scotland, there is only one party in Scotland who continues to look after Scotland's interests why would I want to vote for any other party who only wants to put Scotland down.

its a no brainer up here in the "Real North"

snp.

I was wondering where you had got to, have you been at conference?

you know only too well where I have been, as do some select others"

What's that meant to mean? How would I know where you've been?

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By *oo hot OP   Couple
over a year ago

North West


"For me yes.

A life long natural conservative voter since Mrs Thatcher first opened my eyes to self reliance and opportunism. The pre Brexit debates and recent re alignment of Theresa May's views has made me think that that the conservative ideology is maybe not the selfish future that I now want.

So what about you?

Me, I have never voted anything but conservative in the past.

Today and tomorrow - I have no clue who I might vote for other than I know it could never again be conservative.

OP, interesting to hear about your recent drift away from wanting a 'selfish future' as you put it. Just curious what in regards to Mrs May and Brexit influenced this?

Nothing wrong with self reliance and ambition in my opinion, but the two are different from greed which I feel is in excess at the moment."

I drifted from the Conservatives due to death by a thousand cuts from 2010 up until about the time of the Brexit referendum. The coup de gras was the Theresa May speech a few days ago which said everything that I am not. I thought it was selfish, divisive, intolerant and inward looking at a time when the world needs less borders, not more as well as more tolerance, not less.

As an aside I thought Nicola Sturgeons speech today was excellent albeit her passion for IndyRef2 (yet more borders) might not be something I share. That said, I remember just how much English politicians interfered so much in IndyRef1 with assurances about continued EU Membership and so I think they are entitled to feel justified in asking the question again now that the landscape has completely changed

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"For me yes.

A life long natural conservative voter since Mrs Thatcher first opened my eyes to self reliance and opportunism. The pre Brexit debates and recent re alignment of Theresa May's views has made me think that that the conservative ideology is maybe not the selfish future that I now want.

So what about you?

Me, I have never voted anything but conservative in the past.

Today and tomorrow - I have no clue who I might vote for other than I know it could never again be conservative.

OP, interesting to hear about your recent drift away from wanting a 'selfish future' as you put it. Just curious what in regards to Mrs May and Brexit influenced this?

Nothing wrong with self reliance and ambition in my opinion, but the two are different from greed which I feel is in excess at the moment.

I drifted from the Conservatives due to death by a thousand cuts from 2010 up until about the time of the Brexit referendum. The coup de gras was the Theresa May speech a few days ago which said everything that I am not. I thought it was selfish, divisive, intolerant and inward looking at a time when the world needs less borders, not more as well as more tolerance, not less.

As an aside I thought Nicola Sturgeons speech today was excellent albeit her passion for IndyRef2 (yet more borders) might not be something I share. That said, I remember just how much English politicians interfered so much in IndyRef1 with assurances about continued EU Membership and so I think they are entitled to feel justified in asking the question again now that the landscape has completely changed"

Agreed on everything about Sturgeon's speech.

Out of interest what part of May's speech did you find selfish, divisive and intolerant, if you are to digress?

I agree on those points, the other side of it is I feel as though see is working from a very strong right wing position and is trying to cast her net to pull in 'the brexit vote' from all sides, as well as tame both the hard right of the tories and UKIP, as well as the right and centre of labour. Probably a policy tactic which wont work. Your opinion?

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead


"For me yes.

A life long natural conservative voter since Mrs Thatcher first opened my eyes to self reliance and opportunism. The pre Brexit debates and recent re alignment of Theresa May's views has made me think that that the conservative ideology is maybe not the selfish future that I now want.

So what about you?

Me, I have never voted anything but conservative in the past.

Today and tomorrow - I have no clue who I might vote for other than I know it could never again be conservative."

it's a really good question....

by definition i think i see myself as being between centre and centre-left.... a social democrat so to speak, so "new labour i suppose spoke to me more than any other party.....

the last general was tough for me, milliband didn't speak to me, lib dem i said i couldn't after the student tuition climbdown and i was never going to vote for cameron's tories....

if i had been the other side of the border i could see me voting for sturgeons snp or ruth davidson scottish tories which surprised me (no where near as right wing...)

in the end i voted green......

now... post everything that has happened, i have actually been impressed with farron's lib dems... i don't ever see me voting for may's tories or corbyns labour!

so i suppose thats where i am at the moment....

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By *anes HubbyCouple
over a year ago

Babbacombe Torquay

We are also Centre Left, and would absolutely support a split in the party that we have voted for ever since we were old enough to vote.

New Labour was a breathe of fresh air for us and although we would vote for Corbyn's Labour rather than vote Tory at a push we have little faith in the far left.

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