FabSwingers.com forum: UK civil war inevitable?

By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

With entrenched positions on both sides of the EU debate, which is simply a focal point for a deeply divided society between the empowered neo-liberals and the largely ignored small C conservatives. Is civil unrest in this country inevitable? The remainers are refusing to accept the democratic result of the referendum and I suspect if the referendum were to be held again and the leave result overturned, that the leavers would be equally reluctant to accept that outcome. How far will this schism go and what are the consequences for this country?

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By *tillup4funMan
over a year ago

Wakefield

"With entrenched positions on both sides of the EU debate, which is simply a focal point for a deeply divided society between the empowered neo-liberals and the largely ignored small C conservatives. Is civil unrest in this country inevitable? The remainers are refusing to accept the democratic result of the referendum and I suspect if the referendum were to be held again and the leave result overturned, that the leavers would be equally reluctant to accept that outcome. How far will this schism go and what are the consequences for this country?"

According to Teresa May there will be no 2nd referendum so the remainers will have to accept the result in the end.

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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago

Cambridge

I think civil unrest is a distinct possibility, civil war, probably not.

Differently to you OP, I think the change will come when the economic situation seriously disintegrates and the promises made during the campaign fail to materialise. I think it will be the people who voted leave against the other people who voted leave when they see that there is no more money for the NHS, when unemployment rises, when we have another recession and age of austerity, when food prices increase whilst wages and benefits stagnate. That is when we will see the real civil unrest in this country. When people realise that they have been lied to.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Pmsl

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By *est_woodMan
over a year ago

West London

"I think civil unrest is a distinct possibility, civil war, probably not.

This is just scaremongering..the public has been lied to numerous times since 9/11 alone...such as the recent exposure that US security services paid 500million dollars to a UK PR company to make so called AL QAEDA videos..this is just one in many...

The UK public do not have the passion as the greeks etc to cause a anything resembling civil unrest...kettling will do its job if anything arises lol

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By *anes HubbyCouple
over a year ago

Babbacombe Torquay

I think the mood will change when the Poles and Slovaks and Co. all start to leave the country, and the government open the floodgates for the Commonwealth.....

The government have already on two occasions in the last week mentioned this, as soon as the idiots amongst the leavers that based their vote on immigration alone, and there were many, realise they have been lied to on immigration they will make their feelings very clear.

Coupled with a plunging pound and inevitable inflation that goes with it, it will result in a lot of anger in the country.....

I'll be watching on and shaking my head

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

#teamcaptainamerica

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By *oorland2Couple
over a year ago

Stoke

"I think civil unrest is a distinct possibility, civil war, probably not.

doom gloom, makes you sound like a TU rep, only bad will come of this

we survived before the EU we put more in than we physically get out, we are a strong modern well governed nation, its the instability in mainland Europe that i fear along with the islamification of Europe and the UK

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By *anes HubbyCouple
over a year ago

Babbacombe Torquay

"I think civil unrest is a distinct possibility, civil war, probably not.

doom gloom, makes you sound like a TU rep, only bad will come of this

Islamification of the UK?......really?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Well it's been 350 years so I guess it's about time!!.

I can't wait to start stringing people up.... I'm starting with frequent flyers( utter cunts) frequent drivers(even worse cunts) and people who think it's cold while wearing a thin shirt.... Oh I can't tell you what cunntey they are!!.

Bring on the pitch forks I say

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Are there any frequent flyers on here?.

Just curious like

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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago

North West

"Are there any frequent flyers on here?.

Just curious like

Yes me. Minimum 5 transatlantic return flights a year plus an extra (free) one every two to three years from the accrued miles. Also happen to have a vehicle on which we pay top rate of VED. I also wear shorts all year round.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Are there any frequent flyers on here?.

Just curious like

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Aggghhhh I'm so outraged by your filthy words...... If I'm outraged enough does the means justify the ends!.

Probably not, I can protest, hold some banners up but mostly just put up with it!.

As that's the point of living in a civilised society.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Are there any frequent flyers on here?.

Just curious like

Yup I have to. A pushbike or a Prius would unfortunately not cut it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Are there any frequent flyers on here?.

Just curious like

4 or 5 times a year, would be more if we could. Not once has the airline said we won't be flying if you're not on it though

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

You all get the point about acceptable behaviour though... Yours is not acceptable to me, mine to you and GLCC to everybody

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We have to get along with our differences.... Or we can become the new Syria

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Ah, yes, those "empowered neo-liberals."

I think I might have spotted one of them at my neo-local, but can't be sure.

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By *funtimes.Man
over a year ago

Preston

"I think civil unrest is a distinct possibility, civil war, probably not.

that is how it already was. be interesting to see if can get any worse than things have been.

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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago

Cambridge

"I think civil unrest is a distinct possibility, civil war, probably not.

that is how it already was. be interesting to see if can get any worse than things have been."

Things can always get worse

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I think civil unrest is a distinct possibility, civil war, probably not.

Politicians lie??

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

There will be riots on the streets of this country, in the cities especially. Too many people living in cramped conditions in such overpopulated areas.

It will have nothing to do with the EU referendum, that is now being manipulated and turned into a side show, a distraction. That is what politicians do, big up one issue to overcloud another.

They will hold back on the whole BREXIT thing as long as possible, because it is drawing fire, and politicians love all that.

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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago

Cambridge

The idea that people wont mind about losing their jobs as long as there is no longer a Polish family living three streets away is quite frankly ridiculous.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I still hold we just split the UK down the middle, literally a wall North to South - pro EU and no EU on either side, then see how things point out. Oh and I suppose those who can't commit to one side can move freely?

Brexit is already a global - 'how not to resolve a complicated socio-political and economic issue', example, we might as well experiment, record the results and see what happens.

I'd be expectant of a hyper nationalist, bordering imperialist, non-EU side of the UK emerging and seeking to conquer or 'take back control' of the rest of the UK.

P.s this is a joke, and yes, I went to the pub tonight.

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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago

near ipswich

"I think civil unrest is a distinct possibility, civil war, probably not.

doom gloom, makes you sound like a TU rep, only bad will come of this

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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago

Cambridge

"I think civil unrest is a distinct possibility, civil war, probably not.

doom gloom, makes you sound like a TU rep, only bad will come of this

This is a sentiment often voiced by Leave voters on the forums. For me personally, I would rather see the UK thrive, rather than just survive.

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By *nleashedCrakenMan
over a year ago

Widnes

According to Teresa May there will be no 2nd referendum so the remainers will have to accept the result in the end."

How can there possibly be no second referendum when we've just had the second referendum on the EU. Do you mean there won't be a third referendum on the issue.

For the record the first referendum was won by Remain with a massive majority of 67%. The second referendum (the one we've just had) was won by leave with a slim majority of 52%. What I don't understand is why leave expect remain to accept the result of the second referendum when they never accepted the result of the first.

All that being said, I'm not in favour of a third referendum any more than I was in favour of the second or the first. As I said on this site back in 2013 when the idea of a second referendum was first raised; referendum are divisive, seldom actually settle a matter and undermine the very principles upon which a representative democracy is based. Seems like I was right on all three objections.

I have always, and continue to, support decisions being made by our democratically elected sovereign parliament, as they have been since 1688 and hopefully will continue to be long into the furniture.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The only reason that the Tory party won the last election with an overall majority is BECAUSE they promised an in out referendum. That alone is the reason why UKIP took less votes away from them, and why we are not governed by either a Tory / UKIP coalition, or Ed Miliband's Labour.

After that they simply cannot reneg, they rolled the dice and for once the people won.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

According to Teresa May there will be no 2nd referendum so the remainers will have to accept the result in the end.

How can there possibly be no second referendum when we've just had the second referendum on the EU. Do you mean there won't be a third referendum on the issue.

This is hitting the nail on the head. Bang on.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The only reason that the Tory party won the last election with an overall majority is BECAUSE they promised an in out referendum. That alone is the reason why UKIP took less votes away from them, and why we are not governed by either a Tory / UKIP coalition, or Ed Miliband's Labour.

After that they simply cannot reneg, they rolled the dice and for once the people won."

A.) Your point?

B.) What dd we win? A Tory leader who is dedicated to ignoring democracy and bypassing taking an issue to parliament to be ratified and questioned which is one of the principals of a parliament like ours?Sounds like leavers are airing support for some level of autocracy - and they say the EU is bad...

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock

After that they simply cannot reneg, they rolled the dice and for once the people won.

A.) Your point?

Theresa May is not ignoring democracy she is implementing the democratic will of the 52% who voted leave in the referendum.

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock

According to Teresa May there will be no 2nd referendum so the remainers will have to accept the result in the end.

How can there possibly be no second referendum when we've just had the second referendum on the EU. Do you mean there won't be a third referendum on the issue.

40 years passed between the 1st referendum in the 1970's and the 2nd referendum in 2016, so if we have another 40 years pass before another referendum on this issue I think most leave voters would be happy with that, I certainly would be.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

After that they simply cannot reneg, they rolled the dice and for once the people won.

A.) Your point?

Theresa May is not ignoring democracy she is implementing the democratic will of the 52% who voted leave in the referendum. "

No, that is selective democracy.

True parliamentary democracy allows each representative to represent their constituents and vote accordingly.

Better yet, if we are going by mob democracy and leavers have faith that leaving is the best option, then a ratifying public vote should be no issue. A question such as "Britain is going to leave the EU, but do you accept the 'deal conditions' for leaving - yes or no?" If yes, Bexit goes full steam ahead, if no, Mrs May can go back to the Brexit drawing board.

Additionally, your dialogue - 'the will of the 52%', do you not see how that is divisive and undemocratic in itself?

Ah yes, we'll now just completely ignore the concerns of the remaining 48% of the electorate who could be arsed to get up and vote, how democratic, we'll pander to our supporters whom we are still not going to share the plans with - beyond "we will just leave the EU".

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

According to Teresa May there will be no 2nd referendum so the remainers will have to accept the result in the end.

How can there possibly be no second referendum when we've just had the second referendum on the EU. Do you mean there won't be a third referendum on the issue.

That is illogical.

The result of the people's vote was "leave." You now want to give parliament the right to say, " Ah, on reflection we will stay after all."

That would certainly be anti-democratic.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

According to Teresa May there will be no 2nd referendum so the remainers will have to accept the result in the end.

How can there possibly be no second referendum when we've just had the second referendum on the EU. Do you mean there won't be a third referendum on the issue.

If an issue is so divisive and contested that it is a near 50/50 split of the vote, why would you have an issue with a third referendum sooner? Laziness or fear that people might want more details?

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock

After that they simply cannot reneg, they rolled the dice and for once the people won.

A.) Your point?

Theresa May is not ignoring democracy she is implementing the democratic will of the 52% who voted leave in the referendum.

No, that is selective democracy.

True parliamentary democracy allows each representative to represent their constituents and vote accordingly.

Additionally, your dialogue - 'the will of the 52%', do you not see how that is divisive and undemocratic in itself?

Parliament already decided to pass the decision of our membership of the EU over to the British people. It was agreed in parliament with a majority of 6 to 1 voting in favour. The British public have now made their choice in a perfectly legal free and fair referendum and the choice was Leave the EU.

Now because you didn't like that answer you are suggesting parliamentary process should be used to either delay Brexit or stop Brrxit altogether by getting MP's to vote against us leaving. That is what it boils down to.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If an issue is so divisive and contested that it is a near 50/50 split of the vote, why would you have an issue with a third referendum sooner? Laziness or fear that people might want more details?"

Let me think. Oh, I know. It would be because the majority of those who voted did so to leave. It's not a hard one.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

After that they simply cannot reneg, they rolled the dice and for once the people won.

A.) Your point?

Theresa May is not ignoring democracy she is implementing the democratic will of the 52% who voted leave in the referendum.

No, that is selective democracy.

True parliamentary democracy allows each representative to represent their constituents and vote accordingly.

Additionally, your dialogue - 'the will of the 52%', do you not see how that is divisive and undemocratic in itself?

No funnily enough I accept the notion that we are to leave, I almost voted leave.

What I am pissed off about is the secrecy in regards to what leaving will entail and how we will do it. How the majority of the public, yes even some leave voters, might get a deal which they don't approve of - be that it is too 'soft' or too 'hard', and don't get a chance to express that, be it to the PM or through parliament.

Only fools agree to go full steam ahead when the road is foggy and unpredictable.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

After that they simply cannot reneg, they rolled the dice and for once the people won.

A.) Your point?

Theresa May is not ignoring democracy she is implementing the democratic will of the 52% who voted leave in the referendum.

No, that is selective democracy.

True parliamentary democracy allows each representative to represent their constituents and vote accordingly.

Additionally, your dialogue - 'the will of the 52%', do you not see how that is divisive and undemocratic in itself?

No funnily enough I accept the notion that we are to leave, I almost voted leave.

Only fools agree to go full steam ahead when the road is foggy and unpredictable."

Only a fool shows his cards when sitting at the table.

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock

After that they simply cannot reneg, they rolled the dice and for once the people won.

A.) Your point?

Theresa May is not ignoring democracy she is implementing the democratic will of the 52% who voted leave in the referendum.

No, that is selective democracy.

True parliamentary democracy allows each representative to represent their constituents and vote accordingly.

Additionally, your dialogue - 'the will of the 52%', do you not see how that is divisive and undemocratic in itself?

No funnily enough I accept the notion that we are to leave, I almost voted leave.

Only fools agree to go full steam ahead when the road is foggy and unpredictable."

Only fools would reveal their negotiating hand before the negotiations have begun, that would be a sure fire way to ensure we end up getting a bad deal in the end.

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By *enard ArgenteMan
over a year ago

London and France

After that they simply cannot reneg, they rolled the dice and for once the people won.

A.) Your point?

Theresa May is not ignoring democracy she is implementing the democratic will of the 52% who voted leave in the referendum.

No, that is selective democracy.

True parliamentary democracy allows each representative to represent their constituents and vote accordingly.

Additionally, your dialogue - 'the will of the 52%', do you not see how that is divisive and undemocratic in itself?

No funnily enough I accept the notion that we are to leave, I almost voted leave.

Only fools agree to go full steam ahead when the road is foggy and unpredictable.

Only fools would reveal their negotiating hand before the negotiations have begun, that would be a sure fire way to ensure we end up getting a bad deal in the end. "

What complete twaddle.

That is sometimes true in commercial negotiations, when you don't want to reveal who is providing funding;or the depth of investments

There is none of that sort of mucking about in international negotiating;

The facts of funding, relevant national laws are fully known by all sides

It is straightforward negotiations with each side giving and taking until a compromise is reached.

That excuse is s complete non-starter, and is used by the government to avoid having to be accountable to anyone

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

After that they simply cannot reneg, they rolled the dice and for once the people won.

A.) Your point?

Theresa May is not ignoring democracy she is implementing the democratic will of the 52% who voted leave in the referendum.

No, that is selective democracy.

True parliamentary democracy allows each representative to represent their constituents and vote accordingly.

Additionally, your dialogue - 'the will of the 52%', do you not see how that is divisive and undemocratic in itself?

No funnily enough I accept the notion that we are to leave, I almost voted leave.

Only fools agree to go full steam ahead when the road is foggy and unpredictable.

Only fools would reveal their negotiating hand before the negotiations have begun, that would be a sure fire way to ensure we end up getting a bad deal in the end.

What complete twaddle.

That is sometimes true in commercial negotiations, when you don't want to reveal who is providing funding;or the depth of investments

There is none of that sort of mucking about in international negotiating;

The facts of funding, relevant national laws are fully known by all sides

It is straightforward negotiations with each side giving and taking until a compromise is reached.

That excuse is s complete non-starter, and is used by the government to avoid having to be accountable to anyone "

It IS a commercial negotiation - the most important one for the UK in a generation.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

After that they simply cannot reneg, they rolled the dice and for once the people won.

A.) Your point?

To simplify.

My point is that the Tories only won because they had their hand forced by UKIP and reluctantly promised a referendum. They know they would not have been elected otherwise, which is further proof that the majority of British people were unhappy with our 40 year membership.

To oversimplify if you like.

We won our freedom back from an organisation that only tolerated us because it could take more than it had to give back.

The government is quite correct, we are leaving and that is that.

Further pontification is hardly worth the bother now.

Now I would like to hire ready mix to fill in the Channel Tunnel.

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock

After that they simply cannot reneg, they rolled the dice and for once the people won.

A.) Your point?

Theresa May is not ignoring democracy she is implementing the democratic will of the 52% who voted leave in the referendum.

No, that is selective democracy.

True parliamentary democracy allows each representative to represent their constituents and vote accordingly.

Additionally, your dialogue - 'the will of the 52%', do you not see how that is divisive and undemocratic in itself?

No funnily enough I accept the notion that we are to leave, I almost voted leave.

Only fools agree to go full steam ahead when the road is foggy and unpredictable.

Only fools would reveal their negotiating hand before the negotiations have begun, that would be a sure fire way to ensure we end up getting a bad deal in the end.

What complete twaddle.

That is sometimes true in commercial negotiations, when you don't want to reveal who is providing funding;or the depth of investments

There is none of that sort of mucking about in international negotiating;

The facts of funding, relevant national laws are fully known by all sides

It is straightforward negotiations with each side giving and taking until a compromise is reached.

That excuse is s complete non-starter, and is used by the government to avoid having to be accountable to anyone

It IS a commercial negotiation - the most important one for the UK in a generation."

Plus I would add that the government has made it very clear that all current employment law will remain in place. Brexit secretary David Davis has also had previous experience of doing international negotiations and also negotiations within the EU so he more than anyone knows what he's talking about when he says you don't reveal your negotiating hand in advance of any future negotiations.

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By *nleashedCrakenMan
over a year ago

Widnes

According to Teresa May there will be no 2nd referendum so the remainers will have to accept the result in the end.

How can there possibly be no second referendum when we've just had the second referendum on the EU. Do you mean there won't be a third referendum on the issue.

Well I wouldn't be happy if a third referendum was held in 40 days, 40 weeks, 40 months or 40 years. In my opinion they are a profoundly undemocratic way of trying to resolve anything. In order for a democracy to work there has to be some form of accountability, some way of holding those making the case and argument, either side, accountable for what they say. With a referendum there is non. And, as you may remember, I'm not just saying this because the side I support lost, I said the same thing right back in 2013 when the whole referendum thing first came up.

You then also have the problem of what does the result actually mean. Yes, 52% of those that voted voted to leave but that's the only mandate the government has from the referendum. It has no mandate to leave the single market because, as you often pointed out on this site, Norway and Switzerland are not members of the EU but are members of the single market. Which means that something like either of those two arrangements would satisfy the mandate to leave (not that I personally would favour either of them).

Where we are now is that the government is taking a valid mandate to leave the EU and extending that mandate to mean leaving the single market and possibly the customs union to. You may think these are good things and, whilst I don't believe them to be so, possibly they could be, but that's not the point. The Point is is that the referendum does not give the government a democratic mandate for any of that. In fact the only democratic mandate the government has in relation to the single market is the one gained from the Conservative Party manifesto in 2015 which said

"We will take powers back from Brussels on your behalf and safe gard Britain's interests in the single market"

(from memory but feel free to check for yourself). That gives the government a clear commitment and mandate to keep Britain in the single market, whether we're in the EU or not. The only truly democratic way the government can get a new mandate to do anything different from that is by having a third referendum but this time on the single market not the EU (I personally would not want that) a general election or a vote in parliament.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

According to Teresa May there will be no 2nd referendum so the remainers will have to accept the result in the end.

How can there possibly be no second referendum when we've just had the second referendum on the EU. Do you mean there won't be a third referendum on the issue.

"We will take powers back from Brussels on your behalf and safe gard Britain's interests in the single market"

Yet another twisted plea to democracy.

The vote was to leave. Accept it. Suggesting that it is in anyway anti-democratic is plain silly.

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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago

North West

Only fools would reveal their negotiating hand before the negotiations have begun, that would be a sure fire way to ensure we end up getting a bad deal in the end. "

We are going to get a bad deal anyway. The only way ogf getting a good deal is to make publuic the Britisgh people's affinity for Europe and its citizens.

Dealing with the EU in a secretive and suspicious manner is absolutely opointless because:

1) They have the upper hand by default.

2) They have time on their side, the UK doesn't.

3) The UK needs a better Brexit deal more than the EU needs to give.

4) All 27 remaining EU nations have to agree the Brexit deal so playing the arse and upsetting one member would be stupid.

5) The outcome will be aligned to International norms and protocols and so will hardly be revolutionary.

The purpose of "no running commentary", no parliamentary debate and no cross parliamentary oversight is quite simply because Prime Minister may and her Brexiteers are still clueless as to how to go about this and where they want to end up.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Only fools would reveal their negotiating hand before the negotiations have begun, that would be a sure fire way to ensure we end up getting a bad deal in the end.

We are going to get a bad deal anyway. The only way ogf getting a good deal is to make publuic the Britisgh people's affinity for Europe and its citizens.

Dealing with the EU in a secretive and suspicious manner is absolutely opointless because:

1) They have the upper hand by default.

No. It is equal.

2) They have time on their side, the UK doesn't.

No. when Article 50 is triggered, everyone has 2 years.

3) The UK needs a better Brexit deal more than the EU needs to give.

No. The EU trades with us more than we do with them.

4) All 27 remaining EU nations have to agree the Brexit deal so playing the arse and upsetting one member would be stupid.

True. And they would also be an arse upsetting us.

5) The outcome will be aligned to International norms and protocols and so will hardly be revolutionary.

No. It is down to this agreement.

No. They are well clued-up.

You do need to get a grip on reality.

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By *nleashedCrakenMan
over a year ago

Widnes

According to Teresa May there will be no 2nd referendum so the remainers will have to accept the result in the end.

How can there possibly be no second referendum when we've just had the second referendum on the EU. Do you mean there won't be a third referendum on the issue.

That is illogical.

The result of the people's vote was "leave." You now want to give parliament the right to say, " Ah, on reflection we will stay after all."

That would certainly be anti-democratic."

No. I want our democratically elected sovereign parliament to decide how we should leave, not whether we should leave.

Whilst parliament chose to make the referendum result only advisory, which means legally it is not binding on parliament, morally it can not be ignored or dismissed out of hand and, unless something fundamental changes, parliament should not, and I believe would not, go directly against the result of the referendum.

But the referendum was to leave the EU, nothing more and nothing less. Being outside of the EU can mean anything from being something like Norway (pretty much in the EU in all but name) to something like North Korea (definitely not in the EU and no trade agreement with the EU of any sort) and all points in-between. It is the duty and job of our sovereign parliament to make those decisions, not the executive (government) that has no clear mandate from the referendum other than the one to leave.

BREXIT may mean BREXIT and leave may mean leave but no mandate means no mandate and sovereign parliament means parliament alone decides.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

According to Teresa May there will be no 2nd referendum so the remainers will have to accept the result in the end.

How can there possibly be no second referendum when we've just had the second referendum on the EU. Do you mean there won't be a third referendum on the issue.

That is illogical.

The result of the people's vote was "leave." You now want to give parliament the right to say, " Ah, on reflection we will stay after all."

That would certainly be anti-democratic.

No. I want our democratically elected sovereign parliament to decide how we should leave, not whether we should leave.

BREXIT may mean BREXIT and leave may mean leave but no mandate means no mandate and sovereign parliament means parliament alone decides."

And, most importantly, it does not mean to stay.

I am happy to leave the terms of our leaving to our democratically elected body. What are you unhappy with?

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over a year ago

Cambridge

According to Teresa May there will be no 2nd referendum so the remainers will have to accept the result in the end.

How can there possibly be no second referendum when we've just had the second referendum on the EU. Do you mean there won't be a third referendum on the issue.

That is illogical.

The result of the people's vote was "leave." You now want to give parliament the right to say, " Ah, on reflection we will stay after all."

That would certainly be anti-democratic.

No. I want our democratically elected sovereign parliament to decide how we should leave, not whether we should leave.

BREXIT may mean BREXIT and leave may mean leave but no mandate means no mandate and sovereign parliament means parliament alone decides.

And, most importantly, it does not mean to stay.

I am happy to leave the terms of our leaving to our democratically elected body. What are you unhappy with?"

So you ARE happy for parliament to have a vote on say, hard or soft Brexit then?

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over a year ago

According to Teresa May there will be no 2nd referendum so the remainers will have to accept the result in the end.

How can there possibly be no second referendum when we've just had the second referendum on the EU. Do you mean there won't be a third referendum on the issue.

That is illogical.

The result of the people's vote was "leave." You now want to give parliament the right to say, " Ah, on reflection we will stay after all."

That would certainly be anti-democratic.

No. I want our democratically elected sovereign parliament to decide how we should leave, not whether we should leave.

BREXIT may mean BREXIT and leave may mean leave but no mandate means no mandate and sovereign parliament means parliament alone decides.

And, most importantly, it does not mean to stay.

I am happy to leave the terms of our leaving to our democratically elected body. What are you unhappy with?

So you ARE happy for parliament to have a vote on say, hard or soft Brexit then? "

If there were alternative options at the end of negotiations, I would be more than happy for parliament to vote on which was the best in terms of an exit, yes.

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over a year ago

Widnes

According to Teresa May there will be no 2nd referendum so the remainers will have to accept the result in the end.

How can there possibly be no second referendum when we've just had the second referendum on the EU. Do you mean there won't be a third referendum on the issue.

"We will take powers back from Brussels on your behalf and safe gard Britain's interests in the single market"

Yet another twisted plea to democracy.

The vote was to leave. Accept it. Suggesting that it is in anyway anti-democratic is plain silly."

I do accept that the vote was to leave and, whilst I don't think referendum are a particularly good or democratic tool for deciding any issue, that's not my point. My point is simple and it is this. The referendum only gives the government a mandate to leave the EU, nothing more. The only mandate the government has with regard to the single market is the one from it's manifesto, the manifesto on which it was elected, and it is a clear commitment to 'safe gard Britain's interests in the single market'. If the government is not going to do that then it needs a new mandate and that mandate should be sort from our sovereign parliament (preferably) or the public directly.

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over a year ago

Widnes

According to Teresa May there will be no 2nd referendum so the remainers will have to accept the result in the end.

How can there possibly be no second referendum when we've just had the second referendum on the EU. Do you mean there won't be a third referendum on the issue.

That is illogical.

The result of the people's vote was "leave." You now want to give parliament the right to say, " Ah, on reflection we will stay after all."

That would certainly be anti-democratic.

No. I want our democratically elected sovereign parliament to decide how we should leave, not whether we should leave.

BREXIT may mean BREXIT and leave may mean leave but no mandate means no mandate and sovereign parliament means parliament alone decides.

And, most importantly, it does not mean to stay.

I am happy to leave the terms of our leaving to our democratically elected body. What are you unhappy with?"

So am I but the executive(government) is not our democratically elected body, parliament is and in particular the commons. It is there that the nature of how we actually leave the EU should be decided, not by a government possibly pursuing policies directly in contradiction to what they said they would do in the manifesto on which they were elected.

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over a year ago

According to Teresa May there will be no 2nd referendum so the remainers will have to accept the result in the end.

How can there possibly be no second referendum when we've just had the second referendum on the EU. Do you mean there won't be a third referendum on the issue.

"We will take powers back from Brussels on your behalf and safe gard Britain's interests in the single market"

Yet another twisted plea to democracy.

The vote was to leave. Accept it. Suggesting that it is in anyway anti-democratic is plain silly.

it is safeguarding Britains interests in the single market by leaving it and trading with it under new terms. Simple

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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago

North West

According to Teresa May there will be no 2nd referendum so the remainers will have to accept the result in the end.

How can there possibly be no second referendum when we've just had the second referendum on the EU. Do you mean there won't be a third referendum on the issue.

That is illogical.

The result of the people's vote was "leave." You now want to give parliament the right to say, " Ah, on reflection we will stay after all."

That would certainly be anti-democratic.

No. I want our democratically elected sovereign parliament to decide how we should leave, not whether we should leave.

BREXIT may mean BREXIT and leave may mean leave but no mandate means no mandate and sovereign parliament means parliament alone decides.

And, most importantly, it does not mean to stay.

I am happy to leave the terms of our leaving to our democratically elected body. What are you unhappy with?

You make some strong and very well argued points

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock

Only fools would reveal their negotiating hand before the negotiations have begun, that would be a sure fire way to ensure we end up getting a bad deal in the end.

We are going to get a bad deal anyway. The only way ogf getting a good deal is to make publuic the Britisgh people's affinity for Europe and its citizens.

Dealing with the EU in a secretive and suspicious manner is absolutely opointless because:

1) They have the upper hand by default.

2) They have time on their side, the UK doesn't.

3) The UK needs a better Brexit deal more than the EU needs to give.

4) All 27 remaining EU nations have to agree the Brexit deal so playing the arse and upsetting one member would be stupid.

5) The outcome will be aligned to International norms and protocols and so will hardly be revolutionary.

There will be plenty of parliamentary debates on brexit though, there was one just yesterday. There will be countless more in the House of Commons over the next 2 and a half years. Every Wednesday at Prime ministers questions the opposition can ask questions on Brexit if they so wish (with Corbyn being completely incompetent though and a Brexiteer at heart I doubt he will and it will be left to the PLP to grill the government on Brexit, which they will have opportunity to do once questions are opened up to the house).

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over a year ago

According to Teresa May there will be no 2nd referendum so the remainers will have to accept the result in the end.

How can there possibly be no second referendum when we've just had the second referendum on the EU. Do you mean there won't be a third referendum on the issue.

That is illogical.

The result of the people's vote was "leave." You now want to give parliament the right to say, " Ah, on reflection we will stay after all."

That would certainly be anti-democratic.

No. I want our democratically elected sovereign parliament to decide how we should leave, not whether we should leave.

BREXIT may mean BREXIT and leave may mean leave but no mandate means no mandate and sovereign parliament means parliament alone decides.

And, most importantly, it does not mean to stay.

I am happy to leave the terms of our leaving to our democratically elected body. What are you unhappy with?

I am unclear what you are objecting to. If there were alternative exit options, I would be happy for parliament to vote on them. What is the problem?

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By *nleashedCrakenMan
over a year ago

Widnes

According to Teresa May there will be no 2nd referendum so the remainers will have to accept the result in the end.

How can there possibly be no second referendum when we've just had the second referendum on the EU. Do you mean there won't be a third referendum on the issue.

That is illogical.

The result of the people's vote was "leave." You now want to give parliament the right to say, " Ah, on reflection we will stay after all."

That would certainly be anti-democratic.

No. I want our democratically elected sovereign parliament to decide how we should leave, not whether we should leave.

BREXIT may mean BREXIT and leave may mean leave but no mandate means no mandate and sovereign parliament means parliament alone decides.

And, most importantly, it does not mean to stay.

I am happy to leave the terms of our leaving to our democratically elected body. What are you unhappy with?

I am unclear what you are objecting to. If there were alternative exit options, I would be happy for parliament to vote on them. What is the problem?"

The problems is is that the executive(government) is trying to by-pass parliament and not give it the right to say what the nature of our exit from the EU will actually be.

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over a year ago

According to Teresa May there will be no 2nd referendum so the remainers will have to accept the result in the end.

How can there possibly be no second referendum when we've just had the second referendum on the EU. Do you mean there won't be a third referendum on the issue.

That is illogical.

The result of the people's vote was "leave." You now want to give parliament the right to say, " Ah, on reflection we will stay after all."

That would certainly be anti-democratic.

No. I want our democratically elected sovereign parliament to decide how we should leave, not whether we should leave.

BREXIT may mean BREXIT and leave may mean leave but no mandate means no mandate and sovereign parliament means parliament alone decides.

And, most importantly, it does not mean to stay.

I am happy to leave the terms of our leaving to our democratically elected body. What are you unhappy with?

I am unclear what you are objecting to. If there were alternative exit options, I would be happy for parliament to vote on them. What is the problem?

The problems is is that the executive(government) is trying to by-pass parliament and not give it the right to say what the nature of our exit from the EU will actually be."

When we voted, we did not know the exact nature of the terms. It was not as if the EU would set out the terms, was it?

We voted to leave knowing that the precise terms would have to be negotiated. I don't see your problem.

If you voted to stay, you would not have known those terms either.

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over a year ago

With all the scaremongering and shit stirring coming from the so called "remainers" on mind, I would say civil war? Let's have it now!!

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over a year ago

refusing to accept the democratic result ? as in the outers refusing to accept that Scotland voted to stay in and is having its democratic result totally ignored , funny that

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over a year ago

refusing to accept the democratic result ? as in the outers refusing to accept that Scotland voted to stay in and is having its democratic result totally ignored , funny that "

Scotland isn't in the EU

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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago

Cambridge

refusing to accept the democratic result ? as in the outers refusing to accept that Scotland voted to stay in and is having its democratic result totally ignored , funny that

Scotland isn't in the EU"

Why do they have MEPs then?

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock

refusing to accept the democratic result ? as in the outers refusing to accept that Scotland voted to stay in and is having its democratic result totally ignored , funny that "

You know full well that Scotland voted to stay in the UK and the EU referendum was a UK wide referendum.

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By *tillup4funMan
over a year ago

Wakefield

refusing to accept the democratic result ? as in the outers refusing to accept that Scotland voted to stay in and is having its democratic result totally ignored , funny that "

Scotland voted to STAY in the UK the UK voted to LEAVE the EU so Scotland leaves too. Anyone complaining about leaving the EU is going against a democratic vote.

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By *nleashedCrakenMan
over a year ago

Widnes

refusing to accept the democratic result ? as in the outers refusing to accept that Scotland voted to stay in and is having its democratic result totally ignored , funny that

Scotland voted to STAY in the UK the UK voted to LEAVE the EU so Scotland leaves too. Anyone complaining about leaving the EU is going against a democratic vote."

So those of us who think leaving is a bad idea are just meant to shut-up and accept it. How come you leavers never did that after the first referendum which remain won by 67%. We have a right in a democratic society to campaign for what we believe is right and best for Britain, just as leave did after the first referendum. Or does democracy only apply in leavers minds up to the point where you get the result you wanted?

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By *nleashedCrakenMan
over a year ago

Widnes

refusing to accept the democratic result ? as in the outers refusing to accept that Scotland voted to stay in and is having its democratic result totally ignored , funny that

Scotland voted to STAY in the UK the UK voted to LEAVE the EU so Scotland leaves too. Anyone complaining about leaving the EU is going against a democratic vote."

It seems like you guys are not just hell bent on breaking up the EU but also hell bent on breaking up the UK to. You haven't won a massive majority to do anything, you've won a whisper majority to leave the EU. That gives the government a mandate to leave I'll grant you but if don't take into consideration what the other 48% wanted you're going to end up with a pretty disunited kingdom at best and quite possibly no United Kingdon at all.

Democracy is not about winner takes all but about finding common ground and making sure that the wishes and interests of all the people are safe guarded and protected as much as possible.

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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago

Cambridge

refusing to accept the democratic result ? as in the outers refusing to accept that Scotland voted to stay in and is having its democratic result totally ignored , funny that

Scotland voted to STAY in the UK the UK voted to LEAVE the EU so Scotland leaves too. Anyone complaining about leaving the EU is going against a democratic vote.

Democracy is not about winner takes all but about finding common ground and making sure that the wishes and interests of all the people are safe guarded and protected as much as possible."

Trying to silence the opposition and shut down debate is what tyrants and extremists do.

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock

refusing to accept the democratic result ? as in the outers refusing to accept that Scotland voted to stay in and is having its democratic result totally ignored , funny that "

Let's turn that around then, Wales and England voted to leave are you suggesting that they should have their democratic results ignored?

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By *tillup4funMan
over a year ago

Wakefield

refusing to accept the democratic result ? as in the outers refusing to accept that Scotland voted to stay in and is having its democratic result totally ignored , funny that

Scotland voted to STAY in the UK the UK voted to LEAVE the EU so Scotland leaves too. Anyone complaining about leaving the EU is going against a democratic vote.

And is that not what you are doing right now the democratic vote went against you so you are the undemocratic one now. So do two wrongs make a right then.

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By *tillup4funMan
over a year ago

Wakefield

refusing to accept the democratic result ? as in the outers refusing to accept that Scotland voted to stay in and is having its democratic result totally ignored , funny that

Scotland voted to STAY in the UK the UK voted to LEAVE the EU so Scotland leaves too. Anyone complaining about leaving the EU is going against a democratic vote.

Democracy is not about winner takes all but about finding common ground and making sure that the wishes and interests of all the people are safe guarded and protected as much as possible."

So you expect to have a say in decision the Government make. The idea of democracy is you abide by the majority vote does,nt matter if the majority is one its a majority. No one can please everyone all the time or would you rather live under a dictator and not have a say at all?

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over a year ago

refusing to accept the democratic result ? as in the outers refusing to accept that Scotland voted to stay in and is having its democratic result totally ignored , funny that

Scotland voted to STAY in the UK the UK voted to LEAVE the EU so Scotland leaves too. Anyone complaining about leaving the EU is going against a democratic vote.

Democracy is not about winner takes all but about finding common ground and making sure that the wishes and interests of all the people are safe guarded and protected as much as possible."

Erm, if the nation as a whole votes to leave, then we must leave. How do you possibly go about taking into account the views of those who voted to stay? It is one or the other.

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By *tillup4funMan
over a year ago

Wakefield

refusing to accept the democratic result ? as in the outers refusing to accept that Scotland voted to stay in and is having its democratic result totally ignored , funny that

Scotland voted to STAY in the UK the UK voted to LEAVE the EU so Scotland leaves too. Anyone complaining about leaving the EU is going against a democratic vote.

Democracy is not about winner takes all but about finding common ground and making sure that the wishes and interests of all the people are safe guarded and protected as much as possible.

Erm, if the nation as a whole votes to leave, then we must leave. How do you possibly go about taking into account the views of those who voted to stay? It is one or the other."

They did,nt get their own so the toys out of the cot I,m afraid.

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By *nleashedCrakenMan
over a year ago

Widnes

refusing to accept the democratic result ? as in the outers refusing to accept that Scotland voted to stay in and is having its democratic result totally ignored , funny that

Let's turn that around then, Wales and England voted to leave are you suggesting that they should have their democratic results ignored? "

On the actual I wouldn't mind but on the principle no. That would be the tail wagging the dog. But you also have to realise and accept that leave only won by small majority. If you really want to keep any kind of United Kingdon there is going to have to some compromise and, unless a really good argument can be made for it, a hard BREXIT is not it.

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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago

North West

refusing to accept the democratic result ? as in the outers refusing to accept that Scotland voted to stay in and is having its democratic result totally ignored , funny that

Scotland voted to STAY in the UK the UK voted to LEAVE the EU so Scotland leaves too. Anyone complaining about leaving the EU is going against a democratic vote.

Democracy is not about winner takes all but about finding common ground and making sure that the wishes and interests of all the people are safe guarded and protected as much as possible.

Erm, if the nation as a whole votes to leave, then we must leave. How do you possibly go about taking into account the views of those who voted to stay? It is one or the other."

It is called compromise. It is what happens every day in business, in government, in politics and in our day to day lives.

Mrs May is risking a fractured Britain for decades if not forever, unless she acts in a more conciliatory way - in particular towards Scotland.

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over a year ago

refusing to accept the democratic result ? as in the outers refusing to accept that Scotland voted to stay in and is having its democratic result totally ignored , funny that

Scotland voted to STAY in the UK the UK voted to LEAVE the EU so Scotland leaves too. Anyone complaining about leaving the EU is going against a democratic vote.

Democracy is not about winner takes all but about finding common ground and making sure that the wishes and interests of all the people are safe guarded and protected as much as possible.

Erm, if the nation as a whole votes to leave, then we must leave. How do you possibly go about taking into account the views of those who voted to stay? It is one or the other.

It is called compromise. It is what happens every day in business, in government, in politics and in our day to day lives.

Mrs May is risking a fractured Britain for decades if not forever, unless she acts in a more conciliatory way - in particular towards Scotland."

And how do you compromise please?

Heads or tails?

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over a year ago

North West

And how do you compromise please?

Heads or tails? "

You are a couple - possibly even a family. If you dont know how to stay together as a couple, or a family then no-one will be able to tell you.

Compromise in this case involves taking a look at the priimary motivating factors of both parties and ensuring that whilst the UK does leave the EU, the concerns of both sides of the divide are addressed in the final deal.

If we are honest - we can accept that the other side has some valid points of concern and what is needed is for both sides to get out of the trenches and work out the best deal for everyone.

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And how do you compromise please?

Heads or tails?

You are a couple - possibly even a family. If you dont know how to stay together as a couple, or a family then no-one will be able to tell you.

If we are honest - we can accept that the other side has some valid points of concern and what is needed is for both sides to get out of the trenches and work out the best deal for everyone."

That is called negotiating which is precisely what the government is doing. But if you want to remain, no deal is going to be acceptable to you, is it?

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Trying to silence the opposition and shut down debate is what tyrants and extremists do."

^^ This.

Reading the headlines of certain newspapers, you'd think we lived in North Korea.

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over a year ago

And how do you compromise please?

Heads or tails?

You are a couple - possibly even a family. If you dont know how to stay together as a couple, or a family then no-one will be able to tell you.

If we are honest - we can accept that the other side has some valid points of concern and what is needed is for both sides to get out of the trenches and work out the best deal for everyone.

That is called negotiating which is precisely what the government is doing. But if you want to remain, no deal is going to be acceptable to you, is it?"

That's a very black and white point of view. Most remainers will accept the will to leave the EU if they feel as though their concerns are being taken into consideration and being addressed.

Leave people out of it, and people will assume any chance of their concerns being discussed properly are out of the window. That feeling of isolation breeds resent and anger.

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over a year ago

North West

And how do you compromise please?

Heads or tails?

You are a couple - possibly even a family. If you dont know how to stay together as a couple, or a family then no-one will be able to tell you.

If we are honest - we can accept that the other side has some valid points of concern and what is needed is for both sides to get out of the trenches and work out the best deal for everyone.

That is called negotiating which is precisely what the government is doing. But if you want to remain, no deal is going to be acceptable to you, is it?

That's a very black and white point of view. Most remainers will accept the will to leave the EU if they feel as though their concerns are being taken into consideration and being addressed.

Leave people out of it, and people will assume any chance of their concerns being discussed properly are out of the window. That feeling of isolation breeds resent and anger. "

I only just got back to this but you have expressed my thoughts exactly.

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And how do you compromise please?

Heads or tails?

You are a couple - possibly even a family. If you dont know how to stay together as a couple, or a family then no-one will be able to tell you.

If we are honest - we can accept that the other side has some valid points of concern and what is needed is for both sides to get out of the trenches and work out the best deal for everyone.

That is called negotiating which is precisely what the government is doing. But if you want to remain, no deal is going to be acceptable to you, is it?

That's a very black and white point of view. Most remainers will accept the will to leave the EU if they feel as though their concerns are being taken into consideration and being addressed.

Leave people out of it, and people will assume any chance of their concerns being discussed properly are out of the window. That feeling of isolation breeds resent and anger. "

"Negotiation" is not a term that can be used to describe leaving people out.

If you feel isolation or anger then question why. Is it you? Is it because you disagree with the UK's vote?

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Yes really come to large parts of the West Midlands

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By *nleashedCrakenMan
over a year ago

Widnes

And how do you compromise please?

Heads or tails?

You are a couple - possibly even a family. If you dont know how to stay together as a couple, or a family then no-one will be able to tell you.

If we are honest - we can accept that the other side has some valid points of concern and what is needed is for both sides to get out of the trenches and work out the best deal for everyone.

That is called negotiating which is precisely what the government is doing. But if you want to remain, no deal is going to be acceptable to you, is it?"

That's not the case. Whilst I think we should remain the reason why i think we should remain is mostly because of the trade advantages that i believe being in the EU offers. So I might be happy with a leave solution that addressed those concerns.

We compromised when we were in the EU (not in the Euro, not in Schengen, opt outs from social charter). If there is a will on both sides a compromise can always be found. The question is, is there a will?

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over a year ago

And how do you compromise please?

Heads or tails?

You are a couple - possibly even a family. If you dont know how to stay together as a couple, or a family then no-one will be able to tell you.

If we are honest - we can accept that the other side has some valid points of concern and what is needed is for both sides to get out of the trenches and work out the best deal for everyone.

That is called negotiating which is precisely what the government is doing. But if you want to remain, no deal is going to be acceptable to you, is it?

We are not going into negotiation from a starting point of trade tariffs, are we? If we end up with tariffs or a financial contribution, that will be due to intransigence on the part of the EU.

So, yes, of course there is a will.

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over a year ago

Widnes

And how do you compromise please?

Heads or tails?

You are a couple - possibly even a family. If you dont know how to stay together as a couple, or a family then no-one will be able to tell you.

If we are honest - we can accept that the other side has some valid points of concern and what is needed is for both sides to get out of the trenches and work out the best deal for everyone.

That is called negotiating which is precisely what the government is doing. But if you want to remain, no deal is going to be acceptable to you, is it?

We are not going into negotiation from a starting point of trade tariffs, are we? If we end up with tariffs or a financial contribution, that will be due to intransigence on the part of the EU.

So, yes, of course there is a will."

Ot intransigence from the UK. And how do you know what the starting point of the negotiation is, we haven't been told yet?

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over a year ago

And how do you compromise please?

Heads or tails?

You are a couple - possibly even a family. If you dont know how to stay together as a couple, or a family then no-one will be able to tell you.

If we are honest - we can accept that the other side has some valid points of concern and what is needed is for both sides to get out of the trenches and work out the best deal for everyone.

That is called negotiating which is precisely what the government is doing. But if you want to remain, no deal is going to be acceptable to you, is it?

We are not going into negotiation from a starting point of trade tariffs, are we? If we end up with tariffs or a financial contribution, that will be due to intransigence on the part of the EU.

So, yes, of course there is a will.

Ot intransigence from the UK. And how do you know what the starting point of the negotiation is, we haven't been told yet?"

I don't think it takes a genius to guess that the starting point includes tariff-free trade.

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock

And how do you compromise please?

Heads or tails?

You are a couple - possibly even a family. If you dont know how to stay together as a couple, or a family then no-one will be able to tell you.

If we are honest - we can accept that the other side has some valid points of concern and what is needed is for both sides to get out of the trenches and work out the best deal for everyone.

That is called negotiating which is precisely what the government is doing. But if you want to remain, no deal is going to be acceptable to you, is it?

We are not going into negotiation from a starting point of trade tariffs, are we? If we end up with tariffs or a financial contribution, that will be due to intransigence on the part of the EU.

So, yes, of course there is a will.

Ot intransigence from the UK. And how do you know what the starting point of the negotiation is, we haven't been told yet?

I don't think it takes a genius to guess that the starting point includes tariff-free trade."

David Davis the Brexit secretary did make that very clear in the house of commons just 2 days ago. Britain wants to leave the EU but maintain free trade, if tariffs go up it will be the EU who decides to go down that route not us.

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over a year ago

Widnes

refusing to accept the democratic result ? as in the outers refusing to accept that Scotland voted to stay in and is having its democratic result totally ignored , funny that

Scotland voted to STAY in the UK the UK voted to LEAVE the EU so Scotland leaves too. Anyone complaining about leaving the EU is going against a democratic vote.

And is that not what you are doing right now the democratic vote went against you so you are the undemocratic one now. So do two wrongs make a right then.

I think you need to read more carefully what I said. Opposing a decision and campaigning against it is not undemocratic, it's the very essence of what real democracy is.

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By *nleashedCrakenMan
over a year ago

Widnes

refusing to accept the democratic result ? as in the outers refusing to accept that Scotland voted to stay in and is having its democratic result totally ignored , funny that

Scotland voted to STAY in the UK the UK voted to LEAVE the EU so Scotland leaves too. Anyone complaining about leaving the EU is going against a democratic vote.

Democracy is not about winner takes all but about finding common ground and making sure that the wishes and interests of all the people are safe guarded and protected as much as possible.

If I always have to agree with the majority then I have no say any how and I would be living in a dictatorship of the masses. Democracy says I don't have to agree with anyone and that I always have the right, within and under law, to speak out, campaign and make common cause with anyone in the pursuit of what i believe to right and best. I think you need to do some proper research into what is and isn't really democratic because you seem to no idea about what the concept actually means, which is seldom 'suck it in and take it'.

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By *nleashedCrakenMan
over a year ago

Widnes

And how do you compromise please?

Heads or tails?

You are a couple - possibly even a family. If you dont know how to stay together as a couple, or a family then no-one will be able to tell you.

If we are honest - we can accept that the other side has some valid points of concern and what is needed is for both sides to get out of the trenches and work out the best deal for everyone.

That is called negotiating which is precisely what the government is doing. But if you want to remain, no deal is going to be acceptable to you, is it?

We are not going into negotiation from a starting point of trade tariffs, are we? If we end up with tariffs or a financial contribution, that will be due to intransigence on the part of the EU.

So, yes, of course there is a will.

Ot intransigence from the UK. And how do you know what the starting point of the negotiation is, we haven't been told yet?

I don't think it takes a genius to guess that the starting point includes tariff-free trade."

Tariff free trade is a lot less than we currently have which totally unrestricted trade.

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock

And how do you compromise please?

Heads or tails?

You are a couple - possibly even a family. If you dont know how to stay together as a couple, or a family then no-one will be able to tell you.

If we are honest - we can accept that the other side has some valid points of concern and what is needed is for both sides to get out of the trenches and work out the best deal for everyone.

That is called negotiating which is precisely what the government is doing. But if you want to remain, no deal is going to be acceptable to you, is it?

We are not going into negotiation from a starting point of trade tariffs, are we? If we end up with tariffs or a financial contribution, that will be due to intransigence on the part of the EU.

So, yes, of course there is a will.

Ot intransigence from the UK. And how do you know what the starting point of the negotiation is, we haven't been told yet?

I don't think it takes a genius to guess that the starting point includes tariff-free trade.

Tariff free trade is a lot less than we currently have which totally unrestricted trade. "

With many shitty strings attached.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

And how do you compromise please?

Heads or tails?

You are a couple - possibly even a family. If you dont know how to stay together as a couple, or a family then no-one will be able to tell you.

If we are honest - we can accept that the other side has some valid points of concern and what is needed is for both sides to get out of the trenches and work out the best deal for everyone.

That is called negotiating which is precisely what the government is doing. But if you want to remain, no deal is going to be acceptable to you, is it?

We are not going into negotiation from a starting point of trade tariffs, are we? If we end up with tariffs or a financial contribution, that will be due to intransigence on the part of the EU.

So, yes, of course there is a will.

Ot intransigence from the UK. And how do you know what the starting point of the negotiation is, we haven't been told yet?

I don't think it takes a genius to guess that the starting point includes tariff-free trade.

Tariff free trade is a lot less than we currently have which totally unrestricted trade. "

We do not have unrestricted trade. We have trade dependent on many concessions, including our ability to make laws, govern our own country and to make trade deals outside of the EU.

Tariff-free trade without those concessions would be a massive step forward.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

And how do you compromise please?

Heads or tails?

You are a couple - possibly even a family. If you dont know how to stay together as a couple, or a family then no-one will be able to tell you.

If we are honest - we can accept that the other side has some valid points of concern and what is needed is for both sides to get out of the trenches and work out the best deal for everyone.

That is called negotiating which is precisely what the government is doing. But if you want to remain, no deal is going to be acceptable to you, is it?

We are not going into negotiation from a starting point of trade tariffs, are we? If we end up with tariffs or a financial contribution, that will be due to intransigence on the part of the EU.

So, yes, of course there is a will.

Ot intransigence from the UK. And how do you know what the starting point of the negotiation is, we haven't been told yet?

I don't think it takes a genius to guess that the starting point includes tariff-free trade.

Tariff free trade is a lot less than we currently have which totally unrestricted trade.

With many shitty strings attached. "

exactly. How the hell is it totally unrestricted trade?

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock

And how do you compromise please?

Heads or tails?

You are a couple - possibly even a family. If you dont know how to stay together as a couple, or a family then no-one will be able to tell you.

If we are honest - we can accept that the other side has some valid points of concern and what is needed is for both sides to get out of the trenches and work out the best deal for everyone.

That is called negotiating which is precisely what the government is doing. But if you want to remain, no deal is going to be acceptable to you, is it?

We are not going into negotiation from a starting point of trade tariffs, are we? If we end up with tariffs or a financial contribution, that will be due to intransigence on the part of the EU.

So, yes, of course there is a will.

Ot intransigence from the UK. And how do you know what the starting point of the negotiation is, we haven't been told yet?

I don't think it takes a genius to guess that the starting point includes tariff-free trade.

Tariff free trade is a lot less than we currently have which totally unrestricted trade.

With many shitty strings attached.

exactly. How the hell is it totally unrestricted trade?

Well it isn't exactly free trade when you have to pay a contribution fee called the EU membership fee to be in the single market. The EU membership fee is a tariff in all but name.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I think civil unrest is a distinct possibility, civil war, probably not.

Pssst, the people of the UK made up their own minds and looked beyond the lies of the remain campaign

just think yourself lucky that the wise ones of the UK had the majority vote and will allow you to exit along with them

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By *tillup4funMan
over a year ago

Wakefield

refusing to accept the democratic result ? as in the outers refusing to accept that Scotland voted to stay in and is having its democratic result totally ignored , funny that

Scotland voted to STAY in the UK the UK voted to LEAVE the EU so Scotland leaves too. Anyone complaining about leaving the EU is going against a democratic vote.

Democracy is not about winner takes all but about finding common ground and making sure that the wishes and interests of all the people are safe guarded and protected as much as possible.

Yes you have the right to speak out against the majority vote but not to over turn it so suck it in and take it.

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By *nleashedCrakenMan
over a year ago

Widnes

refusing to accept the democratic result ? as in the outers refusing to accept that Scotland voted to stay in and is having its democratic result totally ignored , funny that

Scotland voted to STAY in the UK the UK voted to LEAVE the EU so Scotland leaves too. Anyone complaining about leaving the EU is going against a democratic vote.

Democracy is not about winner takes all but about finding common ground and making sure that the wishes and interests of all the people are safe guarded and protected as much as possible.

Yes you have the right to speak out against the majority vote but not to over turn it so suck it in and take it."

Actually I do have the right to try to overturn it, just as leave had the right to campaign for 40 years to overturn the result of the first referendum. I also have the right not to just suck it in and take it and i won't be; just as leave didn't for 40 years.

I know many BREXITers would like all discussion to stop now that they have won but it won't. We will continue to point out the economic reality of what leave actually means and hold leave's feet to fire when they prove unable to deliver on the lies (£350 million a day for the NHS) they made during the campaign.

BREXITers may want to live in a post democratic society where everyone just accepts their view of the world but that's just not going to happen I'm afraid, so you better get used to still living in a democratic society were people will continue to put forward their point of views. If you don't like it then you'll just have to suck it up and take it because, in or out of the EU, democracy still goes on.

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By *tillup4funMan
over a year ago

Wakefield

refusing to accept the democratic result ? as in the outers refusing to accept that Scotland voted to stay in and is having its democratic result totally ignored , funny that

Scotland voted to STAY in the UK the UK voted to LEAVE the EU so Scotland leaves too. Anyone complaining about leaving the EU is going against a democratic vote.

Democracy is not about winner takes all but about finding common ground and making sure that the wishes and interests of all the people are safe guarded and protected as much as possible.

Yes you have the right to speak out against the majority vote but not to over turn it so suck it in and take it.

Yes but will be OUTSIDE the EU thank god.

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By *obka3Couple
over a year ago

bournemouth

You were alive at the time so you know very well the first referendum was nothing to do with the EU, it didnt exist at the time,it was a free trading block not a political entity, the UK population have never been asked until now whether we wanted to be part of that

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Had the referendum only been voted on by the indigenous population, meaning those whose ancestors built this island nation, then the leave vote would have won by a landslide.

It might come as a surprise to so called "remainers," but some of us are prepared to make sacrifices to get out of the EU.

We are all aware of the vested interests of those who desire further demise to Britain as a nation state.

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By *anes HubbyCouple
over a year ago

Babbacombe Torquay

"Had the referendum only been voted on by the indigenous population, meaning those whose ancestors built this island nation, then the leave vote would have won by a landslide.

It might come as a surprise to so called "remainers," but some of us are prepared to make sacrifices to get out of the EU.

We are all aware of the vested interests of those who desire further demise to Britain as a nation state."

You must have been gutted that people of colour were able to vote to resist leaving the EU....

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By *anes HubbyCouple
over a year ago

Babbacombe Torquay

And did the population of Britain cease to build this nation on a set date?, when exactly was this?

Was it pre 1066?

Or maybe immediately after the Industrial Revolution?

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By *nleashedCrakenMan
over a year ago

Widnes

"Had the referendum only been voted on by the indigenous population, meaning those whose ancestors built this island nation, then the leave vote would have won by a landslide.

It might come as a surprise to so called "remainers," but some of us are prepared to make sacrifices to get out of the EU.

We are all aware of the vested interests of those who desire further demise to Britain as a nation state."

Don't try and play the 'I'm a patriot, I did this for my county ' card because that's the biggest load of bullshit going. There is nothing patriotic or sacrificial about selling your own people and country out for a load of meaningless slogans and jingoistic flag waving.

In your delusional world you nay even really believe that you've done some great thing for your country but from were I'm standing, and from where a lot of other people who have risked far more than people like you would ever know, actually doing things to make this country a better and safer place to live in, your nothing more than fucking seditious traitor who's hell bent on not only the demise of the UK by creating division between the UK and the EU but between the peoples of the UK to. What you going to do next to take the great out of great Britain; Remove the vote from anyone who can't trace their ancestry further back than you?

THERE IS NOTHING BLOODY PATRIOTIC ABOUT VOTING TO MAKE EVERYONE IN THE COUNTRY POORER AND WORSE OF.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Had the referendum only been voted on by the indigenous population, meaning those whose ancestors built this island nation, then the leave vote would have won by a landslide.

It might come as a surprise to so called "remainers," but some of us are prepared to make sacrifices to get out of the EU.

We are all aware of the vested interests of those who desire further demise to Britain as a nation state.

THERE IS NOTHING BLOODY PATRIOTIC ABOUT VOTING TO MAKE EVERYONE IN THE COUNTRY POORER AND WORSE OF."

What a load of total and utter shit!

It is the likes of you that have brought this once great nation to its knees. Now you lost a referendum that you was odds on to lose, and you are bitter.

Well the sun rose again today, and you still lost, get used to it you liberal pigmies.

I care little and less how much you invested in the EU crapfest, and am lol at any losses you made. Serves you fucking right!

Oh and I am a patriot, more than you will ever be. My family tree has been tracked back to the 15th century, I belong here. I voted leave, and wept tears of joy WHEN WE WON!

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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago

Cambridge

"Indigenous people" there aren't even words to describe people like you.

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By *funtimes.Man
over a year ago

Preston

""Indigenous people" there aren't even words to describe people like you. "

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

""Indigenous people" there aren't even words to describe people like you. "

This island was built by Northern Atlantic European people, and as things stand we are still the majority.

Regardless of enforced political correctness, the brainwashing of children, and the dumbing down of society in general, there are still enough of us left to make the decision we did.

Now it is time to put the GREAT back in Great Britain!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Oh and if you must quote me get it right.

I said indigenous population, and we do exist whether you like it or not.

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By *funtimes.Man
over a year ago

Preston

1st time i agree with you. and have seen this echoed so many times

uk was once great. and will be again, its the mix of invaders (so to speak) that made uk great.

im white, burn easy and blonde, so who am i........ who cares i know at some time some place in my blood line involved a boat

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By *igsteve43Man
over a year ago

derby

"Had the referendum only been voted on by the indigenous population, meaning those whose ancestors built this island nation, then the leave vote would have won by a landslide.

It might come as a surprise to so called "remainers," but some of us are prepared to make sacrifices to get out of the EU.

We are all aware of the vested interests of those who desire further demise to Britain as a nation state.

THERE IS NOTHING BLOODY PATRIOTIC ABOUT VOTING TO MAKE EVERYONE IN THE COUNTRY POORER AND WORSE OF."

You say we will all be worse off not quite sure the thousands of business owners whose order books are now bulging as a result of brexit or the people working at them would agree with you oh and the thousands of people who get paid in dollars or euros whove effectively had a20 per cent pay rise either

IT IS YOU AND OTHERS WITH CONSTANT DOOM AND GLOOM WHO ARE REALLY CAUSING DIVISION

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It seems that everybody is entitled to a identity appart from us. Not that I begrudge other people theirs, but what about us. Why should anyone be ashamed of being White British? It was not our choice any more than anyone else, it is what we were born to be.

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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago

Cambridge

"Had the referendum only been voted on by the indigenous population, meaning those whose ancestors built this island nation, then the leave vote would have won by a landslide.

It might come as a surprise to so called "remainers," but some of us are prepared to make sacrifices to get out of the EU.

We are all aware of the vested interests of those who desire further demise to Britain as a nation state.

THERE IS NOTHING BLOODY PATRIOTIC ABOUT VOTING TO MAKE EVERYONE IN THE COUNTRY POORER AND WORSE OF.

IT IS YOU AND OTHERS WITH CONSTANT DOOM AND GLOOM WHO ARE REALLY CAUSING DIVISION"

We live in the UK and get paid in £! You didn’t give anyone a 20% pay rise, you gave everyone a 20% pay cut!

Serious what is wrong with you people?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Had the referendum only been voted on by the indigenous population, meaning those whose ancestors built this island nation, then the leave vote would have won by a landslide.

It might come as a surprise to so called "remainers," but some of us are prepared to make sacrifices to get out of the EU.

We are all aware of the vested interests of those who desire further demise to Britain as a nation state.

THERE IS NOTHING BLOODY PATRIOTIC ABOUT VOTING TO MAKE EVERYONE IN THE COUNTRY POORER AND WORSE OF.

IT IS YOU AND OTHERS WITH CONSTANT DOOM AND GLOOM WHO ARE REALLY CAUSING DIVISION

We live in the UK and get paid in £! You didn’t give anyone a 20% pay rise, you gave everyone a 20% pay cut!

Serious what is wrong with you people? "

OK, so who got a pay cut, I see the general public every day in my job. Rich, poor, public sector and private. I talk to them all the time, and NOT ONE has mentioned a pay cut. We still take as much money as we did pre referendum. Petrol went up, but that was because OPEC put the price of crude oil up.

Are you making things up? Naughty!

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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago

Cambridge

"Had the referendum only been voted on by the indigenous population, meaning those whose ancestors built this island nation, then the leave vote would have won by a landslide.

It might come as a surprise to so called "remainers," but some of us are prepared to make sacrifices to get out of the EU.

We are all aware of the vested interests of those who desire further demise to Britain as a nation state.

THERE IS NOTHING BLOODY PATRIOTIC ABOUT VOTING TO MAKE EVERYONE IN THE COUNTRY POORER AND WORSE OF.

IT IS YOU AND OTHERS WITH CONSTANT DOOM AND GLOOM WHO ARE REALLY CAUSING DIVISION

We live in the UK and get paid in £! You didn’t give anyone a 20% pay rise, you gave everyone a 20% pay cut!

Serious what is wrong with you people?

Are you making things up? Naughty!"

I was talking to a Chinese student just yesterday who sends some of her wages back to China, she was saying that its now worth twenty percent less, so her for a start. There are lots of people who send or spend money abroad, wether that is a retirement or holiday home, financial investment, trading, supporting friends and families, their money doesn’t go as far as it used to.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Had the referendum only been voted on by the indigenous population, meaning those whose ancestors built this island nation, then the leave vote would have won by a landslide.

It might come as a surprise to so called "remainers," but some of us are prepared to make sacrifices to get out of the EU.

We are all aware of the vested interests of those who desire further demise to Britain as a nation state.

THERE IS NOTHING BLOODY PATRIOTIC ABOUT VOTING TO MAKE EVERYONE IN THE COUNTRY POORER AND WORSE OF.

IT IS YOU AND OTHERS WITH CONSTANT DOOM AND GLOOM WHO ARE REALLY CAUSING DIVISION

We live in the UK and get paid in £! You didn’t give anyone a 20% pay rise, you gave everyone a 20% pay cut!

Serious what is wrong with you people?

Are you making things up? Naughty!

So the money that an immigrant is sending home is worth 20% less, and I'm supposed to give a shit?

Actually I do, I think it is hilarious!!

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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago

Cambridge

"Had the referendum only been voted on by the indigenous population, meaning those whose ancestors built this island nation, then the leave vote would have won by a landslide.

It might come as a surprise to so called "remainers," but some of us are prepared to make sacrifices to get out of the EU.

We are all aware of the vested interests of those who desire further demise to Britain as a nation state.

THERE IS NOTHING BLOODY PATRIOTIC ABOUT VOTING TO MAKE EVERYONE IN THE COUNTRY POORER AND WORSE OF.

IT IS YOU AND OTHERS WITH CONSTANT DOOM AND GLOOM WHO ARE REALLY CAUSING DIVISION

We live in the UK and get paid in £! You didn’t give anyone a 20% pay rise, you gave everyone a 20% pay cut!

Serious what is wrong with you people?

Are you making things up? Naughty!

So the money that an immigrant is sending home is worth 20% less, and I'm supposed to give a shit?

Actually I do, I think it is hilarious!!"

Well I wouldn’t expect a racist like you to give a shit about anyone.

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By *igsteve43Man
over a year ago

derby

"Had the referendum only been voted on by the indigenous population, meaning those whose ancestors built this island nation, then the leave vote would have won by a landslide.

It might come as a surprise to so called "remainers," but some of us are prepared to make sacrifices to get out of the EU.

We are all aware of the vested interests of those who desire further demise to Britain as a nation state.

THERE IS NOTHING BLOODY PATRIOTIC ABOUT VOTING TO MAKE EVERYONE IN THE COUNTRY POORER AND WORSE OF.

IT IS YOU AND OTHERS WITH CONSTANT DOOM AND GLOOM WHO ARE REALLY CAUSING DIVISION

We live in the UK and get paid in £! You didn’t give anyone a 20% pay rise, you gave everyone a 20% pay cut!

Serious what is wrong with you people?

Are you making things up? Naughty!

Surely the chinese student came to study not work and send money home but their is the flip side to that argument all the brits working abroad like my sister who gets paid in euros but into her uk account so is now getting more but the point is though you like to think everyone is worse off their are a lot of people better off and at the moment us mere mortals have noticed no difference whatsoever

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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago

North West

""Indigenous people" there aren't even words to describe people like you. "

Indeed

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over a year ago

"Had the referendum only been voted on by the indigenous population, meaning those whose ancestors built this island nation, then the leave vote would have won by a landslide.

It might come as a surprise to so called "remainers," but some of us are prepared to make sacrifices to get out of the EU.

We are all aware of the vested interests of those who desire further demise to Britain as a nation state.

THERE IS NOTHING BLOODY PATRIOTIC ABOUT VOTING TO MAKE EVERYONE IN THE COUNTRY POORER AND WORSE OF."

True, which is why the majority voted to leave

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By *tillup4funMan
over a year ago

Wakefield

"Had the referendum only been voted on by the indigenous population, meaning those whose ancestors built this island nation, then the leave vote would have won by a landslide.

It might come as a surprise to so called "remainers," but some of us are prepared to make sacrifices to get out of the EU.

We are all aware of the vested interests of those who desire further demise to Britain as a nation state.

THERE IS NOTHING BLOODY PATRIOTIC ABOUT VOTING TO MAKE EVERYONE IN THE COUNTRY POORER AND WORSE OF.

IT IS YOU AND OTHERS WITH CONSTANT DOOM AND GLOOM WHO ARE REALLY CAUSING DIVISION

We live in the UK and get paid in £! You didn’t give anyone a 20% pay rise, you gave everyone a 20% pay cut!

Serious what is wrong with you people?

Are you making things up? Naughty!

So the money that an immigrant is sending home is worth 20% less, and I'm supposed to give a shit?

Actually I do, I think it is hilarious!!"

They should be spending that money here not sending abroad supporting the UK economy not another countries.

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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago

North West

""Indigenous people" there aren't even words to describe people like you. "

Indeed

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock

"Had the referendum only been voted on by the indigenous population, meaning those whose ancestors built this island nation, then the leave vote would have won by a landslide.

It might come as a surprise to so called "remainers," but some of us are prepared to make sacrifices to get out of the EU.

We are all aware of the vested interests of those who desire further demise to Britain as a nation state.

You must have been gutted that people of colour were able to vote to resist leaving the EU...."

There was a very patriotic and vocal and enthusiastic Brexit supporter on BBC Question Time in the audience last night, he was as you put it 'a person of colour' and he voted leave, hell he even had an afro hairstyle (shock, horror).

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By *anes HubbyCouple
over a year ago

Babbacombe Torquay

"Had the referendum only been voted on by the indigenous population, meaning those whose ancestors built this island nation, then the leave vote would have won by a landslide.

It might come as a surprise to so called "remainers," but some of us are prepared to make sacrifices to get out of the EU.

We are all aware of the vested interests of those who desire further demise to Britain as a nation state.

THERE IS NOTHING BLOODY PATRIOTIC ABOUT VOTING TO MAKE EVERYONE IN THE COUNTRY POORER AND WORSE OF.

IT IS YOU AND OTHERS WITH CONSTANT DOOM AND GLOOM WHO ARE REALLY CAUSING DIVISION

We live in the UK and get paid in £! You didn’t give anyone a 20% pay rise, you gave everyone a 20% pay cut!

Serious what is wrong with you people?

Are you making things up? Naughty!

So the money that an immigrant is sending home is worth 20% less, and I'm supposed to give a shit?

Actually I do, I think it is hilarious!!

They should be spending that money here not sending abroad supporting the UK economy not another countries."

You earn your money, you spend it the way you want, where you want.....I'm taking it you never take an overseas Holiday?

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By *anes HubbyCouple
over a year ago

Babbacombe Torquay

"Had the referendum only been voted on by the indigenous population, meaning those whose ancestors built this island nation, then the leave vote would have won by a landslide.

It might come as a surprise to so called "remainers," but some of us are prepared to make sacrifices to get out of the EU.

We are all aware of the vested interests of those who desire further demise to Britain as a nation state.

You must have been gutted that people of colour were able to vote to resist leaving the EU....

You know damn well what I meant.....or do you just go along with anything that a 'leaver' says....regardless of how offensive it may be to others?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

did we not have a major recession in 2008... when we were in the EU? i didnt see Brussels rushing to our aid then...

and as for the pound falling? well thats good as our export goods become more attractive with a weak pound as they will be more valuable than more expensive priced equivalents elsewhere, If that means that we can finally start investing in our manufacturing sector, which has needed a boost for years then im all for it

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By *tillup4funMan
over a year ago

Wakefield

"Had the referendum only been voted on by the indigenous population, meaning those whose ancestors built this island nation, then the leave vote would have won by a landslide.

It might come as a surprise to so called "remainers," but some of us are prepared to make sacrifices to get out of the EU.

We are all aware of the vested interests of those who desire further demise to Britain as a nation state.

THERE IS NOTHING BLOODY PATRIOTIC ABOUT VOTING TO MAKE EVERYONE IN THE COUNTRY POORER AND WORSE OF.

IT IS YOU AND OTHERS WITH CONSTANT DOOM AND GLOOM WHO ARE REALLY CAUSING DIVISION

We live in the UK and get paid in £! You didn’t give anyone a 20% pay rise, you gave everyone a 20% pay cut!

Serious what is wrong with you people?

Are you making things up? Naughty!

So the money that an immigrant is sending home is worth 20% less, and I'm supposed to give a shit?

Actually I do, I think it is hilarious!!

They should be spending that money here not sending abroad supporting the UK economy not another countries.

You earn your money, you spend it the way you want, where you want.....I'm taking it you never take an overseas Holiday?"

Actually no I don't I have pets and support this countries holiday spots where dogs are allowed.

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By *funtimes.Man
over a year ago

Preston

"Had the referendum only been voted on by the indigenous population, meaning those whose ancestors built this island nation, then the leave vote would have won by a landslide.

It might come as a surprise to so called "remainers," but some of us are prepared to make sacrifices to get out of the EU.

We are all aware of the vested interests of those who desire further demise to Britain as a nation state.

THERE IS NOTHING BLOODY PATRIOTIC ABOUT VOTING TO MAKE EVERYONE IN THE COUNTRY POORER AND WORSE OF.

IT IS YOU AND OTHERS WITH CONSTANT DOOM AND GLOOM WHO ARE REALLY CAUSING DIVISION

We live in the UK and get paid in £! You didn’t give anyone a 20% pay rise, you gave everyone a 20% pay cut!

Serious what is wrong with you people?

Are you making things up? Naughty!

So the money that an immigrant is sending home is worth 20% less, and I'm supposed to give a shit?

Actually I do, I think it is hilarious!!

Well I wouldn’t expect a racist like you to give a shit about anyone."

see now back to disagree, i see no racist remark in what he as said, labels caused brexit and that is something that needs to be talked about. the same labels that helped brexit for wrong reasons

its not racist to talk about indigenous, its history, good or bad. and labels stop debate, no debate is were we are now

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By *anes HubbyCouple
over a year ago

Babbacombe Torquay

""Indigenous people" there aren't even words to describe people like you.

This island was built by Northern Atlantic European people, and as things stand we are still the majority.

Regardless of enforced political correctness, the brainwashing of children, and the dumbing down of society in general, there are still enough of us left to make the decision we did.

Now it is time to put the GREAT back in Great Britain!"

I didn't need to brainwash my children to teach them how to recognise a a bigot when they see one.....

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock

"Had the referendum only been voted on by the indigenous population, meaning those whose ancestors built this island nation, then the leave vote would have won by a landslide.

It might come as a surprise to so called "remainers," but some of us are prepared to make sacrifices to get out of the EU.

We are all aware of the vested interests of those who desire further demise to Britain as a nation state.

You must have been gutted that people of colour were able to vote to resist leaving the EU....

You know damn well what I meant.....or do you just go along with anything that a 'leaver' says....regardless of how offensive it may be to others?

I'll happily go along with what 'people of colour' like MP Priti Patel have to say regarding Brexit. Immigrants too like MP Gisela Stuart if they are for leaving the EU. The point is some immigrants supported Remain and some immigrants supported Leave. Some people of colour supported Remain and some people of colour supported Leave.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Had the referendum only been voted on by the indigenous population, meaning those whose ancestors built this island nation, then the leave vote would have won by a landslide.

It might come as a surprise to so called "remainers," but some of us are prepared to make sacrifices to get out of the EU.

We are all aware of the vested interests of those who desire further demise to Britain as a nation state.

THERE IS NOTHING BLOODY PATRIOTIC ABOUT VOTING TO MAKE EVERYONE IN THE COUNTRY POORER AND WORSE OF.

IT IS YOU AND OTHERS WITH CONSTANT DOOM AND GLOOM WHO ARE REALLY CAUSING DIVISION

We live in the UK and get paid in £! You didn’t give anyone a 20% pay rise, you gave everyone a 20% pay cut!

Serious what is wrong with you people?

Are you making things up? Naughty!

So the money that an immigrant is sending home is worth 20% less, and I'm supposed to give a shit?

Actually I do, I think it is hilarious!!

Well I wouldn’t expect a racist like you to give a shit about anyone."

And out comes the race card, well done you!

Still don't give a shit!

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By *tillup4funMan
over a year ago

Wakefield

""Indigenous people" there aren't even words to describe people like you.

This island was built by Northern Atlantic European people, and as things stand we are still the majority.

Regardless of enforced political correctness, the brainwashing of children, and the dumbing down of society in general, there are still enough of us left to make the decision we did.

Now it is time to put the GREAT back in Great Britain!

I didn't need to brainwash my children to teach them how to recognise a a bigot when they see one....."

And you think remarks like that help?

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By *funtimes.Man
over a year ago

Preston

"Had the referendum only been voted on by the indigenous population, meaning those whose ancestors built this island nation, then the leave vote would have won by a landslide.

It might come as a surprise to so called "remainers," but some of us are prepared to make sacrifices to get out of the EU.

We are all aware of the vested interests of those who desire further demise to Britain as a nation state.

You must have been gutted that people of colour were able to vote to resist leaving the EU....

You know damn well what I meant.....or do you just go along with anything that a 'leaver' says....regardless of how offensive it may be to others?

shock horror hey, im from oldham and half my m8s are asian, they all voted leave. labels have to stop

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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago

North West

This thread seems to have gone a bit nasty.

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By *funtimes.Man
over a year ago

Preston

""Indigenous people" there aren't even words to describe people like you.

This island was built by Northern Atlantic European people, and as things stand we are still the majority.

Regardless of enforced political correctness, the brainwashing of children, and the dumbing down of society in general, there are still enough of us left to make the decision we did.

Now it is time to put the GREAT back in Great Britain!

I didn't need to brainwash my children to teach them how to recognise a a bigot when they see one....."

Bigot a person who is intolerant towards those holding different opinions.

labels, 1 could stick on you

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By *funtimes.Man
over a year ago

Preston

"This thread seems to have gone a bit nasty."

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By *tillup4funMan
over a year ago

Wakefield

""Indigenous people" there aren't even words to describe people like you.

This island was built by Northern Atlantic European people, and as things stand we are still the majority.

Regardless of enforced political correctness, the brainwashing of children, and the dumbing down of society in general, there are still enough of us left to make the decision we did.

Now it is time to put the GREAT back in Great Britain!

I didn't need to brainwash my children to teach them how to recognise a a bigot when they see one.....

Bigot a person who is intolerant towards those holding different opinions.

labels, 1 could stick on you"

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By *funtimes.Man
over a year ago

Preston

"This thread seems to have gone a bit nasty."

agree. thats why the world is fucked

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"This thread seems to have gone a bit nasty."

What did you expect when the people who won a totally democratic referendum are being called idiots and losers by people who have a vested interest in the downfall of our nation?

Yes some of us have an attitude that is non PC, that is because we care about the future, not just for ourselves but also out children and their children. I'm forever hearing people saying they don't care what happens after they are dead, this is selfish and disgusting.

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By *awandOrderCouple
over a year ago

SW London

"It seems that everybody is entitled to a identity appart from us. Not that I begrudge other people theirs, but what about us. Why should anyone be ashamed of being White British? It was not our choice any more than anyone else, it is what we were born to be."

I am white Britt dh, but there is a certain type of white British attitude I am appalled by. It is nothing to be proud of, it is not part of British values and it is nothing great! Great Britain has links all around the world and the whole society is interwoven with immigrants and has been. It's nothing about being dumbed down or politically correct, it is about certain 'white British' being too closed off and feeling too threatened by the 'others'. It is based on ignorance and fear and not on a respect for people.

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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago

Cambridge

"Had the referendum only been voted on by the indigenous population, meaning those whose ancestors built this island nation, then the leave vote would have won by a landslide.

It might come as a surprise to so called "remainers," but some of us are prepared to make sacrifices to get out of the EU.

We are all aware of the vested interests of those who desire further demise to Britain as a nation state.

THERE IS NOTHING BLOODY PATRIOTIC ABOUT VOTING TO MAKE EVERYONE IN THE COUNTRY POORER AND WORSE OF.

IT IS YOU AND OTHERS WITH CONSTANT DOOM AND GLOOM WHO ARE REALLY CAUSING DIVISION

We live in the UK and get paid in £! You didn’t give anyone a 20% pay rise, you gave everyone a 20% pay cut!

Serious what is wrong with you people?

Are you making things up? Naughty!

So the money that an immigrant is sending home is worth 20% less, and I'm supposed to give a shit?

Actually I do, I think it is hilarious!!

Well I wouldn’t expect a racist like you to give a shit about anyone.

see now back to disagree, i see no racist remark in what he as said, labels caused brexit and that is something that needs to be talked about. the same labels that helped brexit for wrong reasons

its not racist to talk about indigenous, its history, good or bad. and labels stop debate, no debate is were we are now "

My wife is a British citizen, but shouldn't be able to vote according to the person that I quoted because she is not "indigenous". That is racist. You are worried about my words stopping the debate, but you are not worried about the person quoted taking away the rights of British citizens to vote. I think your priorities are a little messed up.

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By *funtimes.Man
over a year ago

Preston

history is lost on some, but than current reality is lost on others

we see what we want to see, live how we want. and thats thanks to the values our history have left us.

sad world at times. other times its amazing, but never in history as the whole world been stable for cultures to live together, but labels chucked so easy

1 day we will all get on, but it could be our last

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Well from a personal point of view, I'm neither ignorant or threatened. I just don't think that immigrants should have a say in the future of this country.

Other countries would not put up with us if we tried to settle their and change their way of life, try being a Christian in Pakistan and then ask your employer for a Christmas holiday.

We have been too soft for too long, it has to stop and one day I predict, it will.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Had the referendum only been voted on by the indigenous population, meaning those whose ancestors built this island nation, then the leave vote would have won by a landslide.

It might come as a surprise to so called "remainers," but some of us are prepared to make sacrifices to get out of the EU.

We are all aware of the vested interests of those who desire further demise to Britain as a nation state.

THERE IS NOTHING BLOODY PATRIOTIC ABOUT VOTING TO MAKE EVERYONE IN THE COUNTRY POORER AND WORSE OF.

IT IS YOU AND OTHERS WITH CONSTANT DOOM AND GLOOM WHO ARE REALLY CAUSING DIVISION

We live in the UK and get paid in £! You didn’t give anyone a 20% pay rise, you gave everyone a 20% pay cut!

Serious what is wrong with you people?

Are you making things up? Naughty!

So the money that an immigrant is sending home is worth 20% less, and I'm supposed to give a shit?

Actually I do, I think it is hilarious!!

Well I wouldn’t expect a racist like you to give a shit about anyone.

see now back to disagree, i see no racist remark in what he as said, labels caused brexit and that is something that needs to be talked about. the same labels that helped brexit for wrong reasons

its not racist to talk about indigenous, its history, good or bad. and labels stop debate, no debate is were we are now

Thus the reason for just about every post you make here, your wife is an immigrant...

I see insecurity in every post, tough!

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By *funtimes.Man
over a year ago

Preston

"Had the referendum only been voted on by the indigenous population, meaning those whose ancestors built this island nation, then the leave vote would have won by a landslide.

It might come as a surprise to so called "remainers," but some of us are prepared to make sacrifices to get out of the EU.

We are all aware of the vested interests of those who desire further demise to Britain as a nation state.

THERE IS NOTHING BLOODY PATRIOTIC ABOUT VOTING TO MAKE EVERYONE IN THE COUNTRY POORER AND WORSE OF.

IT IS YOU AND OTHERS WITH CONSTANT DOOM AND GLOOM WHO ARE REALLY CAUSING DIVISION

We live in the UK and get paid in £! You didn’t give anyone a 20% pay rise, you gave everyone a 20% pay cut!

Serious what is wrong with you people?

Are you making things up? Naughty!

So the money that an immigrant is sending home is worth 20% less, and I'm supposed to give a shit?

Actually I do, I think it is hilarious!!

Well I wouldn’t expect a racist like you to give a shit about anyone.

see now back to disagree, i see no racist remark in what he as said, labels caused brexit and that is something that needs to be talked about. the same labels that helped brexit for wrong reasons

its not racist to talk about indigenous, its history, good or bad. and labels stop debate, no debate is were we are now

my ex is south korean, 5 years got nothing to do with it?

point is what he is saying can not be linked to racist. thats whats causing the divide, debate the issue and you could both learn something from each other. like i said what im i? i accept a boat was involved!

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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago

Cambridge

"Had the referendum only been voted on by the indigenous population, meaning those whose ancestors built this island nation, then the leave vote would have won by a landslide.

It might come as a surprise to so called "remainers," but some of us are prepared to make sacrifices to get out of the EU.

We are all aware of the vested interests of those who desire further demise to Britain as a nation state.

THERE IS NOTHING BLOODY PATRIOTIC ABOUT VOTING TO MAKE EVERYONE IN THE COUNTRY POORER AND WORSE OF.

IT IS YOU AND OTHERS WITH CONSTANT DOOM AND GLOOM WHO ARE REALLY CAUSING DIVISION

We live in the UK and get paid in £! You didn’t give anyone a 20% pay rise, you gave everyone a 20% pay cut!

Serious what is wrong with you people?

Are you making things up? Naughty!

So the money that an immigrant is sending home is worth 20% less, and I'm supposed to give a shit?

Actually I do, I think it is hilarious!!

Well I wouldn’t expect a racist like you to give a shit about anyone.

see now back to disagree, i see no racist remark in what he as said, labels caused brexit and that is something that needs to be talked about. the same labels that helped brexit for wrong reasons

its not racist to talk about indigenous, its history, good or bad. and labels stop debate, no debate is were we are now

Thus the reason for just about every post you make here, your wife is an immigrant...

I see insecurity in every post, tough!"

How would that make me insecure?

You are the one who seems to be insecure, worried that foreigners are stealing your "greatness"

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By *awandOrderCouple
over a year ago

SW London

Well from a personal point of view, I'm neither ignorant or threatened. I just don't think that immigrants should have a say in the future of this country.

Other countries would not put up with us if we tried to settle their and change their way of life, try being a Christian in Pakistan and then ask your employer for a Christmas holiday.

We have been too soft for too long, it has to stop and one day I predict, it will. "

Who are you to say we have been too soft or not? What makes you the authority on Britishness and what British people want. Many, many white British people voted to remain. Do Ys think only those born in Britain should have a say on anything? Or those with a couple of generations behind them? I dont think many countries run it like that, seriously, do they? Funny how certain countries, Muslim usually, so a veiled dig there, are given as examples, but plenty of what you would see as 'civilised' Christian countries do allow those who live there to vote on their future. So, Brits abroad who have deserted us, they shouldn't vote either? Because why would they have any interest in Britain's future?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Had the referendum only been voted on by the indigenous population, meaning those whose ancestors built this island nation, then the leave vote would have won by a landslide.

It might come as a surprise to so called "remainers," but some of us are prepared to make sacrifices to get out of the EU.

We are all aware of the vested interests of those who desire further demise to Britain as a nation state.

THERE IS NOTHING BLOODY PATRIOTIC ABOUT VOTING TO MAKE EVERYONE IN THE COUNTRY POORER AND WORSE OF.

IT IS YOU AND OTHERS WITH CONSTANT DOOM AND GLOOM WHO ARE REALLY CAUSING DIVISION

We live in the UK and get paid in £! You didn’t give anyone a 20% pay rise, you gave everyone a 20% pay cut!

Serious what is wrong with you people?

Are you making things up? Naughty!

So the money that an immigrant is sending home is worth 20% less, and I'm supposed to give a shit?

Actually I do, I think it is hilarious!!

Well I wouldn’t expect a racist like you to give a shit about anyone.

see now back to disagree, i see no racist remark in what he as said, labels caused brexit and that is something that needs to be talked about. the same labels that helped brexit for wrong reasons

its not racist to talk about indigenous, its history, good or bad. and labels stop debate, no debate is were we are now

Thus the reason for just about every post you make here, your wife is an immigrant...

I see insecurity in every post, tough!

How would that make me insecure?

You are the one who seems to be insecure, worried that foreigners are stealing your "greatness" "

I have no "greatness," but I have ancestors who do, not that I am going to grace this place with their names.

China is a great nation, and the Chinese a great people. But so is Britain and so are the British.

Also nobody is going to take anything from me by buying a wife.

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By *funtimes.Man
over a year ago

Preston

"Had the referendum only been voted on by the indigenous population, meaning those whose ancestors built this island nation, then the leave vote would have won by a landslide.

It might come as a surprise to so called "remainers," but some of us are prepared to make sacrifices to get out of the EU.

We are all aware of the vested interests of those who desire further demise to Britain as a nation state.

THERE IS NOTHING BLOODY PATRIOTIC ABOUT VOTING TO MAKE EVERYONE IN THE COUNTRY POORER AND WORSE OF.

IT IS YOU AND OTHERS WITH CONSTANT DOOM AND GLOOM WHO ARE REALLY CAUSING DIVISION

We live in the UK and get paid in £! You didn’t give anyone a 20% pay rise, you gave everyone a 20% pay cut!

Serious what is wrong with you people?

Are you making things up? Naughty!

So the money that an immigrant is sending home is worth 20% less, and I'm supposed to give a shit?

Actually I do, I think it is hilarious!!

Well I wouldn’t expect a racist like you to give a shit about anyone.

see now back to disagree, i see no racist remark in what he as said, labels caused brexit and that is something that needs to be talked about. the same labels that helped brexit for wrong reasons

its not racist to talk about indigenous, its history, good or bad. and labels stop debate, no debate is were we are now

Thus the reason for just about every post you make here, your wife is an immigrant...

I see insecurity in every post, tough!

How would that make me insecure?

You are the one who seems to be insecure, worried that foreigners are stealing your "greatness" "

like said, UK only became great when was invaded and mixed, it take the best of all invaders and took on the world. right or wrong thats hostory

history repeats its self so i say bring it on, im happy being part of a like my ex said, the mongral race. after all she came here at cost of 60k a year to study. we can't be that bad

the world is small now thanks to UK. ships and jets made us united, shame most the world not ready for it in our life times. if u to me be no boarders, no trade shit, just honest people doing deals making life simple

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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago

North West

Well from a personal point of view, I'm neither ignorant or threatened. I just don't think that immigrants should have a say in the future of this country.

Other countries would not put up with us if we tried to settle their and change their way of life, try being a Christian in Pakistan and then ask your employer for a Christmas holiday.

We have been too soft for too long, it has to stop and one day I predict, it will. "

Where does your argument lead to though?

Just think it through and apply some logic. Where do you draw the line? If you live in this country it almost inevitable that your DNA is made up of German, French and Nordic strands. Romans of course still have a urge legacy in our DNA and over the last few hundred years we have had immigration related to slavery, wars and other world catastrophe's. There really is no such thing as "pure white indigenous English."

Notwithstanding this, nature also does not support your point of view. Humans are not genetically programmed to breed with like for like and this is why all of our DNA is so interwoven. Where wouould you draw the line for example with Nigel Farage and his wife? His wife is clearly not indigenous but presumably she is now a UK passport holder. What rights do you appropriate to her

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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago

North West

"Had the referendum only been voted on by the indigenous population, meaning those whose ancestors built this island nation, then the leave vote would have won by a landslide.

It might come as a surprise to so called "remainers," but some of us are prepared to make sacrifices to get out of the EU.

We are all aware of the vested interests of those who desire further demise to Britain as a nation state.

THERE IS NOTHING BLOODY PATRIOTIC ABOUT VOTING TO MAKE EVERYONE IN THE COUNTRY POORER AND WORSE OF.

IT IS YOU AND OTHERS WITH CONSTANT DOOM AND GLOOM WHO ARE REALLY CAUSING DIVISION

We live in the UK and get paid in £! You didn’t give anyone a 20% pay rise, you gave everyone a 20% pay cut!

Serious what is wrong with you people?

Are you making things up? Naughty!

So the money that an immigrant is sending home is worth 20% less, and I'm supposed to give a shit?

Actually I do, I think it is hilarious!!

Well I wouldn’t expect a racist like you to give a shit about anyone.

see now back to disagree, i see no racist remark in what he as said, labels caused brexit and that is something that needs to be talked about. the same labels that helped brexit for wrong reasons

its not racist to talk about indigenous, its history, good or bad. and labels stop debate, no debate is were we are now

Thus the reason for just about every post you make here, your wife is an immigrant...

I see insecurity in every post, tough!

How would that make me insecure?

You are the one who seems to be insecure, worried that foreigners are stealing your "greatness"

I have no "greatness," but I have ancestors who do, not that I am going to grace this place with their names.

China is a great nation, and the Chinese a great people. But so is Britain and so are the British.

Also nobody is going to take anything from me by buying a wife."

You are well out of order with that comment. You should be ashamed of yourself.

One of the greatest attributes of being British is tolerance.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Had the referendum only been voted on by the indigenous population, meaning those whose ancestors built this island nation, then the leave vote would have won by a landslide.

It might come as a surprise to so called "remainers," but some of us are prepared to make sacrifices to get out of the EU.

We are all aware of the vested interests of those who desire further demise to Britain as a nation state.

THERE IS NOTHING BLOODY PATRIOTIC ABOUT VOTING TO MAKE EVERYONE IN THE COUNTRY POORER AND WORSE OF.

IT IS YOU AND OTHERS WITH CONSTANT DOOM AND GLOOM WHO ARE REALLY CAUSING DIVISION

We live in the UK and get paid in £! You didn’t give anyone a 20% pay rise, you gave everyone a 20% pay cut!

Serious what is wrong with you people?

Are you making things up? Naughty!

So the money that an immigrant is sending home is worth 20% less, and I'm supposed to give a shit?

Actually I do, I think it is hilarious!!

Well I wouldn’t expect a racist like you to give a shit about anyone.

see now back to disagree, i see no racist remark in what he as said, labels caused brexit and that is something that needs to be talked about. the same labels that helped brexit for wrong reasons

its not racist to talk about indigenous, its history, good or bad. and labels stop debate, no debate is were we are now

Thus the reason for just about every post you make here, your wife is an immigrant...

I see insecurity in every post, tough!

How would that make me insecure?

You are the one who seems to be insecure, worried that foreigners are stealing your "greatness"

like said, UK only became great when was invaded and mixed, it take the best of all invaders and took on the world. right or wrong thats hostory

history repeats its self so i say bring it on, im happy being part of a like my ex said, the mongral race. after all she came here at cost of 60k a year to study. we can't be that bad

All the nations of real Europe (meaning long before EU) were invading one another in ancient times. But, that was just Europeans mixing with other Europeans. What is happening now is different.

I believe that all the races in the world are under threat, and all deserve to be saved. But the forces of darkness will not allow it.

When, eventually, the entire population of the world is a coffee coloured mess, they will have total control.

The word "them," for those too stupid to understand, is used in reference to the politicians and wealthy business owners.

We are, after all, just here to make them even more wealthy.

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By *funtimes.Man
over a year ago

Preston

"Had the referendum only been voted on by the indigenous population, meaning those whose ancestors built this island nation, then the leave vote would have won by a landslide.

It might come as a surprise to so called "remainers," but some of us are prepared to make sacrifices to get out of the EU.

We are all aware of the vested interests of those who desire further demise to Britain as a nation state.

THERE IS NOTHING BLOODY PATRIOTIC ABOUT VOTING TO MAKE EVERYONE IN THE COUNTRY POORER AND WORSE OF.

IT IS YOU AND OTHERS WITH CONSTANT DOOM AND GLOOM WHO ARE REALLY CAUSING DIVISION

We live in the UK and get paid in £! You didn’t give anyone a 20% pay rise, you gave everyone a 20% pay cut!

Serious what is wrong with you people?

Are you making things up? Naughty!

So the money that an immigrant is sending home is worth 20% less, and I'm supposed to give a shit?

Actually I do, I think it is hilarious!!

Well I wouldn’t expect a racist like you to give a shit about anyone.

see now back to disagree, i see no racist remark in what he as said, labels caused brexit and that is something that needs to be talked about. the same labels that helped brexit for wrong reasons

its not racist to talk about indigenous, its history, good or bad. and labels stop debate, no debate is were we are now

Thus the reason for just about every post you make here, your wife is an immigrant...

I see insecurity in every post, tough!

How would that make me insecure?

You are the one who seems to be insecure, worried that foreigners are stealing your "greatness"

I have no "greatness," but I have ancestors who do, not that I am going to grace this place with their names.

China is a great nation, and the Chinese a great people. But so is Britain and so are the British.

Also nobody is going to take anything from me by buying a wife.

You are well out of order with that comment. You should be ashamed of yourself.

One of the greatest attributes of being British is tolerance."

if got quid amount of times some dick head who never left Europe said to me out with south korean girl, cheack you out with your thai bride

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By *funtimes.Man
over a year ago

Preston

"Had the referendum only been voted on by the indigenous population, meaning those whose ancestors built this island nation, then the leave vote would have won by a landslide.

It might come as a surprise to so called "remainers," but some of us are prepared to make sacrifices to get out of the EU.

We are all aware of the vested interests of those who desire further demise to Britain as a nation state.

THERE IS NOTHING BLOODY PATRIOTIC ABOUT VOTING TO MAKE EVERYONE IN THE COUNTRY POORER AND WORSE OF.

IT IS YOU AND OTHERS WITH CONSTANT DOOM AND GLOOM WHO ARE REALLY CAUSING DIVISION

We live in the UK and get paid in £! You didn’t give anyone a 20% pay rise, you gave everyone a 20% pay cut!

Serious what is wrong with you people?

Are you making things up? Naughty!

So the money that an immigrant is sending home is worth 20% less, and I'm supposed to give a shit?

Actually I do, I think it is hilarious!!

Well I wouldn’t expect a racist like you to give a shit about anyone.

see now back to disagree, i see no racist remark in what he as said, labels caused brexit and that is something that needs to be talked about. the same labels that helped brexit for wrong reasons

its not racist to talk about indigenous, its history, good or bad. and labels stop debate, no debate is were we are now

Thus the reason for just about every post you make here, your wife is an immigrant...

I see insecurity in every post, tough!

How would that make me insecure?

You are the one who seems to be insecure, worried that foreigners are stealing your "greatness"

I have no "greatness," but I have ancestors who do, not that I am going to grace this place with their names.

China is a great nation, and the Chinese a great people. But so is Britain and so are the British.

Also nobody is going to take anything from me by buying a wife.

You are well out of order with that comment. You should be ashamed of yourself.

One of the greatest attributes of being British is tolerance.

if got quid amount of times some dick head who never left Europe said to me out with south korean girl, cheack you out with your thai bride"

need to add she had more money than rest of people i knew combined, but still i had bought her

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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago

Cambridge

Denying citizens their rights based on their race (ie if the they are indigenous or not) is racist.

Anyone who cant understand this fact, doesn't understand the concept of racism.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Had the referendum only been voted on by the indigenous population, meaning those whose ancestors built this island nation, then the leave vote would have won by a landslide.

It might come as a surprise to so called "remainers," but some of us are prepared to make sacrifices to get out of the EU.

We are all aware of the vested interests of those who desire further demise to Britain as a nation state.

THERE IS NOTHING BLOODY PATRIOTIC ABOUT VOTING TO MAKE EVERYONE IN THE COUNTRY POORER AND WORSE OF.

IT IS YOU AND OTHERS WITH CONSTANT DOOM AND GLOOM WHO ARE REALLY CAUSING DIVISION

We live in the UK and get paid in £! You didn’t give anyone a 20% pay rise, you gave everyone a 20% pay cut!

Serious what is wrong with you people?

Are you making things up? Naughty!

So the money that an immigrant is sending home is worth 20% less, and I'm supposed to give a shit?

Actually I do, I think it is hilarious!!

Well I wouldn’t expect a racist like you to give a shit about anyone.

see now back to disagree, i see no racist remark in what he as said, labels caused brexit and that is something that needs to be talked about. the same labels that helped brexit for wrong reasons

its not racist to talk about indigenous, its history, good or bad. and labels stop debate, no debate is were we are now

Thus the reason for just about every post you make here, your wife is an immigrant...

I see insecurity in every post, tough!

How would that make me insecure?

You are the one who seems to be insecure, worried that foreigners are stealing your "greatness"

I have no "greatness," but I have ancestors who do, not that I am going to grace this place with their names.

China is a great nation, and the Chinese a great people. But so is Britain and so are the British.

Also nobody is going to take anything from me by buying a wife.

You are well out of order with that comment. You should be ashamed of yourself.

One of the greatest attributes of being British is tolerance."

I did used to have tolerance, but it run out a long time ago. There is no chance of my being "ashamed" either, because I have the pride that PC has for most taken away.

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By *funtimes.Man
over a year ago

Preston

"Denying citizens their rights based on their race (ie if the they are indigenous or not) is racist.

Anyone who cant understand this fact, doesn't understand the concept of racism."

racism is out of control. lack of understanding is more to blame. if more people understand UK has no indigenous we can move on.

like USA, to say indigenous is american indians is as silly as saying there is english man.

at some point somebody with better (trained) people and better weapons changed the land

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Denying citizens their rights based on their race (ie if the they are indigenous or not) is racist.

Anyone who cant understand this fact, doesn't understand the concept of racism.

racism is out of control. lack of understanding is more to blame. if more people understand UK has no indigenous we can move on.

like USA, to say indigenous is american indians is as silly as saying there is english man.

at some point somebody with better (trained) people and better weapons changed the land"

Rubbish, every race, black white yellow and red, is under threat. In the grand plan of those who wish to control us, we must all be the same.

The word "racist" was invented by people who wish to help with this crap for their own ends.

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By *funtimes.Man
over a year ago

Preston

"Denying citizens their rights based on their race (ie if the they are indigenous or not) is racist.

Anyone who cant understand this fact, doesn't understand the concept of racism.

racism is out of control. lack of understanding is more to blame. if more people understand UK has no indigenous we can move on.

like USA, to say indigenous is american indians is as silly as saying there is english man.

at some point somebody with better (trained) people and better weapons changed the land

Rubbish, every race, black white yellow and red, is under threat. In the grand plan of those who wish to control us, we must all be the same.

The word "racist" was invented by people who wish to help with this crap for their own ends. "

we all under threat from globalization, not the word racism, words are being taken out of context.

being proud of your culture and wanting to maintain it, is not racist, expecting your own culture is and also very shallow minded to the big old world we all part off.

like i have said, im white, burn easy and blonde, what the fuck that make me in europe, never mind uk

labels have to stop, the world is in the jet and internet age we a click or flight away from each other

wish aliens would invade at times just to unite us all

but then the aliens would be the new victim

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By *nleashedCrakenMan
over a year ago

Widnes

"Had the referendum only been voted on by the indigenous population, meaning those whose ancestors built this island nation, then the leave vote would have won by a landslide.

It might come as a surprise to so called "remainers," but some of us are prepared to make sacrifices to get out of the EU.

We are all aware of the vested interests of those who desire further demise to Britain as a nation state.

In your delusional world you may even really believe that you've done some great thing for your country but from were I'm standing, and from where a lot of other people who have risked far more than people like you would ever know, actually doing things to make this country a better and safer place to live in, your nothing more than fucking seditious traitor who's hell bent on not only the demise of the UK by creating division between the UK and the EU but between the peoples of the UK to. What you going to do next to take the great out of great Britain; Remove the vote from anyone who can't trace their ancestry further back than you?

THERE IS NOTHING BLOODY PATRIOTIC ABOUT VOTING TO MAKE EVERYONE IN THE COUNTRY POORER AND WORSE OF.

What a load of total and utter shit!

It is the likes of you that have brought this once great nation to its knees. Now you lost a referendum that you was odds on to lose, and you are bitter.

The nation I live in, Great Britain, is still great but won't be made greater by racist bigots like you.

Well the sun rose again today, and you still lost, get used to it you liberal pigmies.

I care little and less how much you invested in the EU crapfest, and am lol at any losses you made. Serves you fucking right!

I personally have not made any loss except the loss we've all made by the GBP(pound) dropping to its lowest level I'm 160 years. But I'm not surprised you don't care about the loss others either have made or will make because, let's face it, if you really gave a shit about your country or any of the people in it, you wouldn't be backing a policy that you know is going to make all of them a lot poorer. But, like you said, you don't care about your country or its people.

Oh and I am a patriot, more than you will ever be. My family tree has been tracked back to the 15th century, I belong here. I voted leave, and wept tears of joy WHEN WE WON!

You're not a patriot, your a fucking treacherous racist who seems to think that the fact your ancestors where born here 500 years ago makes you better than others. It doesn't, and the fact that you think it does just goes to show how un British you really are.

But if having ancestors living here longest is the measure of patriotism in your little Englander world then I beet you hands down. I can trace my ancestors back directly to 1066, that's 950 years or almost twice as long as yours. So, compared to me, you're just a recent, racist, very unwelcome immigrant who also happens to be a seditious tractor willing to sell out this country and it's people just so you can say you won something.

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By *nleashedCrakenMan
over a year ago

Widnes

"Oh and if you must quote me get it right.

I said indigenous population, and we do exist whether you like it or not."

Yes, you're right, we do but you're not as indigenous as the real indigenous people of these islands. You're just a racist trying to spread division in this country. That's what sedition is and why I call you what you are, a seditious traitor. It used to be a crime you know.

How you have the audacity you call yourself a patriot simply beggars belief.

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By *funtimes.Man
over a year ago

Preston

"Had the referendum only been voted on by the indigenous population, meaning those whose ancestors built this island nation, then the leave vote would have won by a landslide.

It might come as a surprise to so called "remainers," but some of us are prepared to make sacrifices to get out of the EU.

We are all aware of the vested interests of those who desire further demise to Britain as a nation state.

THERE IS NOTHING BLOODY PATRIOTIC ABOUT VOTING TO MAKE EVERYONE IN THE COUNTRY POORER AND WORSE OF.

What a load of total and utter shit!

It is the likes of you that have brought this once great nation to its knees. Now you lost a referendum that you was odds on to lose, and you are bitter.

The nation I live in, Great Britain, is still great but won't be made greater by racist bigots like you.

Well the sun rose again today, and you still lost, get used to it you liberal pigmies.

I care little and less how much you invested in the EU crapfest, and am lol at any losses you made. Serves you fucking right!

Oh and I am a patriot, more than you will ever be. My family tree has been tracked back to the 15th century, I belong here. I voted leave, and wept tears of joy WHEN WE WON!

exactly. my tree goes back to start, but that only start of records, in the earth time i see it as power nap

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By *nleashedCrakenMan
over a year ago

Widnes

"Had the referendum only been voted on by the indigenous population, meaning those whose ancestors built this island nation, then the leave vote would have won by a landslide.

It might come as a surprise to so called "remainers," but some of us are prepared to make sacrifices to get out of the EU.

We are all aware of the vested interests of those who desire further demise to Britain as a nation state.

You must have been gutted that people of colour were able to vote to resist leaving the EU....

Yes, I saw him to. Just goes to show that people can be right or wrong regardless of the colour of their skin or how long their ancestors have lived in the British Isles.

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By *nleashedCrakenMan
over a year ago

Widnes

""Indigenous people" there aren't even words to describe people like you.

This island was built by Northern Atlantic European people, and as things stand we are still the majority.

Regardless of enforced political correctness, the brainwashing of children, and the dumbing down of society in general, there are still enough of us left to make the decision we did.

Now it is time to put the GREAT back in Great Britain!

I didn't need to brainwash my children to teach them how to recognise a a bigot when they see one.....

And you think remarks like that help?

I think they do actually. Why shouldn't we call a bigot a bigot, a racist a racist or a traitor a traitor. Or is this some new sort of political correctness that we're all meant to buy into.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Had the referendum only been voted on by the indigenous population, meaning those whose ancestors built this island nation, then the leave vote would have won by a landslide.

It might come as a surprise to so called "remainers," but some of us are prepared to make sacrifices to get out of the EU.

We are all aware of the vested interests of those who desire further demise to Britain as a nation state.

THERE IS NOTHING BLOODY PATRIOTIC ABOUT VOTING TO MAKE EVERYONE IN THE COUNTRY POORER AND WORSE OF.

What a load of total and utter shit!

It is the likes of you that have brought this once great nation to its knees. Now you lost a referendum that you was odds on to lose, and you are bitter.

The nation I live in, Great Britain, is still great but won't be made greater by racist bigots like you.

Well the sun rose again today, and you still lost, get used to it you liberal pigmies.

I care little and less how much you invested in the EU crapfest, and am lol at any losses you made. Serves you fucking right!

Oh and I am a patriot, more than you will ever be. My family tree has been tracked back to the 15th century, I belong here. I voted leave, and wept tears of joy WHEN WE WON!

God help us all if the likes of you ever took this country over, hang on, they already did.

The LibLabCon have been screwing us for decades, and tosspots like you are happy to let them continue.

However, there is an increase in the amount of people here that have nationalist opinions, and we will take our nation back, one way or another.

If we don't, then we will be the next Alepo...

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By *funtimes.Man
over a year ago

Preston

""Indigenous people" there aren't even words to describe people like you.

This island was built by Northern Atlantic European people, and as things stand we are still the majority.

Regardless of enforced political correctness, the brainwashing of children, and the dumbing down of society in general, there are still enough of us left to make the decision we did.

Now it is time to put the GREAT back in Great Britain!

I didn't need to brainwash my children to teach them how to recognise a a bigot when they see one.....

And you think remarks like that help?

I think they do actually. Why shouldn't we call a bigot a bigot, a racist a racist or a traitor a traitor. Or is this some new sort of political correctness that we're all meant to buy into."

because a bigot is to easy labelled, you both bigot in that case. racist is to broad a term and is edward snowdan a traitor or a patriot?

we all have different answers you must agree, so labels are no help?

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By *nleashedCrakenMan
over a year ago

Widnes

"This thread seems to have gone a bit nasty.

What did you expect when the people who won a totally democratic referendum are being called idiots and losers by people who have a vested interest in the downfall of our nation?

I'm not calling you a loser or an idiot and I have no vested interest in the EU beyond the one I believe we all have. What I do call you is a traitor to your people and country.

Total bullshit. I can not believe that someone who doesn't 'give a shit' about making people poorer actually thinks they did it for their children and their children's children. Don't try and justify your perfidy my hiding behind your kids. The reality is that you've sold out your country, your people, your children, your children's children and every one else for a load of meaningless slogans because you simply didn't have enough faith in your country and it's people to believe they could compete with our European neighbours.