FabSwingers.com forum: Blair back?

By *artytwo OP Couple
over a year ago

Wolverhampton

'Tony Blair has suggested he might return to politics in order to battle the Conservative Party...........'

What a fucking horrific prospect.

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By *anes HubbyCouple
over a year ago

Babbacombe Torquay

Blair had his good points and did much for ordinary people in this country....unfortunately he also had a serious weakness when it came to the US and Israel, but to be honest I don't see any difference with the current government, they all go cap in hand to the US at the end of the day....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I could see him joining the Conservatives !

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By *anes HubbyCouple
over a year ago

Babbacombe Torquay

In my opinion it's time to split the Labour Party, relaunch New Labour and give them half a chance of defeating the Tories, sadly the next election will probably come too soon for that.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Blair is the ultimate demigod, he'll tell you everything you want to hear while doing the complete opposite....

He was as charismatic as Hitler but with less morals

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock

"'Tony Blair has suggested he might return to politics in order to battle the Conservative Party...........'

What a fucking horrific prospect. "

Let him try if he wishes, Tony Blair is despised by a good majority of the UK now.

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By *isandreTV/TS
over a year ago

Durham

He will find it difficult from a prison cell.

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By *illwill69uMan
over a year ago

moston

So the Torylites acolytes of the PLP and NEC of the Labour party having been defeated twice are now going to bring back the prophet and high-priest of New Labour to continue in their attempt to overthrow the will of the party.

I can see a lot of Labour MP's and NEC members looking for new employment (including my MP) come the next election unless they can get another Tory donor to finance their re-election attempts.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

How about that for an idea to turn your stomach.

Esquire magazine has a corpse-like photo of him on its front page...clearly his vampire-like love of money has taken its toll!

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock

"How about that for an idea to turn your stomach.

Esquire magazine has a corpse-like photo of him on its front page...clearly his vampire-like love of money has taken its toll! "

Remember the Labour poster with Blair having the Demon eyes, it wasn't far from the truth.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The labour party was just a convenient vehicle for hime to use and abuse to rise to power, fame and fortune.

Blair was the Conservative party's natural successor to Margaret Thatcher, unfortunately he turned his snake oil salesman charms on the Labour party, he probably saw it as an easier victim for his charms.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"He will find it difficult from a prison cell.

why will he be in prison?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Wow he did win three elections for Labour...i wonder what price on Mr Corbyn doing that.....he has massive foreign policy faults but he did improve the lot of the low paid....But he is yesterdays man and politics is a short game to be fashionable in..... But would he be better than the total lack of opposition we have now ?...May v Blair at question time would at least be a contest unlike the present dummies fom Labour, Lib Dem and SNP

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By *anes HubbyCouple
over a year ago

Babbacombe Torquay

"'Tony Blair has suggested he might return to politics in order to battle the Conservative Party...........'

What a fucking horrific prospect.

Let him try if he wishes, Tony Blair is despised by a good majority of the UK now. "

Funny how they despise him whilst lapping up their Tax Credits, Minimum Wage, Guaranteed minimum income guarantee for Pensioners....etc. etc..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"'Tony Blair has suggested he might return to politics in order to battle the Conservative Party...........'

What a fucking horrific prospect.

Let him try if he wishes, Tony Blair is despised by a good majority of the UK now.

Funny how they despise him whilst lapping up their Tax Credits, Minimum Wage, Guaranteed minimum income guarantee for Pensioners....etc. etc.."
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Jimmy savile did great charity work raising tens of millions, I wouldn't give him his job back because of it though

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"'Tony Blair has suggested he might return to politics in order to battle the Conservative Party...........'

What a fucking horrific prospect.

Let him try if he wishes, Tony Blair is despised by a good majority of the UK now.

Funny how they despise him whilst lapping up their Tax Credits, Minimum Wage, Guaranteed minimum income guarantee for Pensioners....etc. etc.."

Not really.

He had some good policies. And some shit ones.

There is nothing wrong with applauding the good ones while denigrating the bad ones.

Warmongering privatising bastard, but there were a few good things.

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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago

Cambridge

"'Tony Blair has suggested he might return to politics in order to battle the Conservative Party...........'

What a fucking horrific prospect.

Let him try if he wishes, Tony Blair is despised by a good majority of the UK now.

Funny how they despise him whilst lapping up their Tax Credits, Minimum Wage, Guaranteed minimum income guarantee for Pensioners....etc. etc..

Not really.

He had some good policies. And some shit ones.

There is nothing wrong with applauding the good ones while denigrating the bad ones.

Warmongering privatising bastard, but there were a few good things."

So you wouldn't have intervened to save the people of Sierra Leone then? You would have let the raping and killing and looting continue would you?

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By *isandreTV/TS
over a year ago

Durham

"He will find it difficult from a prison cell.

why will he be in prison?"

I think there will be a trial for the waging of the Iraq war. It's not long after Chilcot. The families and stop the war coalition were waiting for it's published findings before proceeding.

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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago

Cambridge

"He will find it difficult from a prison cell.

why will he be in prison?

I think there will be a trial for the waging of the Iraq war. It's not long after Chilcot. The families and stop the war coalition were waiting for it's published findings before proceeding. "

Declaring war is part of the Royal prerogative powers given to the PM. Blair didn't need to seek approval from parliament, but he did, and he got it. He broke no laws, so isn't going to be on trial, or going to prison.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"He will find it difficult from a prison cell.

why will he be in prison?

I think there will be a trial for the waging of the Iraq war. It's not long after Chilcot. The families and stop the war coalition were waiting for it's published findings before proceeding. "

and what can they proceed with ?

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By *artytwo OP Couple
over a year ago

Wolverhampton

Yes it's sad to think that multi-millionaire Blair and his equally rich 'Tony Booth' faced wife will no longer play a significant part in UK politics.

Unless she does like the Clintons (imaginary deity forbid)

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By *isandreTV/TS
over a year ago

Durham

"He will find it difficult from a prison cell.

why will he be in prison?

I think there will be a trial for the waging of the Iraq war. It's not long after Chilcot. The families and stop the war coalition were waiting for it's published findings before proceeding.

Indeed, declaring War is, or had been until Blair broke tradition by agreeing to put it to a Parliamentary vote , entirely up to the Prime Minister.

That is not the law he broke.

The law he broke was not that he had the right to declare War, it is that he only has the right to take us into a JUSTIFIED War. Think about it, Blair couldn’t decide to invade any old country just because he felt like it, simply because under the UK Constitution he is the only one who can make that decision.

Under international law there are only three possible justifications for going to War.

1. It is authorised by the UN Security Council.

2. It is justified as self-defence in the sense envisaged by Articles 2:4 and 51 of the UN Charter.

3. A justified use of force on the basis of humanitarian intervention, using force to protect fundamental human rights from an immediate and massive threat.

Let’s look at all three, starting with the last first as it is simplest to refute. The UK and US didn’t use this argument, (they didn’t because they knew they couldn’t but that is beside the point) so we do not need to waste time on it.

Which leaves 1. And 2. BOTH of which were attempted justifications, which ought to tell you something. Remember Colin Powell trying to persuade the UN to pass a second resolution to justify the war? They failed and went to war anyway, then tried to argue the resolution from the first gulf war was sufficient justification.

Then we had the dodgy dossier which tried to suggest that Saddam was an immediate threat to the UK ie we were 24 hours away from a direct WMD attack. We know it was a nonsense and of course Hans Blix told them there were no WMD even before the invasion.

They had their own agenda and reasons so didn’t want to hear it, expecting to find something to justify the invasion after the event.

Here is what is is illegal.

Waging war for the purpose of regime change. Thanks to Chilcot and the documents revealed and the actual admission from Blair himself under pressure, we know that Regime change was the actual reason. This means Blair could be prosecuted at the ICJ (the ICC does not have jurisdiction due to the timing of the War) and he could be prosecuted by the people of this country by it’s own courts. That is the legal position. Both possible prosecutions are legal possibilities. It is now about the political will.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"'Tony Blair has suggested he might return to politics in order to battle the Conservative Party...........'

What a fucking horrific prospect.

Let him try if he wishes, Tony Blair is despised by a good majority of the UK now.

Funny how they despise him whilst lapping up their Tax Credits, Minimum Wage, Guaranteed minimum income guarantee for Pensioners....etc. etc..

Not really.

He had some good policies. And some shit ones.

There is nothing wrong with applauding the good ones while denigrating the bad ones.

Warmongering privatising bastard, but there were a few good things.

So you wouldn't have intervened to save the people of Sierra Leone then? You would have let the raping and killing and looting continue would you?"

Erm, I don't recall commenting on any of those issues, do you? Other than to mention warmongering.

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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago

upton wirral

"'Tony Blair has suggested he might return to politics in order to battle the Conservative Party...........'

What a fucking horrific prospect. "
It will not happen

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