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By *entaur_UK OP   Man
over a year ago

Cannock

A sky news poll showed 52% of people think complete control of our borders is more important than access to the EU single market.

Just 40% of people think access to the single market is more important.

Pretty clear result really, and add to that today the new Chancellor of the Exchequer Philip Hammond said in his speech at the Tory party conference in Birmingham, "no ifs, no buts, no 2nd referendum, the UK is leaving the European Union".

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By *tillup4funMan
over a year ago

Wakefield


"A sky news poll showed 52% of people think complete control of our borders is more important than access to the EU single market.

Just 40% of people think access to the single market is more important.

Pretty clear result really, and add to that today the new Chancellor of the Exchequer Philip Hammond said in his speech at the Tory party conference in Birmingham, "no ifs, no buts, no 2nd referendum, the UK is leaving the European Union". "

I personally don't take much notice of polls they can be very misleading but I hope this one is right.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"A sky news poll showed 52% of people think complete control of our borders is more important than access to the EU single market.

Just 40% of people think access to the single market is more important.

Pretty clear result really, and add to that today the new Chancellor of the Exchequer Philip Hammond said in his speech at the Tory party conference in Birmingham, "no ifs, no buts, no 2nd referendum, the UK is leaving the European Union". "

guess the majority of us knew this all along, fine to see more clarification

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

My question is will the eu do everything possible to make it difficult for the uk to deter other countries from leaving.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"My question is will the eu do everything possible to make it difficult for the uk to deter other countries from leaving. "

absolutely not, the countries of the EU will start going their own ways, they will do what is best for their individual country rather than what is best for the EU

and of course in turn the UE will continue to fall

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"My question is will the eu do everything possible to make it difficult for the uk to deter other countries from leaving.

absolutely not, the countries of the EU will start going their own ways, they will do what is best for their individual country rather than what is best for the EU

and of course in turn the UE will continue to fall"
nice thought .. Will drink to that!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Ahh now i know where all those villages are .

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Why not get Donald Trump to build an enormous wall around the British Isles? Keep everyone out and stop everyone leaving and Little Britain can live happily ever after

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Why not get Donald Trump to build an enormous wall around the British Isles? Keep everyone out and stop everyone leaving and Little Britain can live happily ever after"

and Spain wouldn't last long then would it

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"A sky news poll showed 52% of people think complete control of our borders is more important than access to the EU single market.

Just 40% of people think access to the single market is more important.

Pretty clear result really, and add to that today the new Chancellor of the Exchequer Philip Hammond said in his speech at the Tory party conference in Birmingham, "no ifs, no buts, no 2nd referendum, the UK is leaving the European Union". "

I've never understood why people think a leave vote means we would remain in the single market??

Why bother leaving?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Ah, yes. Great Britain, the saviour of Spain. The Spanish people really are very grateful

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Ah, yes. Great Britain, the saviour of Spain. The Spanish people really are very grateful"

I know, I've got a home there and lived there for years. Pity they are such a racist nation

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Some of the thinking on here is ...well It is all those nasty Europeans fault,I mean with out the EU we would be the richest most successful country in ? .... never mind ... it is so not fair that we have to abide by workers employment rights or maternity leave rights or grants to aid the most remote areas of the country.....someone has joked that all we need is a Trump style wall now... Some on here are deluded nasty little nationalists who are all for this inward looking navel gazing stupidity

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Some of the thinking on here is ...well It is all those nasty Europeans fault,I mean with out the EU we would be the richest most successful country in ? .... never mind ... it is so not fair that we have to abide by workers employment rights or maternity leave rights or grants to aid the most remote areas of the country.....someone has joked that all we need is a Trump style wall now... Some on here are deluded nasty little nationalists who are all for this inward looking navel gazing stupidity "

they would be the supporters of the EU and not the outside world

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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago

Cambridge


"Some of the thinking on here is ...well It is all those nasty Europeans fault,I mean with out the EU we would be the richest most successful country in ? .... never mind ... it is so not fair that we have to abide by workers employment rights or maternity leave rights or grants to aid the most remote areas of the country.....someone has joked that all we need is a Trump style wall now... Some on here are deluded nasty little nationalists who are all for this inward looking navel gazing stupidity "

Well we have taken those grants, and the economic stability and growth, have been a major player in the Union, secured massive rebates and opt outs over the Euro and things like that, but now we think its time to kick them to the curb and we will be welcomed with open arms by our commonwealth brethren whilst the whole world fights over who can give the best possible deal to Britain

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Some of the thinking on here is ...well It is all those nasty Europeans fault,I mean with out the EU we would be the richest most successful country in ? .... never mind ... it is so not fair that we have to abide by workers employment rights or maternity leave rights or grants to aid the most remote areas of the country.....someone has joked that all we need is a Trump style wall now... Some on here are deluded nasty little nationalists who are all for this inward looking navel gazing stupidity

Well we have taken those grants, and the economic stability and growth, have been a major player in the Union, secured massive rebates and opt outs over the Euro and things like that, but now we think its time to kick them to the curb and we will be welcomed with open arms by our commonwealth brethren whilst the whole world fights over who can give the best possible deal to Britain "

Grants? Oh thanks for a bit of me own money back. Economic stability? Jeez. And growth? We were the fifth largest economy before me even joined the common market nevermind the EU so how does that work

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Economic stability

I must have misread the banking troubles and the debt the country is in and the fact that 17 million people in the UK have less than £100 in the bank

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Haha, i'm glad to see you have a sense of humour. 90% of the Britons who live in Spain don't speak the language, eat British food, haven't integrated, know nothing about the country and are happy to live in British communities where they can have all their services in English. That's about 900,000 people.

But the Spanish are an easy going people and most of them don't resort to racism over the problem, unlike many Brits in the UK who have migrants in their communities

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By *anes HubbyCouple
over a year ago

Babbacombe Torquay


"Haha, i'm glad to see you have a sense of humour. 90% of the Britons who live in Spain don't speak the language, eat British food, haven't integrated, know nothing about the country and are happy to live in British communities where they can have all their services in English. That's about 900,000 people.

But the Spanish are an easy going people and most of them don't resort to racism over the problem, unlike many Brits in the UK who have migrants in their communities"

A fantastic post which sums it up perfectly for us

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By *anes HubbyCouple
over a year ago

Babbacombe Torquay

It's also worth noting that the Conservatives have already indicated that they will turn to the Commonwealth to find the cheap labour the country requires....in other words less Poles and Slovakians and a hell of a lot more from the Indian and African continent, so no less immigrants, just from other parts.....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Haha, i'm glad to see you have a sense of humour. 90% of the Britons who live in Spain don't speak the language, eat British food, haven't integrated, know nothing about the country and are happy to live in British communities where they can have all their services in English. That's about 900,000 people.

But the Spanish are an easy going people and most of them don't resort to racism over the problem, unlike many Brits in the UK who have migrants in their communities"

As you know so much about the British there I assume you're one of the type of which you speak.

Ever seen a black policeman there?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Haha, that's a very lame argument. I've spent a third of my life in Spain and love the country, its culture and its language. Overdone roast beef and tasteless dinners didn't hold much appeal when I lived in the UK either

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Haha, that's a very lame argument. I've spent a third of my life in Spain and love the country, its culture and its language. Overdone roast beef and tasteless dinners didn't hold much appeal when I lived in the UK either"

I love the place and the culture and the language too. Thats why I want to see an end to the EU.

But truthfully, have you ever seen a black copper?

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By *anes HubbyCouple
over a year ago

Babbacombe Torquay

Yes there are black police officers in Madrid, hope that clears it up for you.

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By *anes HubbyCouple
over a year ago

Babbacombe Torquay

Although I've never seen any in the Costas

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

you love Spain so you want to see an end to the EU..... I see.... Or actually I don't see at all. Is that a bit like the 350 million for the NHS?

As for black policemen.... The Moors ruled in Spain for nearly 800 years so the majority of Spaniards have north African blood. Some have a north African appearance.... and they even let them into the police force! What a liberal country, eh?

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By *igsteve43Man
over a year ago

derby


"Haha, i'm glad to see you have a sense of humour. 90% of the Britons who live in Spain don't speak the language, eat British food, haven't integrated, know nothing about the country and are happy to live in British communities where they can have all their services in English. That's about 900,000 people.

But the Spanish are an easy going people and most of them don't resort to racism over the problem, unlike many Brits in the UK who have migrants in their communities"

I think you would find that the costa holiday resorts are a very different place the expats dont learnthe language because they dont need to and the locals tolerate us because we are their livelihood , go into the small villages and you simply would not get by without learning spanish and integrating

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By *entaur_UK OP   Man
over a year ago

Cannock


"Some of the thinking on here is ...well It is all those nasty Europeans fault,I mean with out the EU we would be the richest most successful country in ? .... never mind ... it is so not fair that we have to abide by workers employment rights or maternity leave rights or grants to aid the most remote areas of the country.....someone has joked that all we need is a Trump style wall now... Some on here are deluded nasty little nationalists who are all for this inward looking navel gazing stupidity "

You seem to be the one who is deluded Milli, by leaving the inward looking and protectionist EU, we are opening ourselves up to the whole world.

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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago

Cambridge


"Some of the thinking on here is ...well It is all those nasty Europeans fault,I mean with out the EU we would be the richest most successful country in ? .... never mind ... it is so not fair that we have to abide by workers employment rights or maternity leave rights or grants to aid the most remote areas of the country.....someone has joked that all we need is a Trump style wall now... Some on here are deluded nasty little nationalists who are all for this inward looking navel gazing stupidity

You seem to be the one who is deluded Milli, by leaving the inward looking and protectionist EU, we are opening ourselves up to the whole world. "

And you think that's a good thing?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Some of the thinking on here is ...well It is all those nasty Europeans fault,I mean with out the EU we would be the richest most successful country in ? .... never mind ... it is so not fair that we have to abide by workers employment rights or maternity leave rights or grants to aid the most remote areas of the country.....someone has joked that all we need is a Trump style wall now... Some on here are deluded nasty little nationalists who are all for this inward looking navel gazing stupidity

You seem to be the one who is deluded Milli, by leaving the inward looking and protectionist EU, we are opening ourselves up to the whole world.

And you think that's a good thing? "

Why wouldn't it be?

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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago

Cambridge

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


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lost for words

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"you love Spain so you want to see an end to the EU..... I see.... Or actually I don't see at all. Is that a bit like the 350 million for the NHS?

As for black policemen.... The Moors ruled in Spain for nearly 800 years so the majority of Spaniards have north African blood. Some have a north African appearance.... and they even let them into the police force! What a liberal country, eh?"

so thats a no then.

And yes an end to the EU so that countries can fully govern themselves and implement policies and trade agreements that best suit their interests and economies. The EU is an outdted idea in todays world, well in any world really, political blocs like that have always failed. Or maybe you think a 20% unemployment rate in Spain constitutes some kind of success?

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By *oncupiscentTonyMan
over a year ago

Kent


" Or maybe you think a 20% unemployment rate in Spain constitutes some kind of success?"

Seeing as it's hovered around the 15% mark for the last 40 odd years it's not as clear cut as you like to present is it

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


" Or maybe you think a 20% unemployment rate in Spain constitutes some kind of success?

Seeing as it's hovered around the 15% mark for the last 40 odd years it's not as clear cut as you like to present is it"

so what about 43% youth unemployment?

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By *oncupiscentTonyMan
over a year ago

Kent


" Or maybe you think a 20% unemployment rate in Spain constitutes some kind of success?

Seeing as it's hovered around the 15% mark for the last 40 odd years it's not as clear cut as you like to present is it

so what about 43% youth unemployment?"

Where it's hovered around the 35% mark for the last 30 odd years?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


" Or maybe you think a 20% unemployment rate in Spain constitutes some kind of success?

Seeing as it's hovered around the 15% mark for the last 40 odd years it's not as clear cut as you like to present is it

so what about 43% youth unemployment?

Where it's hovered around the 35% mark for the last 30 odd years?"

ye 5 or 10% doesn't sound much if you say it quick or mean much, unless you're one of that number.

So how over those years has the worlds richest continent turned into the worlds slowest growing?

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By *entaur_UK OP   Man
over a year ago

Cannock


" Or maybe you think a 20% unemployment rate in Spain constitutes some kind of success?

Seeing as it's hovered around the 15% mark for the last 40 odd years it's not as clear cut as you like to present is it

so what about 43% youth unemployment?

Where it's hovered around the 35% mark for the last 30 odd years?

ye 5 or 10% doesn't sound much if you say it quick or mean much, unless you're one of that number.

So how over those years has the worlds richest continent turned into the worlds slowest growing?"

Because the EU is outdated, inefficient, undemocratic, over bureaucratic and over regulated. To sum up, the EU is just shit really.

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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago

Cambridge


" Or maybe you think a 20% unemployment rate in Spain constitutes some kind of success?

Seeing as it's hovered around the 15% mark for the last 40 odd years it's not as clear cut as you like to present is it

so what about 43% youth unemployment?

Where it's hovered around the 35% mark for the last 30 odd years?

ye 5 or 10% doesn't sound much if you say it quick or mean much, unless you're one of that number.

So how over those years has the worlds richest continent turned into the worlds slowest growing?"

Hahaha You do make me laugh CandM, being a richest continent and being the slowest growing are two completely different things. I’ll simplify it if for you. Imagine you have two people. Person A has £100, and Person B has £1. You give it a year and you come back to visit Person A and Person B. Now Person A has £105, and Person B has £2. Person A’s fortune has grown by 5%, but Person B’s fortune has grown by a whopping 100%! Which person did better off during the year and which would you rather be?

Spain and the UK are both in the EU, and have been for quite a while. If unemployment in Spain is the fault of the EU, why don’t we have the same levels in the UK?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

another round & round in circles thread

see what I mean

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


" Or maybe you think a 20% unemployment rate in Spain constitutes some kind of success?

Seeing as it's hovered around the 15% mark for the last 40 odd years it's not as clear cut as you like to present is it

so what about 43% youth unemployment?

Where it's hovered around the 35% mark for the last 30 odd years?

ye 5 or 10% doesn't sound much if you say it quick or mean much, unless you're one of that number.

So how over those years has the worlds richest continent turned into the worlds slowest growing?

Hahaha You do make me laugh CandM, being a richest continent and being the slowest growing are two completely different things. I’ll simplify it if for you. Imagine you have two people. Person A has £100, and Person B has £1. You give it a year and you come back to visit Person A and Person B. Now Person A has £105, and Person B has £2. Person A’s fortune has grown by 5%, but Person B’s fortune has grown by a whopping 100%! Which person did better off during the year and which would you rather be?

Spain and the UK are both in the EU, and have been for quite a while. If unemployment in Spain is the fault of the EU, why don’t we have the same levels in the UK?"

I will make it simple for you. Person B is obviously now better off. What would you rather be? 5% better off or 100% better off?

Because the UK didn't join the Euro for one. Was that not the idea of the EU or down to the EU?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"another round & round in circles thread

see what I mean"

have you got nothing you can go and shoot

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By *oncupiscentTonyMan
over a year ago

Kent


" Or maybe you think a 20% unemployment rate in Spain constitutes some kind of success?

Seeing as it's hovered around the 15% mark for the last 40 odd years it's not as clear cut as you like to present is it

so what about 43% youth unemployment?

Where it's hovered around the 35% mark for the last 30 odd years?

ye 5 or 10% doesn't sound much if you say it quick or mean much, unless you're one of that number.

So how over those years has the worlds richest continent turned into the worlds slowest growing?"

After Franco popped his clogs the economy was in dire straits and didn't pick up till the mid 1980's, off the top of your head can you think when Spain joined the EC?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"another round & round in circles thread

see what I mean

have you got nothing you can go and shoot "

will soon be the 20th October, time to swap over from stag to hind

and of course its rutting time again, high activity in the hills

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


" Or maybe you think a 20% unemployment rate in Spain constitutes some kind of success?

Seeing as it's hovered around the 15% mark for the last 40 odd years it's not as clear cut as you like to present is it

so what about 43% youth unemployment?

Where it's hovered around the 35% mark for the last 30 odd years?

ye 5 or 10% doesn't sound much if you say it quick or mean much, unless you're one of that number.

So how over those years has the worlds richest continent turned into the worlds slowest growing?

After Franco popped his clogs the economy was in dire straits and didn't pick up till the mid 1980's, off the top of your head can you think when Spain joined the EC?"

1986 but what has the EEC got to do with the EU?

By that time their economy was already growing and their deficit down due to measures taken by their own government. I don't see your point?

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By *oncupiscentTonyMan
over a year ago

Kent

Growth of 2% in 1985

Growth of 5.5% in 1987

Any idea what happened in between?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Why not get Donald Trump to build an enormous wall around the British Isles? Keep everyone out and stop everyone leaving and Little Britain can live happily ever after"

We already have the channel etc. God didn't make us an Island for nothing!

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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago

North West


"Why not get Donald Trump to build an enormous wall around the British Isles? Keep everyone out and stop everyone leaving and Little Britain can live happily ever after

We already have the channel etc. God didn't make us an Island for nothing!"

The last ice age made us an island

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Growth of 2% in 1985

Growth of 5.5% in 1987

Any idea what happened in between?"

I've already told you. It was on that trajectory anyway due to measures taken by the government. But what has the EEC got to do with the EU?

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By *oncupiscentTonyMan
over a year ago

Kent


"Growth of 2% in 1985

Growth of 5.5% in 1987

Any idea what happened in between?

I've already told you. It was on that trajectory anyway due to measures taken by the government. But what has the EEC got to do with the EU?"

82-1.2%

83-1.8%

84-1.9%

85-2.1%

86-3.3%

87-5.5%

Can't think what caused that spike, unless you've already told me?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Growth of 2% in 1985

Growth of 5.5% in 1987

Any idea what happened in between?

I've already told you. It was on that trajectory anyway due to measures taken by the government. But what has the EEC got to do with the EU?

82-1.2%

83-1.8%

84-1.9%

85-2.1%

86-3.3%

87-5.5%

Can't think what caused that spike, unless you've already told me?"

like I said, it was going that way anyway. But what does that have to do with the EU?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Growth of 2% in 1985

Growth of 5.5% in 1987

Any idea what happened in between?

I've already told you. It was on that trajectory anyway due to measures taken by the government. But what has the EEC got to do with the EU?

82-1.2%

83-1.8%

84-1.9%

85-2.1%

86-3.3%

87-5.5%

Can't think what caused that spike, unless you've already told me?

like I said, it was going that way anyway. But what does that have to do with the EU?"

if the EEC had kept things as they were in 1986 then things might have continued to improve but no, failed politicians and the Germans decided that wasn't enough so in 1993 decided to turn it into the EU and then the Eurozone and its all gone wrong since

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Growth of 2% in 1985

Growth of 5.5% in 1987

Any idea what happened in between?

I've already told you. It was on that trajectory anyway due to measures taken by the government. But what has the EEC got to do with the EU?

82-1.2%

83-1.8%

84-1.9%

85-2.1%

86-3.3%

87-5.5%

Can't think what caused that spike, unless you've already told me?"

Correlation is not causation. Look at Poland, Bulgaria, Romania. All of them were growing nicely before they joined the EU and continued to do so after they did.

If you've had an awful government and then have a less than awful one, Growth is a result of regression-to-the-mean.

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By *tillup4funMan
over a year ago

Wakefield


"Why not get Donald Trump to build an enormous wall around the British Isles? Keep everyone out and stop everyone leaving and Little Britain can live happily ever after

We already have the channel etc. God didn't make us an Island for nothing!

The last ice age made us an island "

Thank you ice age you have saved us from the EU.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The problem with taking control of our borders is it comes at the expense of crippling our production and export sector something the government will never do.

The EU wont agree to a trade deal without free movement (this is fact we must have all come to accept this now) and we cannot start to barter trade deals with anyone else untill article 50 is complete so if we dont barter a deal with the EU when we exit we would be in a position where we HAVE to trade with the EU but would have to do it according to WTO rules that means heafty tarriffs we already struggle to remain competetive with other countries because our welfare and production standards are so high making the cost higher tarriffs on top are costs we cant afford

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"The problem with taking control of our borders is it comes at the expense of crippling our production and export sector something the government will never do.

The EU wont agree to a trade deal without free movement (this is fact we must have all come to accept this now) and we cannot start to barter trade deals with anyone else untill article 50 is complete so if we dont barter a deal with the EU when we exit we would be in a position where we HAVE to trade with the EU but would have to do it according to WTO rules that means heafty tarriffs we already struggle to remain competetive with other countries because our welfare and production standards are so high making the cost higher tarriffs on top are costs we cant afford "

Cake and eat it spring to mind. A lot of the 52% seem to take other governments for fools. Their logic relies on, we can offer them a shit deal and they will offer us a cracking one and then we'll make this country great again.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"The problem with taking control of our borders is it comes at the expense of crippling our production and export sector something the government will never do.

The EU wont agree to a trade deal without free movement (this is fact we must have all come to accept this now) and we cannot start to barter trade deals with anyone else untill article 50 is complete so if we dont barter a deal with the EU when we exit we would be in a position where we HAVE to trade with the EU but would have to do it according to WTO rules that means heafty tarriffs we already struggle to remain competetive with other countries because our welfare and production standards are so high making the cost higher tarriffs on top are costs we cant afford

Cake and eat it spring to mind. A lot of the 52% seem to take other governments for fools. Their logic relies on, we can offer them a shit deal and they will offer us a cracking one and then we'll make this country great again. "

what shit deal will they be getting?

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By *tillup4funMan
over a year ago

Wakefield


"The problem with taking control of our borders is it comes at the expense of crippling our production and export sector something the government will never do.

The EU wont agree to a trade deal without free movement (this is fact we must have all come to accept this now) and we cannot start to barter trade deals with anyone else untill article 50 is complete so if we dont barter a deal with the EU when we exit we would be in a position where we HAVE to trade with the EU but would have to do it according to WTO rules that means heafty tarriffs we already struggle to remain competetive with other countries because our welfare and production standards are so high making the cost higher tarriffs on top are costs we cant afford

Cake and eat it spring to mind. A lot of the 52% seem to take other governments for fools. Their logic relies on, we can offer them a shit deal and they will offer us a cracking one and then we'll make this country great again. "

How do you know a lot of the 52% seem to take the other governments for fools?

I think it will be hard for 5 to 10 years after we leave but once we have new trade deals in place we will all be a lot better off. And the way the EU is heading when other countries see we survived they may well want to join us.

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over a year ago


"The problem with taking control of our borders is it comes at the expense of crippling our production and export sector something the government will never do.

The EU wont agree to a trade deal without free movement (this is fact we must have all come to accept this now) and we cannot start to barter trade deals with anyone else untill article 50 is complete so if we dont barter a deal with the EU when we exit we would be in a position where we HAVE to trade with the EU but would have to do it according to WTO rules that means heafty tarriffs we already struggle to remain competetive with other countries because our welfare and production standards are so high making the cost higher tarriffs on top are costs we cant afford

Cake and eat it spring to mind. A lot of the 52% seem to take other governments for fools. Their logic relies on, we can offer them a shit deal and they will offer us a cracking one and then we'll make this country great again.

what shit deal will they be getting?"

So you can't have freedom of movement like we used to and obviously were are no longer going to pay those EU membership fees, but we still want the same access the single market though.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"The problem with taking control of our borders is it comes at the expense of crippling our production and export sector something the government will never do.

The EU wont agree to a trade deal without free movement (this is fact we must have all come to accept this now) and we cannot start to barter trade deals with anyone else untill article 50 is complete so if we dont barter a deal with the EU when we exit we would be in a position where we HAVE to trade with the EU but would have to do it according to WTO rules that means heafty tarriffs we already struggle to remain competetive with other countries because our welfare and production standards are so high making the cost higher tarriffs on top are costs we cant afford

Cake and eat it spring to mind. A lot of the 52% seem to take other governments for fools. Their logic relies on, we can offer them a shit deal and they will offer us a cracking one and then we'll make this country great again.

How do you know a lot of the 52% seem to take the other governments for fools?

I think it will be hard for 5 to 10 years after we leave but once we have new trade deals in place we will all be a lot better off. And the way the EU is heading when other countries see we survived they may well want to join us."

Because the logic always relies on them needing us as much or more than we need them.

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By *tillup4funMan
over a year ago

Wakefield


"The problem with taking control of our borders is it comes at the expense of crippling our production and export sector something the government will never do.

The EU wont agree to a trade deal without free movement (this is fact we must have all come to accept this now) and we cannot start to barter trade deals with anyone else untill article 50 is complete so if we dont barter a deal with the EU when we exit we would be in a position where we HAVE to trade with the EU but would have to do it according to WTO rules that means heafty tarriffs we already struggle to remain competetive with other countries because our welfare and production standards are so high making the cost higher tarriffs on top are costs we cant afford

Cake and eat it spring to mind. A lot of the 52% seem to take other governments for fools. Their logic relies on, we can offer them a shit deal and they will offer us a cracking one and then we'll make this country great again.

How do you know a lot of the 52% seem to take the other governments for fools?

I think it will be hard for 5 to 10 years after we leave but once we have new trade deals in place we will all be a lot better off. And the way the EU is heading when other countries see we survived they may well want to join us.

Because the logic always relies on them needing us as much or more than we need them."

In your opinion you mean that is not a fact and you know it.

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over a year ago


"The problem with taking control of our borders is it comes at the expense of crippling our production and export sector something the government will never do.

The EU wont agree to a trade deal without free movement (this is fact we must have all come to accept this now) and we cannot start to barter trade deals with anyone else untill article 50 is complete so if we dont barter a deal with the EU when we exit we would be in a position where we HAVE to trade with the EU but would have to do it according to WTO rules that means heafty tarriffs we already struggle to remain competetive with other countries because our welfare and production standards are so high making the cost higher tarriffs on top are costs we cant afford

Cake and eat it spring to mind. A lot of the 52% seem to take other governments for fools. Their logic relies on, we can offer them a shit deal and they will offer us a cracking one and then we'll make this country great again.

How do you know a lot of the 52% seem to take the other governments for fools?

I think it will be hard for 5 to 10 years after we leave but once we have new trade deals in place we will all be a lot better off. And the way the EU is heading when other countries see we survived they may well want to join us.

Because the logic always relies on them needing us as much or more than we need them.

In your opinion you mean that is not a fact and you know it."

It's a fact that negotiations between unequals have a 95%+ probability of coming out in favour of the stronger party. Ever read the melian dialogue?

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By *tillup4funMan
over a year ago

Wakefield


"The problem with taking control of our borders is it comes at the expense of crippling our production and export sector something the government will never do.

The EU wont agree to a trade deal without free movement (this is fact we must have all come to accept this now) and we cannot start to barter trade deals with anyone else untill article 50 is complete so if we dont barter a deal with the EU when we exit we would be in a position where we HAVE to trade with the EU but would have to do it according to WTO rules that means heafty tarriffs we already struggle to remain competetive with other countries because our welfare and production standards are so high making the cost higher tarriffs on top are costs we cant afford

Cake and eat it spring to mind. A lot of the 52% seem to take other governments for fools. Their logic relies on, we can offer them a shit deal and they will offer us a cracking one and then we'll make this country great again.

How do you know a lot of the 52% seem to take the other governments for fools?

I think it will be hard for 5 to 10 years after we leave but once we have new trade deals in place we will all be a lot better off. And the way the EU is heading when other countries see we survived they may well want to join us.

Because the logic always relies on them needing us as much or more than we need them.

In your opinion you mean that is not a fact and you know it.

It's a fact that negotiations between unequals have a 95%+ probability of coming out in favour of the stronger party. Ever read the melian dialogue? "

In a word no and your forgetting France and Germany both have elections in the very near future a lot can happen in between now and March 2019 no body knows what the out come will be.

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over a year ago


"The problem with taking control of our borders is it comes at the expense of crippling our production and export sector something the government will never do.

The EU wont agree to a trade deal without free movement (this is fact we must have all come to accept this now) and we cannot start to barter trade deals with anyone else untill article 50 is complete so if we dont barter a deal with the EU when we exit we would be in a position where we HAVE to trade with the EU but would have to do it according to WTO rules that means heafty tarriffs we already struggle to remain competetive with other countries because our welfare and production standards are so high making the cost higher tarriffs on top are costs we cant afford

Cake and eat it spring to mind. A lot of the 52% seem to take other governments for fools. Their logic relies on, we can offer them a shit deal and they will offer us a cracking one and then we'll make this country great again.

what shit deal will they be getting?

So you can't have freedom of movement like we used to and obviously were are no longer going to pay those EU membership fees, but we still want the same access the single market though. "

why not? Others do. If other countries don't want to pay the membership fees or feel they are getting no benefit from those fees then they are free to leave too

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over a year ago


"The problem with taking control of our borders is it comes at the expense of crippling our production and export sector something the government will never do.

The EU wont agree to a trade deal without free movement (this is fact we must have all come to accept this now) and we cannot start to barter trade deals with anyone else untill article 50 is complete so if we dont barter a deal with the EU when we exit we would be in a position where we HAVE to trade with the EU but would have to do it according to WTO rules that means heafty tarriffs we already struggle to remain competetive with other countries because our welfare and production standards are so high making the cost higher tarriffs on top are costs we cant afford

Cake and eat it spring to mind. A lot of the 52% seem to take other governments for fools. Their logic relies on, we can offer them a shit deal and they will offer us a cracking one and then we'll make this country great again.

How do you know a lot of the 52% seem to take the other governments for fools?

I think it will be hard for 5 to 10 years after we leave but once we have new trade deals in place we will all be a lot better off. And the way the EU is heading when other countries see we survived they may well want to join us.

Because the logic always relies on them needing us as much or more than we need them.

In your opinion you mean that is not a fact and you know it.

It's a fact that negotiations between unequals have a 95%+ probability of coming out in favour of the stronger party. Ever read the melian dialogue?

In a word no and your forgetting France and Germany both have elections in the very near future a lot can happen in between now and March 2019 no body knows what the out come will be."

But I couldn't care less about them because they are b team players in the world. There are 15 economies in the world over $1tn. Anything less than that is really not a big deal. There are 2 economies over $15tn, those are the ones I give a fuck about trading with. The world's second largest economy is more than double the size of the third place.

I'm still stumped how our economy is supposed to negotiate on equal terms with America and China?

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By *entaur_UK OP   Man
over a year ago

Cannock


"The problem with taking control of our borders is it comes at the expense of crippling our production and export sector something the government will never do.

The EU wont agree to a trade deal without free movement (this is fact we must have all come to accept this now) and we cannot start to barter trade deals with anyone else untill article 50 is complete so if we dont barter a deal with the EU when we exit we would be in a position where we HAVE to trade with the EU but would have to do it according to WTO rules that means heafty tarriffs we already struggle to remain competetive with other countries because our welfare and production standards are so high making the cost higher tarriffs on top are costs we cant afford

Cake and eat it spring to mind. A lot of the 52% seem to take other governments for fools. Their logic relies on, we can offer them a shit deal and they will offer us a cracking one and then we'll make this country great again.

what shit deal will they be getting?

So you can't have freedom of movement like we used to and obviously were are no longer going to pay those EU membership fees, but we still want the same access the single market though. "

USA has access to the single market, and they are not in the EU and they are not in the single market. The same applies to many other countries around the world. We can leave the EU and we can leave the single market but still have access to it, the same as many other countries around the world.

We can then also join the WTO, we can opt out of free movement of people from the EU (which is what a majority of the UK want) and we can completely stop paying extortionate EU membership fees. Once we have fully left the EU then we can strike up our own trade deals anywhere around the entire planet. All the time the EU is imploding and going backwards.

It's a win/win situation from where I'm standing.

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over a year ago


"The problem with taking control of our borders is it comes at the expense of crippling our production and export sector something the government will never do.

The EU wont agree to a trade deal without free movement (this is fact we must have all come to accept this now) and we cannot start to barter trade deals with anyone else untill article 50 is complete so if we dont barter a deal with the EU when we exit we would be in a position where we HAVE to trade with the EU but would have to do it according to WTO rules that means heafty tarriffs we already struggle to remain competetive with other countries because our welfare and production standards are so high making the cost higher tarriffs on top are costs we cant afford

Cake and eat it spring to mind. A lot of the 52% seem to take other governments for fools. Their logic relies on, we can offer them a shit deal and they will offer us a cracking one and then we'll make this country great again.

How do you know a lot of the 52% seem to take the other governments for fools?

I think it will be hard for 5 to 10 years after we leave but once we have new trade deals in place we will all be a lot better off. And the way the EU is heading when other countries see we survived they may well want to join us.

Because the logic always relies on them needing us as much or more than we need them.

In your opinion you mean that is not a fact and you know it.

It's a fact that negotiations between unequals have a 95%+ probability of coming out in favour of the stronger party. Ever read the melian dialogue?

In a word no and your forgetting France and Germany both have elections in the very near future a lot can happen in between now and March 2019 no body knows what the out come will be.

But I couldn't care less about them because they are b team players in the world. There are 15 economies in the world over $1tn. Anything less than that is really not a big deal. There are 2 economies over $15tn, those are the ones I give a fuck about trading with. The world's second largest economy is more than double the size of the third place.

I'm still stumped how our economy is supposed to negotiate on equal terms with America and China?"

how has Switzerland got a better deal with China than the EU has?

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By *tillup4funMan
over a year ago

Wakefield


"The problem with taking control of our borders is it comes at the expense of crippling our production and export sector something the government will never do.

The EU wont agree to a trade deal without free movement (this is fact we must have all come to accept this now) and we cannot start to barter trade deals with anyone else untill article 50 is complete so if we dont barter a deal with the EU when we exit we would be in a position where we HAVE to trade with the EU but would have to do it according to WTO rules that means heafty tarriffs we already struggle to remain competetive with other countries because our welfare and production standards are so high making the cost higher tarriffs on top are costs we cant afford

Cake and eat it spring to mind. A lot of the 52% seem to take other governments for fools. Their logic relies on, we can offer them a shit deal and they will offer us a cracking one and then we'll make this country great again.

How do you know a lot of the 52% seem to take the other governments for fools?

I think it will be hard for 5 to 10 years after we leave but once we have new trade deals in place we will all be a lot better off. And the way the EU is heading when other countries see we survived they may well want to join us.

Because the logic always relies on them needing us as much or more than we need them.

In your opinion you mean that is not a fact and you know it.

It's a fact that negotiations between unequals have a 95%+ probability of coming out in favour of the stronger party. Ever read the melian dialogue?

In a word no and your forgetting France and Germany both have elections in the very near future a lot can happen in between now and March 2019 no body knows what the out come will be.

But I couldn't care less about them because they are b team players in the world. There are 15 economies in the world over $1tn. Anything less than that is really not a big deal. There are 2 economies over $15tn, those are the ones I give a fuck about trading with. The world's second largest economy is more than double the size of the third place.

I'm still stumped how our economy is supposed to negotiate on equal terms with America and China?"

Why do we have to deal with the US and China their are plenty of other countries to do deals with but bottom line is we will all have to wait and see.

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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago

North West


"The problem with taking control of our borders is it comes at the expense of crippling our production and export sector something the government will never do.

The EU wont agree to a trade deal without free movement (this is fact we must have all come to accept this now) and we cannot start to barter trade deals with anyone else untill article 50 is complete so if we dont barter a deal with the EU when we exit we would be in a position where we HAVE to trade with the EU but would have to do it according to WTO rules that means heafty tarriffs we already struggle to remain competetive with other countries because our welfare and production standards are so high making the cost higher tarriffs on top are costs we cant afford

Cake and eat it spring to mind. A lot of the 52% seem to take other governments for fools. Their logic relies on, we can offer them a shit deal and they will offer us a cracking one and then we'll make this country great again.

How do you know a lot of the 52% seem to take the other governments for fools?

I think it will be hard for 5 to 10 years after we leave but once we have new trade deals in place we will all be a lot better off. And the way the EU is heading when other countries see we survived they may well want to join us.

Because the logic always relies on them needing us as much or more than we need them.

In your opinion you mean that is not a fact and you know it.

It's a fact that negotiations between unequals have a 95%+ probability of coming out in favour of the stronger party. Ever read the melian dialogue?

In a word no and your forgetting France and Germany both have elections in the very near future a lot can happen in between now and March 2019 no body knows what the out come will be."

What do you think will be the consequences of the German and French elections on the two year U.K. exit negotiations? Do you think that the EU will rush them through without knowing what is going to happen politically with Grance and Germany? Or do you think the EU will run the clock down in the absolute conviction that what is going on within the EU is far more important than dealing with someone who wants to leave and who is getting increasingly desperate to cut an exit deal?

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By *entaur_UK OP   Man
over a year ago

Cannock


"The problem with taking control of our borders is it comes at the expense of crippling our production and export sector something the government will never do.

The EU wont agree to a trade deal without free movement (this is fact we must have all come to accept this now) and we cannot start to barter trade deals with anyone else untill article 50 is complete so if we dont barter a deal with the EU when we exit we would be in a position where we HAVE to trade with the EU but would have to do it according to WTO rules that means heafty tarriffs we already struggle to remain competetive with other countries because our welfare and production standards are so high making the cost higher tarriffs on top are costs we cant afford

Cake and eat it spring to mind. A lot of the 52% seem to take other governments for fools. Their logic relies on, we can offer them a shit deal and they will offer us a cracking one and then we'll make this country great again.

How do you know a lot of the 52% seem to take the other governments for fools?

I think it will be hard for 5 to 10 years after we leave but once we have new trade deals in place we will all be a lot better off. And the way the EU is heading when other countries see we survived they may well want to join us.

Because the logic always relies on them needing us as much or more than we need them.

In your opinion you mean that is not a fact and you know it.

It's a fact that negotiations between unequals have a 95%+ probability of coming out in favour of the stronger party. Ever read the melian dialogue? "

Britain is the 5th largest economy in the world, so only 4 countries will be the stronger party than us in negotiations for new trade deals.

So you are saying 95% probability we will be getting good trade deals from every country in the world with smaller economy than ours. Sounds pretty good to me.

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over a year ago


"The problem with taking control of our borders is it comes at the expense of crippling our production and export sector something the government will never do.

The EU wont agree to a trade deal without free movement (this is fact we must have all come to accept this now) and we cannot start to barter trade deals with anyone else untill article 50 is complete so if we dont barter a deal with the EU when we exit we would be in a position where we HAVE to trade with the EU but would have to do it according to WTO rules that means heafty tarriffs we already struggle to remain competetive with other countries because our welfare and production standards are so high making the cost higher tarriffs on top are costs we cant afford

Cake and eat it spring to mind. A lot of the 52% seem to take other governments for fools. Their logic relies on, we can offer them a shit deal and they will offer us a cracking one and then we'll make this country great again.

How do you know a lot of the 52% seem to take the other governments for fools?

I think it will be hard for 5 to 10 years after we leave but once we have new trade deals in place we will all be a lot better off. And the way the EU is heading when other countries see we survived they may well want to join us.

Because the logic always relies on them needing us as much or more than we need them.

In your opinion you mean that is not a fact and you know it.

It's a fact that negotiations between unequals have a 95%+ probability of coming out in favour of the stronger party. Ever read the melian dialogue?

In a word no and your forgetting France and Germany both have elections in the very near future a lot can happen in between now and March 2019 no body knows what the out come will be.

But I couldn't care less about them because they are b team players in the world. There are 15 economies in the world over $1tn. Anything less than that is really not a big deal. There are 2 economies over $15tn, those are the ones I give a fuck about trading with. The world's second largest economy is more than double the size of the third place.

I'm still stumped how our economy is supposed to negotiate on equal terms with America and China?

Why do we have to deal with the US and China their are plenty of other countries to do deals with but bottom line is we will all have to wait and see."

You're asking me why we have to do deals with the world's two largest economies?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"The problem with taking control of our borders is it comes at the expense of crippling our production and export sector something the government will never do.

The EU wont agree to a trade deal without free movement (this is fact we must have all come to accept this now) and we cannot start to barter trade deals with anyone else untill article 50 is complete so if we dont barter a deal with the EU when we exit we would be in a position where we HAVE to trade with the EU but would have to do it according to WTO rules that means heafty tarriffs we already struggle to remain competetive with other countries because our welfare and production standards are so high making the cost higher tarriffs on top are costs we cant afford

Cake and eat it spring to mind. A lot of the 52% seem to take other governments for fools. Their logic relies on, we can offer them a shit deal and they will offer us a cracking one and then we'll make this country great again.

How do you know a lot of the 52% seem to take the other governments for fools?

I think it will be hard for 5 to 10 years after we leave but once we have new trade deals in place we will all be a lot better off. And the way the EU is heading when other countries see we survived they may well want to join us.

Because the logic always relies on them needing us as much or more than we need them.

In your opinion you mean that is not a fact and you know it.

It's a fact that negotiations between unequals have a 95%+ probability of coming out in favour of the stronger party. Ever read the melian dialogue?

Britain is the 5th largest economy in the world, so only 4 countries will be the stronger party than us in negotiations for new trade deals.

So you are saying 95% probability we will be getting good trade deals from every country in the world with smaller economy than ours. Sounds pretty good to me. "

You need to look at the distribution of the GDP! The 2 largest economies are the same size as the 167 smallest ones.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"The problem with taking control of our borders is it comes at the expense of crippling our production and export sector something the government will never do.

The EU wont agree to a trade deal without free movement (this is fact we must have all come to accept this now) and we cannot start to barter trade deals with anyone else untill article 50 is complete so if we dont barter a deal with the EU when we exit we would be in a position where we HAVE to trade with the EU but would have to do it according to WTO rules that means heafty tarriffs we already struggle to remain competetive with other countries because our welfare and production standards are so high making the cost higher tarriffs on top are costs we cant afford

Cake and eat it spring to mind. A lot of the 52% seem to take other governments for fools. Their logic relies on, we can offer them a shit deal and they will offer us a cracking one and then we'll make this country great again.

How do you know a lot of the 52% seem to take the other governments for fools?

I think it will be hard for 5 to 10 years after we leave but once we have new trade deals in place we will all be a lot better off. And the way the EU is heading when other countries see we survived they may well want to join us.

Because the logic always relies on them needing us as much or more than we need them.

In your opinion you mean that is not a fact and you know it.

It's a fact that negotiations between unequals have a 95%+ probability of coming out in favour of the stronger party. Ever read the melian dialogue?

In a word no and your forgetting France and Germany both have elections in the very near future a lot can happen in between now and March 2019 no body knows what the out come will be.

But I couldn't care less about them because they are b team players in the world. There are 15 economies in the world over $1tn. Anything less than that is really not a big deal. There are 2 economies over $15tn, those are the ones I give a fuck about trading with. The world's second largest economy is more than double the size of the third place.

I'm still stumped how our economy is supposed to negotiate on equal terms with America and China?

how has Switzerland got a better deal with China than the EU has?"

I don't know but I would like to?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"The problem with taking control of our borders is it comes at the expense of crippling our production and export sector something the government will never do.

The EU wont agree to a trade deal without free movement (this is fact we must have all come to accept this now) and we cannot start to barter trade deals with anyone else untill article 50 is complete so if we dont barter a deal with the EU when we exit we would be in a position where we HAVE to trade with the EU but would have to do it according to WTO rules that means heafty tarriffs we already struggle to remain competetive with other countries because our welfare and production standards are so high making the cost higher tarriffs on top are costs we cant afford

Cake and eat it spring to mind. A lot of the 52% seem to take other governments for fools. Their logic relies on, we can offer them a shit deal and they will offer us a cracking one and then we'll make this country great again.

How do you know a lot of the 52% seem to take the other governments for fools?

I think it will be hard for 5 to 10 years after we leave but once we have new trade deals in place we will all be a lot better off. And the way the EU is heading when other countries see we survived they may well want to join us.

Because the logic always relies on them needing us as much or more than we need them.

In your opinion you mean that is not a fact and you know it.

It's a fact that negotiations between unequals have a 95%+ probability of coming out in favour of the stronger party. Ever read the melian dialogue?

In a word no and your forgetting France and Germany both have elections in the very near future a lot can happen in between now and March 2019 no body knows what the out come will be.

But I couldn't care less about them because they are b team players in the world. There are 15 economies in the world over $1tn. Anything less than that is really not a big deal. There are 2 economies over $15tn, those are the ones I give a fuck about trading with. The world's second largest economy is more than double the size of the third place.

I'm still stumped how our economy is supposed to negotiate on equal terms with America and China?

how has Switzerland got a better deal with China than the EU has?

I don't know but I would like to? "

put simply because they are one voice not 28

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By *entaur_UK OP   Man
over a year ago

Cannock


"The problem with taking control of our borders is it comes at the expense of crippling our production and export sector something the government will never do.

The EU wont agree to a trade deal without free movement (this is fact we must have all come to accept this now) and we cannot start to barter trade deals with anyone else untill article 50 is complete so if we dont barter a deal with the EU when we exit we would be in a position where we HAVE to trade with the EU but would have to do it according to WTO rules that means heafty tarriffs we already struggle to remain competetive with other countries because our welfare and production standards are so high making the cost higher tarriffs on top are costs we cant afford

Cake and eat it spring to mind. A lot of the 52% seem to take other governments for fools. Their logic relies on, we can offer them a shit deal and they will offer us a cracking one and then we'll make this country great again.

How do you know a lot of the 52% seem to take the other governments for fools?

I think it will be hard for 5 to 10 years after we leave but once we have new trade deals in place we will all be a lot better off. And the way the EU is heading when other countries see we survived they may well want to join us.

Because the logic always relies on them needing us as much or more than we need them.

In your opinion you mean that is not a fact and you know it.

It's a fact that negotiations between unequals have a 95%+ probability of coming out in favour of the stronger party. Ever read the melian dialogue?

In a word no and your forgetting France and Germany both have elections in the very near future a lot can happen in between now and March 2019 no body knows what the out come will be.

But I couldn't care less about them because they are b team players in the world. There are 15 economies in the world over $1tn. Anything less than that is really not a big deal. There are 2 economies over $15tn, those are the ones I give a fuck about trading with. The world's second largest economy is more than double the size of the third place.

I'm still stumped how our economy is supposed to negotiate on equal terms with America and China?

how has Switzerland got a better deal with China than the EU has?

I don't know but I would like to? "

Answer....because the EU is shit at making trade deals.

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over a year ago


"The problem with taking control of our borders is it comes at the expense of crippling our production and export sector something the government will never do.

The EU wont agree to a trade deal without free movement (this is fact we must have all come to accept this now) and we cannot start to barter trade deals with anyone else untill article 50 is complete so if we dont barter a deal with the EU when we exit we would be in a position where we HAVE to trade with the EU but would have to do it according to WTO rules that means heafty tarriffs we already struggle to remain competetive with other countries because our welfare and production standards are so high making the cost higher tarriffs on top are costs we cant afford

Cake and eat it spring to mind. A lot of the 52% seem to take other governments for fools. Their logic relies on, we can offer them a shit deal and they will offer us a cracking one and then we'll make this country great again.

How do you know a lot of the 52% seem to take the other governments for fools?

I think it will be hard for 5 to 10 years after we leave but once we have new trade deals in place we will all be a lot better off. And the way the EU is heading when other countries see we survived they may well want to join us.

Because the logic always relies on them needing us as much or more than we need them.

In your opinion you mean that is not a fact and you know it.

It's a fact that negotiations between unequals have a 95%+ probability of coming out in favour of the stronger party. Ever read the melian dialogue?

In a word no and your forgetting France and Germany both have elections in the very near future a lot can happen in between now and March 2019 no body knows what the out come will be.

But I couldn't care less about them because they are b team players in the world. There are 15 economies in the world over $1tn. Anything less than that is really not a big deal. There are 2 economies over $15tn, those are the ones I give a fuck about trading with. The world's second largest economy is more than double the size of the third place.

I'm still stumped how our economy is supposed to negotiate on equal terms with America and China?

how has Switzerland got a better deal with China than the EU has?

I don't know but I would like to?

Answer....because the EU is shit at making trade deals. "

people think of the EU as A country doing a deal but its not

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By *tillup4funMan
over a year ago

Wakefield


"The problem with taking control of our borders is it comes at the expense of crippling our production and export sector something the government will never do.

The EU wont agree to a trade deal without free movement (this is fact we must have all come to accept this now) and we cannot start to barter trade deals with anyone else untill article 50 is complete so if we dont barter a deal with the EU when we exit we would be in a position where we HAVE to trade with the EU but would have to do it according to WTO rules that means heafty tarriffs we already struggle to remain competetive with other countries because our welfare and production standards are so high making the cost higher tarriffs on top are costs we cant afford

Cake and eat it spring to mind. A lot of the 52% seem to take other governments for fools. Their logic relies on, we can offer them a shit deal and they will offer us a cracking one and then we'll make this country great again.

How do you know a lot of the 52% seem to take the other governments for fools?

I think it will be hard for 5 to 10 years after we leave but once we have new trade deals in place we will all be a lot better off. And the way the EU is heading when other countries see we survived they may well want to join us.

Because the logic always relies on them needing us as much or more than we need them.

In your opinion you mean that is not a fact and you know it.

It's a fact that negotiations between unequals have a 95%+ probability of coming out in favour of the stronger party. Ever read the melian dialogue?

In a word no and your forgetting France and Germany both have elections in the very near future a lot can happen in between now and March 2019 no body knows what the out come will be.

What do you think will be the consequences of the German and French elections on the two year U.K. exit negotiations? Do you think that the EU will rush them through without knowing what is going to happen politically with Grance and Germany? Or do you think the EU will run the clock down in the absolute conviction that what is going on within the EU is far more important than dealing with someone who wants to leave and who is getting increasingly desperate to cut an exit deal?"

The EU can do what it likes but they know if Brexit works for us the EU is gone a lot more counties will leave so yes they will make it hard for us to leave but once we are gone they have NO control over us and that's when things will start to happen.

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By *ylonSlutTV/TS
over a year ago

Durham

We dropped to the 6th biggest economy after the referendum, due the drop in sterling. We are probably 7th now.

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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago

Cambridge


"The problem with taking control of our borders is it comes at the expense of crippling our production and export sector something the government will never do.

The EU wont agree to a trade deal without free movement (this is fact we must have all come to accept this now) and we cannot start to barter trade deals with anyone else untill article 50 is complete so if we dont barter a deal with the EU when we exit we would be in a position where we HAVE to trade with the EU but would have to do it according to WTO rules that means heafty tarriffs we already struggle to remain competetive with other countries because our welfare and production standards are so high making the cost higher tarriffs on top are costs we cant afford

Cake and eat it spring to mind. A lot of the 52% seem to take other governments for fools. Their logic relies on, we can offer them a shit deal and they will offer us a cracking one and then we'll make this country great again.

How do you know a lot of the 52% seem to take the other governments for fools?

I think it will be hard for 5 to 10 years after we leave but once we have new trade deals in place we will all be a lot better off. And the way the EU is heading when other countries see we survived they may well want to join us.

Because the logic always relies on them needing us as much or more than we need them.

In your opinion you mean that is not a fact and you know it.

It's a fact that negotiations between unequals have a 95%+ probability of coming out in favour of the stronger party. Ever read the melian dialogue?

In a word no and your forgetting France and Germany both have elections in the very near future a lot can happen in between now and March 2019 no body knows what the out come will be.

What do you think will be the consequences of the German and French elections on the two year U.K. exit negotiations? Do you think that the EU will rush them through without knowing what is going to happen politically with Grance and Germany? Or do you think the EU will run the clock down in the absolute conviction that what is going on within the EU is far more important than dealing with someone who wants to leave and who is getting increasingly desperate to cut an exit deal?

The EU can do what it likes but they know if Brexit works for us the EU is gone a lot more counties will leave so yes they will make it hard for us to leave but once we are gone they have NO control over us and that's when things will start to happen. "

You make me laugh, they wont have control over say, tariffs? They won't have control over their own immigration policies for British citizens? They won't have contol over the standards that British companies will have to meet to export to the EU? They won't have control over livestock controls onto the continent? And most importantly, as a block, they have a lot more Eurovision votes than we do!

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over a year ago


"We dropped to the 6th biggest economy after the referendum, due the drop in sterling. We are probably 7th now."

nope back to 5th.

In a few years 4th

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By *tillup4funMan
over a year ago

Wakefield


"The problem with taking control of our borders is it comes at the expense of crippling our production and export sector something the government will never do.

The EU wont agree to a trade deal without free movement (this is fact we must have all come to accept this now) and we cannot start to barter trade deals with anyone else untill article 50 is complete so if we dont barter a deal with the EU when we exit we would be in a position where we HAVE to trade with the EU but would have to do it according to WTO rules that means heafty tarriffs we already struggle to remain competetive with other countries because our welfare and production standards are so high making the cost higher tarriffs on top are costs we cant afford

Cake and eat it spring to mind. A lot of the 52% seem to take other governments for fools. Their logic relies on, we can offer them a shit deal and they will offer us a cracking one and then we'll make this country great again.

How do you know a lot of the 52% seem to take the other governments for fools?

I think it will be hard for 5 to 10 years after we leave but once we have new trade deals in place we will all be a lot better off. And the way the EU is heading when other countries see we survived they may well want to join us.

Because the logic always relies on them needing us as much or more than we need them.

In your opinion you mean that is not a fact and you know it.

It's a fact that negotiations between unequals have a 95%+ probability of coming out in favour of the stronger party. Ever read the melian dialogue?

In a word no and your forgetting France and Germany both have elections in the very near future a lot can happen in between now and March 2019 no body knows what the out come will be.

What do you think will be the consequences of the German and French elections on the two year U.K. exit negotiations? Do you think that the EU will rush them through without knowing what is going to happen politically with Grance and Germany? Or do you think the EU will run the clock down in the absolute conviction that what is going on within the EU is far more important than dealing with someone who wants to leave and who is getting increasingly desperate to cut an exit deal?

The EU can do what it likes but they know if Brexit works for us the EU is gone a lot more counties will leave so yes they will make it hard for us to leave but once we are gone they have NO control over us and that's when things will start to happen.

You make me laugh, they wont have control over say, tariffs? They won't have control over their own immigration policies for British citizens? They won't have contol over the standards that British companies will have to meet to export to the EU? They won't have control over livestock controls onto the continent? And most importantly, as a block, they have a lot more Eurovision votes than we do! "

But we,ll be FREE and tariffs work both ways plus we,ll be able to do deals with any country we like without having to wait for 27 other countries to agree.

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By *obka3Couple
over a year ago

bournemouth


"The problem with taking control of our borders is it comes at the expense of crippling our production and export sector something the government will never do.

The EU wont agree to a trade deal without free movement (this is fact we must have all come to accept this now) and we cannot start to barter trade deals with anyone else untill article 50 is complete so if we dont barter a deal with the EU when we exit we would be in a position where we HAVE to trade with the EU but would have to do it according to WTO rules that means heafty tarriffs we already struggle to remain competetive with other countries because our welfare and production standards are so high making the cost higher tarriffs on top are costs we cant afford "

But with the pound having dropped against the euro we will be much more competitive here and in the EU trade zone and any tariffs we have to pay to export they have to pay to import and dont forget we import twice as much from the EU as we export to them, they have as much to lose as we do so they will back down a long way,maybe not to totally tariff free unless we agree to free movement,which I dont see us doing, they are in the more difficult position, give us free trade and others will want to leave,play hardball and their economies will suffer more than ours unless the euro slumps. If we hold our nerve we will come out on top in the end

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By *ylonSlutTV/TS
over a year ago

Durham

How did we manage to jump back to 6th the pound hasn't recovered and there are no new figures out?

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over a year ago


"How did we manage to jump back to 6th the pound hasn't recovered and there are no new figures out?"

nowt to do with the pound

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By *tillup4funMan
over a year ago

Wakefield


"The problem with taking control of our borders is it comes at the expense of crippling our production and export sector something the government will never do.

The EU wont agree to a trade deal without free movement (this is fact we must have all come to accept this now) and we cannot start to barter trade deals with anyone else untill article 50 is complete so if we dont barter a deal with the EU when we exit we would be in a position where we HAVE to trade with the EU but would have to do it according to WTO rules that means heafty tarriffs we already struggle to remain competetive with other countries because our welfare and production standards are so high making the cost higher tarriffs on top are costs we cant afford

But with the pound having dropped against the euro we will be much more competitive here and in the EU trade zone and any tariffs we have to pay to export they have to pay to import and dont forget we import twice as much from the EU as we export to them, they have as much to lose as we do so they will back down a long way,maybe not to totally tariff free unless we agree to free movement,which I dont see us doing, they are in the more difficult position, give us free trade and others will want to leave,play hardball and their economies will suffer more than ours unless the euro slumps. If we hold our nerve we will come out on top in the end "

Agreed but your wasting your time telling the doubters on here.

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By *ylonSlutTV/TS
over a year ago

Durham


"How did we manage to jump back to 6th the pound hasn't recovered and there are no new figures out?

nowt to do with the pound"

Of course it has our economy is worth so many pounds, which with the lack of new data is the same as it was pre brexit vote. These pounds are now worth a lot less dollars/euros/ Yuans hence a smaller economy.

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By *ylonSlutTV/TS
over a year ago

Durham


"The problem with taking control of our borders is it comes at the expense of crippling our production and export sector something the government will never do.

The EU wont agree to a trade deal without free movement (this is fact we must have all come to accept this now) and we cannot start to barter trade deals with anyone else untill article 50 is complete so if we dont barter a deal with the EU when we exit we would be in a position where we HAVE to trade with the EU but would have to do it according to WTO rules that means heafty tarriffs we already struggle to remain competetive with other countries because our welfare and production standards are so high making the cost higher tarriffs on top are costs we cant afford

But with the pound having dropped against the euro we will be much more competitive here and in the EU trade zone and any tariffs we have to pay to export they have to pay to import and dont forget we import twice as much from the EU as we export to them, they have as much to lose as we do so they will back down a long way,maybe not to totally tariff free unless we agree to free movement,which I dont see us doing, they are in the more difficult position, give us free trade and others will want to leave,play hardball and their economies will suffer more than ours unless the euro slumps. If we hold our nerve we will come out on top in the end

Agreed but your wasting your time telling the doubters on here. "

You do know that know that a weak pound is bad for imports?

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By *tillup4funMan
over a year ago

Wakefield


"The problem with taking control of our borders is it comes at the expense of crippling our production and export sector something the government will never do.

The EU wont agree to a trade deal without free movement (this is fact we must have all come to accept this now) and we cannot start to barter trade deals with anyone else untill article 50 is complete so if we dont barter a deal with the EU when we exit we would be in a position where we HAVE to trade with the EU but would have to do it according to WTO rules that means heafty tarriffs we already struggle to remain competetive with other countries because our welfare and production standards are so high making the cost higher tarriffs on top are costs we cant afford

But with the pound having dropped against the euro we will be much more competitive here and in the EU trade zone and any tariffs we have to pay to export they have to pay to import and dont forget we import twice as much from the EU as we export to them, they have as much to lose as we do so they will back down a long way,maybe not to totally tariff free unless we agree to free movement,which I dont see us doing, they are in the more difficult position, give us free trade and others will want to leave,play hardball and their economies will suffer more than ours unless the euro slumps. If we hold our nerve we will come out on top in the end

Agreed but your wasting your time telling the doubters on here.

You do know that know that a weak pound is bad for imports?"

A weak pound is bad for most things but it will be worth it in the end.

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By *entaur_UK OP   Man
over a year ago

Cannock


"The problem with taking control of our borders is it comes at the expense of crippling our production and export sector something the government will never do.

The EU wont agree to a trade deal without free movement (this is fact we must have all come to accept this now) and we cannot start to barter trade deals with anyone else untill article 50 is complete so if we dont barter a deal with the EU when we exit we would be in a position where we HAVE to trade with the EU but would have to do it according to WTO rules that means heafty tarriffs we already struggle to remain competetive with other countries because our welfare and production standards are so high making the cost higher tarriffs on top are costs we cant afford

But with the pound having dropped against the euro we will be much more competitive here and in the EU trade zone and any tariffs we have to pay to export they have to pay to import and dont forget we import twice as much from the EU as we export to them, they have as much to lose as we do so they will back down a long way,maybe not to totally tariff free unless we agree to free movement,which I dont see us doing, they are in the more difficult position, give us free trade and others will want to leave,play hardball and their economies will suffer more than ours unless the euro slumps. If we hold our nerve we will come out on top in the end

Agreed but your wasting your time telling the doubters on here.

You do know that know that a weak pound is bad for imports?"

It's very good for exports though, and it seems it's very good for the FTSE, which has almost hit an all time high this week.

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By *ylonSlutTV/TS
over a year ago

Durham


"The problem with taking control of our borders is it comes at the expense of crippling our production and export sector something the government will never do.

The EU wont agree to a trade deal without free movement (this is fact we must have all come to accept this now) and we cannot start to barter trade deals with anyone else untill article 50 is complete so if we dont barter a deal with the EU when we exit we would be in a position where we HAVE to trade with the EU but would have to do it according to WTO rules that means heafty tarriffs we already struggle to remain competetive with other countries because our welfare and production standards are so high making the cost higher tarriffs on top are costs we cant afford

But with the pound having dropped against the euro we will be much more competitive here and in the EU trade zone and any tariffs we have to pay to export they have to pay to import and dont forget we import twice as much from the EU as we export to them, they have as much to lose as we do so they will back down a long way,maybe not to totally tariff free unless we agree to free movement,which I dont see us doing, they are in the more difficult position, give us free trade and others will want to leave,play hardball and their economies will suffer more than ours unless the euro slumps. If we hold our nerve we will come out on top in the end

Agreed but your wasting your time telling the doubters on here.

You do know that know that a weak pound is bad for imports?

It's very good for exports though, and it seems it's very good for the FTSE, which has almost hit an all time high this week. "

The FTSE 100 who do the majority of the business outside the UK. A weak pound is a very bad thing for the country in the medium to long term. I think most people will agree on that, regardless if you are in or out.

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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago

Cambridge


"The problem with taking control of our borders is it comes at the expense of crippling our production and export sector something the government will never do.

The EU wont agree to a trade deal without free movement (this is fact we must have all come to accept this now) and we cannot start to barter trade deals with anyone else untill article 50 is complete so if we dont barter a deal with the EU when we exit we would be in a position where we HAVE to trade with the EU but would have to do it according to WTO rules that means heafty tarriffs we already struggle to remain competetive with other countries because our welfare and production standards are so high making the cost higher tarriffs on top are costs we cant afford

But with the pound having dropped against the euro we will be much more competitive here and in the EU trade zone and any tariffs we have to pay to export they have to pay to import and dont forget we import twice as much from the EU as we export to them, they have as much to lose as we do so they will back down a long way,maybe not to totally tariff free unless we agree to free movement,which I dont see us doing, they are in the more difficult position, give us free trade and others will want to leave,play hardball and their economies will suffer more than ours unless the euro slumps. If we hold our nerve we will come out on top in the end

Agreed but your wasting your time telling the doubters on here.

You do know that know that a weak pound is bad for imports?

It's very good for exports though, and it seems it's very good for the FTSE, which has almost hit an all time high this week.

The FTSE 100 who do the majority of the business outside the UK. A weak pound is a very bad thing for the country in the medium to long term. I think most people will agree on that, regardless if you are in or out."

I doubt they will!

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over a year ago


"How did we manage to jump back to 6th the pound hasn't recovered and there are no new figures out?

nowt to do with the pound

Of course it has our economy is worth so many pounds, which with the lack of new data is the same as it was pre brexit vote. These pounds are now worth a lot less dollars/euros/ Yuans hence a smaller economy."

the latest figures I could find were from the 16th september 2016 and we were 5th. To measure it by currency is a bit simplistic. it measures the value of economic activity within a country. Strictly defined GDP is the sum of the market values or prices of all final goods and services produced in an economy during a period of time. And at that we are doing well

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over a year ago


"The problem with taking control of our borders is it comes at the expense of crippling our production and export sector something the government will never do.

The EU wont agree to a trade deal without free movement (this is fact we must have all come to accept this now) and we cannot start to barter trade deals with anyone else untill article 50 is complete so if we dont barter a deal with the EU when we exit we would be in a position where we HAVE to trade with the EU but would have to do it according to WTO rules that means heafty tarriffs we already struggle to remain competetive with other countries because our welfare and production standards are so high making the cost higher tarriffs on top are costs we cant afford

Cake and eat it spring to mind. A lot of the 52% seem to take other governments for fools. Their logic relies on, we can offer them a shit deal and they will offer us a cracking one and then we'll make this country great again.

How do you know a lot of the 52% seem to take the other governments for fools?

I think it will be hard for 5 to 10 years after we leave but once we have new trade deals in place we will all be a lot better off. And the way the EU is heading when other countries see we survived they may well want to join us.

Because the logic always relies on them needing us as much or more than we need them.

In your opinion you mean that is not a fact and you know it.

It's a fact that negotiations between unequals have a 95%+ probability of coming out in favour of the stronger party. Ever read the melian dialogue?

In a word no and your forgetting France and Germany both have elections in the very near future a lot can happen in between now and March 2019 no body knows what the out come will be.

But I couldn't care less about them because they are b team players in the world. There are 15 economies in the world over $1tn. Anything less than that is really not a big deal. There are 2 economies over $15tn, those are the ones I give a fuck about trading with. The world's second largest economy is more than double the size of the third place.

I'm still stumped how our economy is supposed to negotiate on equal terms with America and China?

how has Switzerland got a better deal with China than the EU has?

I don't know but I would like to?

put simply because they are one voice not 28 "

It's one of those situations where I'd be happy to be wrong.

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By *tillup4funMan
over a year ago

Wakefield


"The problem with taking control of our borders is it comes at the expense of crippling our production and export sector something the government will never do.

The EU wont agree to a trade deal without free movement (this is fact we must have all come to accept this now) and we cannot start to barter trade deals with anyone else untill article 50 is complete so if we dont barter a deal with the EU when we exit we would be in a position where we HAVE to trade with the EU but would have to do it according to WTO rules that means heafty tarriffs we already struggle to remain competetive with other countries because our welfare and production standards are so high making the cost higher tarriffs on top are costs we cant afford

Cake and eat it spring to mind. A lot of the 52% seem to take other governments for fools. Their logic relies on, we can offer them a shit deal and they will offer us a cracking one and then we'll make this country great again.

How do you know a lot of the 52% seem to take the other governments for fools?

I think it will be hard for 5 to 10 years after we leave but once we have new trade deals in place we will all be a lot better off. And the way the EU is heading when other countries see we survived they may well want to join us.

Because the logic always relies on them needing us as much or more than we need them.

In your opinion you mean that is not a fact and you know it.

It's a fact that negotiations between unequals have a 95%+ probability of coming out in favour of the stronger party. Ever read the melian dialogue?

In a word no and your forgetting France and Germany both have elections in the very near future a lot can happen in between now and March 2019 no body knows what the out come will be.

But I couldn't care less about them because they are b team players in the world. There are 15 economies in the world over $1tn. Anything less than that is really not a big deal. There are 2 economies over $15tn, those are the ones I give a fuck about trading with. The world's second largest economy is more than double the size of the third place.

I'm still stumped how our economy is supposed to negotiate on equal terms with America and China?

how has Switzerland got a better deal with China than the EU has?

I don't know but I would like to?

put simply because they are one voice not 28

It's one of those situations where I'd be happy to be wrong. "

I think you are wrong about a lot of things but its just my opinion no one knows what will happen until it does.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"The problem with taking control of our borders is it comes at the expense of crippling our production and export sector something the government will never do.

The EU wont agree to a trade deal without free movement (this is fact we must have all come to accept this now) and we cannot start to barter trade deals with anyone else untill article 50 is complete so if we dont barter a deal with the EU when we exit we would be in a position where we HAVE to trade with the EU but would have to do it according to WTO rules that means heafty tarriffs we already struggle to remain competetive with other countries because our welfare and production standards are so high making the cost higher tarriffs on top are costs we cant afford

Cake and eat it spring to mind. A lot of the 52% seem to take other governments for fools. Their logic relies on, we can offer them a shit deal and they will offer us a cracking one and then we'll make this country great again.

How do you know a lot of the 52% seem to take the other governments for fools?

I think it will be hard for 5 to 10 years after we leave but once we have new trade deals in place we will all be a lot better off. And the way the EU is heading when other countries see we survived they may well want to join us.

Because the logic always relies on them needing us as much or more than we need them.

In your opinion you mean that is not a fact and you know it.

It's a fact that negotiations between unequals have a 95%+ probability of coming out in favour of the stronger party. Ever read the melian dialogue?

In a word no and your forgetting France and Germany both have elections in the very near future a lot can happen in between now and March 2019 no body knows what the out come will be.

But I couldn't care less about them because they are b team players in the world. There are 15 economies in the world over $1tn. Anything less than that is really not a big deal. There are 2 economies over $15tn, those are the ones I give a fuck about trading with. The world's second largest economy is more than double the size of the third place.

I'm still stumped how our economy is supposed to negotiate on equal terms with America and China?

how has Switzerland got a better deal with China than the EU has?

I don't know but I would like to?

put simply because they are one voice not 28

It's one of those situations where I'd be happy to be wrong.

I think you are wrong about a lot of things but its just my opinion no one knows what will happen until it does."

Best join the brier score game and then it doesn't have to be a matter of opinion

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By *tillup4funMan
over a year ago

Wakefield


"The problem with taking control of our borders is it comes at the expense of crippling our production and export sector something the government will never do.

The EU wont agree to a trade deal without free movement (this is fact we must have all come to accept this now) and we cannot start to barter trade deals with anyone else untill article 50 is complete so if we dont barter a deal with the EU when we exit we would be in a position where we HAVE to trade with the EU but would have to do it according to WTO rules that means heafty tarriffs we already struggle to remain competetive with other countries because our welfare and production standards are so high making the cost higher tarriffs on top are costs we cant afford

Cake and eat it spring to mind. A lot of the 52% seem to take other governments for fools. Their logic relies on, we can offer them a shit deal and they will offer us a cracking one and then we'll make this country great again.

How do you know a lot of the 52% seem to take the other governments for fools?

I think it will be hard for 5 to 10 years after we leave but once we have new trade deals in place we will all be a lot better off. And the way the EU is heading when other countries see we survived they may well want to join us.

Because the logic always relies on them needing us as much or more than we need them.

In your opinion you mean that is not a fact and you know it.

It's a fact that negotiations between unequals have a 95%+ probability of coming out in favour of the stronger party. Ever read the melian dialogue?

In a word no and your forgetting France and Germany both have elections in the very near future a lot can happen in between now and March 2019 no body knows what the out come will be.

But I couldn't care less about them because they are b team players in the world. There are 15 economies in the world over $1tn. Anything less than that is really not a big deal. There are 2 economies over $15tn, those are the ones I give a fuck about trading with. The world's second largest economy is more than double the size of the third place.

I'm still stumped how our economy is supposed to negotiate on equal terms with America and China?

how has Switzerland got a better deal with China than the EU has?

I don't know but I would like to?

put simply because they are one voice not 28

It's one of those situations where I'd be happy to be wrong.

I think you are wrong about a lot of things but its just my opinion no one knows what will happen until it does.

Best join the brier score game and then it doesn't have to be a matter of opinion "

No thanks I,ll stay with just having an opinion.

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By *oorland2Couple
over a year ago

Stoke


"My question is will the eu do everything possible to make it difficult for the uk to deter other countries from leaving. "

You can bet this weeks pay packet on that with out a doubt

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