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"I don't see any problems with this as air guns can cause serious harm both to people and animals. If someone is using it for target practice fun under controlled conditions then there is nothing wrong in that but just letting any idiot have one is a recipie for disaster" very true petrol does a lot of harm too, as does killer, knives, cars if not driven properly, and god forbid if any kid makes a bow & arrow | |||
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"I don't see any problems with this as air guns can cause serious harm both to people and animals. If someone is using it for target practice fun under controlled conditions then there is nothing wrong in that but just letting any idiot have one is a recipie for disaster very true petrol does a lot of harm too, as does killer, knives, cars if not driven properly, and god forbid if any kid makes a bow & arrow" And you are not allowed to purchase petrol, knives or drive a car if you are under 16 so what was the point of that comment? | |||
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"I don't see any problems with this as air guns can cause serious harm both to people and animals. If someone is using it for target practice fun under controlled conditions then there is nothing wrong in that but just letting any idiot have one is a recipie for disaster very true petrol does a lot of harm too, as does killer, knives, cars if not driven properly, and god forbid if any kid makes a bow & arrow And you are not allowed to purchase petrol, knives or drive a car if you are under 16 so what was the point of that comment?" you are the only one that has mentioned an age limit!!!!!! you do realise the new legislation for air rifles is for everyone, regardless of age | |||
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"Problem is no one knows who has what. So the irresponsible wont register it. " What a load of tosh. Who has what ! Air guns are pressure regulated.There will always be those who adjust them. gun licences do not have any effects on crime as those with them generally do not shoot people. I have Both I do not shoot at targets. | |||
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"guess the days of kids heading off into the woods and up the hills with their air rifles is now a thing of the past" Sounds like Scotland needs to take back control | |||
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"Fact is there has always been controls on air weapons, it is just that air weapons with a muzzle pressure of less than 12 ft lbs (if memory serves) were exempted. With the growth in suppressed (silenced) magazine fed air rifles with air reservoirs holding up to 200 bar of pressure that once bought can with relative ease be altered to fire with much higher muzzle pressures coupled to heavy much more accurate and damaging ballistic shot and the availability of manual high pressure manual pumps to refill the air reservoirs and night scopes it is surprising it has taken so long for the law to to be changed. For those who think this change in the law is overkill and don't believe what I have said google 'HATSAN AT44X-10 TH SYN PACKAGE .22' or 'WEIHRAUCH HW100T .22' read their specs and the extras available to use with them and ask yourself if you still think this law is overkill. " I an glad you support
I expect you will write to your MP and ask they fight for this law in England & Wales too
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I expect you will write to your MP and ask they fight for this law in England & Wales too
It is good to see you are thinking of the innocent children, animals and all others "I haven't checked lately, but I believe the changes to firearms legislation are already in hand. I take it from your comment that you do know about the rifles I mentioned or the others like them. So forgive me for making the reason for my support clearer for those who don't really understand how powerful modern air rifles are. I used to have 2 air rifles when I was younger, one was pump up and took about a minute to pump up and overcharging caused the seal to break and it leaked, the second was a spring powered piston rifle. Both were slow firing and inaccurate at anything over about 10 yards. Today I have access to 2 suppressed precharged magazine fed bolt action air rifles that can fire 4 to 5 10 round magazines on one charge of air, and the magazine can be changed in less than 10 seconds. Meaning I can fire 40 to 50 shots that kill rabbits and wood pigeons at 25+ yards in about 2 minutes if I wish. Add to this the fact that if I wished I could purchase a portable 300 bar recharging cylinder that could recharge the rifle in less than a minute (in the field) I believe that there is no comparison between modern air rifles and the Webley's we remember from our youth. These are serious weapons, not toys for use in back gardens and need controlling. | |||
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"We have no problems with air rifles in England and Wales, if Scottish people feel that they have a problem with them, and can’t trust their citizens to handle them, then they should legislate to control it. Also Dunblane was a problem with a Scottish citizen, as we don’t have the same problem, I don’t see why regular handguns should be illegal in England and Wales when they aren’t in say NI and the Isle of Man." You tell em cowboy, yee ha  | |||
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"We have no problems with air rifles in England and Wales, if Scottish people feel that they have a problem with them, and can’t trust their citizens to handle them, then they should legislate to control it. Also Dunblane was a problem with a Scottish citizen, as we don’t have the same problem, I don’t see why regular handguns should be illegal in England and Wales when they aren’t in say NI and the Isle of Man." Really? Ever hear of Micheal Ryan? Or Hungerford? Because unless it has moved and history has changed in the last couple of hours it in Berkshire England and Michael Ryan's killing spry was what led to the first major tightening of firearms regulations in this country and the banning of public ownership of semi-automatic centre fire weapons and most pump action shotguns.  | |||
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"We have no problems with air rifles in England and Wales, if Scottish people feel that they have a problem with them, and can’t trust their citizens to handle them, then they should legislate to control it. Also Dunblane was a problem with a Scottish citizen, as we don’t have the same problem, I don’t see why regular handguns should be illegal in England and Wales when they aren’t in say NI and the Isle of Man. Really? Ever hear of Micheal Ryan? Or Hungerford? Because unless it has moved and history has changed in the last couple of hours it in Berkshire England and Michael Ryan's killing spry was what led to the first major tightening of firearms regulations in this country and the banning of public ownership of semi-automatic centre fire weapons and most pump action shotguns. "Yes, really. | |||
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"Wait were you sarcastically complaining at the regulation or applauding the increase? Personally I think they should be treated the same way 'weapons' from martial arts are. You can have them, but if it something which could be used aggressively and cause fatal wounds with one strike, a license is required and should be stored in a secure area preferably on/in the club/society training grounds." I think he is sarcastically complaining, but he can't come out and say that, because that would mean that independence doesn't guarantee happiness for 100% of the population all the time like he likes to pretend  It was much easier for him when he could just blame things like this on the English down in Westminster  | |||
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"Wait were you sarcastically complaining at the regulation or applauding the increase? Personally I think they should be treated the same way 'weapons' from martial arts are. You can have them, but if it something which could be used aggressively and cause fatal wounds with one strike, a license is required and should be stored in a secure area preferably on/in the club/society training grounds. I think he is sarcastically complaining, but he can't come out and say that, because that would mean that independence doesn't guarantee happiness for 100% of the population all the time like he likes to pretend It was much easier for him when he could just blame things like this on the English down in Westminster "wow wow wow, get of your high horse I have said all along there are many things I do not agree on with snp policy, such as gay marriage, lowering of drink / drive limit and a few others, but I still consider them the best party to stand up for Scotland, there is no other party or leader capable at this time. air weapons have no effect on me, I just think its a shame that the actions of so few effect so many and restrict ownership. All boys, some girls too grew up with airguns, just a part of their schoolhood, finish school rush home, pick up the air guns and off into the woods, fields or farms, was just a way of life for many. Some say this will happen only in Scotland (remember the poll tax)
So many townies think that shooting only happens in clubs, they forget people live in the countryside with acres of homeland. | |||
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"Wait were you sarcastically complaining at the regulation or applauding the increase? Personally I think they should be treated the same way 'weapons' from martial arts are. You can have them, but if it something which could be used aggressively and cause fatal wounds with one strike, a license is required and should be stored in a secure area preferably on/in the club/society training grounds. I think he is sarcastically complaining, but he can't come out and say that, because that would mean that independence doesn't guarantee happiness for 100% of the population all the time like he likes to pretend It was much easier for him when he could just blame things like this on the English down in Westminster
wow wow wow, get of your high horse
I have said all along there are many things I do not agree on with snp policy, such as gay marriage, lowering of drink / drive limit and a few others, but I still consider them the best party to stand up for Scotland, there is no other party or leader capable at this time.
air weapons have no effect on me, I just think its a shame that the actions of so few effect so many and restrict ownership.
All boys, some girls too grew up with airguns, just a part of their schoolhood, finish school rush home, pick up the air guns and off into the woods, fields or farms, was just a way of life for many.
Some say this will happen only in Scotland (remember the poll tax)
So many townies think that shooting only happens in clubs, they forget people live in the countryside with acres of homeland."All you are doing is exposing the absolute independence fallacy, be it Scottish or Brexit, that you’re not happy with being ruled from one place, but you will be perfectly happy to be ruled from another. The reality is, it doesn’t matter if you are ruled from the moon, Brussels, Westminster, Edinburgh or down the road, around 50% of the population are going to be pissed off with the decisions made. So it turned out that you don’t feel all warm and fuzzy inside because townies in Edinburgh are taking away the airguns instead of townies in London. | |||
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"Fact is there has always been controls on air weapons, it is just that air weapons with a muzzle pressure of less than 12 ft lbs (if memory serves) were exempted. With the growth in suppressed (silenced) magazine fed air rifles with air reservoirs holding up to 200 bar of pressure that once bought can with relative ease be altered to fire with much higher muzzle pressures coupled to heavy much more accurate and damaging ballistic shot and the availability of manual high pressure manual pumps to refill the air reservoirs and night scopes it is surprising it has taken so long for the law to to be changed. For those who think this change in the law is overkill and don't believe what I have said google 'HATSAN AT44X-10 TH SYN PACKAGE .22' or 'WEIHRAUCH HW100T .22' read their specs and the extras available to use with them and ask yourself if you still think this law is overkill. " If you get caught with an air rifle over 12flb now without a firearms certificate you are already fucked!! This law makes no difference to the control of that, It's already a legal requirement. Me I have many air rifles mainly Theoben all chrono tested and set up at 11.5 ft lb as I find that the best for accuracy and shot count. I have however got a few hand made catapults that fire a 10 or 12mm lead ball using theraband which actually when tested produce way more energy than a sub 12ftlb gun ,I can fire that's nearly as fast if not faster in close quarters and pretty accurately also just take a look at these types of catapults on YouTube... where will these laws end its ridiculous As said before the people who will commit crime with airguns won't be people that will register them ... what's the point? I doubt any bank robber with a sawn off has it on a certificate, do you ..?? I live and grew up in the country and spent countless hours plinking tin cans and bottle tops etc shot the odd pigeon but plucked it gutted it and ate it . I just think it's a shame this nanny state is limiting even more of our lives and many children won't be as fortunate as I was to enjoy that sort of thing .. all they will have left is to get obese sitting playing computer games. When this world turns to crap , when there's no electricity because some terrorist has shut down the grid , then what? the new generation are going to be buggered!! Me ... I'll not be dying of hunger at least . | |||
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"If you get caught with an air rifle over 12flb now without a firearms certificate you are already fucked!! This law makes no difference to the control of that, It's already a legal requirement. Me I have many air rifles mainly Theoben all chrono tested and set up at 11.5 ft lb as I find that the best for accuracy and shot count. I have however got a few hand made catapults that fire a 10 or 12mm lead ball using theraband which actually when tested produce way more energy than a sub 12ftlb gun ,I can fire that's nearly as fast if not faster in close quarters and pretty accurately also just take a look at these types of catapults on YouTube... where will these laws end its ridiculous As said before the people who will commit crime with airguns won't be people that will register them ... what's the point? I doubt any bank robber with a sawn off has it on a certificate, do you ..?? I live and grew up in the country and spent countless hours plinking tin cans and bottle tops etc shot the odd pigeon but plucked it gutted it and ate it . I just think it's a shame this nanny state is limiting even more of our lives and many children won't be as fortunate as I was to enjoy that sort of thing .. all they will have left is to get obese sitting playing computer games. When this world turns to crap , when there's no electricity because some terrorist has shut down the grid , then what? the new generation are going to be buggered!! Me ... I'll not be dying of hunger at least . "We both understand what the latest generation of air weapons and there ancillaries are capable of. So please excuse the analogy, but our air weapons laws are similar to US firearms laws. Our laws have been superseded by the developments of technology. I fully understand (and sympathise) with what you are saying. Maybe the changes in the law are OTT and maybe even slightly draconian, and maybe all that should happen is that pre-charged weapons should be made FAC air weapons. But if we are honest we know that the manufacturers will just see the law as a new technical hurdle to be overcome and will immediately start work on ways to circumvent the law in order to improve market share and increase profits. I am sorry to say but with this in mind I see no alternative but to restrict access to all air weapons. | |||
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"If you get caught with an air rifle over 12flb now without a firearms certificate you are already fucked!! This law makes no difference to the control of that, It's already a legal requirement. Me I have many air rifles mainly Theoben all chrono tested and set up at 11.5 ft lb as I find that the best for accuracy and shot count. I have however got a few hand made catapults that fire a 10 or 12mm lead ball using theraband which actually when tested produce way more energy than a sub 12ftlb gun ,I can fire that's nearly as fast if not faster in close quarters and pretty accurately also just take a look at these types of catapults on YouTube... where will these laws end its ridiculous As said before the people who will commit crime with airguns won't be people that will register them ... what's the point? I doubt any bank robber with a sawn off has it on a certificate, do you ..?? I live and grew up in the country and spent countless hours plinking tin cans and bottle tops etc shot the odd pigeon but plucked it gutted it and ate it . I just think it's a shame this nanny state is limiting even more of our lives and many children won't be as fortunate as I was to enjoy that sort of thing .. all they will have left is to get obese sitting playing computer games. When this world turns to crap , when there's no electricity because some terrorist has shut down the grid , then what? the new generation are going to be buggered!! Me ... I'll not be dying of hunger at least .
We both understand what the latest generation of air weapons and there ancillaries are capable of. So please excuse the analogy, but our air weapons laws are similar to US firearms laws. Our laws have been superseded by the developments of technology.
I fully understand (and sympathise) with what you are saying. Maybe the changes in the law are OTT and maybe even slightly draconian, and maybe all that should happen is that pre-charged weapons should be made FAC air weapons. But if we are honest we know that the manufacturers will just see the law as a new technical hurdle to be overcome and will immediately start work on ways to circumvent the law in order to improve market share and increase profits.
I am sorry to say but with this in mind I see no alternative but to restrict access to all air weapons."Why? What problem is there with air weapons? How many people are killed or seriously injured with air weapons compared to motorbikes, horse riding, mountain biking etc? With the current legislation GB athletes cant even train in their own country for Olympic sports, a rather daft situation if you ask me. | |||
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"Problem is no one knows who has what. So the irresponsible wont register it. What a load of tosh. Who has what ! Air guns are pressure regulated.There will always be those who adjust them. gun licences do not have any effects on crime as those with them generally do not shoot people. I have Both I do not shoot at targets. " no targets? sounds like you live out a fantasy where you shoot local wildlife.. I have seen the local morons dress us like rambo to shoot cats, ducks, sparrows etc.. Thinking they're dead macho. You the same to get yous kicks or do you shoot at passing cars or hats off people's heads? | |||
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"Why? What problem is there with air weapons? How many people are killed or seriously injured with air weapons compared to motorbikes, horse riding, mountain biking etc? With the current legislation GB athletes cant even train in their own country for Olympic sports, a rather daft situation if you ask me." Now I find that answer very funny. I could be listening to a spokesman for the NRA defending the second amendment of the US constitution. And to be absolutely clear, I have hunting legal access to both FAC and non FAC weapons and some 300+ acres of hunting across 2 farms. How much access to such weapons do you have? Further I have know about proposals to make these changes for over 2 years now, and considering that enactment of law is almost always reactive rather than proactive I have to question the assertion that there is no problem and wonder if the reality is that there is a problem but it has been kept out of the public eye in order to allow time for the law to catch up with the problem. Maybe in the future we will find out that unregulated pre-charged air weapons have converted for criminal use in the same way as replicas were in the 90's and early naughties. | |||
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"Why? What problem is there with air weapons? How many people are killed or seriously injured with air weapons compared to motorbikes, horse riding, mountain biking etc? With the current legislation GB athletes cant even train in their own country for Olympic sports, a rather daft situation if you ask me. Now I find that answer very funny. I could be listening to a spokesman for the NRA defending the second amendment of the US constitution. And to be absolutely clear, I have hunting legal access to both FAC and non FAC weapons and some 300+ acres of hunting across 2 farms. How much access to such weapons do you have? Further I have know about proposals to make these changes for over 2 years now, and considering that enactment of law is almost always reactive rather than proactive I have to question the assertion that there is no problem and wonder if the reality is that there is a problem but it has been kept out of the public eye in order to allow time for the law to catch up with the problem. Maybe in the future we will find out that unregulated pre-charged air weapons have converted for criminal use in the same way as replicas were in the 90's and early naughties." Do you think I have access to firearms or not? There are so many important things that legislatures could do, but they don't have the time because they waste it on ridiculous crap like this. If there isn't a problem, don't bother legislating against it. All countries and parties are guilty of it, like American states passing laws about trans people using toilets, or Blair when he made it illegal to detonate nuclear weapons without authorisation, I wonder how many people have been deterred by that useless piece of legislation. | |||
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" I wonder how many people have been deterred by that useless piece of legislation." . I wasn't!. It's getting hold of that dammed cesium, plutonium and uranium that I found problematic | |||
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" or Blair when he made it illegal to detonate nuclear weapons without authorisation, I wonder how many people have been deterred by that useless piece of legislation." Maybe that piece of legislation was to close a loophole in the law that allowed the commanders in the field to use all weapons available (that means atomic weapons if they have them) without a direct orders under certain circumstances. Not saying that is the reason, but...;-) | |||
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"Why? What problem is there with air weapons? How many people are killed or seriously injured with air weapons compared to motorbikes, horse riding, mountain biking etc? With the current legislation GB athletes cant even train in their own country for Olympic sports, a rather daft situation if you ask me. Now I find that answer very funny. I could be listening to a spokesman for the NRA defending the second amendment of the US constitution. And to be absolutely clear, I have hunting legal access to both FAC and non FAC weapons and some 300+ acres of hunting across 2 farms. How much access to such weapons do you have? Further I have know about proposals to make these changes for over 2 years now, and considering that enactment of law is almost always reactive rather than proactive I have to question the assertion that there is no problem and wonder if the reality is that there is a problem but it has been kept out of the public eye in order to allow time for the law to catch up with the problem. Maybe in the future we will find out that unregulated pre-charged air weapons have converted for criminal use in the same way as replicas were in the 90's and early naughties." Interesting; you have hunting legal access to both FAC and non FAC weapons what would the "non FAC weapons be? and specifically what do you hunt with these "non FAC weapons" and what indeed to you hunt with your FAC controlled weapons and what do you use exactly I think you will know where I am coming from on this question, will be interesting to read how you reply | |||
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"Why? What problem is there with air weapons? How many people are killed or seriously injured with air weapons compared to motorbikes, horse riding, mountain biking etc? With the current legislation GB athletes cant even train in their own country for Olympic sports, a rather daft situation if you ask me. Now I find that answer very funny. I could be listening to a spokesman for the NRA defending the second amendment of the US constitution. And to be absolutely clear, I have hunting legal access to both FAC and non FAC weapons and some 300+ acres of hunting across 2 farms. How much access to such weapons do you have? Further I have know about proposals to make these changes for over 2 years now, and considering that enactment of law is almost always reactive rather than proactive I have to question the assertion that there is no problem and wonder if the reality is that there is a problem but it has been kept out of the public eye in order to allow time for the law to catch up with the problem. Maybe in the future we will find out that unregulated pre-charged air weapons have converted for criminal use in the same way as replicas were in the 90's and early naughties. Interesting; you have hunting legal access to both FAC and non FAC weapons what would the "non FAC weapons be? and specifically what do you hunt with these "non FAC weapons" and what indeed to you hunt with your FAC controlled weapons and what do you use exactly I think you will know where I am coming from on this question, will be interesting to read how you reply "Mainly rabbiting, but when the seed crops are maturing prior to harvest I also hunt wood-pigeon and in season one of the farmers has given permission to take any pheasants I and my friend find on his land (unusual I know (most farmers sell that shooting right) but he is old and one of my friends has know him for 40+ years since childhood and helps out on farm). We mainly use non FAC suppressed air rifles as it takes more skill to get close enough to guarantee quick kills with head-shots (also makes better eating if not worried about breaking teeth on a pellet) but also have a couple of single shot suppressed FAC air rifles that are, one is tested at 30 and the other 60 ft lbs. But to be honest after using them a few times I don't bother as they are a pain (pellets in pockets, fiddly to load [right handed weapons, and I,m left handed])(friends use them unsuppressed when lamping). The other weapon I have use of (again right handed) is a single shot .223 with a MV of about 1800fps, but again only used it a few times. Too much hassle transporting it, cost of ammo and it makes too much noise when used, really a vanity weapon when used rabbiting. Friends use it for killing foxes on one of the farms. | |||
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"Why? What problem is there with air weapons? How many people are killed or seriously injured with air weapons compared to motorbikes, horse riding, mountain biking etc? With the current legislation GB athletes cant even train in their own country for Olympic sports, a rather daft situation if you ask me. Now I find that answer very funny. I could be listening to a spokesman for the NRA defending the second amendment of the US constitution. And to be absolutely clear, I have hunting legal access to both FAC and non FAC weapons and some 300+ acres of hunting across 2 farms. How much access to such weapons do you have? Further I have know about proposals to make these changes for over 2 years now, and considering that enactment of law is almost always reactive rather than proactive I have to question the assertion that there is no problem and wonder if the reality is that there is a problem but it has been kept out of the public eye in order to allow time for the law to catch up with the problem. Maybe in the future we will find out that unregulated pre-charged air weapons have converted for criminal use in the same way as replicas were in the 90's and early naughties. Interesting; you have hunting legal access to both FAC and non FAC weapons what would the "non FAC weapons be? and specifically what do you hunt with these "non FAC weapons" and what indeed to you hunt with your FAC controlled weapons and what do you use exactly I think you will know where I am coming from on this question, will be interesting to read how you reply
Mainly rabbiting, but when the seed crops are maturing prior to harvest I also hunt wood-pigeon and in season one of the farmers has given permission to take any pheasants I and my friend find on his land (unusual I know (most farmers sell that shooting right) but he is old and one of my friends has know him for 40+ years since childhood and helps out on farm).
We mainly use non FAC suppressed air rifles as it takes more skill to get close enough to guarantee quick kills with head-shots (also makes better eating if not worried about breaking teeth on a pellet) but also have a couple of single shot suppressed FAC air rifles that are, one is tested at 30 and the other 60 ft lbs. But to be honest after using them a few times I don't bother as they are a pain (pellets in pockets, fiddly to load [right handed weapons, and I,m left handed])(friends use them unsuppressed when lamping). The other weapon I have use of (again right handed) is a single shot .223 with a MV of about 1800fps, but again only used it a few times. Too much hassle transporting it, cost of ammo and it makes too much noise when used, really a vanity weapon when used rabbiting. Friends use it for killing foxes on one of the farms."Fair comment Will, and good answer I only asked as I know some hunt deer with cross bow and we all know that is highly illegal | |||
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"Fair comment Will, and good answer I only asked as I know some hunt deer with cross bow and we all know that is highly illegal" Funny thing is I have a 80lb 30in draw trad yew longbow (custom made by Dave bickerstaffe years ago) which should most definitely be a licensed weapon but probably never will. | |||
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