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"In view if the changing political landscape , is it not time that all votes in a general election counted equally ? Where I live if you don't vote labour it's a wasted vote an I don't !" Your vote is still equal to everyone elses and if more Vote different to you then , well it's obvious really. | |||
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"In view if the changing political landscape , is it not time that all votes in a general election counted equally ? Where I live if you don't vote labour it's a wasted vote an I don't !" Nothing will change if you give up voting the Labour majority will just be higher, nobody thought Vote Leave would win but they did.  | |||
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"In view if the changing political landscape , is it not time that all votes in a general election counted equally ? Where I live if you don't vote labour it's a wasted vote an I don't !" kind of similar up in Scotland, if you don't vote SNP in the whole of Scotland, it is a wasted vote  | |||
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"In view if the changing political landscape , is it not time that all votes in a general election counted equally ? Where I live if you don't vote labour it's a wasted vote an I don't !" As long as party politics don't get in the way then PR is a good idea....a balanced group of people working for the good of the country....I can't see any major political party agreeing to it though and even if they did the parliamentary wranglings would simply mean that nothing would get done. | |||
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"In view if the changing political landscape , is it not time that all votes in a general election counted equally ? Where I live if you don't vote labour it's a wasted vote an I don't ! As long as party politics don't get in the way then PR is a good idea....a balanced group of people working for the good of the country....I can't see any major political party agreeing to it though and even if they did the parliamentary wranglings would simply mean that nothing would get done." I guess you have forgotten the referendum we had about it just a few years ago then. | |||
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"In view if the changing political landscape , is it not time that all votes in a general election counted equally ? Where I live if you don't vote labour it's a wasted vote an I don't ! As long as party politics don't get in the way then PR is a good idea....a balanced group of people working for the good of the country....I can't see any major political party agreeing to it though and even if they did the parliamentary wranglings would simply mean that nothing would get done. I guess you have forgotten the referendum we had about it just a few years ago then." No | |||
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"In view if the changing political landscape , is it not time that all votes in a general election counted equally ? Where I live if you don't vote labour it's a wasted vote an I don't ! As long as party politics don't get in the way then PR is a good idea....a balanced group of people working for the good of the country....I can't see any major political party agreeing to it though and even if they did the parliamentary wranglings would simply mean that nothing would get done. I guess you have forgotten the referendum we had about it just a few years ago then. No" Oh ok, so you know that the political parties did agree to it and parliamentary wranglings didn't get in the way then? It's just your post seemed to indicate the opposite. | |||
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"PR is an awful system that allows the loonies to get more power than they deserve. For example, in Germany you have the green party who want to ban car usage at the weekend and legalise incest. First pass is an awesome system that keeps the village idiots out of politics. Only extremists of one sort or another want PR. " like Labour? | |||
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"PR is an awful system that allows the loonies to get more power than they deserve. For example, in Germany you have the green party who want to ban car usage at the weekend and legalise incest. First pass is an awesome system that keeps the village idiots out of politics. Only extremists of one sort or another want PR. like Labour? "The referendum was under a conservative/lib dem coalition remember | |||
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"PR is an awful system that allows the loonies to get more power than they deserve. For example, in Germany you have the green party who want to ban car usage at the weekend and legalise incest. First pass is an awesome system that keeps the village idiots out of politics. Only extremists of one sort or another want PR. like Labour?
The referendum was under a conservative/lib dem coalition remember"what? I was likening Labour to extremists, lighten up son | |||
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"There should be some sort of proportional representation. Then you have a better chance of there being a representative who represents more closely what you want " That only works if the voting population are all reasonably intelligent, sane and rational. Until that's the case, there are about 25% of any given population who need to be made to feel important, but stiffly ignored. First past the post is the optimal system to achieve that and that's what's best for the country. | |||
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"There should be some sort of proportional representation. Then you have a better chance of there being a representative who represents more closely what you want: The problem is; There are numerous versions; so which do you want? AV? STV? Party list PR? Mixed Member list PR? Open list? Closed list? One stage voting? Two stage voting? Two choice voting? Ranking all candidates during voting? The previous referendum only had one option ( and most people didn't understand what was being asked anyway, and many didn't care ). And even that one option ( Alternative vote) has several variations. So you have to either have a multiple choice referendum, or several referendums each asking whether to have no change, or one of the alternatives. So nothing will happen until the alternative system or systems have been decided. " They all have positives and negatives, as does first past the post, there is no perfect system. | |||
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"In view if the changing political landscape , is it not time that all votes in a general election counted equally ? Where I live if you don't vote labour it's a wasted vote an I don't ! As long as party politics don't get in the way then PR is a good idea....a balanced group of people working for the good of the country....I can't see any major political party agreeing to it though and even if they did the parliamentary wranglings would simply mean that nothing would get done. I guess you have forgotten the referendum we had about it just a few years ago then. No Oh ok, so you know that the political parties did agree to it and parliamentary wranglings didn't get in the way then? It's just your post seemed to indicate the opposite. " I was saying that if we had PR then yes, political wranglings would get in the way....but we don't have PR as the public voted against it in a referendum which has to be accepted. | |||
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"In view if the changing political landscape , is it not time that all votes in a general election counted equally ? Where I live if you don't vote labour it's a wasted vote an I don't ! As long as party politics don't get in the way then PR is a good idea....a balanced group of people working for the good of the country....I can't see any major political party agreeing to it though and even if they did the parliamentary wranglings would simply mean that nothing would get done. I guess you have forgotten the referendum we had about it just a few years ago then. No Oh ok, so you know that the political parties did agree to it and parliamentary wranglings didn't get in the way then? It's just your post seemed to indicate the opposite. I was saying that if we had PR then yes, political wranglings would get in the way....but we don't have PR as the public voted against it in a referendum which has to be accepted." Actually; the vote wasn't about proportional representation ; it was about changing the system to an "Alternative Vote" (AV) system. AV does not produce any form of proportional representation; there is still only one final elected representative for each constituency; it merely turns a vote into, effectively , an instant run off; in the first stage; the candidates with the least votes are eliminated; leaving the two most popular candidates standing; the secondary bites are then counted ( i.e. The second choices of those who voted for the eliminated candidates ) then one of the two wins. In some cases, it can enhance the chances of an extreme candidate, as in a 3 horse race; one of the moderates may be excluded, and second choice votes may then propel an extreme ( and possibly less popular) candidate to win. Proportional representation needs to have several representatives elected for each constituency; the party with the most votes gets the most MPs; the second gets less, etc. The public voted against AV, not against Proportional Representation, as that wasn't the question. Though most voters had absolutely no idea what they were voting for, and many thought it was PR. | |||
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