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"Why are there so many right wing fascist cunts in Britain?.... Discuss...." To counterbalance the far left cunts? | |||
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"Why are there so many right wing fascist cunts in Britain?.... Discuss...." Why is Spain a more racist country than Britain? ....Discuss | |||
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"Fascist cunts have always been left wing actually and started with a socialist ideology" Define fascist? | |||
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"Fascist cunts have always been left wing actually and started with a socialist ideology Define fascist? " Don't bother, they are very confused on this particular subject (more so than usual) they actually think that Hitler wasn't right wing enough! | |||
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"Fascist cunts have always been left wing actually and started with a socialist ideology Define fascist? Don't bother, they are very confused on this particular subject (more so than usual) they actually think that Hitler wasn't right wing enough! "Hitler was a socialist to begin whth. The name of his party kind of gives that away. Fascist is hard to define but it is a follower of an ideology that transcends the individual and raises him to conscious membership of a spiritual society, they can come from the left or right but the worst have always come from the left, ie Hitler and Mussolini. Fascism referred to a political movement born in Italy under the leadership of mussolini who was a keen socialist and member of the Italian Socialist Party from 1901-1914. Fascists are generally anti capitalist, subordinating individual rights, profit and property rights to the state. Fascists principle goal is to achieve autarky through protectionist and interventionist economic policies (EU anyone?). Learn before you laugh | |||
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"Fascist cunts have always been left wing actually and started with a socialist ideology Define fascist? Don't bother, they are very confused on this particular subject (more so than usual) they actually think that Hitler wasn't right wing enough!
Hitler was a socialist to begin whth. The name of his party kind of gives that away.
Fascist is hard to define but it is a follower of an ideology that transcends the individual and raises him to conscious membership of a spiritual society, they can come from the left or right but the worst have always come from the left, ie Hitler and Mussolini. Fascism referred to a political movement born in Italy under the leadership of mussolini who was a keen socialist and member of the Italian Socialist Party from 1901-1914. Fascists are generally anti capitalist, subordinating individual rights, profit and property rights to the state.
Fascists principle goal is to achieve autarky through protectionist and interventionist economic policies (EU anyone?).
Learn before you laugh"Not laughing. Pinochet was a fascist or not? He was right wing. He killed the left wing members. He was militant and built a capitalist economy. Plus he was extreme right. Fascist ? left wing Plus the Oxford dictionary (British) says Fascism is "An authoritarian and nationalistic right-wing system of government and social organization" Which source do you use? | |||
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"Fascist cunts have always been left wing actually and started with a socialist ideology Define fascist? Don't bother, they are very confused on this particular subject (more so than usual) they actually think that Hitler wasn't right wing enough!
Hitler was a socialist to begin whth. The name of his party kind of gives that away.
Fascist is hard to define but it is a follower of an ideology that transcends the individual and raises him to conscious membership of a spiritual society, they can come from the left or right but the worst have always come from the left, ie Hitler and Mussolini. Fascism referred to a political movement born in Italy under the leadership of mussolini who was a keen socialist and member of the Italian Socialist Party from 1901-1914. Fascists are generally anti capitalist, subordinating individual rights, profit and property rights to the state.
Fascists principle goal is to achieve autarky through protectionist and interventionist economic policies (EU anyone?).
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Not laughing. Pinochet was a fascist or not? He was right wing. He killed the left wing members. He was militant and built a capitalist economy. Plus he was extreme right.
Fascist ? left wing
Plus the Oxford dictionary (British) says Fascism is "An authoritarian and nationalistic right-wing system of government and social organization"
Which source do you use?"You're actually wrong! Pinnochio was a puppet/real boy  | |||
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"Fascist cunts have always been left wing actually and started with a socialist ideology Define fascist? Don't bother, they are very confused on this particular subject (more so than usual) they actually think that Hitler wasn't right wing enough!
Hitler was a socialist to begin whth. The name of his party kind of gives that away.
Fascist is hard to define but it is a follower of an ideology that transcends the individual and raises him to conscious membership of a spiritual society, they can come from the left or right but the worst have always come from the left, ie Hitler and Mussolini. Fascism referred to a political movement born in Italy under the leadership of mussolini who was a keen socialist and member of the Italian Socialist Party from 1901-1914. Fascists are generally anti capitalist, subordinating individual rights, profit and property rights to the state.
Fascists principle goal is to achieve autarky through protectionist and interventionist economic policies (EU anyone?).
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Not laughing. Pinochet was a fascist or not? He was right wing. He killed the left wing members. He was militant and built a capitalist economy. Plus he was extreme right.
Fascist ? left wing
Plus the Oxford dictionary (British) says Fascism is "An authoritarian and nationalistic right-wing system of government and social organization"
Which source do you use?"I said it can come from the right or left if you read what I said but generally it comes from the left. Yes it turns into a right wing system after following left wing ideology. I have read various sources on the subject and where fascism came from. Are you saying it was not started by a socialist? | |||
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"Why are there so many right wing fascist cunts in Britain?.... Discuss...." There aren't......tiny minorities make the news though. | |||
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"CandM you really crack me up! "that it? We'll start slowly then - was Mussolini a socialist? | |||
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"Im looking hard to see were he said they can be either...i can only find he mentions left wing or socialists lol "read more carefully then | |||
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"Fascism /'fæ??z?m/ is a form of radical authoritarian nationalism[1][2] that came to prominence in early 20th-century Europe, influenced by national syndicalism. Fascism originated in Italy during World War I and spread to other European countries. Fascism opposes liberalism, Marxism and anarchism and is usually placed on the far-right within the traditional left–right spectrum.[3][4]" was Mussolini a socialist? | |||
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"Fascism /'fæ??z?m/ is a form of radical authoritarian nationalism[1][2] that came to prominence in early 20th-century Europe, influenced by national syndicalism. Fascism originated in Italy during World War I and spread to other European countries. Fascism opposes liberalism, Marxism and anarchism and is usually placed on the far-right within the traditional left–right spectrum.[3][4] was Mussolini a socialist?" No he was a fascist...raciest | |||
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"Fascism /'fæ??z?m/ is a form of radical authoritarian nationalism[1][2] that came to prominence in early 20th-century Europe, influenced by national syndicalism. Fascism originated in Italy during World War I and spread to other European countries. Fascism opposes liberalism, Marxism and anarchism and is usually placed on the far-right within the traditional left–right spectrum.[3][4] was Mussolini a socialist? No he was a fascist...raciest " do some research mate | |||
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"Fascism /'fæ??z?m/ is a form of radical authoritarian nationalism[1][2] that came to prominence in early 20th-century Europe, influenced by national syndicalism. Fascism originated in Italy during World War I and spread to other European countries. Fascism opposes liberalism, Marxism and anarchism and is usually placed on the far-right within the traditional left–right spectrum.[3][4] was Mussolini a socialist? No he was a fascist...raciest do some research mate" Well he certainly was PROVED not to be a socialist lol | |||
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"Fascism /'fæ??z?m/ is a form of radical authoritarian nationalism[1][2] that came to prominence in early 20th-century Europe, influenced by national syndicalism. Fascism originated in Italy during World War I and spread to other European countries. Fascism opposes liberalism, Marxism and anarchism and is usually placed on the far-right within the traditional left–right spectrum.[3][4] was Mussolini a socialist? No he was a fascist...raciest do some research mate" Benito Amilcare Andrea Mussolini (Italian pronunciation: [be'ni?to musso'li?ni];[1] 29 July 1883 – 28 April 1945) was an Italian politician, journalist, and leader of the National Fascist Party, ruling the country as Prime Minister from 1922 to 1943. He ruled constitutionally until 1925, when he dropped all pretense of democracy and set up a legal dictatorship. Known as Il Duce (The Leader), Mussolini was the founder of Italian Fascism.[2][3][4] | |||
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"Fascism /'fæ??z?m/ is a form of radical authoritarian nationalism[1][2] that came to prominence in early 20th-century Europe, influenced by national syndicalism. Fascism originated in Italy during World War I and spread to other European countries. Fascism opposes liberalism, Marxism and anarchism and is usually placed on the far-right within the traditional left–right spectrum.[3][4] was Mussolini a socialist? No he was a fascist...raciest do some research mate Benito Amilcare Andrea Mussolini (Italian pronunciation: [be'ni?to musso'li?ni];[1] 29 July 1883 – 28 April 1945) was an Italian politician, journalist, and leader of the National Fascist Party, ruling the country as Prime Minister from 1922 to 1943. He ruled constitutionally until 1925, when he dropped all pretense of democracy and set up a legal dictatorship. Known as Il Duce (The Leader), Mussolini was the founder of Italian Fascism.[2][3][4]" ??Ye, so?? Was he a socialist before the Fascist Party? | |||
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"Fascism /'fæ??z?m/ is a form of radical authoritarian nationalism[1][2] that came to prominence in early 20th-century Europe, influenced by national syndicalism. Fascism originated in Italy during World War I and spread to other European countries. Fascism opposes liberalism, Marxism and anarchism and is usually placed on the far-right within the traditional left–right spectrum.[3][4] was Mussolini a socialist? No he was a fascist...raciest do some research mate Benito Amilcare Andrea Mussolini (Italian pronunciation: [be'ni?to musso'li?ni];[1] 29 July 1883 – 28 April 1945) was an Italian politician, journalist, and leader of the National Fascist Party, ruling the country as Prime Minister from 1922 to 1943. He ruled constitutionally until 1925, when he dropped all pretense of democracy and set up a legal dictatorship. Known as Il Duce (The Leader), Mussolini was the founder of Italian Fascism.[2][3][4] ??Ye, so?? Was he a socialist before the Fascist Party?" As I said, you crack me up! So you're saying when he was Il Duce he wasn't a socialist, he was a fascist (which we have already established is different from a socialist), but at some other point in his past, you say he was a socialist, and you are talking about that point in his life, rather than the more well know part of his life where he was very clearly a fascist? | |||
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"Fascism /'fæ??z?m/ is a form of radical authoritarian nationalism[1][2] that came to prominence in early 20th-century Europe, influenced by national syndicalism. Fascism originated in Italy during World War I and spread to other European countries. Fascism opposes liberalism, Marxism and anarchism and is usually placed on the far-right within the traditional left–right spectrum.[3][4] was Mussolini a socialist? No he was a fascist...raciest do some research mate Benito Amilcare Andrea Mussolini (Italian pronunciation: [be'ni?to musso'li?ni];[1] 29 July 1883 – 28 April 1945) was an Italian politician, journalist, and leader of the National Fascist Party, ruling the country as Prime Minister from 1922 to 1943. He ruled constitutionally until 1925, when he dropped all pretense of democracy and set up a legal dictatorship. Known as Il Duce (The Leader), Mussolini was the founder of Italian Fascism.[2][3][4] ??Ye, so?? Was he a socialist before the Fascist Party? As I said, you crack me up! So you're saying when he was Il Duce he wasn't a socialist, he was a fascist (which we have already established is different from a socialist), but at some other point in his past, you say he was a socialist, and you are talking about that point in his life, rather than the more well know part of his life where he was very clearly a fascist? " ffs. What does a well known point in his life have to do with it? Yes he became a fascist as people who go too far left usually do. But was he a socialist before the 'well known point in his life', yes or no? | |||
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"Fascism /'fæ??z?m/ is a form of radical authoritarian nationalism[1][2] that came to prominence in early 20th-century Europe, influenced by national syndicalism. Fascism originated in Italy during World War I and spread to other European countries. Fascism opposes liberalism, Marxism and anarchism and is usually placed on the far-right within the traditional left–right spectrum.[3][4] was Mussolini a socialist? No he was a fascist...raciest do some research mate Benito Amilcare Andrea Mussolini (Italian pronunciation: [be'ni?to musso'li?ni];[1] 29 July 1883 – 28 April 1945) was an Italian politician, journalist, and leader of the National Fascist Party, ruling the country as Prime Minister from 1922 to 1943. He ruled constitutionally until 1925, when he dropped all pretense of democracy and set up a legal dictatorship. Known as Il Duce (The Leader), Mussolini was the founder of Italian Fascism.[2][3][4] ??Ye, so?? Was he a socialist before the Fascist Party? As I said, you crack me up! So you're saying when he was Il Duce he wasn't a socialist, he was a fascist (which we have already established is different from a socialist), but at some other point in his past, you say he was a socialist, and you are talking about that point in his life, rather than the more well know part of his life where he was very clearly a fascist? ffs. What does a well known point in his life have to do with it? Yes he became a fascist as people who go too far left usually do. But was he a socialist before the 'well known point in his life', yes or no?" Hahaha it's like if someone called Hitler a genocidal maniac and you saying "no, he was a painter"
I have never heard of Mussolini being a socialist, everyone knows he is the second most famous Fascist in the world though.
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"Fascism /'fæ??z?m/ is a form of radical authoritarian nationalism[1][2] that came to prominence in early 20th-century Europe, influenced by national syndicalism. Fascism originated in Italy during World War I and spread to other European countries. Fascism opposes liberalism, Marxism and anarchism and is usually placed on the far-right within the traditional left–right spectrum.[3][4] was Mussolini a socialist? No he was a fascist...raciest do some research mate Benito Amilcare Andrea Mussolini (Italian pronunciation: [be'ni?to musso'li?ni];[1] 29 July 1883 – 28 April 1945) was an Italian politician, journalist, and leader of the National Fascist Party, ruling the country as Prime Minister from 1922 to 1943. He ruled constitutionally until 1925, when he dropped all pretense of democracy and set up a legal dictatorship. Known as Il Duce (The Leader), Mussolini was the founder of Italian Fascism.[2][3][4] ??Ye, so?? Was he a socialist before the Fascist Party? As I said, you crack me up! So you're saying when he was Il Duce he wasn't a socialist, he was a fascist (which we have already established is different from a socialist), but at some other point in his past, you say he was a socialist, and you are talking about that point in his life, rather than the more well know part of his life where he was very clearly a fascist? ffs. What does a well known point in his life have to do with it? Yes he became a fascist as people who go too far left usually do. But was he a socialist before the 'well known point in his life', yes or no? Hahaha it's like if someone called Hitler a genocidal maniac and you saying "no, he was a painter"
I have never heard of Mussolini being a socialist, everyone knows he is the second most famous Fascist in the world though.
Fascism is in the right of the political spectrum, not the left. "Yes you have because you have just read some history and know he was a member of the Italian Socialist party from 1901-1914. After the war he wanted a new form of socialism, Nationalist Socialism, or in other words fascism, so it was born out of socialist ideology and was created by a socialist. He might have been a painter too but that has fuck all to do with it | |||
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"Fascism /'fæ??z?m/ is a form of radical authoritarian nationalism[1][2] that came to prominence in early 20th-century Europe, influenced by national syndicalism. Fascism originated in Italy during World War I and spread to other European countries. Fascism opposes liberalism, Marxism and anarchism and is usually placed on the far-right within the traditional left–right spectrum.[3][4] was Mussolini a socialist? No he was a fascist...raciest do some research mate Benito Amilcare Andrea Mussolini (Italian pronunciation: [be'ni?to musso'li?ni];[1] 29 July 1883 – 28 April 1945) was an Italian politician, journalist, and leader of the National Fascist Party, ruling the country as Prime Minister from 1922 to 1943. He ruled constitutionally until 1925, when he dropped all pretense of democracy and set up a legal dictatorship. Known as Il Duce (The Leader), Mussolini was the founder of Italian Fascism.[2][3][4] ??Ye, so?? Was he a socialist before the Fascist Party? As I said, you crack me up! So you're saying when he was Il Duce he wasn't a socialist, he was a fascist (which we have already established is different from a socialist), but at some other point in his past, you say he was a socialist, and you are talking about that point in his life, rather than the more well know part of his life where he was very clearly a fascist? ffs. What does a well known point in his life have to do with it? Yes he became a fascist as people who go too far left usually do. But was he a socialist before the 'well known point in his life', yes or no?" They cant answer because they don't know I don't know either for sure but would say he was a socialist in his younger days. | |||
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"Fascism /'fæ??z?m/ is a form of radical authoritarian nationalism[1][2] that came to prominence in early 20th-century Europe, influenced by national syndicalism. Fascism originated in Italy during World War I and spread to other European countries. Fascism opposes liberalism, Marxism and anarchism and is usually placed on the far-right within the traditional left–right spectrum.[3][4] The rest of the paragraph the goes on to describe him as the leading member of the national directorate of the italian SOCIALIST party and prior to 1914 he was keen supporter of the socialist international. You really need to follow up properly if you are going to diss people was Mussolini a socialist? No he was a fascist...raciest do some research mate Benito Amilcare Andrea Mussolini (Italian pronunciation: [be'ni?to musso'li?ni];[1] 29 July 1883 – 28 April 1945) was an Italian politician, journalist, and leader of the National Fascist Party, ruling the country as Prime Minister from 1922 to 1943. He ruled constitutionally until 1925, when he dropped all pretense of democracy and set up a legal dictatorship. Known as Il Duce (The Leader), Mussolini was the founder of Italian Fascism.[2][3][4]" | |||
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"Fascism /'fæ??z?m/ is a form of radical authoritarian nationalism[1][2] that came to prominence in early 20th-century Europe, influenced by national syndicalism. Fascism originated in Italy during World War I and spread to other European countries. Fascism opposes liberalism, Marxism and anarchism and is usually placed on the far-right within the traditional left–right spectrum.[3][4] The rest of the paragraph the goes on to describe him as the leading member of the national directorate of the italian SOCIALIST party and prior to 1914 he was keen supporter of the socialist international. You really need to follow up properly if you are going to diss people was Mussolini a socialist? No he was a fascist...raciest do some research mate Benito Amilcare Andrea Mussolini (Italian pronunciation: [be'ni?to musso'li?ni];[1] 29 July 1883 – 28 April 1945) was an Italian politician, journalist, and leader of the National Fascist Party, ruling the country as Prime Minister from 1922 to 1943. He ruled constitutionally until 1925, when he dropped all pretense of democracy and set up a legal dictatorship. Known as Il Duce (The Leader), Mussolini was the founder of Italian Fascism.[2][3][4]" thank you | |||
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"Fascism /'fæ??z?m/ is a form of radical authoritarian nationalism[1][2] that came to prominence in early 20th-century Europe, influenced by national syndicalism. Fascism originated in Italy during World War I and spread to other European countries. Fascism opposes liberalism, Marxism and anarchism and is usually placed on the far-right within the traditional left–right spectrum.[3][4] The rest of the paragraph the goes on to describe him as the leading member of the national directorate of the italian SOCIALIST party and prior to 1914 he was keen supporter of the socialist international. You really need to follow up properly if you are going to diss people was Mussolini a socialist? No he was a fascist...raciest do some research mate Benito Amilcare Andrea Mussolini (Italian pronunciation: [be'ni?to musso'li?ni];[1] 29 July 1883 – 28 April 1945) was an Italian politician, journalist, and leader of the National Fascist Party, ruling the country as Prime Minister from 1922 to 1943. He ruled constitutionally until 1925, when he dropped all pretense of democracy and set up a legal dictatorship. Known as Il Duce (The Leader), Mussolini was the founder of Italian Fascism.[2][3][4] thank you "Still can see socialist in this quotelol | |||
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"Fascism /'fæ??z?m/ is a form of radical authoritarian nationalism[1][2] that came to prominence in early 20th-century Europe, influenced by national syndicalism. Fascism originated in Italy during World War I and spread to other European countries. Fascism opposes liberalism, Marxism and anarchism and is usually placed on the far-right within the traditional left–right spectrum.[3][4] was Mussolini a socialist? No he was a fascist...raciest do some research mate Benito Amilcare Andrea Mussolini (Italian pronunciation: [be'ni?to musso'li?ni];[1] 29 July 1883 – 28 April 1945) was an Italian politician, journalist, and leader of the National Fascist Party, ruling the country as Prime Minister from 1922 to 1943. He ruled constitutionally until 1925, when he dropped all pretense of democracy and set up a legal dictatorship. Known as Il Duce (The Leader), Mussolini was the founder of Italian Fascism.[2][3][4]" And the very next paragraph of your research says.... In 1912 Mussolini was the leading member of the National Directorate of the Italian Socialist Party (PSI).[5] Prior to 1914, he was a keen supporter of the Socialist International, starting the series of meetings in Switzerland[6] that organised the communist revolutions and insurrections that swept through Europe from 1917. | |||
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"Fascism /'fæ??z?m/ is a form of radical authoritarian nationalism[1][2] that came to prominence in early 20th-century Europe, influenced by national syndicalism. Fascism originated in Italy during World War I and spread to other European countries. Fascism opposes liberalism, Marxism and anarchism and is usually placed on the far-right within the traditional left–right spectrum.[3][4] was Mussolini a socialist? No he was a fascist...raciest do some research mate Benito Amilcare Andrea Mussolini (Italian pronunciation: [be'ni?to musso'li?ni];[1] 29 July 1883 – 28 April 1945) was an Italian politician, journalist, and leader of the National Fascist Party, ruling the country as Prime Minister from 1922 to 1943. He ruled constitutionally until 1925, when he dropped all pretense of democracy and set up a legal dictatorship. Known as Il Duce (The Leader), Mussolini was the founder of Italian Fascism.[2][3][4] ??Ye, so?? Was he a socialist before the Fascist Party? As I said, you crack me up! So you're saying when he was Il Duce he wasn't a socialist, he was a fascist (which we have already established is different from a socialist), but at some other point in his past, you say he was a socialist, and you are talking about that point in his life, rather than the more well know part of his life where he was very clearly a fascist? ffs. What does a well known point in his life have to do with it? Yes he became a fascist as people who go too far left usually do. But was he a socialist before the 'well known point in his life', yes or no? Hahaha it's like if someone called Hitler a genocidal maniac and you saying "no, he was a painter"
I have never heard of Mussolini being a socialist, everyone knows he is the second most famous Fascist in the world though.
Fascism is in the right of the political spectrum, not the left. "If you'd read the next paragraph of your Google research on Wikipedia you would have seen that he did indeed start out as a socialist... you probably did read it, but didn't want facts to get in the way if the point you were trying to prove.... which is par for the course, really | |||
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"This forum really is filled with crack pots, nutters and deniers." Yes, I agree with you .... I guess they have to go somewhere. But really, I have to despair at the ignorance of some. | |||
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"This forum really is filled with crack pots, nutters and deniers. Yes, I agree with you .... I guess they have to go somewhere. But really, I have to despair at the ignorance of some. " dead right | |||
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"This forum really is filled with crack pots, nutters and deniers. Yes, I agree with you .... I guess they have to go somewhere. But really, I have to despair at the ignorance of some. dead right" And the rudeness | |||
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"This forum really is filled with crack pots, nutters and deniers. Yes, I agree with you .... I guess they have to go somewhere. But really, I have to despair at the ignorance of some. " And the lack of compassion and humanity. | |||
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"This forum really is filled with crack pots, nutters and deniers. Yes, I agree with you .... I guess they have to go somewhere. But really, I have to despair at the ignorance of some. And the lack of compassion and humanity." I can tell you have problems but do I feel sorry for you? No | |||
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"This forum really is filled with crack pots, nutters and deniers. Yes, I agree with you .... I guess they have to go somewhere. But really, I have to despair at the ignorance of some. And the lack of compassion and humanity. I can tell you have problems but do I feel sorry for you? No" I don't have any problems, sorry to disappoint you .... I certainly don't need the likes of you feeling sorry for me as there is nothing to feel sorry for, you are right. | |||
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"This forum really is filled with crack pots, nutters and deniers. Yes, I agree with you .... I guess they have to go somewhere. But really, I have to despair at the ignorance of some. And the lack of compassion and humanity. I can tell you have problems but do I feel sorry for you? No" There are plenty of people in the world with worse problems than me. I doubt you have ever felt sorry for anyone. | |||
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"The thing is, the further left you go, as in a circle, the more right you become. Having been a socialist for years socialism as it was wasn't enough for Mussolini and after WW1 he turned on the socialists and created a new form of Nationalist Socialism, or in other words, fascism and dictatorship where the state is all powerful" Oh. So a bit like Corbynism then. | |||
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"The thing is, the further left you go, as in a circle, the more right you become. Having been a socialist for years socialism as it was wasn't enough for Mussolini and after WW1 he turned on the socialists and created a new form of Nationalist Socialism, or in other words, fascism and dictatorship where the state is all powerful Oh. So a bit like Corbynism then." Corbyn might be a dick, but he is hardly the same as Mussolini, he's on the wrong side of the political spectrum for a start. | |||
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"This forum really is filled with crack pots, nutters and deniers. Yes, I agree with you .... I guess they have to go somewhere. But really, I have to despair at the ignorance of some. And the lack of compassion and humanity. I can tell you have problems but do I feel sorry for you? No I don't have any problems, sorry to disappoint you .... I certainly don't need the likes of you feeling sorry for me as there is nothing to feel sorry for, you are right. " That comment wasn't addressed to you but what does the likes of me mean? | |||
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"The thing is, the further left you go, as in a circle, the more right you become. Having been a socialist for years socialism as it was wasn't enough for Mussolini and after WW1 he turned on the socialists and created a new form of Nationalist Socialism, or in other words, fascism and dictatorship where the state is all powerful Oh. So a bit like Corbynism then. Corbyn might be a dick, but he is hardly the same as Mussolini, he's on the wrong side of the political spectrum for a start. " really? Anti capitalism, nationalisation, dictatorship, agree with me or you'll be thrown out (deselected) etc etc. He's the other side of the same coin only worse | |||
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"The thing is, the further left you go, as in a circle, the more right you become. Having been a socialist for years socialism as it was wasn't enough for Mussolini and after WW1 he turned on the socialists and created a new form of Nationalist Socialism, or in other words, fascism and dictatorship where the state is all powerful Oh. So a bit like Corbynism then. Corbyn might be a dick, but he is hardly the same as Mussolini, he's on the wrong side of the political spectrum for a start. really? Anti capitalism, nationalisation, dictatorship, agree with me or you'll be thrown out (deselected) etc etc. He's the other side of the same coin only worse" Corbyn is worse than Mussolini?  | |||
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"The thing is, the further left you go, as in a circle, the more right you become. Having been a socialist for years socialism as it was wasn't enough for Mussolini and after WW1 he turned on the socialists and created a new form of Nationalist Socialism, or in other words, fascism and dictatorship where the state is all powerful Oh. So a bit like Corbynism then. Corbyn might be a dick, but he is hardly the same as Mussolini, he's on the wrong side of the political spectrum for a start. really? Anti capitalism, nationalisation, dictatorship, agree with me or you'll be thrown out (deselected) etc etc. He's the other side of the same coin only worse Corbyn is worse than Mussolini? "Given power and the chance to carry out his agenda I believe he would be yes. Forunately people have more sense than to elect a Socialist government these days | |||
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"This forum really is filled with crack pots, nutters and deniers. Yes, I agree with you .... I guess they have to go somewhere. But really, I have to despair at the ignorance of some. And the lack of compassion and humanity. I can tell you have problems but do I feel sorry for you? No I don't have any problems, sorry to disappoint you .... I certainly don't need the likes of you feeling sorry for me as there is nothing to feel sorry for, you are right. That comment wasn't addressed to you but what does the likes of me mean?" It means people like you who feel you have to deride and belittle others by attacking them personally on a public forum. What is with that? | |||
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"This forum really is filled with crack pots, nutters and deniers. Yes, I agree with you .... I guess they have to go somewhere. But really, I have to despair at the ignorance of some. And the lack of compassion and humanity. I can tell you have problems but do I feel sorry for you? No I don't have any problems, sorry to disappoint you .... I certainly don't need the likes of you feeling sorry for me as there is nothing to feel sorry for, you are right. That comment wasn't addressed to you but what does the likes of me mean? It means people like you who feel you have to deride and belittle others by attacking them personally on a public forum. What is with that? " who have I attacked personally? and your first contribution to this thread was merely to criticise people  | |||
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"This forum really is filled with crack pots, nutters and deniers. Yes, I agree with you .... I guess they have to go somewhere. But really, I have to despair at the ignorance of some. And the lack of compassion and humanity. I can tell you have problems but do I feel sorry for you? No I don't have any problems, sorry to disappoint you .... I certainly don't need the likes of you feeling sorry for me as there is nothing to feel sorry for, you are right. That comment wasn't addressed to you but what does the likes of me mean? It means people like you who feel you have to deride and belittle others by attacking them personally on a public forum. What is with that? who have I attacked personally? and your first contribution to this thread was merely to criticise people "There you go, making it personal ..... don't you realise what you are doing? | |||
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"This forum really is filled with crack pots, nutters and deniers. Yes, I agree with you .... I guess they have to go somewhere. But really, I have to despair at the ignorance of some. And the lack of compassion and humanity. I can tell you have problems but do I feel sorry for you? No I don't have any problems, sorry to disappoint you .... I certainly don't need the likes of you feeling sorry for me as there is nothing to feel sorry for, you are right. That comment wasn't addressed to you but what does the likes of me mean? It means people like you who feel you have to deride and belittle others by attacking them personally on a public forum. What is with that? who have I attacked personally? and your first contribution to this thread was merely to criticise people
There you go, making it personal ..... don't you realise what you are doing?"do you? | |||
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"This forum really is filled with crack pots, nutters and deniers. Yes, I agree with you .... I guess they have to go somewhere. But really, I have to despair at the ignorance of some. And the lack of compassion and humanity. I can tell you have problems but do I feel sorry for you? No I don't have any problems, sorry to disappoint you .... I certainly don't need the likes of you feeling sorry for me as there is nothing to feel sorry for, you are right. That comment wasn't addressed to you but what does the likes of me mean? It means people like you who feel you have to deride and belittle others by attacking them personally on a public forum. What is with that? who have I attacked personally? and your first contribution to this thread was merely to criticise people
There you go, making it personal ..... don't you realise what you are doing?
do you?"I don't attack people and say they have problems and say that I feel sorry for them, or not. I dont criticise, I give my personal opinion, based on my personal experience. I dont have an opinion about anyone here because I know its the internet and a forum and people have personas on here than can be very different from their real personalities. I think its possible to debate, even about political issues without getting personal. It seems you don't like it when people get personal with you though? | |||
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"This forum really is filled with crack pots, nutters and deniers. Yes, I agree with you .... I guess they have to go somewhere. But really, I have to despair at the ignorance of some. And the lack of compassion and humanity. I can tell you have problems but do I feel sorry for you? No I don't have any problems, sorry to disappoint you .... I certainly don't need the likes of you feeling sorry for me as there is nothing to feel sorry for, you are right. That comment wasn't addressed to you but what does the likes of me mean? It means people like you who feel you have to deride and belittle others by attacking them personally on a public forum. What is with that? who have I attacked personally? and your first contribution to this thread was merely to criticise people
There you go, making it personal ..... don't you realise what you are doing?
do you?
I don't attack people and say they have problems and say that I feel sorry for them, or not. I dont criticise, I give my personal opinion, based on my personal experience. I dont have an opinion about anyone here because I know its the internet and a forum and people have personas on here than can be very different from their real personalities. I think its possible to debate, even about political issues without getting personal. It seems you don't like it when people get personal with you though?"oh, so they do? I thought it was just me | |||
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"Or rather, try to belittle them by calling them crackpots and ignorant etc Was anything personal though? " well if you don't put a name to them thats ok then eh | |||
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"Or rather, try to belittle them by calling them crackpots and ignorant etc Was anything personal though? well if you don't put a name to them thats ok then eh" Have you any idea which 'side' I am on? | |||
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"The thing is, the further left you go, as in a circle, the more right you become. Having been a socialist for years socialism as it was wasn't enough for Mussolini and after WW1 he turned on the socialists and created a new form of Nationalist Socialism, or in other words, fascism and dictatorship where the state is all powerful Oh. So a bit like Corbynism then. Corbyn might be a dick, but he is hardly the same as Mussolini, he's on the wrong side of the political spectrum for a start. really? Anti capitalism, nationalisation, dictatorship, agree with me or you'll be thrown out (deselected) etc etc. He's the other side of the same coin only worse Corbyn is worse than Mussolini? "Given half a chance Corbyn teamed up with his sweet smiling back stabbing wingman could be worse that Stalin. Today the purge of the Labour party in 2020 it could be the purge of the country. | |||
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"Or rather, try to belittle them by calling them crackpots and ignorant etc Was anything personal though? well if you don't put a name to them thats ok then eh Have you any idea which 'side' I am on?" does it make any difference | |||
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"Or rather, try to belittle them by calling them crackpots and ignorant etc Was anything personal though? well if you don't put a name to them thats ok then eh Have you any idea which 'side' I am on? does it make any difference" It's obvious who you are attacking though, that is what makes it personal. | |||
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"Isolationist China..... the country that every western 'democracy' is trying to suck up to so they can get piece of the pie. China is in demand for cash to buy nuclear futures and crap premier league footballers. China is a one party state but it is no more Socialist than my left testicle. They are the cash cow and countries such as the UK don't give a shit about what regime they have in place as long as they can get their hands on some of their wealth" I meant isolationist in the fact they do not rely on anybody have extremely low immigration import next to nothing so of course they want tariff free trade with everyone as it only benefits them and be real the only people getting rich through their foreign investment is them | |||
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"Or rather, try to belittle them by calling them crackpots and ignorant etc Was anything personal though? well if you don't put a name to them thats ok then eh Have you any idea which 'side' I am on? does it make any difference It's obvious who you are attacking though, that is what makes it personal." whereas you could be attacking anyone or everyone | |||
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"The thing is, the further left you go, as in a circle, the more right you become. Having been a socialist for years socialism as it was wasn't enough for Mussolini and after WW1 he turned on the socialists and created a new form of Nationalist Socialism, or in other words, fascism and dictatorship where the state is all powerful Oh. So a bit like Corbynism then. Corbyn might be a dick, but he is hardly the same as Mussolini, he's on the wrong side of the political spectrum for a start. really? Anti capitalism, nationalisation, dictatorship, agree with me or you'll be thrown out (deselected) etc etc. He's the other side of the same coin only worse Corbyn is worse than Mussolini?
Given half a chance Corbyn teamed up with his sweet smiling back stabbing wingman could be worse that Stalin.
Today the purge of the Labour party in 2020 it could be the purge of the country."Really? You must have a very poor grasp of history, or an extremely warped view of politics if you think that he would actually be worse than Stalin and Mussolini. | |||
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"The thing is, the further left you go, as in a circle, the more right you become. Having been a socialist for years socialism as it was wasn't enough for Mussolini and after WW1 he turned on the socialists and created a new form of Nationalist Socialism, or in other words, fascism and dictatorship where the state is all powerful Oh. So a bit like Corbynism then. Corbyn might be a dick, but he is hardly the same as Mussolini, he's on the wrong side of the political spectrum for a start. really? Anti capitalism, nationalisation, dictatorship, agree with me or you'll be thrown out (deselected) etc etc. He's the other side of the same coin only worse Corbyn is worse than Mussolini?
Given half a chance Corbyn teamed up with his sweet smiling back stabbing wingman could be worse that Stalin.
Today the purge of the Labour party in 2020 it could be the purge of the country.
Really? You must have a very poor grasp of history, or an extremely warped view of politics if you think that he would actually be worse than Stalin and Mussolini."is Corbyn history? So, Stalin now. Was he left or right? And could he be described as a fascist? | |||
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"The thing is, the further left you go, as in a circle, the more right you become. Having been a socialist for years socialism as it was wasn't enough for Mussolini and after WW1 he turned on the socialists and created a new form of Nationalist Socialism, or in other words, fascism and dictatorship where the state is all powerful Oh. So a bit like Corbynism then. Corbyn might be a dick, but he is hardly the same as Mussolini, he's on the wrong side of the political spectrum for a start. really? Anti capitalism, nationalisation, dictatorship, agree with me or you'll be thrown out (deselected) etc etc. He's the other side of the same coin only worse Corbyn is worse than Mussolini?
Given half a chance Corbyn teamed up with his sweet smiling back stabbing wingman could be worse that Stalin.
Today the purge of the Labour party in 2020 it could be the purge of the country.
Really? You must have a very poor grasp of history, or an extremely warped view of politics if you think that he would actually be worse than Stalin and Mussolini.
is Corbyn history?
So, Stalin now. Was he left or right? And could he be described as a fascist?"The question was ... do you really think this is a valid comparison? | |||
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"The thing is, the further left you go, as in a circle, the more right you become. Having been a socialist for years socialism as it was wasn't enough for Mussolini and after WW1 he turned on the socialists and created a new form of Nationalist Socialism, or in other words, fascism and dictatorship where the state is all powerful Oh. So a bit like Corbynism then. Corbyn might be a dick, but he is hardly the same as Mussolini, he's on the wrong side of the political spectrum for a start. really? Anti capitalism, nationalisation, dictatorship, agree with me or you'll be thrown out (deselected) etc etc. He's the other side of the same coin only worse Corbyn is worse than Mussolini?
Given half a chance Corbyn teamed up with his sweet smiling back stabbing wingman could be worse that Stalin.
Today the purge of the Labour party in 2020 it could be the purge of the country.
Really? You must have a very poor grasp of history, or an extremely warped view of politics if you think that he would actually be worse than Stalin and Mussolini."They all had to start somewhere. | |||
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"The thing is, the further left you go, as in a circle, the more right you become. Having been a socialist for years socialism as it was wasn't enough for Mussolini and after WW1 he turned on the socialists and created a new form of Nationalist Socialism, or in other words, fascism and dictatorship where the state is all powerful Oh. So a bit like Corbynism then. Corbyn might be a dick, but he is hardly the same as Mussolini, he's on the wrong side of the political spectrum for a start. really? Anti capitalism, nationalisation, dictatorship, agree with me or you'll be thrown out (deselected) etc etc. He's the other side of the same coin only worse Corbyn is worse than Mussolini?
Given half a chance Corbyn teamed up with his sweet smiling back stabbing wingman could be worse that Stalin.
Today the purge of the Labour party in 2020 it could be the purge of the country.
Really? You must have a very poor grasp of history, or an extremely warped view of politics if you think that he would actually be worse than Stalin and Mussolini.
is Corbyn history?
So, Stalin now. Was he left or right? And could he be described as a fascist?
The question was ... do you really think this is a valid comparison?"I do certainly | |||
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"The thing is, the further left you go, as in a circle, the more right you become. Having been a socialist for years socialism as it was wasn't enough for Mussolini and after WW1 he turned on the socialists and created a new form of Nationalist Socialism, or in other words, fascism and dictatorship where the state is all powerful Oh. So a bit like Corbynism then. Corbyn might be a dick, but he is hardly the same as Mussolini, he's on the wrong side of the political spectrum for a start. really? Anti capitalism, nationalisation, dictatorship, agree with me or you'll be thrown out (deselected) etc etc. He's the other side of the same coin only worse Corbyn is worse than Mussolini?
Given half a chance Corbyn teamed up with his sweet smiling back stabbing wingman could be worse that Stalin.
Today the purge of the Labour party in 2020 it could be the purge of the country.
Really? You must have a very poor grasp of history, or an extremely warped view of politics if you think that he would actually be worse than Stalin and Mussolini.
is Corbyn history?
So, Stalin now. Was he left or right? And could he be described as a fascist?
The question was ... do you really think this is a valid comparison?
I do certainly"Not sure its a totally fair comparison but mussolini was actually quite liked by his people corbyn most definitely isnt liked | |||
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"So what he did was with popular backing. Corbin was voted in by members though, so maybe he has more popularity than people like to think .... " Of course he has some popularity. The hard left love him to bits so I suppose he must have around a million die hard supporters. Add to that maybe 5 million who are not really bothered who is the leader but will vote Labour no matter what and that should get him 6 or maybe (if he is lucky) 7 million votes. A fair showing but way short of Ed Millibands 9 million odd last time and, especially with the new reduced parliament, could see Labour down to about 150 seats. | |||
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"The thing is, the further left you go, as in a circle, the more right you become. Having been a socialist for years socialism as it was wasn't enough for Mussolini and after WW1 he turned on the socialists and created a new form of Nationalist Socialism, or in other words, fascism and dictatorship where the state is all powerful Oh. So a bit like Corbynism then. Corbyn might be a dick, but he is hardly the same as Mussolini, he's on the wrong side of the political spectrum for a start. really? Anti capitalism, nationalisation, dictatorship, agree with me or you'll be thrown out (deselected) etc etc. He's the other side of the same coin only worse Corbyn is worse than Mussolini?
Given half a chance Corbyn teamed up with his sweet smiling back stabbing wingman could be worse that Stalin.
Today the purge of the Labour party in 2020 it could be the purge of the country.
Really? You must have a very poor grasp of history, or an extremely warped view of politics if you think that he would actually be worse than Stalin and Mussolini.
is Corbyn history?
So, Stalin now. Was he left or right? And could he be described as a fascist?
The question was ... do you really think this is a valid comparison?
I do certainly"So what do you think he would do if he was PM that would be worse than Stalin did? | |||
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"The thing is, the further left you go, as in a circle, the more right you become. Having been a socialist for years socialism as it was wasn't enough for Mussolini and after WW1 he turned on the socialists and created a new form of Nationalist Socialism, or in other words, fascism and dictatorship where the state is all powerful Oh. So a bit like Corbynism then. Corbyn might be a dick, but he is hardly the same as Mussolini, he's on the wrong side of the political spectrum for a start. really? Anti capitalism, nationalisation, dictatorship, agree with me or you'll be thrown out (deselected) etc etc. He's the other side of the same coin only worse Corbyn is worse than Mussolini?
Given half a chance Corbyn teamed up with his sweet smiling back stabbing wingman could be worse that Stalin.
Today the purge of the Labour party in 2020 it could be the purge of the country.
Really? You must have a very poor grasp of history, or an extremely warped view of politics if you think that he would actually be worse than Stalin and Mussolini.
is Corbyn history?
So, Stalin now. Was he left or right? And could he be described as a fascist?
The question was ... do you really think this is a valid comparison?
I do certainly
So what do you think he would do if he was PM that would be worse than Stalin did? "moot point because without the army he doesn't have the power but I think he would do whatever it takes to enforce his ideology given the chance | |||
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"The thing is, the further left you go, as in a circle, the more right you become. Having been a socialist for years socialism as it was wasn't enough for Mussolini and after WW1 he turned on the socialists and created a new form of Nationalist Socialism, or in other words, fascism and dictatorship where the state is all powerful Oh. So a bit like Corbynism then. Corbyn might be a dick, but he is hardly the same as Mussolini, he's on the wrong side of the political spectrum for a start. really? Anti capitalism, nationalisation, dictatorship, agree with me or you'll be thrown out (deselected) etc etc. He's the other side of the same coin only worse Corbyn is worse than Mussolini?
Given half a chance Corbyn teamed up with his sweet smiling back stabbing wingman could be worse that Stalin.
Today the purge of the Labour party in 2020 it could be the purge of the country.
Really? You must have a very poor grasp of history, or an extremely warped view of politics if you think that he would actually be worse than Stalin and Mussolini.
is Corbyn history?
So, Stalin now. Was he left or right? And could he be described as a fascist?
The question was ... do you really think this is a valid comparison?
I do certainly
So what do you think he would do if he was PM that would be worse than Stalin did?
moot point because without the army he doesn't have the power but I think he would do whatever it takes to enforce his ideology given the chance"So what do you think he would do. You say he's worse than Stalin and Mussolini, so what do you think he would do if he could? | |||
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"The thing is, the further left you go, as in a circle, the more right you become. Having been a socialist for years socialism as it was wasn't enough for Mussolini and after WW1 he turned on the socialists and created a new form of Nationalist Socialism, or in other words, fascism and dictatorship where the state is all powerful Oh. So a bit like Corbynism then. Corbyn might be a dick, but he is hardly the same as Mussolini, he's on the wrong side of the political spectrum for a start. really? Anti capitalism, nationalisation, dictatorship, agree with me or you'll be thrown out (deselected) etc etc. He's the other side of the same coin only worse Corbyn is worse than Mussolini?
Given half a chance Corbyn teamed up with his sweet smiling back stabbing wingman could be worse that Stalin.
Today the purge of the Labour party in 2020 it could be the purge of the country.
Really? You must have a very poor grasp of history, or an extremely warped view of politics if you think that he would actually be worse than Stalin and Mussolini.
is Corbyn history?
So, Stalin now. Was he left or right? And could he be described as a fascist?
The question was ... do you really think this is a valid comparison?
I do certainly
So what do you think he would do if he was PM that would be worse than Stalin did?
moot point because without the army he doesn't have the power but I think he would do whatever it takes to enforce his ideology given the chance
So what do you think he would do. You say he's worse than Stalin and Mussolini, so what do you think he would do if he could? "I said worse than Mussolini. He would do whatever every communist dictator does | |||
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"The thing is, the further left you go, as in a circle, the more right you become. Having been a socialist for years socialism as it was wasn't enough for Mussolini and after WW1 he turned on the socialists and created a new form of Nationalist Socialism, or in other words, fascism and dictatorship where the state is all powerful Oh. So a bit like Corbynism then. Corbyn might be a dick, but he is hardly the same as Mussolini, he's on the wrong side of the political spectrum for a start. really? Anti capitalism, nationalisation, dictatorship, agree with me or you'll be thrown out (deselected) etc etc. He's the other side of the same coin only worse Corbyn is worse than Mussolini?
Given half a chance Corbyn teamed up with his sweet smiling back stabbing wingman could be worse that Stalin.
Today the purge of the Labour party in 2020 it could be the purge of the country.
Really? You must have a very poor grasp of history, or an extremely warped view of politics if you think that he would actually be worse than Stalin and Mussolini.
is Corbyn history?
So, Stalin now. Was he left or right? And could he be described as a fascist?
The question was ... do you really think this is a valid comparison?
I do certainly
So what do you think he would do if he was PM that would be worse than Stalin did?
moot point because without the army he doesn't have the power but I think he would do whatever it takes to enforce his ideology given the chance
So what do you think he would do. You say he's worse than Stalin and Mussolini, so what do you think he would do if he could?
I said worse than Mussolini. He would do whatever every communist dictator does"Like what, what do you honestly believe that he would do? | |||
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"The thing is, the further left you go, as in a circle, the more right you become. Having been a socialist for years socialism as it was wasn't enough for Mussolini and after WW1 he turned on the socialists and created a new form of Nationalist Socialism, or in other words, fascism and dictatorship where the state is all powerful Oh. So a bit like Corbynism then. Corbyn might be a dick, but he is hardly the same as Mussolini, he's on the wrong side of the political spectrum for a start. really? Anti capitalism, nationalisation, dictatorship, agree with me or you'll be thrown out (deselected) etc etc. He's the other side of the same coin only worse Corbyn is worse than Mussolini?
Given half a chance Corbyn teamed up with his sweet smiling back stabbing wingman could be worse that Stalin.
Today the purge of the Labour party in 2020 it could be the purge of the country.
Really? You must have a very poor grasp of history, or an extremely warped view of politics if you think that he would actually be worse than Stalin and Mussolini.
is Corbyn history?
So, Stalin now. Was he left or right? And could he be described as a fascist?
The question was ... do you really think this is a valid comparison?
I do certainly
So what do you think he would do if he was PM that would be worse than Stalin did?
moot point because without the army he doesn't have the power but I think he would do whatever it takes to enforce his ideology given the chance
So what do you think he would do. You say he's worse than Stalin and Mussolini, so what do you think he would do if he could?
I said worse than Mussolini. He would do whatever every communist dictator does
Like what, what do you honestly believe that he would do? "I have just told you. What is it that communist dictators always end up doing? Do not be fooled because he's a softly spoken little old man, he is dangerous | |||
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"The thing is, the further left you go, as in a circle, the more right you become. Having been a socialist for years socialism as it was wasn't enough for Mussolini and after WW1 he turned on the socialists and created a new form of Nationalist Socialism, or in other words, fascism and dictatorship where the state is all powerful Oh. So a bit like Corbynism then. Corbyn might be a dick, but he is hardly the same as Mussolini, he's on the wrong side of the political spectrum for a start. really? Anti capitalism, nationalisation, dictatorship, agree with me or you'll be thrown out (deselected) etc etc. He's the other side of the same coin only worse Corbyn is worse than Mussolini?
Given half a chance Corbyn teamed up with his sweet smiling back stabbing wingman could be worse that Stalin.
Today the purge of the Labour party in 2020 it could be the purge of the country.
Really? You must have a very poor grasp of history, or an extremely warped view of politics if you think that he would actually be worse than Stalin and Mussolini.
is Corbyn history?
So, Stalin now. Was he left or right? And could he be described as a fascist?
The question was ... do you really think this is a valid comparison?
I do certainly
So what do you think he would do if he was PM that would be worse than Stalin did?
moot point because without the army he doesn't have the power but I think he would do whatever it takes to enforce his ideology given the chance
So what do you think he would do. You say he's worse than Stalin and Mussolini, so what do you think he would do if he could?
I said worse than Mussolini. He would do whatever every communist dictator does
Like what, what do you honestly believe that he would do?
I have just told you. What is it that communist dictators always end up doing? Do not be fooled because he's a softly spoken little old man, he is dangerous"I'd like to know exactly what it is too | |||
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"The thing is, the further left you go, as in a circle, the more right you become. Having been a socialist for years socialism as it was wasn't enough for Mussolini and after WW1 he turned on the socialists and created a new form of Nationalist Socialism, or in other words, fascism and dictatorship where the state is all powerful Oh. So a bit like Corbynism then. Corbyn might be a dick, but he is hardly the same as Mussolini, he's on the wrong side of the political spectrum for a start. really? Anti capitalism, nationalisation, dictatorship, agree with me or you'll be thrown out (deselected) etc etc. He's the other side of the same coin only worse Corbyn is worse than Mussolini?
Given half a chance Corbyn teamed up with his sweet smiling back stabbing wingman could be worse that Stalin.
Today the purge of the Labour party in 2020 it could be the purge of the country.
Really? You must have a very poor grasp of history, or an extremely warped view of politics if you think that he would actually be worse than Stalin and Mussolini.
is Corbyn history?
So, Stalin now. Was he left or right? And could he be described as a fascist?
The question was ... do you really think this is a valid comparison?
I do certainly
So what do you think he would do if he was PM that would be worse than Stalin did?
moot point because without the army he doesn't have the power but I think he would do whatever it takes to enforce his ideology given the chance
So what do you think he would do. You say he's worse than Stalin and Mussolini, so what do you think he would do if he could?
I said worse than Mussolini. He would do whatever every communist dictator does
Like what, what do you honestly believe that he would do?
I have just told you. What is it that communist dictators always end up doing? Do not be fooled because he's a softly spoken little old man, he is dangerous
I'd like to know exactly what it is too"then read some history | |||
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"Isolationist China..... the country that every western 'democracy' is trying to suck up to so they can get piece of the pie. China is in demand for cash to buy nuclear futures and crap premier league footballers. China is a one party state but it is no more Socialist than my left testicle. They are the cash cow and countries such as the UK don't give a shit about what regime they have in place as long as they can get their hands on some of their wealth I meant isolationist in the fact they do not rely on anybody have extremely low immigration import next to nothing so of course they want tariff free trade with everyone as it only benefits them and be real the only people getting rich through their foreign investment is them" And that is why they are such a wealthy nation, because of their self imposed isolation. A lot of lessons could be learned from them. | |||
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"The thing is, the further left you go, as in a circle, the more right you become. Having been a socialist for years socialism as it was wasn't enough for Mussolini and after WW1 he turned on the socialists and created a new form of Nationalist Socialism, or in other words, fascism and dictatorship where the state is all powerful Oh. So a bit like Corbynism then. Corbyn might be a dick, but he is hardly the same as Mussolini, he's on the wrong side of the political spectrum for a start. really? Anti capitalism, nationalisation, dictatorship, agree with me or you'll be thrown out (deselected) etc etc. He's the other side of the same coin only worse Corbyn is worse than Mussolini?
Given half a chance Corbyn teamed up with his sweet smiling back stabbing wingman could be worse that Stalin.
Today the purge of the Labour party in 2020 it could be the purge of the country.
Really? You must have a very poor grasp of history, or an extremely warped view of politics if you think that he would actually be worse than Stalin and Mussolini.
is Corbyn history?
So, Stalin now. Was he left or right? And could he be described as a fascist?
The question was ... do you really think this is a valid comparison?
I do certainly
So what do you think he would do if he was PM that would be worse than Stalin did?
moot point because without the army he doesn't have the power but I think he would do whatever it takes to enforce his ideology given the chance
So what do you think he would do. You say he's worse than Stalin and Mussolini, so what do you think he would do if he could?
I said worse than Mussolini. He would do whatever every communist dictator does
Like what, what do you honestly believe that he would do?
I have just told you. What is it that communist dictators always end up doing? Do not be fooled because he's a softly spoken little old man, he is dangerous
I'd like to know exactly what it is too
then read some history"Strangely enough I have a degree in history and my three children have done GCSEs and one has done an A level so I do know a fair bit. Seems like you dont though, as you think you can make a throw away comment and not substantiate it. I'd like to know your take on your definition of history. | |||
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"The thing is, the further left you go, as in a circle, the more right you become. Having been a socialist for years socialism as it was wasn't enough for Mussolini and after WW1 he turned on the socialists and created a new form of Nationalist Socialism, or in other words, fascism and dictatorship where the state is all powerful Oh. So a bit like Corbynism then. Corbyn might be a dick, but he is hardly the same as Mussolini, he's on the wrong side of the political spectrum for a start. really? Anti capitalism, nationalisation, dictatorship, agree with me or you'll be thrown out (deselected) etc etc. He's the other side of the same coin only worse Corbyn is worse than Mussolini?
Given half a chance Corbyn teamed up with his sweet smiling back stabbing wingman could be worse that Stalin.
Today the purge of the Labour party in 2020 it could be the purge of the country.
Really? You must have a very poor grasp of history, or an extremely warped view of politics if you think that he would actually be worse than Stalin and Mussolini.
is Corbyn history?
So, Stalin now. Was he left or right? And could he be described as a fascist?
The question was ... do you really think this is a valid comparison?
I do certainly
So what do you think he would do if he was PM that would be worse than Stalin did?
moot point because without the army he doesn't have the power but I think he would do whatever it takes to enforce his ideology given the chance
So what do you think he would do. You say he's worse than Stalin and Mussolini, so what do you think he would do if he could?
I said worse than Mussolini. He would do whatever every communist dictator does
Like what, what do you honestly believe that he would do?
I have just told you. What is it that communist dictators always end up doing? Do not be fooled because he's a softly spoken little old man, he is dangerous
I'd like to know exactly what it is too
then read some history
Strangely enough I have a degree in history and my three children have done GCSEs and one has done an A level so I do know a fair bit. Seems like you dont though, as you think you can make a throw away comment and not substantiate it. I'd like to know your take on your definition of history. "What is it I don't know? | |||
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"The thing is, the further left you go, as in a circle, the more right you become. Having been a socialist for years socialism as it was wasn't enough for Mussolini and after WW1 he turned on the socialists and created a new form of Nationalist Socialism, or in other words, fascism and dictatorship where the state is all powerful Oh. So a bit like Corbynism then. Corbyn might be a dick, but he is hardly the same as Mussolini, he's on the wrong side of the political spectrum for a start. really? Anti capitalism, nationalisation, dictatorship, agree with me or you'll be thrown out (deselected) etc etc. He's the other side of the same coin only worse Corbyn is worse than Mussolini?
Given half a chance Corbyn teamed up with his sweet smiling back stabbing wingman could be worse that Stalin.
Today the purge of the Labour party in 2020 it could be the purge of the country.
Really? You must have a very poor grasp of history, or an extremely warped view of politics if you think that he would actually be worse than Stalin and Mussolini.
is Corbyn history?
So, Stalin now. Was he left or right? And could he be described as a fascist?
The question was ... do you really think this is a valid comparison?
I do certainly
So what do you think he would do if he was PM that would be worse than Stalin did?
moot point because without the army he doesn't have the power but I think he would do whatever it takes to enforce his ideology given the chance
So what do you think he would do. You say he's worse than Stalin and Mussolini, so what do you think he would do if he could?
I said worse than Mussolini. He would do whatever every communist dictator does
Like what, what do you honestly believe that he would do?
I have just told you. What is it that communist dictators always end up doing? Do not be fooled because he's a softly spoken little old man, he is dangerous
I'd like to know exactly what it is too
then read some history
Strangely enough I have a degree in history and my three children have done GCSEs and one has done an A level so I do know a fair bit. Seems like you dont though, as you think you can make a throw away comment and not substantiate it. I'd like to know your take on your definition of history.
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"Ok, the word fascist is misused and misunderstood these days and is a kind of throw away word used to describe a bully. Corbyn is a Socialist/Communist. Now although in theory communism differs significantly from fascism, in practice the two ideologies are nearly identical. The many similarities include the pervasiveness of nationalism, statism, totalitarianism and militarianism. Both communist and fascist governments have employed propoganda, military rule and execution of political dissidents. Probably the biggest similarity is simply the suppresion of democratic process and neglect foq human rights. That is what I have learnt from history and that is what history tells us. I repeat, Corbyn is a Socialist/Communist so be careful who you vote for. good night" You are saying Corbin is capable of military rule and execution of political dissidents??? Well, I disagree and he's got my vote. I dont vote very often, only once before .... | |||
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"Just about, if not all nationalist, or facist parties past and present, have left wing policies. I won't link to NF or BNP, but they both have socialist policies. In Nazi Germany, there was a lot of socialist government policies, and if the Strasser brothers had their way the NSDAP would have swung even further to the left. On the so called political right today, there are a number of "Strasserites" involved at top level. Perhaps they will take over one day, and the fascist (note the small f), parties will also go totally left wing?" I really don't understand why you guys are having such a hard time grasping such a simple concept: Fascist parties have Fascist policies. Socialist parties have Socialist policies. Fascists are on the right, socialists on the left. | |||
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"I tried to explain, nevermind.  "Well if we follow your logic, why do you say that facist parties follow socialist policies? How do you know it isn't socialist parties following fascist policies? | |||
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"Just about, if not all nationalist, or facist parties past and present, have left wing policies. I won't link to NF or BNP, but they both have socialist policies. In Nazi Germany, there was a lot of socialist government policies, and if the Strasser brothers had their way the NSDAP would have swung even further to the left. On the so called political right today, there are a number of "Strasserites" involved at top level. Perhaps they will take over one day, and the fascist (note the small f), parties will also go totally left wing? I really don't understand why you guys are having such a hard time grasping such a simple concept: Fascist parties have Fascist policies. Socialist parties have Socialist policies. Fascists are on the right, socialists on the left. " So you will be able to tell us the difference in the outcome when either side has taken control of a country won't you? | |||
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"Just about, if not all nationalist, or facist parties past and present, have left wing policies. I won't link to NF or BNP, but they both have socialist policies. In Nazi Germany, there was a lot of socialist government policies, and if the Strasser brothers had their way the NSDAP would have swung even further to the left. On the so called political right today, there are a number of "Strasserites" involved at top level. Perhaps they will take over one day, and the fascist (note the small f), parties will also go totally left wing? I really don't understand why you guys are having such a hard time grasping such a simple concept: Fascist parties have Fascist policies. Socialist parties have Socialist policies. Fascists are on the right, socialists on the left. So you will be able to tell us the difference in the outcome when either side has taken control of a country won't you?" Just because the outcome is the same, it doesn't mean that the policy wasn't ideologically driven by two different ideologies. As with all of my debates, I have given proof supporting my arguements. I have given Wikipedia articles due to forum rules, but every political text book also says that communism is on the left and fascism is on the right. Every history book will tell you that Stalin was on the left, Franco, Mussolini and Hitler on the right. If you think I am wrong, then please substantiate your claims with some proof. Tell me what book supports your claims, which academic echos your beliefs etc. I know you hate experts, but are you going to say that there aren't any experts in history or political theory as well? | |||
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"Just about, if not all nationalist, or facist parties past and present, have left wing policies. I won't link to NF or BNP, but they both have socialist policies. In Nazi Germany, there was a lot of socialist government policies, and if the Strasser brothers had their way the NSDAP would have swung even further to the left. On the so called political right today, there are a number of "Strasserites" involved at top level. Perhaps they will take over one day, and the fascist (note the small f), parties will also go totally left wing? I really don't understand why you guys are having such a hard time grasping such a simple concept: Fascist parties have Fascist policies. Socialist parties have Socialist policies. Fascists are on the right, socialists on the left. So you will be able to tell us the difference in the outcome when either side has taken control of a country won't you? Just because the outcome is the same, it doesn't mean that the policy wasn't ideologically driven by two different ideologies. As with all of my debates, I have given proof supporting my arguements. I have given Wikipedia articles due to forum rules, but every political text book also says that communism is on the left and fascism is on the right. Every history book will tell you that Stalin was on the left, Franco, Mussolini and Hitler on the right. If you think I am wrong, then please substantiate your claims with some proof. Tell me what book supports your claims, which academic echos your beliefs etc. I know you hate experts, but are you going to say that there aren't any experts in history or political theory as well? " what difference does a name make if the outcome is the same? | |||
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"Just about, if not all nationalist, or facist parties past and present, have left wing policies. I won't link to NF or BNP, but they both have socialist policies. In Nazi Germany, there was a lot of socialist government policies, and if the Strasser brothers had their way the NSDAP would have swung even further to the left. On the so called political right today, there are a number of "Strasserites" involved at top level. Perhaps they will take over one day, and the fascist (note the small f), parties will also go totally left wing? I really don't understand why you guys are having such a hard time grasping such a simple concept: Fascist parties have Fascist policies. Socialist parties have Socialist policies. Fascists are on the right, socialists on the left. So you will be able to tell us the difference in the outcome when either side has taken control of a country won't you? Just because the outcome is the same, it doesn't mean that the policy wasn't ideologically driven by two different ideologies. As with all of my debates, I have given proof supporting my arguements. I have given Wikipedia articles due to forum rules, but every political text book also says that communism is on the left and fascism is on the right. Every history book will tell you that Stalin was on the left, Franco, Mussolini and Hitler on the right. If you think I am wrong, then please substantiate your claims with some proof. Tell me what book supports your claims, which academic echos your beliefs etc. I know you hate experts, but are you going to say that there aren't any experts in history or political theory as well? what difference does a name make if the outcome is the same?" of course it matters. For some people being accurate and correct obviously doesn't matter, but for people like me, it matters.
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"Lots of words exchange and still no one views have changed. CandM4U, nice catch there on neo fascism, neo nazis called Pinochet a pansy and not worthy of facism. Since it was supported by the Americans to privatise the nations copper. In the end it was about power and money. Although he was Allende's right hand man who was a Marxist/socialist democratically elected president. So was Pinochet left or right? Does it really matter? We change our ideology when we grow up. I'm not a lefty other than the hand I use to wank with ."you're right, just trying to point out that fascism originally came from the left and if people don't understand that it can come from the left then the same mistakes will be made. too much information on the wanking though | |||
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"Twisted as usual. Ok back to the original point, fascism comes from the left. A browse through history books or the internet will tell you this. Try 'The Mystery of Fascism' by David Ramsey Steele- 'From 1912-1914 Mussolini was the Che Guevara of his day, a living saint of leftism, an erudite Marxist he was the peerless 'duce' of the Italian left. In 1919 Mussolini and a group of adherents launched the fascist movement, the initiators were mostly men of the left, revolutionary syndicalists and former Marxists' and on it goes. Or try 'The Birth of Fascist Ideology From Cultural Rebellion to Political Revolution'- which explains how fascism was born out of Marxism, there are dozens of places you could learn from. Or would you prefer to deny history? Classing fascism as of the right is a relatively new way of looking at it by academics. " https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_spectrum "Most long-standing spectra include a right wing and left wing, which originally referred to seating arrangements in the French parliament after the Revolution (1789–99).[1] According to the simplest left–right axis, communism and socialism are usually regarded internationally as being on the left, opposite fascism and conservatism on the right." fascism 'fa??z  m/
noun
an authoritarian and nationalistic right-wing system of government and social organization.
Benito Mussolini described fascism in Doctrine of Fascism as follows:[26]
"Granted that the 19th century was the century of socialism, liberalism, democracy, this does not mean that the 20th century must also be the century of socialism, liberalism, democracy. Political doctrines pass; nations remain. We are free to believe that this is the century of authority, a century tending to the 'right', a Fascist century. If the 19th century was the century of the individual (liberalism implies individualism) we are free to believe that this is the 'collective' century, and therefore the century of the State"
And I think Eco's ideas on Fascism very closely mirror one side of the Brexit debate:
In his 1995 essay "Eternal Fascism", Umberto Eco lists fourteen general properties of fascist ideology.[12] He argues that it is not possible to organise these into a coherent system, but that "it is enough that one of them be present to allow fascism to coagulate around it". He uses the term "Ur-fascism" as a generic description of different historical forms of fascism. Eleven of the fourteen properties are as follows:
"The Cult of Tradition", characterized by cultural syncretism, even at the risk of internal contradiction. When all truth has already been revealed by Tradition, no new learning can occur, only further interpretation and refinement.
"The Rejection of modernism", which views the rationalistic development of Western culture since the Enlightenment as a descent into depravity. Eco distinguishes this from a rejection of superficial technological advancement, as many fascist regimes cite their industrial potency as proof of the vitality of their system.
"The Cult of Action for Action's Sake", which dictates that action is of value in itself, and should be taken without intellectual reflection. This, says Eco, is connected with anti-intellectualism and irrationalism, and often manifests in attacks on modern culture and science.
"Disagreement Is Treason" – Fascism devalues intellectual discourse and critical reasoning as barriers to action, as well as out of fear that such analysis will expose the contradictions embodied in a syncretistic faith.
"Fear of Difference", which fascism seeks to exploit and exacerbate, often in the form of racism or an appeal against foreigners and immigrants.
"Appeal to a Frustrated Middle Class", fearing economic pressure from the demands and aspirations of lower social groups.
"Obsession with a Plot" and the hyping-up of an enemy threat. This often combines an appeal to xenophobia with a fear of disloyalty and sabotage from marginalized groups living within the society (such as the German elite's 'fear' of the 1930s Jewish populace's businesses and well-doings; see also anti-Semitism). Eco also cites Pat Robertson's book The New World Order as a prominent example of a plot obsession.
Fascist societies rhetorically cast their enemies as "at the same time too strong and too weak." On the one hand, fascists play up the power of certain disfavored elites to encourage in their followers a sense of grievance and humiliation. On the other hand, fascist leaders point to the decadence of those elites as proof of their ultimate feebleness in the face of an overwhelming popular will.
"Pacifism is Trafficking with the Enemy" because "Life is Permanent Warfare" – there must always be an enemy to fight. Both fascist Germany under Hitler and Italy under Mussolini worked first to organize and clean up their respective countries and then build the war machines that they later intended to and did use, despite Germany being under restrictions of the Versailles treaty to NOT build a military force. This principle leads to a fundamental contradiction within fascism: the incompatibility of ultimate triumph with perpetual war.
"Contempt for the Weak", which is uncomfortably married to a chauvinistic popular elitism, in which every member of society is superior to outsiders by virtue of belonging to the in-group. Eco sees in these attitudes the root of a deep tension in the fundamentally hierarchical structure of fascist polities, as they encourage leaders to despise their underlings, up to the ultimate Leader who holds the whole country in contempt for having allowed him to overtake it by force.
"Everybody is Educated to Become a Hero", which leads to the embrace of a cult of death. As Eco observes, "[t]he Ur-Fascist hero is impatient to die. In his impatience, he more frequently sends other people to death."
"Machismo", which sublimates the difficult work of permanent war and heroism into the sexual sphere. Fascists thus hold "both disdain for women and intolerance and condemnation of nonstandard sexual habits, from chastity to homosexuality."
"Selective Populism" – The People, conceived monolithically, have a Common Will, distinct from and superior to the viewpoint of any individual. As no mass of people can ever be truly unanimous, the Leader holds himself out as the interpreter of the popular will (though truly he dictates it). Fascists use this concept to delegitimize democratic institutions they accuse of "no longer represent[ing] the Voice of the People."
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"Twisted as usual. Ok back to the original point, fascism comes from the left. A browse through history books or the internet will tell you this. Try 'The Mystery of Fascism' by David Ramsey Steele- 'From 1912-1914 Mussolini was the Che Guevara of his day, a living saint of leftism, an erudite Marxist he was the peerless 'duce' of the Italian left. In 1919 Mussolini and a group of adherents launched the fascist movement, the initiators were mostly men of the left, revolutionary syndicalists and former Marxists' and on it goes. Or try 'The Birth of Fascist Ideology From Cultural Rebellion to Political Revolution'- which explains how fascism was born out of Marxism, there are dozens of places you could learn from. Or would you prefer to deny history? Classing fascism as of the right is a relatively new way of looking at it by academics. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_spectrum "Most long-standing spectra include a right wing and left wing, which originally referred to seating arrangements in the French parliament after the Revolution (1789–99).[1] According to the simplest left–right axis, communism and socialism are usually regarded internationally as being on the left, opposite fascism and conservatism on the right." fascism 'fa??z m/
noun
an authoritarian and nationalistic right-wing system of government and social organization.
Benito Mussolini described fascism in Doctrine of Fascism as follows:[26]
"Granted that the 19th century was the century of socialism, liberalism, democracy, this does not mean that the 20th century must also be the century of socialism, liberalism, democracy. Political doctrines pass; nations remain. We are free to believe that this is the century of authority, a century tending to the 'right', a Fascist century. If the 19th century was the century of the individual (liberalism implies individualism) we are free to believe that this is the 'collective' century, and therefore the century of the State"
And I think Eco's ideas on Fascism very closely mirror one side of the Brexit debate:
In his 1995 essay "Eternal Fascism", Umberto Eco lists fourteen general properties of fascist ideology.[12] He argues that it is not possible to organise these into a coherent system, but that "it is enough that one of them be present to allow fascism to coagulate around it". He uses the term "Ur-fascism" as a generic description of different historical forms of fascism. Eleven of the fourteen properties are as follows:
"The Cult of Tradition", characterized by cultural syncretism, even at the risk of internal contradiction. When all truth has already been revealed by Tradition, no new learning can occur, only further interpretation and refinement.
"The Rejection of modernism", which views the rationalistic development of Western culture since the Enlightenment as a descent into depravity. Eco distinguishes this from a rejection of superficial technological advancement, as many fascist regimes cite their industrial potency as proof of the vitality of their system.
"The Cult of Action for Action's Sake", which dictates that action is of value in itself, and should be taken without intellectual reflection. This, says Eco, is connected with anti-intellectualism and irrationalism, and often manifests in attacks on modern culture and science.
"Disagreement Is Treason" – Fascism devalues intellectual discourse and critical reasoning as barriers to action, as well as out of fear that such analysis will expose the contradictions embodied in a syncretistic faith.
"Fear of Difference", which fascism seeks to exploit and exacerbate, often in the form of racism or an appeal against foreigners and immigrants.
"Appeal to a Frustrated Middle Class", fearing economic pressure from the demands and aspirations of lower social groups.
"Obsession with a Plot" and the hyping-up of an enemy threat. This often combines an appeal to xenophobia with a fear of disloyalty and sabotage from marginalized groups living within the society (such as the German elite's 'fear' of the 1930s Jewish populace's businesses and well-doings; see also anti-Semitism). Eco also cites Pat Robertson's book The New World Order as a prominent example of a plot obsession.
Fascist societies rhetorically cast their enemies as "at the same time too strong and too weak." On the one hand, fascists play up the power of certain disfavored elites to encourage in their followers a sense of grievance and humiliation. On the other hand, fascist leaders point to the decadence of those elites as proof of their ultimate feebleness in the face of an overwhelming popular will.
"Pacifism is Trafficking with the Enemy" because "Life is Permanent Warfare" – there must always be an enemy to fight. Both fascist Germany under Hitler and Italy under Mussolini worked first to organize and clean up their respective countries and then build the war machines that they later intended to and did use, despite Germany being under restrictions of the Versailles treaty to NOT build a military force. This principle leads to a fundamental contradiction within fascism: the incompatibility of ultimate triumph with perpetual war.
"Contempt for the Weak", which is uncomfortably married to a chauvinistic popular elitism, in which every member of society is superior to outsiders by virtue of belonging to the in-group. Eco sees in these attitudes the root of a deep tension in the fundamentally hierarchical structure of fascist polities, as they encourage leaders to despise their underlings, up to the ultimate Leader who holds the whole country in contempt for having allowed him to overtake it by force.
"Everybody is Educated to Become a Hero", which leads to the embrace of a cult of death. As Eco observes, "[t]he Ur-Fascist hero is impatient to die. In his impatience, he more frequently sends other people to death."
"Machismo", which sublimates the difficult work of permanent war and heroism into the sexual sphere. Fascists thus hold "both disdain for women and intolerance and condemnation of nonstandard sexual habits, from chastity to homosexuality."
"Selective Populism" – The People, conceived monolithically, have a Common Will, distinct from and superior to the viewpoint of any individual. As no mass of people can ever be truly unanimous, the Leader holds himself out as the interpreter of the popular will (though truly he dictates it). Fascists use this concept to delegitimize democratic institutions they accuse of "no longer represent[ing] the Voice of the People."
"Newspeak" – Fascism employs and promotes an impoverished vocabulary in order to limit critical reasoning"I have read all that before. What is your point? | |||
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