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"Shouldn't this be in the Politics Forum?" I just posted a thread about this there. | |||
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"I'm not sure why they're still in business, now that we've had the referendum. "Still need to keep the pressure on the government to deliver Brexit for the 52% who voted Leave. | |||
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"I'm not sure why they're still in business, now that we've had the referendum.
Still need to keep the pressure on the government to deliver Brexit for the 52% who voted Leave. "As no one on the leave side provided any suggestions on the details the ball is now in the tory court which is getting larger with new ukip defectors | |||
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"I'm not sure why they're still in business, now that we've had the referendum.
Still need to keep the pressure on the government to deliver Brexit for the 52% who voted Leave.
As no one on the leave side provided any suggestions on the details the ball is now in the tory court which is getting larger with new ukip defectors"UKIP defectors will help to give more influence to deliver a hard Brexit within the Tory party, so it's all good news the way I see it.  | |||
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" Still need to keep the pressure on the government to deliver Brexit for the 52% who voted Leave. " The 52% of the 72% who turned out. Who voted for full access to the single market AND control of immigration AND £350m a week to be put into the NHS etc. | |||
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" Still need to keep the pressure on the government to deliver Brexit for the 52% who voted Leave. The 52% of the 72% who turned out. Who voted for full access to the single market AND control of immigration AND £350m a week to be put into the NHS etc. " So you're saying the other 28% care so much about remain they couldn't get off their arse for it? | |||
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" Still need to keep the pressure on the government to deliver Brexit for the 52% who voted Leave. The 52% of the 72% who turned out. Who voted for full access to the single market AND control of immigration AND £350m a week to be put into the NHS etc. " I didn't vote for any of that I voted to leave europe end of. What makes you think the 28% would have voted any different to the 72% and why do you think there relevant anyhow if they couldnt be bothered voting? I think that despite the government funded project fear we still voted out speaks volumes. Re ukip new leader I hope she does well just a shame nigel couldn't be pm I think he would be brilliant. | |||
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" Still need to keep the pressure on the government to deliver Brexit for the 52% who voted Leave. The 52% of the 72% who turned out. Who voted for full access to the single market AND control of immigration AND £350m a week to be put into the NHS etc. " I didn't vote Leave to keep access to the single market so dont pretend that you know the reasons why people voted Leave. Access to the single market is way down near the very bottom on the list of priorities for me. I'd rather we leave the single market, stop the free movement of people, stop Brussels interference with our laws and stop the payments we make to the EU altogether. | |||
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"She's the fat one from the Daily Politics show right? " No that's Diane Abbott.  | |||
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"She's the fat one from the Daily Politics show right? No that's Diane Abbott. "Do their political views vary by much? | |||
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" What makes you think the 28% would have voted any different to the 72% and why do you think there relevant anyhow if they couldnt be bothered voting? I think that despite the government funded project fear we still voted out speaks volumes. " It speaks volumes to the incompetence of David Cameron and it speaks volumes to the bigger project fear of the Leave campaign. If it was such a right decision, if people made such a considered, informed choice, what is the problem with consulting the country again once we actually see what sort of a pigs ear we are likely to get rather than the fantasy land the media let you get away with peddling? They will vote Leave again, surely if it so clearly a good thing. | |||
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" What makes you think the 28% would have voted any different to the 72% and why do you think there relevant anyhow if they couldnt be bothered voting? I think that despite the government funded project fear we still voted out speaks volumes. It speaks volumes to the incompetence of David Cameron and it speaks volumes to the bigger project fear of the Leave campaign. If it was such a right decision, if people made such a considered, informed choice, what is the problem with consulting the country again once we actually see what sort of a pigs ear we are likely to get rather than the fantasy land the media let you get away with peddling? They will vote Leave again, surely if it so clearly a good thing. " DC got his deal,we voted on that and are now leaving, if we say to the Eu what can we have if we leave and then have another vote do you really think they would offer anything ? And they say the leave voters were thick | |||
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"So UKIP have a new leader..... How successful do we think she will be? Will she be able to emerge from the lingering shadow that is Nigel Farage?" I think Ukip will do ok with her in charge | |||
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"So UKIP have a new leader..... How successful do we think she will be? Will she be able to emerge from the lingering shadow that is Nigel Farage? I think Ukip will do ok with her in charge " The party is irrelevant now. It's achieved it's goal. It should disband and go out with its head held high. Unfortunately, it'll probably do what the trade unions do and keep fighting the fight long after its won. Creating new, imaginary fights to try and stay relevant. Drifting further and further into la la land. The reason Cameron was so keen on a referendum was because he knew it would destroy UKIP, whatever the result. | |||
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"So UKIP have a new leader..... How successful do we think she will be? Will she be able to emerge from the lingering shadow that is Nigel Farage? I think Ukip will do ok with her in charge The party is irrelevant now. It's achieved it's goal. It should disband and go out with its head held high. Unfortunately, it'll probably do what the trade unions do and keep fighting the fight long after its won. Creating new, imaginary fights to try and stay relevant. Drifting further and further into la la land. The reason Cameron was so keen on a referendum was because he knew it would destroy UKIP, whatever the result. " Well looks like he was wrong and I think you are wrong too why should they disband they have a right to their say just like any other party. | |||
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"So UKIP have a new leader..... How successful do we think she will be? Will she be able to emerge from the lingering shadow that is Nigel Farage? I think Ukip will do ok with her in charge The party is irrelevant now. It's achieved it's goal. It should disband and go out with its head held high. Unfortunately, it'll probably do what the trade unions do and keep fighting the fight long after its won. Creating new, imaginary fights to try and stay relevant. Drifting further and further into la la land. The reason Cameron was so keen on a referendum was because he knew it would destroy UKIP, whatever the result. Well looks like he was wrong and I think you are wrong too why should they disband they have a right to their say just like any other party." It doesn't bother me whether they stick around or not, I'm simply saying that they are an irrelevance now and that's a compliment to them having achieved what they set out to. | |||
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"So UKIP have a new leader..... How successful do we think she will be? Will she be able to emerge from the lingering shadow that is Nigel Farage? I think Ukip will do ok with her in charge The party is irrelevant now. It's achieved it's goal. It should disband and go out with its head held high. Unfortunately, it'll probably do what the trade unions do and keep fighting the fight long after its won. Creating new, imaginary fights to try and stay relevant. Drifting further and further into la la land. The reason Cameron was so keen on a referendum was because he knew it would destroy UKIP, whatever the result. Well looks like he was wrong and I think you are wrong too why should they disband they have a right to their say just like any other party. It doesn't bother me whether they stick around or not, I'm simply saying that they are an irrelevance now and that's a compliment to them having achieved what they set out to. " No they hav,nt Article 50 not invoked we are still full members of the EU untill both achieved they are very relevant. | |||
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"So UKIP have a new leader..... How successful do we think she will be? Will she be able to emerge from the lingering shadow that is Nigel Farage? I think Ukip will do ok with her in charge The party is irrelevant now. It's achieved it's goal. It should disband and go out with its head held high. Unfortunately, it'll probably do what the trade unions do and keep fighting the fight long after its won. Creating new, imaginary fights to try and stay relevant. Drifting further and further into la la land. The reason Cameron was so keen on a referendum was because he knew it would destroy UKIP, whatever the result. Well looks like he was wrong and I think you are wrong too why should they disband they have a right to their say just like any other party. It doesn't bother me whether they stick around or not, I'm simply saying that they are an irrelevance now and that's a compliment to them having achieved what they set out to. No they hav,nt Article 50 not invoked we are still full members of the EU untill both achieved they are very relevant." OK, so what do you think they will be campaigning about in the 2020 general election? | |||
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"So UKIP have a new leader..... How successful do we think she will be? Will she be able to emerge from the lingering shadow that is Nigel Farage? I think Ukip will do ok with her in charge The party is irrelevant now. It's achieved it's goal. It should disband and go out with its head held high. Unfortunately, it'll probably do what the trade unions do and keep fighting the fight long after its won. Creating new, imaginary fights to try and stay relevant. Drifting further and further into la la land. The reason Cameron was so keen on a referendum was because he knew it would destroy UKIP, whatever the result. Well looks like he was wrong and I think you are wrong too why should they disband they have a right to their say just like any other party. It doesn't bother me whether they stick around or not, I'm simply saying that they are an irrelevance now and that's a compliment to them having achieved what they set out to. No they hav,nt Article 50 not invoked we are still full members of the EU untill both achieved they are very relevant. OK, so what do you think they will be campaigning about in the 2020 general election? " That depends on if we are out of the EU by then and the state of the Labour Party | |||
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"So UKIP have a new leader..... How successful do we think she will be? Will she be able to emerge from the lingering shadow that is Nigel Farage? I think Ukip will do ok with her in charge The party is irrelevant now. It's achieved it's goal. It should disband and go out with its head held high. Unfortunately, it'll probably do what the trade unions do and keep fighting the fight long after its won. Creating new, imaginary fights to try and stay relevant. Drifting further and further into la la land. The reason Cameron was so keen on a referendum was because he knew it would destroy UKIP, whatever the result. Well looks like he was wrong and I think you are wrong too why should they disband they have a right to their say just like any other party. It doesn't bother me whether they stick around or not, I'm simply saying that they are an irrelevance now and that's a compliment to them having achieved what they set out to. No they hav,nt Article 50 not invoked we are still full members of the EU untill both achieved they are very relevant. OK, so what do you think they will be campaigning about in the 2020 general election? That depends on if we are out of the EU by then and the state of the Labour Party " And let's assume we have left by then and labour sort their shit out? | |||
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"So UKIP have a new leader..... How successful do we think she will be? Will she be able to emerge from the lingering shadow that is Nigel Farage? I think Ukip will do ok with her in charge The party is irrelevant now. It's achieved it's goal. It should disband and go out with its head held high. Unfortunately, it'll probably do what the trade unions do and keep fighting the fight long after its won. Creating new, imaginary fights to try and stay relevant. Drifting further and further into la la land. The reason Cameron was so keen on a referendum was because he knew it would destroy UKIP, whatever the result. Well looks like he was wrong and I think you are wrong too why should they disband they have a right to their say just like any other party. It doesn't bother me whether they stick around or not, I'm simply saying that they are an irrelevance now and that's a compliment to them having achieved what they set out to. No they hav,nt Article 50 not invoked we are still full members of the EU untill both achieved they are very relevant. OK, so what do you think they will be campaigning about in the 2020 general election? That depends on if we are out of the EU by then and the state of the Labour Party And let's assume we have left by then and labour sort their shit out? " I would say there is still a place for them while ever people vote for them just like any other party. As for what they would be campaigning about I don't know a lot will happen between now and then | |||
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"So UKIP have a new leader..... How successful do we think she will be? Will she be able to emerge from the lingering shadow that is Nigel Farage? I think Ukip will do ok with her in charge The party is irrelevant now. It's achieved it's goal. It should disband and go out with its head held high. Unfortunately, it'll probably do what the trade unions do and keep fighting the fight long after its won. Creating new, imaginary fights to try and stay relevant. Drifting further and further into la la land. The reason Cameron was so keen on a referendum was because he knew it would destroy UKIP, whatever the result. Well looks like he was wrong and I think you are wrong too why should they disband they have a right to their say just like any other party. It doesn't bother me whether they stick around or not, I'm simply saying that they are an irrelevance now and that's a compliment to them having achieved what they set out to. No they hav,nt Article 50 not invoked we are still full members of the EU untill both achieved they are very relevant. OK, so what do you think they will be campaigning about in the 2020 general election? That depends on if we are out of the EU by then and the state of the Labour Party And let's assume we have left by then and labour sort their shit out? I would say there is still a place for them while ever people vote for them just like any other party. As for what they would be campaigning about I don't know a lot will happen between now and then" We're talking about a party that has less MPs than there are pandas in Scotland. It's really hard to foresee a set of circumstances where they increase that. Again, I'm complimenting them really. | |||
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"So UKIP have a new leader..... How successful do we think she will be? Will she be able to emerge from the lingering shadow that is Nigel Farage? I think Ukip will do ok with her in charge The party is irrelevant now. It's achieved it's goal. It should disband and go out with its head held high. Unfortunately, it'll probably do what the trade unions do and keep fighting the fight long after its won. Creating new, imaginary fights to try and stay relevant. Drifting further and further into la la land. The reason Cameron was so keen on a referendum was because he knew it would destroy UKIP, whatever the result. Well looks like he was wrong and I think you are wrong too why should they disband they have a right to their say just like any other party. It doesn't bother me whether they stick around or not, I'm simply saying that they are an irrelevance now and that's a compliment to them having achieved what they set out to. No they hav,nt Article 50 not invoked we are still full members of the EU untill both achieved they are very relevant. OK, so what do you think they will be campaigning about in the 2020 general election? That depends on if we are out of the EU by then and the state of the Labour Party And let's assume we have left by then and labour sort their shit out? I would say there is still a place for them while ever people vote for them just like any other party. As for what they would be campaigning about I don't know a lot will happen between now and then We're talking about a party that has less MPs than there are pandas in Scotland. It's really hard to foresee a set of circumstances where they increase that. Again, I'm complimenting them really. " Giant oaks from little acorns grow springs to mine, it does,nt matter how many MPs they have if people are voting for that party that's all that matters. | |||
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"God only knows how any of the parties are going to do in the next election, now we have had a referendum what is the point of UKIP? Labour are in a complete mess at the moment, but will really be in a dire situation if Corbyn is re-elected as leader. I found an old dusty history book the other day that refers to a party called the Lib Dems, but I dont think they even exist anymore. The SNP can't really expand anymore unless the start going for seats south of the border. Which leaves us with the Tories, who have kind of had a good run of it and could do well if they stick together. However, I have a sneaking suspicion that they are going to go into self destruction mode as the article 50 talks begin and progress, Boris, DD and Dr Fox are going to be stabbing each other in the back as often as possible and I wonder if May will be able to hold them all together. Its certainly an interesting time in politics, and that's just domestically." The fall of Rome made for some interesting drama series. I'm not sure I'd want to have lived through it though. | |||
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"So UKIP have a new leader..... How successful do we think she will be? Will she be able to emerge from the lingering shadow that is Nigel Farage? I think Ukip will do ok with her in charge The party is irrelevant now. It's achieved it's goal. It should disband and go out with its head held high. Unfortunately, it'll probably do what the trade unions do and keep fighting the fight long after its won. Creating new, imaginary fights to try and stay relevant. Drifting further and further into la la land. The reason Cameron was so keen on a referendum was because he knew it would destroy UKIP, whatever the result. Well looks like he was wrong and I think you are wrong too why should they disband they have a right to their say just like any other party. It doesn't bother me whether they stick around or not, I'm simply saying that they are an irrelevance now and that's a compliment to them having achieved what they set out to. No they hav,nt Article 50 not invoked we are still full members of the EU untill both achieved they are very relevant. OK, so what do you think they will be campaigning about in the 2020 general election? That depends on if we are out of the EU by then and the state of the Labour Party And let's assume we have left by then and labour sort their shit out? I would say there is still a place for them while ever people vote for them just like any other party. As for what they would be campaigning about I don't know a lot will happen between now and then We're talking about a party that has less MPs than there are pandas in Scotland. It's really hard to foresee a set of circumstances where they increase that. Again, I'm complimenting them really. Giant oaks from little acorns grow springs to mine, it does,nt matter how many MPs they have if people are voting for that party that's all that matters." under the current system its bums on the seats of the Palace of Westminster that count, if they increase that in 2020 then yes they will have a voice but if that support wanes as some of their core vote are ok with what Brexit is then they will fade away.. | |||
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"So UKIP have a new leader..... How successful do we think she will be? Will she be able to emerge from the lingering shadow that is Nigel Farage? I think Ukip will do ok with her in charge The party is irrelevant now. It's achieved it's goal. It should disband and go out with its head held high. Unfortunately, it'll probably do what the trade unions do and keep fighting the fight long after its won. Creating new, imaginary fights to try and stay relevant. Drifting further and further into la la land. The reason Cameron was so keen on a referendum was because he knew it would destroy UKIP, whatever the result. Well looks like he was wrong and I think you are wrong too why should they disband they have a right to their say just like any other party. It doesn't bother me whether they stick around or not, I'm simply saying that they are an irrelevance now and that's a compliment to them having achieved what they set out to. No they hav,nt Article 50 not invoked we are still full members of the EU untill both achieved they are very relevant. OK, so what do you think they will be campaigning about in the 2020 general election? That depends on if we are out of the EU by then and the state of the Labour Party And let's assume we have left by then and labour sort their shit out? I would say there is still a place for them while ever people vote for them just like any other party. As for what they would be campaigning about I don't know a lot will happen between now and then We're talking about a party that has less MPs than there are pandas in Scotland. It's really hard to foresee a set of circumstances where they increase that. Again, I'm complimenting them really. Giant oaks from little acorns grow springs to mine, it does,nt matter how many MPs they have if people are voting for that party that's all that matters. under the current system its bums on the seats of the Palace of Westminster that count, if they increase that in 2020 then yes they will have a voice but if that support wanes as some of their core vote are ok with what Brexit is then they will fade away.." Then it looks like we will all have to wait and see but suspect other things will raise there ugly head well before 2020 to keep Ukip busy. | |||
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"So UKIP have a new leader..... How successful do we think she will be? Will she be able to emerge from the lingering shadow that is Nigel Farage? I think Ukip will do ok with her in charge The party is irrelevant now. It's achieved it's goal. It should disband and go out with its head held high. Unfortunately, it'll probably do what the trade unions do and keep fighting the fight long after its won. Creating new, imaginary fights to try and stay relevant. Drifting further and further into la la land. The reason Cameron was so keen on a referendum was because he knew it would destroy UKIP, whatever the result. Well looks like he was wrong and I think you are wrong too why should they disband they have a right to their say just like any other party. It doesn't bother me whether they stick around or not, I'm simply saying that they are an irrelevance now and that's a compliment to them having achieved what they set out to. No they hav,nt Article 50 not invoked we are still full members of the EU untill both achieved they are very relevant." It says a lot about how insecure you are over the competence of our parliament to take us out of the EU, that you think that UKIP need to exist given that their sole purpose was to get a referendum on the subject. Though then again UKIPers were insecure over their own ability and competence given that A ukip supporter set up the call for a second referendum before the result of the referendum was called. Unless they are going to constructively take up the call for proportional representation, which would benefit them, the greens and lib dems over other parties - and actually come up with ideas of how to implement it rather than just doing a brexit and shouting about the issue, then they should disband. UKIP can ultimately find an issue and work out a solution for it, or backslide. Better to go out at a time when a fair amount of the public might respect them, than to become the reincarnation of the BNP depending on the policies put forward. | |||
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"So UKIP have a new leader..... How successful do we think she will be? Will she be able to emerge from the lingering shadow that is Nigel Farage? I think Ukip will do ok with her in charge The party is irrelevant now. It's achieved it's goal. It should disband and go out with its head held high. Unfortunately, it'll probably do what the trade unions do and keep fighting the fight long after its won. Creating new, imaginary fights to try and stay relevant. Drifting further and further into la la land. The reason Cameron was so keen on a referendum was because he knew it would destroy UKIP, whatever the result. Well looks like he was wrong and I think you are wrong too why should they disband they have a right to their say just like any other party. It doesn't bother me whether they stick around or not, I'm simply saying that they are an irrelevance now and that's a compliment to them having achieved what they set out to. No they hav,nt Article 50 not invoked we are still full members of the EU untill both achieved they are very relevant. It says a lot about how insecure you are over the competence of our parliament to take us out of the EU, that you think that UKIP need to exist given that their sole purpose was to get a referendum on the subject. Though then again UKIPers were insecure over their own ability and competence given that A ukip supporter set up the call for a second referendum before the result of the referendum was called. Unless they are going to constructively take up the call for proportional representation, which would benefit them, the greens and lib dems over other parties - and actually come up with ideas of how to implement it rather than just doing a brexit and shouting about the issue, then they should disband. UKIP can ultimately find an issue and work out a solution for it, or backslide. Better to go out at a time when a fair amount of the public might respect them, than to become the reincarnation of the BNP depending on the policies put forward." Exactly. The referendum is likely to mean that their casual supporters drift back to conservative, which is why dave agreed to it in the first place. Then they will be left with the crazies who destroy a credible part. Kind of like Labour but other side of the political spectrum. | |||
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"So UKIP have a new leader..... How successful do we think she will be? Will she be able to emerge from the lingering shadow that is Nigel Farage? I think Ukip will do ok with her in charge The party is irrelevant now. It's achieved it's goal. It should disband and go out with its head held high. Unfortunately, it'll probably do what the trade unions do and keep fighting the fight long after its won. Creating new, imaginary fights to try and stay relevant. Drifting further and further into la la land. The reason Cameron was so keen on a referendum was because he knew it would destroy UKIP, whatever the result. Well looks like he was wrong and I think you are wrong too why should they disband they have a right to their say just like any other party. It doesn't bother me whether they stick around or not, I'm simply saying that they are an irrelevance now and that's a compliment to them having achieved what they set out to. No they hav,nt Article 50 not invoked we are still full members of the EU untill both achieved they are very relevant. It says a lot about how insecure you are over the competence of our parliament to take us out of the EU, that you think that UKIP need to exist given that their sole purpose was to get a referendum on the subject. Though then again UKIPers were insecure over their own ability and competence given that A ukip supporter set up the call for a second referendum before the result of the referendum was called. Unless they are going to constructively take up the call for proportional representation, which would benefit them, the greens and lib dems over other parties - and actually come up with ideas of how to implement it rather than just doing a brexit and shouting about the issue, then they should disband. UKIP can ultimately find an issue and work out a solution for it, or backslide. Better to go out at a time when a fair amount of the public might respect them, than to become the reincarnation of the BNP depending on the policies put forward." Firstly I,m not a Ukiper as you put it I was giving my opinion and as for this government no I don't trust them with any thing as with all governments they will do what they want. Is it not every parties goal to in government so by your thinking why don't every party disband when they have reached there goal. | |||
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"So UKIP have a new leader..... How successful do we think she will be? Will she be able to emerge from the lingering shadow that is Nigel Farage?" No. UKIP will become irrelevant, quite simply because they were Nigel Farage. Without him they are lacking charisma and personality and of course their principle Sugar Daddy has also abandoned ship. Not to mention that according to Farage, their only MP is regarded as irrelevant to principles of UKIP. She will probably announce a couple of populist and controversial issues in an effort to stamp her mark but I can't see UKIP support doing anything but slide away as moderates and sensible supporters gradually slip away. There will probably be a hard core that will stay as they are the people who have now found their religion in moderate English Nationalism but in terms of numbers and electability - as irrelevant as any of the other fringe parties. | |||
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" I have voted for UKIP almost since they started but now they have achieved what they set out to do I doubt I will vote for them again. " I have been supporting and voting for UKIP for years too. The result on June 23rd was a great victory but the job is still not fully complete. UKIP will remain relevant until article 50 is triggered and until we are actually out of the EU I will continue voting for them. Only when we are fully out of the EU will it be mission accomplished. | |||
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" I have voted for UKIP almost since they started but now they have achieved what they set out to do I doubt I will vote for them again. I have been supporting and voting for UKIP for years too. The result on June 23rd was a great victory but the job is still not fully complete. UKIP will remain relevant until article 50 is triggered and until we are actually out of the EU I will continue voting for them. Only when we are fully out of the EU will it be mission accomplished. " So you and vote for years for independence for the UK, and then on the day you get it you pack up and go home? No plan or vision as to what a newly independent UK would look like or do? | |||
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" So you and vote for years for independence for the UK, and then on the day you get it you pack up and go home? No plan or vision as to what a newly independent UK would look like or do? " Savage | |||
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" I have voted for UKIP almost since they started but now they have achieved what they set out to do I doubt I will vote for them again. I have been supporting and voting for UKIP for years too. The result on June 23rd was a great victory but the job is still not fully complete. UKIP will remain relevant until article 50 is triggered and until we are actually out of the EU I will continue voting for them. Only when we are fully out of the EU will it be mission accomplished. So you and vote for years for independence for the UK, and then on the day you get it you pack up and go home? No plan or vision as to what a newly independent UK would look like or do? " Quite honestly I don't give a fuck as long as we are free of unelected dicks in another country, from now on I vote for who is going to do the best for the UK. | |||
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"So UKIP have a new leader..... How successful do we think she will be? Will she be able to emerge from the lingering shadow that is Nigel Farage? No. UKIP will become irrelevant, quite simply because they were Nigel Farage. Without him they are lacking charisma and personality and of course their principle Sugar Daddy has also abandoned ship. Not to mention that according to Farage, their only MP is regarded as irrelevant to principles of UKIP. She will probably announce a couple of populist and controversial issues in an effort to stamp her mark but I can't see UKIP support doing anything but slide away as moderates and sensible supporters gradually slip away. There will probably be a hard core that will stay as they are the people who have now found their religion in moderate English Nationalism but in terms of numbers and electability - as irrelevant as any of the other fringe parties." . I think your just about correct with that summary, it's one of the reasons i actually like first past the post politics.... It keeps the fringes from gaining actual power and I say that as a green party member. If you look across at the EU who have a greater use of the representation system, they also suffer from small lunatic parties who actually have power!! | |||
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" I have voted for UKIP almost since they started but now they have achieved what they set out to do I doubt I will vote for them again. I have been supporting and voting for UKIP for years too. The result on June 23rd was a great victory but the job is still not fully complete. UKIP will remain relevant until article 50 is triggered and until we are actually out of the EU I will continue voting for them. Only when we are fully out of the EU will it be mission accomplished. So you and vote for years for independence for the UK, and then on the day you get it you pack up and go home? No plan or vision as to what a newly independent UK would look like or do? Quite honestly I don't give a fuck as long as we are free of unelected dicks in another country, from now on I vote for who is going to do the best for the UK." And yet for years you have been voting for the opposite. What have UKIP MEPs achieved for the UK in their time? Farage was on the common fisheries policy committee and attended 1 out of 42 meetings. Even now he still taking the Brussels shilling, and what is Britain getting in return? | |||
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" I have voted for UKIP almost since they started but now they have achieved what they set out to do I doubt I will vote for them again. I have been supporting and voting for UKIP for years too. The result on June 23rd was a great victory but the job is still not fully complete. UKIP will remain relevant until article 50 is triggered and until we are actually out of the EU I will continue voting for them. Only when we are fully out of the EU will it be mission accomplished. So you and vote for years for independence for the UK, and then on the day you get it you pack up and go home? No plan or vision as to what a newly independent UK would look like or do? Quite honestly I don't give a fuck as long as we are free of unelected dicks in another country, from now on I vote for who is going to do the best for the UK. And yet for years you have been voting for the opposite. What have UKIP MEPs achieved for the UK in their time? Farage was on the common fisheries policy committee and attended 1 out of 42 meetings. Even now he still taking the Brussels shilling, and what is Britain getting in return? " Voting for UKIP to get The UK out of the EU is the best for the UK, so it's not voting for the opposite as you conclude. You are a hard line Remainer so you clearly don't get it. And UKIP MEP's have helped the UK achieve Brexit, which is an astonishing achievement considering the odds that were stacked against them. As for Nigel Farage the man deserves a medal for what he has done for this country he should be on the next list for a knighthood in my opinion. | |||
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" Still need to keep the pressure on the government to deliver Brexit for the 52% who voted Leave. The 52% of the 72% who turned out. Who voted for full access to the single market AND control of immigration AND £350m a week to be put into the NHS etc. So you're saying the other 28% care so much about remain they couldn't get off their arse for it?"  | |||
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" I have voted for UKIP almost since they started but now they have achieved what they set out to do I doubt I will vote for them again. I have been supporting and voting for UKIP for years too. The result on June 23rd was a great victory but the job is still not fully complete. UKIP will remain relevant until article 50 is triggered and until we are actually out of the EU I will continue voting for them. Only when we are fully out of the EU will it be mission accomplished. So you and vote for years for independence for the UK, and then on the day you get it you pack up and go home? No plan or vision as to what a newly independent UK would look like or do? Quite honestly I don't give a fuck as long as we are free of unelected dicks in another country, from now on I vote for who is going to do the best for the UK. And yet for years you have been voting for the opposite. What have UKIP MEPs achieved for the UK in their time? Farage was on the common fisheries policy committee and attended 1 out of 42 meetings. Even now he still taking the Brussels shilling, and what is Britain getting in return? Voting for UKIP to get The UK out of the EU is the best for the UK, so it's not voting for the opposite as you conclude. You are a hard line Remainer so you clearly don't get it. And UKIP MEP's have helped the UK achieve Brexit, which is an astonishing achievement considering the odds that were stacked against them. As for Nigel Farage the man deserves a medal for what he has done for this country he should be on the next list for a knighthood in my opinion. " The job of a British MEP is to get the best deal for Britain in the EU, UKIP MEPs have failed to do this. Anything that they did relating to Brexit has not been through the European Parliament. You want to see Farage get a knighthood, I would rather see him face charges of incitement of racial hatred. | |||
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" I have voted for UKIP almost since they started but now they have achieved what they set out to do I doubt I will vote for them again. I have been supporting and voting for UKIP for years too. The result on June 23rd was a great victory but the job is still not fully complete. UKIP will remain relevant until article 50 is triggered and until we are actually out of the EU I will continue voting for them. Only when we are fully out of the EU will it be mission accomplished. So you and vote for years for independence for the UK, and then on the day you get it you pack up and go home? No plan or vision as to what a newly independent UK would look like or do? Quite honestly I don't give a fuck as long as we are free of unelected dicks in another country, from now on I vote for who is going to do the best for the UK. And yet for years you have been voting for the opposite. What have UKIP MEPs achieved for the UK in their time? Farage was on the common fisheries policy committee and attended 1 out of 42 meetings. Even now he still taking the Brussels shilling, and what is Britain getting in return? Voting for UKIP to get The UK out of the EU is the best for the UK, so it's not voting for the opposite as you conclude. You are a hard line Remainer so you clearly don't get it. And UKIP MEP's have helped the UK achieve Brexit, which is an astonishing achievement considering the odds that were stacked against them. As for Nigel Farage the man deserves a medal for what he has done for this country he should be on the next list for a knighthood in my opinion. The job of a British MEP is to get the best deal for Britain in the EU, UKIP MEPs have failed to do this. Anything that they did relating to Brexit has not been through the European Parliament. You want to see Farage get a knighthood, I would rather see him face charges of incitement of racial hatred." That is your own interpretation of what an MEP should do in the European parliament, and it differs from mine. I voted for UKIP in the MEP elections to elect UKIP MEP's so that they would be a thorn in the side of the EU machine in Brussels, a spanner in the works, a cat amongst the pigeons so to speak. I'm very happy with the job those UKIP MEP's have done. They also helped raise the profile of UKIP as a party here in the UK and over the wider European continent when they won the last MEP elections here in the UK. | |||
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" I have voted for UKIP almost since they started but now they have achieved what they set out to do I doubt I will vote for them again. I have been supporting and voting for UKIP for years too. The result on June 23rd was a great victory but the job is still not fully complete. UKIP will remain relevant until article 50 is triggered and until we are actually out of the EU I will continue voting for them. Only when we are fully out of the EU will it be mission accomplished. So you and vote for years for independence for the UK, and then on the day you get it you pack up and go home? No plan or vision as to what a newly independent UK would look like or do? Quite honestly I don't give a fuck as long as we are free of unelected dicks in another country, from now on I vote for who is going to do the best for the UK. And yet for years you have been voting for the opposite. What have UKIP MEPs achieved for the UK in their time? Farage was on the common fisheries policy committee and attended 1 out of 42 meetings. Even now he still taking the Brussels shilling, and what is Britain getting in return? Voting for UKIP to get The UK out of the EU is the best for the UK, so it's not voting for the opposite as you conclude. You are a hard line Remainer so you clearly don't get it. And UKIP MEP's have helped the UK achieve Brexit, which is an astonishing achievement considering the odds that were stacked against them. As for Nigel Farage the man deserves a medal for what he has done for this country he should be on the next list for a knighthood in my opinion. The job of a British MEP is to get the best deal for Britain in the EU, UKIP MEPs have failed to do this. Anything that they did relating to Brexit has not been through the European Parliament. You want to see Farage get a knighthood, I would rather see him face charges of incitement of racial hatred. That is your own interpretation of what an MEP should do in the European parliament, and it differs from mine. I voted for UKIP in the MEP elections to elect UKIP MEP's so that they would be a thorn in the side of the EU machine in Brussels, a spanner in the works, a cat amongst the pigeons so to speak. I'm very happy with the job those UKIP MEP's have done. They also helped raise the profile of UKIP as a party here in the UK and over the wider European continent when they won the last MEP elections here in the UK. " Not attending meetings is not a thorn in the side of the EU machine. It just means the other member states get what they want, and no one is representing Britain's interests. They actually helped other members get what they wanted, at the expense of British interests.  | |||
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" I have voted for UKIP almost since they started but now they have achieved what they set out to do I doubt I will vote for them again. I have been supporting and voting for UKIP for years too. The result on June 23rd was a great victory but the job is still not fully complete. UKIP will remain relevant until article 50 is triggered and until we are actually out of the EU I will continue voting for them. Only when we are fully out of the EU will it be mission accomplished. So you and vote for years for independence for the UK, and then on the day you get it you pack up and go home? No plan or vision as to what a newly independent UK would look like or do? Quite honestly I don't give a fuck as long as we are free of unelected dicks in another country, from now on I vote for who is going to do the best for the UK. And yet for years you have been voting for the opposite. What have UKIP MEPs achieved for the UK in their time? Farage was on the common fisheries policy committee and attended 1 out of 42 meetings. Even now he still taking the Brussels shilling, and what is Britain getting in return? Voting for UKIP to get The UK out of the EU is the best for the UK, so it's not voting for the opposite as you conclude. You are a hard line Remainer so you clearly don't get it. And UKIP MEP's have helped the UK achieve Brexit, which is an astonishing achievement considering the odds that were stacked against them. As for Nigel Farage the man deserves a medal for what he has done for this country he should be on the next list for a knighthood in my opinion. The job of a British MEP is to get the best deal for Britain in the EU, UKIP MEPs have failed to do this. Anything that they did relating to Brexit has not been through the European Parliament. You want to see Farage get a knighthood, I would rather see him face charges of incitement of racial hatred. That is your own interpretation of what an MEP should do in the European parliament, and it differs from mine. I voted for UKIP in the MEP elections to elect UKIP MEP's so that they would be a thorn in the side of the EU machine in Brussels, a spanner in the works, a cat amongst the pigeons so to speak. I'm very happy with the job those UKIP MEP's have done. They also helped raise the profile of UKIP as a party here in the UK and over the wider European continent when they won the last MEP elections here in the UK. Not attending meetings is not a thorn in the side of the EU machine. It just means the other member states get what they want, and no one is representing Britain's interests. They actually helped other members get what they wanted, at the expense of British interests. "Exposing Jean Claude Juncker and his corrupt antics when he was Prime Minister of Luxembourg when he was helping and facilitating tax evasion/avoidance for mega rich multi national companies and corporations was most definitely a thorn in the side of the EU. It was UKIP who called a motion of censure against Juncker in the European Parliament over this and could have led to Juncker being stripped of his Presidency. The swivel eyed fanatical Europhiles and Junckers cronies in Brussels saw to it that he kept his job though. If you still think Juncker is a good man for the job, hell even David Cameron opposed Junckers appointment as EU President. | |||
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" I have voted for UKIP almost since they started but now they have achieved what they set out to do I doubt I will vote for them again. I have been supporting and voting for UKIP for years too. The result on June 23rd was a great victory but the job is still not fully complete. UKIP will remain relevant until article 50 is triggered and until we are actually out of the EU I will continue voting for them. Only when we are fully out of the EU will it be mission accomplished. So you and vote for years for independence for the UK, and then on the day you get it you pack up and go home? No plan or vision as to what a newly independent UK would look like or do? Quite honestly I don't give a fuck as long as we are free of unelected dicks in another country, from now on I vote for who is going to do the best for the UK. And yet for years you have been voting for the opposite. What have UKIP MEPs achieved for the UK in their time? Farage was on the common fisheries policy committee and attended 1 out of 42 meetings. Even now he still taking the Brussels shilling, and what is Britain getting in return? Voting for UKIP to get The UK out of the EU is the best for the UK, so it's not voting for the opposite as you conclude. You are a hard line Remainer so you clearly don't get it. And UKIP MEP's have helped the UK achieve Brexit, which is an astonishing achievement considering the odds that were stacked against them. As for Nigel Farage the man deserves a medal for what he has done for this country he should be on the next list for a knighthood in my opinion. The job of a British MEP is to get the best deal for Britain in the EU, UKIP MEPs have failed to do this. Anything that they did relating to Brexit has not been through the European Parliament. You want to see Farage get a knighthood, I would rather see him face charges of incitement of racial hatred. That is your own interpretation of what an MEP should do in the European parliament, and it differs from mine. I voted for UKIP in the MEP elections to elect UKIP MEP's so that they would be a thorn in the side of the EU machine in Brussels, a spanner in the works, a cat amongst the pigeons so to speak. I'm very happy with the job those UKIP MEP's have done. They also helped raise the profile of UKIP as a party here in the UK and over the wider European continent when they won the last MEP elections here in the UK. Not attending meetings is not a thorn in the side of the EU machine. It just means the other member states get what they want, and no one is representing Britain's interests. They actually helped other members get what they wanted, at the expense of British interests. "what? Like the Euro? | |||
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" I have voted for UKIP almost since they started but now they have achieved what they set out to do I doubt I will vote for them again. I have been supporting and voting for UKIP for years too. The result on June 23rd was a great victory but the job is still not fully complete. UKIP will remain relevant until article 50 is triggered and until we are actually out of the EU I will continue voting for them. Only when we are fully out of the EU will it be mission accomplished. So you and vote for years for independence for the UK, and then on the day you get it you pack up and go home? No plan or vision as to what a newly independent UK would look like or do? Quite honestly I don't give a fuck as long as we are free of unelected dicks in another country, from now on I vote for who is going to do the best for the UK. And yet for years you have been voting for the opposite. What have UKIP MEPs achieved for the UK in their time? Farage was on the common fisheries policy committee and attended 1 out of 42 meetings. Even now he still taking the Brussels shilling, and what is Britain getting in return? Voting for UKIP to get The UK out of the EU is the best for the UK, so it's not voting for the opposite as you conclude. You are a hard line Remainer so you clearly don't get it. And UKIP MEP's have helped the UK achieve Brexit, which is an astonishing achievement considering the odds that were stacked against them. As for Nigel Farage the man deserves a medal for what he has done for this country he should be on the next list for a knighthood in my opinion. The job of a British MEP is to get the best deal for Britain in the EU, UKIP MEPs have failed to do this. Anything that they did relating to Brexit has not been through the European Parliament. You want to see Farage get a knighthood, I would rather see him face charges of incitement of racial hatred. That is your own interpretation of what an MEP should do in the European parliament, and it differs from mine. I voted for UKIP in the MEP elections to elect UKIP MEP's so that they would be a thorn in the side of the EU machine in Brussels, a spanner in the works, a cat amongst the pigeons so to speak. I'm very happy with the job those UKIP MEP's have done. They also helped raise the profile of UKIP as a party here in the UK and over the wider European continent when they won the last MEP elections here in the UK. Not attending meetings is not a thorn in the side of the EU machine. It just means the other member states get what they want, and no one is representing Britain's interests. They actually helped other members get what they wanted, at the expense of British interests.
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"So UKIP have a new leader..... How successful do we think she will be? Will she be able to emerge from the lingering shadow that is Nigel Farage? No. UKIP will become irrelevant, quite simply because they were Nigel Farage. Without him they are lacking charisma and personality and of course their principle Sugar Daddy has also abandoned ship. Not to mention that according to Farage, their only MP is regarded as irrelevant to principles of UKIP. She will probably announce a couple of populist and controversial issues in an effort to stamp her mark but I can't see UKIP support doing anything but slide away as moderates and sensible supporters gradually slip away. There will probably be a hard core that will stay as they are the people who have now found their religion in moderate English Nationalism but in terms of numbers and electability - as irrelevant as any of the other fringe parties.. I think your just about correct with that summary, it's one of the reasons i actually like first past the post politics.... It keeps the fringes from gaining actual power and I say that as a green party member. If you look across at the EU who have a greater use of the representation system, they also suffer from small lunatic parties who actually have power!!" Yep. Like the Greens in Germany. Although thankfully their support is now on the wane. Maybe policies like making it legal to have sex with your kids had something to do with it.  | |||
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"So UKIP have a new leader..... How successful do we think she will be? Will she be able to emerge from the lingering shadow that is Nigel Farage? No. UKIP will become irrelevant, quite simply because they were Nigel Farage. Without him they are lacking charisma and personality and of course their principle Sugar Daddy has also abandoned ship. Not to mention that according to Farage, their only MP is regarded as irrelevant to principles of UKIP. She will probably announce a couple of populist and controversial issues in an effort to stamp her mark but I can't see UKIP support doing anything but slide away as moderates and sensible supporters gradually slip away. There will probably be a hard core that will stay as they are the people who have now found their religion in moderate English Nationalism but in terms of numbers and electability - as irrelevant as any of the other fringe parties.. I think your just about correct with that summary, it's one of the reasons i actually like first past the post politics.... It keeps the fringes from gaining actual power and I say that as a green party member. If you look across at the EU who have a greater use of the representation system, they also suffer from small lunatic parties who actually have power!! Yep. Like the Greens in Germany. Although thankfully their support is now on the wane. Maybe policies like making it legal to have sex with your kids had something to do with it. "And no driving cars at the weekends | |||
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" "it has become clear that I do not have sufficient authority, nor the full support of all my MEP colleagues and party officers to implement changes I believe necessary and upon which I based my campaign" Are you listening Jeremy??? " It's Nige who's listening, with an even smugger grin on his face waiting for the begging to begin | |||
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"So UKIP have a new leader..... How successful do we think she will be? Will she be able to emerge from the lingering shadow that is Nigel Farage? No. UKIP will become irrelevant, quite simply because they were Nigel Farage. Without him they are lacking charisma and personality and of course their principle Sugar Daddy has also abandoned ship. Not to mention that according to Farage, their only MP is regarded as irrelevant to principles of UKIP. She will probably announce a couple of populist and controversial issues in an effort to stamp her mark but I can't see UKIP support doing anything but slide away as moderates and sensible supporters gradually slip away. There will probably be a hard core that will stay as they are the people who have now found their religion in moderate English Nationalism but in terms of numbers and electability - as irrelevant as any of the other fringe parties.. I think your just about correct with that summary, it's one of the reasons i actually like first past the post politics.... It keeps the fringes from gaining actual power and I say that as a green party member. If you look across at the EU who have a greater use of the representation system, they also suffer from small lunatic parties who actually have power!! Yep. Like the Greens in Germany. Although thankfully their support is now on the wane. Maybe policies like making it legal to have sex with your kids had something to do with it.
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"No mowing the lawn either on a Sunday either" Yes, that's right. The use of any power tools on a Sunday could get you a fine. | |||
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"No mowing the lawn either on a Sunday either Yes, that's right. The use of any power tools on a Sunday could get you a fine." Though it does give people a chance of peace and quiet to enjoy the day | |||
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"Nice to see the party harmony still evident in UKIP, misogyny and bullying or plain old shambles..? Nigel's back cos he is still the leader on paper.." Parties that have served their purpose do tend to degenerate... | |||
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"Nice to see the party harmony still evident in UKIP, misogyny and bullying or plain old shambles..? Nigel's back cos he is still the leader on paper.. Parties that have served their purpose do tend to degenerate... " this could be fun to watch, Farage's u turn (again)when he heard Hamilton was to be interim leader does suggest its not a happy ship.. | |||
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"Nice to see the party harmony still evident in UKIP, misogyny and bullying or plain old shambles..? Nigel's back cos he is still the leader on paper.. Parties that have served their purpose do tend to degenerate... " Has the Labour party served it's purpose and had its day too then? | |||
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"Nice to see the party harmony still evident in UKIP, misogyny and bullying or plain old shambles..? Nigel's back cos he is still the leader on paper.." No more harmonious than the Labour party, anti semitism, bullying by hard left Momentum activists, or plain old shambles...? Corbyn may be leader on paper but I think it's clear the majority of the PLP think otherwise. | |||
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"Nice to see the party harmony still evident in UKIP, misogyny and bullying or plain old shambles..? Nigel's back cos he is still the leader on paper.. Parties that have served their purpose do tend to degenerate... Has the Labour party served it's purpose and had its day too then? " Good question, I can't really answer that because it really isn't clear what the purpose of labour is. Has the purpose of new labor been fulfilled - nope. Has the purpose of the looney left between fulfilled - definitely. Basically Corbyn is fighting a battle he's already won. | |||
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"Nice to see the party harmony still evident in UKIP, misogyny and bullying or plain old shambles..? Nigel's back cos he is still the leader on paper.. No more harmonious than the Labour party, anti semitism, bullying by hard left Momentum activists, or plain old shambles...? Corbyn may be leader on paper but I think it's clear the majority of the PLP think otherwise. " difference being if there was a split in Labour which I doubt before 2020 then they would still be broadly effective in Parliament, UKIP will only go down hill post the Brexit vote and whilst they and their supporters may feel they can have an influence on the negotiations and the eventual outcome they wont.. May will deliver what she feels will be best both for the UK, herself as leader and the Tory party and many of the ex tories now in UKIP will head back.. Labour has had such spats before as have the Tories, think its the nature of both the largely centre left and right in this country to disagree on where they should be going politically within.. keeping that in house and being effective is the trick.. | |||
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"Is he the interim leader though? Shouldn't the deputy leader become the interim leader? Do UKIP have a deputy leader? He didn't even seem too convinced of it himself after Victoria Derbyshire suggested that UKIP had made Neil Hamilton interim leader. His response to that possibility was really funny though!" he wasn't exactly overwhelming in his support | |||
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"I think NH was actually correct. They have NO leader at the moment. Their Nat Exec meet on 17th and will appoint an interim leader. That's what their constitution says." NH and NF should do scissors, paper and stone.. or arm wrestle.. | |||
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"Is he the interim leader though? Shouldn't the deputy leader become the interim leader? Do UKIP have a deputy leader? He didn't even seem too convinced of it himself after Victoria Derbyshire suggested that UKIP had made Neil Hamilton interim leader. His response to that possibility was really funny though! he wasn't exactly overwhelming in his support "There's no love lost between them - this should be entertaining! | |||
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"I think NH was actually correct. They have NO leader at the moment. Their Nat Exec meet on 17th and will appoint an interim leader. That's what their constitution says." Heard on the news that Farage will be the interim leader until a new one is elected. Stephen Woolfe messed up his application last time but must be a dead cert to be new leader now. He won't make the same mistake again. | |||
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"What about Robert Kilroy-Silk he used to be UKIP, a quick read of his Wikipedia page says that he had a “scuffle” with Corbyn, so he can’t be all bad "Any man that couldn't beat up Corbyn has no place being a leader | |||
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"What about Robert Kilroy-Silk he used to be UKIP, a quick read of his Wikipedia page says that he had a “scuffle” with Corbyn, so he can’t be all bad
Any man that couldn't beat up Corbyn has no place being a leader
Can you imagine Corbyn in a fight "I'm a pacifist, I've got these fists but I refuse to use them". "Can you imagine a charity boxing match between all the parties leaders, my money would be on Nicola Sturgeon! | |||
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"What about Robert Kilroy-Silk he used to be UKIP, a quick read of his Wikipedia page says that he had a “scuffle” with Corbyn, so he can’t be all bad
Any man that couldn't beat up Corbyn has no place being a leader
Can you imagine Corbyn in a fight "I'm a pacifist, I've got these fists but I refuse to use them".
Can you imagine a charity boxing match between all the parties leaders, my money would be on Nicola Sturgeon! "Surely this could be something that the very divided politics forum can agree on, party leader boxing would be brilliant. | |||
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tickled me anyway.
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"Someone in the paper the other day described Corbyn as looking like a naturist who'd only got dressed to avoid an asbo
tickled me anyway.
Shame about James though, only just noticed how good her legs are "He does look a bit like he grabbed someone else's clothes off a washing line! | |||
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"I think NH was actually correct. They have NO leader at the moment. Their Nat Exec meet on 17th and will appoint an interim leader. That's what their constitution says. Heard on the news that Farage will be the interim leader until a new one is elected. Stephen Woolfe messed up his application last time but must be a dead cert to be new leader now. He won't make the same mistake again. " I wouldn't accept applications if they miserably failed the first one. | |||
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"Someone in the paper the other day described Corbyn as looking like a naturist who'd only got dressed to avoid an asbo
tickled me anyway.
Shame about James though, only just noticed how good her legs are
He does look a bit like he grabbed someone else's clothes off a washing line!"If he sat near a cash point then people would start throwing him change... On the positive side, if he was elected PM then I would pay to see the Chinese media react to him | |||
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"If UKIP are struggling for leaders perhaps the time has come to bring one in from overseas. " Lol! | |||
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"If UKIP are struggling for leaders perhaps the time has come to bring one in from overseas. " good idea. How about an Isreali? | |||
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"Diane James, the recently elected leader of UKIP, has dramatically quit in horror after spending time with the sort of people who support UKIP. “Christ, they’re awful,” said a shell-shocked and reeling Ms James. “The things they say about black people, about homosexuals, their attitude to women – one of them told me to put the kettle on and slapped my behind.” “I always knew that the toughest part of this job would be dealing UKIP supporters, but I simply had no idea how bad it would be.” “It was like living in a racist Carry On film.” Ms James was elected leader of UKIP 18 days ago after previous leader Nigel Farage realised that he’d broken the country, stripped down to his pants and swam out into the English Channel, never to be seen again. “Well, look, I’m a UKIP MEP, so naturally I’m only in this for the expense account and a nice flat in Brussels.” “I just assumed that as leader I’d get a slightly nicer flat in London and a bigger expense account.” “I simply had no idea that I’d have to spend so much time with people who think our foreign policy priorities should be war with France and sending various people back to various countries.” Ms James would not be drawn on future plans. “I’m sorry, but after spending 18 days with UKIP supporters the only plans I have are for a large drink and a long shower" could have been worse, she could have spent 18 days leading a true racist misogynist party, the one that calls itself Labour | |||
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"Diane James, the recently elected leader of UKIP, has dramatically quit in horror after spending time with the sort of people who support UKIP. “Christ, they’re awful,” said a shell-shocked and reeling Ms James. “The things they say about black people, about homosexuals, their attitude to women – one of them told me to put the kettle on and slapped my behind.” “I always knew that the toughest part of this job would be dealing UKIP supporters, but I simply had no idea how bad it would be.” “It was like living in a racist Carry On film.” Ms James was elected leader of UKIP 18 days ago after previous leader Nigel Farage realised that he’d broken the country, stripped down to his pants and swam out into the English Channel, never to be seen again. “Well, look, I’m a UKIP MEP, so naturally I’m only in this for the expense account and a nice flat in Brussels.” “I just assumed that as leader I’d get a slightly nicer flat in London and a bigger expense account.” “I simply had no idea that I’d have to spend so much time with people who think our foreign policy priorities should be war with France and sending various people back to various countries.” Ms James would not be drawn on future plans. “I’m sorry, but after spending 18 days with UKIP supporters the only plans I have are for a large drink and a long shower could have been worse, she could have spent 18 days leading a true racist misogynist party, the one that calls itself Labour" And you would know this from being an active party member would you? Alternatively she could have been the leader of the Conservatives, the nasty party that allows bullies to bully party activists into committing suicide. | |||
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"Diane James, the recently elected leader of UKIP, has dramatically quit in horror after spending time with the sort of people who support UKIP. “Christ, they’re awful,” said a shell-shocked and reeling Ms James. “The things they say about black people, about homosexuals, their attitude to women – one of them told me to put the kettle on and slapped my behind.” “I always knew that the toughest part of this job would be dealing UKIP supporters, but I simply had no idea how bad it would be.” “It was like living in a racist Carry On film.” Ms James was elected leader of UKIP 18 days ago after previous leader Nigel Farage realised that he’d broken the country, stripped down to his pants and swam out into the English Channel, never to be seen again. “Well, look, I’m a UKIP MEP, so naturally I’m only in this for the expense account and a nice flat in Brussels.” “I just assumed that as leader I’d get a slightly nicer flat in London and a bigger expense account.” “I simply had no idea that I’d have to spend so much time with people who think our foreign policy priorities should be war with France and sending various people back to various countries.” Ms James would not be drawn on future plans. “I’m sorry, but after spending 18 days with UKIP supporters the only plans I have are for a large drink and a long shower could have been worse, she could have spent 18 days leading a true racist misogynist party, the one that calls itself Labour And you would know this from being an active party member would you? Alternatively she could have been the leader of the Conservatives, the nasty party that allows bullies to bully party activists into committing suicide. " Activist, not Activists. Singular, not plural. | |||
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"Diane James, the recently elected leader of UKIP, has dramatically quit in horror after spending time with the sort of people who support UKIP. “Christ, they’re awful,” said a shell-shocked and reeling Ms James. “The things they say about black people, about homosexuals, their attitude to women – one of them told me to put the kettle on and slapped my behind.” “I always knew that the toughest part of this job would be dealing UKIP supporters, but I simply had no idea how bad it would be.” “It was like living in a racist Carry On film.” Ms James was elected leader of UKIP 18 days ago after previous leader Nigel Farage realised that he’d broken the country, stripped down to his pants and swam out into the English Channel, never to be seen again. “Well, look, I’m a UKIP MEP, so naturally I’m only in this for the expense account and a nice flat in Brussels.” “I just assumed that as leader I’d get a slightly nicer flat in London and a bigger expense account.” “I simply had no idea that I’d have to spend so much time with people who think our foreign policy priorities should be war with France and sending various people back to various countries.” Ms James would not be drawn on future plans. “I’m sorry, but after spending 18 days with UKIP supporters the only plans I have are for a large drink and a long shower could have been worse, she could have spent 18 days leading a true racist misogynist party, the one that calls itself Labour And you would know this from being an active party member would you? Alternatively she could have been the leader of the Conservatives, the nasty party that allows bullies to bully party activists into committing suicide. Activist, not Activists. Singular, not plural. " My mistake, many were bullied, only one committed suicide that we know of. | |||
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"Diane James, the recently elected leader of UKIP, has dramatically quit in horror after spending time with the sort of people who support UKIP. “Christ, they’re awful,” said a shell-shocked and reeling Ms James. “The things they say about black people, about homosexuals, their attitude to women – one of them told me to put the kettle on and slapped my behind.” “I always knew that the toughest part of this job would be dealing UKIP supporters, but I simply had no idea how bad it would be.” “It was like living in a racist Carry On film.” Ms James was elected leader of UKIP 18 days ago after previous leader Nigel Farage realised that he’d broken the country, stripped down to his pants and swam out into the English Channel, never to be seen again. “Well, look, I’m a UKIP MEP, so naturally I’m only in this for the expense account and a nice flat in Brussels.” “I just assumed that as leader I’d get a slightly nicer flat in London and a bigger expense account.” “I simply had no idea that I’d have to spend so much time with people who think our foreign policy priorities should be war with France and sending various people back to various countries.” Ms James would not be drawn on future plans. “I’m sorry, but after spending 18 days with UKIP supporters the only plans I have are for a large drink and a long shower could have been worse, she could have spent 18 days leading a true racist misogynist party, the one that calls itself Labour And you would know this from being an active party member would you? Alternatively she could have been the leader of the Conservatives, the nasty party that allows bullies to bully party activists into committing suicide. " You must have missed Theresa May's speech today at the Tory party conference. She referred to Labour as the new nasty party in modern politics. | |||
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"Diane James, the recently elected leader of UKIP, has dramatically quit in horror after spending time with the sort of people who support UKIP. “Christ, they’re awful,” said a shell-shocked and reeling Ms James. “The things they say about black people, about homosexuals, their attitude to women – one of them told me to put the kettle on and slapped my behind.” “I always knew that the toughest part of this job would be dealing UKIP supporters, but I simply had no idea how bad it would be.” “It was like living in a racist Carry On film.” Ms James was elected leader of UKIP 18 days ago after previous leader Nigel Farage realised that he’d broken the country, stripped down to his pants and swam out into the English Channel, never to be seen again. “Well, look, I’m a UKIP MEP, so naturally I’m only in this for the expense account and a nice flat in Brussels.” “I just assumed that as leader I’d get a slightly nicer flat in London and a bigger expense account.” “I simply had no idea that I’d have to spend so much time with people who think our foreign policy priorities should be war with France and sending various people back to various countries.” Ms James would not be drawn on future plans. “I’m sorry, but after spending 18 days with UKIP supporters the only plans I have are for a large drink and a long shower could have been worse, she could have spent 18 days leading a true racist misogynist party, the one that calls itself Labour And you would know this from being an active party member would you? Alternatively she could have been the leader of the Conservatives, the nasty party that allows bullies to bully party activists into committing suicide. You must have missed Theresa May's speech today at the Tory party conference. She referred to Labour as the new nasty party in modern politics. " No I didn't, you must have missed that she originally coined the phrase to describe the Tory party. | |||
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"Diane James, the recently elected leader of UKIP, has dramatically quit in horror after spending time with the sort of people who support UKIP. “Christ, they’re awful,” said a shell-shocked and reeling Ms James. “The things they say about black people, about homosexuals, their attitude to women – one of them told me to put the kettle on and slapped my behind.” “I always knew that the toughest part of this job would be dealing UKIP supporters, but I simply had no idea how bad it would be.” “It was like living in a racist Carry On film.” Ms James was elected leader of UKIP 18 days ago after previous leader Nigel Farage realised that he’d broken the country, stripped down to his pants and swam out into the English Channel, never to be seen again. “Well, look, I’m a UKIP MEP, so naturally I’m only in this for the expense account and a nice flat in Brussels.” “I just assumed that as leader I’d get a slightly nicer flat in London and a bigger expense account.” “I simply had no idea that I’d have to spend so much time with people who think our foreign policy priorities should be war with France and sending various people back to various countries.” Ms James would not be drawn on future plans. “I’m sorry, but after spending 18 days with UKIP supporters the only plans I have are for a large drink and a long shower could have been worse, she could have spent 18 days leading a true racist misogynist party, the one that calls itself Labour And you would know this from being an active party member would you? Alternatively she could have been the leader of the Conservatives, the nasty party that allows bullies to bully party activists into committing suicide. Activist, not Activists. Singular, not plural. My mistake, many were bullied, only one committed suicide that we know of." Bit more to it than that though. Their gay relationship for one. In his own letter he said he had 'failed with money, with his politics, his parents, his life". Guess that explains why most people that are bullied don't commit suicide. | |||
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" Bit more to it than that though. Their gay relationship for one. In his own letter he said he had 'failed with money, with his politics, his parents, his life". Guess that explains why most people that are bullied don't commit suicide. " And there we have the Tory attitude revealed. Firstly bullying is ok as long as it doesn't contribute to a suicide. Secondly, if it does, downplay our contribution as there will always be other factors. Do not pay any heed to the coroners report which specifically linked the suicide to the bullying, noting in particular that the deceased went home following a particularly nasty incident of Tory bullying and immediately started looking on the internet at suicide methods. Thirdly, do not be consistent. By all means at any sniff of anti semitism condemn the actions of Jeremy Corbyn which was to immediately bring in an independent well respected figure with acknowledged credentials, such as the former director of liberty and then implement her full initial recommendations with all speed. Whereas the Tories did an in house investigation, prolonged and whitewashed and nothing changes. | |||
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" Bit more to it than that though. Their gay relationship for one. In his own letter he said he had 'failed with money, with his politics, his parents, his life". Guess that explains why most people that are bullied don't commit suicide. And there we have the Tory attitude revealed. Firstly bullying is ok as long as it doesn't contribute to a suicide. Secondly, if it does, downplay our contribution as there will always be other factors. Do not pay any heed to the coroners report which specifically linked the suicide to the bullying, noting in particular that the deceased went home following a particularly nasty incident of Tory bullying and immediately started looking on the internet at suicide methods. Thirdly, do not be consistent. By all means at any sniff of anti semitism condemn the actions of Jeremy Corbyn which was to immediately bring in an independent well respected figure with acknowledged credentials, such as the former director of liberty and then implement her full initial recommendations with all speed. Whereas the Tories did an in house investigation, prolonged and whitewashed and nothing changes. " so if someone is bullied by a tv/ts its called tv/ts bullying is it? And I don't know how you have the nerve to mention the liar, hypocrite and whitewasher Chakrabarti | |||
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" Bit more to it than that though. Their gay relationship for one. In his own letter he said he had 'failed with money, with his politics, his parents, his life". Guess that explains why most people that are bullied don't commit suicide. And there we have the Tory attitude revealed. Firstly bullying is ok as long as it doesn't contribute to a suicide. Secondly, if it does, downplay our contribution as there will always be other factors. Do not pay any heed to the coroners report which specifically linked the suicide to the bullying, noting in particular that the deceased went home following a particularly nasty incident of Tory bullying and immediately started looking on the internet at suicide methods. Thirdly, do not be consistent. By all means at any sniff of anti semitism condemn the actions of Jeremy Corbyn which was to immediately bring in an independent well respected figure with acknowledged credentials, such as the former director of liberty and then implement her full initial recommendations with all speed. Whereas the Tories did an in house investigation, prolonged and whitewashed and nothing changes. " The difference is obvious. One is an incident between people that happen to be conservative. Lovers that have broken up don't tend to be best of friends. However, anti-Semitism is a systemic problem with the looney left. Nice try though. Again, I'm not a conservative.  | |||
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" Bit more to it than that though. Their gay relationship for one. In his own letter he said he had 'failed with money, with his politics, his parents, his life". Guess that explains why most people that are bullied don't commit suicide. And there we have the Tory attitude revealed. Firstly bullying is ok as long as it doesn't contribute to a suicide. Secondly, if it does, downplay our contribution as there will always be other factors. Do not pay any heed to the coroners report which specifically linked the suicide to the bullying, noting in particular that the deceased went home following a particularly nasty incident of Tory bullying and immediately started looking on the internet at suicide methods. Thirdly, do not be consistent. By all means at any sniff of anti semitism condemn the actions of Jeremy Corbyn which was to immediately bring in an independent well respected figure with acknowledged credentials, such as the former director of liberty and then implement her full initial recommendations with all speed. Whereas the Tories did an in house investigation, prolonged and whitewashed and nothing changes. so if someone is bullied by a tv/ts its called tv/ts bullying is it? And I don't know how you have the nerve to mention the liar, hypocrite and whitewasher Chakrabarti" Ironic when the Labour supporters think they have moral high ground on bullying. It's not like you get a brick through the window for daring to challenge comrade Corbyn... | |||
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" Bit more to it than that though. Their gay relationship for one. In his own letter he said he had 'failed with money, with his politics, his parents, his life". Guess that explains why most people that are bullied don't commit suicide. And there we have the Tory attitude revealed. Firstly bullying is ok as long as it doesn't contribute to a suicide. Secondly, if it does, downplay our contribution as there will always be other factors. Do not pay any heed to the coroners report which specifically linked the suicide to the bullying, noting in particular that the deceased went home following a particularly nasty incident of Tory bullying and immediately started looking on the internet at suicide methods. Thirdly, do not be consistent. By all means at any sniff of anti semitism condemn the actions of Jeremy Corbyn which was to immediately bring in an independent well respected figure with acknowledged credentials, such as the former director of liberty and then implement her full initial recommendations with all speed. Whereas the Tories did an in house investigation, prolonged and whitewashed and nothing changes. so if someone is bullied by a tv/ts its called tv/ts bullying is it? And I don't know how you have the nerve to mention the liar, hypocrite and whitewasher Chakrabarti" I did Lol at the suggestion that Sami Chakrabarti was an independent figure. She is as much a Corbyn crony as John McDonnell. | |||
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". so if someone is bullied by a tv/ts its called tv/ts bullying is it? And I don't know how you have the nerve to mention the liar, hypocrite and whitewasher Chakrabarti" What on earth are you talking about? And Chakrabarti is impartial and neither a liar, hypocrite or whitewasher. Good grief you are mad as a box of frogs. Her whole career has been devoted to standing up to injustices by the state and other organisations on behalf of the individual and their rights, but because she doesn't fall in line with your prejudices she must be a lying hypocrite? In your world it seems the world is divided into two types of people, openly greedy selfish bigots and secretly greedy selfish bigots. | |||
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" The difference is obvious. One is an incident between people that happen to be conservative. Lovers that have broken up don't tend to be best of friends. However, anti-Semitism is a systemic problem with the looney left. Nice try though. Again, I'm not a conservative. "Of course you are. | |||
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". so if someone is bullied by a tv/ts its called tv/ts bullying is it? And I don't know how you have the nerve to mention the liar, hypocrite and whitewasher Chakrabarti What on earth are you talking about? And Chakrabarti is impartial and neither a liar, hypocrite or whitewasher. Good grief you are mad as a box of frogs. Her whole career has been devoted to standing up to injustices by the state and other organisations on behalf of the individual and their rights, but because she doesn't fall in line with your prejudices she must be a lying hypocrite? In your world it seems the world is divided into two types of people, openly greedy selfish bigots and secretly greedy selfish bigots. " what are her opinions on grammar schools? | |||
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" The difference is obvious. One is an incident between people that happen to be conservative. Lovers that have broken up don't tend to be best of friends. However, anti-Semitism is a systemic problem with the looney left. Nice try though. Again, I'm not a conservative.
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". so if someone is bullied by a tv/ts its called tv/ts bullying is it? And I don't know how you have the nerve to mention the liar, hypocrite and whitewasher Chakrabarti What on earth are you talking about? And Chakrabarti is impartial and neither a liar, hypocrite or whitewasher. Good grief you are mad as a box of frogs. Her whole career has been devoted to standing up to injustices by the state and other organisations on behalf of the individual and their rights, but because she doesn't fall in line with your prejudices she must be a lying hypocrite? In your world it seems the world is divided into two types of people, openly greedy selfish bigots and secretly greedy selfish bigots. " I can't think of anyone more respected, or independent, or experienced than Chakrabati to investigate. I wonder what she would find if she turned her attention to the Fab forums. | |||
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". so if someone is bullied by a tv/ts its called tv/ts bullying is it? And I don't know how you have the nerve to mention the liar, hypocrite and whitewasher Chakrabarti What on earth are you talking about? And Chakrabarti is impartial and neither a liar, hypocrite or whitewasher. Good grief you are mad as a box of frogs. Her whole career has been devoted to standing up to injustices by the state and other organisations on behalf of the individual and their rights, but because she doesn't fall in line with your prejudices she must be a lying hypocrite? In your world it seems the world is divided into two types of people, openly greedy selfish bigots and secretly greedy selfish bigots. I can't think of anyone more respected, or independent, or experienced than Chakrabati to investigate. I wonder what she would find if she turned her attention to the Fab forums." you can't think of anyone more independant than a Labour party member investigating the Labour party? Maybe you don't think too good | |||
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". so if someone is bullied by a tv/ts its called tv/ts bullying is it? And I don't know how you have the nerve to mention the liar, hypocrite and whitewasher Chakrabarti What on earth are you talking about? And Chakrabarti is impartial and neither a liar, hypocrite or whitewasher. Good grief you are mad as a box of frogs. Her whole career has been devoted to standing up to injustices by the state and other organisations on behalf of the individual and their rights, but because she doesn't fall in line with your prejudices she must be a lying hypocrite? In your world it seems the world is divided into two types of people, openly greedy selfish bigots and secretly greedy selfish bigots. I can't think of anyone more respected, or independent, or experienced than Chakrabati to investigate. I wonder what she would find if she turned her attention to the Fab forums. you can't think of anyone more independant than a Labour party member investigating the Labour party? Maybe you don't think too good" Blindingly obvious to anyone with half a brain that Chakrabarti is a Corbyn Crony. After her whitewash investigation into anti semitism in the Labour party, surprise, surprise and bingo she gets nominated for honours by Corbyn.......Kerching!  | |||
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". so if someone is bullied by a tv/ts its called tv/ts bullying is it? And I don't know how you have the nerve to mention the liar, hypocrite and whitewasher Chakrabarti What on earth are you talking about? And Chakrabarti is impartial and neither a liar, hypocrite or whitewasher. Good grief you are mad as a box of frogs. Her whole career has been devoted to standing up to injustices by the state and other organisations on behalf of the individual and their rights, but because she doesn't fall in line with your prejudices she must be a lying hypocrite? In your world it seems the world is divided into two types of people, openly greedy selfish bigots and secretly greedy selfish bigots. I can't think of anyone more respected, or independent, or experienced than Chakrabati to investigate. I wonder what she would find if she turned her attention to the Fab forums. you can't think of anyone more independant than a Labour party member investigating the Labour party? Maybe you don't think too good Blindingly obvious to anyone with half a brain that Chakrabarti is a Corbyn Crony. After her whitewash investigation into anti semitism in the Labour party, surprise, surprise and bingo she gets nominated for honours by Corbyn.......Kerching! "private schools don't come cheap you know | |||
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". Blindingly obvious to anyone with half a brain that Chakrabarti is a Corbyn Crony. After her whitewash investigation into anti semitism in the Labour party, surprise, surprise and bingo she gets nominated for honours by Corbyn.......Kerching! "'• Shami Chakrabarti, the former director of Liberty and a lawyer with a well-deserved reputation for integrity, produced a thoughtful and important report on antisemitism and racism in the Labour party at the request of Jeremy Corbyn. It is highly regrettable that they are both now under attack because her inquiry did not find evidence to support allegations of rampant antisemitism in the party. Such attacks say more about her detractors than they do about Chakrabarti. Their real objections concern her recommendation that the party’s disciplinary processes conform to the principles of natural justice, so that allegations of antisemitism and other forms of racism will be properly investigated, members cannot be suspended without knowing the charges against them, and people are protected against scurrilous and ill-founded allegations. As Jews whose views are not represented by the chief rabbi, the Board of Deputies of British Jews or the pro-Israel lobbyists of the Campaign Against Antisemitism, we dissociate ourselves from the attacks on Chakrabarti and urge Corbyn to hold firm in implementing the positive recommendations in her report. George Abendstern Liane Aukin Daphna Baram Julia Bard Sue Bard Hannah Basson Sandi Beecher Shereen Benjamin Sarah Benton Craig Berman Jo Bird Rica Bird Carla Bloom Jenny Bloom Louise Bloom Professor Haim Bresheeth Elizabeth Carola Linda Clair Mike Cushman Ivor Dembina Dr Judit Druks Claudio García Ehrenfeld Nancy Elan Mark Elf Liz Elkind Deborah Fink Sylvia Finzi Louella Frankel Jones Kenneth Fryde Tessa van Gelderen Claire Glasman Monica Gort Tony Greenstein Abe Hayeem Rosamine Hayeem Professor Susan Himmelweit Sue Hughes Claire Jackson Dr Vivienne Jackson Selma James Riva Joffe Ann Jungman Michael Kalmanovitz Roisin Kalmanovitz Monash Kessler Simon Korner Richard Kuper David Landau Pam Laurance Leah Levane Rachel Lever Les Levidow Susanne Levin Rosalind Levy Vivien Lichtenstein John Lohrenz Ruth London Professor Yosefa Loshitzky Deborah Maccoby Professor Moshé Machover Beryl Maizels Jenny Manson Miriam Margolyes Stephen Marks Martine Miel Professor Simon Mohun David Mond Professor Mica Nava Chaim Neslen Diana Neslen Esther Neslen Helen Pearson Rina Picciotto Frances Rifkin Roland Rance Michael Rosen David Rosenberg Professor Jonathan Rosenhead Leon Rosselson Maureen Rothstein Michael Sackin Caroline Salinger Ben Samuel Professor Donald Sassoon Ian Saville Miriam Scharf Amanda Sebesteyn Glyn Secker Khalil Secker Sam Semoff Alexander Seymour Professor Avi Shlaim Ray Sirotkin Dr David Sperlinger Vanessa Stilwell Alexandra Trone Professor Clare Ungerson Professor Philip Wadler Margaret Wayne Naomi Wayne Sam Weinstein Naomi Wimborne-Idrissi Devra Wiseman Naomi Woodspring Ben Young Dr Gillian Yudkin Professor John S Yudkin Professor Nira Yuval-Davis' | |||
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"'The leader of Labour's inquiry into anti-Semitism, Shami Chakrabarti, says she has joined the party in order to gain members' "trust and confidence". But she said she would investigate "without fear or favour" and her recommendations would be "mine alone". The independent inquiry was set up after MP Naz Shah and ex-London mayor Ken Livingstone were suspended amid anti-Semitism claims. Islamophobia and racism will also be looked at. The announcement of the review last month, alongside a new code of conduct on anti-Semitism, came as critics claimed the party leadership was not doing enough to combat the problem. 'Party's interests' Ms Shah, the MP for Bradford West, was suspended after social media posts emerged in which she suggested Israel should be moved to the United States. Mr Livingstone was then suspended after claiming Hitler supported Zionism, as he tried to defend her. Ms Chakrabarti was political neutral in her previous job as head of campaign group Liberty. Explaining why she joined Labour on the day she was asked to lead the review, she said: "This is a party looking at itself in the mirror and I wanted to have the trust and confidence not just of the Labour leadership but of party members."'" The extremes of the Fab politics forum will never believe you. They wont believe Chakrabarti is an expert, because they don't believe in experts. They have said that having a Nobel prize isn't proof that someone is an expert in their field, it's proof that they are a moron, apparently. | |||
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"'The leader of Labour's inquiry into anti-Semitism, Shami Chakrabarti, says she has joined the party in order to gain members' "trust and confidence". But she said she would investigate "without fear or favour" and her recommendations would be "mine alone". The independent inquiry was set up after MP Naz Shah and ex-London mayor Ken Livingstone were suspended amid anti-Semitism claims. Islamophobia and racism will also be looked at. The announcement of the review last month, alongside a new code of conduct on anti-Semitism, came as critics claimed the party leadership was not doing enough to combat the problem. 'Party's interests' Ms Shah, the MP for Bradford West, was suspended after social media posts emerged in which she suggested Israel should be moved to the United States. Mr Livingstone was then suspended after claiming Hitler supported Zionism, as he tried to defend her. Ms Chakrabarti was political neutral in her previous job as head of campaign group Liberty. Explaining why she joined Labour on the day she was asked to lead the review, she said: "This is a party looking at itself in the mirror and I wanted to have the trust and confidence not just of the Labour leadership but of party members."' The extremes of the Fab politics forum will never believe you. They wont believe Chakrabarti is an expert, because they don't believe in experts. They have said that having a Nobel prize isn't proof that someone is an expert in their field, it's proof that they are a moron, apparently. " The problem is that whether her report was a whitewash or not, which it was, she didn't care if it was seen as a whitewash. She knew full well as the (expert?) Chief Rabbi Ephraim Mirvis said, that in accepting a peerage from Corbyn the credibility of her report lay in tatters. Or as Labour Friends of Isreal director (expert?) Jennifer Gerber said, her nomination for a peerage undermines the independance of her inquiry and raises the question of the seriousness of Corbyns commitment to ridding the Labour party of anti semitism. SHE DID NOT CARE THOUGH she betrayed the Jews and in the process betrayed herself. How anyone could support her is beyond me. Oh, and anyone got an opinion of her views on grammar schools yet? | |||
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"'The leader of Labour's inquiry into anti-Semitism, Shami Chakrabarti, says she has joined the party in order to gain members' "trust and confidence". But she said she would investigate "without fear or favour" and her recommendations would be "mine alone". The independent inquiry was set up after MP Naz Shah and ex-London mayor Ken Livingstone were suspended amid anti-Semitism claims. Islamophobia and racism will also be looked at. The announcement of the review last month, alongside a new code of conduct on anti-Semitism, came as critics claimed the party leadership was not doing enough to combat the problem. 'Party's interests' Ms Shah, the MP for Bradford West, was suspended after social media posts emerged in which she suggested Israel should be moved to the United States. Mr Livingstone was then suspended after claiming Hitler supported Zionism, as he tried to defend her. Ms Chakrabarti was political neutral in her previous job as head of campaign group Liberty. Explaining why she joined Labour on the day she was asked to lead the review, she said: "This is a party looking at itself in the mirror and I wanted to have the trust and confidence not just of the Labour leadership but of party members."' The extremes of the Fab politics forum will never believe you. They wont believe Chakrabarti is an expert, because they don't believe in experts. They have said that having a Nobel prize isn't proof that someone is an expert in their field, it's proof that they are a moron, apparently. The problem is that whether her report was a whitewash or not, which it was, she didn't care if it was seen as a whitewash. She knew full well as the (expert?) Chief Rabbi Ephraim Mirvis said, that in accepting a peerage from Corbyn the credibility of her report lay in tatters. Or as Labour Friends of Isreal director (expert?) Jennifer Gerber said, her nomination for a peerage undermines the independance of her inquiry and raises the question of the seriousness of Corbyns commitment to ridding the Labour party of anti semitism. SHE DID NOT CARE THOUGH she betrayed the Jews and in the process betrayed herself. How anyone could support her is beyond me. Oh, and anyone got an opinion of her views on grammar schools yet?" Chakrabarti has been rewarded again by Corbyn, newly promoted in his latest cabinet reshuffle tonight. | |||
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"I join you in congratulating him on making such a great appointment. He is short of talent so good on him for giving the people of Britain such an intelligent, principled fair minded individual a role holding the government to account. It's just a pity she didn't get the shadow Home Secretary gig instead of that intellectual light weight. " who needs an elected representative in a high position of government so long as they toe the party line eh | |||
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"I realise Teresa May, as Cameron did, have adopted quietly a lot of Labour proposals under Ed Miliband and Jeremy Corbyn, but I still wouldn't go as far as you and suggest they were in Government." So the aim is not to be in government? Fair enough, a lot of people suspected that all along. But when you start to put people in positions of power who are answerable to no one other than the glorious leader can you not see where that ends up? Have you learnt nothing from history? | |||
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"I agree you need to be careful. On the whole I think I am happier with Chakrabarti, rather than Philip Green. " twat he may be but he was asked to advise the government on efficiency and savings thats all and as succesful businessman what was wrong with that? He held no cabinet post or position of power and at least he's never been a hypocrite in his quest for money. And it was the Labour party who nominated him for a knighthood | |||
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". so if someone is bullied by a tv/ts its called tv/ts bullying is it? And I don't know how you have the nerve to mention the liar, hypocrite and whitewasher Chakrabarti What on earth are you talking about? And Chakrabarti is impartial and neither a liar, hypocrite or whitewasher. Good grief you are mad as a box of frogs. Her whole career has been devoted to standing up to injustices by the state and other organisations on behalf of the individual and their rights, but because she doesn't fall in line with your prejudices she must be a lying hypocrite? In your world it seems the world is divided into two types of people, openly greedy selfish bigots and secretly greedy selfish bigots. " Don't really understand that last bit but it seems that the Home Affairs Select Committee today agree with me over Labour, Corbyn and Chakrabati | |||
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"They do, but I think Corbyn's response is right. Given the overall conclusions regarding anti semitism in the Labour Party, which agrees with chakrabarti's investigation , the focus does indeed show politicisation and let's be honest it suits the purposes of both the Tories and the PLP to hammer Corbyn. The committee might have been cross party but it's focus and presentation shows a clear bias. " Bias? They did criticise Tim Farron as well but carry on being in denial if it makes you feel better about the kind of people you support | |||
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"They do, but I think Corbyn's response is right. Given the overall conclusions regarding anti semitism in the Labour Party, which agrees with chakrabarti's investigation , the focus does indeed show politicisation and let's be honest it suits the purposes of both the Tories and the PLP to hammer Corbyn. The committee might have been cross party but it's focus and presentation shows a clear bias. " So the select committee report was biased but Cakrabarti's report wasn't? Says it all really. | |||
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"Well, Chakrabarti throughout her entire time as the head of Liberty was unbiased. She was known for it. There is nothing to suggest that her enquiry and report into antisemitism was not fair and unbiased. In fact the Home Affairs Select Committee have agreed with her findings, which kind of puts you right wingers in a bit of difficulty with your argument really. The bias though is not in the actual findings but in the way they have presented them. The HASC was made up of 6 Tories, 1 SNP and 3 Labour. Of the 3 Labour MP's one was Chuka Umuna who is known as one of the most hostile to Jeremy Corbyn. Of the others David Winnick is not particularly anti Corbyn on policy but has been critical of him not stepping aside on his ability to lead the PLP, while the other Labour MP is Nas Shah who is neither pro nor anti Corbyn but either way was in a very weak position when it comes to a report on anti-semitism. So it is fair to say there is a great potential for bias inherent in that Committee. But did it manifest itself? Corbyn's statement makes it clear there was. Shame on them. “Although the Committee heard evidence that 75 per cent of antisemitic incidents come from far right sources, and the report states there is no reliable evidence to suggest antisemitism is greater in Labour than other parties, much of the report focuses on the Labour party. “As the report rightly acknowledges, politicising antisemitism – or using it as a weapon in controversies between and within political parties – does the struggle against it a disservice.” “I am also concerned by some other aspects of the Committee’s report. The Committee heard evidence from too narrow a pool of opinion, and its then-chair rejected both Chakrabarti’s and the Jewish Labour Movement’s requests to appear and give evidence before it. Not a single woman was called to give oral evidence in public, and the report violates natural justice by criticising individuals without giving them a right to be heard. “The report’s political framing and disproportionate emphasis on Labour risks undermining the positive and welcome recommendations made in it.” “The committee chose not to look in any detail at – or come up with proposals for – combatting antisemitism in other parties, our major civic institutions, in the workplace, in schools, in all those places where Jewish people’s life chances might be at risk through antisemitism. “In the Labour Party, which has been at the forefront of those struggles for equality, we remain committed to doing so. We continue to work with Jewish and other organisations in that endeavor, and are saddened that those on the Committee have chosen not to contribute to it. “The report unfairly criticises Shami Chakrabarti for not being sufficiently independent. This fails to acknowledge public statements that the offer to appoint Chakrabarti to the House of Lords came after completion of her report, and was based on her extensive legal and campaigning experience. “Commissioning Chakrabarti was an unprecedented step for a political party, demonstrating Labour’s commitment to fight against antisemitism.” Earlier in his statement, Mr Corbyn had commented: “The report in fact echoes much of Labour’s own Chakrabarti Inquiry report, including recommendations on language, stereotyping and training.” He continued: “Labour is already acting on her recommendations, including reform of our internal procedures, changes to the Party’s rule book and expansion of training to tackle antisemitism. “The Inquiry, which included Baroness Jan Royall, former leader of the House of Lords, and David Feldman, Director of the Pears Institute for the Study of Antisemitism on its panel, was praised by a number of bodies, including the Jewish Labour Movement, and by John Mann, the Chair of the All Parliamentary Party Group against Antisemitism. “I am proud that Labour is the only party that has specific protections in place to ensure a zero tolerance approach to antisemitism.” " proud? Why should it need them? | |||
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"Wtf? Didn't you understand the statement and findings? So your position is that although it was found that most antisemitism comes from the right and although the labour certainly suffers from no more antisemitism than the other parties the other parties have a more responsible attitude by doing fuck all to counter any they find?" CandM dont understand about left and right in politics, you just confuse them when you say things like 75% of antisemitism comes from the far right. | |||
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"Wtf? Didn't you understand the statement and findings? So your position is that although it was found that most antisemitism comes from the right and although the labour certainly suffers from no more antisemitism than the other parties the other parties have a more responsible attitude by doing fuck all to counter any they find? CandM dont understand about left and right in politics, you just confuse them when you say things like 75% of antisemitism comes from the far right." . CLCC understand nothing about anything,I,be never heard as much bullshit come out anyone,s posts but theirs | |||
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"Wtf? Didn't you understand the statement and findings? So your position is that although it was found that most antisemitism comes from the right and although the labour certainly suffers from no more antisemitism than the other parties the other parties have a more responsible attitude by doing fuck all to counter any they find? CandM dont understand about left and right in politics, you just confuse them when you say things like 75% of antisemitism comes from the far right." who is the far right? 75% of how many compared to 25% of how many? I'm not confused about anything, just don't see the world as black and white the way you do, I think for myself, you should try it | |||
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