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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

I know this is hypothetical .

As obviously it will be Corbyn or Smith .

But assuming you don't think they would be the best choices , who do you think would be ?

Mine would be Frank Field

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I know this is hypothetical .

As obviously it will be Corbyn or Smith .

But assuming you don't think they would be the best choices , who do you think would be ?

Mine would be Frank Field "

I dunno about leader but he is probably the only Labour MP I've got any time for

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"I know this is hypothetical .

As obviously it will be Corbyn or Smith .

But assuming you don't think they would be the best choices , who do you think would be ?

Mine would be Frank Field

I dunno about leader but he is probably the only Labour MP I've got any time for

"

Your probably Right he is a bit sensible

I'd happily have him as the leader of the E N P if it ever happens ?

Wich I think it will

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By *igsteve43Man
over a year ago

derby

The more i see her the more i like gisella stewart

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock


"The more i see her the more i like gisella stewart"

Gisella Stewart and as mentioned above Frank Field, 2 Labour MP's who backed the Leave campaign in the EU referendum and I'd say they are more in tune with a majority of Labour voters and the working classes opinions about the EU. Corbyn should have stuck to his anti EU principles, (which he has been known for virtually his whole career in politics) and he may have gathered even more support from the electorate than he currently has.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I don't think he'd be a good pm or necessarily a good leader but I can only imagine how funny it would be to have Dennis Skinner at the helm.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

John Mann seems to be interesting.

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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago

upton wirral


"I know this is hypothetical .

As obviously it will be Corbyn or Smith .

But assuming you don't think they would be the best choices , who do you think would be ?

Mine would be Frank Field "
To old

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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago

upton wirral

David Milliband

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"The more i see her the more i like gisella stewart

Gisella Stewart and as mentioned above Frank Field, 2 Labour MP's who backed the Leave campaign in the EU referendum and I'd say they are more in tune with a majority of Labour voters and the working classes opinions about the EU. Corbyn should have stuck to his anti EU principles, (which he has been known for virtually his whole career in politics) and he may have gathered even more support from the electorate than he currently has. "

Gisella seems to be a great choice

If Corbin would have "come out" as a leaver, he would be much more popular among Labour voters.

But the EU referendum has just shown how far removed most politicians are from their electorate x

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"The more i see her the more i like gisella stewart

Gisella Stewart and as mentioned above Frank Field, 2 Labour MP's who backed the Leave campaign in the EU referendum and I'd say they are more in tune with a majority of Labour voters and the working classes opinions about the EU. Corbyn should have stuck to his anti EU principles, (which he has been known for virtually his whole career in politics) and he may have gathered even more support from the electorate than he currently has.

Gisella seems to be a great choice

If Corbin would have "come out" as a leaver, he would be much more popular among Labour voters.

But the EU referendum has just shown how far removed most politicians are from their electorate x"

Going to spitball here, but perhaps Corbyn hid his anti-eu sentiments for the sake of trying to hold the PLP together, I mean there had been a lot of tension already, imagine your labour joining the minority 10 labour leave mps.

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock


"The more i see her the more i like gisella stewart

Gisella Stewart and as mentioned above Frank Field, 2 Labour MP's who backed the Leave campaign in the EU referendum and I'd say they are more in tune with a majority of Labour voters and the working classes opinions about the EU. Corbyn should have stuck to his anti EU principles, (which he has been known for virtually his whole career in politics) and he may have gathered even more support from the electorate than he currently has.

Gisella seems to be a great choice

If Corbin would have "come out" as a leaver, he would be much more popular among Labour voters.

But the EU referendum has just shown how far removed most politicians are from their electorate x

Going to spitball here, but perhaps Corbyn hid his anti-eu sentiments for the sake of trying to hold the PLP together, I mean there had been a lot of tension already, imagine your labour joining the minority 10 labour leave mps."

Isn't he supposed to be a man of principle though? The way he supported Remain just made him look like a weak minded sell out.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"The more i see her the more i like gisella stewart

Gisella Stewart and as mentioned above Frank Field, 2 Labour MP's who backed the Leave campaign in the EU referendum and I'd say they are more in tune with a majority of Labour voters and the working classes opinions about the EU. Corbyn should have stuck to his anti EU principles, (which he has been known for virtually his whole career in politics) and he may have gathered even more support from the electorate than he currently has.

Gisella seems to be a great choice

If Corbin would have "come out" as a leaver, he would be much more popular among Labour voters.

But the EU referendum has just shown how far removed most politicians are from their electorate x

Going to spitball here, but perhaps Corbyn hid his anti-eu sentiments for the sake of trying to hold the PLP together, I mean there had been a lot of tension already, imagine your labour joining the minority 10 labour leave mps.

Isn't he supposed to be a man of principle though? The way he supported Remain just made him look like a weak minded sell out."

Not saying you are wrong at all, nor right - certainly some people who liked him might view it that way. And those who dislike him will use it to question his integrity.

But what defines a sell out in a leadership position, whose election to that position has been heavily contested and whom has to keep the opposition together for the sake of those who support it?

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By *isandreTV/TS
over a year ago

Durham

65% of Labour voters voted to Remain, so any Labour MP's who backed Leave are out of touch with Labour Voters. They are also out of touch with the young.

Corbyn has been consistent in his principles.

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By *tillup4funMan
over a year ago

Wakefield


"65% of Labour voters voted to Remain, so any Labour MP's who backed Leave are out of touch with Labour Voters. They are also out of touch with the young.

Corbyn has been consistent in his principles.

"

Not where I live Wakefield has always been Labour but 62% voted leave and Wakefield had its highest turn out for the referendum vote for over 60 years.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"The more i see her the more i like gisella stewart

Gisella Stewart and as mentioned above Frank Field, 2 Labour MP's who backed the Leave campaign in the EU referendum and I'd say they are more in tune with a majority of Labour voters and the working classes opinions about the EU. Corbyn should have stuck to his anti EU principles, (which he has been known for virtually his whole career in politics) and he may have gathered even more support from the electorate than he currently has. "

Absolutely, I have said all along Gisella Stewart has the qualities and level head for the Job as leader, but then, why would Labour take any notice of what the public voting for them want!!!

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failing that John Prescott should come out of retirement

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By *isandreTV/TS
over a year ago

Durham


"65% of Labour voters voted to Remain, so any Labour MP's who backed Leave are out of touch with Labour Voters. They are also out of touch with the young.

Corbyn has been consistent in his principles.

Not where I live Wakefield has always been Labour but 62% voted leave and Wakefield had its highest turn out for the referendum vote for over 60 years."

The area voted Leave because a large majority of people in the area voted Leave not necessarily a majority of Labour voters.

Nationally, about 2/3 Labour, Lib-Dem and SNP voters voted to Remain, 58% of Tories and 96% of UKIPpers voted Leave

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"The more i see her the more i like gisella stewart

Gisella Stewart and as mentioned above Frank Field, 2 Labour MP's who backed the Leave campaign in the EU referendum and I'd say they are more in tune with a majority of Labour voters and the working classes opinions about the EU. Corbyn should have stuck to his anti EU principles, (which he has been known for virtually his whole career in politics) and he may have gathered even more support from the electorate than he currently has.

Absolutely, I have said all along Gisella Stewart has the qualities and level head for the Job as leader, but then, why would Labour take any notice of what the public voting for them want!!!

.

failing that John Prescott should come out of retirement "

what he said

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock


"65% of Labour voters voted to Remain, so any Labour MP's who backed Leave are out of touch with Labour Voters. They are also out of touch with the young.

Corbyn has been consistent in his principles.

"

No Corbyn turned his back on his principles. His whole career from the 1970's, all through the 80's, all through the 90's, all through the 00's and right upto the point he became Labour leader he was against the EU and consistently took an anti EU viewpoint. Even during his Labour leadership battle against Yvette Cooper, Andy Burnham and Liz Kendal he argued the case against the EU in debates against them. Corbyn is a sellout and the same goes for his lefty henchman John McDonnel.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"65% of Labour voters voted to Remain, so any Labour MP's who backed Leave are out of touch with Labour Voters. They are also out of touch with the young.

Corbyn has been consistent in his principles.

Not where I live Wakefield has always been Labour but 62% voted leave and Wakefield had its highest turn out for the referendum vote for over 60 years.

The area voted Leave because a large majority of people in the area voted Leave not necessarily a majority of Labour voters.

Nationally, about 2/3 Labour, Lib-Dem and SNP voters voted to Remain, 58% of Tories and 96% of UKIPpers voted Leave "

complete and utter rubbish. Where on the ballot paper did it say which party you voted for?

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By *isandreTV/TS
over a year ago

Durham

What Corbyn said during the referendum was entirely consistent with his stance on the EU, which is that there is much wrong with it, much he would like to change, but that on balance it was better to stay in the EU and work to make it better.

Do you not remember his famous 'I'd give it 7/10' remark.

I don't think you would find any remainer who thought differently.

You need to listen to what the man actually says, in context, rather than what the shit scared right wing tabloid media pretend he says.

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By *isandreTV/TS
over a year ago

Durham


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complete and utter rubbish. Where on the ballot paper did it say which party you voted for?"

The statistics were compiled from post referendum polling data.

http://lordashcroftpolls.com/2016/06/how-the-united-kingdom-voted-and-why/

I haven't seen anything to contradict this, but clearly you are so outraged you will provide it.

Or are you one of those types that believe what you want, hence the Daily Mail can get away with reporting anything factually?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

All I saw was the poorer the area the higher the leave vote. So how do people who say most Labour supporters voted Remain square that one? Unless most Labour supporters are middle class luvvies these days

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock


"What Corbyn said during the referendum was entirely consistent with his stance on the EU, which is that there is much wrong with it, much he would like to change, but that on balance it was better to stay in the EU and work to make it better.

Do you not remember his famous 'I'd give it 7/10' remark.

I don't think you would find any remainer who thought differently.

You need to listen to what the man actually says, in context, rather than what the shit scared right wing tabloid media pretend he says.

"

Play the old right wing card all you like, facts are facts, and are George Galloway and Kate Hoey left wing enough for you?

George Galloway and Kate Hoey both said during the referendum campaign that Jeremy Corbyn and John McDonnel sat in just about every anti EU lobby in Westminster with them for the last 3 decades. So as I said Corbyn and McDonnel are both sell outs who turned their backs on their principles.

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By *isandreTV/TS
over a year ago

Durham

Yes, the poorer the area, often the higher the leave vote, so that isn't an illogical snap judgement.

Clearly though, the issue is more complex. What skews it somewhat is the high remain votes in many inner cities.

What it probably indicates, at least in my view, is that those in poorer areas are more angry at their current situation. I do think a lot of people were voting to send a message that they were not happy with the status quo and wanted change.

The Leave campaign were effective not just in the few months leading to the referendum but in fact over many years of repeated attacks in the right wing media, at blaming every ill in this country on the foreigners, immigrants and the EU rather than ourselves and UK governments.

In the research after the referendum only about 6% of leave voters cited economic grounds as the MAIN reason they voted that way. Most cited immigration and taking back control of both laws and borders. Those poorer areas with generally less immigrants voted Leave. Those poorer regions with more immigrants voted remain.

I speculate that those areas with more immigrants realise they are not to blame for our problems, while others kind of were fooled by the media into thinking they are the boogie man.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"65% of Labour voters voted to Remain, so any Labour MP's who backed Leave are out of touch with Labour Voters. They are also out of touch with the young.

Corbyn has been consistent in his principles.

"

Whilst I appreciate your fact and statement I think what we have to remember is that members don't translate to voter numbers.

eg, an area can be a traditional labour area, but those who vote labour might not be members of the party.

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By *isandreTV/TS
over a year ago

Durham

I believe Ashcrofts poll sampled labour (and other party) voters not members, so your theory, which was a good one, isn't valid.

There may be flaws in the methodology of the poll, I don't know, but it was reflective not predictive, it was conducted straight after the referendum and it was a large sample.

It should be taken at face value. There is no other similar poll to refute it.

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By *iamondjoeMan
over a year ago

Glastonbury

LOL

So basically anyone the right-wing thinks is ok by virtue of doing the g'ment's dirty work or being pro-Leave?

There's a reason you lot vote/think the way you do...

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