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Whoever gets the leadership crown is guaranteeing Tory government for at least a decade.
I'm wondering if Nigel Farage hadn't stood down, would UKIP have a chance at becoming the opposition?
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"Anyone else watching? Jeremy is making Owen look like a proper tit
Whoever gets the leadership crown is guaranteeing Tory government for at least a decade.
I'm wondering if Nigel Farage hadn't stood down, would UKIP have a chance at becoming the opposition?
Thoughts?"Yes if p r was brought in . | |||
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"Anyone else watching? Jeremy is making Owen look like a proper tit
Whoever gets the leadership crown is guaranteeing Tory government for at least a decade.
I'm wondering if Nigel Farage hadn't stood down, would UKIP have a chance at becoming the opposition?
Thoughts?"No. Since Brexit a lot of Ukip voters have gone back to the Tories. | |||
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"Anyone else watching? Jeremy is making Owen look like a proper tit
Whoever gets the leadership crown is guaranteeing Tory government for at least a decade.
I'm wondering if Nigel Farage hadn't stood down, would UKIP have a chance at becoming the opposition?
Thoughts?
No. Since Brexit a lot of Ukip voters have gone back to the Tories. "True but a lot of Labour have gone to UKIP | |||
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"I could have posted this in either of the QT threads... But why does everyone think JC is so bad? Could it be that every media outlet including the BBC is telling you that? Apparently if you believe the pundits he is an unelectable disaster who needs to be replaced by a a torylite Blairist clone if labour is to regain power. However if you look dispassionately at the GE results you will see that torylite blairist policies led to a collapse in the labour vote, but that since JC became leader of the labour party they have had the best results in years, in fact you have to go back to blairs high water line to find similar labour success. Now why would all the media be so biased? Could it be that it is owned and controlled by those who support hard right politics? And if JC is so unelectable why are the political establishment so keen to remove him? Could it possibly be that the political establishment and their media backers see the gravy train they have been riding for 35 years about to be derailed?" This! | |||
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"I could have posted this in either of the QT threads... But why does everyone think JC is so bad? Could it be that every media outlet including the BBC is telling you that? Apparently if you believe the pundits he is an unelectable disaster who needs to be replaced by a a torylite Blairist clone if labour is to regain power. However if you look dispassionately at the GE results you will see that torylite blairist policies led to a collapse in the labour vote, but that since JC became leader of the labour party they have had the best results in years, in fact you have to go back to blairs high water line to find similar labour success. Now why would all the media be so biased? Could it be that it is owned and controlled by those who support hard right politics? And if JC is so unelectable why are the political establishment so keen to remove him? Could it possibly be that the political establishment and their media backers see the gravy train they have been riding for 35 years about to be derailed?" The GE result was down to the fact the electorate didn't trust Labour on the economy, a lot of people wanted a referendum on the EU and Milliband was thick as 2 short planks. There is no media or establishment bias against Corbyn as such, they are just intelligent enough, as are most of the electorate, to see him for the clown he is and despise his vile ideology, racism and misogyny. Do not kid yourself that he cares about people, it is a lie | |||
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"The GE result was down to the fact the electorate didn't trust Labour on the economy, a lot of people wanted a referendum on the EU and Milliband was thick as 2 short planks. There is no media or establishment bias against Corbyn as such, they are just intelligent enough, as are most of the electorate, to see him for the clown he is and despise his vile ideology, racism and misogyny. Do not kid yourself that he cares about people, it is a lie" Would that be in the same way he is responsible for the out vote in the referendum too? Although 63% of labour voters voted to stay in while 57% of tory voters voted out? As I said maybe you and a lot of others are swallowing the rightwing propaganda. | |||
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" But why does everyone think JC is so bad? Could it be that every media outlet including the BBC is telling you that? Could it be that it is owned and controlled by those who support hard right politics? Could it possibly be that the political establishment and their media backers see the gravy train they have been riding for 35 years about to be derailed?" Could it be that he comes across as a spineless complete twat ?  | |||
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"The GE result was down to the fact the electorate didn't trust Labour on the economy, a lot of people wanted a referendum on the EU and Milliband was thick as 2 short planks. There is no media or establishment bias against Corbyn as such, they are just intelligent enough, as are most of the electorate, to see him for the clown he is and despise his vile ideology, racism and misogyny. Do not kid yourself that he cares about people, it is a lie Would that be in the same way he is responsible for the out vote in the referendum too? Although 63% of labour voters voted to stay in while 57% of tory voters voted out? As I said maybe you and a lot of others are swallowing the rightwing propaganda. " The Referendum was a foretaste of a future GE. Basically Corbyn was useless presenting his party's formal policy of 'Remain' and regardless of that Labour voters amongst the electorate ignored the plank .... | |||
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"The Referendum was a foretaste of a future GE. Basically Corbyn was useless presenting his party's formal policy of 'Remain' and regardless of that Labour voters amongst the electorate ignored the plank .... "Really? So he gets 63% of labour voters to vote 'in' by not indulging in fearmoungering and is a totally spineless failure while the tory project fear delivers a 43% 'in' vote and it is a success? Can you see anything wrong with your position?  | |||
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"The Referendum was a foretaste of a future GE. Basically Corbyn was useless presenting his party's formal policy of 'Remain' and regardless of that Labour voters amongst the electorate ignored the plank ....
Really?
So he gets 63% of labour voters to vote 'in' by not indulging in fearmoungering and is a totally spineless failure while the tory project fear delivers a 43% 'in' vote and it is a success?
Can you see anything wrong with your position? "None at all because I campaigned as a Tory for Vote Leave and won. And precisely where was the box on the ballot paper that indicated what party a voter was in? I missed that...  | |||
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"The Referendum was a foretaste of a future GE. Basically Corbyn was useless presenting his party's formal policy of 'Remain' and regardless of that Labour voters amongst the electorate ignored the plank ....
Really?
So he gets 63% of labour voters to vote 'in' by not indulging in fearmoungering and is a totally spineless failure while the tory project fear delivers a 43% 'in' vote and it is a success?
Can you see anything wrong with your position?
None at all because I campaigned as a Tory for Vote Leave and won.
And precisely where was the box on the ballot paper that indicated what party a voter was in? I missed that... "Guess you have never heard of exit polls or correlating and comparing referendum results against GE results... Dont you worry about it tho, someone in authority will tell you what to think when they need you to repeat the party line.  | |||
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"The Referendum was a foretaste of a future GE. Basically Corbyn was useless presenting his party's formal policy of 'Remain' and regardless of that Labour voters amongst the electorate ignored the plank ....
Really?
So he gets 63% of labour voters to vote 'in' by not indulging in fearmoungering and is a totally spineless failure while the tory project fear delivers a 43% 'in' vote and it is a success?
Can you see anything wrong with your position?
None at all because I campaigned as a Tory for Vote Leave and won.
And precisely where was the box on the ballot paper that indicated what party a voter was in? I missed that...
Guess you have never heard of exit polls or correlating and comparing referendum results against GE results...
Dont you worry about it tho, someone in authority will tell you what to think when they need you to repeat the party line.
"you really believe those figures when areas which are traditionally working class and Labour voters, voted overwhelmingly to leave the EU? I think you need to get a grip on reality | |||
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"The GE result was down to the fact the electorate didn't trust Labour on the economy, a lot of people wanted a referendum on the EU and Milliband was thick as 2 short planks. There is no media or establishment bias against Corbyn as such, they are just intelligent enough, as are most of the electorate, to see him for the clown he is and despise his vile ideology, racism and misogyny. Do not kid yourself that he cares about people, it is a lie Would that be in the same way he is responsible for the out vote in the referendum too? Although 63% of labour voters voted to stay in while 57% of tory voters voted out? As I said maybe you and a lot of others are swallowing the rightwing propaganda. " It is not propoganda. Do you have any idea what you are supporting? He knows he has no chance of getting into power, he wants revolution not democracy. I suppose Revolutionary Socialism was never to blame for the KGB or Stasi was it? Do you know what Dictatorship of the Proletariat is? Do you know what Theory of surplus value is? You should if you support him because those are his aims and values. Good luck with that | |||
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"The Referendum was a foretaste of a future GE. Basically Corbyn was useless presenting his party's formal policy of 'Remain' and regardless of that Labour voters amongst the electorate ignored the plank ....
Really?
So he gets 63% of labour voters to vote 'in' by not indulging in fearmoungering and is a totally spineless failure while the tory project fear delivers a 43% 'in' vote and it is a success?
Can you see anything wrong with your position?
None at all because I campaigned as a Tory for Vote Leave and won.
And precisely where was the box on the ballot paper that indicated what party a voter was in? I missed that...
Guess you have never heard of exit polls or correlating and comparing referendum results against GE results...
Dont you worry about it tho, someone in authority will tell you what to think when they need you to repeat the party line.
"Oh right Polls. Yeah they got the 2015 GE dead right. They also got the EU Referendum dead right. And what on earth is 'correlating and comparing referendum results against GE results'? Dear God even the Pollsters on the night of the Referendum said there could NOT be an exit poll. Read, watch, listen and enjoy: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36596647 And as for your sarcasm ... failed..
Oh and yes the Tory Party line was actually more 'Leave' than 'Remain' it was the Government and Labour and Liberal Parties that were fervently 'Remain'. And got defeated by Tories like me and millions of Labour supporters as well.
Remind me again please. Is Sunderland a Labour heartland? I do believe it is. In fact all 12 Tyne and Wear constituencies are massive Labour majorities. And how did they vote in the Referendum? 11 out of 12 voted 'Leave'.
Try to be less clever and more informed... | |||
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"Hmmm...think we have a self declared Tory Brexit voter criticising Corbyn for contributing to the result they wanted? Irony?? Corbyn was heavily criticised for his weak support for Remain; haven't seen Theresa May get criticism for same position - one speech for Remain in two months. Pot and kettle." Except that Theresa May was not a leader of a political party in June unlike Corbyn was she? But yes both as a Tory and as a Brexit campaigner I am very happy the bloke is a total wanker .. | |||
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"Hmmm...think we have a self declared Tory Brexit voter criticising Corbyn for contributing to the result they wanted? Irony?? Corbyn was heavily criticised for his weak support for Remain; haven't seen Theresa May get criticism for same position - one speech for Remain in two months. Pot and kettle. Except that Theresa May was not a leader of a political party in June unlike Corbyn was she? But yes both as a Tory and as a Brexit campaigner I am very happy the bloke is a total wanker .. "No Saint Theresa was Home Secretary and immigration was a key issue...hedging ones bets? As for wankers...lol this is fabswingers!! | |||
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"The Referendum was a foretaste of a future GE. Basically Corbyn was useless presenting his party's formal policy of 'Remain' and regardless of that Labour voters amongst the electorate ignored the plank ....
Really?
So he gets 63% of labour voters to vote 'in' by not indulging in fearmoungering and is a totally spineless failure while the tory project fear delivers a 43% 'in' vote and it is a success?
Can you see anything wrong with your position?
None at all because I campaigned as a Tory for Vote Leave and won.
And precisely where was the box on the ballot paper that indicated what party a voter was in? I missed that... "Also the fact that in strong Tory seats there was a higher remain vote. In strong labour seats a stronger out vote! The "63%" of labour voters voting in clearly comes from the usual source of statistics....back of a damp beer mat! | |||
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