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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

So, I'm sure people have heard about Japans's prime minister issuing warnings about what Japanese businesses require of the UK's Brexit deals if they are to continuing growing and investing in the UK.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"So, I'm sure people have heard about Japans's prime minister issuing warnings about what Japanese businesses require of the UK's Brexit deals if they are to continuing growing and investing in the UK.

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You think we should bow to Japan, do as we are told??

where would we be now if we had done that during the period of 1939-1945?

we are going to be a nation that does not bow to other countries

and to put it politely - fuck Japan

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By *ust_for_laughsCouple
over a year ago

Hinckley

Yeah, fuck off Honda, Toyota, Nissan and Hitachi amongst others with your circa 140,000 jobs.

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

Discuss?

You think we should bow to Japan, do as we are told??

where would we be now if we had done that during the period of 1939-1945?

we are going to be a nation that does not bow to other countries

and to put it politely - fuck Japan"

there are tens of thousands of people dependant on jobs with Japanese companies and several thousands more in jobs reliant on those work places, the economic and political reality of those livelihoods and the votes that go with them will mean that a sensible attitude will be the way forward..

not some xenophobic claptrap..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Discuss?"
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What do you think the Japanese companies want?...abinomics have been very popular in Japan and obviously he's riding the wagon but Japan has its own particular problems that the west could learn from.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Discuss?.

I'm not sure, explain your rationale to me.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Why did a Japanese company buy ARM after the referendum?

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Discuss?

You think we should bow to Japan, do as we are told??

where would we be now if we had done that during the period of 1939-1945?

we are going to be a nation that does not bow to other countries

and to put it politely - fuck Japan"

Wow, how rude.

This isn't about nations demanding things from one another in a nationalist 19th century way.

This is about a prime minister who knows which businesses operate and invest in the UK, and what their concerns are in regards to our political choice. It's not malice, it's just national leaders who have good modern relations communicating.

As another poster has said, Japanese businesses employ a lot of British workers, many in poor and post industrial parts of the UK. Who would fill the void and bring down unemployment in a worst case scenario.

Jumping back a bit, your commends about Japan in WW2 are rather ironic considering Britain helped deliver a nationalist, Imperialist Japan to the world.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Why did a Japanese company buy ARM after the referendum?"

Do some research it's not about slowing Japanese investment, its about long established businesses here wishing for a deal which will continue to allow them to grow and expand, rather than contract.

Not being funny but ARM would struggle to establish production centres and therefore jobs, in places where toyota have production lines.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Discuss?.

I'm not sure, explain your rationale to me.

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Why do you think the Japanese are here?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Why did a Japanese company buy ARM after the referendum?

Do some research it's not about slowing Japanese investment, its about long established businesses here wishing for a deal which will continue to allow them to grow and expand, rather than contract.

Not being funny but ARM would struggle to establish production centres and therefore jobs, in places where toyota have production lines."

Why does Japan import Toyota cars from Derby?

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Discuss?.

I'm not sure, explain your rationale to me.

Why do you think the Japanese are here?"

I believe in terms of Japanese banking in the UK, they like to use London as base of operation for business and expansion into Europe. So access to the common market.

Could be wrong about manufacturing, but I imagine it has something to do with british workers having a manufacturing history, and then back when it was the EEC, didn't we work to get japanese cars produced in Britain to be recognised as a British export, therefore Japanese businesses could use the tariff free zone on their product?

Correct me if I am off track.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Why did a Japanese company buy ARM after the referendum?

Do some research it's not about slowing Japanese investment, its about long established businesses here wishing for a deal which will continue to allow them to grow and expand, rather than contract.

Not being funny but ARM would struggle to establish production centres and therefore jobs, in places where toyota have production lines.

Why does Japan import Toyota cars from Derby?"

You are making little sense here, if that a sarcastic question, or a genuine question?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Discuss?"

I would advise any foreign leader to be very careful about lecturing the British about anything these days. We have had decades of it from the EU, have had enough and we have rebelled. We told Obama to go and place his 'back of the queue' remarks where the sun doesn't shine.

But the report from the Japanese Foreign Ministry (not the PM) does not 'lecture' and neither would the Japanese culture seek such a thing. Can I quote:

"Japan respects the will of the British people as demonstrated in the

referendum, and is keenly monitoring the actions of the British Government.

We also admire the way in which the EU has responded to the outcome of the

referendum in a quick and calm manner. Although the negotiations are sure to

encounter difficulties from time to time, Japan has no doubt that the UK and the EU will overcome such difficulties and lay the foundations for the creation of a new Europe."

You can read the full report in the Hyperlink in the 2nd paragraph in the BBC piece here:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-37270372

Of course Japan will look to preserve its international commitments as will the UK. Firms like Honda, Nissan, and Toyota came here because we can design and build great cars with a flexible workforce and all pre-date the EU and even the EC. Nissan and Honda arrived in 1985 and Toyota in 1990. So they came here when we had a purely trading arrangement with 'Europe' not the political EU one.

What Japan wants is what we want and indeed what the majority of German industry wants. All they have to do is get the EU politicians in line ...

The BBC misleads yet again by saying Hitachi Rail is here by some connection to the EU but I would tell them that they only came here because we awarded them a £4.5 Bn contract to build some 870 carriages for our two big Main Lines. The condition of that contract was that they be built here. They have since been given contracts to build 234 carriages here for Scotrail and 173 for GWR which are actually being built in Italy! So Hitachi are welcome to leave if they wish as Bombardier at Derby can build our own trains very well these days. The problem is we are ordering more trains than we have industrial capacity to build. Another UK success story benefiting other countries like Germany (Siemens), Spain (CAF and Vossloh) and Switzerland (Stadler). And the EU doesn't need us?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Discuss?

You think we should bow to Japan, do as we are told??

where would we be now if we had done that during the period of 1939-1945?

we are going to be a nation that does not bow to other countries

and to put it politely - fuck Japan

Wow, how rude.

This isn't about nations demanding things from one another in a nationalist 19th century way.

Jumping back a bit, your commends about Japan in WW2 are rather ironic considering Britain helped deliver a nationalist, Imperialist Japan to the world."

If you remember before the referendum Barack Obama also issued warnings and what some could consider "threats" remember the one " the UK will be at the back of the queue"

and look now how he has changed his mind, how he now says openly in public how we should work together as greatest allies

again we should not bow down to any threats or warnings

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Discuss?.

I'm not sure, explain your rationale to me.

Why do you think the Japanese are here?

I believe in terms of Japanese banking in the UK, they like to use London as base of operation for business and expansion into Europe. So access to the common market.

Correct me if I am off track."
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Banking is simple.... London is the most corrupt place in the world to do financial services, it's why there's German banks, American French Swiss British and everybody in between.

Manufacturing wise Japan hit the wall in the 80s they realised that they can't do manufacturing in Japan in the future and therefore started moving their plants abroad.

I have a particular fondness for Japan and Japanese culture but they really can't lecture other country's on freedom of movement(in reality we are talking about this as that's the crux to the single market) they've spent 500 years in isolation protecting Japanese culture.

Anyhow I digress

They came here because there was limitations on how many units they could import from Japan, there still is today ...both ways

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Discuss?

You think we should bow to Japan, do as we are told??

where would we be now if we had done that during the period of 1939-1945?

we are going to be a nation that does not bow to other countries

and to put it politely - fuck Japan

Wow, how rude.

This isn't about nations demanding things from one another in a nationalist 19th century way.

Jumping back a bit, your commends about Japan in WW2 are rather ironic considering Britain helped deliver a nationalist, Imperialist Japan to the world.

If you remember before the referendum Barack Obama also issued warnings and what some could consider "threats" remember the one " the UK will be at the back of the queue"

and look now how he has changed his mind, how he now says openly in public how we should work together as greatest allies

again we should not bow down to any threats or warnings"

Your completely missing the point, as the poster above has said, the Japanese foreign minister (apologies for referring to him as prime minister) respects the will of the british people, he simply wants us to continue having good business relations.

The last 50 years have been, arguably the most peaceful, progressive and diplomatic since 'civilisations' have existed. If we want that to continue, nations and the people in those nations have to be willing to take a bit of criticism from the trading partners and allies.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Why did a Japanese company buy ARM after the referendum?

Do some research it's not about slowing Japanese investment, its about long established businesses here wishing for a deal which will continue to allow them to grow and expand, rather than contract.

Not being funny but ARM would struggle to establish production centres and therefore jobs, in places where toyota have production lines.

Why does Japan import Toyota cars from Derby?

You are making little sense here, if that a sarcastic question, or a genuine question?"

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By *illwill69uMan
over a year ago

moston

"Why does Japan import Toyota cars from Derby?

You are making little sense here, if that a sarcastic question, or a genuine question?

genuine"

OK I'll bite...

It is simply to do with economies of scale.

Toyota (like all multinationals) make products that are aimed at markets.

The products it produces it produces in the UK are aimed at the EU market and at the time of setting up production the UK offered the most favourable deal and manufacturing environment within the EU, so they built the production line here (in the same way they build products aimed at the US and continental America market on the American continent and products aimed at their home market in Japan). The fact that some Japanese like to drive Euroboxs does not justify building a second production line in Japan so they import cars from the UK to satisfy the market demand.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If you export alot your currency rises in value, this is for numerous reasons but basically the people you sell shit to have to buy your currency to buy it!!.

Now if you follow this through you'll see that you're now strong currency hinders you from exporting your shit!!.

Solution build your plant there!.

You know what's lovely about Japan, they have this incredible talent for productivity yet cannot and will not use it for traditional Japanese culture, there fishing and agriculture industry is one of the most unproductive in the developed world, they just like the ways of old on many things!.

Anyhow getting back to exporting goods, have you noticed for the last oh over 35 years the yen has been well... manipulated, they've been pushing low interest rates and QE for decades, propping up banks for decades, fighting asset booms... It's what happens when you over produce in a stagnating population.

The global economy is producing to much shit for the amount of consumers and the ironic thing is the third world is way bigger but we keep it third world??.

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock

Discuss?

But the report from the Japanese Foreign Ministry (not the PM) does not 'lecture' and neither would the Japanese culture seek such a thing. Can I quote:

"Japan respects the will of the British people as demonstrated in the

referendum, and is keenly monitoring the actions of the British Government.

We also admire the way in which the EU has responded to the outcome of the

referendum in a quick and calm manner. Although the negotiations are sure to

encounter difficulties from time to time, Japan has no doubt that the UK and the EU will overcome such difficulties and lay the foundations for the creation of a new Europe."

You can read the full report in the Hyperlink in the 2nd paragraph in the BBC piece here:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-37270372

What Japan wants is what we want and indeed what the majority of German industry wants. All they have to do is get the EU politicians in line ...

Good post again and as you point out the Japanese want what Britain wants and that is good trade links with Europe. However Britain has made it very clear now that we don't want to be part of any political union with the EU, and we will make our own way in the world. Brexit cabinet ministers in government are confident and optimistic we will maintain good trade relations with the rest of Europe, after all it is in the EU's own interests to do so. Japan just need to be very careful about the type of language they are using and we really shouldn't yield to any kind of ultimatums from them. The majority of the British public already sent a clear message to Obama and his views with the result of the referendum so Britain won't be told what we can or can't do by any other country.

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

If you remember before the referendum Barack Obama also issued warnings and what some could consider "threats" remember the one " the UK will be at the back of the queue"

and look now how he has changed his mind, how he now says openly in public how we should work together as greatest allies

your right he did say that... we bow to your superior knowledge....

but you are being a wee bit disengenious because after he said that he did actually reiterate that the UK would still behind trade talk negioation queue behind the EU talks... and the asia-pacific talks.....

so still not coming as quick as you would like people to believe....

deception is an interesting tool to use...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If you remember before the referendum Barack Obama also issued warnings and what some could consider "threats" remember the one " the UK will be at the back of the queue"

and look now how he has changed his mind, how he now says openly in public how we should work together as greatest allies

your right he did say that... we bow to your superior knowledge....

so still not coming as quick as you would like people to believe....

deception is an interesting tool to use...

well he might have a point if there were any EU talks.

And talks are needed for what anyway? Do we nndt already do business with the U.S?

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

the great irony being that nissan in sunderland and honda in swindon actually built where they are now with the assistance of EU regeneration money (i am sure the "well its our money" arguement will come along....)

the one thing that may "save" nissan in sunderland is that half the cars produced there are sold here in the uk, which means it would be wise for them to stay here..... but it may mean the expansion plans that were being muted may go elsewheere.....

"What Japan wants is what we want and indeed what the majority of German industry wants. All they have to do is get the EU politicians in line ...

see... now you are flat out lying... sorry to call you out like that but the hatachi rail factory in Newton Aycliffe in county durham was built in conjunction with money from the EU class 1 regeneration fund... (the north east being classed as class 1 as an area with the greatest need of help after other industries went away.....)

what they have done since it on the good workers and systems they have... but please dont go there buy pretending the money they got to subsidise the initial building of the factory and the training of the workforce from the EU didn't help in any way shape or form......

don't insult people's intelligence!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Sigmar Gabriel, the German economy minister says that the US/EU trade talks have effectively failed.

So if they are lucky the US might now get the chance to talk to the UK. Depends on where they are in the queue I suppose

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

What Japan wants is what we want and indeed what the majority of German industry wants. All they have to do is get the EU politicians in line ...

don't insult people's intelligence!"

Not really worth the argument. The reality appears to be that Japan along with the U.K. Govt want a tariff free trade deal with the remaining EU countries, so that UK based Japanese companies can continue to prosper. As for the source of the money to help Hitachi and Nissan set up in the UK, well there is only one accurate answer... The U.K. Tax payer, not a single penny piece came from any other EU based tax payer.

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

"Sigmar Gabriel, the German economy minister says that the US/EU trade talks have effectively failed.

So if they are lucky the US might now get the chance to talk to the UK. Depends on where they are in the queue I suppose

well since there centrepiece of the agreement was TTIP...and people sited TTIP in the way that they hated the EU-US deal and the outcome it may have on, for example, the NHS.... it wasn't just the germans who had reseravations, the french did, the UK did.... Trump, Sanders and now Clinton were against it....

its been dead in the water for a while... so lets not pretend that it was just scuppered by those nasty pasties in brussels.... farrage and brexiteers hated TTIP

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

The U.K. Tax payer, not a single penny piece came from any other EU based tax payer."

i so knew that arguement was coming so thanks for endulging me.....anytime you talk about the EU helping the regions its always "well its our money"..... I didn't see the uk government putting the money into those regions before the EU did......

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock

"Sigmar Gabriel, the German economy minister says that the US/EU trade talks have effectively failed.

So if they are lucky the US might now get the chance to talk to the UK. Depends on where they are in the queue I suppose

Correct, the USA - EU trade deal TTIP is dead in the water. Just another failure the EU can add to the ever growing list of things it has failed on.

Plus Obama's views are frankly irrelevant now, he's out of the White House in a few short months. It's Clinton and Trumps views which are important, Clinton may push the same line as Obama, but Trump doesn't like the EU and wants a trade deal with the UK.

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By *an_WoodMan
over a year ago

Stafford

Trump also wants a Wall

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock

"Trump also wants a Wall

....and he'll get one if he becomes President.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Why does Japan import Toyota cars from Derby?

You are making little sense here, if that a sarcastic question, or a genuine question?

genuine

OK I'll bite...

It is simply to do with economies of scale.

Toyota (like all multinationals) make products that are aimed at markets.

Just to add to that point.

Toyota brought the lean movement into the manufacturing and IT industry. They were masters in removing muda (waste). One of their waste was transportation. Since they want to deliver a car fast from the moment it's ordered, they have many manufacturing across the world to meet the demand.

Many try to follow their way of working.In my industry Japan led the way of lean processes.

As mentioned in the quote, cost is a another muda (waste) so the deals they make matter.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The U.K. Tax payer, not a single penny piece came from any other EU based tax payer.

Well thank you EU for spending our money. No evidence that HMG would not have spent the money on the same projects, as the projects were largely identified by HMG in the first place. EU branded spend within the UK was never anything other than propaganda, as it was UK tax payers money they were spending in every single case.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Sigmar Gabriel, the German economy minister says that the US/EU trade talks have effectively failed.

So if they are lucky the US might now get the chance to talk to the UK. Depends on where they are in the queue I suppose

its been dead in the water for a while... so lets not pretend that it was just scuppered by those nasty pasties in brussels.... farrage and brexiteers hated TTIP

I think you missed the point. So what deals are the US now doing with the EU that would prevent them from talking to the UK? There must be a fair few trade negotiators now sat in the US twiddling their thumbs

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Well given the EU didn't exist in the '80s I suspect you have your facts wrong but never mind.

" the one thing that may "save" nissan in sunderland is that half the cars produced there are sold here in the uk, which means it would be wise for them to stay here..... but it may mean the expansion plans that were being muted may go elsewheere....."

Well the fact that Nissan knew there would be the EU Referendum before they committed to building the new Juke model in Sunderland in September 2015 and also expanding the model range to include new Infinity models bound for the USA and China (which started production in December 2015) there seems to be a hole in your argument about Nissan moving investment. Sunderland is their most efficient and productive plant in the world. Being in the EU will come a distant second to that fact.

" see... now you are flat out lying... sorry to call you out like that but the hatachi rail factory in Newton Aycliffe in county durham was built in conjunction with money from the EU class 1 regeneration fund... (the north east being classed as class 1 as an area with the greatest need of help after other industries went away.....)

don't insult people's intelligence!"

Where exactly was I lying when I never even mentioned anything about funding of factories? And I have to say you are fundamentally wrong (I will not use your term 'lying') when you allege the Hitachi factory was built using EU Regional funds. It was not. It cost £82 Mn and was funded by Hitachi on the back of a £4.5 Bn contract from the UK and built using 'Merchant Place Developments' commercial site and facilities at Newton Aycliffe. No EU money was involved.

An apology will be accepted Old Son....

Hitachi manufacturing would never have come to the UK had we not given them a huge contract for new trains. FACT!

They did not build a factory and hire staff before any contracts were won. FACT!

They have not committed totally to the new factory as they also bought Ansaldo in Italy and the fleet of new GWR At300 trains are being built there not here in the UK as expected. FACT!

So as I say if Hitachi don't like us leaving the EU they can leave. I am sure Bombardier or CAF or Alstom will be happy to take over the contract and the factory and the 700 jobs. We are buying from abroad ONLY because we cannot build trains fast enough to meet UK demand. Now we are leaving the EU we can make any conditions we like on new contracts.

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By *an_WoodMan
over a year ago

Stafford

"Trump also wants a Wall

....and he'll get one if he becomes President.

Something else USA can pay for

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Trump also wants a Wall

....and he'll get one if he becomes President.

Something else USA can pay for

he's got the bricklayer vote though

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By *enard ArgenteMan
over a year ago

London and France

"Sigmar Gabriel, the German economy minister says that the US/EU trade talks have effectively failed.

So if they are lucky the US might now get the chance to talk to the UK. Depends on where they are in the queue I suppose

Correct, the USA - EU trade deal TTIP is dead in the water. Just another failure the EU can add to the ever growing list of things it has failed on.

Actually the " failure " of the TTIP talks is a success of the EU, which refused to accept the unequal terms that the US was offering . Interesting the the UK was one of the few nations which wanted to accept it.

And now the UK is desperately trying to do its " own TTIP" with the US; and is already offering to roll over and allow the US to do it on US terms. UK won't have the protection of the EU to protect it from US bullying.

Bearing in mind that the UK has already rolled over to the US on several contracts with the NHS.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Sigmar Gabriel, the German economy minister says that the US/EU trade talks have effectively failed.

So if they are lucky the US might now get the chance to talk to the UK. Depends on where they are in the queue I suppose

Correct, the USA - EU trade deal TTIP is dead in the water. Just another failure the EU can add to the ever growing list of things it has failed on.

Bearing in mind that the UK has already rolled over to the US on several contracts with the NHS."

offering to roll over? Where do you get these ideas? And I thought they weren't talking to us until they'd done deals with the EU and Asia

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Only in the world of the EU could a failure be classed as a success

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Sigmar Gabriel, the German economy minister says that the US/EU trade talks have effectively failed.

So if they are lucky the US might now get the chance to talk to the UK. Depends on where they are in the queue I suppose

Correct, the USA - EU trade deal TTIP is dead in the water. Just another failure the EU can add to the ever growing list of things it has failed on.

Bearing in mind that the UK has already rolled over to the US on several contracts with the NHS."

At least we make money out of trading with the USA unlike losing £61 Bn a year with the EU! Plus we are the USA's biggest inward investor (bigger than the whole of the EU) and they are the UK's biggest investor (bigger than the rest of the EU). Let alone the massive military commitment between us.

We share more and have more in common with the Americans and Canadians than any part of bloody Europe. I know you French helped them gain their Independence but they know who they can rely on when it comes to NATO and who is their best and often only ally in times of war. And it isn't anyone else in the EU. The 'Special Relationship' may not be the same as when we liberated Europe from Nazi domination but do not misunderstand just how close our relationship is with the USA. We argue but we are still old family.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Only in the world of the EU could a failure be classed as a success

Well they failed to keep their second largest contributor and second largest economy in the EU and they think that is something to brag about .....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Only in the world of the EU could a failure be classed as a success

Well they failed to keep their second largest contributor and second largest economy in the EU and they think that is something to brag about .....

exactly. Their failure to negotiate or pull out of something because they can't get the best or a better deal is not a success.

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By *enard ArgenteMan
over a year ago

London and France

" I know you French helped them gain their Independence but they know who they can rely on when it comes to NATO and who is their best and often only ally in times of war. And it isn't anyone else in the EU. The 'Special Relationship' may not be the same as when we liberated Europe from Nazi domination but do not misunderstand just how close our relationship is with the USA. We argue but we are still old family."

Which just goes to show how little you know about the US / France relationship;

The exceptionally close ties between US and France militarily ( as close as UK /US- I know because I have been involved in it with UK MOD - I am British as well as French), the key role And cooperation between France and US ( as well as with UK on nuclear weapons , the key role played by French forces in support of US operations, the high level of cooperation industrially and scientifically between US and France ( US is recruiting more French scientists and engineers than British).

The " special relationship is one thing, but Brits choose to ignore the special relationship that exists between US and France, or not even know it exists!

The French also keep the US on their toes, as they always play the unpredictability card; whereas the UK Can be relied on to dance to the US tune at any point.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Which just goes to show how little you know about the US / France relationship;

The " special relationship is one thing, but Brits choose to ignore the special relationship that exists between US and France, or not even know it exists!

The French also keep the US on their toes, as they always play the unpredictability card; whereas the UK Can be relied on to dance to the US tune at any point."

I have to say that is the first time I have seen being an unreliable ally called 'keeping them on their toes' and a reliable one called 'dancing to the US tune'. But hey what would I know ...

The British Civil war of course followed the demand for taxation after the defeat of France by the British in the Franco-Indian war. It always amuses me how France defeated Washington in that war and then a few years later is his ally. I think you need to read up on the relationship between France and the newly independent USA through the Napoleonic wars up to WWI. It does not make friendly reading for the French. And of course in the War of 1812 when the USA declared war on the UK (and then lost) France was conspicuous by it absence. I guess this is what you meant by 'keeping the USA on their toes'?

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over a year ago

Which just goes to show how little you know about the US / France relationship;

The " special relationship is one thing, but Brits choose to ignore the special relationship that exists between US and France, or not even know it exists!

The French also keep the US on their toes, as they always play the unpredictability card; whereas the UK Can be relied on to dance to the US tune at any point."

If the French leave the EU they might be able to do a deal to export garlic and onions direct the the US. Just a thought

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock

Which just goes to show how little you know about the US / France relationship;

The " special relationship is one thing, but Brits choose to ignore the special relationship that exists between US and France, or not even know it exists!

The French also keep the US on their toes, as they always play the unpredictability card; whereas the UK Can be relied on to dance to the US tune at any point.

If the French leave the EU they might be able to do a deal to export garlic and onions direct the the US. Just a thought

Nah, we all know the French dance to the tune of Brussels.

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over a year ago

Which just goes to show how little you know about the US / France relationship;

The " special relationship is one thing, but Brits choose to ignore the special relationship that exists between US and France, or not even know it exists!

The French also keep the US on their toes, as they always play the unpredictability card; whereas the UK Can be relied on to dance to the US tune at any point.

If the French leave the EU they might be able to do a deal to export garlic and onions direct the the US. Just a thought

Nah, we all know the French dance to the tune of Brussels.

....especially when they are told to cough up 50% more to cover the loss of our cash ...

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By *hocolateRodMan
over a year ago

London and over UK

Discuss?

You think we should bow to Japan, do as we are told??

where would we be now if we had done that during the period of 1939-1945?

we are going to be a nation that does not bow to other countries

and to put it politely - fuck Japan"

Excellent - then tell them to close their factories and take their jobs and money elsewhere! I mean, who are they to bring jobs and employment to the UK!

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By *hocolateRodMan
over a year ago

London and over UK

"Sigmar Gabriel, the German economy minister says that the US/EU trade talks have effectively failed.

So if they are lucky the US might now get the chance to talk to the UK. Depends on where they are in the queue I suppose

Correct, the USA - EU trade deal TTIP is dead in the water. Just another failure the EU can add to the ever growing list of things it has failed on.

Bearing in mind that the UK has already rolled over to the US on several contracts with the NHS.

There is no special relationship - that is cheap words to fool little Englanders who don't understand how the real world works. REmmeber the US bankrupted the UK after the war to dismantle the British empire. They are uber realists.

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By *hocolateRodMan
over a year ago

London and over UK

"Sigmar Gabriel, the German economy minister says that the US/EU trade talks have effectively failed.

So if they are lucky the US might now get the chance to talk to the UK. Depends on where they are in the queue I suppose

Correct, the USA - EU trade deal TTIP is dead in the water. Just another failure the EU can add to the ever growing list of things it has failed on.

Bearing in mind that the UK has already rolled over to the US on several contracts with the NHS."

Well said - big countries bully small countries -

If you don't like it - move to another planet.

Wait until we do a trade deal with the US. They care more about US jobs than British jobs

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By *hocolateRodMan
over a year ago

London and over UK

"Sigmar Gabriel, the German economy minister says that the US/EU trade talks have effectively failed.

So if they are lucky the US might now get the chance to talk to the UK. Depends on where they are in the queue I suppose

Correct, the USA - EU trade deal TTIP is dead in the water. Just another failure the EU can add to the ever growing list of things it has failed on.

What drivel - I love the fact you think we are going to get good trade terms with the US. We need the Us more than they need us. They will make sure the trade terms reflect that. If we have export industry that means more US jobs are lost - then they will block that industry. That's the way the world works. Do you think Nigeria gets good trade terms with the US?

Oh i forgot, they are our friends.

In the real world, there are no friends.

A lesson the Brexit buffoons are about to find out!

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By *hocolateRodMan
over a year ago

London and over UK

Discuss?

But the report from the Japanese Foreign Ministry (not the PM) does not 'lecture' and neither would the Japanese culture seek such a thing. Can I quote:

"Japan respects the will of the British people as demonstrated in the

referendum, and is keenly monitoring the actions of the British Government.

We also admire the way in which the EU has responded to the outcome of the

referendum in a quick and calm manner. Although the negotiations are sure to

encounter difficulties from time to time, Japan has no doubt that the UK and the EU will overcome such difficulties and lay the foundations for the creation of a new Europe."

You can read the full report in the Hyperlink in the 2nd paragraph in the BBC piece here:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-37270372

What Japan wants is what we want and indeed what the majority of German industry wants. All they have to do is get the EU politicians in line ...

Err... You do realise in a divorce with the EU - we will be told what to do!

I love the hot air - there will be lots of threats from other countries now. ITs in their interest to threaten us. That's the "real world". You can huff and puff all you like - no one cares!

I mean lets have free trade in agriculture! That would wipe out most of British farming. Since farming is labour intensive and most developing nations have cheap labour. I look forward to you explaining to the British farmers that free trade meant they lost sales.

Just as we protect the British farmers with tariffs, so they will protect EU industries against British industry. That is "their interest"

I look forward to all those people who voted to leave the EU single market losing their job while we transition to taking our country back!

I mean it's only fair those who voted for BRexit taking the consequences themselves personally!

Also you may want to watch out for inflation. It's coming soon to a town near you!

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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago

Cambridge

I think some of them are already planning on moving to Spain!

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By *tillup4funMan
over a year ago

Wakefield

Discuss?

But the report from the Japanese Foreign Ministry (not the PM) does not 'lecture' and neither would the Japanese culture seek such a thing. Can I quote:

"Japan respects the will of the British people as demonstrated in the

referendum, and is keenly monitoring the actions of the British Government.

We also admire the way in which the EU has responded to the outcome of the

referendum in a quick and calm manner. Although the negotiations are sure to

encounter difficulties from time to time, Japan has no doubt that the UK and the EU will overcome such difficulties and lay the foundations for the creation of a new Europe."

You can read the full report in the Hyperlink in the 2nd paragraph in the BBC piece here:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-37270372

What Japan wants is what we want and indeed what the majority of German industry wants. All they have to do is get the EU politicians in line ...

Err... You do realise in a divorce with the EU - we will be told what to do!

I love the hot air - there will be lots of threats from other countries now. ITs in their interest to threaten us. That's the "real world". You can huff and puff all you like - no one cares!

Just as we protect the British farmers with tariffs, so they will protect EU industries against British industry. That is "their interest"

I look forward to all those people who voted to leave the EU single market losing their job while we transition to taking our country back!

I mean it's only fair those who voted for BRexit taking the consequences themselves personally!

Also you may want to watch out for inflation. It's coming soon to a town near you!"

And how are you going to do that when no one put their name on the ballot paper, I think most people know its not going to be easy and we may have it bad for a few years but we will survive

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock

"I think some of them are already planning on moving to Spain! "

Not Honda, it was in the newspapers today they are going to make a multi million pound investment into a post Brexit UK.

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By *tillup4funMan
over a year ago

Wakefield

"I think some of them are already planning on moving to Spain!

Not Honda, it was in the newspapers today they are going to make a multi million pound investment into a post Brexit UK.

Maybe they hav,nt heard about Brexit yet.

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By *enard ArgenteMan
over a year ago

London and France

"I think some of them are already planning on moving to Spain!

Not Honda, it was in the newspapers today they are going to make a multi million pound investment into a post Brexit UK.

Maybe they hav,nt heard about Brexit yet.

They are just reorganizing their worldwide factory set ups; each factory will make just one car model.

The Swindon factory is at about 50% utilization. I think it's going to make the new accord.

Canada will make the new RAV ( I think) and so on.

Honda don't sell much in The EU ( except in UK), unlike Nissan, you seldom see Honda cars in the EU mainland, so they are not too fussed about BREXIT.

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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago

Cambridge

"I think some of them are already planning on moving to Spain!

Not Honda, it was in the newspapers today they are going to make a multi million pound investment into a post Brexit UK.

I was talking about some of the people who voted for Brexit!

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over a year ago

"I think some of them are already planning on moving to Spain!

Not Honda, it was in the newspapers today they are going to make a multi million pound investment into a post Brexit UK.

I was talking about some of the people who voted for Brexit! "

they are probably the ones who want to see the end of the EU and the Euro for the betterment of the whole of Europe not just the UK

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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago

Cambridge

"I think some of them are already planning on moving to Spain!

Not Honda, it was in the newspapers today they are going to make a multi million pound investment into a post Brexit UK.

I was talking about some of the people who voted for Brexit!

they are probably the ones who want to see the end of the EU and the Euro for the betterment of the whole of Europe not just the UK

I was thinking that they were hypocrits who want free movement for themselves, but not for others, and are happy to bugger up one country and then leave. I don't really understand why someone who vote to leave the EU, and then chose to go an live in an EU country.

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over a year ago

"I think some of them are already planning on moving to Spain!

Not Honda, it was in the newspapers today they are going to make a multi million pound investment into a post Brexit UK.

I was talking about some of the people who voted for Brexit!

they are probably the ones who want to see the end of the EU and the Euro for the betterment of the whole of Europe not just the UK

That's because you don't really understand much at all. And especially the movement of people. Hypocrites? Aren't they people like you and the supporters of the EU who want free movement of people but only as long as you are a member of the EU?

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By *tillup4funMan
over a year ago

Wakefield

"I think some of them are already planning on moving to Spain!

Not Honda, it was in the newspapers today they are going to make a multi million pound investment into a post Brexit UK.

I was talking about some of the people who voted for Brexit!

they are probably the ones who want to see the end of the EU and the Euro for the betterment of the whole of Europe not just the UK

Ok how many people do you know personally that vote leave that are moving to Spain or any other EU country?

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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago

Cambridge

"I think some of them are already planning on moving to Spain!

Not Honda, it was in the newspapers today they are going to make a multi million pound investment into a post Brexit UK.

I was talking about some of the people who voted for Brexit!

they are probably the ones who want to see the end of the EU and the Euro for the betterment of the whole of Europe not just the UK

Ok how many people do you know personally that vote leave that are moving to Spain or any other EU country?"

CandM4U, but I dont know them personally.

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By *tillup4funMan
over a year ago

Wakefield

"I think some of them are already planning on moving to Spain!

Not Honda, it was in the newspapers today they are going to make a multi million pound investment into a post Brexit UK.

I was talking about some of the people who voted for Brexit!

they are probably the ones who want to see the end of the EU and the Euro for the betterment of the whole of Europe not just the UK

Ok how many people do you know personally that vote leave that are moving to Spain or any other EU country?

CandM4U, but I dont know them personally."

So one couple and your shouting the odds, they may well have been planning it for years long before the referendum was announced.

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over a year ago

"I think some of them are already planning on moving to Spain!

Not Honda, it was in the newspapers today they are going to make a multi million pound investment into a post Brexit UK.

I was talking about some of the people who voted for Brexit!

they are probably the ones who want to see the end of the EU and the Euro for the betterment of the whole of Europe not just the UK

Ok how many people do you know personally that vote leave that are moving to Spain or any other EU country?

CandM4U, but I dont know them personally.

So one couple and your shouting the odds, they may well have been planning it for years long before the referendum was announced."

True. Had a home there for years

The thing is the argument or problem if you like is not free movement of people, I am sure most Brexiters would welcome people who come to the UK to spend their retirement funds os start businesses and create employment or bring skills which are needed, it is the movement of cheap labour which keeps wages down, stretches services, exploits immigrants and does nothing to help the countries they come from. It has to be controlled. And the hypocrisy is that the EU already does this

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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago

Cambridge

"I think some of them are already planning on moving to Spain!

Not Honda, it was in the newspapers today they are going to make a multi million pound investment into a post Brexit UK.

I was talking about some of the people who voted for Brexit!

they are probably the ones who want to see the end of the EU and the Euro for the betterment of the whole of Europe not just the UK

Ok how many people do you know personally that vote leave that are moving to Spain or any other EU country?

CandM4U, but I dont know them personally.

So one couple and your shouting the odds, they may well have been planning it for years long before the referendum was announced.

True. Had a home there for years

You believe in free movement for you, but not for everyone else.

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By *tillup4funMan
over a year ago

Wakefield

"I think some of them are already planning on moving to Spain!

Not Honda, it was in the newspapers today they are going to make a multi million pound investment into a post Brexit UK.

I was talking about some of the people who voted for Brexit!

they are probably the ones who want to see the end of the EU and the Euro for the betterment of the whole of Europe not just the UK

Ok how many people do you know personally that vote leave that are moving to Spain or any other EU country?

CandM4U, but I dont know them personally.

So one couple and your shouting the odds, they may well have been planning it for years long before the referendum was announced.

True. Had a home there for years

The EU are sending 200 more border guards to the Bulgarian border seems they only want free movement of people for EU residents

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over a year ago

"I think some of them are already planning on moving to Spain!

Not Honda, it was in the newspapers today they are going to make a multi million pound investment into a post Brexit UK.

I was talking about some of the people who voted for Brexit!

they are probably the ones who want to see the end of the EU and the Euro for the betterment of the whole of Europe not just the UK

Ok how many people do you know personally that vote leave that are moving to Spain or any other EU country?

CandM4U, but I dont know them personally.

So one couple and your shouting the odds, they may well have been planning it for years long before the referendum was announced.

True. Had a home there for years

The EU are sending 200 more border guards to the Bulgarian border seems they only want free movement of people for EU residents "

thats what I mean. If the EU was a country they are just doing what the UK wants to do

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By *tillup4funMan
over a year ago

Wakefield

"I think some of them are already planning on moving to Spain!

Not Honda, it was in the newspapers today they are going to make a multi million pound investment into a post Brexit UK.

I was talking about some of the people who voted for Brexit!

they are probably the ones who want to see the end of the EU and the Euro for the betterment of the whole of Europe not just the UK

Ok how many people do you know personally that vote leave that are moving to Spain or any other EU country?

CandM4U, but I dont know them personally.

So one couple and your shouting the odds, they may well have been planning it for years long before the referendum was announced.

True. Had a home there for years

The EU are sending 200 more border guards to the Bulgarian border seems they only want free movement of people for EU residents

thats what I mean. If the EU was a country they are just doing what the UK wants to do"

The Remainers cant see this and EU elite are threatening to be very hard on Brexit talks that will only make UK more determined to leave.

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over a year ago

"I think some of them are already planning on moving to Spain!

Not Honda, it was in the newspapers today they are going to make a multi million pound investment into a post Brexit UK.

I was talking about some of the people who voted for Brexit!

they are probably the ones who want to see the end of the EU and the Euro for the betterment of the whole of Europe not just the UK

Ok how many people do you know personally that vote leave that are moving to Spain or any other EU country?

CandM4U, but I dont know them personally.

So one couple and your shouting the odds, they may well have been planning it for years long before the referendum was announced.

True. Had a home there for years

You believe in free movement for you, but not for everyone else."

Nope. See above.

So when we leave the EU what will stop you from living and/or working in one of their countries?

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By *tillup4funMan
over a year ago

Wakefield

"I think some of them are already planning on moving to Spain!

Not Honda, it was in the newspapers today they are going to make a multi million pound investment into a post Brexit UK.

I was talking about some of the people who voted for Brexit!

they are probably the ones who want to see the end of the EU and the Euro for the betterment of the whole of Europe not just the UK

Ok how many people do you know personally that vote leave that are moving to Spain or any other EU country?

CandM4U, but I dont know them personally.

So one couple and your shouting the odds, they may well have been planning it for years long before the referendum was announced.

True. Had a home there for years

You believe in free movement for you, but not for everyone else.

Nope. See above.

So when we leave the EU what will stop you from living and/or working in one of their countries?"

They,ll have to get a visa how sad.

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By *otlovefun42Couple
over a year ago

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"I think some of them are already planning on moving to Spain!

Not Honda, it was in the newspapers today they are going to make a multi million pound investment into a post Brexit UK.

I was talking about some of the people who voted for Brexit!

they are probably the ones who want to see the end of the EU and the Euro for the betterment of the whole of Europe not just the UK

Ok how many people do you know personally that vote leave that are moving to Spain or any other EU country?

CandM4U, but I dont know them personally.

So one couple and your shouting the odds, they may well have been planning it for years long before the referendum was announced.

True. Had a home there for years

You believe in free movement for you, but not for everyone else.

Nope. See above.

So when we leave the EU what will stop you from living and/or working in one of their countries?

They,ll have to get a visa how sad."

Lol pmsl. The great visa myth.

This is just one of the red herring scare stories being put out by Brussels before negotiations start.

It can be easily nipped in the bud though.

All it needs is the foreign office to call in the Spanish ambassador and ask him what the environmental effect of the Benidorm hotel demolition plan would be. Job done.

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over a year ago

Costa Blanca Spain...

"I think some of them are already planning on moving to Spain!

Not Honda, it was in the newspapers today they are going to make a multi million pound investment into a post Brexit UK.

I was talking about some of the people who voted for Brexit!

they are probably the ones who want to see the end of the EU and the Euro for the betterment of the whole of Europe not just the UK

Ok how many people do you know personally that vote leave that are moving to Spain or any other EU country?

CandM4U, but I dont know them personally.

So one couple and your shouting the odds, they may well have been planning it for years long before the referendum was announced.

True. Had a home there for years

You believe in free movement for you, but not for everyone else."

Yes I sure do. Because when I see the scumbags and thugs that are attacking trucks and cars in and around Calais I would be more than happy to see the whole lot of them deported back to wherever they came from.

These criminals and gangsters should not be allowed anywhere near a civilised country.

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"I think some of them are already planning on moving to Spain!

Not Honda, it was in the newspapers today they are going to make a multi million pound investment into a post Brexit UK.

I was talking about some of the people who voted for Brexit!

they are probably the ones who want to see the end of the EU and the Euro for the betterment of the whole of Europe not just the UK

Ok how many people do you know personally that vote leave that are moving to Spain or any other EU country?

CandM4U, but I dont know them personally.

So one couple and your shouting the odds, they may well have been planning it for years long before the referendum was announced.

True. Had a home there for years

You believe in free movement for you, but not for everyone else.

Nope. See above.

So when we leave the EU what will stop you from living and/or working in one of their countries?

They,ll have to get a visa how sad.

Lol pmsl. The great visa myth.

This is just one of the red herring scare stories being put out by Brussels before negotiations start.

It can be easily nipped in the bud though.

All it needs is the foreign office to call in the Spanish ambassador and ask him what the environmental effect of the Benidorm hotel demolition plan would be. Job done."

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over a year ago

"Why did a Japanese company buy ARM after the referendum?

Do some research it's not about slowing Japanese investment, its about long established businesses here wishing for a deal which will continue to allow them to grow and expand, rather than contract.

Not being funny but ARM would struggle to establish production centres and therefore jobs, in places where toyota have production lines.

Why does Japan import Toyota cars from Derby?"

Simple.....they drive on the same side of the road that we do!

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By *tillup4funMan
over a year ago

Wakefield

"I think some of them are already planning on moving to Spain!

Not Honda, it was in the newspapers today they are going to make a multi million pound investment into a post Brexit UK.

I was talking about some of the people who voted for Brexit!

they are probably the ones who want to see the end of the EU and the Euro for the betterment of the whole of Europe not just the UK

Ok how many people do you know personally that vote leave that are moving to Spain or any other EU country?

CandM4U, but I dont know them personally.

So one couple and your shouting the odds, they may well have been planning it for years long before the referendum was announced.

True. Had a home there for years

You believe in free movement for you, but not for everyone else.

Nope. See above.

So when we leave the EU what will stop you from living and/or working in one of their countries?

They,ll have to get a visa how sad.

Lol pmsl. The great visa myth.

This is just one of the red herring scare stories being put out by Brussels before negotiations start.

It can be easily nipped in the bud though.

All it needs is the foreign office to call in the Spanish ambassador and ask him what the environmental effect of the Benidorm hotel demolition plan would be. Job done."

Yeah I know but the Remoaners don't get it its too complicated.

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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago

Cambridge

"I think some of them are already planning on moving to Spain!

Not Honda, it was in the newspapers today they are going to make a multi million pound investment into a post Brexit UK.

I was talking about some of the people who voted for Brexit!

they are probably the ones who want to see the end of the EU and the Euro for the betterment of the whole of Europe not just the UK

Ok how many people do you know personally that vote leave that are moving to Spain or any other EU country?

CandM4U, but I dont know them personally.

So one couple and your shouting the odds, they may well have been planning it for years long before the referendum was announced.

True. Had a home there for years

You believe in free movement for you, but not for everyone else.

Nope. See above.

So when we leave the EU what will stop you from living and/or working in one of their countries?

They,ll have to get a visa how sad.

Lol pmsl. The great visa myth.

This is just one of the red herring scare stories being put out by Brussels before negotiations start.

It can be easily nipped in the bud though.

All it needs is the foreign office to call in the Spanish ambassador and ask him what the environmental effect of the Benidorm hotel demolition plan would be. Job done."

Maybe you want to make a prediction on the likelihood of UK citizens requiring a visa to visit the EU on the Brier Score thread?

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over a year ago

Very little would be my guess, criminals managed to flee to Spain in the 60s without having to put in visa applications and wait weeks for the government to approve?.

You can go on holiday to pretty much any g20 country without worrying about visas!.

Now working is a different matter all together

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By *otlovefun42Couple
over a year ago

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"I think some of them are already planning on moving to Spain!

Not Honda, it was in the newspapers today they are going to make a multi million pound investment into a post Brexit UK.

I was talking about some of the people who voted for Brexit!

they are probably the ones who want to see the end of the EU and the Euro for the betterment of the whole of Europe not just the UK

Ok how many people do you know personally that vote leave that are moving to Spain or any other EU country?

CandM4U, but I dont know them personally.

So one couple and your shouting the odds, they may well have been planning it for years long before the referendum was announced.

True. Had a home there for years

You believe in free movement for you, but not for everyone else.

Nope. See above.

So when we leave the EU what will stop you from living and/or working in one of their countries?

They,ll have to get a visa how sad.

Lol pmsl. The great visa myth.

This is just one of the red herring scare stories being put out by Brussels before negotiations start.

It can be easily nipped in the bud though.

All it needs is the foreign office to call in the Spanish ambassador and ask him what the environmental effect of the Benidorm hotel demolition plan would be. Job done.

Maybe you want to make a prediction on the likelihood of UK citizens requiring a visa to visit the EU on the Brier Score thread? "

Brer Rabbit? I remember that story from when I was a kid.

I think I read it in Spain when you could travel there with a flimsy bit of cardboard from the post office in the days before free movement.

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over a year ago

What is wrong with requiring a visa, a good way of immigration control, it works well in USA and easy to access

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By *enard ArgenteMan
over a year ago

London and France

"What is wrong with requiring a visa, a good way of immigration control, it works well in USA and easy to access"

Like all countries, ( or blocs) there is an option for them to require visas for entry;

Many non-EU nationals require visas to enter EU countries. So what?

When UK leaves the EU, then you will be just like any other non-EU country ( which is what you wanted) so you may need visas.

Simple.

Anyone who is not a citizen of an EU country also needs a residence permit to live for an extended period there ( eg Carte de Sejour in France) . Either a temporary one or permanent one.

So nothing is new.

It's not "the EU attacking UK"; it's just a statement of fact, which reflects the fact that the UK will no longer be part of the EU, and will have the same terms as any other non EU country.

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over a year ago

"What is wrong with requiring a visa, a good way of immigration control, it works well in USA and easy to access

Like all countries, ( or blocs) there is an option for them to require visas for entry;

Many non-EU nationals require visas to enter EU countries. So what?

When UK leaves the EU, then you will be just like any other non-EU country ( which is what you wanted) so you may need visas.

Simple.

Anyone who is not a citizen of an EU country also needs a residence permit to live for an extended period there ( eg Carte de Sejour in France) . Either a temporary one or permanent one.

So nothing is new.

It's not "the EU attacking UK"; it's just a statement of fact, which reflects the fact that the UK will no longer be part of the EU, and will have the same terms as any other non EU country.

Exactly;

and what is the problem with this? there isn't one, any law abiding citizen of the UK should have no problem obtaining one same as when you travel outside EU just now whether it be USA, Australia or other location.

I cannot understand why obtaining a visa is such a problem or concern for so many people

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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago

Cambridge

"What is wrong with requiring a visa, a good way of immigration control, it works well in USA and easy to access

Like all countries, ( or blocs) there is an option for them to require visas for entry;

Many non-EU nationals require visas to enter EU countries. So what?

When UK leaves the EU, then you will be just like any other non-EU country ( which is what you wanted) so you may need visas.

Simple.

Anyone who is not a citizen of an EU country also needs a residence permit to live for an extended period there ( eg Carte de Sejour in France) . Either a temporary one or permanent one.

So nothing is new.

It's not "the EU attacking UK"; it's just a statement of fact, which reflects the fact that the UK will no longer be part of the EU, and will have the same terms as any other non EU country.

Exactly;

I cannot understand why obtaining a visa is such a problem or concern for so many people "

Firstly because it is the loss of a right, since I was born I have had the right to live and work in any EU country, now that right will be stripped away. To me it no different to if someone said "you can't decide if you can live and work in Wales, the government can decide". Most people don't like to have their rights taken away from them.

Secondly is a pain in the arse, and can be expensive to apply for visas, both of which are completely unnecessary. As I assume we will also expect the same for EU citizens coming to the UK, that will impact on tourism. Whether or not the £ regains its value against the € or not will also have a big impact on tourism.

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By *enard ArgenteMan
over a year ago

London and France

"What is wrong with requiring a visa, a good way of immigration control, it works well in USA and easy to access

Like all countries, ( or blocs) there is an option for them to require visas for entry;

Many non-EU nationals require visas to enter EU countries. So what?

When UK leaves the EU, then you will be just like any other non-EU country ( which is what you wanted) so you may need visas.

Simple.

Anyone who is not a citizen of an EU country also needs a residence permit to live for an extended period there ( eg Carte de Sejour in France) . Either a temporary one or permanent one.

So nothing is new.

It's not "the EU attacking UK"; it's just a statement of fact, which reflects the fact that the UK will no longer be part of the EU, and will have the same terms as any other non EU country.

Exactly;

I cannot understand why obtaining a visa is such a problem or concern for so many people

I agree; it was a right ; but the UK has democratically ( do they keep insisting) to leave the EU. It was ( I am told) the overwhelming " will of the people"

Those people who voted out ( this overwhelming majority, ) did, of course, understand exactly all the implications of leaving the EU, after all that's why they voted out, right?

( after all who could possibly imagine that people voted out, simply on emotion, or - God forbid- misinformation)

If people didn't want to lose the right to live and work and travel freely in the EU, then they would have voted to stay in.

They obviously considered it carefully and the "overwhelming majority" democratically decided they didn't want that.

Tough

Live with it, or do something about it.

The German word is schadenfreude....

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over a year ago

"What is wrong with requiring a visa, a good way of immigration control, it works well in USA and easy to access

Like all countries, ( or blocs) there is an option for them to require visas for entry;

Many non-EU nationals require visas to enter EU countries. So what?

When UK leaves the EU, then you will be just like any other non-EU country ( which is what you wanted) so you may need visas.

Simple.

Anyone who is not a citizen of an EU country also needs a residence permit to live for an extended period there ( eg Carte de Sejour in France) . Either a temporary one or permanent one.

So nothing is new.

It's not "the EU attacking UK"; it's just a statement of fact, which reflects the fact that the UK will no longer be part of the EU, and will have the same terms as any other non EU country.

Exactly;

I cannot understand why obtaining a visa is such a problem or concern for so many people

I agree; it was a right ; but the UK has democratically ( do they keep insisting) to leave the EU. It was ( I am told) the overwhelming " will of the people"

Those people who voted out ( this overwhelming majority, ) did, of course, understand exactly all the implications of leaving the EU, after all that's why they voted out, right?

( after all who could possibly imagine that people voted out, simply on emotion, or - God forbid- misinformation)

If people didn't want to lose the right to live and work and travel freely in the EU, then they would have voted to stay in.

They obviously considered it carefully and the "overwhelming majority" democratically decided they didn't want that.

Tough

Live with it, or do something about it.

The German word is schadenfreude....

What rights do you have in say Spain or France now if after 3 months you have not found a job and you have no money left?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

There's no visa required for a holiday in the UK if your from USA, Canada, Chile, Argentina, Japan, Australia, Mexico, south Africa, Brazil, new Zealand... Anywhere small like Mauritius, Maldives, Brunei....

I think but don't quote me visas for holidaying apply to countries like China, India, Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria, central Africa, Russia... Etc etc.

If your an Israeli and you hold a full passport you won't need a visa, if you don't you will... That should give you an idea about how visas apply for people wishing to holiday in the UK

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over a year ago

"tne same as when you travel outside EU just now whether it be USA, Australia or other location.

I cannot understand why obtaining a visa is such a problem or concern for so many people "
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I just had a quick look, no visa is required for a holiday in the USA.

The UK is part of the visa waving countries.

You apply for a etsc? 14 dollars online form takes according to the website 6 minutes to fill in, you get a response within 24 hours and once approved lasts 2 years

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By *enard ArgenteMan
over a year ago

London and France

"What is wrong with requiring a visa, a good way of immigration control, it works well in USA and easy to access

Like all countries, ( or blocs) there is an option for them to require visas for entry;

Many non-EU nationals require visas to enter EU countries. So what?

When UK leaves the EU, then you will be just like any other non-EU country ( which is what you wanted) so you may need visas.

Simple.

Anyone who is not a citizen of an EU country also needs a residence permit to live for an extended period there ( eg Carte de Sejour in France) . Either a temporary one or permanent one.

So nothing is new.

It's not "the EU attacking UK"; it's just a statement of fact, which reflects the fact that the UK will no longer be part of the EU, and will have the same terms as any other non EU country.

Exactly;

I cannot understand why obtaining a visa is such a problem or concern for so many people

I agree; it was a right ; but the UK has democratically ( do they keep insisting) to leave the EU. It was ( I am told) the overwhelming " will of the people"

Those people who voted out ( this overwhelming majority, ) did, of course, understand exactly all the implications of leaving the EU, after all that's why they voted out, right?

( after all who could possibly imagine that people voted out, simply on emotion, or - God forbid- misinformation)

If people didn't want to lose the right to live and work and travel freely in the EU, then they would have voted to stay in.

They obviously considered it carefully and the "overwhelming majority" democratically decided they didn't want that.

Tough

Live with it, or do something about it.

The German word is schadenfreude....

What rights do you have in say Spain or France now if after 3 months you have not found a job and you have no money left?"

As a citizen of an EU country, after 3 months residence, you can apply to join the social security and health system. That requires you to have registered in the first place as looking for work ( or been employed and lost your job).

That's France, should be the same for Spain , but I don't know as I don't live in Spain .

I don't work; but I can support myself, and pay social security and tax in France.

After BREXIT, Brits will be the same as other non-EU nationals; will require a carte de sejour ;( residence card - renewable every year) and visa; will have to make their own health and social security arrangements ; if they are employed; or self employed, or have an income, they can apply to join the social snd health system, but will have to pay social charges ( national insurance equivalent) and tax. This must be renewed every year. ( 6 months for some nationalities)

After 5 years of continuous residence, they can apply to join " permanently", have a 5 year carte de sejour, and apply for nationality if they wish. Different EU nations have different rules for nationality.

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over a year ago

"What is wrong with requiring a visa, a good way of immigration control, it works well in USA and easy to access

Like all countries, ( or blocs) there is an option for them to require visas for entry;

Many non-EU nationals require visas to enter EU countries. So what?

When UK leaves the EU, then you will be just like any other non-EU country ( which is what you wanted) so you may need visas.

Simple.

Anyone who is not a citizen of an EU country also needs a residence permit to live for an extended period there ( eg Carte de Sejour in France) . Either a temporary one or permanent one.

So nothing is new.

It's not "the EU attacking UK"; it's just a statement of fact, which reflects the fact that the UK will no longer be part of the EU, and will have the same terms as any other non EU country.

Exactly;

I cannot understand why obtaining a visa is such a problem or concern for so many people

I agree; it was a right ; but the UK has democratically ( do they keep insisting) to leave the EU. It was ( I am told) the overwhelming " will of the people"

Those people who voted out ( this overwhelming majority, ) did, of course, understand exactly all the implications of leaving the EU, after all that's why they voted out, right?

( after all who could possibly imagine that people voted out, simply on emotion, or - God forbid- misinformation)

If people didn't want to lose the right to live and work and travel freely in the EU, then they would have voted to stay in.

They obviously considered it carefully and the "overwhelming majority" democratically decided they didn't want that.

Tough

Live with it, or do something about it.

The German word is schadenfreude....

What rights do you have in say Spain or France now if after 3 months you have not found a job and you have no money left?

That's France, should be the same for Spain , but I don't know as I don't live in Spain .

I don't work; but I can support myself, and pay social security and tax in France.

So after 3 months in France I can sit on the dole, get my rent paid and not worry about healthcare? Really? Cool, I'm coming over

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By *enard ArgenteMan
over a year ago

London and France

"What is wrong with requiring a visa, a good way of immigration control, it works well in USA and easy to access

Like all countries, ( or blocs) there is an option for them to require visas for entry;

Many non-EU nationals require visas to enter EU countries. So what?

When UK leaves the EU, then you will be just like any other non-EU country ( which is what you wanted) so you may need visas.

Simple.

Anyone who is not a citizen of an EU country also needs a residence permit to live for an extended period there ( eg Carte de Sejour in France) . Either a temporary one or permanent one.

So nothing is new.

It's not "the EU attacking UK"; it's just a statement of fact, which reflects the fact that the UK will no longer be part of the EU, and will have the same terms as any other non EU country.

Exactly;

I cannot understand why obtaining a visa is such a problem or concern for so many people

I agree; it was a right ; but the UK has democratically ( do they keep insisting) to leave the EU. It was ( I am told) the overwhelming " will of the people"

Those people who voted out ( this overwhelming majority, ) did, of course, understand exactly all the implications of leaving the EU, after all that's why they voted out, right?

( after all who could possibly imagine that people voted out, simply on emotion, or - God forbid- misinformation)

If people didn't want to lose the right to live and work and travel freely in the EU, then they would have voted to stay in.

They obviously considered it carefully and the "overwhelming majority" democratically decided they didn't want that.

Tough

Live with it, or do something about it.

The German word is schadenfreude....

What rights do you have in say Spain or France now if after 3 months you have not found a job and you have no money left?

That's France, should be the same for Spain , but I don't know as I don't live in Spain .

I don't work; but I can support myself, and pay social security and tax in France.

So after 3 months in France I can sit on the dole, get my rent paid and not worry about healthcare? Really? Cool, I'm coming over

No: after 3 months proven residence you can apply;

You must have a residence ( you have to sort out renting or buying it yourself, You pay your rent, register looking for work, register for local taxation ( council tax equivalent; ) attend the employment centre( and accept jobs if offered),

Jump through several other hoops; and if accepted, you may start recieving allowances.

It's a lot more difficult than in UK. You will be required to attend a medical too.

When you are employed , depending on your pay, you are expected to pay back an element of your "dole".

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over a year ago

"What is wrong with requiring a visa, a good way of immigration control, it works well in USA and easy to access

Like all countries, ( or blocs) there is an option for them to require visas for entry;

Many non-EU nationals require visas to enter EU countries. So what?

When UK leaves the EU, then you will be just like any other non-EU country ( which is what you wanted) so you may need visas.

Simple.

Anyone who is not a citizen of an EU country also needs a residence permit to live for an extended period there ( eg Carte de Sejour in France) . Either a temporary one or permanent one.

So nothing is new.

It's not "the EU attacking UK"; it's just a statement of fact, which reflects the fact that the UK will no longer be part of the EU, and will have the same terms as any other non EU country.

Exactly;

I cannot understand why obtaining a visa is such a problem or concern for so many people

I agree; it was a right ; but the UK has democratically ( do they keep insisting) to leave the EU. It was ( I am told) the overwhelming " will of the people"

Those people who voted out ( this overwhelming majority, ) did, of course, understand exactly all the implications of leaving the EU, after all that's why they voted out, right?

( after all who could possibly imagine that people voted out, simply on emotion, or - God forbid- misinformation)

If people didn't want to lose the right to live and work and travel freely in the EU, then they would have voted to stay in.

They obviously considered it carefully and the "overwhelming majority" democratically decided they didn't want that.

Tough

Live with it, or do something about it.

The German word is schadenfreude....

What rights do you have in say Spain or France now if after 3 months you have not found a job and you have no money left?

That's France, should be the same for Spain , but I don't know as I don't live in Spain .

I don't work; but I can support myself, and pay social security and tax in France.

So after 3 months in France I can sit on the dole, get my rent paid and not worry about healthcare? Really? Cool, I'm coming over

No: after 3 months proven residence you can apply;

Jump through several other hoops; and if accepted, you may start recieving allowances.

It's a lot more difficult than in UK. You will be required to attend a medical too.

When you are employed , depending on your pay, you are expected to pay back an element of your "dole".

So this free movement/right to live/work shite is not quite as free and easy as it sounds is it and leaving the EU won't make much difference

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By *isandreTV/TS
over a year ago

Durham

It didn't take the Japanese long to come up with some actual brexit aims to negotiate for. Fuck me they have a strategy.

How utterly incompetent are the Brexiters and what does that say about the intelligence of those who fell for their clap trap?

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By *enard ArgenteMan
over a year ago

London and France

"What is wrong with requiring a visa, a good way of immigration control, it works well in USA and easy to access

Like all countries, ( or blocs) there is an option for them to require visas for entry;

Many non-EU nationals require visas to enter EU countries. So what?

When UK leaves the EU, then you will be just like any other non-EU country ( which is what you wanted) so you may need visas.

Simple.

Anyone who is not a citizen of an EU country also needs a residence permit to live for an extended period there ( eg Carte de Sejour in France) . Either a temporary one or permanent one.

So nothing is new.

It's not "the EU attacking UK"; it's just a statement of fact, which reflects the fact that the UK will no longer be part of the EU, and will have the same terms as any other non EU country.

Exactly;

I cannot understand why obtaining a visa is such a problem or concern for so many people

I agree; it was a right ; but the UK has democratically ( do they keep insisting) to leave the EU. It was ( I am told) the overwhelming " will of the people"

Those people who voted out ( this overwhelming majority, ) did, of course, understand exactly all the implications of leaving the EU, after all that's why they voted out, right?

( after all who could possibly imagine that people voted out, simply on emotion, or - God forbid- misinformation)

If people didn't want to lose the right to live and work and travel freely in the EU, then they would have voted to stay in.

They obviously considered it carefully and the "overwhelming majority" democratically decided they didn't want that.

Tough

Live with it, or do something about it.

The German word is schadenfreude....

What rights do you have in say Spain or France now if after 3 months you have not found a job and you have no money left?

That's France, should be the same for Spain , but I don't know as I don't live in Spain .

I don't work; but I can support myself, and pay social security and tax in France.

So after 3 months in France I can sit on the dole, get my rent paid and not worry about healthcare? Really? Cool, I'm coming over

No: after 3 months proven residence you can apply;

Jump through several other hoops; and if accepted, you may start recieving allowances.

It's a lot more difficult than in UK. You will be required to attend a medical too.

When you are employed , depending on your pay, you are expected to pay back an element of your "dole".

So this free movement/right to live/work shite is not quite as free and easy as it sounds is it and leaving the EU won't make much difference"

Yeo; You are as free as you like; you have the right to move to a country in the EU and take up employment as you see fit, and travel with with no barriers ( though as UK is not in Schenghen, UK nationals need passports to cross borders ; but in order to qualify for allowances, etc, you have to fulfill certain conditions.

Most EU countries make the terms and conditions sensible ( as per EU laws) ; the UK makes it too easy.

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over a year ago

"What is wrong with requiring a visa, a good way of immigration control, it works well in USA and easy to access

Like all countries, ( or blocs) there is an option for them to require visas for entry;

Many non-EU nationals require visas to enter EU countries. So what?

When UK leaves the EU, then you will be just like any other non-EU country ( which is what you wanted) so you may need visas.

Simple.

Anyone who is not a citizen of an EU country also needs a residence permit to live for an extended period there ( eg Carte de Sejour in France) . Either a temporary one or permanent one.

So nothing is new.

It's not "the EU attacking UK"; it's just a statement of fact, which reflects the fact that the UK will no longer be part of the EU, and will have the same terms as any other non EU country.

Exactly;

I cannot understand why obtaining a visa is such a problem or concern for so many people

Stuff your rights, get used to the real world, everything changes so get used to it.

You still have the right to live and work in any EU country If you can prove you have the education, talent and provide your employer with the skills needed

its just a little tightening up of the goal posts, and if you are incapable of taking time to ensure you have the correct visa & paperwork, then quiet frankly you don't deserve to be there in the first place.

have a nice Tuesday now.

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