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"Thousands took to the streets today in a series of 'march for europe' rallies in protest against the referendum vote to leave the EU. The demonstrations in london, edinburgh, birmingham, oxford and cambridge are demanding a pause in the brexit process and call for tight economic, cultural, and social ties with the rest of europe, they were walking with the eu flag, whats your view of the march rallies? I think it is good, because it shows how divided britain is over brexit." It is their right to demonstrate peacefully if they feel so strongly. But it is a waste of time. Because we will leave. They would be better spending their time doing something constructive,in my opinion x | |||
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"Thousands took to the streets today in a series of 'march for europe' rallies in protest against the referendum vote to leave the EU. The demonstrations in london, edinburgh, birmingham, oxford and cambridge are demanding a pause in the brexit process and call for tight economic, cultural, and social ties with the rest of europe, they were walking with the eu flag, whats your view of the march rallies? I think it is good, because it shows how divided britain is over brexit." Have these people nothing else better to do with their lives ?. I prefer to accept the majority result of the referendum. It is clear that some people do not believe in democracy . | |||
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"Thousands took to the streets today in a series of 'march for europe' rallies in protest against the referendum vote to leave the EU. The demonstrations in london, edinburgh, birmingham, oxford and cambridge are demanding a pause in the brexit process and call for tight economic, cultural, and social ties with the rest of europe, they were walking with the eu flag, whats your view of the march rallies? I think it is good, because it shows how divided britain is over brexit. It is their right to demonstrate peacefully if they feel so strongly. But it is a waste of time. Because we will leave. They would be better spending their time doing something constructive,in my opinion x" But people have been saying the same thing about UKIP for the last 20 years, and they finally got what they wanted. Events like this are just the start. | |||
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"Thousands took to the streets today in a series of 'march for europe' rallies in protest against the referendum vote to leave the EU. The demonstrations in london, edinburgh, birmingham, oxford and cambridge are demanding a pause in the brexit process and call for tight economic, cultural, and social ties with the rest of europe, they were walking with the eu flag, whats your view of the march rallies? I think it is good, because it shows how divided britain is over brexit. It is their right to demonstrate peacefully if they feel so strongly. But it is a waste of time. Because we will leave. They would be better spending their time doing something constructive,in my opinion x But people have been saying the same thing about UKIP for the last 20 years, and they finally got what they wanted. Events like this are just the start. " why? Cuz they are pathetic mard arses? When was the last march objecting to being in the EU? | |||
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"Thousands took to the streets today in a series of 'march for europe' rallies in protest against the referendum vote to leave the EU. The demonstrations in london, edinburgh, birmingham, oxford and cambridge are demanding a pause in the brexit process and call for tight economic, cultural, and social ties with the rest of europe, they were walking with the eu flag, whats your view of the march rallies? I think it is good, because it shows how divided britain is over brexit. It is their right to demonstrate peacefully if they feel so strongly. But it is a waste of time. Because we will leave. They would be better spending their time doing something constructive,in my opinion x But people have been saying the same thing about UKIP for the last 20 years, and they finally got what they wanted. Events like this are just the start. why? Cuz they are pathetic mard arses? When was the last march objecting to being in the EU?" Lots of people would say the same thing about UKIP  | |||
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"Thousands took to the streets today in a series of 'march for europe' rallies in protest against the referendum vote to leave the EU. The demonstrations in london, edinburgh, birmingham, oxford and cambridge are demanding a pause in the brexit process and call for tight economic, cultural, and social ties with the rest of europe, they were walking with the eu flag, whats your view of the march rallies? I think it is good, because it shows how divided britain is over brexit. It is their right to demonstrate peacefully if they feel so strongly. But it is a waste of time. Because we will leave. They would be better spending their time doing something constructive,in my opinion x But people have been saying the same thing about UKIP for the last 20 years, and they finally got what they wanted. Events like this are just the start. why? Cuz they are pathetic mard arses? When was the last march objecting to being in the EU? Lots of people would say the same thing about UKIP "That is as maybe. But, and it's a bloody big BUT. The remain side LOST. The Brexit (UKIP if you like) side won by over a million votes and no amount of demonstrations and flag waving will change it. Full stop. | |||
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"Waste of time and a bunch of wankers "Good point well made | |||
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"You lost ! Get over it remainiacs" | |||
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"So they want to overturn a democratic vote ? If that happens we will be just like Turky or Syria and might as well just give up to a mob rule where it will be he who has the biggest stick rules. Would be the end to democracy and the beginning of the end " Very true | |||
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"Thousands took to the streets today in a series of 'march for europe' rallies in protest against the referendum vote to leave the EU." Really? I didn't notice - too busy following up on positive opportunities to create to our great future. Must dash so much life to enjoy. Q | |||
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"Why is it a waste of time? " Correct me if I,m wrong but did,nt the PM say just the other day "No more referendums and Brexit means Brexit get on with it". That's why its a waste of time blocking the streets for no good reason. | |||
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"You lost ! Get over it remainiacs" No name for name calling and by that logic and rational we shouldn't have opposition parties in our parliament decision making system. I voted remain begrudgingly, but even I admit this point of action is pointless and just makes me cringe. Better to put plans in motion to push our unelected new PM into making the brexit cabinet more publicly inclusive and transparent. | |||
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"You lost ! Get over it remainiacs No name for name calling and by that logic and rational we shouldn't have opposition parties in our parliament decision making system. I voted remain begrudgingly, but even I admit this point of action is pointless and just makes me cringe. Better to put plans in motion to push our unelected new PM into making the brexit cabinet more publicly inclusive and transparent." what does that mean? | |||
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"Thousands took to the streets today in a series of 'march for europe' rallies in protest against the referendum vote to leave the EU. The demonstrations in london, edinburgh, birmingham, oxford and cambridge are demanding a pause in the brexit process and call for tight economic, cultural, and social ties with the rest of europe, they were walking with the eu flag, whats your view of the march rallies? I think it is good, because it shows how divided britain is over brexit. It is their right to demonstrate peacefully if they feel so strongly. But it is a waste of time. Because we will leave. They would be better spending their time doing something constructive,in my opinion x But people have been saying the same thing about UKIP for the last 20 years, and they finally got what they wanted. Events like this are just the start. why? Cuz they are pathetic mard arses? When was the last march objecting to being in the EU? Lots of people would say the same thing about UKIP
That is as maybe.
But, and it's a bloody big BUT.
The remain side LOST.
The Brexit (UKIP if you like) side won by over a million votes and no amount of demonstrations and flag waving will change it. Full stop."We have had two referendums about it, one 40 years ago, and one 8 weeks ago. The side that lost the first referendum didn't stop protesting, planning, organising etc. So don't expect the side that lost the second referendum to do so either. | |||
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"So they want to overturn a democratic vote ? If that happens we will be just like Turky or Syria and might as well just give up to a mob rule where it will be he who has the biggest stick rules. Would be the end to democracy and the beginning of the end " No, that's not what the march was about. It was about making sure that it is debated and voted on in parliament, especially as so many people said they wanted to establish the sovereignty of parliament during the campaign. To call for a referendum on the outcome of the negotiations. To call for protection for EU citizens here, and UK citizens abroad. Wouldn't you call an unelected PM circumventing parliament to unilaterally repeal an Act of Parliament undemocratic? | |||
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"It just confirms my suspicions that 99% of people on marches just want to shout at someone and aren't in the least bit interested in changing anything. " Sounds a bit like confirmation bias to me  | |||
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"It just confirms my suspicions that 99% of people on marches just want to shout at someone and aren't in the least bit interested in changing anything. Sounds a bit like confirmation bias to me "Not if you can show me a March that changed anything? People always say "oh one million people marched against the Iraq war" - yeah and fuck lot of good that did | |||
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"It just confirms my suspicions that 99% of people on marches just want to shout at someone and aren't in the least bit interested in changing anything. Sounds a bit like confirmation bias to me
Not if you can show me a March that changed anything? People always say "oh one million people marched against the Iraq war" - yeah and fuck lot of good that did "Poll Tax demonstrations worked. | |||
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"It just confirms my suspicions that 99% of people on marches just want to shout at someone and aren't in the least bit interested in changing anything. Sounds a bit like confirmation bias to me
Not if you can show me a March that changed anything? People always say "oh one million people marched against the Iraq war" - yeah and fuck lot of good that did
Poll Tax demonstrations worked."No they didn't. A bunnch of uneducated yobs being thugs didn't change anything. A change if government decided to change the name and tinker with the format. | |||
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"It just confirms my suspicions that 99% of people on marches just want to shout at someone and aren't in the least bit interested in changing anything. Sounds a bit like confirmation bias to me
Not if you can show me a March that changed anything? People always say "oh one million people marched against the Iraq war" - yeah and fuck lot of good that did
Poll Tax demonstrations worked.
No they didn't. A bunnch of uneducated yobs being thugs didn't change anything. A change if government decided to change the name and tinker with the format."It was a bit before my time but it doesn't half sound like council tax to me! | |||
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"It just confirms my suspicions that 99% of people on marches just want to shout at someone and aren't in the least bit interested in changing anything. Sounds a bit like confirmation bias to me
Not if you can show me a March that changed anything? People always say "oh one million people marched against the Iraq war" - yeah and fuck lot of good that did
Poll Tax demonstrations worked.
No they didn't. A bunnch of uneducated yobs being thugs didn't change anything. A change if government decided to change the name and tinker with the format.
It was a bit before my time but it doesn't half sound like council tax to me! "Nothing like it. My opinion is that the poll tax was (and is) the fairest way to tax local people for the local services that they use. It is completely logical that a person contributes to the local council and that every person over the age of 18 who is in gainful employment contributes the same. | |||
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"It just confirms my suspicions that 99% of people on marches just want to shout at someone and aren't in the least bit interested in changing anything. Sounds a bit like confirmation bias to me
Not if you can show me a March that changed anything? People always say "oh one million people marched against the Iraq war" - yeah and fuck lot of good that did
Poll Tax demonstrations worked.
No they didn't. A bunnch of uneducated yobs being thugs didn't change anything. A change if government decided to change the name and tinker with the format.
It was a bit before my time but it doesn't half sound like council tax to me! "Exactly the same, just a couple of tweaks and a name change to placate the thickos | |||
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"So they want to overturn a democratic vote ? If that happens we will be just like Turky or Syria and might as well just give up to a mob rule where it will be he who has the biggest stick rules. Would be the end to democracy and the beginning of the end No, that's not what the march was about. It was about making sure that it is debated and voted on in parliament, especially as so many people said they wanted to establish the sovereignty of parliament during the campaign. To call for a referendum on the outcome of the negotiations. To call for protection for EU citizens here, and UK citizens abroad. Wouldn't you call an unelected PM circumventing parliament to unilaterally repeal an Act of Parliament undemocratic? " What needs to be debated on in Parliament then? The vote was to leave the EU. That means leave the membership of the European Union. Which means the single market, the freedoms of movement of EU citizens and to stop paying the membership fee. I dont understand what is so complicated? By the way, we never elect prime ministers, the party and its members do! | |||
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"So they want to overturn a democratic vote ? If that happens we will be just like Turky or Syria and might as well just give up to a mob rule where it will be he who has the biggest stick rules. Would be the end to democracy and the beginning of the end No, that's not what the march was about. It was about making sure that it is debated and voted on in parliament, especially as so many people said they wanted to establish the sovereignty of parliament during the campaign. To call for a referendum on the outcome of the negotiations. To call for protection for EU citizens here, and UK citizens abroad. Wouldn't you call an unelected PM circumventing parliament to unilaterally repeal an Act of Parliament undemocratic? What needs to be debated on in Parliament then? The vote was to leave the EU. That means leave the membership of the European Union. Which means the single market, the freedoms of movement of EU citizens and to stop paying the membership fee. I dont understand what is so complicated? By the way, we never elect prime ministers, the party and its members do! " does the act passed in the early 70's not have to be repealed by Parliament in order for us to leave..? happy to be corrected if I got that wrong? | |||
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"So they want to overturn a democratic vote ? If that happens we will be just like Turky or Syria and might as well just give up to a mob rule where it will be he who has the biggest stick rules. Would be the end to democracy and the beginning of the end No, that's not what the march was about. It was about making sure that it is debated and voted on in parliament, especially as so many people said they wanted to establish the sovereignty of parliament during the campaign. To call for a referendum on the outcome of the negotiations. To call for protection for EU citizens here, and UK citizens abroad. Wouldn't you call an unelected PM circumventing parliament to unilaterally repeal an Act of Parliament undemocratic? What needs to be debated on in Parliament then? The vote was to leave the EU. That means leave the membership of the European Union. Which means the single market, the freedoms of movement of EU citizens and to stop paying the membership fee. I dont understand what is so complicated? By the way, we never elect prime ministers, the party and its members do! " To YOU leaving the EU means leaving the single market, but that doesnt mean that it means that to everyone else, there are members of the single market who aren't members of the EU. This is what is so daft about May saying "Brexit mean Brexit", its a sound bit to cover the fact that we have no idea what Brexit means. If you say we never elect our PM, then why were you bothered that you didn't get to vote directly on the EU commissioners, or EU Presidents? | |||
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"So they want to overturn a democratic vote ? If that happens we will be just like Turky or Syria and might as well just give up to a mob rule where it will be he who has the biggest stick rules. Would be the end to democracy and the beginning of the end No, that's not what the march was about. It was about making sure that it is debated and voted on in parliament, especially as so many people said they wanted to establish the sovereignty of parliament during the campaign. To call for a referendum on the outcome of the negotiations. To call for protection for EU citizens here, and UK citizens abroad. Wouldn't you call an unelected PM circumventing parliament to unilaterally repeal an Act of Parliament undemocratic? What needs to be debated on in Parliament then? The vote was to leave the EU. That means leave the membership of the European Union. Which means the single market, the freedoms of movement of EU citizens and to stop paying the membership fee. I dont understand what is so complicated? By the way, we never elect prime ministers, the party and its members do! To YOU leaving the EU means leaving the single market, but that doesnt mean that it means that to everyone else, there are members of the single market who aren't members of the EU. This is what is so daft about May saying "Brexit mean Brexit", its a sound bit to cover the fact that we have no idea what Brexit means. If you say we never elect our PM, then why were you bothered that you didn't get to vote directly on the EU commissioners, or EU Presidents? " Leaving the EU means leaving the single market! That's what the EU is?! As for those who have access to the single market that you refer, they are subject to the rules that members are. So what is the point of leaving if we dont leave the single market?! None! We elect a party on their manifesto. The PM heads up the party that wins. If they dont deliver, we can then vote them out. We can't do that with EU commissioners/presidents. It actually doesnt bother me that I can't vote for them. But I voted leave because I wanted a government that is in control of this country and that can be held accountable as far as is possible. Nice twist on your error though | |||
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" Poll Tax demonstrations worked. No they didn't. A bunnch of uneducated yobs being thugs didn't change anything. A change if government decided to change the name and tinker with the format." actually... it probably did... well not the demos as such, but the riots after helped focus the minds..... and then the realisation that people living in "tory" constituancys were going to be the big losers and the mps were so fearful of losing seats in the backlash saw the rebellion which killed it.... obviously its also part of the reason thatcher lost scotland as it was guinea pig'd on them first...... | |||
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"So they want to overturn a democratic vote ? If that happens we will be just like Turky or Syria and might as well just give up to a mob rule where it will be he who has the biggest stick rules. Would be the end to democracy and the beginning of the end No, that's not what the march was about. It was about making sure that it is debated and voted on in parliament, especially as so many people said they wanted to establish the sovereignty of parliament during the campaign. To call for a referendum on the outcome of the negotiations. To call for protection for EU citizens here, and UK citizens abroad. Wouldn't you call an unelected PM circumventing parliament to unilaterally repeal an Act of Parliament undemocratic? What needs to be debated on in Parliament then? The vote was to leave the EU. That means leave the membership of the European Union. Which means the single market, the freedoms of movement of EU citizens and to stop paying the membership fee. I dont understand what is so complicated? By the way, we never elect prime ministers, the party and its members do! To YOU leaving the EU means leaving the single market, but that doesnt mean that it means that to everyone else, there are members of the single market who aren't members of the EU. This is what is so daft about May saying "Brexit mean Brexit", its a sound bit to cover the fact that we have no idea what Brexit means. If you say we never elect our PM, then why were you bothered that you didn't get to vote directly on the EU commissioners, or EU Presidents? Leaving the EU means leaving the single market! That's what the EU is?! As for those who have access to the single market that you refer, they are subject to the rules that members are. So what is the point of leaving if we dont leave the single market?! None! We elect a party on their manifesto. The PM heads up the party that wins. If they dont deliver, we can then vote them out. We can't do that with EU commissioners/presidents. It actually doesnt bother me that I can't vote for them. But I voted leave because I wanted a government that is in control of this country and that can be held accountable as far as is possible. Nice twist on your error though "As I said, that's what you think it mean. If you read the MPC minutes, you'll find that more than 50% of international fund managers asked by the BoE thought that the UK would remain within the single market. You might be right and we might leave the SM, or I might be right and we will stay in the single market. We will both have to wait and see what happens. | |||
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"So they want to overturn a democratic vote ? If that happens we will be just like Turky or Syria and might as well just give up to a mob rule where it will be he who has the biggest stick rules. Would be the end to democracy and the beginning of the end No, that's not what the march was about. It was about making sure that it is debated and voted on in parliament, especially as so many people said they wanted to establish the sovereignty of parliament during the campaign. To call for a referendum on the outcome of the negotiations. To call for protection for EU citizens here, and UK citizens abroad. Wouldn't you call an unelected PM circumventing parliament to unilaterally repeal an Act of Parliament undemocratic? What needs to be debated on in Parliament then? The vote was to leave the EU. That means leave the membership of the European Union. Which means the single market, the freedoms of movement of EU citizens and to stop paying the membership fee. I dont understand what is so complicated? By the way, we never elect prime ministers, the party and its members do! To YOU leaving the EU means leaving the single market, but that doesnt mean that it means that to everyone else, there are members of the single market who aren't members of the EU. This is what is so daft about May saying "Brexit mean Brexit", its a sound bit to cover the fact that we have no idea what Brexit means. If you say we never elect our PM, then why were you bothered that you didn't get to vote directly on the EU commissioners, or EU Presidents? Leaving the EU means leaving the single market! That's what the EU is?! As for those who have access to the single market that you refer, they are subject to the rules that members are. So what is the point of leaving if we dont leave the single market?! None! We elect a party on their manifesto. The PM heads up the party that wins. If they dont deliver, we can then vote them out. We can't do that with EU commissioners/presidents. It actually doesnt bother me that I can't vote for them. But I voted leave because I wanted a government that is in control of this country and that can be held accountable as far as is possible. Nice twist on your error though
As I said, that's what you think it mean. If you read the MPC minutes, you'll find that more than 50% of international fund managers asked by the BoE thought that the UK would remain within the single market.
You might be right and we might leave the SM, or I might be right and we will stay in the single market. We will both have to wait and see what happens."Yes we will have to wait and see. Theresa May has been clear that immigration has to be controlled I.e. free movement of people has to stop. Which is a requirement of being in the single market, so I would guess that some kind of trade deal will be struck. | |||
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"It just confirms my suspicions that 99% of people on marches just want to shout at someone and aren't in the least bit interested in changing anything. Sounds a bit like confirmation bias to me
Not if you can show me a March that changed anything? People always say "oh one million people marched against the Iraq war" - yeah and fuck lot of good that did
Poll Tax demonstrations worked.
No they didn't. A bunnch of uneducated yobs being thugs didn't change anything. A change if government decided to change the name and tinker with the format.
It was a bit before my time but it doesn't half sound like council tax to me!
Nothing like it. My opinion is that the poll tax was (and is) the fairest way to tax local people for the local services that they use. It is completely logical that a person contributes to the local council and that every person over the age of 18 who is in gainful employment contributes the same."Wikipedia: The Community Charge (commonly known as the "poll tax") was a system of taxation... It provided for a single flat-rate per-capita tax on every adult, at a rate set by the local authority. The charge was replaced by Council Tax in 1993, So nothing like it? | |||
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" Poll Tax demonstrations worked. No they didn't. A bunnch of uneducated yobs being thugs didn't change anything. A change if government decided to change the name and tinker with the format. actually... it probably did... well not the demos as such, but the riots after helped focus the minds..... and then the realisation that people living in "tory" constituancys were going to be the big losers and the mps were so fearful of losing seats in the backlash saw the rebellion which killed it.... obviously its also part of the reason thatcher lost scotland as it was guinea pig'd on them first......" I'm not sure 'focused minds' is a provable impact! | |||
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"Thousands took to the streets today in a series of 'march for europe' rallies in protest against the referendum vote to leave the EU. " Meanwhile in other breaking news, about 68 Million people didn't demonstrate. | |||
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"Thousands took to the streets today in a series of 'march for europe' rallies in protest against the referendum vote to leave the EU. Meanwhile in other breaking news, about 68 Million people didn't demonstrate." And Brexit is still on... | |||
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"It just confirms my suspicions that 99% of people on marches just want to shout at someone and aren't in the least bit interested in changing anything. Sounds a bit like confirmation bias to me
Not if you can show me a March that changed anything? People always say "oh one million people marched against the Iraq war" - yeah and fuck lot of good that did
Poll Tax demonstrations worked.
No they didn't. A bunnch of uneducated yobs being thugs didn't change anything. A change if government decided to change the name and tinker with the format.
It was a bit before my time but it doesn't half sound like council tax to me!
Nothing like it. My opinion is that the poll tax was (and is) the fairest way to tax local people for the local services that they use. It is completely logical that a person contributes to the local council and that every person over the age of 18 who is in gainful employment contributes the same.
Wikipedia: The Community Charge (commonly known as the "poll tax") was a system of taxation... It provided for a single flat-rate per-capita tax on every adult, at a rate set by the local authority. The charge was replaced by Council Tax in 1993,
So nothing like it? "Exactly. The council tax is levied on properties according to their value and the poll tax was levied at an equal rate per person irrespective of the property size or value. | |||
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"It just confirms my suspicions that 99% of people on marches just want to shout at someone and aren't in the least bit interested in changing anything. Sounds a bit like confirmation bias to me
Not if you can show me a March that changed anything? People always say "oh one million people marched against the Iraq war" - yeah and fuck lot of good that did
Poll Tax demonstrations worked.
No they didn't. A bunnch of uneducated yobs being thugs didn't change anything. A change if government decided to change the name and tinker with the format.
It was a bit before my time but it doesn't half sound like council tax to me!
Nothing like it. My opinion is that the poll tax was (and is) the fairest way to tax local people for the local services that they use. It is completely logical that a person contributes to the local council and that every person over the age of 18 who is in gainful employment contributes the same.
Wikipedia: The Community Charge (commonly known as the "poll tax") was a system of taxation... It provided for a single flat-rate per-capita tax on every adult, at a rate set by the local authority. The charge was replaced by Council Tax in 1993,
So nothing like it?
Exactly. The council tax is levied on properties according to their value and the poll tax was levied at an equal rate per person irrespective of the property size or value."And you're really holding that distinction up as the best achievement of a March? That's kind of the point I was making! | |||
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"It just confirms my suspicions that 99% of people on marches just want to shout at someone and aren't in the least bit interested in changing anything. Sounds a bit like confirmation bias to me
Not if you can show me a March that changed anything? People always say "oh one million people marched against the Iraq war" - yeah and fuck lot of good that did
Poll Tax demonstrations worked.
No they didn't. A bunnch of uneducated yobs being thugs didn't change anything. A change if government decided to change the name and tinker with the format.
It was a bit before my time but it doesn't half sound like council tax to me!
Nothing like it. My opinion is that the poll tax was (and is) the fairest way to tax local people for the local services that they use. It is completely logical that a person contributes to the local council and that every person over the age of 18 who is in gainful employment contributes the same.
Wikipedia: The Community Charge (commonly known as the "poll tax") was a system of taxation... It provided for a single flat-rate per-capita tax on every adult, at a rate set by the local authority. The charge was replaced by Council Tax in 1993,
So nothing like it?
Exactly. The council tax is levied on properties according to their value and the poll tax was levied at an equal rate per person irrespective of the property size or value.
And you're really holding that distinction up as the best achievement of a March? That's kind of the point I was making! "I am really confused. For years and years local councils collected "rates" essentially a property tax. These were replaced by the community charge (poll tax) and there was widespread civil disobedience and rioting particularly in London. Subsequently the community charge was changed back to a modernised version of a property tax. The civil disobedience was at least partly responsible for the abandoning of the poll tax. | |||
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"It just confirms my suspicions that 99% of people on marches just want to shout at someone and aren't in the least bit interested in changing anything. Sounds a bit like confirmation bias to me
Not if you can show me a March that changed anything? People always say "oh one million people marched against the Iraq war" - yeah and fuck lot of good that did
Poll Tax demonstrations worked.
No they didn't. A bunnch of uneducated yobs being thugs didn't change anything. A change if government decided to change the name and tinker with the format.
It was a bit before my time but it doesn't half sound like council tax to me!
Nothing like it. My opinion is that the poll tax was (and is) the fairest way to tax local people for the local services that they use. It is completely logical that a person contributes to the local council and that every person over the age of 18 who is in gainful employment contributes the same.
Wikipedia: The Community Charge (commonly known as the "poll tax") was a system of taxation... It provided for a single flat-rate per-capita tax on every adult, at a rate set by the local authority. The charge was replaced by Council Tax in 1993,
So nothing like it?
Exactly. The council tax is levied on properties according to their value and the poll tax was levied at an equal rate per person irrespective of the property size or value.
And you're really holding that distinction up as the best achievement of a March? That's kind of the point I was making!
I am really confused. For years and years local councils collected "rates" essentially a property tax. These were replaced by the community charge (poll tax) and there was widespread civil disobedience and rioting particularly in London. Subsequently the community charge was changed back to a modernised version of a property tax.
The civil disobedience was at least partly responsible for the abandoning of the poll tax. "And that is the greatest achievement a March has to offer? What I'm saying is, this March ain't gonna change Brexit, nobody that mattered gave a fuck when China hosted the olympics and all the hippies shouted "free Tibet", nobody even remembers what 'occupy' movement was about and we still went to war in Iraq. My theory is that the people involved don't really care about change, they just want to vent anger. Tweaking the taxes from local councils hardly seems to rebuff that. | |||
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"I was and am still strongly in favour of Remain. I think these demonstrations are pointless and self indulgent. Also, Eddie Izzard was the worst thing to happen to the Remain campaign since Jeremy Corbyn, when is he going to fuck off?" Yes he was. His question time showing was an embarrassment and created sympathy for Farage. | |||
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"Public demonstrations are never a waste of time as they just confirm the rights granted in 1215. Having said that it is maybe worth finding something worthwhile and with a purpose to demonstrate about / against / for. People who are demanding a 2nd referendum or some vote in Parliament are the losers who cannot accept a democratic vote. A vote incidentally demanded by an Act of Parliament passed by a majority of 6 to 1, where over 70% of the electorate took part and which produced a 52% in favour of leaving the EU. It would also be helpful if those Remoaners on here stopped using the expression 'be a part of the Single Market' with all the attendant Free Movement of people, a Membership Fee of some £13 Bn a year, subjugation of our Parliament to Brussels and our Supreme Court to Strasbourg. We are leaving the EU and therefore will not be part of its 'Single Market in Goods' (there being no Single Market in Services). What we will have instead is access to the EU group of countries the same as the USA, China, Australia, Canada etc etc has now. The terms of that access will be decided AFTER we leave the EU which is what 'Brexit' actually means - "the BRitish EXIT of the EU". People like to confuse and muddle the two so it plays into their 'It will take 2 to 5 years to leave' nonsense." | |||
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"Public demonstrations are never a waste of time as they just confirm the rights granted in 1215. Having said that it is maybe worth finding something worthwhile and with a purpose to demonstrate about / against / for. " Is it just me or doesn't the second paragraph contradict the first? | |||
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"Public demonstrations are never a waste of time as they just confirm the rights granted in 1215. Having said that it is maybe worth finding something worthwhile and with a purpose to demonstrate about / against / for. Is it just me or doesn't the second paragraph contradict the first? " No it just means people should find some thing worth while (that has a chance of being changed) to demonstrate about. Having already been told there will be no 2nd referendum or vote in parliament what do they think they will change. | |||
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"Public demonstrations are never a waste of time as they just confirm the rights granted in 1215. Having said that it is maybe worth finding something worthwhile and with a purpose to demonstrate about / against / for. Is it just me or doesn't the second paragraph contradict the first? No it just means people should find some thing worth while (that has a chance of being changed) to demonstrate about. Having already been told there will be no 2nd referendum or vote in parliament what do they think they will change. " But surely that means that some demonstrations are a waste of time then? | |||
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"Public demonstrations are never a waste of time as they just confirm the rights granted in 1215. Having said that it is maybe worth finding something worthwhile and with a purpose to demonstrate about / against / for. Is it just me or doesn't the second paragraph contradict the first? No it just means people should find some thing worth while (that has a chance of being changed) to demonstrate about. Having already been told there will be no 2nd referendum or vote in parliament what do they think they will change. But surely that means that some demonstrations are a waste of time then? " Yes as I and others have already said marching against Brexit is a waste of time it will change nothing. | |||
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"Public demonstrations are never a waste of time as they just confirm the rights granted in 1215. Having said that it is maybe worth finding something worthwhile and with a purpose to demonstrate about / against / for. Is it just me or doesn't the second paragraph contradict the first? " I don't think so. The fact someone has a right to do whatever and they exercise that right cannot be a waste of their time. Freedom is not a waste of time. But my point was if you are going to exercise that right (that was probably hard won by others) then make sure you use that time and effort as wisely as possible. | |||
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"Thousands took to the streets today in a series of 'march for europe' rallies in protest against the referendum vote to leave the EU. The demonstrations in london, edinburgh, birmingham, oxford and cambridge are demanding a pause in the brexit process and call for tight economic, cultural, and social ties with the rest of europe, they were walking with the eu flag, whats your view of the march rallies? I think it is good, because it shows how divided britain is over brexit." Strange!! I was in Edinburgh and never saw a thing, guess the BBC missed it as well as no mention | |||
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"Well there was no clear outline by the diverse groups of Brexit campaigners of how it would actually be like if we left. What model or system it would be? Sweden? Switzerland? Farage did not do brexit much good when he suddenly resigned after the result and his triumphalist speech at the EU. It gave impression he want expecting a leave victory himself and had no idea what to do next. He should have stayed and be part of negotiations instead of running off like he was scared. Maybe he doesn't want to be blamed if negotiations go pear shaped and the UK has to end up paying 3 or 4 times what they are paying annually to leave etc or the Calais 'jungle' moves to kent as the French dumps the problem on to brexit. Final point Cameron is to blame for political suicide. Why did he allow a fringe single issue protest party with no MPs at the time bully him into the referendum? There was no pressure from the other parties for one. BeRing that in mind the resukt was strictly speaking a debating position not green light to pull out. I would imagine most voted out of protest not seriously expecting brexit to win. That was the gamble Cameron took and Farage himself said tHat on the night of the vote. Who would vote for something so monumental without a clear exit plan which was lacking from brexit? For these reasons it should be fully debated or a second referendum held in near future. We could see break up of the UK if Scotland opts to remain and go independent " | |||
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"Public demonstrations are never a waste of time as they just confirm the rights granted in 1215. Having said that it is maybe worth finding something worthwhile and with a purpose to demonstrate about / against / for. Is it just me or doesn't the second paragraph contradict the first? I don't think so. The fact someone has a right to do whatever and they exercise that right cannot be a waste of their time. Freedom is not a waste of time. But my point was if you are going to exercise that right (that was probably hard won by others) then make sure you use that time and effort as wisely as possible." But there's an established way of making political change which involves motions, bills, MPs etc. These marches never seem to have any of these things. It's just groups of people having a big moan and then congratulating themselves on a good moan. | |||
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"Public demonstrations are never a waste of time as they just confirm the rights granted in 1215. Having said that it is maybe worth finding something worthwhile and with a purpose to demonstrate about / against / for. People who are demanding a 2nd referendum or some vote in Parliament are the losers who cannot accept a democratic vote. A vote incidentally demanded by an Act of Parliament passed by a majority of 6 to 1, where over 70% of the electorate took part and which produced a 52% in favour of leaving the EU. It would also be helpful if those Remoaners on here stopped using the expression 'be a part of the Single Market' with all the attendant Free Movement of people, a Membership Fee of some £13 Bn a year, subjugation of our Parliament to Brussels and our Supreme Court to Strasbourg. We are leaving the EU and therefore will not be part of its 'Single Market in Goods' (there being no Single Market in Services). What we will have instead is access to the EU group of countries the same as the USA, China, Australia, Canada etc etc has now. The terms of that access will be decided AFTER we leave the EU which is what 'Brexit' actually means - "the BRitish EXIT of the EU". People like to confuse and muddle the two so it plays into their 'It will take 2 to 5 years to leave' nonsense. You are dreaming of you think that this or any future British Govt will set sail on a path of economic destruction without getting a mandate to do so. The referendum to "leave the eu" was an emotional led process whereby all of the leading Brexit campaigners assured the public that the UK would be better off financially outside the EU. Indeed BJ wrote a piece in the papers the day after proclaiming assurances that not only would we leave the EU, we would retain full and unfettered access to the single market and control EU migration. When the May team realises that there is no easy way out of this and that like the Japanese have warned, inward investment will suffer she will have to go back to the people. Higher unemployment, higher taxes and an inconvenienced society is not the utopia of Brexit and if that is going to be how Brexit looks, she will have to either call a second referendum or more likely an election. The stakes are too high to just plod on regardless." Without doubt the stakes are very high but no matter what Mrs May decides to do or whether the UK holds another referendum or not, events elsewhere will overtake anything happening in Britain. Firstly Obama can say what the hell he likes but he is already a lame duck president and will be gone in January. I would be more interested to hear what Clinton or Trump has to say. I think I would have more chance of being elected as the next president of France than Hollande. Come the next election (spring 2017) he will be toast. Then we come to Merkel. Her party has just finished 3rd in elections in her home state and behind AFD (a sort of German UKIP) She may still strut her stuff around the world but at home she is weak and getting weaker. The odds are that she will be gone after the next election (or maybe sooner) The real Elephant in the room however is Renzi, and the shit could hit the fan before any of the above. The Italians are holding a constitutional referendum in late October/early November. Defeat for Renzi would almost certainly lead to his resignation and a crisis that many economists and commentators predict could end in the death of the Euro. Whatever happens in the next few months one thing is certain. Teresa May will still be the British PM long after all the others have gone and, no matter how difficult the negotiations turn out to be, she will end up with by far the stronger hand. | |||
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"Well there was no clear outline by the diverse groups of Brexit campaigners of how it would actually be like if we left. What model or system it would be? Sweden? Switzerland? Farage did not do brexit much good when he suddenly resigned after the result and his triumphalist speech at the EU. It gave impression he want expecting a leave victory himself and had no idea what to do next. He should have stayed and be part of negotiations instead of running off like he was scared. Maybe he doesn't want to be blamed if negotiations go pear shaped and the UK has to end up paying 3 or 4 times what they are paying annually to leave etc or the Calais 'jungle' moves to kent as the French dumps the problem on to brexit. Final point Cameron is to blame for political suicide. Why did he allow a fringe single issue protest party with no MPs at the time bully him into the referendum? There was no pressure from the other parties for one. BeRing that in mind the resukt was strictly speaking a debating position not green light to pull out. I would imagine most voted out of protest not seriously expecting brexit to win. That was the gamble Cameron took and Farage himself said tHat on the night of the vote. Who would vote for something so monumental without a clear exit plan which was lacking from brexit? For these reasons it should be fully debated or a second referendum held in near future. We could see break up of the UK if Scotland opts to remain and go independent " I was struggling to find any rational argument in anything you said. Only a blinkered Remoaner could come out with so many words that actually say nothing that stands any scrutiny. You fabricate non events to support a hollow and failed argument. You infer there was more on the ballot paper than there actually was and then mislead everyone about who did waht after! It was a straight binary question: Remain or leave. Nothing else. And by the way it was a Referendum not a General election... Google the difference ... But lets take one sentence: "Why did he allow a fringe single issue protest party with no MPs at the time bully him into the referendum?" Maybe because UKIP defeated all other parties in the last European elections? Maybe because they won 12.6% of votes cast in the last General Election? Maybe because some 4 million of the British electorate voted for them? Maybe because they polled nearly twice as many votes as the SNP you now applaud? Maybe because within his own party he was being told that this continued suppression of democracy would blow up in his face very soon? And finally what part of the fact that an Act of Parliament was passed by some 6 to 1 to give the British people the decision on whether to Remain or Leave don't you quite understand exactly? Parliament asked and we decided. End of. Finish. Decided. Crack on ....  | |||
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"Well there was no clear outline by the diverse groups of Brexit campaigners of how it would actually be like if we left. What model or system it would be? Sweden? Switzerland? Farage did not do brexit much good when he suddenly resigned after the result and his triumphalist speech at the EU. It gave impression he want expecting a leave victory himself and had no idea what to do next. He should have stayed and be part of negotiations instead of running off like he was scared. Maybe he doesn't want to be blamed if negotiations go pear shaped and the UK has to end up paying 3 or 4 times what they are paying annually to leave etc or the Calais 'jungle' moves to kent as the French dumps the problem on to brexit. Final point Cameron is to blame for political suicide. Why did he allow a fringe single issue protest party with no MPs at the time bully him into the referendum? There was no pressure from the other parties for one. BeRing that in mind the resukt was strictly speaking a debating position not green light to pull out. I would imagine most voted out of protest not seriously expecting brexit to win. That was the gamble Cameron took and Farage himself said tHat on the night of the vote. Who would vote for something so monumental without a clear exit plan which was lacking from brexit? For these reasons it should be fully debated or a second referendum held in near future. We could see break up of the UK if Scotland opts to remain and go independent I was struggling to find any rational argument in anything you said. Only a blinkered Remoaner could come out with so many words that actually say nothing that stands any scrutiny. You fabricate non events to support a hollow and failed argument. You infer there was more on the ballot paper than there actually was and then mislead everyone about who did waht after! It was a straight binary question: Remain or leave. Nothing else. And by the way it was a Referendum not a General election... Google the difference ... But lets take one sentence: "Why did he allow a fringe single issue protest party with no MPs at the time bully him into the referendum?" Maybe because UKIP defeated all other parties in the last European elections? Maybe because they won 12.6% of votes cast in the last General Election? Maybe because some 4 million of the British electorate voted for them? Maybe because they polled nearly twice as many votes as the SNP you now applaud? Maybe because within his own party he was being told that this continued suppression of democracy would blow up in his face very soon? And finally what part of the fact that an Act of Parliament was passed by some 6 to 1 to give the British people the decision on whether to Remain or Leave don't you quite understand exactly? Parliament asked and we decided. End of. Finish. Decided. Crack on .... "Ukip was expected to mAke a major breakthrough aT the last election following dis satisfaction with with the liberals. Many thought they would replace them as third party or even beat labour. In fact there was a serious tv documentary about ukip winning the election with Farage as PM. It wasn't seen at the time as satire ir political theatre. But where did they come with all their widespread popularity? No where. They didn't win a single seat from the other parties and held on to the only seat they had from a tory who defected. That would show how much the public thought of them.before people say it was the unfair FPP system we have that allowed it to hsppen, the liberals and all others had to work with it. Even their leader Farage didn't get elected. millions voted for them but they should have won a seat, they didn't fully grasp how popular they really were if they couldn't get a single new seat or replace the liberals. Farage understood this thats why he resigned instead of using the result to kick start ukip. To be honest after that election resukt with no breakthrough for ukip, Cameron could have kicked the referendum into touch. The election was the true referendum | |||
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" You are dreaming of you think that this or any future British Govt will set sail on a path of economic destruction without getting a mandate to do so." The premise for your argument is flawed by a lack of knowledge. Define 'economic destruction' first. " The referendum to "leave the eu" was an emotional led process whereby all of the leading Brexit campaigners assured the public that the UK would be better off financially outside the EU. Indeed BJ wrote a piece in the papers the day after proclaiming assurances that not only would we leave the EU, we would retain full and unfettered access to the single market and control EU migration." And your point is exactly? " When the May team realises that there is no easy way out of this and that like the Japanese have warned, inward investment will suffer she will have to go back to the people." No she won't and has said she will not do so. The '2nd Referendum' will be in 2020 when we have a General Election. " Higher unemployment, higher taxes and an inconvenienced society is not the utopia of Brexit and if that is going to be how Brexit looks, she will have to either call a second referendum or more likely an election. The stakes are too high to just plod on regardless." Your statements are totally unsupported by any factual evidence. Indeed the economic signs in the real world (as opposed to those in the minds of Remoaners and Project Fear 'experts') are indicating quite the opposite of your predictions. As to the Japanese report what they are concerned about is access to the EU countries' markets for cars manufactured in the UK and the supporting component industry. No one has suggested that will change substantially have they? Given the huge deficit in automotive trade between the EU and the UK (only 1 in 7 cars registered in 2015 were manufactured here in the UK) there is absolutely no way Merkel will allow anything but that free market in the car and automotive industry. | |||
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" To be honest after that election resukt with no breakthrough for ukip, Cameron could have kicked the referendum into touch. The election was the true referendum You quietly ignore political reality. Cameron won because he alone promised that EU Referendum! And to use the vagaries of the UK's 'First Past the Post' electoral system that gave the SNP 56 MPs for half the votes that UKIP got that produced 1 MP hardly stands scrutiny!" Cameron won to his own and the Tory parties surprise due to Labour having a weak leader, UKIP got 4 million votes because some of those voters believed Cameron wouldn't be in a position to actually deliver the referendum or trusted him to do so.. | |||
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" To be honest after that election resukt with no breakthrough for ukip, Cameron could have kicked the referendum into touch. The election was the true referendum You quietly ignore political reality. Cameron won because he alone promised that EU Referendum! And to use the vagaries of the UK's 'First Past the Post' electoral system that gave the SNP 56 MPs for half the votes that UKIP got that produced 1 MP hardly stands scrutiny! Cameron won to his own and the Tory parties surprise due to Labour having a weak leader, UKIP got 4 million votes because some of those voters believed Cameron wouldn't be in a position to actually deliver the referendum or trusted him to do so.. " Oh and when did you ask those 4 million people why they voted as they did? Oh wait no you didn't and neither has anyone else ... The fact they put their 'X' in the UKIP box is all anyone needs to know. | |||
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" To be honest after that election resukt with no breakthrough for ukip, Cameron could have kicked the referendum into touch. The election was the true referendum You quietly ignore political reality. Cameron won because he alone promised that EU Referendum! And to use the vagaries of the UK's 'First Past the Post' electoral system that gave the SNP 56 MPs for half the votes that UKIP got that produced 1 MP hardly stands scrutiny!" Politicians always change their minds and don't always do what they had in their manifesto. Sometimes they may not get support in parliament to pass controversial policies or economic or social circumstances prevent it. Or they could use that as an excuse. Remember under the Parliament Act and Representation of the People Act. Governments have a right to govern and can not be forced out of office for refusing to what was in the manifesto. If Cameron refused to allow the referendum following the disastrous result of Ukip at the elections, nothing would happen becSuse Ukip would have no influence in parliament, the same as the greens with a single MP. Sorry the millions who voted for them across the country and hundreds of thousands voting for the greens and other parties count for nothing. Sorry you are ignoring political reality. If May decides not to pull out or trigger article 50 or suggest a new referendum or simply choose to remain and have new negotiations resulting in minor changes there is nothing the brexit or ukip could do. They would have to wait for a new general election and perhaps hold a new referendum and see what happens | |||
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"People have the right to protest. I think a lot if people feel helpless as Britain slides into the shitter both economically and culturally due to Brexit. As many people pointed out though, it is pointless, we've collectively made our bed and we have to live with the decision. These protests are getting smaller as realisation of the inevebility sinks in. Now where's the New Zealand Visa form gone!" Why, which Union are they in? | |||
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"People have the right to protest. I think a lot if people feel helpless as Britain slides into the shitter both economically and culturally due to Brexit. As many people pointed out though, it is pointless, we've collectively made our bed and we have to live with the decision. These protests are getting smaller as realisation of the inevebility sinks in. Now where's the New Zealand Visa form gone! Basically we have shit the bed and now need to just lay in it! "Once again a sad Remoaner shows their complete hatred for the UK and makes inane comments that are totally false. There have been NO economic reports on factual events that support your continued thesis on the affects of Brexit. Indeed just today your favourite 'experts' IHS Markit, the people you paraded just weeks ago as so rock solid, had to back the 'Project Fear' truck up yet AGAIN: "The Markit/CIPS purchasing managers' index (PMI) showed activity in UK services recorded the biggest month-on-month rise in the survey's history. The index rose from 47.4 in July to 52.9 in August. A score above 50 indicates growth. It effectively takes services back to pre-Brexit levels, Markit said." http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-37274279 So in two months this bunch of shits (to use your 'foecical' analogy) has gone form forecasting catastrophe, to force down the Pound and interest rates, to having to say 'Oops .. Sorry!' How many more of your 'experts' confessing they had it wrong before you admit YOU have it so very wrong? | |||
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"People have the right to protest. I think a lot if people feel helpless as Britain slides into the shitter both economically and culturally due to Brexit. As many people pointed out though, it is pointless, we've collectively made our bed and we have to live with the decision. These protests are getting smaller as realisation of the inevebility sinks in. Now where's the New Zealand Visa form gone!" Mind how you go and have a safe trip. New Zealand is a lovely place with very proud people but they don't take kindly to people who bash their own country... | |||
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"People have the right to protest. I think a lot if people feel helpless as Britain slides into the shitter both economically and culturally due to Brexit. As many people pointed out though, it is pointless, we've collectively made our bed and we have to live with the decision. These protests are getting smaller as realisation of the inevebility sinks in. Now where's the New Zealand Visa form gone! Basically we have shit the bed and now need to just lay in it!
Once again a sad Remoaner shows their complete hatred for the UK and makes inane comments that are totally false. There have been NO economic reports on factual events that support your continued thesis on the affects of Brexit.
Indeed just today your favourite 'experts' IHS Markit, the people you paraded just weeks ago as so rock solid, had to back the 'Project Fear' truck up yet AGAIN:
"The Markit/CIPS purchasing managers' index (PMI) showed activity in UK services recorded the biggest month-on-month rise in the survey's history.
The index rose from 47.4 in July to 52.9 in August. A score above 50 indicates growth.
It effectively takes services back to pre-Brexit levels, Markit said."
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-37274279
So in two months this bunch of shits (to use your 'foecical' analogy) has gone form forecasting catastrophe, to force down the Pound and interest rates, to having to say 'Oops .. Sorry!'
How many more of your 'experts' confessing they had it wrong before you admit YOU have it so very wrong?"Make up your mind, before you said that they are morons and cant be trusted and are not experts. So can we have a final decision on if you are going to accept that they know what they are talking about or not? | |||
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"People have the right to protest. I think a lot if people feel helpless as Britain slides into the shitter both economically and culturally due to Brexit. As many people pointed out though, it is pointless, we've collectively made our bed and we have to live with the decision. These protests are getting smaller as realisation of the inevebility sinks in. Now where's the New Zealand Visa form gone! Basically we have shit the bed and now need to just lay in it!
Once again a sad Remoaner shows their complete hatred for the UK and makes inane comments that are totally false. There have been NO economic reports on factual events that support your continued thesis on the affects of Brexit.
Indeed just today your favourite 'experts' IHS Markit, the people you paraded just weeks ago as so rock solid, had to back the 'Project Fear' truck up yet AGAIN:
"The Markit/CIPS purchasing managers' index (PMI) showed activity in UK services recorded the biggest month-on-month rise in the survey's history.
The index rose from 47.4 in July to 52.9 in August. A score above 50 indicates growth.
It effectively takes services back to pre-Brexit levels, Markit said."
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-37274279
So in two months this bunch of shits (to use your 'foecical' analogy) has gone form forecasting catastrophe, to force down the Pound and interest rates, to having to say 'Oops .. Sorry!'
How many more of your 'experts' confessing they had it wrong before you admit YOU have it so very wrong?
Make up your mind, before you said that they are morons and cant be trusted and are not experts.
So can we have a final decision on if you are going to accept that they know what they are talking about or not? "That has to be the stupidist twisting of words ever on here! As far as Brexit is concerned why I call them 'experts' (note the quotes) is because no one has any experience of these times. I remain of that view that they are no more 'expert' than me. But they are especially moronic when they use their power to influence as a means of damaging an economy to make huge speculative profits as IHS Markit clearly did. If they are 'experts' why did they get every forecast wrong and have had to retract every single one in the last fortnight? Retail, Manufacturing, Services etc. All got totally WRONG. A cynic might say it was deliberate as part of 'Project Fear'. I could not possobly comment! | |||
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"People have the right to protest. I think a lot if people feel helpless as Britain slides into the shitter both economically and culturally due to Brexit. As many people pointed out though, it is pointless, we've collectively made our bed and we have to live with the decision. These protests are getting smaller as realisation of the inevebility sinks in. Now where's the New Zealand Visa form gone! Basically we have shit the bed and now need to just lay in it!
Once again a sad Remoaner shows their complete hatred for the UK and makes inane comments that are totally false. There have been NO economic reports on factual events that support your continued thesis on the affects of Brexit.
Indeed just today your favourite 'experts' IHS Markit, the people you paraded just weeks ago as so rock solid, had to back the 'Project Fear' truck up yet AGAIN:
"The Markit/CIPS purchasing managers' index (PMI) showed activity in UK services recorded the biggest month-on-month rise in the survey's history.
The index rose from 47.4 in July to 52.9 in August. A score above 50 indicates growth.
It effectively takes services back to pre-Brexit levels, Markit said."
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-37274279
So in two months this bunch of shits (to use your 'foecical' analogy) has gone form forecasting catastrophe, to force down the Pound and interest rates, to having to say 'Oops .. Sorry!'
How many more of your 'experts' confessing they had it wrong before you admit YOU have it so very wrong?
Make up your mind, before you said that they are morons and cant be trusted and are not experts.
So can we have a final decision on if you are going to accept that they know what they are talking about or not?
That has to be the stupidist twisting of words ever on here!
As far as Brexit is concerned why I call them 'experts' (note the quotes) is because no one has any experience of these times. I remain of that view that they are no more 'expert' than me.
But they are especially moronic when they use their power to influence as a means of damaging an economy to make huge speculative profits as IHS Markit clearly did. If they are 'experts' why did they get every forecast wrong and have had to retract every single one in the last fortnight? Retail, Manufacturing, Services etc. All got totally WRONG.
A cynic might say it was deliberate as part of 'Project Fear'. I could not possobly comment!
"So you are trying to offer them up as proof of Brexit being a success whilst at the same time calling them morons? You are saying "listen to this moron, he says Brexit is good so it must be good"  | |||
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"Well there was no clear outline by the diverse groups of Brexit campaigners of how it would actually be like if we left. What model or system it would be? Sweden? Switzerland? Farage did not do brexit much good when he suddenly resigned after the result and his triumphalist speech at the EU. It gave impression he want expecting a leave victory himself and had no idea what to do next. He should have stayed and be part of negotiations instead of running off like he was scared. Maybe he doesn't want to be blamed if negotiations go pear shaped and the UK has to end up paying 3 or 4 times what they are paying annually to leave etc or the Calais 'jungle' moves to kent as the French dumps the problem on to brexit. Final point Cameron is to blame for political suicide. Why did he allow a fringe single issue protest party with no MPs at the time bully him into the referendum? There was no pressure from the other parties for one. BeRing that in mind the resukt was strictly speaking a debating position not green light to pull out. I would imagine most voted out of protest not seriously expecting brexit to win. That was the gamble Cameron took and Farage himself said tHat on the night of the vote. Who would vote for something so monumental without a clear exit plan which was lacking from brexit? For these reasons it should be fully debated or a second referendum held in near future. We could see break up of the UK if Scotland opts to remain and go independent " And just how was Farage or anyone else not in the Government going to be allowed to form an exit plan? Cameron knew there was a risk he would lose HE should have had a plan for our exit. | |||
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"People have the right to protest. I think a lot if people feel helpless as Britain slides into the shitter both economically and culturally due to Brexit. As many people pointed out though, it is pointless, we've collectively made our bed and we have to live with the decision. These protests are getting smaller as realisation of the inevebility sinks in. Now where's the New Zealand Visa form gone! Basically we have shit the bed and now need to just lay in it!
Once again a sad Remoaner shows their complete hatred for the UK and makes inane comments that are totally false. There have been NO economic reports on factual events that support your continued thesis on the affects of Brexit.
Indeed just today your favourite 'experts' IHS Markit, the people you paraded just weeks ago as so rock solid, had to back the 'Project Fear' truck up yet AGAIN:
"The Markit/CIPS purchasing managers' index (PMI) showed activity in UK services recorded the biggest month-on-month rise in the survey's history.
The index rose from 47.4 in July to 52.9 in August. A score above 50 indicates growth.
It effectively takes services back to pre-Brexit levels, Markit said."
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-37274279
So in two months this bunch of shits (to use your 'foecical' analogy) has gone form forecasting catastrophe, to force down the Pound and interest rates, to having to say 'Oops .. Sorry!'
How many more of your 'experts' confessing they had it wrong before you admit YOU have it so very wrong?
Make up your mind, before you said that they are morons and cant be trusted and are not experts.
So can we have a final decision on if you are going to accept that they know what they are talking about or not?
That has to be the stupidist twisting of words ever on here!
As far as Brexit is concerned why I call them 'experts' (note the quotes) is because no one has any experience of these times. I remain of that view that they are no more 'expert' than me.
But they are especially moronic when they use their power to influence as a means of damaging an economy to make huge speculative profits as IHS Markit clearly did. If they are 'experts' why did they get every forecast wrong and have had to retract every single one in the last fortnight? Retail, Manufacturing, Services etc. All got totally WRONG.
A cynic might say it was deliberate as part of 'Project Fear'. I could not possobly comment!
So you are trying to offer them up as proof of Brexit being a success whilst at the same time calling them morons?
You are saying "listen to this moron, he says Brexit is good so it must be good" "Stop being moronic in your petty twisting. I am not 'offering up' anything. I am knocking down YOUR 'experts' who YOU offer up as proving Brexit is a failure and will damage the UK. What part of 'Your so called experts have had to admit they were wrong' don't you quite understand? | |||
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"People have the right to protest. I think a lot if people feel helpless as Britain slides into the shitter both economically and culturally due to Brexit. As many people pointed out though, it is pointless, we've collectively made our bed and we have to live with the decision. These protests are getting smaller as realisation of the inevebility sinks in. Now where's the New Zealand Visa form gone! Basically we have shit the bed and now need to just lay in it!
Once again a sad Remoaner shows their complete hatred for the UK and makes inane comments that are totally false. There have been NO economic reports on factual events that support your continued thesis on the affects of Brexit.
Indeed just today your favourite 'experts' IHS Markit, the people you paraded just weeks ago as so rock solid, had to back the 'Project Fear' truck up yet AGAIN:
"The Markit/CIPS purchasing managers' index (PMI) showed activity in UK services recorded the biggest month-on-month rise in the survey's history.
The index rose from 47.4 in July to 52.9 in August. A score above 50 indicates growth.
It effectively takes services back to pre-Brexit levels, Markit said."
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-37274279
So in two months this bunch of shits (to use your 'foecical' analogy) has gone form forecasting catastrophe, to force down the Pound and interest rates, to having to say 'Oops .. Sorry!'
How many more of your 'experts' confessing they had it wrong before you admit YOU have it so very wrong?
Make up your mind, before you said that they are morons and cant be trusted and are not experts.
So can we have a final decision on if you are going to accept that they know what they are talking about or not?
That has to be the stupidist twisting of words ever on here!
As far as Brexit is concerned why I call them 'experts' (note the quotes) is because no one has any experience of these times. I remain of that view that they are no more 'expert' than me.
But they are especially moronic when they use their power to influence as a means of damaging an economy to make huge speculative profits as IHS Markit clearly did. If they are 'experts' why did they get every forecast wrong and have had to retract every single one in the last fortnight? Retail, Manufacturing, Services etc. All got totally WRONG.
A cynic might say it was deliberate as part of 'Project Fear'. I could not possobly comment!
So you are trying to offer them up as proof of Brexit being a success whilst at the same time calling them morons?
You are saying "listen to this moron, he says Brexit is good so it must be good"
Stop being moronic in your petty twisting. I am not 'offering up' anything. I am knocking down YOUR 'experts' who YOU offer up as proving Brexit is a failure and will damage the UK.
What part of 'Your so called experts have had to admit they were wrong' don't you quite understand? "Well you either have to accept them as experts in the first place, or if you dont think they no what they are talking about, you can't use them as proof to support your arguement. | |||
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" To be honest after that election resukt with no breakthrough for ukip, Cameron could have kicked the referendum into touch. The election was the true referendum You quietly ignore political reality. Cameron won because he alone promised that EU Referendum! And to use the vagaries of the UK's 'First Past the Post' electoral system that gave the SNP 56 MPs for half the votes that UKIP got that produced 1 MP hardly stands scrutiny! Cameron won to his own and the Tory parties surprise due to Labour having a weak leader, UKIP got 4 million votes because some of those voters believed Cameron wouldn't be in a position to actually deliver the referendum or trusted him to do so.. Oh and when did you ask those 4 million people why they voted as they did? Oh wait no you didn't and neither has anyone else ... The fact they put their 'X' in the UKIP box is all anyone needs to know." its not rocket science but then you know that.. | |||
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"People have the right to protest. I think a lot if people feel helpless as Britain slides into the shitter both economically and culturally due to Brexit. As many people pointed out though, it is pointless, we've collectively made our bed and we have to live with the decision. These protests are getting smaller as realisation of the inevebility sinks in. Now where's the New Zealand Visa form gone! Basically we have shit the bed and now need to just lay in it!
Once again a sad Remoaner shows their complete hatred for the UK and makes inane comments that are totally false. There have been NO economic reports on factual events that support your continued thesis on the affects of Brexit.
Indeed just today your favourite 'experts' IHS Markit, the people you paraded just weeks ago as so rock solid, had to back the 'Project Fear' truck up yet AGAIN:
"The Markit/CIPS purchasing managers' index (PMI) showed activity in UK services recorded the biggest month-on-month rise in the survey's history.
The index rose from 47.4 in July to 52.9 in August. A score above 50 indicates growth.
It effectively takes services back to pre-Brexit levels, Markit said."
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-37274279
So in two months this bunch of shits (to use your 'foecical' analogy) has gone form forecasting catastrophe, to force down the Pound and interest rates, to having to say 'Oops .. Sorry!'
How many more of your 'experts' confessing they had it wrong before you admit YOU have it so very wrong?"They quoted Steve Keen as one of the expert (wonderful thing is google!) .. without realising that Steve Keen supported Brexit! | |||
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" To be honest after that election resukt with no breakthrough for ukip, Cameron could have kicked the referendum into touch. The election was the true referendum You quietly ignore political reality. Cameron won because he alone promised that EU Referendum! And to use the vagaries of the UK's 'First Past the Post' electoral system that gave the SNP 56 MPs for half the votes that UKIP got that produced 1 MP hardly stands scrutiny! Cameron won to his own and the Tory parties surprise due to Labour having a weak leader, UKIP got 4 million votes because some of those voters believed Cameron wouldn't be in a position to actually deliver the referendum or trusted him to do so.. Oh and when did you ask those 4 million people why they voted as they did? Oh wait no you didn't and neither has anyone else ... The fact they put their 'X' in the UKIP box is all anyone needs to know." I was one of those people that voted UKIP at the last general election, I still voted UKIP despite Cameron offering an EU referendum. Plain and simple I never trusted David Cameron, a good result for UKIP was needed to pile more pressure on him to actually deliver the referendum. My number 1 reason for supporting and voting UKIP for years was because I wanted Britain out of the catastrophic EU. Someone else already said it on the thread "the EU is in its death throws". This is even more obvious now with the election results from Germany just the other day. Merkel is toast and the German version of UKIP is on the march. The EU is doomed I'm just (it's been doomed for years) I'm just astonished so many people seem to be blind to it. As a side note that someone said UKIP never won a single seat at the general election, you should be reminded that there are still ongoing police investigations into what happened in the Thanet South seat at the general election where a Tory beat Farage for the seat. It's looking more and more likely that the Tories had to cheat to win that seat in Thanet South and there are ongoing police investigations with the electoral commission into other seats around the country where tories may have broken election rules. | |||
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"People have the right to protest. I think a lot if people feel helpless as Britain slides into the shitter both economically and culturally due to Brexit. As many people pointed out though, it is pointless, we've collectively made our bed and we have to live with the decision. These protests are getting smaller as realisation of the inevebility sinks in. Now where's the New Zealand Visa form gone! Basically we have shit the bed and now need to just lay in it!
Once again a sad Remoaner shows their complete hatred for the UK and makes inane comments that are totally false. There have been NO economic reports on factual events that support your continued thesis on the affects of Brexit.
Indeed just today your favourite 'experts' IHS Markit, the people you paraded just weeks ago as so rock solid, had to back the 'Project Fear' truck up yet AGAIN:
"The Markit/CIPS purchasing managers' index (PMI) showed activity in UK services recorded the biggest month-on-month rise in the survey's history.
The index rose from 47.4 in July to 52.9 in August. A score above 50 indicates growth.
It effectively takes services back to pre-Brexit levels, Markit said."
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-37274279
So in two months this bunch of shits (to use your 'foecical' analogy) has gone form forecasting catastrophe, to force down the Pound and interest rates, to having to say 'Oops .. Sorry!'
How many more of your 'experts' confessing they had it wrong before you admit YOU have it so very wrong?
Make up your mind, before you said that they are morons and cant be trusted and are not experts.
So can we have a final decision on if you are going to accept that they know what they are talking about or not? "Not until we see their brier scores | |||
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"People have the right to protest." You also have the right to fart in a lift. It still makes you a twat. | |||
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"People have the right to protest. You also have the right to fart in a lift. It still makes you a twat. " yes but a twat who makes people laugh ..  | |||
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"People have the right to protest. I think a lot if people feel helpless as Britain slides into the shitter both economically and culturally due to Brexit. As many people pointed out though, it is pointless, we've collectively made our bed and we have to live with the decision. These protests are getting smaller as realisation of the inevebility sinks in. Now where's the New Zealand Visa form gone! Basically we have shit the bed and now need to just lay in it!
Once again a sad Remoaner shows their complete hatred for the UK and makes inane comments that are totally false. There have been NO economic reports on factual events that support your continued thesis on the affects of Brexit.
Indeed just today your favourite 'experts' IHS Markit, the people you paraded just weeks ago as so rock solid, had to back the 'Project Fear' truck up yet AGAIN:
"The Markit/CIPS purchasing managers' index (PMI) showed activity in UK services recorded the biggest month-on-month rise in the survey's history.
The index rose from 47.4 in July to 52.9 in August. A score above 50 indicates growth.
It effectively takes services back to pre-Brexit levels, Markit said."
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-37274279
So in two months this bunch of shits (to use your 'foecical' analogy) has gone form forecasting catastrophe, to force down the Pound and interest rates, to having to say 'Oops .. Sorry!'
How many more of your 'experts' confessing they had it wrong before you admit YOU have it so very wrong?
They quoted Steve Keen as one of the expert (wonderful thing is google!) .. without realising that Steve Keen supported Brexit! "Experts disagree with each other, and come to different conclusions, it doesn't mean that they are not experts. So although he may have supported Brexit, there are plenty who didn't. I was simply listing economists who had predicted the 2008 crash. | |||
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"People have the right to protest. I think a lot if people feel helpless as Britain slides into the shitter both economically and culturally due to Brexit. As many people pointed out though, it is pointless, we've collectively made our bed and we have to live with the decision. These protests are getting smaller as realisation of the inevebility sinks in. Now where's the New Zealand Visa form gone! Basically we have shit the bed and now need to just lay in it!
Once again a sad Remoaner shows their complete hatred for the UK and makes inane comments that are totally false. There have been NO economic reports on factual events that support your continued thesis on the affects of Brexit.
Indeed just today your favourite 'experts' IHS Markit, the people you paraded just weeks ago as so rock solid, had to back the 'Project Fear' truck up yet AGAIN:
"The Markit/CIPS purchasing managers' index (PMI) showed activity in UK services recorded the biggest month-on-month rise in the survey's history.
The index rose from 47.4 in July to 52.9 in August. A score above 50 indicates growth.
It effectively takes services back to pre-Brexit levels, Markit said."
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-37274279
So in two months this bunch of shits (to use your 'foecical' analogy) has gone form forecasting catastrophe, to force down the Pound and interest rates, to having to say 'Oops .. Sorry!'
How many more of your 'experts' confessing they had it wrong before you admit YOU have it so very wrong?
They quoted Steve Keen as one of the expert (wonderful thing is google!) .. without realising that Steve Keen supported Brexit!
Experts disagree with each other, and come to different conclusions, it doesn't mean that they are not experts. So although he may have supported Brexit, there are plenty who didn't. I was simply listing economists who had predicted the 2008 crash.
"Yes, you always quote 'the experts' in the context of people not believing those experts about how bad Brexit is. I asked you to name any of the experts that you believe about how wrong Brexit is that predicted the 2008 crash. You then named six experts that you've not named before, at least one of which was pro-Brexit. And also, if experts disagree with each other, then which of them are right? Or is it only the ones that you agree with? | |||
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"People have the right to protest. I think a lot if people feel helpless as Britain slides into the shitter both economically and culturally due to Brexit. As many people pointed out though, it is pointless, we've collectively made our bed and we have to live with the decision. These protests are getting smaller as realisation of the inevebility sinks in. Now where's the New Zealand Visa form gone! Basically we have shit the bed and now need to just lay in it!
Once again a sad Remoaner shows their complete hatred for the UK and makes inane comments that are totally false. There have been NO economic reports on factual events that support your continued thesis on the affects of Brexit.
Indeed just today your favourite 'experts' IHS Markit, the people you paraded just weeks ago as so rock solid, had to back the 'Project Fear' truck up yet AGAIN:
"The Markit/CIPS purchasing managers' index (PMI) showed activity in UK services recorded the biggest month-on-month rise in the survey's history.
The index rose from 47.4 in July to 52.9 in August. A score above 50 indicates growth.
It effectively takes services back to pre-Brexit levels, Markit said."
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-37274279
So in two months this bunch of shits (to use your 'foecical' analogy) has gone form forecasting catastrophe, to force down the Pound and interest rates, to having to say 'Oops .. Sorry!'
How many more of your 'experts' confessing they had it wrong before you admit YOU have it so very wrong?
They quoted Steve Keen as one of the expert (wonderful thing is google!) .. without realising that Steve Keen supported Brexit!
Experts disagree with each other, and come to different conclusions, it doesn't mean that they are not experts. So although he may have supported Brexit, there are plenty who didn't. I was simply listing economists who had predicted the 2008 crash.
Yes, you always quote 'the experts' in the context of people not believing those experts about how bad Brexit is. I asked you to name any of the experts that you believe about how wrong Brexit is that predicted the 2008 crash. You then named six experts that you've not named before, at least one of which was pro-Brexit.
And also, if experts disagree with each other, then which of them are right? Or is it only the ones that you agree with?"I just named a few that had predicted the crash. | |||
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"Thousands took to the streets today in a series of 'march for europe' rallies in protest against the referendum vote to leave the EU. The demonstrations in london, edinburgh, birmingham, oxford and cambridge are demanding a pause in the brexit process and call for tight economic, cultural, and social ties with the rest of europe, they were walking with the eu flag, whats your view of the march rallies? I think it is good, because it shows how divided britain is over brexit." ....and today a protest from the pro Brexit camp outside the houses of parliament in Westminster, waving banners which said some of the following phrases.... "Invoke article 50 now!" "We are the 52%" "No delay on EU exit" If Remainers can protest then Brexiters can protest to speed up our process of leaving the EU too. | |||
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" I was simply listing economists who had predicted the 2008 crash. Yes, you always quote 'the experts' in the context of people not believing those experts about how bad Brexit is. I asked you to name any of the experts that you believe about how wrong Brexit is that predicted the 2008 crash. You then named six experts that you've not named before, at least one of which was pro-Brexit. And also, if experts disagree with each other, then which of them are right? Or is it only the ones that you agree with? I just named a few that had predicted the crash." This was my question... which of the experts that you keep telling us to listen to, and that you put all of your faith in, forecast the global economic crash of 2008/09? And your answer included at least 1 pro-Brexit expert. You are always telling us to listen to the experts... because that is what you do... but now you say that experts have different opinions, and disagree with each other. Therefore, not all of the experts can be right. Don't you think it may be possible that you have taken the side of the experts who may actually have got it wrong? | |||
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"Lots of people would say the same thing about UKIP "UKIP stands for UK Independence Party. Their mission being to get us out of an undemocratic organisation. Marching to overturn a democratic result that some people didn't like is hardly the same | |||
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"Thousands took to the streets today in a series of 'march for europe' rallies in protest against the referendum vote to leave the EU. The demonstrations in london, edinburgh, birmingham, oxford and cambridge are demanding a pause in the brexit process and call for tight economic, cultural, and social ties with the rest of europe, they were walking with the eu flag, whats your view of the march rallies? I think it is good, because it shows how divided britain is over brexit. ....and today a protest from the pro Brexit camp outside the houses of parliament in Westminster, waving banners which said some of the following phrases.... "Invoke article 50 now!" "We are the 52%" "No delay on EU exit" If Remainers can protest then Brexiters can protest to speed up our process of leaving the EU too. " So do you consider those protesters a bunch of time wasting wankers as well? | |||
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" I was simply listing economists who had predicted the 2008 crash. Yes, you always quote 'the experts' in the context of people not believing those experts about how bad Brexit is. I asked you to name any of the experts that you believe about how wrong Brexit is that predicted the 2008 crash. You then named six experts that you've not named before, at least one of which was pro-Brexit. And also, if experts disagree with each other, then which of them are right? Or is it only the ones that you agree with? I just named a few that had predicted the crash. This was my question... which of the experts that you keep telling us to listen to, and that you put all of your faith in, forecast the global economic crash of 2008/09? And your answer included at least 1 pro-Brexit expert. You are always telling us to listen to the experts... because that is what you do... but now you say that experts have different opinions, and disagree with each other. Therefore, not all of the experts can be right. Don't you think it may be possible that you have taken the side of the experts who may actually have got it wrong? " I'll be honest and I didn't read your question properly and had thought you were just asking for economists who had predicted the crash, and so that's what I gave you. I could well have sided with the wrong economists, but I have decided the believe the overwhelming majority of them. Any how its going to take years if not decades to see the full impact of Brexit (which is still years away). If you had 5 Dr's tell you that you needed an operation to save your life, and one Dr who told you you didn't need it, would you go for it? If you had 4 aircraft engineers tell you that your plane wasn't air worthy, and another that said it would be fine, would you and your family take the flight? | |||
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"Lots of people would say the same thing about UKIP
UKIP stands for UK Independence Party. Their mission being to get us out of an undemocratic organisation.
Marching to overturn a democratic result that some people didn't like is hardly the same "That's because you don't know what the march was about. It wasn't about overturning the referendum. | |||
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" I was simply listing economists who had predicted the 2008 crash. Yes, you always quote 'the experts' in the context of people not believing those experts about how bad Brexit is. I asked you to name any of the experts that you believe about how wrong Brexit is that predicted the 2008 crash. You then named six experts that you've not named before, at least one of which was pro-Brexit. And also, if experts disagree with each other, then which of them are right? Or is it only the ones that you agree with? I just named a few that had predicted the crash. This was my question... which of the experts that you keep telling us to listen to, and that you put all of your faith in, forecast the global economic crash of 2008/09? And your answer included at least 1 pro-Brexit expert. You are always telling us to listen to the experts... because that is what you do... but now you say that experts have different opinions, and disagree with each other. Therefore, not all of the experts can be right. Don't you think it may be possible that you have taken the side of the experts who may actually have got it wrong? I'll be honest and I didn't read your question properly and had thought you were just asking for economists who had predicted the crash, and so that's what I gave you. I could well have sided with the wrong economists, but I have decided the believe the overwhelming majority of them. Any how its going to take years if not decades to see the full impact of Brexit (which is still years away). If you had 5 Dr's tell you that you needed an operation to save your life, and one Dr who told you you didn't need it, would you go for it? If you had 4 aircraft engineers tell you that your plane wasn't air worthy, and another that said it would be fine, would you and your family take the flight?" But the experts you have always quoted are the IMF, BOE, OECD, ECB, etc, etc... so how many of them predicted the crash? I'll give you a clue.... none. | |||
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"Thousands took to the streets today in a series of 'march for europe' rallies in protest against the referendum vote to leave the EU. The demonstrations in london, edinburgh, birmingham, oxford and cambridge are demanding a pause in the brexit process and call for tight economic, cultural, and social ties with the rest of europe, they were walking with the eu flag, whats your view of the march rallies? I think it is good, because it shows how divided britain is over brexit. ....and today a protest from the pro Brexit camp outside the houses of parliament in Westminster, waving banners which said some of the following phrases.... "Invoke article 50 now!" "We are the 52%" "No delay on EU exit" If Remainers can protest then Brexiters can protest to speed up our process of leaving the EU too. So do you consider those protesters a bunch of time wasting wankers as well? " I think you are confusing me with someone else? I never called anyone a timewasting wanker on this thread. 
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" I was simply listing economists who had predicted the 2008 crash. Yes, you always quote 'the experts' in the context of people not believing those experts about how bad Brexit is. I asked you to name any of the experts that you believe about how wrong Brexit is that predicted the 2008 crash. You then named six experts that you've not named before, at least one of which was pro-Brexit. And also, if experts disagree with each other, then which of them are right? Or is it only the ones that you agree with? I just named a few that had predicted the crash. This was my question... which of the experts that you keep telling us to listen to, and that you put all of your faith in, forecast the global economic crash of 2008/09? And your answer included at least 1 pro-Brexit expert. You are always telling us to listen to the experts... because that is what you do... but now you say that experts have different opinions, and disagree with each other. Therefore, not all of the experts can be right. Don't you think it may be possible that you have taken the side of the experts who may actually have got it wrong? I'll be honest and I didn't read your question properly and had thought you were just asking for economists who had predicted the crash, and so that's what I gave you. I could well have sided with the wrong economists, but I have decided the believe the overwhelming majority of them. Any how its going to take years if not decades to see the full impact of Brexit (which is still years away). If you had 5 Dr's tell you that you needed an operation to save your life, and one Dr who told you you didn't need it, would you go for it? If you had 4 aircraft engineers tell you that your plane wasn't air worthy, and another that said it would be fine, would you and your family take the flight? But the experts you have always quoted are the IMF, BOE, OECD, ECB, etc, etc... so how many of them predicted the crash? I'll give you a clue.... none." So you think I am the stupid one, for saying that people which BAs, MAs, PhDs, professorships and nobel prizes in economics, know more about economics than I do? You would think I was intelligent if I said that I know more about the economy than them, even though I have no professional experience, training or qualifications on the subject? Is that about the crux of it? | |||
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"Seems to me being but a simple soul that when someone who is an expert gets something wrong then they aren't such an expert after all ... Just saying .. "Personally if I lost $3.8bn in a hedge fund then I would stop considering myself an expert in economics but hey ho | |||
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" I was simply listing economists who had predicted the 2008 crash. Yes, you always quote 'the experts' in the context of people not believing those experts about how bad Brexit is. I asked you to name any of the experts that you believe about how wrong Brexit is that predicted the 2008 crash. You then named six experts that you've not named before, at least one of which was pro-Brexit. And also, if experts disagree with each other, then which of them are right? Or is it only the ones that you agree with? I just named a few that had predicted the crash. This was my question... which of the experts that you keep telling us to listen to, and that you put all of your faith in, forecast the global economic crash of 2008/09? And your answer included at least 1 pro-Brexit expert. You are always telling us to listen to the experts... because that is what you do... but now you say that experts have different opinions, and disagree with each other. Therefore, not all of the experts can be right. Don't you think it may be possible that you have taken the side of the experts who may actually have got it wrong? I'll be honest and I didn't read your question properly and had thought you were just asking for economists who had predicted the crash, and so that's what I gave you. I could well have sided with the wrong economists, but I have decided the believe the overwhelming majority of them. Any how its going to take years if not decades to see the full impact of Brexit (which is still years away). If you had 5 Dr's tell you that you needed an operation to save your life, and one Dr who told you you didn't need it, would you go for it? If you had 4 aircraft engineers tell you that your plane wasn't air worthy, and another that said it would be fine, would you and your family take the flight? But the experts you have always quoted are the IMF, BOE, OECD, ECB, etc, etc... so how many of them predicted the crash? I'll give you a clue.... none. So you think I am the stupid one, for saying that people which BAs, MAs, PhDs, professorships and nobel prizes in economics, know more about economics than I do? You would think I was intelligent if I said that I know more about the economy than them, even though I have no professional experience, training or qualifications on the subject? Is that about the crux of it? " Experts, with the majority of them of the same opinion/conclusions, have got it wrong before, you know...just look at our intelligence services and Iraq for a start. I haven't once said you're stupid, nor implied it. However, all of the experts you've consistently quoted on every single thread you've commented on or started were pro-remain, all of them predicted we would be plunged into a deep recession on the 24th June if we voted Brexit on the 23rd, all of them predicted another global economic crisis on 24th June if we voted Brexit, and none of them were able to predict the global crash of 2008, and all of them, one by one, are beginning to backtrack and change those predictions of doom. Deep recession by the end of the year? 3,000,000 jobs lost? 20% fall in house prices? Emergency budget? £30 Billion lost to the economy? £4,300 a year worse off? What I am saying is that maybe you should be questioning your judgement as to which of the experts advice and predictions you follow. Or listen to what they are saying now. And try looking on the positive side of Brexit. | |||
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" Poll Tax demonstrations worked. No they didn't. A bunnch of uneducated yobs being thugs didn't change anything. A change if government decided to change the name and tinker with the format. actually... it probably did... well not the demos as such, but the riots after helped focus the minds..... and then the realisation that people living in "tory" constituancys were going to be the big losers and the mps were so fearful of losing seats in the backlash saw the rebellion which killed it.... obviously its also part of the reason thatcher lost scotland as it was guinea pig'd on them first......" Thatcher lost the battle long before that with the miner strikes, sadly some younger Scots don't know what happened, simply too young or not born and have given Ruth Davidson a chance, but Tories are indeed as popular as Labour in Scotland, both are a lost cause as Kezia Dugdale has finished Labour off in Scotland due to her incompetence. | |||
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" I was simply listing economists who had predicted the 2008 crash. Yes, you always quote 'the experts' in the context of people not believing those experts about how bad Brexit is. I asked you to name any of the experts that you believe about how wrong Brexit is that predicted the 2008 crash. You then named six experts that you've not named before, at least one of which was pro-Brexit. And also, if experts disagree with each other, then which of them are right? Or is it only the ones that you agree with? I just named a few that had predicted the crash. This was my question... which of the experts that you keep telling us to listen to, and that you put all of your faith in, forecast the global economic crash of 2008/09? And your answer included at least 1 pro-Brexit expert. You are always telling us to listen to the experts... because that is what you do... but now you say that experts have different opinions, and disagree with each other. Therefore, not all of the experts can be right. Don't you think it may be possible that you have taken the side of the experts who may actually have got it wrong? I'll be honest and I didn't read your question properly and had thought you were just asking for economists who had predicted the crash, and so that's what I gave you. I could well have sided with the wrong economists, but I have decided the believe the overwhelming majority of them. Any how its going to take years if not decades to see the full impact of Brexit (which is still years away). If you had 5 Dr's tell you that you needed an operation to save your life, and one Dr who told you you didn't need it, would you go for it? If you had 4 aircraft engineers tell you that your plane wasn't air worthy, and another that said it would be fine, would you and your family take the flight? But the experts you have always quoted are the IMF, BOE, OECD, ECB, etc, etc... so how many of them predicted the crash? I'll give you a clue.... none. So you think I am the stupid one, for saying that people which BAs, MAs, PhDs, professorships and nobel prizes in economics, know more about economics than I do? You would think I was intelligent if I said that I know more about the economy than them, even though I have no professional experience, training or qualifications on the subject? Is that about the crux of it? Experts, with the majority of them of the same opinion/conclusions, have got it wrong before, you know...just look at our intelligence services and Iraq for a start. I haven't once said you're stupid, nor implied it. However, all of the experts you've consistently quoted on every single thread you've commented on or started were pro-remain, all of them predicted we would be plunged into a deep recession on the 24th June if we voted Brexit on the 23rd, all of them predicted another global economic crisis on 24th June if we voted Brexit, and none of them were able to predict the global crash of 2008, and all of them, one by one, are beginning to backtrack and change those predictions of doom. Deep recession by the end of the year? 3,000,000 jobs lost? 20% fall in house prices? Emergency budget? £30 Billion lost to the economy? £4,300 a year worse off? What I am saying is that maybe you should be questioning your judgement as to which of the experts advice and predictions you follow. Or listen to what they are saying now. And try looking on the positive side of Brexit. " That's simply not true, they were talking about Brexit which is still years away. As I said before, its going to take years, or more likely decades to fully see the impact of Brexit, be that positive, negative or a mixture of both. | |||
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" This was my question... which of the experts that you keep telling us to listen to, and that you put all of your faith in, forecast the global economic crash of 2008/09? I'll be honest and I didn't read your question properly.... And how can you trawl through so much expert opinion and make a judgement on all of that, when you can't even read a 28 word question properly?" Why are you more interested in what I think than what the experts say? And I dont just mean in economics, I mean in science, defence, security, the environment, research, the NHS, infrastructure etc. etc. | |||
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" I was simply listing economists who had predicted the 2008 crash. Yes, you always quote 'the experts' in the context of people not believing those experts about how bad Brexit is. I asked you to name any of the experts that you believe about how wrong Brexit is that predicted the 2008 crash. You then named six experts that you've not named before, at least one of which was pro-Brexit. And also, if experts disagree with each other, then which of them are right? Or is it only the ones that you agree with? I just named a few that had predicted the crash. This was my question... which of the experts that you keep telling us to listen to, and that you put all of your faith in, forecast the global economic crash of 2008/09? And your answer included at least 1 pro-Brexit expert. You are always telling us to listen to the experts... because that is what you do... but now you say that experts have different opinions, and disagree with each other. Therefore, not all of the experts can be right. Don't you think it may be possible that you have taken the side of the experts who may actually have got it wrong? I'll be honest and I didn't read your question properly and had thought you were just asking for economists who had predicted the crash, and so that's what I gave you. I could well have sided with the wrong economists, but I have decided the believe the overwhelming majority of them. Any how its going to take years if not decades to see the full impact of Brexit (which is still years away). If you had 5 Dr's tell you that you needed an operation to save your life, and one Dr who told you you didn't need it, would you go for it? If you had 4 aircraft engineers tell you that your plane wasn't air worthy, and another that said it would be fine, would you and your family take the flight? But the experts you have always quoted are the IMF, BOE, OECD, ECB, etc, etc... so how many of them predicted the crash? I'll give you a clue.... none. So you think I am the stupid one, for saying that people which BAs, MAs, PhDs, professorships and nobel prizes in economics, know more about economics than I do? You would think I was intelligent if I said that I know more about the economy than them, even though I have no professional experience, training or qualifications on the subject? Is that about the crux of it? Experts, with the majority of them of the same opinion/conclusions, have got it wrong before, you know...just look at our intelligence services and Iraq for a start. I haven't once said you're stupid, nor implied it. However, all of the experts you've consistently quoted on every single thread you've commented on or started were pro-remain, all of them predicted we would be plunged into a deep recession on the 24th June if we voted Brexit on the 23rd, all of them predicted another global economic crisis on 24th June if we voted Brexit, and none of them were able to predict the global crash of 2008, and all of them, one by one, are beginning to backtrack and change those predictions of doom. Deep recession by the end of the year? 3,000,000 jobs lost? 20% fall in house prices? Emergency budget? £30 Billion lost to the economy? £4,300 a year worse off? What I am saying is that maybe you should be questioning your judgement as to which of the experts advice and predictions you follow. Or listen to what they are saying now. And try looking on the positive side of Brexit. That's simply not true, they were talking about Brexit which is still years away. As I said before, its going to take years, or more likely decades to fully see the impact of Brexit, be that positive, negative or a mixture of both." So you are moaning/worried about something likely to be decades away that could be positive? How strange. And lets say decades from now there is a recession or whatever. Do you really think that it will be caused because the UK left the EU when it did? | |||
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" I was simply listing economists who had predicted the 2008 crash. Yes, you always quote 'the experts' in the context of people not believing those experts about how bad Brexit is. I asked you to name any of the experts that you believe about how wrong Brexit is that predicted the 2008 crash. You then named six experts that you've not named before, at least one of which was pro-Brexit. And also, if experts disagree with each other, then which of them are right? Or is it only the ones that you agree with? I just named a few that had predicted the crash. This was my question... which of the experts that you keep telling us to listen to, and that you put all of your faith in, forecast the global economic crash of 2008/09? And your answer included at least 1 pro-Brexit expert. You are always telling us to listen to the experts... because that is what you do... but now you say that experts have different opinions, and disagree with each other. Therefore, not all of the experts can be right. Don't you think it may be possible that you have taken the side of the experts who may actually have got it wrong? I'll be honest and I didn't read your question properly and had thought you were just asking for economists who had predicted the crash, and so that's what I gave you. I could well have sided with the wrong economists, but I have decided the believe the overwhelming majority of them. Any how its going to take years if not decades to see the full impact of Brexit (which is still years away). If you had 5 Dr's tell you that you needed an operation to save your life, and one Dr who told you you didn't need it, would you go for it? If you had 4 aircraft engineers tell you that your plane wasn't air worthy, and another that said it would be fine, would you and your family take the flight? But the experts you have always quoted are the IMF, BOE, OECD, ECB, etc, etc... so how many of them predicted the crash? I'll give you a clue.... none. So you think I am the stupid one, for saying that people which BAs, MAs, PhDs, professorships and nobel prizes in economics, know more about economics than I do? You would think I was intelligent if I said that I know more about the economy than them, even though I have no professional experience, training or qualifications on the subject? Is that about the crux of it? Experts, with the majority of them of the same opinion/conclusions, have got it wrong before, you know...just look at our intelligence services and Iraq for a start. I haven't once said you're stupid, nor implied it. However, all of the experts you've consistently quoted on every single thread you've commented on or started were pro-remain, all of them predicted we would be plunged into a deep recession on the 24th June if we voted Brexit on the 23rd, all of them predicted another global economic crisis on 24th June if we voted Brexit, and none of them were able to predict the global crash of 2008, and all of them, one by one, are beginning to backtrack and change those predictions of doom. Deep recession by the end of the year? 3,000,000 jobs lost? 20% fall in house prices? Emergency budget? £30 Billion lost to the economy? £4,300 a year worse off? What I am saying is that maybe you should be questioning your judgement as to which of the experts advice and predictions you follow. Or listen to what they are saying now. And try looking on the positive side of Brexit. That's simply not true, they were talking about Brexit which is still years away. As I said before, its going to take years, or more likely decades to fully see the impact of Brexit, be that positive, negative or a mixture of both. So you are moaning/worried about something likely to be decades away that could be positive? How strange. And lets say decades from now there is a recession or whatever. Do you really think that it will be caused because the UK left the EU when it did?" If we are looking at decades into the future then Turkey will most likely be a member of the EU then (if the EU by some miracle still exists). That is something I would be more concerned about as a European living in an EU member state than Brexit. | |||
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" If we are looking at decades into the future then Turkey will most likely be a member of the EU then (if the EU by some miracle still exists). That is something I would be more concerned about as a European living in an EU member state than Brexit. Why should that worry you? If you were really worried, then you wouldn't have voted away Britain's power to veto Turkey joining the EU." Let's be honest here, Britain's official position was to speed up Turkeys EU application, Cameron wanted Turkey to be a member. Britain would not have used a veto on Turkey joining. | |||
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" I was simply listing economists who had predicted the 2008 crash. Yes, you always quote 'the experts' in the context of people not believing those experts about how bad Brexit is. I asked you to name any of the experts that you believe about how wrong Brexit is that predicted the 2008 crash. You then named six experts that you've not named before, at least one of which was pro-Brexit. And also, if experts disagree with each other, then which of them are right? Or is it only the ones that you agree with? I just named a few that had predicted the crash. This was my question... which of the experts that you keep telling us to listen to, and that you put all of your faith in, forecast the global economic crash of 2008/09? And your answer included at least 1 pro-Brexit expert. You are always telling us to listen to the experts... because that is what you do... but now you say that experts have different opinions, and disagree with each other. Therefore, not all of the experts can be right. Don't you think it may be possible that you have taken the side of the experts who may actually have got it wrong? I'll be honest and I didn't read your question properly and had thought you were just asking for economists who had predicted the crash, and so that's what I gave you. I could well have sided with the wrong economists, but I have decided the believe the overwhelming majority of them. Any how its going to take years if not decades to see the full impact of Brexit (which is still years away). If you had 5 Dr's tell you that you needed an operation to save your life, and one Dr who told you you didn't need it, would you go for it? If you had 4 aircraft engineers tell you that your plane wasn't air worthy, and another that said it would be fine, would you and your family take the flight? But the experts you have always quoted are the IMF, BOE, OECD, ECB, etc, etc... so how many of them predicted the crash? I'll give you a clue.... none. So you think I am the stupid one, for saying that people which BAs, MAs, PhDs, professorships and nobel prizes in economics, know more about economics than I do? You would think I was intelligent if I said that I know more about the economy than them, even though I have no professional experience, training or qualifications on the subject? Is that about the crux of it? Experts, with the majority of them of the same opinion/conclusions, have got it wrong before, you know...just look at our intelligence services and Iraq for a start. I haven't once said you're stupid, nor implied it. However, all of the experts you've consistently quoted on every single thread you've commented on or started were pro-remain, all of them predicted we would be plunged into a deep recession on the 24th June if we voted Brexit on the 23rd, all of them predicted another global economic crisis on 24th June if we voted Brexit, and none of them were able to predict the global crash of 2008, and all of them, one by one, are beginning to backtrack and change those predictions of doom. Deep recession by the end of the year? 3,000,000 jobs lost? 20% fall in house prices? Emergency budget? £30 Billion lost to the economy? £4,300 a year worse off? What I am saying is that maybe you should be questioning your judgement as to which of the experts advice and predictions you follow. Or listen to what they are saying now. And try looking on the positive side of Brexit. That's simply not true, they were talking about Brexit which is still years away. As I said before, its going to take years, or more likely decades to fully see the impact of Brexit, be that positive, negative or a mixture of both." You've changed your tune. It was only a couple of weeks ago you was claiming Brexit had already fucked the entire global economy and the fleas of a thousand camels would immediately infest everyones armpits as a direct result. Or words to that effect anyway So you're now hedging your bets and saying that anything that happens over the next few decades is due to Brexit. Priceless, just priceless | |||
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" They quoted Steve Keen as one of the expert (wonderful thing is google!) .. without realising that Steve Keen supported Brexit! " . I'd recommended keens book debunking economics to anymore, he's brilliant at explaining complicated issues but he's not exactly liked by fellow economists he's also a big beliver in government over spending in recessions so you can't have him as your brexiter expert but then ignore him as your government spending expert, I say that because alot of "brexiters" tend to be the balanced books type as well!! | |||
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" They quoted Steve Keen as one of the expert (wonderful thing is google!) .. without realising that Steve Keen supported Brexit! . I'd recommended keens book debunking economics to anymore, he's brilliant at explaining complicated issues but he's not exactly liked by fellow economists he's also a big beliver in government over spending in recessions so you can't have him as your brexiter expert but then ignore him as your government spending expert, I say that because alot of "brexiters" tend to be the balanced books type as well!!" The way it used to work in recession was simple. The government built up a slush fund in times of prosperity and would release that money into the public sector for construction and such like during a recession to keep things ticking over and reduce the pain slightly. Unfortunately some Brown fella fucked that one up for generations to come | |||
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" You've changed your tune. It was only a couple of weeks ago you was claiming Brexit had already fucked the entire global economy and the fleas of a thousand camels would immediately infest everyones armpits as a direct result. Or words to that effect anyway So you're now hedging your bets and saying that anything that happens over the next few decades is due to Brexit. Priceless, just priceless "The Brexiters on this forum get more and more non-sensical by the day! You think all of the impact of Brexit has already happened more than two years BEFORE we have even left the EU? | |||
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" You've changed your tune. It was only a couple of weeks ago you was claiming Brexit had already fucked the entire global economy and the fleas of a thousand camels would immediately infest everyones armpits as a direct result. Or words to that effect anyway So you're now hedging your bets and saying that anything that happens over the next few decades is due to Brexit. Priceless, just priceless
The Brexiters on this forum get more and more non-sensical by the day! You think all of the impact of Brexit has already happened more than two years BEFORE we have even left the EU? "Many of the so called 'experts' you like to name said the act of voting to leave would be catastrophic though and the effects would be immediate. I think it's clear to all now (apart from you maybe) the experts were wrong in their predictions about that. | |||
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" You've changed your tune. It was only a couple of weeks ago you was claiming Brexit had already fucked the entire global economy and the fleas of a thousand camels would immediately infest everyones armpits as a direct result. Or words to that effect anyway So you're now hedging your bets and saying that anything that happens over the next few decades is due to Brexit. Priceless, just priceless
The Brexiters on this forum get more and more non-sensical by the day! You think all of the impact of Brexit has already happened more than two years BEFORE we have even left the EU?
Many of the so called 'experts' you like to name said the act of voting to leave would be catastrophic though and the effects would be immediate. I think it's clear to all now (apart from you maybe) the experts were wrong in their predictions about that. "(Cough cough, brier score, splutter) | |||
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" You've changed your tune. It was only a couple of weeks ago you was claiming Brexit had already fucked the entire global economy and the fleas of a thousand camels would immediately infest everyones armpits as a direct result. Or words to that effect anyway So you're now hedging your bets and saying that anything that happens over the next few decades is due to Brexit. Priceless, just priceless
The Brexiters on this forum get more and more non-sensical by the day! You think all of the impact of Brexit has already happened more than two years BEFORE we have even left the EU?
Many of the so called 'experts' you like to name said the act of voting to leave would be catastrophic though and the effects would be immediate. I think it's clear to all now (apart from you maybe) the experts were wrong in their predictions about that. "So the experts like NATO who said about it harming our defence, we now have a £700 million hole in our defence budget, so were they wrong? The Royal Society said that it would impact on research, and already British researchers have been cut out of projects, so were they wrong? How about the impact on the environment, maybe we should check with the Department of Energy and Climate Change, oh no we can't, because its been disbanded. And I guess I was just imagining the 10% fall in sterling and the lowest interest rates in the history of the bank of England, and £70 billion of monetary policy measures. | |||
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" They quoted Steve Keen as one of the expert (wonderful thing is google!) .. without realising that Steve Keen supported Brexit! . I'd recommended keens book debunking economics to anymore, he's brilliant at explaining complicated issues but he's not exactly liked by fellow economists he's also a big beliver in government over spending in recessions so you can't have him as your brexiter expert but then ignore him as your government spending expert, I say that because alot of "brexiters" tend to be the balanced books type as well!! The way it used to work in recession was simple. The government built up a slush fund in times of prosperity and would release that money into the public sector for construction and such like during a recession to keep things ticking over and reduce the pain slightly. Unfortunately some Brown fella fucked that one up for generations to come ". When was the last decade that the UK had a surplus? | |||
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" They quoted Steve Keen as one of the expert (wonderful thing is google!) .. without realising that Steve Keen supported Brexit! . I'd recommended keens book debunking economics to anymore, he's brilliant at explaining complicated issues but he's not exactly liked by fellow economists he's also a big beliver in government over spending in recessions so you can't have him as your brexiter expert but then ignore him as your government spending expert, I say that because alot of "brexiters" tend to be the balanced books type as well!! The way it used to work in recession was simple. The government built up a slush fund in times of prosperity and would release that money into the public sector for construction and such like during a recession to keep things ticking over and reduce the pain slightly. Unfortunately some Brown fella fucked that one up for generations to come .
When was the last decade that the UK had a surplus?"Well we had one from 1948 to 1974. But then we also had a lot of debt from WW2. 1976 to 1988 is pretty much all deficit. A few swings and roundabouts then labour start racking up the debt from 2002 before going full retard and bailing out the banks which just blows everything out the water. | |||
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" They quoted Steve Keen as one of the expert (wonderful thing is google!) .. without realising that Steve Keen supported Brexit! . I'd recommended keens book debunking economics to anymore, he's brilliant at explaining complicated issues but he's not exactly liked by fellow economists he's also a big beliver in government over spending in recessions so you can't have him as your brexiter expert but then ignore him as your government spending expert, I say that because alot of "brexiters" tend to be the balanced books type as well!! The way it used to work in recession was simple. The government built up a slush fund in times of prosperity and would release that money into the public sector for construction and such like during a recession to keep things ticking over and reduce the pain slightly. Unfortunately some Brown fella fucked that one up for generations to come .
When was the last decade that the UK had a surplus?
Well we had one from 1948 to 1974. But then we also had a lot of debt from WW2. 1976 to 1988 is pretty much all deficit. A few swings and roundabouts then labour start racking up the debt from 2002 before going full retard and bailing out the banks which just blows everything out the water. ". So from ww2 after we'd blown everything to shit, killed 30% of the population and everything needed replacing through to the greatest energy crises the world has ever seen..... How did we do it??? | |||
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" You've changed your tune. It was only a couple of weeks ago you was claiming Brexit had already fucked the entire global economy and the fleas of a thousand camels would immediately infest everyones armpits as a direct result. Or words to that effect anyway So you're now hedging your bets and saying that anything that happens over the next few decades is due to Brexit. Priceless, just priceless
The Brexiters on this forum get more and more non-sensical by the day! You think all of the impact of Brexit has already happened more than two years BEFORE we have even left the EU?
Many of the so called 'experts' you like to name said the act of voting to leave would be catastrophic though and the effects would be immediate. I think it's clear to all now (apart from you maybe) the experts were wrong in their predictions about that.
So the experts like NATO who said about it harming our defence, we now have a £700 million hole in our defence budget, so were they wrong?"Christ do give us a break from your stupidity! We do NOT have a £700 million black hole in our defence budget. The reports that were exaggerated in early August were put about by the RUSi. A bunch of 'experts' who campaigned for us to remain in the EU. In fairness they were not part of Project Fear. And of course one of the biggest spending Government departments never forward buys or 'hedges' currency does it? The reality is that 12 months ago the Pound was trading at $1.55. In January it was at $1.42. A drop of some $0.13 Cents. We didn't hear RUSi shouting about a 'Black Hole' then did we? For over 5 months the Pound then traded at about $1.41. It is today at $1.33. A drop of $0.08 Cents. So if a drop of some 8 Cents = a £700 Mn hole where the screams when in January there was an equivalent £1.14 BILLION 'Black Hole'? " The Royal Society said that it would impact on research, and already British researchers have been cut out of projects, so were they wrong?" The President Sir Venki Ramakrishnan of that Royal Society who you quote frequently has said the commitment from the new Chancellor to replace any lost EU funding up to 2020 is 'very welcome news' and “That is why this measure is so welcome because we have been hearing anecdotal reports of people not being willing to collaborate with certain UK organisations because they weren’t sure that they would be able to stay for the full duration of the grant" We already had this debate and you lost. So why return to it? " How about the impact on the environment, maybe we should check with the Department of Energy and Climate Change, oh no we can't, because its been disbanded." Well no it has been placed within another department. But are you honestly saying the UK which is ratifying the Paris Climate Accord independently needs the EU to manage its environment. Why is the EU allowing Germany to build huge new coal fired power stations then? Green Hypocrites like you are the worst kind. " And I guess I was just imagining the 10% fall in sterling and the lowest interest rates in the history of the bank of England, and £70 billion of monetary policy measures. " Sterling fell more in January than it has since the Referendum (see above) and we never saw you complaining did we? The Pound is now steadily moving up and is now about 5% down on the average value in 2016. Hypocrite. Low interest rates (0.5%) have been around since 2009 and we never saw you complaining then did we? And they only went lower because a bunch of speculating 'experts' at IHS Markit put out a string of crap that has now been shown for what it was. CRAP! Hypocrite. You really do not understand economics too well do you? QE is a set of investments made by the B of E to force commercial investors to widen their purchases. In time the Bonds purchased produce yields and a profit. As they did from 2009. Again we had all this before and you were proved wrong. So bottom line is your Thesis of Brexit catastrophe is in the shitter. Again. | |||
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" They quoted Steve Keen as one of the expert (wonderful thing is google!) .. without realising that Steve Keen supported Brexit! . I'd recommended keens book debunking economics to anymore, he's brilliant at explaining complicated issues but he's not exactly liked by fellow economists he's also a big beliver in government over spending in recessions so you can't have him as your brexiter expert but then ignore him as your government spending expert, I say that because alot of "brexiters" tend to be the balanced books type as well!! The way it used to work in recession was simple. The government built up a slush fund in times of prosperity and would release that money into the public sector for construction and such like during a recession to keep things ticking over and reduce the pain slightly. Unfortunately some Brown fella fucked that one up for generations to come .
When was the last decade that the UK had a surplus?
Well we had one from 1948 to 1974. But then we also had a lot of debt from WW2. 1976 to 1988 is pretty much all deficit. A few swings and roundabouts then labour start racking up the debt from 2002 before going full retard and bailing out the banks which just blows everything out the water. .
So from ww2 after we'd blown everything to shit, killed 30% of the population and everything needed replacing through to the greatest energy crises the world has ever seen..... How did we do it???"Err I'm guessing no banks got bailouts in those years... you tell me? | |||
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" They quoted Steve Keen as one of the expert (wonderful thing is google!) .. without realising that Steve Keen supported Brexit! . I'd recommended keens book debunking economics to anymore, he's brilliant at explaining complicated issues but he's not exactly liked by fellow economists he's also a big beliver in government over spending in recessions so you can't have him as your brexiter expert but then ignore him as your government spending expert, I say that because alot of "brexiters" tend to be the balanced books type as well!! The way it used to work in recession was simple. The government built up a slush fund in times of prosperity and would release that money into the public sector for construction and such like during a recession to keep things ticking over and reduce the pain slightly. Unfortunately some Brown fella fucked that one up for generations to come .
When was the last decade that the UK had a surplus?"Its not about a surplus its about having money to pump into the publuc sector, which we no longer have. You'll understand when you're out of nappies | |||
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" You've changed your tune. It was only a couple of weeks ago you was claiming Brexit had already fucked the entire global economy and the fleas of a thousand camels would immediately infest everyones armpits as a direct result. Or words to that effect anyway So you're now hedging your bets and saying that anything that happens over the next few decades is due to Brexit. Priceless, just priceless
The Brexiters on this forum get more and more non-sensical by the day! You think all of the impact of Brexit has already happened more than two years BEFORE we have even left the EU?
Many of the so called 'experts' you like to name said the act of voting to leave would be catastrophic though and the effects would be immediate. I think it's clear to all now (apart from you maybe) the experts were wrong in their predictions about that.
So the experts like NATO who said about it harming our defence, we now have a £700 million hole in our defence budget, so were they wrong?
Christ do give us a break from your stupidity! We do NOT have a £700 million black hole in our defence budget. The reports that were exaggerated in early August were put about by the RUSi. A bunch of 'experts' who campaigned for us to remain in the EU. In fairness they were not part of Project Fear. And of course one of the biggest spending Government departments never forward buys or 'hedges' currency does it?
The reality is that 12 months ago the Pound was trading at $1.55. In January it was at $1.42. A drop of some $0.13 Cents. We didn't hear RUSi shouting about a 'Black Hole' then did we?
For over 5 months the Pound then traded at about $1.41. It is today at $1.33. A drop of $0.08 Cents. So if a drop of some 8 Cents = a £700 Mn hole where the screams when in January there was an equivalent £1.14 BILLION 'Black Hole'?
The Royal Society said that it would impact on research, and already British researchers have been cut out of projects, so were they wrong?
The President Sir Venki Ramakrishnan of that Royal Society who you quote frequently has said the commitment from the new Chancellor to replace any lost EU funding up to 2020 is 'very welcome news' and “That is why this measure is so welcome because we have been hearing anecdotal reports of people not being willing to collaborate with certain UK organisations because they weren’t sure that they would be able to stay for the full duration of the grant" We already had this debate and you lost. So why return to it?
How about the impact on the environment, maybe we should check with the Department of Energy and Climate Change, oh no we can't, because its been disbanded.
Well no it has been placed within another department. But are you honestly saying the UK which is ratifying the Paris Climate Accord independently needs the EU to manage its environment. Why is the EU allowing Germany to build huge new coal fired power stations then?
Green Hypocrites like you are the worst kind.
And I guess I was just imagining the 10% fall in sterling and the lowest interest rates in the history of the bank of England, and £70 billion of monetary policy measures.
Sterling fell more in January than it has since the Referendum (see above) and we never saw you complaining did we? The Pound is now steadily moving up and is now about 5% down on the average value in 2016.
Hypocrite.
Low interest rates (0.5%) have been around since 2009 and we never saw you complaining then did we? And they only went lower because a bunch of speculating 'experts' at IHS Markit put out a string of crap that has now been shown for what it was. CRAP!
Hypocrite.
You really do not understand economics too well do you? QE is a set of investments made by the B of E to force commercial investors to widen their purchases. In time the Bonds purchased produce yields and a profit. As they did from 2009. Again we had all this before and you were proved wrong.
So bottom line is your Thesis of Brexit catastrophe is in the shitter. Again.
"Why do I get the feeling you are going to spend the next twenty years with your fingers in your ears saying "nah nah nah, I can't hear you" as more and more bad news about Brexit comes in?
Even in your quote from the Royal Society you prove the very point that I am making, that it has already had a negative impact.
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" You've changed your tune. It was only a couple of weeks ago you was claiming Brexit had already fucked the entire global economy and the fleas of a thousand camels would immediately infest everyones armpits as a direct result. Or words to that effect anyway So you're now hedging your bets and saying that anything that happens over the next few decades is due to Brexit. Priceless, just priceless
The Brexiters on this forum get more and more non-sensical by the day! You think all of the impact of Brexit has already happened more than two years BEFORE we have even left the EU?
Many of the so called 'experts' you like to name said the act of voting to leave would be catastrophic though and the effects would be immediate. I think it's clear to all now (apart from you maybe) the experts were wrong in their predictions about that.
So the experts like NATO who said about it harming our defence, we now have a £700 million hole in our defence budget, so were they wrong?
Christ do give us a break from your stupidity! We do NOT have a £700 million black hole in our defence budget. The reports that were exaggerated in early August were put about by the RUSi. A bunch of 'experts' who campaigned for us to remain in the EU. In fairness they were not part of Project Fear. And of course one of the biggest spending Government departments never forward buys or 'hedges' currency does it?
The reality is that 12 months ago the Pound was trading at $1.55. In January it was at $1.42. A drop of some $0.13 Cents. We didn't hear RUSi shouting about a 'Black Hole' then did we?
For over 5 months the Pound then traded at about $1.41. It is today at $1.33. A drop of $0.08 Cents. So if a drop of some 8 Cents = a £700 Mn hole where the screams when in January there was an equivalent £1.14 BILLION 'Black Hole'?
The Royal Society said that it would impact on research, and already British researchers have been cut out of projects, so were they wrong?
The President Sir Venki Ramakrishnan of that Royal Society who you quote frequently has said the commitment from the new Chancellor to replace any lost EU funding up to 2020 is 'very welcome news' and “That is why this measure is so welcome because we have been hearing anecdotal reports of people not being willing to collaborate with certain UK organisations because they weren’t sure that they would be able to stay for the full duration of the grant" We already had this debate and you lost. So why return to it?
How about the impact on the environment, maybe we should check with the Department of Energy and Climate Change, oh no we can't, because its been disbanded.
Well no it has been placed within another department. But are you honestly saying the UK which is ratifying the Paris Climate Accord independently needs the EU to manage its environment. Why is the EU allowing Germany to build huge new coal fired power stations then?
Green Hypocrites like you are the worst kind.
And I guess I was just imagining the 10% fall in sterling and the lowest interest rates in the history of the bank of England, and £70 billion of monetary policy measures.
Sterling fell more in January than it has since the Referendum (see above) and we never saw you complaining did we? The Pound is now steadily moving up and is now about 5% down on the average value in 2016.
Hypocrite.
Low interest rates (0.5%) have been around since 2009 and we never saw you complaining then did we? And they only went lower because a bunch of speculating 'experts' at IHS Markit put out a string of crap that has now been shown for what it was. CRAP!
Hypocrite.
You really do not understand economics too well do you? QE is a set of investments made by the B of E to force commercial investors to widen their purchases. In time the Bonds purchased produce yields and a profit. As they did from 2009. Again we had all this before and you were proved wrong.
So bottom line is your Thesis of Brexit catastrophe is in the shitter. Again.
Why do I get the feeling you are going to spend the next twenty years with your fingers in your ears saying "nah nah nah, I can't hear you" as more and more bad news about Brexit comes in?
Even in your quote from the Royal Society you prove the very point that I am making, that it has already had a negative impact.
Just out of interest, please can you name 1 single individual that 1) you consider to be an expert in their field, 2) wasn't part of "project fear" and 3) thought that Remain was a good idea? Is there anyone at all? "there has been no bad news about Brexit has there? No ACTUAL FACTUAL bad news. On the contrary, there has been plenty of good news. But oh, hang on, thats because we haven't had Brexit yet eh | |||
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" You've changed your tune. It was only a couple of weeks ago you was claiming Brexit had already fucked the entire global economy and the fleas of a thousand camels would immediately infest everyones armpits as a direct result. Or words to that effect anyway So you're now hedging your bets and saying that anything that happens over the next few decades is due to Brexit. Priceless, just priceless
The Brexiters on this forum get more and more non-sensical by the day! You think all of the impact of Brexit has already happened more than two years BEFORE we have even left the EU?
Many of the so called 'experts' you like to name said the act of voting to leave would be catastrophic though and the effects would be immediate. I think it's clear to all now (apart from you maybe) the experts were wrong in their predictions about that.
So the experts like NATO who said about it harming our defence, we now have a £700 million hole in our defence budget, so were they wrong?
Christ do give us a break from your stupidity! We do NOT have a £700 million black hole in our defence budget. The reports that were exaggerated in early August were put about by the RUSi. A bunch of 'experts' who campaigned for us to remain in the EU. In fairness they were not part of Project Fear. And of course one of the biggest spending Government departments never forward buys or 'hedges' currency does it?
The reality is that 12 months ago the Pound was trading at $1.55. In January it was at $1.42. A drop of some $0.13 Cents. We didn't hear RUSi shouting about a 'Black Hole' then did we?
For over 5 months the Pound then traded at about $1.41. It is today at $1.33. A drop of $0.08 Cents. So if a drop of some 8 Cents = a £700 Mn hole where the screams when in January there was an equivalent £1.14 BILLION 'Black Hole'?
The Royal Society said that it would impact on research, and already British researchers have been cut out of projects, so were they wrong?
The President Sir Venki Ramakrishnan of that Royal Society who you quote frequently has said the commitment from the new Chancellor to replace any lost EU funding up to 2020 is 'very welcome news' and “That is why this measure is so welcome because we have been hearing anecdotal reports of people not being willing to collaborate with certain UK organisations because they weren’t sure that they would be able to stay for the full duration of the grant" We already had this debate and you lost. So why return to it?
How about the impact on the environment, maybe we should check with the Department of Energy and Climate Change, oh no we can't, because its been disbanded.
Well no it has been placed within another department. But are you honestly saying the UK which is ratifying the Paris Climate Accord independently needs the EU to manage its environment. Why is the EU allowing Germany to build huge new coal fired power stations then?
Green Hypocrites like you are the worst kind.
And I guess I was just imagining the 10% fall in sterling and the lowest interest rates in the history of the bank of England, and £70 billion of monetary policy measures.
Sterling fell more in January than it has since the Referendum (see above) and we never saw you complaining did we? The Pound is now steadily moving up and is now about 5% down on the average value in 2016.
Hypocrite.
Low interest rates (0.5%) have been around since 2009 and we never saw you complaining then did we? And they only went lower because a bunch of speculating 'experts' at IHS Markit put out a string of crap that has now been shown for what it was. CRAP!
Hypocrite.
You really do not understand economics too well do you? QE is a set of investments made by the B of E to force commercial investors to widen their purchases. In time the Bonds purchased produce yields and a profit. As they did from 2009. Again we had all this before and you were proved wrong.
So bottom line is your Thesis of Brexit catastrophe is in the shitter. Again.
Why do I get the feeling you are going to spend the next twenty years with your fingers in your ears saying "nah nah nah, I can't hear you" as more and more bad news about Brexit comes in?
Even in your quote from the Royal Society you prove the very point that I am making, that it has already had a negative impact.
Just out of interest, please can you name 1 single individual that 1) you consider to be an expert in their field, 2) wasn't part of "project fear" and 3) thought that Remain was a good idea? Is there anyone at all? "1- Steve Keen- Economics 2- Wasn't part of Project Fear 3- Oops! He actually thinks Brexit is a good idea. | |||
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" They quoted Steve Keen as one of the expert (wonderful thing is google!) .. without realising that Steve Keen supported Brexit! . I'd recommended keens book debunking economics to anymore, he's brilliant at explaining complicated issues but he's not exactly liked by fellow economists he's also a big beliver in government over spending in recessions so you can't have him as your brexiter expert but then ignore him as your government spending expert, I say that because alot of "brexiters" tend to be the balanced books type as well!! The way it used to work in recession was simple. The government built up a slush fund in times of prosperity and would release that money into the public sector for construction and such like during a recession to keep things ticking over and reduce the pain slightly. Unfortunately some Brown fella fucked that one up for generations to come .
When was the last decade that the UK had a surplus?
Well we had one from 1948 to 1974. But then we also had a lot of debt from WW2. 1976 to 1988 is pretty much all deficit. A few swings and roundabouts then labour start racking up the debt from 2002 before going full retard and bailing out the banks which just blows everything out the water. .
So from ww2 after we'd blown everything to shit, killed 30% of the population and everything needed replacing through to the greatest energy crises the world has ever seen..... How did we do it???
Err I'm guessing no banks got bailouts in those years... you tell me? ". Let's examine the facts of the time!. 1 we had a lot of work to do(we'd just blown everywhere to shit). 2 we had extremely cheap energy(coal was still a good factor and oil was ridiculously cheap, about the equivalent of 10 dollars a barrel). 3 market forces meant that labour was hard to come by thereby driving up wages(we'd just killed half the working age men in Europe and put to work for the first time ever alot of women). This allowed people to buy shit!!! 4 private debt didn't exist at all and allowed for massive expansion therefore creating money.... Lots and lots of money!.... This allowed people to buy even more shit!! 5 wealthy people and wealthy companies payed their taxes(which were about 40% higher than today) because they had no other option other than running off to shit holes that would routinely blow up and kill yer! . . You know this, it's not rocket science.... It's like asking how did pep win the Spanish league and dominate footy with the genius talent he inherited????? It's a mystery | |||
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" They quoted Steve Keen as one of the expert (wonderful thing is google!) .. without realising that Steve Keen supported Brexit! . I'd recommended keens book debunking economics to anymore, he's brilliant at explaining complicated issues but he's not exactly liked by fellow economists he's also a big beliver in government over spending in recessions so you can't have him as your brexiter expert but then ignore him as your government spending expert, I say that because alot of "brexiters" tend to be the balanced books type as well!! The way it used to work in recession was simple. The government built up a slush fund in times of prosperity and would release that money into the public sector for construction and such like during a recession to keep things ticking over and reduce the pain slightly. Unfortunately some Brown fella fucked that one up for generations to come .
When was the last decade that the UK had a surplus?
Its not about a surplus its about having money to pump into the publuc sector, which we no longer have. You'll understand when you're out of nappies ". If you run a surplus your taking money out of the economy,a ten billon pound surplus means the economy has to find ten billon a year just to remain as the status quo... That's just a fact. If you run a ten billon deficit your putting ten billon extra into the economy and therefore stimulating growth, although I would add.... It comes down to how you spend the ten billon to get your best returns or.... Stimulus | |||
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" Why do I get the feeling you are going to spend the next twenty years with your fingers in your ears saying "nah nah nah, I can't hear you" as more and more bad news about Brexit comes in? " Well when we have some bad news (FACTUAL news that is not 'forecasts') then we will see if I need to do that OK. " Even in your quote from the Royal Society you prove the very point that I am making, that it has already had a negative impact." errr .. the President of the Royal Society said it was all good news. And referred to 'anecdotal evidence'. Or as I call it 'rumours'. God you are REALLY struggling now.... "Just out of interest, please can you name 1 single individual that 1) you consider to be an expert in their field, 2) wasn't part of "project fear" and 3) thought that Remain was a good idea? Is there anyone at all?" Well given the crap so called 'experts' have dished out so far over Brexit I think we have had enough failures. The point is that it isn't me or us 'Brexiters' that are whinging and making up utter crap like you and your 'Remoaner' friends. We do not need 'experts'. We have the facts of every day events .... And I note you failed to respond to any of the points you raised and I just destroyed. Game over. Thesis in the toilet and another failure on your part. Same s**t different day... | |||
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" They quoted Steve Keen as one of the expert (wonderful thing is google!) .. without realising that Steve Keen supported Brexit! . I'd recommended keens book debunking economics to anymore, he's brilliant at explaining complicated issues but he's not exactly liked by fellow economists he's also a big beliver in government over spending in recessions so you can't have him as your brexiter expert but then ignore him as your government spending expert, I say that because alot of "brexiters" tend to be the balanced books type as well!! The way it used to work in recession was simple. The government built up a slush fund in times of prosperity and would release that money into the public sector for construction and such like during a recession to keep things ticking over and reduce the pain slightly. Unfortunately some Brown fella fucked that one up for generations to come .
When was the last decade that the UK had a surplus?
Its not about a surplus its about having money to pump into the publuc sector, which we no longer have. You'll understand when you're out of nappies .
If you run a surplus your taking money out of the economy,a ten billon pound surplus means the economy has to find ten billon a year just to remain as the status quo... That's just a fact.
If you run a ten billon deficit your putting ten billon extra into the economy and therefore stimulating growth, although I would add.... It comes down to how you spend the ten billon to get your best returns or.... Stimulus"I fear you are not too good at economics mate: A deficit is a loss. An overdraft. A debt. A Surplus is a profit. A credit. If a country runs a deficit year after year then you build up a mountain of debt. Like Labour did under Gordon Brown. That debt has to be a) borrowed, b) interest paid on it and then c) repaid. We run a deficit. Germany runs a surplus. Which do you think is the stronger economy? | |||
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When was the last decade that the UK had a surplus?
Its not about a surplus its about having money to pump into the publuc sector, which we no longer have. You'll understand when you're out of nappies .
If you run a surplus your taking money out of the economy,a ten billon pound surplus means the economy has to find ten billon a year just to remain as the status quo... That's just a fact.
If you run a ten billon deficit your putting ten billon extra into the economy and therefore stimulating growth, although I would add.... It comes down to how you spend the ten billon to get your best returns or.... Stimulus
I fear you are not too good at economics mate:
A deficit is a loss. An overdraft. A debt.
A Surplus is a profit. A credit.
If a country runs a deficit year after year then you build up a mountain of debt. Like Labour did under Gordon Brown. That debt has to be a) borrowed, b) interest paid on it and then c) repaid.
We run a deficit. Germany runs a surplus. Which do you think is the stronger economy?"You fail to mention your puppet friend George Osborne in all of this, how is he doing now? Is he being recruited for the A-team | |||
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" They quoted Steve Keen as one of the expert (wonderful thing is google!) .. without realising that Steve Keen supported Brexit! . I'd recommended keens book debunking economics to anymore, he's brilliant at explaining complicated issues but he's not exactly liked by fellow economists he's also a big beliver in government over spending in recessions so you can't have him as your brexiter expert but then ignore him as your government spending expert, I say that because alot of "brexiters" tend to be the balanced books type as well!! The way it used to work in recession was simple. The government built up a slush fund in times of prosperity and would release that money into the public sector for construction and such like during a recession to keep things ticking over and reduce the pain slightly. Unfortunately some Brown fella fucked that one up for generations to come .
When was the last decade that the UK had a surplus?
Its not about a surplus its about having money to pump into the publuc sector, which we no longer have. You'll understand when you're out of nappies .
If you run a surplus your taking money out of the economy,a ten billon pound surplus means the economy has to find ten billon a year just to remain as the status quo... That's just a fact.
If you run a ten billon deficit your putting ten billon extra into the economy and therefore stimulating growth, although I would add.... It comes down to how you spend the ten billon to get your best returns or.... Stimulus
I fear you are not too good at economics mate:
A deficit is a loss. An overdraft. A debt.
A Surplus is a profit. A credit.
If a country runs a deficit year after year then you build up a mountain of debt. Like Labour did under Gordon Brown. That debt has to be a) borrowed, b) interest paid on it and then c) repaid.
We run a deficit. Germany runs a surplus. Which do you think is the stronger economy?". Think of it like a company tax ... Your output of work brings in money and every year you pay tax, let's call that tax the government surplus, you have to find that money every year from your work and then hand it over, the government is taking money out of your business into the government surplus. Now imagine times are hard and the government is now paying you 20% in a tax rebate, that's government running deficit, there putting money into the economy.... I'm not really explaining it as well as keen does but if you think about fractional reserve banking where money is created through debt you can see how government deficits are direct simulas in recessions,i mean the last thing you should be doing in a recession is taking even more money out of the economy which is what government surplus does. Like I said I'd recommended his book it's really really good | |||
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" They quoted Steve Keen as one of the expert (wonderful thing is google!) .. without realising that Steve Keen supported Brexit! . I'd recommended keens book debunking economics to anymore, he's brilliant at explaining complicated issues but he's not exactly liked by fellow economists he's also a big beliver in government over spending in recessions so you can't have him as your brexiter expert but then ignore him as your government spending expert, I say that because alot of "brexiters" tend to be the balanced books type as well!! The way it used to work in recession was simple. The government built up a slush fund in times of prosperity and would release that money into the public sector for construction and such like during a recession to keep things ticking over and reduce the pain slightly. Unfortunately some Brown fella fucked that one up for generations to come .
When was the last decade that the UK had a surplus?
Its not about a surplus its about having money to pump into the publuc sector, which we no longer have. You'll understand when you're out of nappies .
If you run a surplus your taking money out of the economy,a ten billon pound surplus means the economy has to find ten billon a year just to remain as the status quo... That's just a fact.
If you run a ten billon deficit your putting ten billon extra into the economy and therefore stimulating growth, although I would add.... It comes down to how you spend the ten billon to get your best returns or.... Stimulus
I fear you are not too good at economics mate:
A deficit is a loss. An overdraft. A debt.
A Surplus is a profit. A credit.
If a country runs a deficit year after year then you build up a mountain of debt. Like Labour did under Gordon Brown. That debt has to be a) borrowed, b) interest paid on it and then c) repaid.
We run a deficit. Germany runs a surplus. Which do you think is the stronger economy?.
Think of it like a company tax ...
Your output of work brings in money and every year you pay tax, let's call that tax the government surplus, you have to find that money every year from your work and then hand it over, the government is taking money out of your business into the government surplus.
Now imagine times are hard and the government is now paying you 20% in a tax rebate, that's government running deficit, there putting money into the economy.... I'm not really explaining it as well as keen does but if you think about fractional reserve banking where money is created through debt you can see how government deficits are direct simulas in recessions,i mean the last thing you should be doing in a recession is taking even more money out of the economy which is what government surplus does.
Like I said I'd recommended his book it's really really good
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" They quoted Steve Keen as one of the expert (wonderful thing is google!) .. without realising that Steve Keen supported Brexit! . I'd recommended keens book debunking economics to anymore, he's brilliant at explaining complicated issues but he's not exactly liked by fellow economists he's also a big beliver in government over spending in recessions so you can't have him as your brexiter expert but then ignore him as your government spending expert, I say that because alot of "brexiters" tend to be the balanced books type as well!! The way it used to work in recession was simple. The government built up a slush fund in times of prosperity and would release that money into the public sector for construction and such like during a recession to keep things ticking over and reduce the pain slightly. Unfortunately some Brown fella fucked that one up for generations to come .
When was the last decade that the UK had a surplus?
Its not about a surplus its about having money to pump into the publuc sector, which we no longer have. You'll understand when you're out of nappies .
If you run a surplus your taking money out of the economy,a ten billon pound surplus means the economy has to find ten billon a year just to remain as the status quo... That's just a fact.
If you run a ten billon deficit your putting ten billon extra into the economy and therefore stimulating growth, although I would add.... It comes down to how you spend the ten billon to get your best returns or.... Stimulus
I fear you are not too good at economics mate:
A deficit is a loss. An overdraft. A debt.
A Surplus is a profit. A credit.
If a country runs a deficit year after year then you build up a mountain of debt. Like Labour did under Gordon Brown. That debt has to be a) borrowed, b) interest paid on it and then c) repaid.
We run a deficit. Germany runs a surplus. Which do you think is the stronger economy?.
Think of it like a company tax ...
Your output of work brings in money and every year you pay tax, let's call that tax the government surplus, you have to find that money every year from your work and then hand it over, the government is taking money out of your business into the government surplus.
Now imagine times are hard and the government is now paying you 20% in a tax rebate, that's government running deficit, there putting money into the economy.... I'm not really explaining it as well as keen does but if you think about fractional reserve banking where money is created through debt you can see how government deficits are direct simulas in recessions,i mean the last thing you should be doing in a recession is taking even more money out of the economy which is what government surplus does.
Like I said I'd recommended his book it's really really good
It seems like you are assuming that prosperity (i.e is my life getting better) is correlated with GDP (i.e how much activity is going on in the economy) or the money supply. In my opinion, the richer a country gets then the weaker the correlation gets.
What lefties don't seem to understand, is that the sheer volume of spending isn't as important as what you spend it on. If the simple act of government spending money generated prosperity then North Koreans would be living large. ". I pointed that out!. And I've been banging on about infrastructure spending for like.. Forever .
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When was the last decade that the UK had a surplus?
Its not about a surplus its about having money to pump into the publuc sector, which we no longer have. You'll understand when you're out of nappies .
If you run a surplus your taking money out of the economy,a ten billon pound surplus means the economy has to find ten billon a year just to remain as the status quo... That's just a fact.
If you run a ten billon deficit your putting ten billon extra into the economy and therefore stimulating growth, although I would add.... It comes down to how you spend the ten billon to get your best returns or.... Stimulus
I fear you are not too good at economics mate:
A deficit is a loss. An overdraft. A debt.
A Surplus is a profit. A credit.
If a country runs a deficit year after year then you build up a mountain of debt. Like Labour did under Gordon Brown. That debt has to be a) borrowed, b) interest paid on it and then c) repaid.
We run a deficit. Germany runs a surplus. Which do you think is the stronger economy?.
Think of it like a company tax ...
Your output of work brings in money and every year you pay tax, let's call that tax the government surplus, you have to find that money every year from your work and then hand it over, the government is taking money out of your business into the government surplus.
Now imagine times are hard and the government is now paying you 20% in a tax rebate, that's government running deficit, there putting money into the economy.... I'm not really explaining it as well as keen does but if you think about fractional reserve banking where money is created through debt you can see how government deficits are direct simulas in recessions,i mean the last thing you should be doing in a recession is taking even more money out of the economy which is what government surplus does.
Like I said I'd recommended his book it's really really good
It seems like you are assuming that prosperity (i.e is my life getting better) is correlated with GDP (i.e how much activity is going on in the economy) or the money supply. In my opinion, the richer a country gets then the weaker the correlation gets.
What lefties don't seem to understand, is that the sheer volume of spending isn't as important as what you spend it on. If the simple act of government spending money generated prosperity then North Koreans would be living large. .
I pointed that out!.
And I've been banging on about infrastructure spending for like.. Forever .
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" Why do I get the feeling you are going to spend the next twenty years with your fingers in your ears saying "nah nah nah, I can't hear you" as more and more bad news about Brexit comes in? Well when we have some bad news (FACTUAL news that is not 'forecasts') then we will see if I need to do that OK. Even in your quote from the Royal Society you prove the very point that I am making, that it has already had a negative impact. errr .. the President of the Royal Society said it was all good news. And referred to 'anecdotal evidence'. Or as I call it 'rumours'. God you are REALLY struggling now.... Just out of interest, please can you name 1 single individual that 1) you consider to be an expert in their field, 2) wasn't part of "project fear" and 3) thought that Remain was a good idea? Is there anyone at all? Well given the crap so called 'experts' have dished out so far over Brexit I think we have had enough failures. The point is that it isn't me or us 'Brexiters' that are whinging and making up utter crap like you and your 'Remoaner' friends. We do not need 'experts'. We have the facts of every day events .... And I note you failed to respond to any of the points you raised and I just destroyed. Game over. Thesis in the toilet and another failure on your part. Same s**t different day..." You just ignore all the factual news that comes in! The massive fall in sterling, British researchers being cut out, infrastructure projects being delayed, hate crimes rising, G20 countries telling us that we are crazy for voting for Brexit, £70bn in monetary policy measures, government departments abolished, budgetary blackholes, international observers worried about the rise in racist and bigoted language from our politicians. These are all facts of the negative impact of just the vote, we are still years away from actually leaving. You can say "game over" and "back of the net" all you want, but that doesn't change anything. | |||
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" Why do I get the feeling you are going to spend the next twenty years with your fingers in your ears saying "nah nah nah, I can't hear you" as more and more bad news about Brexit comes in? Well when we have some bad news (FACTUAL news that is not 'forecasts') then we will see if I need to do that OK. Even in your quote from the Royal Society you prove the very point that I am making, that it has already had a negative impact. errr .. the President of the Royal Society said it was all good news. And referred to 'anecdotal evidence'. Or as I call it 'rumours'. God you are REALLY struggling now.... Just out of interest, please can you name 1 single individual that 1) you consider to be an expert in their field, 2) wasn't part of "project fear" and 3) thought that Remain was a good idea? Is there anyone at all? Well given the crap so called 'experts' have dished out so far over Brexit I think we have had enough failures. The point is that it isn't me or us 'Brexiters' that are whinging and making up utter crap like you and your 'Remoaner' friends. We do not need 'experts'. We have the facts of every day events .... And I note you failed to respond to any of the points you raised and I just destroyed. Game over. Thesis in the toilet and another failure on your part. Same s**t different day... You just ignore all the factual news that comes in! The massive fall in sterling, British researchers being cut out, infrastructure projects being delayed, hate crimes rising, G20 countries telling us that we are crazy for voting for Brexit, £70bn in monetary policy measures, government departments abolished, budgetary blackholes, international observers worried about the rise in racist and bigoted language from our politicians. These are all facts of the negative impact of just the vote, we are still years away from actually leaving. You can say "game over" and "back of the net" all you want, but that doesn't change anything." Your whining wont change anything either, so I,m asking you this. When David Cameron announced we would be having a referendum he knew might lose so why did he not have a Brexit plan as he was the PM and he called the referendum? | |||
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" Why do I get the feeling you are going to spend the next twenty years with your fingers in your ears saying "nah nah nah, I can't hear you" as more and more bad news about Brexit comes in? Well when we have some bad news (FACTUAL news that is not 'forecasts') then we will see if I need to do that OK. Even in your quote from the Royal Society you prove the very point that I am making, that it has already had a negative impact. errr .. the President of the Royal Society said it was all good news. And referred to 'anecdotal evidence'. Or as I call it 'rumours'. God you are REALLY struggling now.... Just out of interest, please can you name 1 single individual that 1) you consider to be an expert in their field, 2) wasn't part of "project fear" and 3) thought that Remain was a good idea? Is there anyone at all? Well given the crap so called 'experts' have dished out so far over Brexit I think we have had enough failures. The point is that it isn't me or us 'Brexiters' that are whinging and making up utter crap like you and your 'Remoaner' friends. We do not need 'experts'. We have the facts of every day events .... And I note you failed to respond to any of the points you raised and I just destroyed. Game over. Thesis in the toilet and another failure on your part. Same s**t different day... You just ignore all the factual news that comes in! The massive fall in sterling, British researchers being cut out, infrastructure projects being delayed, hate crimes rising, G20 countries telling us that we are crazy for voting for Brexit, £70bn in monetary policy measures, government departments abolished, budgetary blackholes, international observers worried about the rise in racist and bigoted language from our politicians. These are all facts of the negative impact of just the vote, we are still years away from actually leaving. You can say "game over" and "back of the net" all you want, but that doesn't change anything. Your whining wont change anything either, so I,m asking you this. When David Cameron announced we would be having a referendum he knew might lose so why did he not have a Brexit plan as he was the PM and he called the referendum?" Because he thought it would never happen, he thought his bullshit would pull him through | |||
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" Why do I get the feeling you are going to spend the next twenty years with your fingers in your ears saying "nah nah nah, I can't hear you" as more and more bad news about Brexit comes in? Well when we have some bad news (FACTUAL news that is not 'forecasts') then we will see if I need to do that OK. Even in your quote from the Royal Society you prove the very point that I am making, that it has already had a negative impact. errr .. the President of the Royal Society said it was all good news. And referred to 'anecdotal evidence'. Or as I call it 'rumours'. God you are REALLY struggling now.... Just out of interest, please can you name 1 single individual that 1) you consider to be an expert in their field, 2) wasn't part of "project fear" and 3) thought that Remain was a good idea? Is there anyone at all? Well given the crap so called 'experts' have dished out so far over Brexit I think we have had enough failures. The point is that it isn't me or us 'Brexiters' that are whinging and making up utter crap like you and your 'Remoaner' friends. We do not need 'experts'. We have the facts of every day events .... And I note you failed to respond to any of the points you raised and I just destroyed. Game over. Thesis in the toilet and another failure on your part. Same s**t different day... You just ignore all the factual news that comes in! The massive fall in sterling, British researchers being cut out, infrastructure projects being delayed, hate crimes rising, G20 countries telling us that we are crazy for voting for Brexit, £70bn in monetary policy measures, government departments abolished, budgetary blackholes, international observers worried about the rise in racist and bigoted language from our politicians. These are all facts of the negative impact of just the vote, we are still years away from actually leaving. You can say "game over" and "back of the net" all you want, but that doesn't change anything. Your whining wont change anything either, so I,m asking you this. When David Cameron announced we would be having a referendum he knew might lose so why did he not have a Brexit plan as he was the PM and he called the referendum? Because he thought it would never happen, he thought his bullshit would pull him through "I agree. You say that my "whinging" wont make a difference, but I believe that when enough people see what a bad idea Brexit is, that the promises about an extra £350m per week for the NHS etc were just lies, or when we see what Brexit actually means, then perhaps the public opinion will change and the UK will want to remain within the EU. I dont believe that it's all done and dusted and inevitable that we will leave. Nigel Farage said that if the referendum was this close then there should be another, and there are plenty of other people also calling for either general elections, referendums or a national consensus on the outcome of the negotiations with the EU. | |||
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" Why do I get the feeling you are going to spend the next twenty years with your fingers in your ears saying "nah nah nah, I can't hear you" as more and more bad news about Brexit comes in? Well when we have some bad news (FACTUAL news that is not 'forecasts') then we will see if I need to do that OK. Even in your quote from the Royal Society you prove the very point that I am making, that it has already had a negative impact. errr .. the President of the Royal Society said it was all good news. And referred to 'anecdotal evidence'. Or as I call it 'rumours'. God you are REALLY struggling now.... Just out of interest, please can you name 1 single individual that 1) you consider to be an expert in their field, 2) wasn't part of "project fear" and 3) thought that Remain was a good idea? Is there anyone at all? Well given the crap so called 'experts' have dished out so far over Brexit I think we have had enough failures. The point is that it isn't me or us 'Brexiters' that are whinging and making up utter crap like you and your 'Remoaner' friends. We do not need 'experts'. We have the facts of every day events .... And I note you failed to respond to any of the points you raised and I just destroyed. Game over. Thesis in the toilet and another failure on your part. Same s**t different day... You just ignore all the factual news that comes in! The massive fall in sterling, British researchers being cut out, infrastructure projects being delayed, hate crimes rising, G20 countries telling us that we are crazy for voting for Brexit, £70bn in monetary policy measures, government departments abolished, budgetary blackholes, international observers worried about the rise in racist and bigoted language from our politicians. These are all facts of the negative impact of just the vote, we are still years away from actually leaving. You can say "game over" and "back of the net" all you want, but that doesn't change anything. Your whining wont change anything either, so I,m asking you this. When David Cameron announced we would be having a referendum he knew might lose so why did he not have a Brexit plan as he was the PM and he called the referendum? Because he thought it would never happen, he thought his bullshit would pull him through
I agree.
You say that my "whinging" wont make a difference, but I believe that when enough people see what a bad idea Brexit is, that the promises about an extra £350m per week for the NHS etc were just lies, or when we see what Brexit actually means, then perhaps the public opinion will change and the UK will want to remain within the EU.
I dont believe that it's all done and dusted and inevitable that we will leave. Nigel Farage said that if the referendum was this close then there should be another, and there are plenty of other people also calling for either general elections, referendums or a national consensus on the outcome of the negotiations with the EU."But Teresa May has already said no to all those and has said more than once Brexit means Brexit. | |||
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" Why do I get the feeling you are going to spend the next twenty years with your fingers in your ears saying "nah nah nah, I can't hear you" as more and more bad news about Brexit comes in? Well when we have some bad news (FACTUAL news that is not 'forecasts') then we will see if I need to do that OK. Even in your quote from the Royal Society you prove the very point that I am making, that it has already had a negative impact. errr .. the President of the Royal Society said it was all good news. And referred to 'anecdotal evidence'. Or as I call it 'rumours'. God you are REALLY struggling now.... Just out of interest, please can you name 1 single individual that 1) you consider to be an expert in their field, 2) wasn't part of "project fear" and 3) thought that Remain was a good idea? Is there anyone at all? Well given the crap so called 'experts' have dished out so far over Brexit I think we have had enough failures. The point is that it isn't me or us 'Brexiters' that are whinging and making up utter crap like you and your 'Remoaner' friends. We do not need 'experts'. We have the facts of every day events .... And I note you failed to respond to any of the points you raised and I just destroyed. Game over. Thesis in the toilet and another failure on your part. Same s**t different day... You just ignore all the factual news that comes in! The massive fall in sterling, British researchers being cut out, infrastructure projects being delayed, hate crimes rising, G20 countries telling us that we are crazy for voting for Brexit, £70bn in monetary policy measures, government departments abolished, budgetary blackholes, international observers worried about the rise in racist and bigoted language from our politicians. These are all facts of the negative impact of just the vote, we are still years away from actually leaving. You can say "game over" and "back of the net" all you want, but that doesn't change anything. Your whining wont change anything either, so I,m asking you this. When David Cameron announced we would be having a referendum he knew might lose so why did he not have a Brexit plan as he was the PM and he called the referendum? Because he thought it would never happen, he thought his bullshit would pull him through
I agree.
You say that my "whinging" wont make a difference, but I believe that when enough people see what a bad idea Brexit is, that the promises about an extra £350m per week for the NHS etc were just lies, or when we see what Brexit actually means, then perhaps the public opinion will change and the UK will want to remain within the EU.
I dont believe that it's all done and dusted and inevitable that we will leave. Nigel Farage said that if the referendum was this close then there should be another, and there are plenty of other people also calling for either general elections, referendums or a national consensus on the outcome of the negotiations with the EU."The problem you have there is that enough people won't see what a bad idea Brexit is. Because it isn't. The only way public opinion will change is that more will realise that Brexit is for the best | |||
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" Why do I get the feeling you are going to spend the next twenty years with your fingers in your ears saying "nah nah nah, I can't hear you" as more and more bad news about Brexit comes in? Well when we have some bad news (FACTUAL news that is not 'forecasts') then we will see if I need to do that OK. Even in your quote from the Royal Society you prove the very point that I am making, that it has already had a negative impact. errr .. the President of the Royal Society said it was all good news. And referred to 'anecdotal evidence'. Or as I call it 'rumours'. God you are REALLY struggling now.... Just out of interest, please can you name 1 single individual that 1) you consider to be an expert in their field, 2) wasn't part of "project fear" and 3) thought that Remain was a good idea? Is there anyone at all? Well given the crap so called 'experts' have dished out so far over Brexit I think we have had enough failures. The point is that it isn't me or us 'Brexiters' that are whinging and making up utter crap like you and your 'Remoaner' friends. We do not need 'experts'. We have the facts of every day events .... And I note you failed to respond to any of the points you raised and I just destroyed. Game over. Thesis in the toilet and another failure on your part. Same s**t different day... You just ignore all the factual news that comes in! The massive fall in sterling, British researchers being cut out, infrastructure projects being delayed, hate crimes rising, G20 countries telling us that we are crazy for voting for Brexit, £70bn in monetary policy measures, government departments abolished, budgetary blackholes, international observers worried about the rise in racist and bigoted language from our politicians. These are all facts of the negative impact of just the vote, we are still years away from actually leaving. You can say "game over" and "back of the net" all you want, but that doesn't change anything. Your whining wont change anything either, so I,m asking you this. When David Cameron announced we would be having a referendum he knew might lose so why did he not have a Brexit plan as he was the PM and he called the referendum? Because he thought it would never happen, he thought his bullshit would pull him through
I agree.
You say that my "whinging" wont make a difference, but I believe that when enough people see what a bad idea Brexit is, that the promises about an extra £350m per week for the NHS etc were just lies, or when we see what Brexit actually means, then perhaps the public opinion will change and the UK will want to remain within the EU.
I dont believe that it's all done and dusted and inevitable that we will leave. Nigel Farage said that if the referendum was this close then there should be another, and there are plenty of other people also calling for either general elections, referendums or a national consensus on the outcome of the negotiations with the EU."You really need to give things a chance, I do believe you are hoping our exit from the EU will not work, But what if it does, what if things start to work well for the UK, will you them agree that you were wrong and it is a good thing that we left, or will you say that if we had remained we would have been in a better position. Lets look ahead and see what happens with Germany, France and other elections | |||
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" You just ignore all the factual news that comes in! The massive fall in sterling" As I said less than the fall in January and now recovering daily. Next? " British researchers being cut out" As I said the President of the Royal Society says its basically 'rumours'. Next? " infrastructure projects being delayed " As I said none have been delayed, cancelled, postponed or whatever as a result of the vote on the 23rd June. Indeed you quoted one, in one of your earlier bouts of stupidity, that isn't even Government funded! Next? " hate crimes rising" So a minority of morons have surfaced and been found out by better reporting of these crimes. So we should cancel the vote and not leave the EU and its Free Movement? The very CAUSE of these morons finding an excuse for their violence? Next? " G20 countries telling us that we are crazy for voting for Brexit" Oh when did that happen then? Care to provide a source? Oh wait no you don't do facts do you. Just endless repeats of lies and misinformation from your thesis on 'Bad Brexit'. Like here.. Next? " £70bn in monetary policy measures" As I have said QE is a way of forcing investors into higher yielding stocks and bonds. It produces a revenue and eventually a profit. And the money never leaves the UK. Next? " government departments abolished" God almighty now you really are scraping the barrel. Functions have changed and merged within a Government change. We actually have two new departments. D'UH! Next? " budgetary blackholes" As I said care to name one? Sources? You tried it on with Defence and I totally destroyed you with FACTS only yesterday. Next? " international observers worried about the rise in racist and bigoted language from our politicians." Really. What 'observers' are those then? And what racist comments have been made by our politicians? Next? " These are all facts of the negative impact of just the vote, we are still years away from actually leaving." No. These are NOT facts at all. NOT ONE FACT. They are just your regurgitated stupidity where you think by repeating the same shit over and over regardless of the number of times they are destroyed someone will agree. A definition of madness is repeating the same action hoping for a different outcome. I am not saying you are mad but dear God you need help... Another name of someone who just repeats statements that they know are wrong but will get a strong reaction online is the word 'Troll'. As usual I couldn't possibly comment .. | |||
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" You just ignore all the factual news that comes in! The massive fall in sterling As I said less than the fall in January and now recovering daily. Next? British researchers being cut out As I said the President of the Royal Society says its basically 'rumours'. Next? infrastructure projects being delayed As I said none have been delayed, cancelled, postponed or whatever as a result of the vote on the 23rd June. Indeed you quoted one, in one of your earlier bouts of stupidity, that isn't even Government funded! Next? hate crimes rising So a minority of morons have surfaced and been found out by better reporting of these crimes. So we should cancel the vote and not leave the EU and its Free Movement? The very CAUSE of these morons finding an excuse for their violence? Next? G20 countries telling us that we are crazy for voting for Brexit Oh when did that happen then? Care to provide a source? Oh wait no you don't do facts do you. Just endless repeats of lies and misinformation from your thesis on 'Bad Brexit'. Like here.. Next? £70bn in monetary policy measures As I have said QE is a way of forcing investors into higher yielding stocks and bonds. It produces a revenue and eventually a profit. And the money never leaves the UK. Next? government departments abolished God almighty now you really are scraping the barrel. Functions have changed and merged within a Government change. We actually have two new departments. D'UH! Next? budgetary blackholes As I said care to name one? Sources? You tried it on with Defence and I totally destroyed you with FACTS only yesterday. Next? international observers worried about the rise in racist and bigoted language from our politicians. Really. What 'observers' are those then? And what racist comments have been made by our politicians? Next? These are all facts of the negative impact of just the vote, we are still years away from actually leaving. No. These are NOT facts at all. NOT ONE FACT. They are just your regurgitated stupidity where you think by repeating the same shit over and over regardless of the number of times they are destroyed someone will agree. A definition of madness is repeating the same action hoping for a different outcome. I am not saying you are mad but dear God you need help... Another name of someone who just repeats statements that they know are wrong but will get a strong reaction online is the word 'Troll'. As usual I couldn't possibly comment .. "
The impression I got from the G20 summit was that Brexit was being welcomed by a number of countries who are desperate to do trade deals with the Uk, India and Australia being the two main ones reported, but China also expressed interest in doing its own trade deal with an independent UK.
Other good news about Brexit, Uk exports up thanks to the lower value of the Pound, which saw the biggest month on month jump in growth in August for UK manufacturing for the last 25 years. Also now the UK services industry has seen a big jump in growth figures which were released just the other day. Also UK tourism industry has had a big boost thanks again to the lower value of the pound. Goverment commitments to continue with 'EU subsidies' payments to things like medical research (which was never EU money in the first place it was British taxpayers money all along). So not all doom and gloom like these Remoaners like to paint a picture of. | |||
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"One of the usual suspects was saying earlier that Brexit has brought record low interest rates and that oif course this is SUCH a bad thing ... The ECB announced today the Euro will be supported by Zero % interest rates .... We didn't see too much comment on that did we? "same suspect keeps going on about the disastrous fall in the value of the pound
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"One of the usual suspects was saying earlier that Brexit has brought record low interest rates and that oif course this is SUCH a bad thing ... The ECB announced today the Euro will be supported by Zero % interest rates .... We didn't see too much comment on that did we?
Just in case you hadn't noticed, we're not in the Euro.
Had you considered that Brexit is also having a negative impact on the Eurozone? Instead of being richer together, you are happier for us to be poorer apart."OMG ... I never knew we weren't in the Euro ... BUGGER! 
I am minded to say 'Whats good for the Goose is good for the Gander'. To explain for those like you with a short attention span it means if you slag off a lowering of rates in the UK then you must 'inter alia' slag off the same action in other currencies. Must you not?
Frankly you confuse me with someone who gives a rats arse about a bunch of unaccountable elite morons who had the chance to reform the EU in a meaningful way and keep its second biggest contributor on board and told us to f**k off. 'As ye sow so shall ye reap...'
And given accurate and real data in the UK (as opposed to phantom 'forecasts' from 'experts') that shows we are actually rather well after (as we were before) the Referendum please do not associate the UK with the Eurozone monstrosity. | |||
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" Why do I get the feeling you are going to spend the next twenty years with your fingers in your ears saying "nah nah nah, I can't hear you" as more and more bad news about Brexit comes in? Well when we have some bad news (FACTUAL news that is not 'forecasts') then we will see if I need to do that OK. Even in your quote from the Royal Society you prove the very point that I am making, that it has already had a negative impact. errr .. the President of the Royal Society said it was all good news. And referred to 'anecdotal evidence'. Or as I call it 'rumours'. God you are REALLY struggling now.... Just out of interest, please can you name 1 single individual that 1) you consider to be an expert in their field, 2) wasn't part of "project fear" and 3) thought that Remain was a good idea? Is there anyone at all? Well given the crap so called 'experts' have dished out so far over Brexit I think we have had enough failures. The point is that it isn't me or us 'Brexiters' that are whinging and making up utter crap like you and your 'Remoaner' friends. We do not need 'experts'. We have the facts of every day events .... And I note you failed to respond to any of the points you raised and I just destroyed. Game over. Thesis in the toilet and another failure on your part. Same s**t different day... You just ignore all the factual news that comes in! The massive fall in sterling, British researchers being cut out, infrastructure projects being delayed, hate crimes rising, G20 countries telling us that we are crazy for voting for Brexit, £70bn in monetary policy measures, government departments abolished, budgetary blackholes, international observers worried about the rise in racist and bigoted language from our politicians. These are all facts of the negative impact of just the vote, we are still years away from actually leaving. You can say "game over" and "back of the net" all you want, but that doesn't change anything." Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz | |||
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"One of the usual suspects was saying earlier that Brexit has brought record low interest rates and that oif course this is SUCH a bad thing ... The ECB announced today the Euro will be supported by Zero % interest rates .... We didn't see too much comment on that did we?
Just in case you hadn't noticed, we're not in the Euro.
Had you considered that Brexit is also having a negative impact on the Eurozone? Instead of being richer together, you are happier for us to be poorer apart."Richer together? You are fucking joking. Greece, Italy, Portugal? Spain, maybe? What about all the Eastern Europeans (Poles, Bulgarians, Romanians, to name but a few), whose minimum wage is less than a third of ours? Richer together? And Brexit having a negative impact on the Eurozone? Have you not seen what's happening to the Eurozone economies over the last decade or so? Have you ever considered that maybe the Eurozone has had a negative impact on us? Not noticed the massive QE over there that makes ours pale into insignificance? If everything's so rosie over there, why don't you do us all a favour, pack your bags, get your passport, and bugger off over there? Our country doesn't need such pessimistic people as you. And you accuse others of talking nonsense! | |||
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"One of the usual suspects was saying earlier that Brexit has brought record low interest rates and that oif course this is SUCH a bad thing ... The ECB announced today the Euro will be supported by Zero % interest rates .... We didn't see too much comment on that did we?
Just in case you hadn't noticed, we're not in the Euro.
Had you considered that Brexit is also having a negative impact on the Eurozone? Instead of being richer together, you are happier for us to be poorer apart.
Richer together? You are fucking joking.
Greece, Italy, Portugal? Spain, maybe?
What about all the Eastern Europeans (Poles, Bulgarians, Romanians, to name but a few), whose minimum wage is less than a third of ours?
Richer together?
And Brexit having a negative impact on the Eurozone? Have you not seen what's happening to the Eurozone economies over the last decade or so? Have you ever considered that maybe the Eurozone has had a negative impact on us?
Not noticed the massive QE over there that makes ours pale into insignificance?
If everything's so rosie over there, why don't you do us all a favour, pack your bags, get your passport, and bugger off over there? Our country doesn't need such pessimistic people as you.
And you accuse others of talking nonsense!
"Way to go ...
With static GDP growth, 10% average unemployment, 50% average youth unemployment and millions leaving mainland Europe for the UK Euroland is clearly a magic place to be .... | |||
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"One of the usual suspects was saying earlier that Brexit has brought record low interest rates and that oif course this is SUCH a bad thing ... The ECB announced today the Euro will be supported by Zero % interest rates .... We didn't see too much comment on that did we?
Just in case you hadn't noticed, we're not in the Euro.
Had you considered that Brexit is also having a negative impact on the Eurozone? Instead of being richer together, you are happier for us to be poorer apart.
Richer together? You are fucking joking.
Greece, Italy, Portugal? Spain, maybe?
What about all the Eastern Europeans (Poles, Bulgarians, Romanians, to name but a few), whose minimum wage is less than a third of ours?
Richer together?
And Brexit having a negative impact on the Eurozone? Have you not seen what's happening to the Eurozone economies over the last decade or so? Have you ever considered that maybe the Eurozone has had a negative impact on us?
Not noticed the massive QE over there that makes ours pale into insignificance?
If everything's so rosie over there, why don't you do us all a favour, pack your bags, get your passport, and bugger off over there? Our country doesn't need such pessimistic people as you.
And you accuse others of talking nonsense!
"Why do you think these countries are in the EU? You think they want to join a club to make things worse for themselves? | |||
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"One of the usual suspects was saying earlier that Brexit has brought record low interest rates and that oif course this is SUCH a bad thing ... The ECB announced today the Euro will be supported by Zero % interest rates .... We didn't see too much comment on that did we?
Just in case you hadn't noticed, we're not in the Euro.
Had you considered that Brexit is also having a negative impact on the Eurozone? Instead of being richer together, you are happier for us to be poorer apart.
Richer together? You are fucking joking.
Greece, Italy, Portugal? Spain, maybe?
What about all the Eastern Europeans (Poles, Bulgarians, Romanians, to name but a few), whose minimum wage is less than a third of ours?
Richer together?
And Brexit having a negative impact on the Eurozone? Have you not seen what's happening to the Eurozone economies over the last decade or so? Have you ever considered that maybe the Eurozone has had a negative impact on us?
Not noticed the massive QE over there that makes ours pale into insignificance?
If everything's so rosie over there, why don't you do us all a favour, pack your bags, get your passport, and bugger off over there? Our country doesn't need such pessimistic people as you.
And you accuse others of talking nonsense!
Why do you think these countries are in the EU?
You think they want to join a club to make things worse for themselves? "You demonstrate a childlike ignorance of reality. The ex Communist countries are over the moon about having all the handouts and benefits thrown their way. Poland, as an example, is the largest beneficiary of EU funding and contributes zilch. And of course being in the EU means the UK solves its employment, education, health and welfare problems for them as well. You then have the major producing and contributing countries (like the UK as was, Germany, Holland, Sweden and France) whose populations are now realising what a totally idiotic scam the whole EU idea is especially when they are landed with millions of people from outside the EU, they have to pay to look after them and displace their own populations. Ask Sweden... The EU is built on a fallacy that all countries are equal but then injects even more inequality, that the 'Single Market' is relevant in a world heading towards Free Trade deals, that bending rules when inventing a new currency will not have serious consequences and that you can march ever onward to some Socialist Nirvana of a USE and in doing so ride roughshod over people's wish to retain nationality and sovereignty. I am sure the Greeks, Portuguese and Italians are mightily pleased with the realities of being in the Euro as well ... | |||
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"One of the usual suspects was saying earlier that Brexit has brought record low interest rates and that oif course this is SUCH a bad thing ... The ECB announced today the Euro will be supported by Zero % interest rates .... We didn't see too much comment on that did we?
Just in case you hadn't noticed, we're not in the Euro.
Had you considered that Brexit is also having a negative impact on the Eurozone? Instead of being richer together, you are happier for us to be poorer apart.
Richer together? You are fucking joking.
Greece, Italy, Portugal? Spain, maybe?
What about all the Eastern Europeans (Poles, Bulgarians, Romanians, to name but a few), whose minimum wage is less than a third of ours?
Richer together?
And Brexit having a negative impact on the Eurozone? Have you not seen what's happening to the Eurozone economies over the last decade or so? Have you ever considered that maybe the Eurozone has had a negative impact on us?
Not noticed the massive QE over there that makes ours pale into insignificance?
If everything's so rosie over there, why don't you do us all a favour, pack your bags, get your passport, and bugger off over there? Our country doesn't need such pessimistic people as you.
And you accuse others of talking nonsense!
Why do you think these countries are in the EU?
You think they want to join a club to make things worse for themselves? "Er, to make their lot better on the back of our purse strings perhaps? I think you must live high up on a mountain. Where the air is thin.... very thin... You are naive to the Nth degree. | |||
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"One of the usual suspects was saying earlier that Brexit has brought record low interest rates and that oif course this is SUCH a bad thing ... The ECB announced today the Euro will be supported by Zero % interest rates .... We didn't see too much comment on that did we?
Just in case you hadn't noticed, we're not in the Euro.
Had you considered that Brexit is also having a negative impact on the Eurozone? Instead of being richer together, you are happier for us to be poorer apart.
Richer together? You are fucking joking.
Greece, Italy, Portugal? Spain, maybe?
What about all the Eastern Europeans (Poles, Bulgarians, Romanians, to name but a few), whose minimum wage is less than a third of ours?
Richer together?
And Brexit having a negative impact on the Eurozone? Have you not seen what's happening to the Eurozone economies over the last decade or so? Have you ever considered that maybe the Eurozone has had a negative impact on us?
Not noticed the massive QE over there that makes ours pale into insignificance?
If everything's so rosie over there, why don't you do us all a favour, pack your bags, get your passport, and bugger off over there? Our country doesn't need such pessimistic people as you.
And you accuse others of talking nonsense!
Why do you think these countries are in the EU?
You think they want to join a club to make things worse for themselves?
Er, to make their lot better on the back of our purse strings perhaps?
I think you must live high up on a mountain. Where the air is thin.... very thin...
You are naive to the Nth degree.
"So your saying that joining the EU has made it better for them, but before you were saying that it makes everything worse. Please try to stick to your argument. Also if the EU is so bad and evil and terrible, then why are more coubtries trying to join? | |||
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"One of the usual suspects was saying earlier that Brexit has brought record low interest rates and that oif course this is SUCH a bad thing ... The ECB announced today the Euro will be supported by Zero % interest rates .... We didn't see too much comment on that did we?
Just in case you hadn't noticed, we're not in the Euro.
Had you considered that Brexit is also having a negative impact on the Eurozone? Instead of being richer together, you are happier for us to be poorer apart.
Richer together? You are fucking joking.
Greece, Italy, Portugal? Spain, maybe?
What about all the Eastern Europeans (Poles, Bulgarians, Romanians, to name but a few), whose minimum wage is less than a third of ours?
Richer together?
And Brexit having a negative impact on the Eurozone? Have you not seen what's happening to the Eurozone economies over the last decade or so? Have you ever considered that maybe the Eurozone has had a negative impact on us?
Not noticed the massive QE over there that makes ours pale into insignificance?
If everything's so rosie over there, why don't you do us all a favour, pack your bags, get your passport, and bugger off over there? Our country doesn't need such pessimistic people as you.
And you accuse others of talking nonsense!
Why do you think these countries are in the EU?
You think they want to join a club to make things worse for themselves?
Er, to make their lot better on the back of our purse strings perhaps?
I think you must live high up on a mountain. Where the air is thin.... very thin...
You are naive to the Nth degree.
So your saying that joining the EU has made it better for them, but before you were saying that it makes everything worse. Please try to stick to your argument.
Also if the EU is so bad and evil and terrible, then why are more coubtries trying to join? "mother of mine
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"One of the usual suspects was saying earlier that Brexit has brought record low interest rates and that oif course this is SUCH a bad thing ... The ECB announced today the Euro will be supported by Zero % interest rates .... We didn't see too much comment on that did we?
Just in case you hadn't noticed, we're not in the Euro.
Had you considered that Brexit is also having a negative impact on the Eurozone? Instead of being richer together, you are happier for us to be poorer apart.
Richer together? You are fucking joking.
Greece, Italy, Portugal? Spain, maybe?
What about all the Eastern Europeans (Poles, Bulgarians, Romanians, to name but a few), whose minimum wage is less than a third of ours?
Richer together?
And Brexit having a negative impact on the Eurozone? Have you not seen what's happening to the Eurozone economies over the last decade or so? Have you ever considered that maybe the Eurozone has had a negative impact on us?
Not noticed the massive QE over there that makes ours pale into insignificance?
If everything's so rosie over there, why don't you do us all a favour, pack your bags, get your passport, and bugger off over there? Our country doesn't need such pessimistic people as you.
And you accuse others of talking nonsense!
Why do you think these countries are in the EU?
You think they want to join a club to make things worse for themselves?
Er, to make their lot better on the back of our purse strings perhaps?
I think you must live high up on a mountain. Where the air is thin.... very thin...
You are naive to the Nth degree.
So your saying that joining the EU has made it better for them, but before you were saying that it makes everything worse. Please try to stick to your argument.
Also if the EU is so bad and evil and terrible, then why are more countries trying to join? "The only trying to join are the POOR countries so they can sponge of the other richer ones. | |||
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"One of the usual suspects was saying earlier that Brexit has brought record low interest rates and that oif course this is SUCH a bad thing ... The ECB announced today the Euro will be supported by Zero % interest rates .... We didn't see too much comment on that did we?
Just in case you hadn't noticed, we're not in the Euro.
Had you considered that Brexit is also having a negative impact on the Eurozone? Instead of being richer together, you are happier for us to be poorer apart.
Richer together? You are fucking joking.
Greece, Italy, Portugal? Spain, maybe?
What about all the Eastern Europeans (Poles, Bulgarians, Romanians, to name but a few), whose minimum wage is less than a third of ours?
Richer together?
And Brexit having a negative impact on the Eurozone? Have you not seen what's happening to the Eurozone economies over the last decade or so? Have you ever considered that maybe the Eurozone has had a negative impact on us?
Not noticed the massive QE over there that makes ours pale into insignificance?
If everything's so rosie over there, why don't you do us all a favour, pack your bags, get your passport, and bugger off over there? Our country doesn't need such pessimistic people as you.
And you accuse others of talking nonsense!
Why do you think these countries are in the EU?
You think they want to join a club to make things worse for themselves?
Er, to make their lot better on the back of our purse strings perhaps?
I think you must live high up on a mountain. Where the air is thin.... very thin...
You are naive to the Nth degree.
So your saying that joining the EU has made it better for them, but before you were saying that it makes everything worse. Please try to stick to your argument.
Also if the EU is so bad and evil and terrible, then why are more countries trying to join?
The only trying to join are the POOR countries so they can sponge of the other richer ones. "Then why do the rich ones let them in? | |||
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"One of the usual suspects was saying earlier that Brexit has brought record low interest rates and that oif course this is SUCH a bad thing ... The ECB announced today the Euro will be supported by Zero % interest rates .... We didn't see too much comment on that did we?
Just in case you hadn't noticed, we're not in the Euro.
Had you considered that Brexit is also having a negative impact on the Eurozone? Instead of being richer together, you are happier for us to be poorer apart.
Richer together? You are fucking joking.
Greece, Italy, Portugal? Spain, maybe?
What about all the Eastern Europeans (Poles, Bulgarians, Romanians, to name but a few), whose minimum wage is less than a third of ours?
Richer together?
And Brexit having a negative impact on the Eurozone? Have you not seen what's happening to the Eurozone economies over the last decade or so? Have you ever considered that maybe the Eurozone has had a negative impact on us?
Not noticed the massive QE over there that makes ours pale into insignificance?
If everything's so rosie over there, why don't you do us all a favour, pack your bags, get your passport, and bugger off over there? Our country doesn't need such pessimistic people as you.
And you accuse others of talking nonsense!
Why do you think these countries are in the EU?
You think they want to join a club to make things worse for themselves?
Er, to make their lot better on the back of our purse strings perhaps?
I think you must live high up on a mountain. Where the air is thin.... very thin...
You are naive to the Nth degree.
So your saying that joining the EU has made it better for them, but before you were saying that it makes everything worse. Please try to stick to your argument.
Also if the EU is so bad and evil and terrible, then why are more countries trying to join?
The only trying to join are the POOR countries so they can sponge of the other richer ones.
Then why do the rich ones let them in? "cheap labour ffs | |||
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