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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

I think the Green Party have an important message that never got anywhere because of their comically bad leader Natalie Bennett. Just go on YouTube if you want an overview of how not to do political interviews.

So I was rather hoping she would be replaced by someone who was not a moron. She's actually been replaced by two people - Jonathan Bartley and Caroline Lucas.

Caroline is about as media savvy as her predecessor. She famously challenged George Osborne in parliament with "it is simply irresponsible to imply to borrowing is always bad". He replied with "when is the moment you could stop borrowing and run a surplus?" Anyone hoping she might make good use of the limelight had their optimism destroyed when she replied "you stop borrowing when you can no longer afford to pay back". Facepalm.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

Where all the tree huggers at?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Where all the tree huggers at? "
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There ain't none, well there's a few here and there! Not enough to actually matter though.

So Caroline Lucas, she's an animal loving, nuke hating, planet loving tree hugging liberal.... There's worse things in life to be, if you wanna change the world you have to be a revolutionist and before you say... no being a revolutionist doesn't mean you have to love castro, Mao and Stalin....

Bartley I don't know that well but I'll guess he's a liberal tree hugger too.

I wouldn't deride them to much...Your going to need these people in the coming decades, coz your like what late 20s? By the time your my age, the world's gonna look a lot different for you, the solutions aren't simple and there not cheap but hey,thems the choices you got.

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I'm not really a fan of politicans but your going to have them one way or another

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Where all the tree huggers at? .

There ain't none, well there's a few here and there! Not enough to actually matter though.

So Caroline Lucas, she's an animal loving, nuke hating, planet loving tree hugging liberal.... There's worse things in life to be, if you wanna change the world you have to be a revolutionist and before you say... no being a revolutionist doesn't mean you have to love castro, Mao and Stalin....

Bartley I don't know that well but I'll guess he's a liberal tree hugger too.

I wouldn't deride them to much...Your going to need these people in the coming decades, coz your like what late 20s? By the time your my age, the world's gonna look a lot different for you, the solutions aren't simple and there not cheap but hey,thems the choices you got.

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I'm not really a fan of politicans but your going to have them one way or another"

I would deride them all day long because they're a pair of pricks. Sorry son

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Where all the tree huggers at? .

There ain't none, well there's a few here and there! Not enough to actually matter though.

So Caroline Lucas, she's an animal loving, nuke hating, planet loving tree hugging liberal.... There's worse things in life to be, if you wanna change the world you have to be a revolutionist and before you say... no being a revolutionist doesn't mean you have to love castro, Mao and Stalin....

Bartley I don't know that well but I'll guess he's a liberal tree hugger too.

I wouldn't deride them to much...Your going to need these people in the coming decades, coz your like what late 20s? By the time your my age, the world's gonna look a lot different for you, the solutions aren't simple and there not cheap but hey,thems the choices you got.

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I'm not really a fan of politicans but your going to have them one way or another"

She is not a fucking liberal. I am a fucking liberal. She is a feminazi who wants to use the state to achieve all her goals, the good and bad ones. Liberals believe in less laws not more.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Where all the tree huggers at? .

There ain't none, well there's a few here and there! Not enough to actually matter though.

So Caroline Lucas, she's an animal loving, nuke hating, planet loving tree hugging liberal.... There's worse things in life to be, if you wanna change the world you have to be a revolutionist and before you say... no being a revolutionist doesn't mean you have to love castro, Mao and Stalin....

Bartley I don't know that well but I'll guess he's a liberal tree hugger too.

I wouldn't deride them to much...Your going to need these people in the coming decades, coz your like what late 20s? By the time your my age, the world's gonna look a lot different for you, the solutions aren't simple and there not cheap but hey,thems the choices you got.

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I'm not really a fan of politicans but your going to have them one way or another

She is not a fucking liberal. I am a fucking liberal. She is a feminazi who wants to use the state to achieve all her goals, the good and bad ones. Liberals believe in less laws not more. "

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No you've read to much about neo liberalism..... That is just another right wing crock of shit for raping mother earth...

Oh yeah what you want is less laws and call yourself liberal, everything will be terrific, honest, I won't fuck you over!.

FDR was a liberal, David Owen was a liberal... None of them believe in this less laws bollocks because at heart anyone with half brain knows that people will fuck you over

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Where all the tree huggers at? .

There ain't none, well there's a few here and there! Not enough to actually matter though.

So Caroline Lucas, she's an animal loving, nuke hating, planet loving tree hugging liberal.... There's worse things in life to be, if you wanna change the world you have to be a revolutionist and before you say... no being a revolutionist doesn't mean you have to love castro, Mao and Stalin....

Bartley I don't know that well but I'll guess he's a liberal tree hugger too.

I wouldn't deride them to much...Your going to need these people in the coming decades, coz your like what late 20s? By the time your my age, the world's gonna look a lot different for you, the solutions aren't simple and there not cheap but hey,thems the choices you got.

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I'm not really a fan of politicans but your going to have them one way or another

I would deride them all day long because they're a pair of pricks. Sorry son"

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That's just your point of view.... Quite frankly it's like dog shit on my shoes, I'm going to get it while out and about but I don't really want it!.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Where all the tree huggers at? .

There ain't none, well there's a few here and there! Not enough to actually matter though.

So Caroline Lucas, she's an animal loving, nuke hating, planet loving tree hugging liberal.... There's worse things in life to be, if you wanna change the world you have to be a revolutionist and before you say... no being a revolutionist doesn't mean you have to love castro, Mao and Stalin....

Bartley I don't know that well but I'll guess he's a liberal tree hugger too.

I wouldn't deride them to much...Your going to need these people in the coming decades, coz your like what late 20s? By the time your my age, the world's gonna look a lot different for you, the solutions aren't simple and there not cheap but hey,thems the choices you got.

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I'm not really a fan of politicans but your going to have them one way or another

I would deride them all day long because they're a pair of pricks. Sorry son.

That's just your point of view.... Quite frankly it's like dog shit on my shoes, I'm going to get it while out and about but I don't really want it!.

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You wear shoes ffs? Think of the environment

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Where all the tree huggers at? .

There ain't none, well there's a few here and there! Not enough to actually matter though.

So Caroline Lucas, she's an animal loving, nuke hating, planet loving tree hugging liberal.... There's worse things in life to be, if you wanna change the world you have to be a revolutionist and before you say... no being a revolutionist doesn't mean you have to love castro, Mao and Stalin....

Bartley I don't know that well but I'll guess he's a liberal tree hugger too.

I wouldn't deride them to much...Your going to need these people in the coming decades, coz your like what late 20s? By the time your my age, the world's gonna look a lot different for you, the solutions aren't simple and there not cheap but hey,thems the choices you got.

.

.

.

I'm not really a fan of politicans but your going to have them one way or another

I would deride them all day long because they're a pair of pricks. Sorry son.

That's just your point of view.... Quite frankly it's like dog shit on my shoes, I'm going to get it while out and about but I don't really want it!.

You wear shoes ffs? Think of the environment"

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I do I've not bought new shoes in ten years.... That's why your opinion is like dog shit

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

No disrespect but what the fuck do you know about green issues?

I think you know fuck all expect you've got a recycling bin which the council forced on you but you hate?.... Yeah that's another reason you hate the EU, they make you septate tins from rubbish... Oh the hardship.

Your a western wealthy dick without a fucking slightest clue about anything except what manifests into your pathetic hedonistic lifestyle.... It's all about you and what's in it for you!! That's why your brexiter and everybody that happens to have all the facts and scientific evidence to say your life style is quite frankly stupid and cuntish is a moron according to your massive self opinionated righteousness...

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I don't mean to be harsh but I've met your "people" before... Your grandad was a brown shirt

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Where all the tree huggers at? .

There ain't none, well there's a few here and there! Not enough to actually matter though.

So Caroline Lucas, she's an animal loving, nuke hating, planet loving tree hugging liberal.... There's worse things in life to be, if you wanna change the world you have to be a revolutionist and before you say... no being a revolutionist doesn't mean you have to love castro, Mao and Stalin....

Bartley I don't know that well but I'll guess he's a liberal tree hugger too.

I wouldn't deride them to much...Your going to need these people in the coming decades, coz your like what late 20s? By the time your my age, the world's gonna look a lot different for you, the solutions aren't simple and there not cheap but hey,thems the choices you got.

.

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I'm not really a fan of politicans but your going to have them one way or another

She is not a fucking liberal. I am a fucking liberal. She is a feminazi who wants to use the state to achieve all her goals, the good and bad ones. Liberals believe in less laws not more. .

No you've read to much about neo liberalism..... That is just another right wing crock of shit for raping mother earth...

Oh yeah what you want is less laws and call yourself liberal, everything will be terrific, honest, I won't fuck you over!.

FDR was a liberal, David Owen was a liberal... None of them believe in this less laws bollocks because at heart anyone with half brain knows that people will fuck you over"

Liberty is achieved without an authoritarian figure no?

I'm actually all for laws that move technology on quicker. That's why I like green issues. I don't actually give a shit about polar bears and frankly it wouldn't bother me if the whole thing was a scam, the fact that it's moving technologies forward at a quicker pace than they otherwise would it all I care about.

The laws I don't want are the feminazi bullshit that Caroline supports like basically wanting to ban porn etc.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"No disrespect but what the fuck do you know about green issues?

I think you know fuck all expect you've got a recycling bin which the council forced on you but you hate?.... Yeah that's another reason you hate the EU, they make you septate tins from rubbish... Oh the hardship.

Your a western wealthy dick without a fucking slightest clue about anything except what manifests into your pathetic hedonistic lifestyle.... It's all about you and what's in it for you!! That's why your brexiter and everybody that happens to have all the facts and scientific evidence to say your life style is quite frankly stupid and cuntish is a moron according to your massive self opinionated righteousness...

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I don't mean to be harsh but I've met your "people" before... Your grandad was a brown shirt"

was that directed at me?

I know as much about green issues as yourself, basically, fuck all. I won't respond to the rest of the post, we've all been pissed on a saturday night, other than the bit about my grandad who went voloumtarily to fight against Franco so hardly a brown shirt.

Oh and maybe it's time you got some new shoes now then, they must stink as much as your attitude to life

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead


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So I was rather hoping she would be replaced by someone who was not a moron. She's actually been replaced by two people - Jonathan Bartley and Caroline Lucas.

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actually not that i vote for the greens... but if you know the backstory as to why they decided to do a "jobshare" on the leadership I think you would actually be a lot less scathing

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


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So I was rather hoping she would be replaced by someone who was not a moron. She's actually been replaced by two people - Jonathan Bartley and Caroline Lucas.

actually not that i vote for the greens... but if you know the backstory as to why they decided to do a "jobshare" on the leadership I think you would actually be a lot less scathing"

I'm not really scathing about that. I don't think it will work well with voters because a leader is a symbol as much as anything.

Other than her embarrassing parliament exchange that I quoted. I resent her campaigning to ban magazines like zoo and nuts from Tesco.

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

for those people who don't know why they decided to jobshare bartley has an real interest in politics... but has been widowed and has a severly disabled son, so he didn't feel as if his could do the job and care for his child... and caroline lucas didn't want to do it full time again as she that as the only member of parliament for the party all of the work as leader was taking away time from looking after her own local constituants....

so they decided on running on a joint ticket.....

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"for those people who don't know why they decided to jobshare bartley has an real interest in politics... but has been widowed and has a severly disabled son, so he didn't feel as if his could do the job and care for his child... and caroline lucas didn't want to do it full time again as she that as the only member of parliament for the party all of the work as leader was taking away time from looking after her own local constituants....

so they decided on running on a joint ticket.....

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Personally I vote for people based on competence and policies rather than back story.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Where all the tree huggers at? .

There ain't none, well there's a few here and there! Not enough to actually matter though.

So Caroline Lucas, she's an animal loving, nuke hating, planet loving tree hugging liberal.... There's worse things in life to be, if you wanna change the world you have to be a revolutionist and before you say... no being a revolutionist doesn't mean you have to love castro, Mao and Stalin....

Bartley I don't know that well but I'll guess he's a liberal tree hugger too.

I wouldn't deride them to much...Your going to need these people in the coming decades, coz your like what late 20s? By the time your my age, the world's gonna look a lot different for you, the solutions aren't simple and there not cheap but hey,thems the choices you got.

.

.

.

I'm not really a fan of politicans but your going to have them one way or another

She is not a fucking liberal. I am a fucking liberal. She is a feminazi who wants to use the state to achieve all her goals, the good and bad ones. Liberals believe in less laws not more. .

No you've read to much about neo liberalism..... That is just another right wing crock of shit for raping mother earth...

Oh yeah what you want is less laws and call yourself liberal, everything will be terrific, honest, I won't fuck you over!.

FDR was a liberal, David Owen was a liberal... None of them believe in this less laws bollocks because at heart anyone with half brain knows that people will fuck you over

Liberty is achieved without an authoritarian figure no?

I'm actually all for laws that move technology on quicker. That's why I like green issues. I don't actually give a shit about polar bears and frankly it wouldn't bother me if the whole thing was a scam, the fact that it's moving technologies forward at a quicker pace than they otherwise would it all I care about.

The laws I don't want are the feminazi bullshit that Caroline supports like basically wanting to ban porn etc."

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Most hard core supporters of anything have what could be described as ridiculous ideas in reaching they're goals.

If you look at her direction of where she's going with the green party or for that matter the green party in general you can clearly see they have "larger" goals than "green" ones.

Frankly how we treat the planet is appalling, how we treat other humans is shocking and how we treat other species is beyond cruel..... Anybody that thinks we could reduce laws is either a maniac or deluded, it seems unfortunately to get some decent laws your going to get some stupid laws but it's still probably better than the alternative

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Where all the tree huggers at? .

There ain't none, well there's a few here and there! Not enough to actually matter though.

So Caroline Lucas, she's an animal loving, nuke hating, planet loving tree hugging liberal.... There's worse things in life to be, if you wanna change the world you have to be a revolutionist and before you say... no being a revolutionist doesn't mean you have to love castro, Mao and Stalin....

Bartley I don't know that well but I'll guess he's a liberal tree hugger too.

I wouldn't deride them to much...Your going to need these people in the coming decades, coz your like what late 20s? By the time your my age, the world's gonna look a lot different for you, the solutions aren't simple and there not cheap but hey,thems the choices you got.

.

.

.

I'm not really a fan of politicans but your going to have them one way or another

She is not a fucking liberal. I am a fucking liberal. She is a feminazi who wants to use the state to achieve all her goals, the good and bad ones. Liberals believe in less laws not more. .

No you've read to much about neo liberalism..... That is just another right wing crock of shit for raping mother earth...

Oh yeah what you want is less laws and call yourself liberal, everything will be terrific, honest, I won't fuck you over!.

FDR was a liberal, David Owen was a liberal... None of them believe in this less laws bollocks because at heart anyone with half brain knows that people will fuck you over

Liberty is achieved without an authoritarian figure no?

I'm actually all for laws that move technology on quicker. That's why I like green issues. I don't actually give a shit about polar bears and frankly it wouldn't bother me if the whole thing was a scam, the fact that it's moving technologies forward at a quicker pace than they otherwise would it all I care about.

The laws I don't want are the feminazi bullshit that Caroline supports like basically wanting to ban porn etc..

Most hard core supporters of anything have what could be described as ridiculous ideas in reaching they're goals.

If you look at her direction of where she's going with the green party or for that matter the green party in general you can clearly see they have "larger" goals than "green" ones.

Frankly how we treat the planet is appalling, how we treat other humans is shocking and how we treat other species is beyond cruel..... Anybody that thinks we could reduce laws is either a maniac or deluded, it seems unfortunately to get some decent laws your going to get some stupid laws but it's still probably better than the alternative"

Who is 'we'. I don't think I'm cruel to other humans... unless they post something stupid on the forums.

The biggest tragedies are committed by bureaucracies. People do things when they become a cog in the machine, that they would never do as an individual. This is not my opinion, many psychological studies have confirmed this.

What we need is to break up so many of the mass bureaucracies and get back to proper fucking capitalism with some decent regulation.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Where all the tree huggers at? .

There ain't none, well there's a few here and there! Not enough to actually matter though.

So Caroline Lucas, she's an animal loving, nuke hating, planet loving tree hugging liberal.... There's worse things in life to be, if you wanna change the world you have to be a revolutionist and before you say... no being a revolutionist doesn't mean you have to love castro, Mao and Stalin....

Bartley I don't know that well but I'll guess he's a liberal tree hugger too.

I wouldn't deride them to much...Your going to need these people in the coming decades, coz your like what late 20s? By the time your my age, the world's gonna look a lot different for you, the solutions aren't simple and there not cheap but hey,thems the choices you got.

.

.

.

I'm not really a fan of politicans but your going to have them one way or another

She is not a fucking liberal. I am a fucking liberal. She is a feminazi who wants to use the state to achieve all her goals, the good and bad ones. Liberals believe in less laws not more. .

No you've read to much about neo liberalism..... That is just another right wing crock of shit for raping mother earth...

Oh yeah what you want is less laws and call yourself liberal, everything will be terrific, honest, I won't fuck you over!.

FDR was a liberal, David Owen was a liberal... None of them believe in this less laws bollocks because at heart anyone with half brain knows that people will fuck you over

Liberty is achieved without an authoritarian figure no?

I'm actually all for laws that move technology on quicker. That's why I like green issues. I don't actually give a shit about polar bears and frankly it wouldn't bother me if the whole thing was a scam, the fact that it's moving technologies forward at a quicker pace than they otherwise would it all I care about.

The laws I don't want are the feminazi bullshit that Caroline supports like basically wanting to ban porn etc..

Most hard core supporters of anything have what could be described as ridiculous ideas in reaching they're goals.

If you look at her direction of where she's going with the green party or for that matter the green party in general you can clearly see they have "larger" goals than "green" ones.

Frankly how we treat the planet is appalling, how we treat other humans is shocking and how we treat other species is beyond cruel..... Anybody that thinks we could reduce laws is either a maniac or deluded, it seems unfortunately to get some decent laws your going to get some stupid laws but it's still probably better than the alternative

Who is 'we'. I don't think I'm cruel to other humans... unless they post something stupid on the forums.

The biggest tragedies are committed by bureaucracies. People do things when they become a cog in the machine, that they would never do as an individual. This is not my opinion, many psychological studies have confirmed this.

What we need is to break up so many of the mass bureaucracies and get back to proper fucking capitalism with some decent regulation. "

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Regulations are laws by another name, if you look at say the libertarian movement in the US, they want to remove regulations, the conservatives want to remove regulations, the democrats, the republicans even the bleeding labour party removed loads of regulations.

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"We" is a general answer to the human population, as a whole were not great at doing the honourable thing and I don't think it's a general human trait either, we run a system based on greed and competition, to imagine we won't get greedy and competitive on the honourable stuff is crazy!.

In fact you could say it's a genuine trait that despite a system run on greed and competition we still occasionally turn out the opposite way.

The odd thing is i actually share your hated of people who wish to ban things despite being a person who things we need to ban things!!! It's a conundrum

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Where all the tree huggers at? .

There ain't none, well there's a few here and there! Not enough to actually matter though.

So Caroline Lucas, she's an animal loving, nuke hating, planet loving tree hugging liberal.... There's worse things in life to be, if you wanna change the world you have to be a revolutionist and before you say... no being a revolutionist doesn't mean you have to love castro, Mao and Stalin....

Bartley I don't know that well but I'll guess he's a liberal tree hugger too.

I wouldn't deride them to much...Your going to need these people in the coming decades, coz your like what late 20s? By the time your my age, the world's gonna look a lot different for you, the solutions aren't simple and there not cheap but hey,thems the choices you got.

.

.

.

I'm not really a fan of politicans but your going to have them one way or another

She is not a fucking liberal. I am a fucking liberal. She is a feminazi who wants to use the state to achieve all her goals, the good and bad ones. Liberals believe in less laws not more. .

No you've read to much about neo liberalism..... That is just another right wing crock of shit for raping mother earth...

Oh yeah what you want is less laws and call yourself liberal, everything will be terrific, honest, I won't fuck you over!.

FDR was a liberal, David Owen was a liberal... None of them believe in this less laws bollocks because at heart anyone with half brain knows that people will fuck you over

Liberty is achieved without an authoritarian figure no?

I'm actually all for laws that move technology on quicker. That's why I like green issues. I don't actually give a shit about polar bears and frankly it wouldn't bother me if the whole thing was a scam, the fact that it's moving technologies forward at a quicker pace than they otherwise would it all I care about.

The laws I don't want are the feminazi bullshit that Caroline supports like basically wanting to ban porn etc..

Most hard core supporters of anything have what could be described as ridiculous ideas in reaching they're goals.

If you look at her direction of where she's going with the green party or for that matter the green party in general you can clearly see they have "larger" goals than "green" ones.

Frankly how we treat the planet is appalling, how we treat other humans is shocking and how we treat other species is beyond cruel..... Anybody that thinks we could reduce laws is either a maniac or deluded, it seems unfortunately to get some decent laws your going to get some stupid laws but it's still probably better than the alternative

Who is 'we'. I don't think I'm cruel to other humans... unless they post something stupid on the forums.

The biggest tragedies are committed by bureaucracies. People do things when they become a cog in the machine, that they would never do as an individual. This is not my opinion, many psychological studies have confirmed this.

What we need is to break up so many of the mass bureaucracies and get back to proper fucking capitalism with some decent regulation. .

Regulations are laws by another name, if you look at say the libertarian movement in the US, they want to remove regulations, the conservatives want to remove regulations, the democrats, the republicans even the bleeding labour party removed loads of regulations.

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"We" is a general answer to the human population, as a whole were not great at doing the honourable thing and I don't think it's a general human trait either, we run a system based on greed and competition, to imagine we won't get greedy and competitive on the honourable stuff is crazy!.

In fact you could say it's a genuine trait that despite a system run on greed and competition we still occasionally turn out the opposite way.

The odd thing is i actually share your hated of people who wish to ban things despite being a person who things we need to ban things!!! It's a conundrum"

Regulation and laws are different. If a bank comes to a regulator and says "I've got an idea for a product, it's called a credit default swap can I sell it?" Then regulation is the "yes / no" answer to that. Laws are what give the regulator the right to make that decision without a law.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"No disrespect but what the fuck do you know about green issues?

I think you know fuck all expect you've got a recycling bin which the council forced on you but you hate?.... Yeah that's another reason you hate the EU, they make you septate tins from rubbish... Oh the hardship.

Your a western wealthy dick without a fucking slightest clue about anything except what manifests into your pathetic hedonistic lifestyle.... It's all about you and what's in it for you!! That's why your brexiter and everybody that happens to have all the facts and scientific evidence to say your life style is quite frankly stupid and cuntish is a moron according to your massive self opinionated righteousness...

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I don't mean to be harsh but I've met your "people" before... Your grandad was a brown shirt

was that directed at me?

I know as much about green issues as yourself, basically, fuck all. I won't respond to the rest of the post, we've all been pissed on a saturday night, other than the bit about my grandad who went voloumtarily to fight against Franco so hardly a brown shirt.

Oh and maybe it's time you got some new shoes now then, they must stink as much as your attitude to life"

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My attitude to life is just fine, my shoes are like practically new, you'd be surprised what people send to charity shops these days.

I get pissed alot not just on Saturday nights ...I think tonight's Sunday .

It wasn't really directed at anybody but I like the fact you thought it was!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Where all the tree huggers at? .

There ain't none, well there's a few here and there! Not enough to actually matter though.

So Caroline Lucas, she's an animal loving, nuke hating, planet loving tree hugging liberal.... There's worse things in life to be, if you wanna change the world you have to be a revolutionist and before you say... no being a revolutionist doesn't mean you have to love castro, Mao and Stalin....

Bartley I don't know that well but I'll guess he's a liberal tree hugger too.

I wouldn't deride them to much...Your going to need these people in the coming decades, coz your like what late 20s? By the time your my age, the world's gonna look a lot different for you, the solutions aren't simple and there not cheap but hey,thems the choices you got.

.

.

.

I'm not really a fan of politicans but your going to have them one way or another

She is not a fucking liberal. I am a fucking liberal. She is a feminazi who wants to use the state to achieve all her goals, the good and bad ones. Liberals believe in less laws not more. .

No you've read to much about neo liberalism..... That is just another right wing crock of shit for raping mother earth...

Oh yeah what you want is less laws and call yourself liberal, everything will be terrific, honest, I won't fuck you over!.

FDR was a liberal, David Owen was a liberal... None of them believe in this less laws bollocks because at heart anyone with half brain knows that people will fuck you over

Liberty is achieved without an authoritarian figure no?

I'm actually all for laws that move technology on quicker. That's why I like green issues. I don't actually give a shit about polar bears and frankly it wouldn't bother me if the whole thing was a scam, the fact that it's moving technologies forward at a quicker pace than they otherwise would it all I care about.

The laws I don't want are the feminazi bullshit that Caroline supports like basically wanting to ban porn etc..

Most hard core supporters of anything have what could be described as ridiculous ideas in reaching they're goals.

If you look at her direction of where she's going with the green party or for that matter the green party in general you can clearly see they have "larger" goals than "green" ones.

Frankly how we treat the planet is appalling, how we treat other humans is shocking and how we treat other species is beyond cruel..... Anybody that thinks we could reduce laws is either a maniac or deluded, it seems unfortunately to get some decent laws your going to get some stupid laws but it's still probably better than the alternative

Who is 'we'. I don't think I'm cruel to other humans... unless they post something stupid on the forums.

The biggest tragedies are committed by bureaucracies. People do things when they become a cog in the machine, that they would never do as an individual. This is not my opinion, many psychological studies have confirmed this.

What we need is to break up so many of the mass bureaucracies and get back to proper fucking capitalism with some decent regulation. .

Regulations are laws by another name, if you look at say the libertarian movement in the US, they want to remove regulations, the conservatives want to remove regulations, the democrats, the republicans even the bleeding labour party removed loads of regulations.

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"We" is a general answer to the human population, as a whole were not great at doing the honourable thing and I don't think it's a general human trait either, we run a system based on greed and competition, to imagine we won't get greedy and competitive on the honourable stuff is crazy!.

In fact you could say it's a genuine trait that despite a system run on greed and competition we still occasionally turn out the opposite way.

The odd thing is i actually share your hated of people who wish to ban things despite being a person who things we need to ban things!!! It's a conundrum

Regulation and laws are different. If a bank comes to a regulator and says "I've got an idea for a product, it's called a credit default swap can I sell it?" Then regulation is the "yes / no" answer to that. Laws are what give the regulator the right to make that decision without a law. "

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So when your offering a share in profits for your fracking to locals is that a regulatory law or just a bribe?.

What about when government change laws to say that now Westminster will have final say over local planning on fracking rigs but word it to sound like their doing it to overturn local permission to frack??.

A regulator enforces regulation passed by Government they don't make the regulation perse but they can give guidance on what the regulation should be!.

Occasionally regulation is law, the gas regulations are prosecutable under law, the police can arrest you for working on gas without the correct authority, unlike the iee wiring regulations which are non statutory but can be used against you in a court of law in the case of an accident!... In effect the iee wiring regulations are law unless you can prove it wrong in court.... When governance speak about regulatory burden on business what they actually mean alot of the time is getting rid of standards that lets say... Build nuclear power stations... Fear not you can rely on the good will of that libertarian building it to do a jolly good job... No regulation needed

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over a year ago


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Regulation and laws are different. If a bank comes to a regulator and says "I've got an idea for a product, it's called a credit default swap can I sell it?" Then regulation is the "yes / no" answer to that. Laws are what give the regulator the right to make that decision without a law. .

So when your offering a share in profits for your fracking to locals is that a regulatory law or just a bribe?.

What about when government change laws to say that now Westminster will have final say over local planning on fracking rigs but word it to sound like their doing it to overturn local permission to frack??.

A regulator enforces regulation passed by Government they don't make the regulation perse but they can give guidance on what the regulation should be!.

Occasionally regulation is law, the gas regulations are prosecutable under law, the police can arrest you for working on gas without the correct authority, unlike the iee wiring regulations which are non statutory but can be used against you in a court of law in the case of an accident!... In effect the iee wiring regulations are law unless you can prove it wrong in court.... When governance speak about regulatory burden on business what they actually mean alot of the time is getting rid of standards that lets say... Build nuclear power stations... Fear not you can rely on the good will of that libertarian building it to do a jolly good job... No regulation needed "

Way outside of my expertise to comment really. I know a bit about the (lack of) regulation that caused the 2008 financial crisis. Although that was a perfect storm of bad laws and bad regulation. You can thank Bill Clinton for the financial services modernisation act, without which credit default swaps wouldn't be legal and without which the crash wouldn't have been possible. American readers could also not vote for his wife. But also the regulators failed to list credit default swaps as insurance products which could have also prevented the crash. I'm going to admit that Bill was probably too stupid or too busy with cigars and vaginas to foresee what credit default swaps would become so the regulator gets more blame in my opinion.

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over a year ago

Just to get back to OP's original comment. Yep, the greens have some important messages and actually some interesting policies - whether you like conservation issues or whether you want to see technology be pushed harder to develop and meet modern era demands.

It just saddens me that these get intermingled with rather stupid policies. I'm all for equality in every aspect of society but there are some ridiculous 'feminist' policies there.

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over a year ago

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"I think the Green Party have an important message that never got anywhere because of their comically bad leader Natalie Bennett. Just go on YouTube if you want an overview of how not to do political interviews.

So I was rather hoping she would be replaced by someone who was not a moron. She's actually been replaced by two people - Jonathan Bartley and Caroline Lucas.

Caroline is about as media savvy as her predecessor. She famously challenged George Osborne in parliament with "it is simply irresponsible to imply to borrowing is always bad". He replied with "when is the moment you could stop borrowing and run a surplus?" Anyone hoping she might make good use of the limelight had their optimism destroyed when she replied "you stop borrowing when you can no longer afford to pay back". Facepalm. "

Whatever the problems with the Green Party polices or with Ms Lucas politically, I believe there is a need for a political party that puts the environment and our relationship with it at the centre of politics. I not one for being a sandal wearing environmentalist, but a green party with a professional, international, urban focus would get my vote.

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"I think the Green Party have an important message that never got anywhere because of their comically bad leader Natalie Bennett. Just go on YouTube if you want an overview of how not to do political interviews.

So I was rather hoping she would be replaced by someone who was not a moron. She's actually been replaced by two people - Jonathan Bartley and Caroline Lucas.

Caroline is about as media savvy as her predecessor. She famously challenged George Osborne in parliament with "it is simply irresponsible to imply to borrowing is always bad". He replied with "when is the moment you could stop borrowing and run a surplus?" Anyone hoping she might make good use of the limelight had their optimism destroyed when she replied "you stop borrowing when you can no longer afford to pay back". Facepalm.

Whatever the problems with the Green Party polices or with Ms Lucas politically, I believe there is a need for a political party that puts the environment and our relationship with it at the centre of politics. I not one for being a sandal wearing environmentalist, but a green party with a professional, international, urban focus would get my vote."

Agree, hence why it's so disappointing that they keep choosing idiots as their leader. I thought that was labours speciality.

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