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"I think it is quite a difficult point of conversation for those who are more Brexit oriented. Many vocal Brexiters were outraged at International Conglomerates getting away with paying far too little tax at the expense of home grown businesses (and people) who can't get away with anything. EU tax rules were a target of Brexit and now we are in the peculiar position of the EU coming down hard on perceived tax avoidance and the new Brexit UK offering Apple tax deals to come here... We either want internationals paying their tax just like everyone else, or we don't. There is some irony in the position that Brexit now means the UKI becoming a tax haven for internationals lol." well it would be difficult for thick 'Little Englanders' but I think you're missing the point. It is about independant nations being able to set their own rates of tax and the UK hasn't offered Apple any special deal to come here, just said that it offers competitive rates of tax if they wished to. And do you think that Brexiters were any more outraged at International Conglomerates paying too little tax than Remainers were? Are you a little miffed that the UK might become a more attractive place for companies to invest in and you got things wrong? | |||
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"I think it is quite a difficult point of conversation for those who are more Brexit oriented. Many vocal Brexiters were outraged at International Conglomerates getting away with paying far too little tax at the expense of home grown businesses (and people) who can't get away with anything. EU tax rules were a target of Brexit and now we are in the peculiar position of the EU coming down hard on perceived tax avoidance and the new Brexit UK offering Apple tax deals to come here... We either want internationals paying their tax just like everyone else, or we don't. There is some irony in the position that Brexit now means the UKI becoming a tax haven for internationals lol. well it would be difficult for thick 'Little Englanders' but I think you're missing the point. It is about independant nations being able to set their own rates of tax and the UK hasn't offered Apple any special deal to come here, just said that it offers competitive rates of tax if they wished to. And do you think that Brexiters were any more outraged at International Conglomerates paying too little tax than Remainers were? Are you a little miffed that the UK might become a more attractive place for companies to invest in and you got things wrong?" Yes I am stupid like that. I want Corporation Tax kept high so I can shoot myself in the foot every November. | |||
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"I think it is quite a difficult point of conversation for those who are more Brexit oriented. Many vocal Brexiters were outraged at International Conglomerates getting away with paying far too little tax at the expense of home grown businesses (and people) who can't get away with anything. EU tax rules were a target of Brexit and now we are in the peculiar position of the EU coming down hard on perceived tax avoidance and the new Brexit UK offering Apple tax deals to come here... We either want internationals paying their tax just like everyone else, or we don't. There is some irony in the position that Brexit now means the UKI becoming a tax haven for internationals lol. well it would be difficult for thick 'Little Englanders' but I think you're missing the point. It is about independant nations being able to set their own rates of tax and the UK hasn't offered Apple any special deal to come here, just said that it offers competitive rates of tax if they wished to. And do you think that Brexiters were any more outraged at International Conglomerates paying too little tax than Remainers were? Are you a little miffed that the UK might become a more attractive place for companies to invest in and you got things wrong? Yes I am stupid like that. I want Corporation Tax kept high so I can shoot myself in the foot every November." well I really don't understand why you said this is a difficult conversation for Brexiters | |||
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"I think it is quite a difficult point of conversation for those who are more Brexit oriented. Many vocal Brexiters were outraged at International Conglomerates getting away with paying far too little tax at the expense of home grown businesses (and people) who can't get away with anything. EU tax rules were a target of Brexit and now we are in the peculiar position of the EU coming down hard on perceived tax avoidance and the new Brexit UK offering Apple tax deals to come here... We either want internationals paying their tax just like everyone else, or we don't. There is some irony in the position that Brexit now means the UKI becoming a tax haven for internationals lol. well it would be difficult for thick 'Little Englanders' but I think you're missing the point. It is about independant nations being able to set their own rates of tax and the UK hasn't offered Apple any special deal to come here, just said that it offers competitive rates of tax if they wished to. And do you think that Brexiters were any more outraged at International Conglomerates paying too little tax than Remainers were? Are you a little miffed that the UK might become a more attractive place for companies to invest in and you got things wrong?" That is exactly the point. Why I don't agree with corporations tax avoidance schemes it appears Apple were paying tax at a level of acceptance for the Irish Government. So its not tax avoidance more a benefit or rebate. Probably on the basis it creates thousands of direct jobs and subsequently 100s more indirectly. Thus aiding the economy. But the 13bn being quoted that the EU want seems vaguely familiar. A cynic would say its replacing the UKs subsidy for a year. And I'm a cynic  So who wants to bet they wont go after more companies? | |||
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"What is interesting is that the Irish Government actually desperately needs this 13bn of tax money; But is reluctant to take it; Don't forget; the EU didn't say "pay it to the EU" they said " pay it to Ireland ". The EU really should have demanded that the 13 Bn was paid , not to Ireland, but tongue EU ( as a fine on Ireland for blatantly undermining competitiveness against its neighbours )" . It's not about competitiveness the EU took the action because in effect it's a subsidy, the tax rate of 0.005? was not available to other companies but just to apple for basing it's headquarters in cork. Now if there'd said everybody was entitled to that tax rate then the EU wouldn't have taken the action they had.... Although i happen to agree with you, Ireland considering its dealing with a 2 billon deficit could have done with the money very nicely, I mean its pretty much 7 years deficit money?. | |||
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"What is interesting is that the Irish Government actually desperately needs this 13bn of tax money; But is reluctant to take it; Don't forget; the EU didn't say "pay it to the EU" they said " pay it to Ireland ". The EU really should have demanded that the 13 Bn was paid , not to Ireland, but tongue EU ( as a fine on Ireland for blatantly undermining competitiveness against its neighbours ). It's not about competitiveness the EU took the action because in effect it's a subsidy, the tax rate of 0.005? was not available to other companies but just to apple for basing it's headquarters in cork. Now if there'd said everybody was entitled to that tax rate then the EU wouldn't have taken the action they had.... Although i happen to agree with you, Ireland considering its dealing with a 2 billon deficit could have done with the money very nicely, I mean its pretty much 7 years deficit money?. " Indeed ; it was effectively a subsidy , but was nevertheless a cheat by the Irish Govt in collusion with Apple, which also prevented other countries fairly competing for Apple's business ( should they have wanted it) | |||
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"...to mention the EU's decision to take on Apple over their agreed tax rate with Ireland. Seems to over step the mark and questions whether The Replublic of Ireland can be considered a sovereign state if the EU can dictate to them. I know it stinks of corporate tax avoidance but surely that isn't the point. This is the sort of influence the EU are trying to enforce that made me vote leave." What has EU President Jean Claude Junker said on the matter? I only ask as he has a well documented history of facilitating and helping large multinational companies on tax evasion/avoidance in his home country of Luxembourg when he was Prime Minister there. | |||
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"I think it is quite a difficult point of conversation for those who are more Brexit oriented. Many vocal Brexiters were outraged at International Conglomerates getting away with paying far too little tax at the expense of home grown businesses (and people) who can't get away with anything. EU tax rules were a target of Brexit and now we are in the peculiar position of the EU coming down hard on perceived tax avoidance and the new Brexit UK offering Apple tax deals to come here... We either want internationals paying their tax just like everyone else, or we don't. There is some irony in the position that Brexit now means the UKI becoming a tax haven for internationals lol. well it would be difficult for thick 'Little Englanders' but I think you're missing the point. It is about independant nations being able to set their own rates of tax and the UK hasn't offered Apple any special deal to come here, just said that it offers competitive rates of tax if they wished to. And do you think that Brexiters were any more outraged at International Conglomerates paying too little tax than Remainers were? Are you a little miffed that the UK might become a more attractive place for companies to invest in and you got things wrong? That is exactly the point. Why I don't agree with corporations tax avoidance schemes it appears Apple were paying tax at a level of acceptance for the Irish Government. So its not tax avoidance more a benefit or rebate. Probably on the basis it creates thousands of direct jobs and subsequently 100s more indirectly. Thus aiding the economy. But the 13bn being quoted that the EU want seems vaguely familiar. A cynic would say its replacing the UKs subsidy for a year. And I'm a cynic So who wants to bet they wont go after more companies?"The €13billion is going to Ireland not the EU! | |||
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"I think it is quite a difficult point of conversation for those who are more Brexit oriented. Many vocal Brexiters were outraged at International Conglomerates getting away with paying far too little tax at the expense of home grown businesses (and people) who can't get away with anything. EU tax rules were a target of Brexit and now we are in the peculiar position of the EU coming down hard on perceived tax avoidance and the new Brexit UK offering Apple tax deals to come here... We either want internationals paying their tax just like everyone else, or we don't. There is some irony in the position that Brexit now means the UKI becoming a tax haven for internationals lol. well it would be difficult for thick 'Little Englanders' but I think you're missing the point. It is about independant nations being able to set their own rates of tax and the UK hasn't offered Apple any special deal to come here, just said that it offers competitive rates of tax if they wished to. And do you think that Brexiters were any more outraged at International Conglomerates paying too little tax than Remainers were? Are you a little miffed that the UK might become a more attractive place for companies to invest in and you got things wrong? That is exactly the point. Why I don't agree with corporations tax avoidance schemes it appears Apple were paying tax at a level of acceptance for the Irish Government. So its not tax avoidance more a benefit or rebate. Probably on the basis it creates thousands of direct jobs and subsequently 100s more indirectly. Thus aiding the economy. But the 13bn being quoted that the EU want seems vaguely familiar. A cynic would say its replacing the UKs subsidy for a year. And I'm a cynic So who wants to bet they wont go after more companies?
The €13billion is going to Ireland not the EU! "I hold my hands up, when the news first broke the economic expert said the EU were seeking the money for themselves. Goes to show what happens when you trust an expert  | |||
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