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"An Australian senator has said on Australian TV that climate change is a conspiracy between NASA and the UN to create an unelected world government. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-australia-37091391 Are you convinced that climate change is real and man made, or is it a conspiracy by NASA and the UN? " I don't know anything about climate change so can't really comment on its scientific validity. I do know something about at the UN and can say that it is about as close to being a world government as Elvis is. It's one of the most corrupt, incompetent and hypocritical organisations the world has ever seen. They couldn't organise a piss up in a brewery, let alone a world government. | |||
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"An Australian senator has said on Australian TV that climate change is a conspiracy between NASA and the UN to create an unelected world government. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-australia-37091391 Are you convinced that climate change is real and man made, or is it a conspiracy by NASA and the UN? I don't know anything about climate change so can't really comment on its scientific validity. I do know something about at the UN and can say that it is about as close to being a world government as Elvis is. It's one of the most corrupt, incompetent and hypocritical organisations the world has ever seen. They couldn't organise a piss up in a brewery, let alone a world government. " i blame thatcher  | |||
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"An Australian senator has said on Australian TV that climate change is a conspiracy between NASA and the UN to create an unelected world government. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-australia-37091391 Are you convinced that climate change is real and man made, or is it a conspiracy by NASA and the UN? I don't know anything about climate change so can't really comment on its scientific validity. I do know something about at the UN and can say that it is about as close to being a world government as Elvis is. It's one of the most corrupt, incompetent and hypocritical organisations the world has ever seen. They couldn't organise a piss up in a brewery, let alone a world government. i blame thatcher ""Thatcher" don't be insane; its Brexit that's causing the problems including global warming and all them 17 million plus Bexiteers that voted for it are just adding to the problem Brexit is to blame  | |||
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"An Australian senator has said on Australian TV that climate change is a conspiracy between NASA and the UN to create an unelected world government. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-australia-37091391 Are you convinced that climate change is real and man made, or is it a conspiracy by NASA and the UN? " . Unfortunately these fruit cakes who belive this fucking nonsense are everywhere, the head of the us senate body for science and technology actually belives similar, Ted Cruz, Marco rubio, Donald trump and pretty much every Republican candidate for the primaries are also fruitbat fucking nut job idiots who also can't grasp science, the UK Tory party has a few of them as well... And as you can see this place has one as well!!... At least have the honesty to say, yeah I belive it but I'm too happy fucking the place up to give a shit about my kids or anybody else | |||
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"An Australian senator has said on Australian TV that climate change is a conspiracy between NASA and the UN to create an unelected world government. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-australia-37091391 Are you convinced that climate change is real and man made, or is it a conspiracy by NASA and the UN? " It was quite amusing listening to Prof Brian Cox take him apart, especially the 'I've anticipated this and brought the graphs, look at the lines'.  | |||
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"For anyone that's ever seen the Stephen king film the mist.... If you think about the woman in the supermarket there trapped with... Well she will be the epitome of what the fruitbats will turn into when eventually it all goes tits up...... It's gods will I tell yer, it's the retribution.... No actually it was your constant fucking flying, driving, meat eating, wasting lifestyle.... Somebody pass me the gun "I drive, fly often and eat copious amounts of meat. I haven't wasted a thing. | |||
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"For anyone that's ever seen the Stephen king film the mist.... If you think about the woman in the supermarket there trapped with... Well she will be the epitome of what the fruitbats will turn into when eventually it all goes tits up...... It's gods will I tell yer, it's the retribution.... No actually it was your constant fucking flying, driving, meat eating, wasting lifestyle.... Somebody pass me the gun
I drive, fly often and eat copious amounts of meat. I haven't wasted a thing. "Don't anger him goodness! Best check under your car before you drive to work tomorrow!!! | |||
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"For anyone that's ever seen the Stephen king film the mist.... If you think about the woman in the supermarket there trapped with... Well she will be the epitome of what the fruitbats will turn into when eventually it all goes tits up...... It's gods will I tell yer, it's the retribution.... No actually it was your constant fucking flying, driving, meat eating, wasting lifestyle.... Somebody pass me the gun "But? can you handle a gun !!!!! | |||
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"For anyone that's ever seen the Stephen king film the mist.... If you think about the woman in the supermarket there trapped with... Well she will be the epitome of what the fruitbats will turn into when eventually it all goes tits up...... It's gods will I tell yer, it's the retribution.... No actually it was your constant fucking flying, driving, meat eating, wasting lifestyle.... Somebody pass me the gun
I drive, fly often and eat copious amounts of meat. I haven't wasted a thing. ". Well according to scientific advice you'll probably get cancer from your copious meat eating so the climate change might be a bit far for you to worry about!....I don't mean that I hope you get cancer, I'm just giving you the advice based on data | |||
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"But? can you handle a gun !!!!! "They are not guns! They are small arms! revolvers, pistols, rifles, machine guns et al... Guns are artillery pieces or fitted to tanks and warships! 
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"For anyone that's ever seen the Stephen king film the mist.... If you think about the woman in the supermarket there trapped with... Well she will be the epitome of what the fruitbats will turn into when eventually it all goes tits up...... It's gods will I tell yer, it's the retribution.... No actually it was your constant fucking flying, driving, meat eating, wasting lifestyle.... Somebody pass me the gun
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can you handle a gun !!!!!
". You mean can I shoot something that's living just because I can and it makes me feel God like!!. Probably, i just choose not to because it's the right thing to choose... Like choosing not to fly, choosing not to waste c02 on pointless bollocks while throwing heavy metals on my skin in an attempt to colour it through radiation but which will mostly likely give me skin cancer anyhow, choosing not to swap my car just because I'm bored of the two year old one I've bought on credit like my kitchen, holiday, house, furniture and giant TV.... because I really really really need to watch Corrie in high definition 3d.... While bemoaning the fact I have to work 50hrs a week to buy this shit I don't need.... No i choose not to do this insanity which science and empirical data shows will kill me and my 15k ivf kids which I also bought on credit in only 30 years time.... Do I give a shit, not anymore, I still choose not to do it myself because I belive it's the decent and right thing to do. | |||
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"For anyone that's ever seen the Stephen king film the mist.... If you think about the woman in the supermarket there trapped with... Well she will be the epitome of what the fruitbats will turn into when eventually it all goes tits up...... It's gods will I tell yer, it's the retribution.... No actually it was your constant fucking flying, driving, meat eating, wasting lifestyle.... Somebody pass me the gun
I drive, fly often and eat copious amounts of meat. I haven't wasted a thing. .
Well according to scientific advice you'll probably get cancer from your copious meat eating so the climate change might be a bit far for you to worry about!....I don't mean that I hope you get cancer, I'm just giving you the advice based on data"Are you a vegitarian by any chance? not judging you just asking? as you seem to be obsessed with people eating meat? | |||
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"For anyone that's ever seen the Stephen king film the mist.... If you think about the woman in the supermarket there trapped with... Well she will be the epitome of what the fruitbats will turn into when eventually it all goes tits up...... It's gods will I tell yer, it's the retribution.... No actually it was your constant fucking flying, driving, meat eating, wasting lifestyle.... Somebody pass me the gun "I have to drive everyday. Its a full 5 minute walk to the station otherwise. Although if its raining I drive all the way to work. My car burns the fuel but sitting in traffic for an hour sure as hell beats getting wet for the 2 minute walk from the DLR after 10 minutes on the train and 10 on the DLR. And just so you know I am a vegan by default. I only eat animals that aren't fed meat  | |||
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"For anyone that's ever seen the Stephen king film the mist.... If you think about the woman in the supermarket there trapped with... Well she will be the epitome of what the fruitbats will turn into when eventually it all goes tits up...... It's gods will I tell yer, it's the retribution.... No actually it was your constant fucking flying, driving, meat eating, wasting lifestyle.... Somebody pass me the gun
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You mean can I shoot something that's living just because I can and it makes me feel God like!!.
Probably, i just choose not to because it's the right thing to choose... Like choosing not to fly, choosing not to waste c02 on pointless bollocks "No, I mean can You handle a gun, do you know how to check to see if a gun is unloaded? do you know how to ensure a gun is in safe condition for loading? do you know how to load a magazine then insert it into a rifle or hand gun? do you know how to insert first round from magazine into chamber of firearm being used? Do you know how to remove the safety (if indeed you had it on in the first place) Do you know what to do, what actions to take under a miss fire where you have fired and the primer has been hit but has not fired the round? Do you know what actions to take if you get a round jammed in the loading chamber? I could go on and on, handling a gun is not simply picking one up and firing, hoping that all goes well you need to be fully trained and know what to do if something simple goes wrong don't worry, many police firearm inspectors do not even know how to inspect and handle some guns, specifically "Southern gun" make | |||
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"To get back on to the original topic. Yes the guy is a nut job, if he bothered to read a GCSE and A level Chemistry and Geography text book he'd probably know enough to see how wrong he is. I could personally arrange some university level tuition for him. Seriously, it's arses like him which hinder the global community in getting differing governments to operate with one another to tackle anthropocentric climate change at an international government level. I watched the entire thing and Professor Brian Cox is the science babe he usually is and schools the crap out of him. " But he didnt school the crap out of him did he. As with many climate change zealots he used ridicule to make his point. "The overwhelming connsensus" and then waved the graph at him. Many, many people struggle to understand how a trace gas can have such an effect on the climate of the planet and any argument that there might be has not been sold in any meaningful way to the general population. I and I am guessing many other people don't want to just be told that the overwhelming opinion is..... There has been many overwhelming opinions and consenus through mankinds existence on this planet that turned out to be plain wrong. | |||
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"To get back on to the original topic. Yes the guy is a nut job, if he bothered to read a GCSE and A level Chemistry and Geography text book he'd probably know enough to see how wrong he is. I could personally arrange some university level tuition for him. Seriously, it's arses like him which hinder the global community in getting differing governments to operate with one another to tackle anthropocentric climate change at an international government level. I watched the entire thing and Professor Brian Cox is the science babe he usually is and schools the crap out of him. But he didnt school the crap out of him did he. As with many climate change zealots he used ridicule to make his point. "The overwhelming connsensus" and then waved the graph at him. Many, many people struggle to understand how a trace gas can have such an effect on the climate of the planet and any argument that there might be has not been sold in any meaningful way to the general population. I and I am guessing many other people don't want to just be told that the overwhelming opinion is..... There has been many overwhelming opinions and consenus through mankinds existence on this planet that turned out to be plain wrong. " . As a gas engineer I might be able to help you with your problem of rasionality with "trace" gases. Take back carbon dioxides sister carbon monoxide(that's the one you worry about from your boiler). At 35 ppm in your house you'll start to experience headaches after about 8 hours exposure. At 200ppm that will only take about 3 hours. At 800 ppm you'll get convulsions, sickness and dizziness within an hour. At about 3000 ppm you'll be dead within 20 minutes. At about 12000 ppm about 1% of the atmosphere you'll make about 3 breathes before dieing. . . Now I'm afraid you'll just have to take science for granted on those facts unless you want to try it out for yourself.... Many people tried the hosepipe in the window trick.... Turns out science was right all along  | |||
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"To get back on to the original topic. Yes the guy is a nut job, if he bothered to read a GCSE and A level Chemistry and Geography text book he'd probably know enough to see how wrong he is. I could personally arrange some university level tuition for him. Seriously, it's arses like him which hinder the global community in getting differing governments to operate with one another to tackle anthropocentric climate change at an international government level. I watched the entire thing and Professor Brian Cox is the science babe he usually is and schools the crap out of him. But he didnt school the crap out of him did he. As with many climate change zealots he used ridicule to make his point. "The overwhelming connsensus" and then waved the graph at him. Many, many people struggle to understand how a trace gas can have such an effect on the climate of the planet and any argument that there might be has not been sold in any meaningful way to the general population. I and I am guessing many other people don't want to just be told that the overwhelming opinion is..... There has been many overwhelming opinions and consenus through mankinds existence on this planet that turned out to be plain wrong. " OK but there two statements to evaluate. One is about climate change and the other is about the reason for the 'invention' of climate change. The latter statement is the easier to debunk. | |||
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"To get back on to the original topic. Yes the guy is a nut job, if he bothered to read a GCSE and A level Chemistry and Geography text book he'd probably know enough to see how wrong he is. I could personally arrange some university level tuition for him. Seriously, it's arses like him which hinder the global community in getting differing governments to operate with one another to tackle anthropocentric climate change at an international government level. I watched the entire thing and Professor Brian Cox is the science babe he usually is and schools the crap out of him. But he didnt school the crap out of him did he. As with many climate change zealots he used ridicule to make his point. "The overwhelming connsensus" and then waved the graph at him. Many, many people struggle to understand how a trace gas can have such an effect on the climate of the planet and any argument that there might be has not been sold in any meaningful way to the general population. I and I am guessing many other people don't want to just be told that the overwhelming opinion is..... There has been many overwhelming opinions and consenus through mankinds existence on this planet that turned out to be plain wrong. . As a gas engineer I might be able to help you with your problem of rasionality with "trace" gases. Take back carbon dioxides sister carbon monoxide(that's the one you worry about from your boiler). At 35 ppm in your house you'll start to experience headaches after about 8 hours exposure. At 200ppm that will only take about 3 hours. At 800 ppm you'll get convulsions, sickness and dizziness within an hour. At about 3000 ppm you'll be dead within 20 minutes. At about 12000 ppm about 1% of the atmosphere you'll make about 3 breathes before dieing. . . Now I'm afraid you'll just have to take science for granted on those facts unless you want to try it out for yourself.... Many people tried the hosepipe in the window trick.... Turns out science was right all along "you mean your a plumber  | |||
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"What has carbon monoxide poisoning got to do with carbon dioxide in the atmosphere? Carbon monoxide is not a gas that is vital to life on earth, carbon dioxide is. Please stay on track and keep the points short, sharp and concise. Carbon Dioxide is NOT a pollutant." And the UN is not a government!! | |||
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"To get back on to the original topic. Yes the guy is a nut job, if he bothered to read a GCSE and A level Chemistry and Geography text book he'd probably know enough to see how wrong he is. I could personally arrange some university level tuition for him. Seriously, it's arses like him which hinder the global community in getting differing governments to operate with one another to tackle anthropocentric climate change at an international government level. I watched the entire thing and Professor Brian Cox is the science babe he usually is and schools the crap out of him. But he didnt school the crap out of him did he. As with many climate change zealots he used ridicule to make his point. "The overwhelming connsensus" and then waved the graph at him. Many, many people struggle to understand how a trace gas can have such an effect on the climate of the planet and any argument that there might be has not been sold in any meaningful way to the general population. I and I am guessing many other people don't want to just be told that the overwhelming opinion is..... There has been many overwhelming opinions and consenus through mankinds existence on this planet that turned out to be plain wrong. . As a gas engineer I might be able to help you with your problem of rasionality with "trace" gases. Take back carbon dioxides sister carbon monoxide(that's the one you worry about from your boiler). At 35 ppm in your house you'll start to experience headaches after about 8 hours exposure. At 200ppm that will only take about 3 hours. At 800 ppm you'll get convulsions, sickness and dizziness within an hour. At about 3000 ppm you'll be dead within 20 minutes. At about 12000 ppm about 1% of the atmosphere you'll make about 3 breathes before dieing. . . Now I'm afraid you'll just have to take science for granted on those facts unless you want to try it out for yourself.... Many people tried the hosepipe in the window trick.... Turns out science was right all along
you mean your a plumber ". Oooh a plumber...I wish I could reach those dizzy heights, alas I'm just a boiler guy | |||
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But the damage was done 200 years ago during the industrial revolution. 
Best we can hope for now is trying to control our emissions and hope we don't exacerbate the problem.
Good luck all
See you at the next ice age
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"What has carbon monoxide poisoning got to do with carbon dioxide in the atmosphere? Carbon monoxide is not a gas that is vital to life on earth, carbon dioxide is. Please stay on track and keep the points short, sharp and concise. Carbon Dioxide is NOT a pollutant." . I'm trying to give you a thought pattern on your struggling with trace gases and how there effect stuff. Notice how you go from getting a headache in a few hours at 200ppm and then convulsions, dizziness and headaches after just an increase to 800 ppm... That's a trace gas killing you!. Now let take that baby sister carbon dioxide(for which is scientifically provable as a green house gas and has been for about 150 years) we've taken it from 235 ppm to 407ppm.... So can you see now how trace gases effect things?. If all this is beyond your capability.... It's probably best to just rely on the 30,000 plus scientist experts who work in climatology.... They all agree it's man made c02 that's the cause of the warming.... . . I dunno maybe they do get together secretly and make all this shit up... Seems like a strange thing to have been doing for years for nothing like....I mean it's not like your actually paying any attention to what they fucking say!.. | |||
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"What has carbon monoxide poisoning got to do with carbon dioxide in the atmosphere? Carbon monoxide is not a gas that is vital to life on earth, carbon dioxide is. Please stay on track and keep the points short, sharp and concise. Carbon Dioxide is NOT a pollutant.. I'm trying to give you a thought pattern on your struggling with trace gases and how there effect stuff. Notice how you go from getting a headache in a few hours at 200ppm and then convulsions, dizziness and headaches after just an increase to 800 ppm... That's a trace gas killing you!. Now let take that baby sister carbon dioxide(for which is scientifically provable as a green house gas and has been for about 150 years) we've taken it from 235 ppm to 407ppm.... So can you see now how trace gases effect things?. If all this is beyond your capability.... It's probably best to just rely on the 30,000 plus scientist experts who work in climatology.... They all agree it's man made c02 that's the cause of the warming.... . . I dunno maybe they do get together secretly and make all this shit up... Seems like a strange thing to have been doing for years for nothing like....I mean it's not like your actually paying any attention to what they fucking say!.. " I thought cow fart was the problem? They were blaming the Chinese for their increased beef consumption as a major trend. | |||
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" ......we've taken it from 235 ppm to 407ppm.... So CO2 has varied in concentration from around 100ppm to 300ppm throughout the time that humans have been on earth and this is a natural cycle? 300 ppm equates to 0.0003% of the atmosphere 400 ppm equates to 0.0004% of the atmosphere In other words a change in CO2 of 0.0001% of the atmosphere is going to bring on the end of the world? To be clear, this is a change of one, one thousandth of one percent. " | |||
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"What has carbon monoxide poisoning got to do with carbon dioxide in the atmosphere? Carbon monoxide is not a gas that is vital to life on earth, carbon dioxide is. Please stay on track and keep the points short, sharp and concise. Carbon Dioxide is NOT a pollutant.. I'm trying to give you a thought pattern on your struggling with trace gases and how there effect stuff. Notice how you go from getting a headache in a few hours at 200ppm and then convulsions, dizziness and headaches after just an increase to 800 ppm... That's a trace gas killing you!. Now let take that baby sister carbon dioxide(for which is scientifically provable as a green house gas and has been for about 150 years) we've taken it from 235 ppm to 407ppm.... So can you see now how trace gases effect things?. If all this is beyond your capability.... It's probably best to just rely on the 30,000 plus scientist experts who work in climatology.... They all agree it's man made c02 that's the cause of the warming.... . . I dunno maybe they do get together secretly and make all this shit up... Seems like a strange thing to have been doing for years for nothing like....I mean it's not like your actually paying any attention to what they fucking say!.. " Its not for nothing!!! They get paid for it, so If they said all was okay, they would be out of a job think about it! | |||
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"What has carbon monoxide poisoning got to do with carbon dioxide in the atmosphere? Carbon monoxide is not a gas that is vital to life on earth, carbon dioxide is. Please stay on track and keep the points short, sharp and concise. Carbon Dioxide is NOT a pollutant.. I'm trying to give you a thought pattern on your struggling with trace gases and how there effect stuff. Notice how you go from getting a headache in a few hours at 200ppm and then convulsions, dizziness and headaches after just an increase to 800 ppm... That's a trace gas killing you!. Now let take that baby sister carbon dioxide(for which is scientifically provable as a green house gas and has been for about 150 years) we've taken it from 235 ppm to 407ppm.... So can you see now how trace gases effect things?. If all this is beyond your capability.... It's probably best to just rely on the 30,000 plus scientist experts who work in climatology.... They all agree it's man made c02 that's the cause of the warming.... . . I dunno maybe they do get together secretly and make all this shit up... Seems like a strange thing to have been doing for years for nothing like....I mean it's not like your actually paying any attention to what they fucking say!.. Its not for nothing!!! They get paid for it, so If they said all was okay, they would be out of a job think about it!" . Some of these scientists are in the top percentile in the world, there what's known as proper clever fuckers... They would hardly be struggling for a job!, if they wasn't working on this field there'd just be working on another field of expertise.... It's the equivalent of saying Albert Einstein got together with Robert Oppenheimer and just made shit up to keep their jobs in physics!.... If you actually belive they're making shit up to keep a job you need your bumps feeling! | |||
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"Simple fact. What mayor Khan , Boris or any tree hugger need to know if you get carbon dioxide down to 166 particles per what Evers of atmosphere then plants die then so do we. Simple as that. " . How would you propose getting c02 down from 405 to 166 given the fact it stays in the atmosphere for a thousand years?.... | |||
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"Climate change happens......fact! At the time of the dinosaurs there were no ice caps (too warm). Since then we have had several ice ages (too cold)....actually climate change "science" in the 60's was predicting another one being imminent. More recently...in Roman times there were massive vineyards in Northumberland. In 16/17th century there were ice fairs on the Thames which froze solid for a few months every winter. None of this was caused by man/CO2/Brexit or anything else muted on here. Climate change happens...it is random. And way beyond our control!" yes but you can't let facts get in the way of raising taxes and moving money around | |||
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"Climate change is real. Climate change is man made. If you don't believe that, then you are a nutter who ignores scientific evidence because you prefer to believe yourself and bury your head in the sand. " The founder of green peace left because of the way it's run now and the lies they tell. Temperatures ain't changed in 30 years and guess what the climate change people said. They said it's not proof the earth isn't warming up. How can you compete with that. | |||
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"Climate change is real. Climate change is man made. If you don't believe that, then you are a nutter who ignores scientific evidence because you prefer to believe yourself and bury your head in the sand. The founder of green peace left because of the way it's run now and the lies they tell. Temperatures ain't changed in 30 years and guess what the climate change people said. They said it's not proof the earth isn't warming up. How can you compete with that. " How can you complete? Start my identifying the motive for the crime? | |||
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"Climate change is real. Climate change is man made. If you don't believe that, then you are a nutter who ignores scientific evidence because you prefer to believe yourself and bury your head in the sand. The founder of green peace left because of the way it's run now and the lies they tell. Temperatures ain't changed in 30 years and guess what the climate change people said. They said it's not proof the earth isn't warming up. How can you compete with that. " Well if one guy left an organisation because he doesn't like them anymore it must mean all of those scientists must have been talking crap then. Brilliant argument.  | |||
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"Climate change is real. Climate change is man made. If you don't believe that, then you are a nutter who ignores scientific evidence because you prefer to believe yourself and bury your head in the sand. The founder of green peace left because of the way it's run now and the lies they tell. Temperatures ain't changed in 30 years and guess what the climate change people said. They said it's not proof the earth isn't warming up. How can you compete with that. Well if one guy left an organisation because he doesn't like them anymore it must mean all of those scientists must have been talking crap then. Brilliant argument. "Not one person. One of the men who founded greenpeace. What's your argument about tempreture not rising and the scientist saying that that's not an excuse for saying tempreture ain't rising. Strange ain't it. What about low admission schemes. When car companies etc change their product to adhere to the new levels they lower them again and rise the taxes. Who caused the ice age? | |||
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" Who caused the ice age? " Nobody, historians made it up to keep themselves employed, clearly | |||
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"Climate change happens......fact! At the time of the dinosaurs there were no ice caps (too warm). Since then we have had several ice ages (too cold)....actually climate change "science" in the 60's was predicting another one being imminent. More recently...in Roman times there were massive vineyards in Northumberland. In 16/17th century there were ice fairs on the Thames which froze solid for a few months every winter. None of this was caused by man/CO2/Brexit or anything else muted on here. Climate change happens...it is random. And way beyond our control!" . You started off well! Climate change happens fact!... This is true, so what do you think causes the climate to change?.. There's several known reasons why the earth has experienced natural climate change from the dynamics of a nuclear sun on its path of life to the earth's orbit around it and the wobbles on its axis. Of course the main point of these cycles is that they take hundreds of thousands of years to cycle through, large time scales allow evolution to take place on the life forms that habituate the earth. Now the driver behind climate on the earth is greenhouse gases, there very much needed to allow for a reasonable climate, if you look across to Venus which we have, we see runaway climate from very high levels of greenhouse gases, we look over to Mars with its thin atmosphere and lack of gases and we see the opposite, we've studied them for the reason of terraforming the climate on other planets. The particular problem we face from man made climate change caused by the extra greenhouse gases were emitting along with the changing landscape caused by population growth is the speed of it 100 years maximum, maybe only 30 or 50 to see the effects really taking place, this speedy increase doesn't allow for natural variation.... For instance I'll give you one of the hundreds of problems we face, there's a few main crops like wheat,barley, rice corn that pretty much feed the 7 billon people on the planet, these main crops are grown in very specific areas mostly in the large middle land masses, there very susceptible to drought, flood and bacteria/insects, were already seeing a tailing off of these core crops, yields are going down from the climate change were currently seeing, it's the whole point of the billions were spending on genetically modifying. If you just forget about being human and peer in as an observer, it's really very easy to see the problems and the solutions, even forget about fossil fuels, we've deforested most of the planet in the last 2000 years, are you really so blinded as to not see the problems that alone would cause? | |||
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"Climate change is real. Climate change is man made. If you don't believe that, then you are a nutter who ignores scientific evidence because you prefer to believe yourself and bury your head in the sand. The founder of green peace left because of the way it's run now and the lies they tell. Temperatures ain't changed in 30 years and guess what the climate change people said. They said it's not proof the earth isn't warming up. How can you compete with that. " . I'm afraid your just completely and utterly wrong. 2015 was the hottest year ever it surpassed 2014 which held the record from 2012 ....1998 is on the list with the ten hottest years recorded all coming in the last 15 years. . . By the way 2016 is set to break the record from 2015. February alone this year broke 7 temperature records and anomalies along with the north pole which also broke every record for low ice | |||
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"Climate change happens......fact! At the time of the dinosaurs there were no ice caps (too warm). Since then we have had several ice ages (too cold)....actually climate change "science" in the 60's was predicting another one being imminent. More recently...in Roman times there were massive vineyards in Northumberland. In 16/17th century there were ice fairs on the Thames which froze solid for a few months every winter. None of this was caused by man/CO2/Brexit or anything else muted on here. Climate change happens...it is random. And way beyond our control!. You started off well! Climate change happens fact!... This is true, so what do you think causes the climate to change?.. There's several known reasons why the earth has experienced natural climate change from the dynamics of a nuclear sun on its path of life to the earth's orbit around it and the wobbles on its axis. Of course the main point of these cycles is that they take hundreds of thousands of years to cycle through, large time scales allow evolution to take place on the life forms that habituate the earth. Now the driver behind climate on the earth is greenhouse gases, there very much needed to allow for a reasonable climate, if you look across to Venus which we have, we see runaway climate from very high levels of greenhouse gases, we look over to Mars with its thin atmosphere and lack of gases and we see the opposite, we've studied them for the reason of terraforming the climate on other planets. The particular problem we face from man made climate change caused by the extra greenhouse gases were emitting along with the changing landscape caused by population growth is the speed of it 100 years maximum, maybe only 30 or 50 to see the effects really taking place, this speedy increase doesn't allow for natural variation.... For instance I'll give you one of the hundreds of problems we face, there's a few main crops like wheat,barley, rice corn that pretty much feed the 7 billon people on the planet, these main crops are grown in very specific areas mostly in the large middle land masses, there very susceptible to drought, flood and bacteria/insects, were already seeing a tailing off of these core crops, yields are going down from the climate change were currently seeing, it's the whole point of the billions were spending on genetically modifying. If you just forget about being human and peer in as an observer, it's really very easy to see the problems and the solutions, even forget about fossil fuels, we've deforested most of the planet in the last 2000 years, are you really so blinded as to not see the problems that alone would cause?" Shit happens  | |||
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"Climate change is real. Climate change is man made. If you don't believe that, then you are a nutter who ignores scientific evidence because you prefer to believe yourself and bury your head in the sand. The founder of green peace left because of the way it's run now and the lies they tell. Temperatures ain't changed in 30 years and guess what the climate change people said. They said it's not proof the earth isn't warming up. How can you compete with that. . I'm afraid your just completely and utterly wrong. 2015 was the hottest year ever it surpassed 2014 which held the record from 2012 ....1998 is on the list with the ten hottest years recorded all coming in the last 15 years. . . By the way 2016 is set to break the record from 2015. February alone this year broke 7 temperature records and anomalies along with the north pole which also broke every record for low ice" So it cooled down in 2013. 76 was hotter then this year. | |||
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"Climate change is real. Climate change is man made. If you don't believe that, then you are a nutter who ignores scientific evidence because you prefer to believe yourself and bury your head in the sand. The founder of green peace left because of the way it's run now and the lies they tell. Temperatures ain't changed in 30 years and guess what the climate change people said. They said it's not proof the earth isn't warming up. How can you compete with that. . I'm afraid your just completely and utterly wrong. 2015 was the hottest year ever it surpassed 2014 which held the record from 2012 ....1998 is on the list with the ten hottest years recorded all coming in the last 15 years. . . By the way 2016 is set to break the record from 2015. February alone this year broke 7 temperature records and anomalies along with the north pole which also broke every record for low ice So it cooled down in 2013. 76 was hotter then this year. " . That's global temperatures 76 may have been hot in the UK but below average elsewhere!. | |||
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"Climate change is real. Climate change is man made. If you don't believe that, then you are a nutter who ignores scientific evidence because you prefer to believe yourself and bury your head in the sand. The founder of green peace left because of the way it's run now and the lies they tell. Temperatures ain't changed in 30 years and guess what the climate change people said. They said it's not proof the earth isn't warming up. How can you compete with that. . I'm afraid your just completely and utterly wrong. 2015 was the hottest year ever it surpassed 2014 which held the record from 2012 ....1998 is on the list with the ten hottest years recorded all coming in the last 15 years. . . By the way 2016 is set to break the record from 2015. February alone this year broke 7 temperature records and anomalies along with the north pole which also broke every record for low ice So it cooled down in 2013. 76 was hotter then this year. . That's global temperatures 76 may have been hot in the UK but below average elsewhere!. " That's right. We can't ha e a negative stat from companies funded by governments around the world who use these stats to tax people. Last year I was in a town in Greece where it rained and was cool for most of April and May got better by June and back to normal by July. It's just a normal progression of the world. When it was pointed El Niño has stayed below where it should be and could also be a problem it was hushed up. Just go out and enjoy the warmer dryer weather. Everyone will be fine. | |||
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"It was not hundreds of thousands of years from Roman Vineyards in Northumberland (requiring climate here to be about 5 degrees warmer... Well above projected change due to CO2) nor since the ice fairs on the Thames (just a few hundred years) with temperatures 5 degrees cooler than now. The biggest effect was on humans ....very poor crop yields etc. the animals seemed to do fine! The likelihood is that mans production of CO2 IS having an effect....but natural fluctuations tend to be greater and can occur over equally quick time periods." . The little ice age was extensively studied it was concluded that it was caused by substantial volcanic eruptions, volcanic eruptions have the ability to throw lots c02 out but more crucially they have the ability to throw vast amounts of dust into the stratosphere thus reducing the amount of radiation and giving a large cooling effect!. . . So your idea is, don't panic or look to reduce man made c02 but just hope for Yellowstone park to erupt and wipe out half the planet the allowing you to keep on trucking on .
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"It was not hundreds of thousands of years from Roman Vineyards in Northumberland (requiring climate here to be about 5 degrees warmer... Well above projected change due to CO2) nor since the ice fairs on the Thames (just a few hundred years) with temperatures 5 degrees cooler than now. The biggest effect was on humans ....very poor crop yields etc. the animals seemed to do fine! The likelihood is that mans production of CO2 IS having an effect....but natural fluctuations tend to be greater and can occur over equally quick time periods.. The little ice age was extensively studied it was concluded that it was caused by substantial volcanic eruptions, volcanic eruptions have the ability to throw lots c02 out but more crucially they have the ability to throw vast amounts of dust into the stratosphere thus reducing the amount of radiation and giving a large cooling effect!. . . So your idea is, don't panic or look to reduce man made c02 but just hope for Yellowstone park to erupt and wipe out half the planet the allowing you to keep on trucking on .
Great plan"or all the green worriers could throw themselves into said volcano, thereby reducing the population and maybe causing a slight eruption or at least a bit of ash covering, saving the planet and cooling us all down a bit all in one fell swoop. Now that's a plan | |||
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"It was not hundreds of thousands of years from Roman Vineyards in Northumberland (requiring climate here to be about 5 degrees warmer... Well above projected change due to CO2) nor since the ice fairs on the Thames (just a few hundred years) with temperatures 5 degrees cooler than now. The biggest effect was on humans ....very poor crop yields etc. the animals seemed to do fine! The likelihood is that mans production of CO2 IS having an effect....but natural fluctuations tend to be greater and can occur over equally quick time periods.. The little ice age was extensively studied it was concluded that it was caused by substantial volcanic eruptions, volcanic eruptions have the ability to throw lots c02 out but more crucially they have the ability to throw vast amounts of dust into the stratosphere thus reducing the amount of radiation and giving a large cooling effect!. . . So your idea is, don't panic or look to reduce man made c02 but just hope for Yellowstone park to erupt and wipe out half the planet the allowing you to keep on trucking on .
Great plan
or all the green worriers could throw themselves into said volcano, thereby reducing the population and maybe causing a slight eruption or at least a bit of ash covering, saving the planet and cooling us all down a bit all in one fell swoop. Now that's a plan ". Treemendo .... With thinking like that who he needs clever people | |||
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"I think this is just one more thread that shows the importance of education, and the worrying attitudes that the uneducated have. " I agree for once. It's never too late you know | |||
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"I think this is just one more thread that shows the importance of education, and the worrying attitudes that the uneducated have. " Oh god. | |||
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"I think this is just one more thread that shows the importance of education, and the worrying attitudes that the uneducated have. I agree for once. It's never too late you know "I know, if you do it in the UK before you move to Spain you'll probably find it a lot cheaper | |||
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" Are you convinced that climate change is real and man made, or is it a conspiracy by NASA and the UN? " We are convinced climate change is real. We are currently coming out of an ice age and the climate will get warmer for a few more hundred years before flipping back into global cooling as it has done from the dawn of time. Climate change is a natural cyclical event and not man made man has a very very tiny influence on it. Water vapour has more effect than man. The scientists will spout whatever garbage their paymasters want them to spout as long as they continue to get handouts (grants), not so long ago in the mid 1970s many of those very same scientists were claiming we were on the dawn of a new ice age. | |||
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" Are you convinced that climate change is real and man made, or is it a conspiracy by NASA and the UN? We are convinced climate change is real. We are currently coming out of an ice age and the climate will get warmer for a few more hundred years before flipping back into global cooling as it has done from the dawn of time. Climate change is a natural cyclical event and not man made man has a very very tiny influence on it. Water vapour has more effect than man. The scientists will spout whatever garbage their paymasters want them to spout as long as they continue to get handouts (grants), not so long ago in the mid 1970s many of those very same scientists were claiming we were on the dawn of a new ice age." Here here | |||
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"I think this is just one more thread that shows the importance of education, and the worrying attitudes that the uneducated have. I agree for once. It's never too late you know "The first step is admitting you are an asshole | |||
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" Are you convinced that climate change is real and man made, or is it a conspiracy by NASA and the UN? We are convinced climate change is real. We are currently coming out of an ice age and the climate will get warmer for a few more hundred years before flipping back into global cooling as it has done from the dawn of time. Climate change is a natural cyclical event and not man made man has a very very tiny influence on it. Water vapour has more effect than man. The scientists will spout whatever garbage their paymasters want them to spout as long as they continue to get handouts (grants), not so long ago in the mid 1970s many of those very same scientists were claiming we were on the dawn of a new ice age." . Here's a challenge, find me ONE scientist on the IPCC who said in the 70s that all the research there'd done including any peer reviewed data showed that earth was heading into an ice age!!. . I bet you can't find one | |||
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"1. Would you get in a plane with a pilot who had no training or experience? 2. Would you let someone operate on you/your family/your pets who had no training or experience? 3. Would you let someone who had no training or experience sell your house? 4. Would you let someone who had no training or experience service your central heating or build your extention? 5. Would you let someone who had no training or experience change the brakes on your car? 6. Would you let to someone who had no training or experience of science tell you about climate change? " I fucking would if they worked for greenpeace | |||
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" Are you convinced that climate change is real and man made, or is it a conspiracy by NASA and the UN? We are convinced climate change is real. We are currently coming out of an ice age and the climate will get warmer for a few more hundred years before flipping back into global cooling as it has done from the dawn of time. Climate change is a natural cyclical event and not man made man has a very very tiny influence on it. Water vapour has more effect than man. The scientists will spout whatever garbage their paymasters want them to spout as long as they continue to get handouts (grants), not so long ago in the mid 1970s many of those very same scientists were claiming we were on the dawn of a new ice age. Here here" Hahahahaha. And no, primary data and their resources change, statistical analysis and technology for such gets better. In short old data gets replaced by better more accurate, recent and reliable data. Think of it, if you ran a business you would keep relying on the old products, and you would keep using the same old marketing, and you would not keep looking back at market reports for two decades ago. | |||
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"If you look at the graphs, you'll see how c02 goes up from 180ppm to 290ppm and pretty much follows the temperature graph which varies about 4 degrees. Were currently at 405ppm!! And that's risen from 310 at the start of the 20th century. . . . " A change of one, one thousandth of one percent. | |||
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"I think this is just one more thread that shows the importance of education, and the worrying attitudes that the uneducated have. I agree for once. It's never too late you know
I know, if you do it in the UK before you move to Spain you'll probably find it a lot cheaper "not necessarily, a lot of my education there comes free
got back from there last night funnily enough and it was a pleasure to see so many Union Jack T shirts being worn while I was over there....
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"If you look at the graphs, you'll see how c02 goes up from 180ppm to 290ppm and pretty much follows the temperature graph which varies about 4 degrees. Were currently at 405ppm!! And that's risen from 310 at the start of the 20th century. . . . A change of one, one thousandth of one percent. " In all honesty, that is still a large volume when you consider that gaseous changes of that scale in the earth's atmosphere chemistry usually occur over millions of years. What you have to imagine is all the molecular bonds in those billions of CO2, methane and industry produced H20 molecules. All those bonds absorb heat energy and retain it, along with releasing back inside the atmosphere, then reabsorb it. Not only that but our readings of the volume of C02 and methane are being partially obscured as fresh and saltwater bodies of water absorb C02 - at a certain temperature rise water looses its ability to absorb and retain additional C02. And then as temperature rises, we risk defrosting permafrost which releases more C02 and methane, then additionally we may break the enzymic latch mechanism which keeps C02 in peatlands and wetlands, through temperature rise. | |||
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"I think this is just one more thread that shows the importance of education, and the worrying attitudes that the uneducated have. I agree for once. It's never too late you know
I know, if you do it in the UK before you move to Spain you'll probably find it a lot cheaper
not necessarily, a lot of my education there comes free
got back from there last night funnily enough and it was a pleasure to see so many Union Jack T shirts being worn while I was over there....
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"1. Would you get in a plane with a pilot who had no training or experience? 2. Would you let someone operate on you/your family/your pets who had no training or experience? 3. Would you let someone who had no training or experience sell your house? 4. Would you let someone who had no training or experience service your central heating or build your extention? 5. Would you let someone who had no training or experience change the brakes on your car? 6. Would you let to someone who had no training or experience of science tell you about climate change? I fucking would if they worked for greenpeace "Greenpeace know about as much about environmental issues as I do about rocket science. And that is pretty much nothing other than what I read in a book once
Got to love all the tree huggers though. Anything that disproves global warming is put down to freak conditions and of no relevance. Couple of hot days or a freak storm is proof the end of the world is nigh | |||
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"1. Would you get in a plane with a pilot who had no training or experience? 2. Would you let someone operate on you/your family/your pets who had no training or experience? 3. Would you let someone who had no training or experience sell your house? 4. Would you let someone who had no training or experience service your central heating or build your extention? 5. Would you let someone who had no training or experience change the brakes on your car? 6. Would you let to someone who had no training or experience of science tell you about climate change? I fucking would if they worked for greenpeace
Greenpeace know about as much about environmental issues as I do about rocket science. And that is pretty much nothing other than what I read in a book once
Got to love all the tree huggers though. Anything that disproves global warming is put down to freak conditions and of no relevance. Couple of hot days or a freak storm is proof the end of the world is nigh "It must be wonderful to know as much as you! | |||
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"1. Would you get in a plane with a pilot who had no training or experience? 2. Would you let someone operate on you/your family/your pets who had no training or experience? 3. Would you let someone who had no training or experience sell your house? 4. Would you let someone who had no training or experience service your central heating or build your extention? 5. Would you let someone who had no training or experience change the brakes on your car? 6. Would you let to someone who had no training or experience of science tell you about climate change? I fucking would if they worked for greenpeace
Greenpeace know about as much about environmental issues as I do about rocket science. And that is pretty much nothing other than what I read in a book once
Got to love all the tree huggers though. Anything that disproves global warming is put down to freak conditions and of no relevance. Couple of hot days or a freak storm is proof the end of the world is nigh "Greenpeace, firstly an organisation full of people willing to break the law for their objectives; so ironic name. Secondly, the same group that forced Shell not to dump the Brent Spar Oil Rig because they couldn't get their head around the fact that it was actually the greenest thing to do. | |||
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"1. Would you get in a plane with a pilot who had no training or experience? 2. Would you let someone operate on you/your family/your pets who had no training or experience? 3. Would you let someone who had no training or experience sell your house? 4. Would you let someone who had no training or experience service your central heating or build your extention? 5. Would you let someone who had no training or experience change the brakes on your car? 6. Would you let to someone who had no training or experience of science tell you about climate change? I fucking would if they worked for greenpeace
Greenpeace know about as much about environmental issues as I do about rocket science. And that is pretty much nothing other than what I read in a book once
Got to love all the tree huggers though. Anything that disproves global warming is put down to freak conditions and of no relevance. Couple of hot days or a freak storm is proof the end of the world is nigh
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" Greenpeace, firstly an organisation full of people willing to break the law for their objectives" So no different from the banks involved LIBOR then? | |||
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" Greenpeace, firstly an organisation full of people willing to break the law for their objectives So no different from the banks involved LIBOR then? " Yeah I'd put them on par for smug hypocrisy | |||
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"If you look at the graphs, you'll see how c02 goes up from 180ppm to 290ppm and pretty much follows the temperature graph which varies about 4 degrees. Were currently at 405ppm!! And that's risen from 310 at the start of the 20th century. . . . A change of one, one thousandth of one percent. " . You keep saying that as if it means something?. Did you not get my explanation to you that you don't have to take in large volumes for stuff to have an effect.... You don't have to take in 2% of your body weight in paracetamol to cure your headache do you!!... no just one one thousandth of your bodyweight of it works fine.... remember Carbon monoxide, it effects you just fine when you increase it from 40ppm to 400ppm. It's just chemistry! | |||
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"1. Would you get in a plane with a pilot who had no training or experience? 2. Would you let someone operate on you/your family/your pets who had no training or experience? 3. Would you let someone who had no training or experience sell your house? 4. Would you let someone who had no training or experience service your central heating or build your extention? 5. Would you let someone who had no training or experience change the brakes on your car? 6. Would you let to someone who had no training or experience of science tell you about climate change? I fucking would if they worked for greenpeace
Greenpeace know about as much about environmental issues as I do about rocket science. And that is pretty much nothing other than what I read in a book once
Got to love all the tree huggers though. Anything that disproves global warming is put down to freak conditions and of no relevance. Couple of hot days or a freak storm is proof the end of the world is nigh
Greenpeace, firstly an organisation full of people willing to break the law for their objectives; so ironic name. Secondly, the same group that forced Shell not to dump the Brent Spar Oil Rig because they couldn't get their head around the fact that it was actually the greenest thing to do. ". So? Will Greenpeace do the same with the Brent Delta legs as they done with Brent Spar? Each of the 3 Brent Delta legs Hugely outsize the Spar and at the bottom of the Brent Delta legs are storage Cells which used to store the crude, these cells now have oil based radioactive (LSA) Sludge & Mud The "topside" of the platform rests on three giant concrete legs, each 170m tall. At the base of the legs are 16 storage tanks (Cells) standing at almost 60m tall, and each with the capacity of four Olympic-size swimming pools Its an eerie creepy place working at the bottom of these legs (70 meter level) Shell are considering leaving these legs at sea as the safest option | |||
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"If you look at the graphs, you'll see how c02 goes up from 180ppm to 290ppm and pretty much follows the temperature graph which varies about 4 degrees. Were currently at 405ppm!! And that's risen from 310 at the start of the 20th century. . . . A change of one, one thousandth of one percent. . You keep saying that as if it means something?. Did you not get my explanation to you that you don't have to take in large volumes for stuff to have an effect.... You don't have to take in 2% of your body weight in paracetamol to cure your headache do you!!... no just one one thousandth of your bodyweight of it works fine.... remember Carbon monoxide, it effects you just fine when you increase it from 40ppm to 400ppm. It's just chemistry! " For someone who purports to know a great deal about global warming (sorry climate change) you should know that it is nothing whatsoever to do with chemistry. The allegation is that co2 absorbs the IR that is created by the earth absorbing UV from the sun and thereby "warming" the atmosphere. This is physics, not chemistry. The counter argument is that methane and water vapour are both much more significant greenhouse gasses and they both have variables well in excess of one, one thousandth of one percent and therefore the affects of a variation of one, one thousandth of one percent of one of the least significant greenhouse gasses cannot be certain to be the cause of the current warming period. | |||
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"So glad that everyone has ignored information from a nasa climatologist just so they can keep arguing their own little points. "No true scientist would ever say that the argument is settled. That is not what science is about. | |||
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"If you look at the graphs, you'll see how c02 goes up from 180ppm to 290ppm and pretty much follows the temperature graph which varies about 4 degrees. Were currently at 405ppm!! And that's risen from 310 at the start of the 20th century. . . . A change of one, one thousandth of one percent. . You keep saying that as if it means something?. Did you not get my explanation to you that you don't have to take in large volumes for stuff to have an effect.... You don't have to take in 2% of your body weight in paracetamol to cure your headache do you!!... no just one one thousandth of your bodyweight of it works fine.... remember Carbon monoxide, it effects you just fine when you increase it from 40ppm to 400ppm. It's just chemistry! For someone who purports to know a great deal about global warming (sorry climate change) you should know that it is nothing whatsoever to do with chemistry. The allegation is that co2 absorbs the IR that is created by the earth absorbing UV from the sun and thereby "warming" the atmosphere. This is physics, not chemistry. The counter argument is that methane and water vapour are both much more significant greenhouse gasses and they both have variables well in excess of one, one thousandth of one percent and therefore the affects of a variation of one, one thousandth of one percent of one of the least significant greenhouse gasses cannot be certain to be the cause of the current warming period." . I was actually talking about effects of carbon monoxide when i mentioned mentioned chemistry but... yes I know how c02 effects ir, the Tyndall institute in Manchester, to which I've visited and is named after the guy who discovered how c02 reacts with ir in the 1850s, we've known for a long time about greenhouse gases and how they work.. . Here's professor Kevin Anderson from the Tyndall centre and one of the world's leading experts on tackling it!. https://youtu.be/EB62aCeTn0I | |||
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No true scientist would ever say that the argument is settled. That is not what science is about."Never said that....just presented facts. But interpreting them is so much better than arguing for the sake of it. | |||
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"If you look at the graphs, you'll see how c02 goes up from 180ppm to 290ppm and pretty much follows the temperature graph which varies about 4 degrees. Were currently at 405ppm!! And that's risen from 310 at the start of the 20th century. . . . A change of one, one thousandth of one percent. . You keep saying that as if it means something?. Did you not get my explanation to you that you don't have to take in large volumes for stuff to have an effect.... You don't have to take in 2% of your body weight in paracetamol to cure your headache do you!!... no just one one thousandth of your bodyweight of it works fine.... remember Carbon monoxide, it effects you just fine when you increase it from 40ppm to 400ppm. It's just chemistry! For someone who purports to know a great deal about global warming (sorry climate change) you should know that it is nothing whatsoever to do with chemistry. The allegation is that co2 absorbs the IR that is created by the earth absorbing UV from the sun and thereby "warming" the atmosphere. This is physics, not chemistry. The counter argument is that methane and water vapour are both much more significant greenhouse gasses and they both have variables well in excess of one, one thousandth of one percent and therefore the affects of a variation of one, one thousandth of one percent of one of the least significant greenhouse gasses cannot be certain to be the cause of the current warming period." Not to nit pick but most of chemistry comes down to physics - it stops being chemistry when we start looking at the mathematical and physical mechanisms which cause and end interactions between molecules of the same or different substances. In short, yes water vapour is the most numerous molecule which has increased, and yes, methane has risen more sharply than C02 but not to the same volume, when we are talking about the actual impact we are comparing volume composition and predictions of them rising in the atmosphere. The issue with C02 is it is the molecule we can most easily reduce our output of, it's just making the easiest cost cutting choice. Also, due to shorter and stronger bonding between carbon and oxygen, out of all the molecules, it is C02 which can absorb the most IR, therefore, combined with it's volume, it is the one which can retain and re-admit the most head to the earth's surface or atmosphere. | |||
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"If you look at the graphs, you'll see how c02 goes up from 180ppm to 290ppm and pretty much follows the temperature graph which varies about 4 degrees. Were currently at 405ppm!! And that's risen from 310 at the start of the 20th century. . . . A change of one, one thousandth of one percent. . You keep saying that as if it means something?. Did you not get my explanation to you that you don't have to take in large volumes for stuff to have an effect.... You don't have to take in 2% of your body weight in paracetamol to cure your headache do you!!... no just one one thousandth of your bodyweight of it works fine.... remember Carbon monoxide, it effects you just fine when you increase it from 40ppm to 400ppm. It's just chemistry! For someone who purports to know a great deal about global warming (sorry climate change) you should know that it is nothing whatsoever to do with chemistry. The allegation is that co2 absorbs the IR that is created by the earth absorbing UV from the sun and thereby "warming" the atmosphere. This is physics, not chemistry. The counter argument is that methane and water vapour are both much more significant greenhouse gasses and they both have variables well in excess of one, one thousandth of one percent and therefore the affects of a variation of one, one thousandth of one percent of one of the least significant greenhouse gasses cannot be certain to be the cause of the current warming period. Not to nit pick but most of chemistry comes down to physics - it stops being chemistry when we start looking at the mathematical and physical mechanisms which cause and end interactions between molecules of the same or different substances. In short, yes water vapour is the most numerous molecule which has increased, and yes, methane has risen more sharply than C02 but not to the same volume, when we are talking about the actual impact we are comparing volume composition and predictions of them rising in the atmosphere. The issue with C02 is it is the molecule we can most easily reduce our output of, it's just making the easiest cost cutting choice. Also, due to shorter and stronger bonding between carbon and oxygen, out of all the molecules, it is C02 which can absorb the most IR, therefore, combined with it's volume, it is the one which can retain and re-admit the most head to the earth's surface or atmosphere. " nah, that's the Mrs. | |||
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"So glad that everyone has ignored information from a nasa climatologist just so they can keep arguing their own little points.
No true scientist would ever say that the argument is settled. That is not what science is about.". Do you remember posting the YouTube expert on brexit on here and urging people to listen to him?. You said he was one of the leading experts on the implications of leaving the EU and that we should listen to him carefully. Did you notice how I didn't reply saying.... That guys taking wank, it's one tenth of a % point, it's a great big conspiracy to steal my tax's blah blah blah... You know why, because who the fuck am I to argue with an expert who's spent friggin years studying something and is giving you unbiased facts and data!!... Well Kevin Anderson in the videos I posted, I know him a bit, I've talked to him, been to quite a few of his lectures,he's got several PhDs and could in all reality earn far far more than he does... He's what anybody would call "an expert in that field" . What you are im afraid to say is a jihadist, your an ideologue that only wants to hear what suits YOU, just like all the brexiters. | |||
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"At least take a smokers stand point, yes I understand the science and yes I know it's GOING to kill or at least make my life worse in all likelihood.... But I love/addicted to it and I just can't stop doing it!... You still get the odd smoker who sits there saying it's all bollocks, my gran lived to 90 and she smoked 20 a day but honestly everybody that hears then say it just think... What a dick!. Think on people" That's the perspective I take. Fucking the environment is partially necessary for economic growth. You either have economic growth or live like a native American in perfect harmony with the environment. However, the Melian Dialogue should explain the problems with the latter choice. Ultimately, the sun is going to burn out one day anyway so we may as well fuck the environment in order to develop the technology necessary to leave the planet and get a new one to fuck. Which is not to say we shouldn't also develop technology to minimise the impact. | |||
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"At least take a smokers stand point, yes I understand the science and yes I know it's GOING to kill or at least make my life worse in all likelihood.... But I love/addicted to it and I just can't stop doing it!... You still get the odd smoker who sits there saying it's all bollocks, my gran lived to 90 and she smoked 20 a day but honestly everybody that hears then say it just think... What a dick!. Think on people That's the perspective I take. Fucking the environment is partially necessary for economic growth. You either have economic growth or live like a native American in perfect harmony with the environment. However, the Melian Dialogue should explain the problems with the latter choice. Ultimately, the sun is going to burn out one day anyway so we may as well fuck the environment in order to develop the technology necessary to leave the planet and get a new one to fuck. Which is not to say we shouldn't also develop technology to minimise the impact." . I've probably already told you this but anyhow there was a study done by those conspiracy theorists nasa about 3 years ago that concluded the only thing saving us in the near future from massive temperature increases from c02 was sulphate aerosols produced from industrialisation, they produce about a 2 to 3 degree global dimming, so if we took our foot of the industrial pedal today, we'd see a mostly likely immediate 2 degree increase in temperature, however the study showed over 20 years that the aerosol particulars won't counteract the c02/methane problem.... Basically were fucked if we stop and fucked if we don't stop... The hope, and i mean it was a hope that somehow within 20 years we can introduce some new technology that can suck out the c02 from the atmosphere (bearing in mind were putting 10 thousand tonnes a second up there so you'd need to remove at a higher rate)... And then bury the ten thousand tonnes a second your extracting back deep underground so that it couldn't leach back into the atmosphere.... Or in other words the opposite of the last 100 years in the oil industry!. . . I will also say...The experts weren't hopeful on that front though | |||
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"At least take a smokers stand point, yes I understand the science and yes I know it's GOING to kill or at least make my life worse in all likelihood.... But I love/addicted to it and I just can't stop doing it!... You still get the odd smoker who sits there saying it's all bollocks, my gran lived to 90 and she smoked 20 a day but honestly everybody that hears then say it just think... What a dick!. Think on people That's the perspective I take. Fucking the environment is partially necessary for economic growth. You either have economic growth or live like a native American in perfect harmony with the environment. However, the Melian Dialogue should explain the problems with the latter choice. Ultimately, the sun is going to burn out one day anyway so we may as well fuck the environment in order to develop the technology necessary to leave the planet and get a new one to fuck. Which is not to say we shouldn't also develop technology to minimise the impact.. I've probably already told you this but anyhow there was a study done by those conspiracy theorists nasa about 3 years ago that concluded the only thing saving us in the near future from massive temperature increases from c02 was sulphate aerosols produced from industrialisation, they produce about a 2 to 3 degree global dimming, so if we took our foot of the industrial pedal today, we'd see a mostly likely immediate 2 degree increase in temperature, however the study showed over 20 years that the aerosol particulars won't counteract the c02/methane problem.... Basically were fucked if we stop and fucked if we don't stop... The hope, and i mean it was a hope that somehow within 20 years we can introduce some new technology that can suck out the c02 from the atmosphere (bearing in mind were putting 10 thousand tonnes a second up there so you'd need to remove at a higher rate)... And then bury the ten thousand tonnes a second your extracting back deep underground so that it couldn't leach back into the atmosphere.... Or in other words the opposite of the last 100 years in the oil industry!. . . I will also say...The experts weren't hopeful on that front though" And if I told you 20 years ago that: - you'd be able to sit on the toilet using a handheld device with no wires connecting it to anything and argue with people on a swinging forum about climate change Then you'd find that hard to believe too | |||
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"I've probably already told you this but anyhow there was a study done by those conspiracy theorists nasa about 3 years ago that concluded the only thing saving us in the near future from massive temperature increases from c02 was sulphate aerosols produced from industrialisation, they produce about a 2 to 3 degree global dimming, so if we took our foot of the industrial pedal today, we'd see a mostly likely immediate 2 degree increase in temperature, however the study showed over 20 years that the aerosol particulars won't counteract the c02/methane problem.... Basically were fucked if we stop and fucked if we don't stop... The hope, and i mean it was a hope that somehow within 20 years we can introduce some new technology that can suck out the c02 from the atmosphere (bearing in mind were putting 10 thousand tonnes a second up there so you'd need to remove at a higher rate)... And then bury the ten thousand tonnes a second your extracting back deep underground so that it couldn't leach back into the atmosphere.... Or in other words the opposite of the last 100 years in the oil industry!. . . I will also say...The experts weren't hopeful on that front though" Oil & hydrocarbon fuels will go on another 100 years with no problems, the North sea alone has at least another 50 years ahead of it as well as West of Shetland | |||
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" . . I will also say...The experts weren't hopeful on that front though And if I told you 20 years ago that: - you'd be able to sit on the toilet using a handheld device with no wires connecting it to anything and argue with people on a swinging forum about climate change Then you'd find that hard to believe too " . Oh I hold some hope, like they do, it's just not a big hope, the technology bit really isn't that difficult, it's the scale thing and time frame | |||
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" Oil & hydrocarbon fuels will go on another 100 years with no problems, the North sea alone has at least another 50 years ahead of it as well as West of Shetland ". And you base that on what? | |||
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" Oil & hydrocarbon fuels will go on another 100 years with no problems, the North sea alone has at least another 50 years ahead of it as well as West of Shetland .
And you base that on what?"working in the North sea Oil & Gas Industry for past 30 years, having been employed direct to 5 major oil corporations being involved in platform builds and tie in projects attending various exploration meetings and being kept updated by company on future finds as well as being involved in EOR for present reservoirs . | |||
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" Oil & hydrocarbon fuels will go on another 100 years with no problems, the North sea alone has at least another 50 years ahead of it as well as West of Shetland .
And you base that on what?
working in the North sea Oil & Gas Industry for past 30 years,
having been employed direct to 5 major oil corporations
being involved in platform builds and tie in projects
attending various exploration meetings and being kept updated by company on future finds
as well as being involved in EOR for present reservoirs
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" Oil & hydrocarbon fuels will go on another 100 years with no problems, the North sea alone has at least another 50 years ahead of it as well as West of Shetland .
And you base that on what?
working in the North sea Oil & Gas Industry for past 30 years,
having been employed direct to 5 major oil corporations
being involved in platform builds and tie in projects
attending various exploration meetings and being kept updated by company on future finds
as well as being involved in EOR for present reservoirs
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That has about as much relevance as somebody who drives a tanker for shell!"now that did make me laugh I guess if that is your educated opinion then it doesn't look good for your previous posts out of curiosity, what is your opinion and way ahead on EOR? | |||
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" Oil & hydrocarbon fuels will go on another 100 years with no problems, the North sea alone has at least another 50 years ahead of it as well as West of Shetland .
And you base that on what?
working in the North sea Oil & Gas Industry for past 30 years,
having been employed direct to 5 major oil corporations
being involved in platform builds and tie in projects
attending various exploration meetings and being kept updated by company on future finds
as well as being involved in EOR for present reservoirs
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That has about as much relevance as somebody who drives a tanker for shell!
now that did make me laugh
I guess if that is your educated opinion
then it doesn't look good for your previous posts
out of curiosity, what is your opinion and way ahead on EOR?". Well those multi million pound outfits just keep geologists and seismologist on good money for fuck all..... It's crazy, they should have just asked you, i mean you've been working on a platform, your easily more qualified than them!. . . Your opening statement showed a lack of knowledge... It showed no analysis of cost, amounts, viability and most importantly market forces | |||
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" Oil & hydrocarbon fuels will go on another 100 years with no problems, the North sea alone has at least another 50 years ahead of it as well as West of Shetland .
And you base that on what?
working in the North sea Oil & Gas Industry for past 30 years,
having been employed direct to 5 major oil corporations
being involved in platform builds and tie in projects
attending various exploration meetings and being kept updated by company on future finds
as well as being involved in EOR for present reservoirs
..
That has about as much relevance as somebody who drives a tanker for shell!
now that did make me laugh
I guess if that is your educated opinion
then it doesn't look good for your previous posts
out of curiosity, what is your opinion and way ahead on EOR?.
Well those multi million pound outfits just keep geologists and seismologist on good money for fuck all..... It's crazy, they should have just asked you, i mean you've been working on a platform, your easily more qualified than them!.
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Your opening statement showed a lack of knowledge... It showed no analysis of cost, amounts, viability and most importantly market forces"You have no understanding of the oil industry or indeed how it works you should get in touch with Statoil right now, tell then to hault their new North sea project with estimated 30year plus field life, tell them its just a waste of time now get back to work (if you have a job that is) | |||
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"July was the hottest month ever recorded. Does that say anything. " Yes it does , it says it was the hottest month since the last hottest month ever recorded, in between it obviously cooled down to the last hot July on record. | |||
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"July was the hottest month ever recorded. Does that say anything. Yes it does , it says it was the hottest month since the last hottest month ever recorded, in between it obviously cooled down to the last hot July on record." Wish we could re-live the summer of 76, now that was one amazing summer | |||
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" Oil & hydrocarbon fuels will go on another 100 years with no problems, the North sea alone has at least another 50 years ahead of it as well as West of Shetland .
And you base that on what?
working in the North sea Oil & Gas Industry for past 30 years,
having been employed direct to 5 major oil corporations
being involved in platform builds and tie in projects
attending various exploration meetings and being kept updated by company on future finds
as well as being involved in EOR for present reservoirs
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That has about as much relevance as somebody who drives a tanker for shell!
now that did make me laugh
I guess if that is your educated opinion
then it doesn't look good for your previous posts
out of curiosity, what is your opinion and way ahead on EOR?.
Well those multi million pound outfits just keep geologists and seismologist on good money for fuck all..... It's crazy, they should have just asked you, i mean you've been working on a platform, your easily more qualified than them!.
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Your opening statement showed a lack of knowledge... It showed no analysis of cost, amounts, viability and most importantly market forces
You have no understanding of the oil industry or indeed how it works
you should get in touch with Statoil right now, tell then to hault their new North sea project with estimated 30year plus field life, tell them its just a waste of time
now get back to work (if you have a job that is) ". So you've instantly downgraded from 100 years to 30 years,i don't need any knowledge of it, remember your the one making assertions and I'm asking you what you based them on. If working on a platform qualifies you then great but then I'm saying why do they employ experts surely they could just ask anybody who works on a platform, yes?. If you'd given me some actual analysis about why oil in Scotland will last a hundred years then fair play but your answer was.... I've worked on a platform I've worked for an oil company. . . Again no more relevance than somebody who drives a tanker for shell.... By the way, didn't you once say you drove a tanker in a thread? | |||
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"July was the hottest month ever recorded. Does that say anything. Yes it does , it says it was the hottest month since the last hottest month ever recorded, in between it obviously cooled down to the last hot July on record. Wish we could re-live the summer of 76, now that was one amazing summer ". Not much chance of that with the climate fucked up though | |||
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"July was the hottest month ever recorded. Does that say anything. Yes it does , it says it was the hottest month since the last hottest month ever recorded, in between it obviously cooled down to the last hot July on record." . If the month that cooled down a bit was hotter than the month 20 years ago though.... That would be what they call a trend....ooh look it's an upwards trend. | |||
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"July was the hottest month ever recorded. Does that say anything. Yes it does , it says it was the hottest month since the last hottest month ever recorded, in between it obviously cooled down to the last hot July on record. Wish we could re-live the summer of 76, now that was one amazing summer .
Not much chance of that with the climate fucked up though"true, we don't burn half as much coal and logs like we used to do in to 70's, we should all convert our fires & heating to open fire, get the mines back open, get the coal fired up well, I mean as well as oil & gas or I will be putting myself out of a job | |||
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"July was the hottest month ever recorded. Does that say anything. Yes it does , it says it was the hottest month since the last hottest month ever recorded, in between it obviously cooled down to the last hot July on record. Wish we could re-live the summer of 76, now that was one amazing summer .
Not much chance of that with the climate fucked up though
true, we don't burn half as much coal and logs like we used to do in to 70's, we should all convert our fires & heating to open fire, get the mines back open, get the coal fired up
well, I mean as well as oil & gas or I will be putting myself out of a job". Actually it's about half the amount, coal peaked in the 50s!. Market forces pushed coal out for oil and gas!..... There's about 500 years of coal in Newcastle... Not many folk mine it though as it can be mined cheaper elsewhere?... It kinda ruined there industry when it got mined cheaper abroad.... Oh wait that sounds like it might be relevant to your original statement | |||
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"July was the hottest month ever recorded. Does that say anything. Yes it does , it says it was the hottest month since the last hottest month ever recorded, in between it obviously cooled down to the last hot July on record. Wish we could re-live the summer of 76, now that was one amazing summer "Too right. A bit more global warming and we can have temperatures like we did 40 years ago before global warming
Hang on, would that mean global cooling in between
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"July was the hottest month ever recorded. Does that say anything. Yes it does , it says it was the hottest month since the last hottest month ever recorded, in between it obviously cooled down to the last hot July on record. Wish we could re-live the summer of 76, now that was one amazing summer .
Not much chance of that with the climate fucked up though
true, we don't burn half as much coal and logs like we used to do in to 70's, we should all convert our fires & heating to open fire, get the mines back open, get the coal fired up
well, I mean as well as oil & gas or I will be putting myself out of a job.
Actually it's about half the amount, coal peaked in the 50s!.
Market forces pushed coal out for oil and gas!..... There's about 500 years of coal in Newcastle... Not many folk mine it though as it can be mined cheaper elsewhere?... It kinda ruined there industry when it got mined cheaper abroad.... Oh wait that sounds like it might be relevant to your original statement "Not with the amount of HP/HT reservoirs we have my dear boy, and some have equivalent to Buzzard & Elgin, okay even our reserves may not compete with Saudi, but then imagine if all the Brits and Americans walked away from Aramco
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"July was the hottest month ever recorded. Does that say anything. Yes it does , it says it was the hottest month since the last hottest month ever recorded, in between it obviously cooled down to the last hot July on record. Wish we could re-live the summer of 76, now that was one amazing summer .
Not much chance of that with the climate fucked up though
true, we don't burn half as much coal and logs like we used to do in to 70's, we should all convert our fires & heating to open fire, get the mines back open, get the coal fired up
well, I mean as well as oil & gas or I will be putting myself out of a job.
Actually it's about half the amount, coal peaked in the 50s!.
Market forces pushed coal out for oil and gas!..... There's about 500 years of coal in Newcastle... Not many folk mine it though as it can be mined cheaper elsewhere?... It kinda ruined there industry when it got mined cheaper abroad.... Oh wait that sounds like it might be relevant to your original statement
Not with the amount of HP/HT reservoirs we have my dear boy, and some have equivalent to Buzzard & Elgin, okay even our reserves may not compete with Saudi, but then imagine if all the Brits and Americans walked away from Aramco
Again North Sea Oil & Gas will still be producing here after you are well gone, it will see you out my friend". Well anythings possible it's possible that I might live a thousand years, it's just not likely given data and factual analysis. What your saying is Scottish oil will last 150 years at a reasonable rate of output and what I'm saying is.... Well you'll be the only oil play in the world ever to have lasted that length of time, if you look back to the old plays like Pennsylvania, Texas, Azerbaijan, north Africa, they've all pretty much exhausted reserves, Venezuela is down to heavy oil, Canada is on tar oil, Russia has a few big plays still left but nowhere near 140 years worth, since 1960 there's only been really three big conventional oil finds, that's Alaskan north slope, north sea and us gulf coast and there running at or below 40% of original levels. Now sure we've got the big one of Arabian gulf oil and yes they have big reserves, the biggest field in Saudi and has been for about 50 years is the ghawar but even that is showing signs of depletion... Alas Aramco aren't as confident in their analysis as you are or they wouldn't be selling off great big chunks of that golden egg laying goose!. . . What I do know about is history and it's full of people who just say.... Oh there's years left, just before it's gone and very few people who actually studied it using data and then got it wrong!. . . Hubbard got alot of stick for his curve and bumpy plateau but his analysis of us conventional oil was absolutely correct to the year! | |||
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" Oil & hydrocarbon fuels will go on another 100 years with no problems, the North sea alone has at least another 50 years ahead of it as well as West of Shetland .
And you base that on what?
working in the North sea Oil & Gas Industry for past 30 years,
having been employed direct to 5 major oil corporations
being involved in platform builds and tie in projects
attending various exploration meetings and being kept updated by company on future finds
as well as being involved in EOR for present reservoirs
..
That has about as much relevance as somebody who drives a tanker for shell!
now that did make me laugh
I guess if that is your educated opinion
then it doesn't look good for your previous posts
out of curiosity, what is your opinion and way ahead on EOR?.
Well those multi million pound outfits just keep geologists and seismologist on good money for fuck all..... It's crazy, they should have just asked you, i mean you've been working on a platform, your easily more qualified than them!.
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Your opening statement showed a lack of knowledge... It showed no analysis of cost, amounts, viability and most importantly market forces
You have no understanding of the oil industry or indeed how it works
you should get in touch with Statoil right now, tell then to hault their new North sea project with estimated 30year plus field life, tell them its just a waste of time
now get back to work (if you have a job that is) .
So you've instantly downgraded from 100 years to 30 years,i don't need any knowledge of it, remember your the one making assertions and I'm asking you what you based them on.
If working on a platform qualifies you then great but then I'm saying why do they employ experts surely they could just ask anybody who works on a platform, yes?.
If you'd given me some actual analysis about why oil in Scotland will last a hundred years then fair play but your answer was.... I've worked on a platform
I've worked for an oil company.
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Again no more relevance than somebody who drives a tanker for shell.... By the way, didn't you once say you drove a tanker in a thread? "Are you insane? serious question?? and please read what I originally wrote here you go, will put it up again for you, save you from scrolling back Oil & hydrocarbon fuels will go on another 100 years with no problems, the North sea alone has at least another 50 years ahead of it as well as West of Shetland . what part of that do you not understand? and what is all this nonsense you are saying about cutting 100 years to 30 years, oil & gas world wide has more than 100 years at present reserves Statoil are putting a new build rig out to the North sea with 30+ years life span North sea and West of Shetland reserves are estimated at 50 years present time without further exploration taken into account | |||
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" Oil & hydrocarbon fuels will go on another 100 years with no problems, the North sea alone has at least another 50 years ahead of it as well as West of Shetland .
And you base that on what?
working in the North sea Oil & Gas Industry for past 30 years,
having been employed direct to 5 major oil corporations
being involved in platform builds and tie in projects
attending various exploration meetings and being kept updated by company on future finds
as well as being involved in EOR for present reservoirs
..
That has about as much relevance as somebody who drives a tanker for shell!
now that did make me laugh
I guess if that is your educated opinion
then it doesn't look good for your previous posts
out of curiosity, what is your opinion and way ahead on EOR?.
Well those multi million pound outfits just keep geologists and seismologist on good money for fuck all..... It's crazy, they should have just asked you, i mean you've been working on a platform, your easily more qualified than them!.
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Your opening statement showed a lack of knowledge... It showed no analysis of cost, amounts, viability and most importantly market forces
You have no understanding of the oil industry or indeed how it works
you should get in touch with Statoil right now, tell then to hault their new North sea project with estimated 30year plus field life, tell them its just a waste of time
now get back to work (if you have a job that is) "So what do you think of this? http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_572aa3f8e4b016f37894bd03 https://www.theguardian.com/environment/keep-it-in-the-ground-blog/2015/mar/25/what-numbers-tell-about-how-much-fossil-fuel-reserves-cant-burn Basically we know the oil is there, but we have to leave it there to meet the climate change targets we have already agreed to. | |||
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" Oil & hydrocarbon fuels will go on another 100 years with no problems, the North sea alone has at least another 50 years ahead of it as well as West of Shetland .
And you base that on what?
working in the North sea Oil & Gas Industry for past 30 years,
having been employed direct to 5 major oil corporations
being involved in platform builds and tie in projects
attending various exploration meetings and being kept updated by company on future finds
as well as being involved in EOR for present reservoirs
..
That has about as much relevance as somebody who drives a tanker for shell!
now that did make me laugh
I guess if that is your educated opinion
then it doesn't look good for your previous posts
out of curiosity, what is your opinion and way ahead on EOR?.
Well those multi million pound outfits just keep geologists and seismologist on good money for fuck all..... It's crazy, they should have just asked you, i mean you've been working on a platform, your easily more qualified than them!.
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Your opening statement showed a lack of knowledge... It showed no analysis of cost, amounts, viability and most importantly market forces
You have no understanding of the oil industry or indeed how it works
you should get in touch with Statoil right now, tell then to hault their new North sea project with estimated 30year plus field life, tell them its just a waste of time
now get back to work (if you have a job that is) .
So you've instantly downgraded from 100 years to 30 years,i don't need any knowledge of it, remember your the one making assertions and I'm asking you what you based them on.
If working on a platform qualifies you then great but then I'm saying why do they employ experts surely they could just ask anybody who works on a platform, yes?.
If you'd given me some actual analysis about why oil in Scotland will last a hundred years then fair play but your answer was.... I've worked on a platform
I've worked for an oil company.
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Again no more relevance than somebody who drives a tanker for shell.... By the way, didn't you once say you drove a tanker in a thread?
Are you insane? serious question??
and please read what I originally wrote here you go, will put it up again for you, save you from scrolling back
Oil & hydrocarbon fuels will go on another 100 years with no problems, the North sea alone has at least another 50 years ahead of it as well as West of Shetland .
what part of that do you not understand?
and what is all this nonsense you are saying about cutting 100 years to 30 years,
oil & gas world wide has more than 100 years at present reserves
Statoil are putting a new build rig out to the North sea with 30+ years life span
North sea and West of Shetland reserves are estimated at 50 years present time without further exploration taken into account". I feel insane arguing with you .
Your original statement is nonsensical and vague....100 years of oil?.
What does that actually mean?.
100 years at present consumption rates? 100 years with growth rates built in? 100 years at ten barrels a week....
In case it's escaped your notice, Scotland's just had investment cut in oil massively because it's economically unviable at 35 dollars a barrel and now your pound buys less dollars that's another 10% on top.
The first oil is the best and cheapest to extract it's also the cheapest to refine.... When you drag the dregs it gets more costly and crappier in content!.
Sure you can suck out every last drop but n no big company is, there little companies, paying less, with less benefits, when your margins are squeezed you squeeze elsewhere to make profit!
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I reckon you've got 1% chance of extracting oil in Scotland in a hundred years time, that wouldn't raise much for 50...I wouldn't even give you evens on oil extraction in any reasonable volume in 20 years time...
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" I feel insane arguing with you .
Your original statement is nonsensical and vague....100 years of oil?.
What does that actually mean?.
100 years at present consumption rates? 100 years with growth rates built in? 100 years at ten barrels a week....
In case it's escaped your notice, Scotland's just had investment cut in oil massively because it's economically unviable at 35 dollars a barrel and now your pound buys less dollars that's another 10% on top.
The first oil is the best and cheapest to extract it's also the cheapest to refine.... When you drag the dregs it gets more costly and crappier in content!.
Sure you can suck out every last drop but n no big company is, there little companies, paying less, with less benefits, when your margins are squeezed you squeeze elsewhere to make profit!
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I reckon you've got 1% chance of extracting oil in Scotland in a hundred years time, that wouldn't raise much for 50...I wouldn't even give you evens on oil extraction in any reasonable volume in 20 years time...
North sea oil peaked in 1999 with a plateau and the curve is a steep one downwards"Can I ask why you actually took time to write that full section above? because it is pure drivel, nonsense, and I really don't know why I am replying to utter nonsense. You are aware that in 1999 oil was at $12 a barrel, there was no peak in 1999, platforms were cutting flow in 1999 I remember it well, it kind of knocks the shite out of your $35 nonsense too Do you actually work? what do you do all day apart from being on this forum? | |||
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" I feel insane arguing with you .
Your original statement is nonsensical and vague....100 years of oil?.
What does that actually mean?.
100 years at present consumption rates? 100 years with growth rates built in? 100 years at ten barrels a week....
In case it's escaped your notice, Scotland's just had investment cut in oil massively because it's economically unviable at 35 dollars a barrel and now your pound buys less dollars that's another 10% on top.
The first oil is the best and cheapest to extract it's also the cheapest to refine.... When you drag the dregs it gets more costly and crappier in content!.
Sure you can suck out every last drop but n no big company is, there little companies, paying less, with less benefits, when your margins are squeezed you squeeze elsewhere to make profit!
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I reckon you've got 1% chance of extracting oil in Scotland in a hundred years time, that wouldn't raise much for 50...I wouldn't even give you evens on oil extraction in any reasonable volume in 20 years time...
North sea oil peaked in 1999 with a plateau and the curve is a steep one downwards
Can I ask why you actually took time to write that full section above? because it is pure drivel, nonsense, and I really don't know why I am replying to utter nonsense.
You are aware that in 1999 oil was at $12 a barrel, there was no peak in 1999, platforms were cutting flow in 1999 I remember it well, it kind of knocks the shite out of your $35 nonsense too
Do you actually work? what do you do all day apart from being on this forum?". 12 dollars a barrel!! So what, you could buy a half decent semi for 50k in 1999 today it would cost you 200k so basically at 48 dollars a barrel today it's kept pace with housing!. . . North sea production peaked in 1999 , that was the year they produced the most oil, that's called peaking, it's a downward trend since!. . What difference does it make what I do and how long I spend on here?... Why do you constantly try to insinuate stuff that's got nothing to do with the argument!. I've noticed you like throwing in little comments like "boy" and "get back to work" but then you cry like a baby when somebody bites and calls you a jock!. . . Anyhoo, I've got better stuff too do rather than educate you on your industry!.. Tatty bye | |||
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"Seeing as though this went from climate science to oil reserves I'll just chime in and let you all know that the North Sea isn't only held by Britain, most of the oil and the largest proportion of gas is located in Norwegian territorial waters. Not that is an issue for companies, just means we have to buy not produce." Or go to war? | |||
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"Seeing as though this went from climate science to oil reserves I'll just chime in and let you all know that the North Sea isn't only held by Britain, most of the oil and the largest proportion of gas is located in Norwegian territorial waters. Not that is an issue for companies, just means we have to buy not produce. Or go to war? " Slow down there, Brexit hasn't led to 1800's style nationalism yet. :P | |||
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"Seeing as though this went from climate science to oil reserves I'll just chime in and let you all know that the North Sea isn't only held by Britain, most of the oil and the largest proportion of gas is located in Norwegian territorial waters. Not that is an issue for companies, just means we have to buy not produce. Or go to war? Slow down there, Brexit hasn't led to 1800's style nationalism yet. :P" But to borrow a politicians phrase, we should keep all our options on the table, right? | |||
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"Seeing as though this went from climate science to oil reserves I'll just chime in and let you all know that the North Sea isn't only held by Britain, most of the oil and the largest proportion of gas is located in Norwegian territorial waters. Not that is an issue for companies, just means we have to buy not produce." Go Further North; West of Shetland | |||
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