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"Now that labour have spent shed loads of its members cash to ensure that a sizeable proportion of its membership is denied the right to participate in the process of electing the next clown to make an arse of things and be a laughing stock at pmq, is it a case of everyone is equal in labour but some are a lot more equal than others? "Yes, there's no much more to add really. | |||
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"It turns out the party of equality is all for their own elite and don't trust the common people who are members. The Labour Party don't do self destruct buttons but if they did......" If sure some spin doctors will turn up and assure the common folk that this is actually in their interests. | |||
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"It turns out the party of equality is all for their own elite and don't trust the common people who are members. The Labour Party don't do self destruct buttons but if they did...... If sure some spin doctors will turn up and assure the common folk that this is actually in their interests. " Just glad I live in Scotland where there is only one party that actually represents its people, labour & tories are dead in Scotland | |||
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"It turns out the party of equality is all for their own elite and don't trust the common people who are members. The Labour Party don't do self destruct buttons but if they did...... If sure some spin doctors will turn up and assure the common folk that this is actually in their interests. Just glad I live in Scotland where there is only one party that actually represents its people, labour & tories are dead in Scotland" The same party who based their economic plans on oil being $115 a barrell? | |||
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"I am just so sad i stay in a country where .Education ,the Police force and the NHS are all failing due to the incompetence of the SNP.....Thats not counting the employment and growth numbers all going to fuck thanks to the zealots.......Oh and the MPs up here are allowed no independant thought... a shower of shits really.... "all independent thought needs to be officially scrutinised and sanctioned , its for the greater good | |||
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"It turns out the party of equality is all for their own elite and don't trust the common people who are members. The Labour Party don't do self destruct buttons but if they did......" The vote will be by the common people who are members and affiliated union members. | |||
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"It turns out the party of equality is all for their own elite and don't trust the common people who are members. The Labour Party don't do self destruct buttons but if they did...... The vote will be by the common people who are members and affiliated union members. " Because those are the people that put Ed Milliband in power over his brother  | |||
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"It turns out the party of equality is all for their own elite and don't trust the common people who are members. The Labour Party don't do self destruct buttons but if they did...... The vote will be by the common people who are members and affiliated union members. Because those are the people that put Ed Milliband in power over his brother "So you think that there shouldn't be democratic vote? | |||
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"It turns out the party of equality is all for their own elite and don't trust the common people who are members. The Labour Party don't do self destruct buttons but if they did...... The vote will be by the common people who are members and affiliated union members. Because those are the people that put Ed Milliband in power over his brother
So you think that there shouldn't be democratic vote? "There was nothing democratic about how Ed Milliband was elected and that aside, I fail to see the point of holding a democratic vote of an unrepresentative sample | |||
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"It turns out the party of equality is all for their own elite and don't trust the common people who are members. The Labour Party don't do self destruct buttons but if they did...... The vote will be by the common people who are members and affiliated union members. Because those are the people that put Ed Milliband in power over his brother
So you think that there shouldn't be democratic vote?
There was nothing democratic about how Ed Milliband was elected and that aside, I fail to see the point of holding a democratic vote of an unrepresentative sample"I think Ed Miliband was the beginning of the "end" of the Labour party sad enough to see | |||
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"It turns out the party of equality is all for their own elite and don't trust the common people who are members. The Labour Party don't do self destruct buttons but if they did...... The vote will be by the common people who are members and affiliated union members. Because those are the people that put Ed Milliband in power over his brother
So you think that there shouldn't be democratic vote?
There was nothing democratic about how Ed Milliband was elected and that aside, I fail to see the point of holding a democratic vote of an unrepresentative sample"Why do you say that? | |||
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"It turns out the party of equality is all for their own elite and don't trust the common people who are members. The Labour Party don't do self destruct buttons but if they did...... The vote will be by the common people who are members and affiliated union members. Because those are the people that put Ed Milliband in power over his brother
So you think that there shouldn't be democratic vote?
There was nothing democratic about how Ed Milliband was elected and that aside, I fail to see the point of holding a democratic vote of an unrepresentative sample
Why do you say that? "Have you ever read 'the wisdom of crowds' by James Surowiecki? | |||
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"After reading the comments of easyE30, mixedbcouple and red hot raddish about the appeal court ruling on Friday would they like to comment on the following historical facts and tell us if they think that the ruling on Friday and the refusal to allow an appeal to the supreme court is questionable? One of the three judges who sat on in judgement on this appeal was Sir Philip Sales QC. Immediately after Labour’s victory in the 1997 general election, Sales was recruited by Tony Blair. Sales used to be a practising barrister at law chambers 11KBW, which Tony Blair and Lord Irvine QC (Blairs' Lord Chancellor) were founder members. At the time of the appointment, there was uproar over Sales' appointment and plunged Blair into a cronyism row. Since his appointment in 1997, Sir Philip Sales managed to rack up a hefty bill to the taxpayer as the highest earning lawyer in the entire government. Moreover, as a key part of Blair's legal team, he also defended the Government’s decision against holding a public inquiry into the Iraq War in the High Court in 2005. Clearly there is no evidence of wrongdoing, only that of a conflict of interest. However Sales' deep involvement in the Labour Party during the Blair years must raise questions about the legitimacy of his shock ruling in favour of the National Executive Committee, especially as there was an evident breach of contract." I was simply agreeing with the statement "everyone is equal in labour but some are a lot more equal than others". Honestly, the fact that the party needs legal cases just to elect a leader is nauseating and shows what a clusterfuck they are. I couldn't care less about the finer details since both candidates are jokes, neither is electable and what makes it worse is that labour has other electables sat on the back bench. Even the Tories, who have been in power long enough that most parties self destruct, managed to chose a leader with nothing but propoganda and back stabbing. Why can't labour do the same? | |||
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"For myself I think that despite 130,000 members being told in black and white that they were eligible to vote in upcoming leadership elections upon registration, they have been officially cast aside by their own party in an attempt to skew a result that is already a foregone conclusion. The biggest kick in the teeth, however, is that the permission to do so was granted by a former key lawyer of Tony Blair’s Labour government, and that the NEC and PLP will face a reckoning after the re-election of JC. " Far left politics will always appeal to 1) many people that are at the bottom of society 2) some people that feel a sense of guilt for not being at the bottom of society. There never has been and never will be an equal society so there will always be those attracted to far left politics. The fact that JC gets elected / re-elected simply proves what I've already said which is completely irrelevant to winning general elections, which is what political parties are there to do. The real question they should vote on is whether they want to be a protest movement or govern the country. Pretending that far left policies are going to perform better in an election than the centre-left brown and left of left Milliband losses is delusional. | |||
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"Far left politics will always appeal to 1) many people that are at the bottom of society 2) some people that feel a sense of guilt for not being at the bottom of society. There never has been and never will be an equal society so there will always be those attracted to far left politics. The fact that JC gets elected / re-elected simply proves what I've already said which is completely irrelevant to winning general elections, which is what political parties are there to do. The real question they should vote on is whether they want to be a protest movement or govern the country. Pretending that far left policies are going to perform better in an election than the centre-left brown and left of left Milliband losses is delusional." I agree with what you say about far left politics. Where we differ is in our definition of far left. I believe that you have been conditioned from birth to believe that economic policies that favour the super rich are centrist or maybe slightly right of centre politically and what are really centre ground mixed economy politics are hard left politics. It is a shame because you fail to even give any objective thought to the implications of the policies you extol and support even when they impoverish you and your family. | |||
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"Far left politics will always appeal to 1) many people that are at the bottom of society 2) some people that feel a sense of guilt for not being at the bottom of society. There never has been and never will be an equal society so there will always be those attracted to far left politics. The fact that JC gets elected / re-elected simply proves what I've already said which is completely irrelevant to winning general elections, which is what political parties are there to do. The real question they should vote on is whether they want to be a protest movement or govern the country. Pretending that far left policies are going to perform better in an election than the centre-left brown and left of left Milliband losses is delusional. I agree with what you say about far left politics. Where we differ is in our definition of far left. I believe that you have been conditioned from birth to believe that economic policies that favour the super rich are centrist or maybe slightly right of centre politically and what are really centre ground mixed economy politics are hard left politics. It is a shame because you fail to even give any objective thought to the implications of the policies you extol and support even when they impoverish you and your family." Where we really differ is in our definition of impoverish!! There are very few countries I have been to where people have a higher standard of living than here. Conversely I have been to many countries that have an inhumane standard of living for the average person, those countries are overwhelmingly the ones that previously rejected the importance of free markets and private property. | |||
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"Now that labour have spent shed loads of its members cash to ensure that a sizeable proportion of its membership is denied the right to participate in the process of electing the next clown to make an arse of things and be a laughing stock at pmq, is it a case of everyone is equal in labour but some are a lot more equal than others? "That has allways been true read animal farm | |||
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"For myself I think that despite 130,000 members being told in black and white that they were eligible to vote in upcoming leadership elections upon registration, they have been officially cast aside by their own party in an attempt to skew a result that is already a foregone conclusion. The biggest kick in the teeth, however, is that the permission to do so was granted by a former key lawyer of Tony Blair’s Labour government, and that the NEC and PLP will face a reckoning after the re-election of JC. " That is pretty much my view. If a non labour supporter is disgusted by it then it must be bad  | |||
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"When Labour stop listening to their own members and the people who vote for them, that is very simply the END of the Labour party" There are something like a few thousand right wingers who have taken over the labour party in the last 30 years and replaced socialist mps with centre right and soft right career politicians who are about to get the shock of their lives because they are about to find their torylite gravy train has come to the end of the line. | |||
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