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By *LCC OP   Couple
over a year ago

Cambridge

Why are so many of the posts on the Politics forum just personal attacks and name calling? Attacking people for where they live or calling them "sweet cheeks" or "old son".

Can't we just stick to debating the issues?

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By *horehouseCouple
over a year ago

dissatisfied


"Why are so many of the posts on the Politics forum just personal attacks and name calling? Attacking people for where they live or calling them "sweet cheeks" or "old son".

Can't we just stick to debating the issues? "

We can ..how do you see the UK"s trading relationship with the EU panning out after brexit ? .

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By *illwill69uMan
over a year ago

moston

Unfortunately the subjects we discuss evoke strong emotions and at times this leads to intransigence and a belief that when someones political views are being challenged and attacked it is an attack on them. When this happens the person who feels themselves under attack retaliates and the debate quickly spirals out of control and into a virtual punch-up.

Of course (just like the real world) we do have one or two who seem to spend their time looking for fights. And maybe one or two others willing to pull on the gloves and exchange blows...

But that is politics (tune in to PMQ's and watch them go at it!)

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By *ouple1000Couple
over a year ago

manchester


"Why are so many of the posts on the Politics forum just personal attacks and name calling? Attacking people for where they live or calling them "sweet cheeks" or "old son".

Can't we just stick to debating the issues?

We can ..how do you see the UK"s trading relationship with the EU panning out after brexit ? . "

Pmsl you are the worst offender of this. And your question in your post shows this. As I have said before you have embarrassed yourself with how you have conducted yourself during these debates and will continue to do so no doubt.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Tries to avoid personal attacks. Feel free to correct me if I do so.

I just like the banter

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By *horehouseCouple
over a year ago

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"Why are so many of the posts on the Politics forum just personal attacks and name calling? Attacking people for where they live or calling them "sweet cheeks" or "old son".

Can't we just stick to debating the issues?

We can ..how do you see the UK"s trading relationship with the EU panning out after brexit ? .

Pmsl you are the worst offender of this. And your question in your post shows this. As I have said before you have embarrassed yourself with how you have conducted yourself during these debates and will continue to do so no doubt. "

So you embarrass yourself yet again by being personal ..embarrass yourself remarking on my comment " .how do you see the UK"s trading relationship with the EU panning out after brexit ? ." where on earth is this personal .. ?????????

Cant wait for your reply !!!!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Why are so many of the posts on the Politics forum just personal attacks and name calling? Attacking people for where they live or calling them "sweet cheeks" or "old son".

Can't we just stick to debating the issues? "

And this from someone who can be one of the most personally aggressive, argumentative and sarcastic posters on here?

Someone who has started a Thread quoting one individual's expressions and thereby making the whole Thread a personal attack?

With the greatest respect 'Sweetcheeks' you get back what you dish out. When you deliberately misquote people, make attacks on people not their arguments and act in a dismissive and sarcastic way do not be too surprised if you get a strenuous response.

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By *horehouseCouple
over a year ago

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Well we made it to two posts to the original thread before it started to get personal ..doesn't take long to decend does it ????

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Why are so many of the posts on the Politics forum just personal attacks and name calling? Attacking people for where they live or calling them "sweet cheeks" or "old son".

Can't we just stick to debating the issues?

We can ..how do you see the UK"s trading relationship with the EU panning out after brexit ? . "

I see it panning out rather well actually. I see no reason to believe the UK cannot work out its new trading position in the world using its extensive 'Soft Power', financial influence and historical and cultural bonds with other Continents. There will be uncertainties in the short term and people exploiting them for financial and political gain (as we are seeing now) but underneath all that we are a very capable and solid economy, we have skills and abilities the world needs.

Sadly we have been held back for 20 years by a political project we never signed up for. We are now (or soon will be) free to do as WE please and do it how WE please. And we will enjoy a better quality of life and be a better and stronger country for it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Well we made it to two posts to the original thread before it started to get personal ..doesn't take long to decend does it ????"

You ignored the fact that the OP's post started the 'personal' thing off... They are very clever people and they know exactly what they are doing but they have been found out and they don't like it.

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By *horehouseCouple
over a year ago

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"Why are so many of the posts on the Politics forum just personal attacks and name calling? Attacking people for where they live or calling them "sweet cheeks" or "old son".

Can't we just stick to debating the issues?

We can ..how do you see the UK"s trading relationship with the EU panning out after brexit ? .

I see it panning out rather well actually. I see no reason to believe the UK cannot work out its new trading position in the world using its extensive 'Soft Power', financial influence and historical and cultural bonds with other Continents. There will be uncertainties in the short term and people exploiting them for financial and political gain (as we are seeing now) but underneath all that we are a very capable and solid economy, we have skills and abilities the world needs.

Sadly we have been held back for 20 years by a political project we never signed up for. We are now (or soon will be) free to do as WE please and do it how WE please. And we will enjoy a better quality of life and be a better and stronger country for it."

Do you seriously believe any nation on this planet has not traded with the UK because of EU membership ? Or any company has not done its best to trade with non eu countries ..nations like the US and Russia just want the EU broken to divide and rule

Deals in there favour not ours ...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Why are so many of the posts on the Politics forum just personal attacks and name calling? Attacking people for where they live or calling them "sweet cheeks" or "old son".

Can't we just stick to debating the issues?

We can ..how do you see the UK"s trading relationship with the EU panning out after brexit ? .

I see it panning out rather well actually. I see no reason to believe the UK cannot work out its new trading position in the world using its extensive 'Soft Power', financial influence and historical and cultural bonds with other Continents. There will be uncertainties in the short term and people exploiting them for financial and political gain (as we are seeing now) but underneath all that we are a very capable and solid economy, we have skills and abilities the world needs.

Sadly we have been held back for 20 years by a political project we never signed up for. We are now (or soon will be) free to do as WE please and do it how WE please. And we will enjoy a better quality of life and be a better and stronger country for it.

Do you seriously believe any nation on this planet has not traded with the UK because of EU membership ? Or any company has not done its best to trade with non eu countries ..nations like the US and Russia just want the EU broken to divide and rule

Deals in there favour not ours ... "

If it is that easy name ONE country that buys our goods and sells us theirs simply because we are in the EU? And as for us trading with non-Eu countries it is more difficult (ie we have been held back) because the EU raises huge tariffs against non-EU member states so they react likewise. Like India that then retaliates against people like the Scottish whisky industry despite being one of the world's biggest buyers of whisky?

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By *illwill69uMan
over a year ago

moston


"You ignored the fact that the OP's post started the 'personal' thing off... They are very clever people and they know exactly what they are doing but they have been found out and they don't like it."

So if you know they are very clever and fishing, why do you rise to the bait and bite? Is it rally that hard to resist the temptation and just state what we all obviously know and wait to see if they they take your counter-bait? Or if others chip in and help turn a thread aimed at getting people in a tizz into one that discusses an issue?

After all there are many ways to skin a cat without getting clawed in the process!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"You ignored the fact that the OP's post started the 'personal' thing off... They are very clever people and they know exactly what they are doing but they have been found out and they don't like it.

So if you know they are very clever and fishing, why do you rise to the bait and bite? Is it rally that hard to resist the temptation and just state what we all obviously know and wait to see if they they take your counter-bait? Or if others chip in and help turn a thread aimed at getting people in a tizz into one that discusses an issue?

After all there are many ways to skin a cat without getting clawed in the process!

"

What you say is very true and I wish I could follow your excellent advice. In a One - on -One I would walk away but when it is in public I feel I can't although I know I should.

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By *horehouseCouple
over a year ago

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"Why are so many of the posts on the Politics forum just personal attacks and name calling? Attacking people for where they live or calling them "sweet cheeks" or "old son".

Can't we just stick to debating the issues?

We can ..how do you see the UK"s trading relationship with the EU panning out after brexit ? .

I see it panning out rather well actually. I see no reason to believe the UK cannot work out its new trading position in the world using its extensive 'Soft Power', financial influence and historical and cultural bonds with other Continents. There will be uncertainties in the short term and people exploiting them for financial and political gain (as we are seeing now) but underneath all that we are a very capable and solid economy, we have skills and abilities the world needs.

Sadly we have been held back for 20 years by a political project we never signed up for. We are now (or soon will be) free to do as WE please and do it how WE please. And we will enjoy a better quality of life and be a better and stronger country for it.

Do you seriously believe any nation on this planet has not traded with the UK because of EU membership ? Or any company has not done its best to trade with non eu countries ..nations like the US and Russia just want the EU broken to divide and rule

Deals in there favour not ours ...

If it is that easy name ONE country that buys our goods and sells us theirs simply because we are in the EU? And as for us trading with non-Eu countries it is more difficult (ie we have been held back) because the EU raises huge tariffs against non-EU member states so they react likewise. Like India that then retaliates against people like the Scottish whisky industry despite being one of the world's biggest buyers of whisky?"

Lets turn that around and ask which nation has refused to trade with the UK because of EU membership...so trade tariffs with India has India refused to trade with the UK .as many small.companies have worked out over the years they trade better when they group together against bigger competition ..which is what EU is was all about in a global market ..

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By *LCC OP   Couple
over a year ago

Cambridge

It seems as though even a thread aimed at stopping personal attacks devolved very quickly into just that

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By *illwill69uMan
over a year ago

moston


"In a One - on -One I would walk away but when it is in public I feel I can't although I know I should. "

Now that is interesting, and in my view well worth exploring.

I will be the first to admit I am similar in real life to how I am here. I find debate the easiest way to learn, I find an opinion that I feel comfortable with and I argue (strongly) its merits, however I take full note of counter arguments and ask others to justify them. When those justifications are well thought out I then research whatever point has been made and adjust my view and opinion accordingly. I try hard not to lose my temper and become aggressive or insulting others, but I often fail miserably when well documented and obvious facts are ignored.

What do you find triggers your aggressive responses?

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By *tillup4funMan
over a year ago

Wakefield


"You ignored the fact that the OP's post started the 'personal' thing off... They are very clever people and they know exactly what they are doing but they have been found out and they don't like it.

So if you know they are very clever and fishing, why do you rise to the bait and bite? Is it rally that hard to resist the temptation and just state what we all obviously know and wait to see if they they take your counter-bait? Or if others chip in and help turn a thread aimed at getting people in a tizz into one that discusses an issue?

After all there are many ways to skin a cat without getting clawed in the process!

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By *horehouseCouple
over a year ago

dissatisfied


"It seems as though even a thread aimed at stopping personal attacks devolved very quickly into just that "

Doesn't take long on here does it ..yours and two reply's..lol

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Why are so many of the posts on the Politics forum just personal attacks and name calling? Attacking people for where they live or calling them "sweet cheeks" or "old son".

Can't we just stick to debating the issues?

We can ..how do you see the UK"s trading relationship with the EU panning out after brexit ? .

I see it panning out rather well actually. I see no reason to believe the UK cannot work out its new trading position in the world using its extensive 'Soft Power', financial influence and historical and cultural bonds with other Continents. There will be uncertainties in the short term and people exploiting them for financial and political gain (as we are seeing now) but underneath all that we are a very capable and solid economy, we have skills and abilities the world needs.

Sadly we have been held back for 20 years by a political project we never signed up for. We are now (or soon will be) free to do as WE please and do it how WE please. And we will enjoy a better quality of life and be a better and stronger country for it.

Do you seriously believe any nation on this planet has not traded with the UK because of EU membership ? Or any company has not done its best to trade with non eu countries ..nations like the US and Russia just want the EU broken to divide and rule

Deals in there favour not ours ...

If it is that easy name ONE country that buys our goods and sells us theirs simply because we are in the EU? And as for us trading with non-Eu countries it is more difficult (ie we have been held back) because the EU raises huge tariffs against non-EU member states so they react likewise. Like India that then retaliates against people like the Scottish whisky industry despite being one of the world's biggest buyers of whisky?

Lets turn that around and ask which nation has refused to trade with the UK because of EU membership...so trade tariffs with India has India refused to trade with the UK .as many small.companies have worked out over the years they trade better when they group together against bigger competition ..which is what EU is was all about in a global market .."

No don't lets 'turn this around' at all. You made a statement and I asked you to support that statement by naming one country. You failed to do that and then try and twist out of your original statement by 'turning it around'. It wasn't me making that statement it was you.

Now again name ONE country that trades goods with us that does so solely because we are in the EU? Go for it ...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"In a One - on -One I would walk away but when it is in public I feel I can't although I know I should.

Now that is interesting, and in my view well worth exploring.

I will be the first to admit I am similar in real life to how I am here. I find debate the easiest way to learn, I find an opinion that I feel comfortable with and I argue (strongly) its merits, however I take full note of counter arguments and ask others to justify them. When those justifications are well thought out I then research whatever point has been made and adjust my view and opinion accordingly. I try hard not to lose my temper and become aggressive or insulting others, but I often fail miserably when well documented and obvious facts are ignored.

What do you find triggers your aggressive responses?"

I wouldn't use the term 'aggressive' because that implies I initiate the events. I react in kind. Someone attacks me personally I may react likewise. Not always. Defending yourself from personal attack is a natural reaction. Maybe shame on me for reacting but what about those who engage in those tactics to cause argument rather than discussion?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"It seems as though even a thread aimed at stopping personal attacks devolved very quickly into just that "

One slight problem with your statement there. Your OP set out to BE personal and CAUSE a personal reaction. And you got it. You achieved your aims but you ended up looking rather pathetic for it ...

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By *horehouseCouple
over a year ago

dissatisfied


"Why are so many of the posts on the Politics forum just personal attacks and name calling? Attacking people for where they live or calling them "sweet cheeks" or "old son".

Can't we just stick to debating the issues?

We can ..how do you see the UK"s trading relationship with the EU panning out after brexit ? .

I see it panning out rather well actually. I see no reason to believe the UK cannot work out its new trading position in the world using its extensive 'Soft Power', financial influence and historical and cultural bonds with other Continents. There will be uncertainties in the short term and people exploiting them for financial and political gain (as we are seeing now) but underneath all that we are a very capable and solid economy, we have skills and abilities the world needs.

Sadly we have been held back for 20 years by a political project we never signed up for. We are now (or soon will be) free to do as WE please and do it how WE please. And we will enjoy a better quality of life and be a better and stronger country for it.

Do you seriously believe any nation on this planet has not traded with the UK because of EU membership ? Or any company has not done its best to trade with non eu countries ..nations like the US and Russia just want the EU broken to divide and rule

Deals in there favour not ours ...

If it is that easy name ONE country that buys our goods and sells us theirs simply because we are in the EU? And as for us trading with non-Eu countries it is more difficult (ie we have been held back) because the EU raises huge tariffs against non-EU member states so they react likewise. Like India that then retaliates against people like the Scottish whisky industry despite being one of the world's biggest buyers of whisky?

Lets turn that around and ask which nation has refused to trade with the UK because of EU membership...so trade tariffs with India has India refused to trade with the UK .as many small.companies have worked out over the years they trade better when they group together against bigger competition ..which is what EU is was all about in a global market ..

No don't lets 'turn this around' at all. You made a statement and I asked you to support that statement by naming one country. You failed to do that and then try and twist out of your original statement by 'turning it around'. It wasn't me making that statement it was you.

Now again name ONE country that trades goods with us that does so solely because we are in the EU? Go for it ..."

I believe all the nations we trade with do so because we are part of a larger organization .thats not to say it will cease when we are no longer members but our trading position will be weakened..so now name one who refuses to trade because we are members

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By *LCC OP   Couple
over a year ago

Cambridge


"It seems as though even a thread aimed at stopping personal attacks devolved very quickly into just that

One slight problem with your statement there. Your OP set out to BE personal and CAUSE a personal reaction. And you got it. You achieved your aims but you ended up looking rather pathetic for it ... "

It didn't set out to be personal, I don't understand why you are personally attacking me and calling me pathetic on a thread asking to stop the personal attacks. If the attacks can't even be resisted on this thread, then there isn't really much hope for the rest of the threads in the Politics forum.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"In a One - on -One I would walk away but when it is in public I feel I can't although I know I should.

Now that is interesting, and in my view well worth exploring.

I will be the first to admit I am similar in real life to how I am here. I find debate the easiest way to learn, I find an opinion that I feel comfortable with and I argue (strongly) its merits, however I take full note of counter arguments and ask others to justify them. When those justifications are well thought out I then research whatever point has been made and adjust my view and opinion accordingly. I try hard not to lose my temper and become aggressive or insulting others, but I often fail miserably when well documented and obvious facts are ignored.

What do you find triggers your aggressive responses?"

I too come on here to test my opinions. Nothing kills accurate analysis quicker than ideology so I enjoy the counter arguements to see if I have missed something or is my vision getting tainted by some ideological bias.

However, what really rubs me up the wrong way is smugness and to be honest, lefties just do it more on the whole.

There are a couple of users that I don't reply to at all because I think they have an IQ that a dog wouldn't envy, but fortunately they haven't strayed into the political forum so much since it got taken out of the lounge.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Why are so many of the posts on the Politics forum just personal attacks and name calling? Attacking people for where they live or calling them "sweet cheeks" or "old son".

Can't we just stick to debating the issues? "

possibly due to the fact that some on here have absolutely no sense of humour and cannot identify tongue in cheek piss take from reality,

(lets import great white sharks into the North sea) someone actually takes this as serious

The politics forum gets very personal with certain individuals who take life far to serious and it is actually comical to read.

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over a year ago

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over a year ago


"It seems as though even a thread aimed at stopping personal attacks devolved very quickly into just that

One slight problem with your statement there. Your OP set out to BE personal and CAUSE a personal reaction. And you got it. You achieved your aims but you ended up looking rather pathetic for it ...

It didn't set out to be personal, I don't understand why you are personally attacking me and calling me pathetic on a thread asking to stop the personal attacks. If the attacks can't even be resisted on this thread, then there isn't really much hope for the rest of the threads in the Politics forum. "

Cobblers. You dangled a hook in your original post and got a bite. You knew exactly what you were doing, and pathetic is indeed an apt descriptor.

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By *illwill69uMan
over a year ago

moston


"I wouldn't use the term 'aggressive' because that implies I initiate the events. I react in kind. Someone attacks me personally I may react likewise. Not always. Defending yourself from personal attack is a natural reaction. Maybe shame on me for reacting but what about those who engage in those tactics to cause argument rather than discussion? "
Firstly I said aggressive response, this is not the same as being aggressive. I wonder if part of your problem is that you (like many) when first reading something see what you want rather than what is read? I do this at times when involved in a heated debate, however I have developed a method that deals with this very successfully. I always read posts at least twice (the second time concentrating on punctuation) and if first and second readings do not agree I read a third time sentence by sentence.

Beside this I know that when someone attempts to divert attention from my point by personal attacks or disparaging remarks I have made a point that they do not have an answer to, and I find the best method of dealing with them is to calmly repeat the point and ask them to deal with the issue.

Although the person who is attacking me may not understand what is happening and think they are 'owning me' I am sure that most here fully understand and my attacker is the one who looses credibility.

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By *ezebelWoman
over a year ago

North of The Wall - youll need your vest

Top tip folks...please drop the constant digs and bickering in every thread. Its a sure fire way of making sure that you wont be able to post at all

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