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"so wages have fallen 10% in the UK to bring us on a par with greece and portugal, while others have risen by 23% greedy average right wingers ..... basically complete cunts .... strike again" What wages are these then? Not the median wage! | |||
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"median right wingers .... basically complete cunts" Yeah I miss the days of the soviet union when we were all comrades and life was great | |||
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"median right wingers .... basically complete cunts Yeah I miss the days of the soviet union when we were all comrades and life was great " how would you know? you were about fucking 3 when the soviet union split pmsl | |||
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"100% of right wingers .... basically complete cunts" You love poverty and moaning get real | |||
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"Equality brings poverty for 90%of the population proven in communist states ie Soviet Union,North Korea,Cuba,why do all lefties want to live in poverty. " Actually you are totally wrong. Firstly, the states you name were not communist. They were state capitalist command economies. Further, there was not equality, and they probably had (have in the case of N Korea) the most unequal societies in the modern era. Secondly, states where the gaps between the highest earners, average earners and those on benefits are lowest have the lowest crime rates, the highest average education standards, the highest average living standards and the happiest citizens, leading to the most stable governments and economies. Funny thing is successive governments here have enacted legislation that increases economic inequality while attempting to copy the Scandinavians service delivery model (most equal countries in the world) and unsurprisingly failed. And after 35 years of this toxic 'greed is good, small government' right wing policy we have a country where our infrastructure is falling apart, we have record numbers of homeless, mass hidden unemployment, record numbers locked up in prisons and inequality between the highest earners and those on average income at similar rates to those in Victorian times. Yet still many, despite the evidence to the contrary, (who were not alive in the 60's and 70's, the time they claim was so bad) keep saying that life is better today, than a time when although a new car was a luxury item homelessness and beggars on the streets were virtually unknown, councils nearly always had spare social housing available for any who found themselves in need and a private home could be bought for the relative price of an average family car today (about a years average wage). It seems to me that many people need to stop quoting the propaganda that has been pumped out by the right wing press and media for the last 35 years, open their eyes and see what surrounds them on a daily basis, do a little research of their own and come to their own conclusions. | |||
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"median right wingers .... basically complete cunts Yeah I miss the days of the soviet union when we were all comrades and life was great " Ahhhh life was so good back then. I used to love standing in the queue to buy a turnip. Four hours just flew by talking to your mates and before you knew it you had a turnip that you only had to share with your family. Ahh the good old days Comrade! | |||
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"Equality brings poverty for 90%of the population proven in communist states ie Soviet Union,North Korea,Cuba,why do all lefties want to live in poverty. Actually you are totally wrong. Firstly, the states you name were not communist. They were state capitalist command economies. Further, there was not equality, and they probably had (have in the case of N Korea) the most unequal societies in the modern era. Secondly, states where the gaps between the highest earners, average earners and those on benefits are lowest have the lowest crime rates, the highest average education standards, the highest average living standards and the happiest citizens, leading to the most stable governments and economies. Funny thing is successive governments here have enacted legislation that increases economic inequality while attempting to copy the Scandinavians service delivery model (most equal countries in the world) and unsurprisingly failed. And after 35 years of this toxic 'greed is good, small government' right wing policy we have a country where our infrastructure is falling apart, we have record numbers of homeless, mass hidden unemployment, record numbers locked up in prisons and inequality between the highest earners and those on average income at similar rates to those in Victorian times. Yet still many, despite the evidence to the contrary, (who were not alive in the 60's and 70's, the time they claim was so bad) keep saying that life is better today, than a time when although a new car was a luxury item homelessness and beggars on the streets were virtually unknown, councils nearly always had spare social housing available for any who found themselves in need and a private home could be bought for the relative price of an average family car today (about a years average wage). It seems to me that many people need to stop quoting the propaganda that has been pumped out by the right wing press and media for the last 35 years, open their eyes and see what surrounds them on a daily basis, do a little research of their own and come to their own conclusions." Absolute drivel. Maybe we just don't believe the pseudo science pumped out in "spirit level". | |||
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"median right wingers .... basically complete cunts Yeah I miss the days of the soviet union when we were all comrades and life was great how would you know? you were about fucking 3 when the soviet union split pmsl" 5 but I remember it well and I've read animal farm | |||
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"Absolute drivel. Maybe we just don't believe the pseudo science pumped out in "spirit level". " Would you like to elaborate? Maybe start by editing what you quote to just what I said and dealing with it point by point thus justifying your assertion? | |||
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"Equality brings poverty for 90%of the population proven in communist states ie Soviet Union,North Korea,Cuba,why do all lefties want to live in poverty. Actually you are totally wrong. Firstly, the states you name were not communist. They were state capitalist command economies. Further, there was not equality, and they probably had (have in the case of N Korea) the most unequal societies in the modern era. " So here we have the standard leftie response to the empirical fact that far left policies at best bankrupt the country and at worse starve them to death. "Hey buddy, that wasn't communism guy, that was Stalinism, or Marxism or some other 'ism' friend. They are all distinctions without differences. " Secondly, states where the gaps between the highest earners, average earners and those on benefits are lowest have the lowest crime rates, the highest average education standards, the highest average living standards and the happiest citizens, leading to the most stable governments and economies. Funny thing is successive governments here have enacted legislation that increases economic inequality while attempting to copy the Scandinavians service delivery model (most equal countries in the world) and unsurprisingly failed. " This is step 2 of the standard leftie arguement. Having failed to identify any communist countries that didn't kill large chunks of their population, deliberately or through stupidity. They then try to take credit for capitalist countries that are, what geert hofstede would call "highly feminine". Most of these claims come from bullshit like 'the spirit level' which makes a whole bunch of mathematical errors to try and prove it's ideology. Including, but not limited to; - combining different distributions - making linear extrapolations of non-linear trends - not accounting for population size - generally fudging the sample until you get the answer you want " and after 35 years of this toxic 'greed is good, small government' right wing policy we have a country where our infrastructure is falling apart, we have record numbers of homeless, mass hidden unemployment, record numbers locked up in prisons and inequality between the highest earners and those on average income at similar rates to those in Victorian times. Yet still many, despite the evidence to the contrary, (who were not alive in the 60's and 70's, the time they claim was so bad) keep saying that life is better today, than a time when although a new car was a luxury item homelessness and beggars on the streets were virtually unknown, councils nearly always had spare social housing available for any who found themselves in need and a private home could be bought for the relative price of an average family car today (about a years average wage)." Finally we have a mixture of fantasy and slogans. Unemployment is record low, not high - ask the treasury. Our infrastructure is shit, I agree with that. But ultimately 'greed' is just a silly term. A lot like 'fairness' its deliberately ambiguous so that it can be used to suit any arguement, particularly one that the facts don't support. The best, most scientific, research that has ever been published on national cultures is by a guy called geert hofstede. Culture moves at a glacial pace and British culture has not changed one bit for a long time before anyone tries to blame it on Thatcher. Anyway, British culture scores 89/100 for inidivistic (vrs collectivist) and 69/100 for indulgence (vrs restraint). Which is a polite way of saying that British people are selfish, greedy cunts, always have been, always will be. So to propose that we should have a system that relies on self restraint, within a culture that is the opposite, is niave to the point of being reckless. We need laws and regulators to control and punish things like short term asset stripping, not wishy washy statements of good intentions. | |||
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"Absolute drivel. Maybe we just don't believe the pseudo science pumped out in "spirit level". Would you like to elaborate? Maybe start by editing what you quote to just what I said and dealing with it point by point thus justifying your assertion?" Your wish... | |||
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"Equality brings poverty for 90%of the population proven in communist states ie Soviet Union,North Korea,Cuba,why do all lefties want to live in poverty. As for all the moaners in this country,well they are not starving,they have homes,warmth,food etc. Be carefull what you wish for your better off the 95%of the world population" Been to Cuba many times and talked with the locals in towns lime moroon all is not what it seems from the outside .their health and education systems are pretty good and brilliant compared to the UK and euroupe .. | |||
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"Equality brings poverty for 90%of the population proven in communist states ie Soviet Union,North Korea,Cuba,why do all lefties want to live in poverty. As for all the moaners in this country,well they are not starving,they have homes,warmth,food etc. Be carefull what you wish for your better off the 95%of the world population Been to Cuba many times and talked with the locals in towns lime moroon all is not what it seems from the outside .their health and education systems are pretty good and brilliant compared to the UK and euroupe .." Seriously? I've been there and it's the most depressing place I've ever been. It's laughable to suggest that education flourishes in a country that barely allows access to the Internet. The average Cuban knows absolutely fuck all about the rest of the world. Healthcare is good for regional standards but nothing on European standards. It's staffed by doctors whose sole motivation is to get posted to Venezuela so they can defect. The obvious problem with Cuba is that if it's such a great country then why does a third of its population live in Miami and why do they have to have such draconian systems to stop the other two thirds escaping there? | |||
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"Equality brings poverty for 90%of the population proven in communist states ie Soviet Union,North Korea,Cuba,why do all lefties want to live in poverty." Firstly I did not say the above. I did say the below: "Actually you are totally wrong. Firstly, the states you name were not communist. They were state capitalist command economies. Further, there was not equality, and they probably had (have in the case of N Korea) the most unequal societies in the modern era." To which you answered: "So here we have the standard leftie response to the empirical fact that far left policies at best bankrupt the country and at worse starve them to death. "Hey buddy, that wasn't communism guy, that was Stalinism, or Marxism or some other 'ism' friend. They are all distinctions without differences." I then said: " Secondly, states where the gaps between the highest earners, average earners and those on benefits are lowest have the lowest crime rates, the highest average education standards, the highest average living standards and the happiest citizens, leading to the most stable governments and economies. Funny thing is successive governments here have enacted legislation that increases economic inequality while attempting to copy the Scandinavians service delivery model (most equal countries in the world) and unsurprisingly failed." And your reply: "This is step 2 of the standard leftie arguement. Having failed to identify any communist countries that didn't kill large chunks of their population, deliberately or through stupidity. They then try to take credit for capitalist countries that are, what geert hofstede would call "highly feminine". Most of these claims come from bullshit like 'the spirit level' which makes a whole bunch of mathematical errors to try and prove it's ideology. Including, but not limited to; - combining different distributions - making linear extrapolations of non-linear trends - not accounting for population size - generally fudging the sample until you get the answer you want" finally I said: " and after 35 years of this toxic 'greed is good, small government' right wing policy we have a country where our infrastructure is falling apart, we have record numbers of homeless, mass hidden unemployment, record numbers locked up in prisons and inequality between the highest earners and those on average income at similar rates to those in Victorian times. Yet still many, despite the evidence to the contrary, (who were not alive in the 60's and 70's, the time they claim was so bad) keep saying that life is better today, than a time when although a new car was a luxury item homelessness and beggars on the streets were virtually unknown, councils nearly always had spare social housing available for any who found themselves in need and a private home could be bought for the relative price of an average family car today (about a years average wage)." And you replied: "Finally we have a mixture of fantasy and slogans. Unemployment is record low, not high - ask the treasury. Our infrastructure is shit, I agree with that. But ultimately 'greed' is just a silly term. A lot like 'fairness' its deliberately ambiguous so that it can be used to suit any arguement, particularly one that the facts don't support. The best, most scientific, research that has ever been published on national cultures is by a guy called geert hofstede. Culture moves at a glacial pace and British culture has not changed one bit for a long time before anyone tries to blame it on Thatcher. Anyway, British culture scores 89/100 for inidivistic (vrs collectivist) and 69/100 for indulgence (vrs restraint). Which is a polite way of saying that British people are selfish, greedy cunts, always have been, always will be. So to propose that we should have a system that relies on self restraint, within a culture that is the opposite, is niave to the point of being reckless. We need laws and regulators to control and punish things like short term asset stripping, not wishy washy statements of good intentions. " Firstly I note you do not deny my description of the states originally mentioned, although I will admit to an omission on my part. I should have said single party (dictatorship) state capitalist command economy. Nor do you deny my assertion that they were and are probably the most unequal economies in the modern era. So effectively your first answer is to ignore what I said label me as some sort of economic illiterate spouting the lefts party line, when in fact you are the one perpetuating a falsehood by spouting a right wing party line rather than addressing what I said. We move on from there to my second statement and your reply is to effectively repeat your prior fatuous reply adding to even more body to the economic falsehood you have already propagated. Finally in answer to my last point you continue with the theme seen in your first and second answer. Of course it is easy to claim high employment when the definition of full time employment has been abolished, 1.7 million are on zero hours contracts and some employers now define full time employment as working over 30 hours a week. As for your comments about the development of society, I would say recent history proves you wrong. Between 1914 and 1960 society changed out of recognition. (I accept that much of this in the later years was because the establishment needed the cooperation of the population to destroy the threat to their dominance that was apparent in the growth of the Soviet Empire by outproducing them.) However there can be no denying that Thatcher started to reverse the redistributing power and wealth from the elite to ordinary population and now our government openly transfers wealth from the majority to those in positions of privilege and power. Power follows wealth! When reading many of your posts I am reminded of a truism stated by Hitler that I think apply the Tories and how their economic theories effect the majority: Make the lie big, make it simple, keep saying it, and eventually they will believe it. My question is are you deliberately disseminating right wing propaganda? Or are you one of the deceived? | |||
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"Equality brings poverty for 90%of the population proven in communist states ie Soviet Union,North Korea,Cuba,why do all lefties want to live in poverty. Firstly I did not say the above. I did say the below: Actually you are totally wrong. Firstly, the states you name were not communist. They were state capitalist command economies. Further, there was not equality, and they probably had (have in the case of N Korea) the most unequal societies in the modern era. To which you answered: So here we have the standard leftie response to the empirical fact that far left policies at best bankrupt the country and at worse starve them to death. "Hey buddy, that wasn't communism guy, that was Stalinism, or Marxism or some other 'ism' friend. They are all distinctions without differences. I then said: Secondly, states where the gaps between the highest earners, average earners and those on benefits are lowest have the lowest crime rates, the highest average education standards, the highest average living standards and the happiest citizens, leading to the most stable governments and economies. Funny thing is successive governments here have enacted legislation that increases economic inequality while attempting to copy the Scandinavians service delivery model (most equal countries in the world) and unsurprisingly failed. And your reply: This is step 2 of the standard leftie arguement. Having failed to identify any communist countries that didn't kill large chunks of their population, deliberately or through stupidity. They then try to take credit for capitalist countries that are, what geert hofstede would call "highly feminine". Most of these claims come from bullshit like 'the spirit level' which makes a whole bunch of mathematical errors to try and prove it's ideology. Including, but not limited to; - combining different distributions - making linear extrapolations of non-linear trends - not accounting for population size - generally fudging the sample until you get the answer you want finally I said: and after 35 years of this toxic 'greed is good, small government' right wing policy we have a country where our infrastructure is falling apart, we have record numbers of homeless, mass hidden unemployment, record numbers locked up in prisons and inequality between the highest earners and those on average income at similar rates to those in Victorian times. Yet still many, despite the evidence to the contrary, (who were not alive in the 60's and 70's, the time they claim was so bad) keep saying that life is better today, than a time when although a new car was a luxury item homelessness and beggars on the streets were virtually unknown, councils nearly always had spare social housing available for any who found themselves in need and a private home could be bought for the relative price of an average family car today (about a years average wage). And you replied: Finally we have a mixture of fantasy and slogans. Unemployment is record low, not high - ask the treasury. Our infrastructure is shit, I agree with that. But ultimately 'greed' is just a silly term. A lot like 'fairness' its deliberately ambiguous so that it can be used to suit any arguement, particularly one that the facts don't support. The best, most scientific, research that has ever been published on national cultures is by a guy called geert hofstede. Culture moves at a glacial pace and British culture has not changed one bit for a long time before anyone tries to blame it on Thatcher. Anyway, British culture scores 89/100 for inidivistic (vrs collectivist) and 69/100 for indulgence (vrs restraint). Which is a polite way of saying that British people are selfish, greedy cunts, always have been, always will be. So to propose that we should have a system that relies on self restraint, within a culture that is the opposite, is niave to the point of being reckless. We need laws and regulators to control and punish things like short term asset stripping, not wishy washy statements of good intentions. Firstly I note you do not deny my description of the states originally mentioned, although I will admit to an omission on my part. I should have said single party (dictatorship) state capitalist command economy. Nor do you deny my assertion that they were and are probably the most unequal economies in the modern era. So effectively your first answer is to ignore what I said label me as some sort of economic illiterate spouting the lefts party line, when in fact you are the one perpetuating a falsehood by spouting a right wing party line rather than addressing what I said. We move on from there to my second statement and your reply is to effectively repeat your prior fatuous reply adding to even more body to the economic falsehood you have already propagated. Finally in answer to my last point you continue with the theme seen in your first and second answer. Of course it is easy to claim high employment when the definition of full time employment has been abolished, 1.7 million are on zero hours contracts and some employers now define full time employment as working over 30 hours a week. As for your comments about the development of society, I would say recent history proves you wrong. Between 1914 and 1960 society changed out of recognition. (I accept that much of this in the later years was because the establishment needed the cooperation of the population to destroy the threat to their dominance that was apparent in the growth of the Soviet Empire by outproducing them.) However there can be no denying that Thatcher started to reverse the redistributing power and wealth from the elite to ordinary population and now our government openly transfers wealth from the majority to those in positions of privilege and power. Power follows wealth! When reading many of your posts I am reminded of a truism stated by Hitler that I think apply the Tories and how their economic theories effect the majority: Make the lie big, make it simple, keep saying it, and eventually they will believe it. My question is are you deliberately disseminating right wing propaganda? Or are you one of the deceived?" You clearly haven't read geert hofstede because your commentary on it is pure nonsense. The scientific validity of the work has been recreated in over 30 independent studies. Perhaps you should read scientific literature and then form an opinion rather than pick an ideology and ignore evidence that contradicts it. There are also scientific studies that prove adherence to an ideology (left or right) is the single biggest inhibitor to make accurate political forecasts but I guess they'd be lost on you. It's a shame because you're actually a very intelligent guy but you subscribe to an ideology that forces you to say stupid things. | |||
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"again .... evidence based not scientific fact ..... top line academics are queuing up to point out the fundamental flaws in hofstedes work" Not top line, their criticisms are irrelevant and as I say, 30+ studies recreating his results. There's always a lot more people that can criticise than come up with answers. They aren't even in his league. | |||
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"if you read prof mcsweeny, prof gerhart, prof fang ..... just for starters " As I say, b-team academics that don't have any better answers often write papers trying to make a name for themselves by criticising someone better. What is it you find compelling about the arguements of these three that wasn't rebuked in the second edition of the book? | |||
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" As I say, b-team academics that don't have any better answers often write papers trying to make a name for themselves by criticising someone better. " you are entitled to your opinion ..... your fundamental flaw though is that you think everyone else is entitled to your opinion aswell  | |||
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"Isn't one of the reasons that everybody wants goods and services as cheaply as possible so buys on price but expects to be paid at the other end of the scale. Things in Primark are made in China and retail here adds no value so can't generate serious GDP. " Those Primark goods arrive in a UK port and from their to the final retail customer there is a huge Service Sector handling the importation, offloading the ship, loading trucks, managing warehouse logistics and stocking Primark shops which support landlords, local councils and general taxation, backroom and sales staff and local supplier people. You just wrote of the biggest part of our economy... the Service Sector. | |||
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" As I say, b-team academics that don't have any better answers often write papers trying to make a name for themselves by criticising someone better. you are entitled to your opinion ..... your fundamental flaw though is that you think everyone else is entitled to your opinion aswell "You can say that evolution and creationism are both theories, but if you think they are equally valid... | |||
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"you could say that, but... creationism hasn't got dendrochronology, carbon dating, spectroscopy, dna spectrophotometery and basic biological sciences etc. etc. as proof .... nor has sociology (just because a word has ology at the end of it doesn't mean it's a science .... even if russell group tells you it does)" Yeah but it has the bible which pisses on all of those  | |||
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"Equality brings poverty for 90%of the population proven in communist states ie Soviet Union,North Korea,Cuba,why do all lefties want to live in poverty. As for all the moaners in this country,well they are not starving,they have homes,warmth,food etc. Be carefull what you wish for your better off the 95%of the world population Been to Cuba many times and talked with the locals in towns lime moroon all is not what it seems from the outside .their health and education systems are pretty good and brilliant compared to the UK and euroupe .." I've been to Moron in Cuba... and actually had the pleasure of one of their hospitals. I went their in a taxi, not taken in an ambulance. It was a state hospital. Let me tell you this, it is by far the worst hospital I've ever been in. It was unhygienic, dirty, dark and damp. There were no chairs for people waiting, so they were sitting or laying on the floor. The service was poor, you just went in a line and waited until it was your turn. And waited, and waited, and waited. I cannot describe how bad it was. When I got out of the hospital, I went into Moron... not the tourist area. Again, not good. They are, however, just starting to get to grips with being able to run their own businesses. A lot of people have cut their windows out from the fronts of their houses, and sell stuff from their front rooms... like bits of pizza and fruit. They have nationally run supply stores where you cannot buy anything if you are a tourist, and you are rationed on some commodities. People are queuing to get in. I too have spoken to the locals, and the ones that actually open up, (people are scared to talk), tell a very different story to what you are saying. | |||
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"Isn't one of the reasons that everybody wants goods and services as cheaply as possible so buys on price but expects to be paid at the other end of the scale. Things in Primark are made in China and retail here adds no value so can't generate serious GDP. Those Primark goods arrive in a UK port and from their to the final retail customer there is a huge Service Sector handling the importation, offloading the ship, loading trucks, managing warehouse logistics and stocking Primark shops which support landlords, local councils and general taxation, backroom and sales staff and local supplier people. You just wrote of the biggest part of our economy... the Service Sector." That's part of my point we manufacture very little, so a lot of those jobs don't exist in this country. | |||
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"Equality brings poverty for 90%of the population proven in communist states ie Soviet Union,North Korea,Cuba,why do all lefties want to live in poverty. As for all the moaners in this country,well they are not starving,they have homes,warmth,food etc. Be carefull what you wish for your better off the 95%of the world population Been to Cuba many times and talked with the locals in towns lime moroon all is not what it seems from the outside .their health and education systems are pretty good and brilliant compared to the UK and euroupe .. I've been to Moron in Cuba... and actually had the pleasure of one of their hospitals. I went their in a taxi, not taken in an ambulance. It was a state hospital. Let me tell you this, it is by far the worst hospital I've ever been in. It was unhygienic, dirty, dark and damp. There were no chairs for people waiting, so they were sitting or laying on the floor. The service was poor, you just went in a line and waited until it was your turn. And waited, and waited, and waited. I cannot describe how bad it was. When I got out of the hospital, I went into Moron... not the tourist area. Again, not good. They are, however, just starting to get to grips with being able to run their own businesses. A lot of people have cut their windows out from the fronts of their houses, and sell stuff from their front rooms... like bits of pizza and fruit. They have nationally run supply stores where you cannot buy anything if you are a tourist, and you are rationed on some commodities. People are queuing to get in. I too have spoken to the locals, and the ones that actually open up, (people are scared to talk), tell a very different story to what you are saying. " Waiting in line, reminds me of the good old Soviet days... used to wait in line for a loaf of bread and half an ounce of sugar. You'd get all the village gossip at the same time and kill two birds with one stone. | |||
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"so wages have fallen 10% in the UK to bring us on a par with greece and portugal, while others have risen by 23% greedy average right wingers ..... basically complete cunts .... strike again" wages have fallen!!! I must be in the wrong job, mine increase each year as does final salary pension & benefits | |||
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"so wages have fallen 10% in the UK to bring us on a par with greece and portugal, while others have risen by 23% greedy average right wingers ..... basically complete cunts .... strike again wages have fallen!!! I must be in the wrong job, mine increase each year as does final salary pension & benefits" Once again we agree. I was reading that on average wages in the UK have gone or will go up by 2.3% which is nearly 4 times the July Inflation rate of 0.6% | |||
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"so wages have fallen 10% in the UK to bring us on a par with greece and portugal, while others have risen by 23% greedy average right wingers ..... basically complete cunts .... strike again wages have fallen!!! I must be in the wrong job, mine increase each year as does final salary pension & benefits Once again we agree. I was reading that on average wages in the UK have gone or will go up by 2.3% which is nearly 4 times the July Inflation rate of 0.6%" To be honest you had to be pretty deluded to think average UK wages are on par with Greece and Portugal in the first place | |||
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"Equality brings poverty for 90%of the population proven in communist states ie Soviet Union,North Korea,Cuba,why do all lefties want to live in poverty. Actually you are totally wrong. Firstly, the states you name were not communist. They were state capitalist command economies. Further, there was not equality, and they probably had (have in the case of N Korea) the most unequal societies in the modern era. Secondly, states where the gaps between the highest earners, average earners and those on benefits are lowest have the lowest crime rates, the highest average education standards, the highest average living standards and the happiest citizens, leading to the most stable governments and economies. Funny thing is successive governments here have enacted legislation that increases economic inequality while attempting to copy the Scandinavians service delivery model (most equal countries in the world) and unsurprisingly failed. And after 35 years of this toxic 'greed is good, small government' right wing policy we have a country where our infrastructure is falling apart, we have record numbers of homeless, mass hidden unemployment, record numbers locked up in prisons and inequality between the highest earners and those on average income at similar rates to those in Victorian times. Yet still many, despite the evidence to the contrary, (who were not alive in the 60's and 70's, the time they claim was so bad) keep saying that life is better today, than a time when although a new car was a luxury item homelessness and beggars on the streets were virtually unknown, councils nearly always had spare social housing available for any who found themselves in need and a private home could be bought for the relative price of an average family car today (about a years average wage). It seems to me that many people need to stop quoting the propaganda that has been pumped out by the right wing press and media for the last 35 years, open their eyes and see what surrounds them on a daily basis, do a little research of their own and come to their own conclusions." Whata load of bullshit | |||
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"100% of right wingers .... basically complete cunts" You called...? Do I hear the whine of a lefty under achiever? Do you need a hand finding a seat on an empty train? | |||
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"100% of right wingers .... basically complete cunts You called...? Do I hear the whine of a lefty under achiever? Do you need a hand finding a seat on an empty train?" I can't find a seat on my own, I need the government to do it for me | |||
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"so wages have fallen 10% in the UK to bring us on a par with greece and portugal, while others have risen by 23% greedy average right wingers ..... basically complete cunts .... strike again wages have fallen!!! I must be in the wrong job, mine increase each year as does final salary pension & benefits Once again we agree. I was reading that on average wages in the UK have gone or will go up by 2.3% which is nearly 4 times the July Inflation rate of 0.6%" I've had 4 pay increases in 2 years. The last one post Brexit  | |||
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"median right wingers .... basically complete cunts Yeah I miss the days of the soviet union when we were all comrades and life was great how would you know? you were about fucking 3 when the soviet union split pmsl" Maybe it made that much of an impression | |||
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"so wages have fallen 10% in the UK to bring us on a par with greece and portugal, while others have risen by 23% greedy average right wingers ..... basically complete cunts .... strike again" What's the source? Also statistics can be twisted into what the report wants. For years they say drop in house prices but in fact it was a drop in the rate of house price growth that fell. Seemed to turn into a left vs right thread again. Noone asked for the facts and went straight to ideology. Someone asked if it was the median or average? Was unemployment included? Did they measure it in euros? | |||
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"median right wingers .... basically complete cunts Yeah I miss the days of the soviet union when we were all comrades and life was great how would you know? you were about fucking 3 when the soviet union split pmsl 5 but I remember it well and I've read animal farm " That book gave me nightmares. I know it was a novelisation about lefties. But my take on it is that it's human nature. It doesn't matter the ideology. The same results will always happen. | |||
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"median right wingers .... basically complete cunts Yeah I miss the days of the soviet union when we were all comrades and life was great how would you know? you were about fucking 3 when the soviet union split pmsl 5 but I remember it well and I've read animal farm That book gave me nightmares. I know it was a novelisation about lefties. But my take on it is that it's human nature. It doesn't matter the ideology. The same results will always happen. " . That's a very interesting point. The Soviet union fixed cost prices and in reality the west is now fixing money prices, the two things lead to exactly the same results.... The wealthy get wealthier and the poor get poorer. . The real question is how do we get off our current path of financialisation and get back to true productivity gained wealth???? | |||
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"so wages have fallen 10% in the UK to bring us on a par with greece and portugal, while others have risen by 23% greedy average right wingers ..... basically complete cunts .... strike again What's the source? Also statistics can be twisted into what the report wants. For years they say drop in house prices but in fact it was a drop in the rate of house price growth that fell. Seemed to turn into a left vs right thread again. Noone asked for the facts and went straight to ideology. Someone asked if it was the median or average? Was unemployment included? Did they measure it in euros? " Sometimes you get used to certain behaviour from certain posters. Good luck getting answers to your questions. FYI: the source was the bottom of their ass | |||
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"Equality brings poverty for 90%of the population proven in communist states ie Soviet Union,North Korea,Cuba,why do all lefties want to live in poverty. Actually you are totally wrong. Firstly, the states you name were not communist. They were state capitalist command economies. Further, there was not equality, and they probably had (have in the case of N Korea) the most unequal societies in the modern era. Secondly, states where the gaps between the highest earners, average earners and those on benefits are lowest have the lowest crime rates, the highest average education standards, the highest average living standards and the happiest citizens, leading to the most stable governments and economies. Funny thing is successive governments here have enacted legislation that increases economic inequality while attempting to copy the Scandinavians service delivery model (most equal countries in the world) and unsurprisingly failed. And after 35 years of this toxic 'greed is good, small government' right wing policy we have a country where our infrastructure is falling apart, we have record numbers of homeless, mass hidden unemployment, record numbers locked up in prisons and inequality between the highest earners and those on average income at similar rates to those in Victorian times. Yet still many, despite the evidence to the contrary, (who were not alive in the 60's and 70's, the time they claim was so bad) keep saying that life is better today, than a time when although a new car was a luxury item homelessness and beggars on the streets were virtually unknown, councils nearly always had spare social housing available for any who found themselves in need and a private home could be bought for the relative price of an average family car today (about a years average wage). It seems to me that many people need to stop quoting the propaganda that has been pumped out by the right wing press and media for the last 35 years, open their eyes and see what surrounds them on a daily basis, do a little research of their own and come to their own conclusions." Funny how the first thing you say is that the previous poster was wrong, but having had your say you ask people to come to their own conclusion . Cccp was the soviet state initials communist was in the name. You're using a technical definition to have an argument. The issue is greed. You're unhappy about the situation but also because you too are greedy for what others have to get ' your fair share. ' We're in a process of change it's not even but it's a steady improvement. Once we have a handle on population growth there's more likliehood of managing poverty and homelessness. Unfortunately we live in a capitalist world partly because evolution makes us competitive and risk takers | |||
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"so wages have fallen 10% in the UK to bring us on a par with greece and portugal, while others have risen by 23% greedy average right wingers ..... basically complete cunts .... strike again What's the source? Also statistics can be twisted into what the report wants. For years they say drop in house prices but in fact it was a drop in the rate of house price growth that fell. Seemed to turn into a left vs right thread again. Noone asked for the facts and went straight to ideology. Someone asked if it was the median or average? Was unemployment included? Did they measure it in euros? Sometimes you get used to certain behaviour from certain posters. Good luck getting answers to your questions. FYI: the source was the bottom of their ass" Ass typing is quite an Olympic sport. | |||
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" Unfortunately we live in a capitalist world partly because evolution makes us competitive and risk takers " Why do you say unfortunately? Is there some other type of society past or present where you think an average person had a better standard of living? | |||
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" Unfortunately we live in a capitalist world partly because evolution makes us competitive and risk takers Why do you say unfortunately? Is there some other type of society past or present where you think an average person had a better standard of living?" Not at all. I think we are evolving technically more quickly than we are socially. The large society cooperation now required by society does not sit well with our tribal heritage and not well with our desire to have 'stuff'. I think we are in transition to a more socially aware society. Change is hard and not often simple. I was referring to a hoped for future socialist society. No not a political party but a socialist society from its hearts | |||
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" Unfortunately we live in a capitalist world partly because evolution makes us competitive and risk takers Why do you say unfortunately? Is there some other type of society past or present where you think an average person had a better standard of living? Not at all. I think we are evolving technically more quickly than we are socially. The large society cooperation now required by society does not sit well with our tribal heritage and not well with our desire to have 'stuff'. " Completely agree. This is why socialism never has a snowflake-in-hell chance of working. " I think we are in transition to a more socially aware society. Change is hard and not often simple. I was referring to a hoped for future socialist society. No not a political party but a socialist society from its hearts " Our brains evolved a certain way. It'll be millions of years before we can change the way our brains are. Is it possible to override our instincts, but our instincts will be here for the foreseeable future. I don't think we're remotely close to conquering our instincts, most people don't even understand the implications of the difference between conscious and subconscious thought. | |||
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"so wages have fallen 10% in the UK to bring us on a par with greece and portugal, while others have risen by 23% greedy average right wingers ..... basically complete cunts .... strike again" What do you mean exactly by wages have fallen 10%? | |||
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"Equality brings poverty for 90%of the population proven in communist states ie Soviet Union,North Korea,Cuba,why do all lefties want to live in poverty. Actually you are totally wrong. Firstly, the states you name were not communist. They were state capitalist command economies. Further, there was not equality, and they probably had (have in the case of N Korea) the most unequal societies in the modern era. Secondly, states where the gaps between the highest earners, average earners and those on benefits are lowest have the lowest crime rates, the highest average education standards, the highest average living standards and the happiest citizens, leading to the most stable governments and economies. Funny thing is successive governments here have enacted legislation that increases economic inequality while attempting to copy the Scandinavians service delivery model (most equal countries in the world) and unsurprisingly failed. And after 35 years of this toxic 'greed is good, small government' right wing policy we have a country where our infrastructure is falling apart, we have record numbers of homeless, mass hidden unemployment, record numbers locked up in prisons and inequality between the highest earners and those on average income at similar rates to those in Victorian times. Yet still many, despite the evidence to the contrary, (who were not alive in the 60's and 70's, the time they claim was so bad) keep saying that life is better today, than a time when although a new car was a luxury item homelessness and beggars on the streets were virtually unknown, councils nearly always had spare social housing available for any who found themselves in need and a private home could be bought for the relative price of an average family car today (about a years average wage). It seems to me that many people need to stop quoting the propaganda that has been pumped out by the right wing press and media for the last 35 years, open their eyes and see what surrounds them on a daily basis, do a little research of their own and come to their own conclusions." I prefer to make my judgement on what I see around me. Look at the number of new cars sold , coffee shops being opened , advances in farming , people going on foreign holidays and those eating in restaurants. Standards of living have inproved vastly in the last thirty five years . | |||
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"Equality brings poverty for 90%of the population proven in communist states ie Soviet Union,North Korea,Cuba,why do all lefties want to live in poverty. Actually you are totally wrong. Firstly, the states you name were not communist. They were state capitalist command economies. Further, there was not equality, and they probably had (have in the case of N Korea) the most unequal societies in the modern era. Secondly, states where the gaps between the highest earners, average earners and those on benefits are lowest have the lowest crime rates, the highest average education standards, the highest average living standards and the happiest citizens, leading to the most stable governments and economies. Funny thing is successive governments here have enacted legislation that increases economic inequality while attempting to copy the Scandinavians service delivery model (most equal countries in the world) and unsurprisingly failed. And after 35 years of this toxic 'greed is good, small government' right wing policy we have a country where our infrastructure is falling apart, we have record numbers of homeless, mass hidden unemployment, record numbers locked up in prisons and inequality between the highest earners and those on average income at similar rates to those in Victorian times. Yet still many, despite the evidence to the contrary, (who were not alive in the 60's and 70's, the time they claim was so bad) keep saying that life is better today, than a time when although a new car was a luxury item homelessness and beggars on the streets were virtually unknown, councils nearly always had spare social housing available for any who found themselves in need and a private home could be bought for the relative price of an average family car today (about a years average wage). It seems to me that many people need to stop quoting the propaganda that has been pumped out by the right wing press and media for the last 35 years, open their eyes and see what surrounds them on a daily basis, do a little research of their own and come to their own conclusions. I prefer to make my judgement on what I see around me. Look at the number of new cars sold , coffee shops being opened , advances in farming , people going on foreign holidays and those eating in restaurants. Standards of living have inproved vastly in the last thirty five years . " Yeah but Pat, you should see life in socialist Cuba. Everyone there is so rich they all have classic cars from the 1950's. The whole place is like a classic car museum. | |||
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