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"With the tories moving ever further to the right and labour currently under the control of the loony left is it opening the door for a lib Dem resurgence? " Yes. I agree with you. Tim Fallon is coming across very well. I think they did OK in coalition and were overly punished because of something they really could not do much about. | |||
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"With the tories moving ever further to the right and labour currently under the control of the loony left is it opening the door for a lib Dem resurgence? Yes. I agree with you. Tim Fallon is coming across very well. I think they did OK in coalition and were overly punished because of something they really could not do much about." Have to say I agree the LibDems deserved to be treated better by the electorate for their work in Government. But I suspect the EU 'thing' was in people's minds and the Libdems total commitment to the EU didn't chime with the changing politics. Clegg was roundly defeated by Farage and UKIP were taking many Libdem 'protest' voters allowing the Tories to take most of their seats. | |||
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"With the tories moving ever further to the right and labour currently under the control of the loony left is it opening the door for a lib Dem resurgence? " I am afraid that they committed party suicide with their coalition and U-turn on tuition fees. There is no coming back from that for many years. Supporting Remain is not going to get them much support, either, since the majority of Remainers accept the nation's vote. | |||
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"Except that Mrs May has parked her tanks on the Centre of British Politics and actually taking some 'Left' ideas about social cohesion, mobility and equality. Not sure its accurate to assume because the new Prime Minister is following the instructions of the British people over Brexit it has all shifted to the right." I heard the speech as well just she followed that by appointing a cabinet totally from the right of the party and even kept hunt in health | |||
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"Except that Mrs May has parked her tanks on the Centre of British Politics and actually taking some 'Left' ideas about social cohesion, mobility and equality. Not sure its accurate to assume because the new Prime Minister is following the instructions of the British people over Brexit it has all shifted to the right." Things that she has mentioned about shop floor level employees having seats on boards of companies and binding votes on executive pay are the kind of policies you would expect from a Labour government rather than the Conservatives. | |||
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"With the tories moving ever further to the right and labour currently under the control of the loony left is it opening the door for a lib Dem resurgence? " Not in Scotland, they have been shown the door, although I do believe we have one | |||
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"With the tories moving ever further to the right and labour currently under the control of the loony left is it opening the door for a lib Dem resurgence? I am afraid that they committed party suicide with their coalition and U-turn on tuition fees. There is no coming back from that for many years. Supporting Remain is not going to get them much support, either, since the majority of Remainers accept the nation's vote." I think they are in transition. They've lost the beardy wierdy's to the greens and they are in the process of picking up former new labour voters as they dessert Corbyn's neo-communist party | |||
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"Not wishing to go off'Thread but I think Labour are about to go where the LibDems are... not sure who will benefit..." Huh? Left are going left, left and more left (where the Lib Dems were when they were a protest vote) | |||
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"Not wishing to go off'Thread but I think Labour are about to go where the LibDems are... not sure who will benefit... Huh? Left are going left, left and more left (where the Lib Dems were when they were a protest vote)" For Labour and the LibDems the problem is the UK is not a Left Wing Socialist country any more as was proved by two General Elections. And what do Labour do? They lurch further Left and make themselves even less electable. Which is a tragedy ... | |||
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"Not wishing to go off'Thread but I think Labour are about to go where the LibDems are... not sure who will benefit... Huh? Left are going left, left and more left (where the Lib Dems were when they were a protest vote) For Labour and the LibDems the problem is the UK is not a Left Wing Socialist country any more as was proved by two General Elections. And what do Labour do? They lurch further Left and make themselves even less electable. Which is a tragedy ..." Lib Dems are going to make a come back by being a pro Europe party. Good chance of 15 million votes ..happy days for the lib Dems | |||
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"Not wishing to go off'Thread but I think Labour are about to go where the LibDems are... not sure who will benefit... Huh? Left are going left, left and more left (where the Lib Dems were when they were a protest vote) For Labour and the LibDems the problem is the UK is not a Left Wing Socialist country any more as was proved by two General Elections. And what do Labour do? They lurch further Left and make themselves even less electable. Which is a tragedy ..." By definition, the majority of a population is centre ground! Whilst accepting that the centre ground of one country might be more left or right than other. The centre of the UK is still a lot left of the USA. | |||
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"Not wishing to go off'Thread but I think Labour are about to go where the LibDems are... not sure who will benefit... Huh? Left are going left, left and more left (where the Lib Dems were when they were a protest vote) For Labour and the LibDems the problem is the UK is not a Left Wing Socialist country any more as was proved by two General Elections. And what do Labour do? They lurch further Left and make themselves even less electable. Which is a tragedy ... Lib Dems are going to make a come back by being a pro Europe party. Good chance of 15 million votes ..happy days for the lib Dems " Wont do them any good as we will have issued Article 50 well before the next election and, fingers crossed, be gone from the EU  | |||
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"Not wishing to go off'Thread but I think Labour are about to go where the LibDems are... not sure who will benefit... Huh? Left are going left, left and more left (where the Lib Dems were when they were a protest vote) For Labour and the LibDems the problem is the UK is not a Left Wing Socialist country any more as was proved by two General Elections. And what do Labour do? They lurch further Left and make themselves even less electable. Which is a tragedy ... Lib Dems are going to make a come back by being a pro Europe party. Good chance of 15 million votes ..happy days for the lib Dems Wont do them any good as we will have issued Article 50 well before the next election and, fingers crossed, be gone from the EU "Any country can rejoin leaving isn't for life necessarily.. | |||
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"Not wishing to go off'Thread but I think Labour are about to go where the LibDems are... not sure who will benefit... Huh? Left are going left, left and more left (where the Lib Dems were when they were a protest vote) For Labour and the LibDems the problem is the UK is not a Left Wing Socialist country any more as was proved by two General Elections. And what do Labour do? They lurch further Left and make themselves even less electable. Which is a tragedy ... By definition, the majority of a population is centre ground! Whilst accepting that the centre ground of one country might be more left or right than other. The centre of the UK is still a lot left of the USA. " while I agree the USA is well to the Right of the UK I think you can apply definitions of what is 'Centre' to most countries. The USA is clearly either 'Right Wing' or 'Extreme Right Wing' of anywhere ... | |||
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"Not wishing to go off'Thread but I think Labour are about to go where the LibDems are... not sure who will benefit... Huh? Left are going left, left and more left (where the Lib Dems were when they were a protest vote) For Labour and the LibDems the problem is the UK is not a Left Wing Socialist country any more as was proved by two General Elections. And what do Labour do? They lurch further Left and make themselves even less electable. Which is a tragedy ... By definition, the majority of a population is centre ground! Whilst accepting that the centre ground of one country might be more left or right than other. The centre of the UK is still a lot left of the USA. while I agree the USA is well to the Right of the UK I think you can apply definitions of what is 'Centre' to most countries. The USA is clearly either 'Right Wing' or 'Extreme Right Wing' of anywhere ... " It's hard to know what left and right means these days. They are more free market orientated, but it's not a very conservative country. Most countries are nationalistic these days! | |||
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"Not wishing to go off'Thread but I think Labour are about to go where the LibDems are... not sure who will benefit... Huh? Left are going left, left and more left (where the Lib Dems were when they were a protest vote) For Labour and the LibDems the problem is the UK is not a Left Wing Socialist country any more as was proved by two General Elections. And what do Labour do? They lurch further Left and make themselves even less electable. Which is a tragedy ... Lib Dems are going to make a come back by being a pro Europe party. Good chance of 15 million votes ..happy days for the lib Dems Wont do them any good as we will have issued Article 50 well before the next election and, fingers crossed, be gone from the EU "We'll see! | |||
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"Not wishing to go off'Thread but I think Labour are about to go where the LibDems are... not sure who will benefit... Huh? Left are going left, left and more left (where the Lib Dems were when they were a protest vote) For Labour and the LibDems the problem is the UK is not a Left Wing Socialist country any more as was proved by two General Elections. And what do Labour do? They lurch further Left and make themselves even less electable. Which is a tragedy ... Lib Dems are going to make a come back by being a pro Europe party. Good chance of 15 million votes ..happy days for the lib Dems Wont do them any good as we will have issued Article 50 well before the next election and, fingers crossed, be gone from the EU
Any country can rejoin leaving isn't for life necessarily.."That is true but, and it's a very big BUT. New applicants have to set a timetable for joining the Euro. Try flogging that to the British public. | |||
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"Not wishing to go off'Thread but I think Labour are about to go where the LibDems are... not sure who will benefit... Huh? Left are going left, left and more left (where the Lib Dems were when they were a protest vote) For Labour and the LibDems the problem is the UK is not a Left Wing Socialist country any more as was proved by two General Elections. And what do Labour do? They lurch further Left and make themselves even less electable. Which is a tragedy ... Lib Dems are going to make a come back by being a pro Europe party. Good chance of 15 million votes ..happy days for the lib Dems Wont do them any good as we will have issued Article 50 well before the next election and, fingers crossed, be gone from the EU
Any country can rejoin leaving isn't for life necessarily.."If the UK goes it will be gone for good. The once in a generation vote maybe true for staying in but not leaving. Leaving is still a big if, as far as I can see. The PM is no fool and she won't sleep walk the country into a catastrophe and have that on her record book. she may be able to pull it off and hopefully she can but no-one would walk the country into a recession that can be avoided without a mandate to do so. | |||
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"Not wishing to go off'Thread but I think Labour are about to go where the LibDems are... not sure who will benefit... Huh? Left are going left, left and more left (where the Lib Dems were when they were a protest vote) For Labour and the LibDems the problem is the UK is not a Left Wing Socialist country any more as was proved by two General Elections. And what do Labour do? They lurch further Left and make themselves even less electable. Which is a tragedy ... Lib Dems are going to make a come back by being a pro Europe party. Good chance of 15 million votes ..happy days for the lib Dems Wont do them any good as we will have issued Article 50 well before the next election and, fingers crossed, be gone from the EU
Any country can rejoin leaving isn't for life necessarily..
If the UK goes it will be gone for good. The once in a generation vote maybe true for staying in but not leaving. Leaving is still a big if, as far as I can see. The PM is no fool and she won't sleep walk the country into a catastrophe and have that on her record book.
she may be able to pull it off and hopefully she can but no-one would walk the country into a recession that can be avoided without a mandate to do so. "She has a mandate to leave. It was called a referendum. We are leaving the EU and good riddance to it. | |||
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"Not wishing to go off'Thread but I think Labour are about to go where the LibDems are... not sure who will benefit... Huh? Left are going left, left and more left (where the Lib Dems were when they were a protest vote) For Labour and the LibDems the problem is the UK is not a Left Wing Socialist country any more as was proved by two General Elections. And what do Labour do? They lurch further Left and make themselves even less electable. Which is a tragedy ... Lib Dems are going to make a come back by being a pro Europe party. Good chance of 15 million votes ..happy days for the lib Dems Wont do them any good as we will have issued Article 50 well before the next election and, fingers crossed, be gone from the EU
Any country can rejoin leaving isn't for life necessarily..
That is true but, and it's a very big BUT.
New applicants have to set a timetable for joining the Euro.
Try flogging that to the British public."... as the Polish Government are now realising .... | |||
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"Except that Mrs May has parked her tanks on the Centre of British Politics and actually taking some 'Left' ideas about social cohesion, mobility and equality. Not sure its accurate to assume because the new Prime Minister is following the instructions of the British people over Brexit it has all shifted to the right." This guy has thorough appreciation of the situation in UK politics at the mo. He really should be on the Andrew Marr show | |||
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"Not wishing to go off'Thread but I think Labour are about to go where the LibDems are... not sure who will benefit... Huh? Left are going left, left and more left (where the Lib Dems were when they were a protest vote) For Labour and the LibDems the problem is the UK is not a Left Wing Socialist country any more as was proved by two General Elections. And what do Labour do? They lurch further Left and make themselves even less electable. Which is a tragedy ... Lib Dems are going to make a come back by being a pro Europe party. Good chance of 15 million votes ..happy days for the lib Dems Wont do them any good as we will have issued Article 50 well before the next election and, fingers crossed, be gone from the EU
Any country can rejoin leaving isn't for life necessarily..
If the UK goes it will be gone for good. The once in a generation vote maybe true for staying in but not leaving. Leaving is still a big if, as far as I can see. The PM is no fool and she won't sleep walk the country into a catastrophe and have that on her record book.
she may be able to pull it off and hopefully she can but no-one would walk the country into a recession that can be avoided without a mandate to do so.
She has a mandate to leave. It was called a referendum.
We are leaving the EU and good riddance to it."I can't wait for the day we a free South Africa wanted independance why shouldn't we want it and thrive on it | |||
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"Fibdems. No point no ideas no mps no leader" yes but plenty apologies Im sorry, Im sorry, Im sorry, Im sorry Im sorry, Im sorry, Im sorry, Im sorry Im sorry, Im sorry, Im sorry, Im sorry Im sorry, Im sorry, Im sorry, Im sorry | |||
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"Not wishing to go off'Thread but I think Labour are about to go where the LibDems are... not sure who will benefit... Huh? Left are going left, left and more left (where the Lib Dems were when they were a protest vote) For Labour and the LibDems the problem is the UK is not a Left Wing Socialist country any more as was proved by two General Elections. And what do Labour do? They lurch further Left and make themselves even less electable. Which is a tragedy ... Lib Dems are going to make a come back by being a pro Europe party. Good chance of 15 million votes ..happy days for the lib Dems Wont do them any good as we will have issued Article 50 well before the next election and, fingers crossed, be gone from the EU
Any country can rejoin leaving isn't for life necessarily..
If the UK goes it will be gone for good. The once in a generation vote maybe true for staying in but not leaving. Leaving is still a big if, as far as I can see. The PM is no fool and she won't sleep walk the country into a catastrophe and have that on her record book.
she may be able to pull it off and hopefully she can but no-one would walk the country into a recession that can be avoided without a mandate to do so.
She has a mandate to leave. It was called a referendum.
We are leaving the EU and good riddance to it.
I can't wait for the day we a free
South Africa wanted independance why shouldn't we want it and thrive on it"Do you really believe that we are not an independent nation? That is so scary. | |||
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"Not wishing to go off'Thread but I think Labour are about to go where the LibDems are... not sure who will benefit... Huh? Left are going left, left and more left (where the Lib Dems were when they were a protest vote) For Labour and the LibDems the problem is the UK is not a Left Wing Socialist country any more as was proved by two General Elections. And what do Labour do? They lurch further Left and make themselves even less electable. Which is a tragedy ... Lib Dems are going to make a come back by being a pro Europe party. Good chance of 15 million votes ..happy days for the lib Dems Wont do them any good as we will have issued Article 50 well before the next election and, fingers crossed, be gone from the EU
Any country can rejoin leaving isn't for life necessarily..
If the UK goes it will be gone for good. The once in a generation vote maybe true for staying in but not leaving. Leaving is still a big if, as far as I can see. The PM is no fool and she won't sleep walk the country into a catastrophe and have that on her record book.
she may be able to pull it off and hopefully she can but no-one would walk the country into a recession that can be avoided without a mandate to do so.
She has a mandate to leave. It was called a referendum.
We are leaving the EU and good riddance to it.
I can't wait for the day we a free
South Africa wanted independance why shouldn't we want it and thrive on it"You realise there are a good number of nations out there that celebrate becoming independent and free from us - and many of those have a very bitter resentment from when we dug our heels in and actively made life hell there. | |||
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"Not wishing to go off'Thread but I think Labour are about to go where the LibDems are... not sure who will benefit... Huh? Left are going left, left and more left (where the Lib Dems were when they were a protest vote) For Labour and the LibDems the problem is the UK is not a Left Wing Socialist country any more as was proved by two General Elections. And what do Labour do? They lurch further Left and make themselves even less electable. Which is a tragedy ... Lib Dems are going to make a come back by being a pro Europe party. Good chance of 15 million votes ..happy days for the lib Dems Wont do them any good as we will have issued Article 50 well before the next election and, fingers crossed, be gone from the EU
Any country can rejoin leaving isn't for life necessarily..
If the UK goes it will be gone for good. The once in a generation vote maybe true for staying in but not leaving. Leaving is still a big if, as far as I can see. The PM is no fool and she won't sleep walk the country into a catastrophe and have that on her record book.
she may be able to pull it off and hopefully she can but no-one would walk the country into a recession that can be avoided without a mandate to do so.
She has a mandate to leave. It was called a referendum.
We are leaving the EU and good riddance to it.
I can't wait for the day we a free
South Africa wanted independance why shouldn't we want it and thrive on it
You realise there are a good number of nations out there that celebrate becoming independent and free from us - and many of those have a very bitter resentment from when we dug our heels in and actively made life hell there. "Such as? | |||
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"Not wishing to go off'Thread but I think Labour are about to go where the LibDems are... not sure who will benefit... Huh? Left are going left, left and more left (where the Lib Dems were when they were a protest vote) For Labour and the LibDems the problem is the UK is not a Left Wing Socialist country any more as was proved by two General Elections. And what do Labour do? They lurch further Left and make themselves even less electable. Which is a tragedy ... Lib Dems are going to make a come back by being a pro Europe party. Good chance of 15 million votes ..happy days for the lib Dems Wont do them any good as we will have issued Article 50 well before the next election and, fingers crossed, be gone from the EU
Any country can rejoin leaving isn't for life necessarily..
If the UK goes it will be gone for good. The once in a generation vote maybe true for staying in but not leaving. Leaving is still a big if, as far as I can see. The PM is no fool and she won't sleep walk the country into a catastrophe and have that on her record book.
she may be able to pull it off and hopefully she can but no-one would walk the country into a recession that can be avoided without a mandate to do so. "Agreed. If May lasts long as PM, and if she has any common sense - once Brexit negotiations are complete and we are in a position to actually leave, she should put the terms of leaving to a public vote. You know, a vote to say "If we leave here are the terms - we accept free movement of labour in exchange for access to the single market...ect." Then people can vote on whatever deal has been done with the EU and member states. | |||
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"Not wishing to go off'Thread but I think Labour are about to go where the LibDems are... not sure who will benefit... Huh? Left are going left, left and more left (where the Lib Dems were when they were a protest vote) For Labour and the LibDems the problem is the UK is not a Left Wing Socialist country any more as was proved by two General Elections. And what do Labour do? They lurch further Left and make themselves even less electable. Which is a tragedy ... Lib Dems are going to make a come back by being a pro Europe party. Good chance of 15 million votes ..happy days for the lib Dems Wont do them any good as we will have issued Article 50 well before the next election and, fingers crossed, be gone from the EU
Any country can rejoin leaving isn't for life necessarily..
If the UK goes it will be gone for good. The once in a generation vote maybe true for staying in but not leaving. Leaving is still a big if, as far as I can see. The PM is no fool and she won't sleep walk the country into a catastrophe and have that on her record book.
she may be able to pull it off and hopefully she can but no-one would walk the country into a recession that can be avoided without a mandate to do so.
Agreed. If May lasts long as PM, and if she has any common sense - once Brexit negotiations are complete and we are in a position to actually leave, she should put the terms of leaving to a public vote.
You know, a vote to say "If we leave here are the terms - we accept free movement of labour in exchange for access to the single market...ect." Then people can vote on whatever deal has been done with the EU and member states."It's because of idiotic comments like that I decided not to bother responding any more | |||
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"Not wishing to go off'Thread but I think Labour are about to go where the LibDems are... not sure who will benefit... Huh? Left are going left, left and more left (where the Lib Dems were when they were a protest vote) For Labour and the LibDems the problem is the UK is not a Left Wing Socialist country any more as was proved by two General Elections. And what do Labour do? They lurch further Left and make themselves even less electable. Which is a tragedy ... Lib Dems are going to make a come back by being a pro Europe party. Good chance of 15 million votes ..happy days for the lib Dems Wont do them any good as we will have issued Article 50 well before the next election and, fingers crossed, be gone from the EU
Any country can rejoin leaving isn't for life necessarily..
If the UK goes it will be gone for good. The once in a generation vote maybe true for staying in but not leaving. Leaving is still a big if, as far as I can see. The PM is no fool and she won't sleep walk the country into a catastrophe and have that on her record book.
she may be able to pull it off and hopefully she can but no-one would walk the country into a recession that can be avoided without a mandate to do so.
Agreed. If May lasts long as PM, and if she has any common sense - once Brexit negotiations are complete and we are in a position to actually leave, she should put the terms of leaving to a public vote.
You know, a vote to say "If we leave here are the terms - we accept free movement of labour in exchange for access to the single market...ect." Then people can vote on whatever deal has been done with the EU and member states."like your thinking   | |||
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