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"Labour leadership: Donor to challenge Corbyn ballot ruling http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-36791782 It's not quite over...." To be fair, JC had already implied that if he had lost that ruling, he would have considered legal action. | |||
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"Labour leadership: Donor to challenge Corbyn ballot ruling http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-36791782 It's not quite over.... To be fair, JC had already implied that if he had lost that ruling, he would have considered legal action." He was never going to lose when he had his henchman threatening people | |||
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"Labour leadership: Donor to challenge Corbyn ballot ruling http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-36791782 It's not quite over.... To be fair, JC had already implied that if he had lost that ruling, he would have considered legal action. He was never going to lose when he had his henchman threatening people" Much as one might have views about JC, I really don't think that "threatening henchmen" is one that springs to mind. | |||
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"Labour leadership: Donor to challenge Corbyn ballot ruling http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-36791782 It's not quite over.... To be fair, JC had already implied that if he had lost that ruling, he would have considered legal action. He was never going to lose when he had his henchman threatening people" this.. some of what went on before and during the NEC meeting on Tuesday was if only half accurate a disgusting and shameful state of affairs and whilst he may not want to be Corbyn is directly associated with such actions.. | |||
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"Labour leadership: Donor to challenge Corbyn ballot ruling http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-36791782 It's not quite over.... To be fair, JC had already implied that if he had lost that ruling, he would have considered legal action. He was never going to lose when he had his henchman threatening people this.. some of what went on before and during the NEC meeting on Tuesday was if only half accurate a disgusting and shameful state of affairs and whilst he may not want to be Corbyn is directly associated with such actions.. " In what way? | |||
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"Labour leadership: Donor to challenge Corbyn ballot ruling http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-36791782 It's not quite over.... To be fair, JC had already implied that if he had lost that ruling, he would have considered legal action. He was never going to lose when he had his henchman threatening people this.. some of what went on before and during the NEC meeting on Tuesday was if only half accurate a disgusting and shameful state of affairs and whilst he may not want to be Corbyn is directly associated with such actions.. In what way?" ch4 news had an NEC member on yesterday and she was nearly in tears over the amount of intimidation she and other's had received up to and during the meeting.. the request for a secret ballot was made purely on the basis that some have had threats.. | |||
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"Labour leadership: Donor to challenge Corbyn ballot ruling http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-36791782 It's not quite over.... To be fair, JC had already implied that if he had lost that ruling, he would have considered legal action. He was never going to lose when he had his henchman threatening people this.. some of what went on before and during the NEC meeting on Tuesday was if only half accurate a disgusting and shameful state of affairs and whilst he may not want to be Corbyn is directly associated with such actions.. In what way? ch4 news had an NEC member on yesterday and she was nearly in tears over the amount of intimidation she and other's had received up to and during the meeting.. the request for a secret ballot was made purely on the basis that some have had threats.. " Well, I doubt that Mr Corbyn had anything to do with that. | |||
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"Labour leadership: Donor to challenge Corbyn ballot ruling http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-36791782 It's not quite over.... To be fair, JC had already implied that if he had lost that ruling, he would have considered legal action. He was never going to lose when he had his henchman threatening people this.. some of what went on before and during the NEC meeting on Tuesday was if only half accurate a disgusting and shameful state of affairs and whilst he may not want to be Corbyn is directly associated with such actions.. In what way? ch4 news had an NEC member on yesterday and she was nearly in tears over the amount of intimidation she and other's had received up to and during the meeting.. the request for a secret ballot was made purely on the basis that some have had threats.. Well, I doubt that Mr Corbyn had anything to do with that." he had everything to do with that. He was the reason for it | |||
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"Sadly Labour are dead in the water, they need to sort themselves out quick or people will continue to walk away in vast numbers and not return They need a strong leader and I cannot think of one that can turn this mess around." Cameron?  | |||
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"Labour leadership: Donor to challenge Corbyn ballot ruling http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-36791782 It's not quite over.... To be fair, JC had already implied that if he had lost that ruling, he would have considered legal action. He was never going to lose when he had his henchman threatening people this.. some of what went on before and during the NEC meeting on Tuesday was if only half accurate a disgusting and shameful state of affairs and whilst he may not want to be Corbyn is directly associated with such actions.. In what way? ch4 news had an NEC member on yesterday and she was nearly in tears over the amount of intimidation she and other's had received up to and during the meeting.. the request for a secret ballot was made purely on the basis that some have had threats.. Well, I doubt that Mr Corbyn had anything to do with that." according to the NEC member another female member asked that there be anonymity as she had only just gone through a stalking issue and with the threats on top of that she was feeling very vulnerable and in tears and directly asked Corbyn to have the secret ballot and he said no.. whilst he may not be directly involved those that are doing so and other such bricks through windows and death threats etc are in support of him and he can try to stop it.. | |||
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"Labour leadership: Donor to challenge Corbyn ballot ruling http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-36791782 It's not quite over.... To be fair, JC had already implied that if he had lost that ruling, he would have considered legal action. He was never going to lose when he had his henchman threatening people this.. some of what went on before and during the NEC meeting on Tuesday was if only half accurate a disgusting and shameful state of affairs and whilst he may not want to be Corbyn is directly associated with such actions.. In what way? ch4 news had an NEC member on yesterday and she was nearly in tears over the amount of intimidation she and other's had received up to and during the meeting.. the request for a secret ballot was made purely on the basis that some have had threats.. Well, I doubt that Mr Corbyn had anything to do with that. according to the NEC member another female member asked that there be anonymity as she had only just gone through a stalking issue and with the threats on top of that she was feeling very vulnerable and in tears and directly asked Corbyn to have the secret ballot and he said no.. whilst he may not be directly involved those that are doing so and other such bricks through windows and death threats etc are in support of him and he can try to stop it.. " Just because stupid assholes throw bricks, it does not mean he is responsible. FFS, do you really think that for one minute he would condone that? If you think that, then you have some unique insight that no one else has. | |||
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"Labour leadership: Donor to challenge Corbyn ballot ruling http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-36791782 It's not quite over.... To be fair, JC had already implied that if he had lost that ruling, he would have considered legal action. He was never going to lose when he had his henchman threatening people this.. some of what went on before and during the NEC meeting on Tuesday was if only half accurate a disgusting and shameful state of affairs and whilst he may not want to be Corbyn is directly associated with such actions.. In what way? ch4 news had an NEC member on yesterday and she was nearly in tears over the amount of intimidation she and other's had received up to and during the meeting.. the request for a secret ballot was made purely on the basis that some have had threats.. Well, I doubt that Mr Corbyn had anything to do with that. according to the NEC member another female member asked that there be anonymity as she had only just gone through a stalking issue and with the threats on top of that she was feeling very vulnerable and in tears and directly asked Corbyn to have the secret ballot and he said no.. whilst he may not be directly involved those that are doing so and other such bricks through windows and death threats etc are in support of him and he can try to stop it.. Just because stupid assholes throw bricks, it does not mean he is responsible. FFS, do you really think that for one minute he would condone that? If you think that, then you have some unique insight that no one else has." you appear to have ignored what I said above so just to clarify of course he wouldn't but if anyone think's its being done by anyone other than the momentum lot albeit a small minority then its time to take the blinkers off.. its the action's of militant and some of the thugs who were kicked out of the party in the 80's, they are now fully enmeshed in the momentum movement.. the language by John Mcdonnell is below what one would expect, have stood with him and Corbyn on a picket line so whilst not surprised given the stakes its a bit sad that they are not doing anything more publicly.. | |||
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"Labour leadership: Donor to challenge Corbyn ballot ruling http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-36791782 It's not quite over.... To be fair, JC had already implied that if he had lost that ruling, he would have considered legal action. He was never going to lose when he had his henchman threatening people this.. some of what went on before and during the NEC meeting on Tuesday was if only half accurate a disgusting and shameful state of affairs and whilst he may not want to be Corbyn is directly associated with such actions.. In what way? ch4 news had an NEC member on yesterday and she was nearly in tears over the amount of intimidation she and other's had received up to and during the meeting.. the request for a secret ballot was made purely on the basis that some have had threats.. Well, I doubt that Mr Corbyn had anything to do with that. according to the NEC member another female member asked that there be anonymity as she had only just gone through a stalking issue and with the threats on top of that she was feeling very vulnerable and in tears and directly asked Corbyn to have the secret ballot and he said no.. whilst he may not be directly involved those that are doing so and other such bricks through windows and death threats etc are in support of him and he can try to stop it.. Just because stupid assholes throw bricks, it does not mean he is responsible. FFS, do you really think that for one minute he would condone that? If you think that, then you have some unique insight that no one else has. you appear to have ignored what I said above so just to clarify of course he wouldn't but if anyone think's its being done by anyone other than the momentum lot albeit a small minority then its time to take the blinkers off.. its the action's of militant and some of the thugs who were kicked out of the party in the 80's, they are now fully enmeshed in the momentum movement.. the language by John Mcdonnell is below what one would expect, have stood with him and Corbyn on a picket line so whilst not surprised given the stakes its a bit sad that they are not doing anything more publicly.. " Your implication was that Corbyn was responsible. He is not. The militants can go fuck themselves. Whatever one's opinion of Corbyn, as a leader or a politician, there is no way he would ever condone that sort of behaviour. | |||
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"Labour leadership: Donor to challenge Corbyn ballot ruling http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-36791782 It's not quite over.... To be fair, JC had already implied that if he had lost that ruling, he would have considered legal action. He was never going to lose when he had his henchman threatening people this.. some of what went on before and during the NEC meeting on Tuesday was if only half accurate a disgusting and shameful state of affairs and whilst he may not want to be Corbyn is directly associated with such actions.. In what way? ch4 news had an NEC member on yesterday and she was nearly in tears over the amount of intimidation she and other's had received up to and during the meeting.. the request for a secret ballot was made purely on the basis that some have had threats.. Well, I doubt that Mr Corbyn had anything to do with that. according to the NEC member another female member asked that there be anonymity as she had only just gone through a stalking issue and with the threats on top of that she was feeling very vulnerable and in tears and directly asked Corbyn to have the secret ballot and he said no.. whilst he may not be directly involved those that are doing so and other such bricks through windows and death threats etc are in support of him and he can try to stop it.. Just because stupid assholes throw bricks, it does not mean he is responsible. FFS, do you really think that for one minute he would condone that? If you think that, then you have some unique insight that no one else has. you appear to have ignored what I said above so just to clarify of course he wouldn't but if anyone think's its being done by anyone other than the momentum lot albeit a small minority then its time to take the blinkers off.. its the action's of militant and some of the thugs who were kicked out of the party in the 80's, they are now fully enmeshed in the momentum movement.. the language by John Mcdonnell is below what one would expect, have stood with him and Corbyn on a picket line so whilst not surprised given the stakes its a bit sad that they are not doing anything more publicly.. Your implication was that Corbyn was responsible. He is not. The militants can go fuck themselves. Whatever one's opinion of Corbyn, as a leader or a politician, there is no way he would ever condone that sort of behaviour." and you know that because...? | |||
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"When Corbyn was elected 10 months ago he polled 251417 votes out of 422871 cast. That is a massive majority, that the PLP (and their backers) think is is their place to firstly overrule the Labour Party membership and secondly when faced with the prospect of having to face Corbyn in a rerun they feel that they should have the right to bar him from the ballot. How dare they! Who do they think they are? I hope that ever local party deselect the 172 MP's who believe it is their place to overrule 251417 members of the party!" What makes you think the fifth biggest economy in the world is going to turn to Corbyn's brand of ultra-liberal socialism? The Labour Party had twice as many members with Michael Foot in charge and got nowhere. I can't see Corbyn picking up votes anywhere outside of his own narrow viewpoint. The LP and working class people - even if they had 10 times the members - are well and truly fucked with him in charge imo. | |||
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" The Labour Party had twice as many members with Michael Foot in charge and got nowhere. I can't see Corbyn picking up votes anywhere outside of his own narrow viewpoint. The LP and working class people - even if they had 10 times the members - are well and truly fucked with him in charge imo." The Labour Party now has 515,000 members. Did they really have over a million under Foot. They only had 407,000 when Blair came to power in 1997. That was, I think, a high. That is not small numbers. Plus the ones who voted UKIP will return to voting Labour most likely. | |||
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" The Labour Party had twice as many members with Michael Foot in charge and got nowhere. I can't see Corbyn picking up votes anywhere outside of his own narrow viewpoint. The LP and working class people - even if they had 10 times the members - are well and truly fucked with him in charge imo. The Labour Party now has 515,000 members. Did they really have over a million under Foot. They only had 407,000 when Blair came to power in 1997. That was, I think, a high. That is not small numbers. Plus the ones who voted UKIP will return to voting Labour most likely. " I hate to tell you this but 407.000 votes will not win you an election and though he may impress a lot of members he certainly does not impress the majority of voters especially the ones that win elections those of us in the middle , As much as I think he needs taking to task over Iraq the one thing Blair realised was to get elected labour had to be less left wing , so Angela eagle and Owen Smith would still not win an election | |||
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"Thinks it is the end for Labour. They have become the non democratic party. Changed the rules again. Is a vote worth £25 !!!!!" This who,e thing just gets funnier and funnier....you could not write this stuff! The whole Labour Party has become comedy gold!!! | |||
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" I hate to tell you this but 407.000 votes will not win you an election and though he may impress a lot of members he certainly does not impress the majority of voters especially the ones that win elections those of us in the middle , As much as I think he needs taking to task over Iraq the one thing Blair realised was to get elected labour had to be less left wing , so Angela eagle and Owen Smith would still not win an election" I quite agree about 407,000 votes not winning the next election. However it isn't 407,000 votes, it is 515,000 members. That is slightly different to votes. Members are the people who don't just vote for a party they campaign for it and promote it and work for it. Furthermore, overwhelmingly these new members are young, enthusiastic and energetic. They believe in a different style of politics. Their message will take a little time to seep through to the ordinary public. While I don't think Corbyn is charismatic like Blair or Cameron, which may ultimately be his downfall, I do think he is principled and tenacious. Such an approach, if it is to work, would take time. Also it does take people a while to find their feet in a role and for people to get used to them. Blair, Cameron and Thatcher were outstanding in the House of Commons by the end but none of them were all that good at first. I doubt Corbyn will ever be close to their standard, but he is getting better at it. He really hasn't been there long. What is more, it hasn't exactly been a standard 10 months. We have had opposition from his own colleagues right from the start undermining rather than supporting him adding to a very scared right wing press constantly trying to destroy him. Then we have had the farce of Brexit and the awful campaigning on both sides by the lying Right of the Country. Unfortunately Corbyn was on the losing side and promptly blamed for it. However that blame was opportunist and political and, above all, incorrect (he did get the Labour vote out and he did get it to vote Remain by and large). It is no wonder his popularity rating isn't so high in the public at large. And yet not only is he still there, there is actually a groundwell of support particularly amongst the young. And the young of this country, for so long disillusioned and apathetic at a style of politics they felt unable to change or influence are suddenly seeing they might just have a say. Moreover they are angry. They have been accused of not turning out, yet in fact 2/3 did. Now they feel betrayed. 70% of them voted Remain. That is how they wanted to shape their future. Yet they have had their future condemned by a 90% turnout of, as they see it, selfish, greedy, negative old people with very little future ahead of them. They feel like someone who has been made to watch a film they didn't want to see by their friend, who then fucks off home 10 minutes in. A lot can happen by 2020 if Corbyn survives. Brexit could be a disaster. It is going to be so difficult to deliver on promises that people will feel cheated and they won't blame Labour for it, they will blame half the Tory Party for it. Whether May can navigate that remains to be seen. I think she is competent and has made a very clever beginning with her appointments, clearly with that end game in mind. Also, as bad as it might be technically for the economy of the UK, which will eventually impact everyone, there is also a feeling of hope and empowerment that positive change is possible. That might be enough for the Tories to be re-elected if it can be maintained and the economy is on the way back up by 2020. | |||
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"I apologise for incorrect figures earlier - The LP had around 300,000 members under Foot (over a million in the 1950's). Either way, membership actually means very little these days. I wonder how many of the 500,000 have any idea of what Corbyn's economic policy is, or what his policy is on education or health? No idea? Nope, me either. He is certainly against things, but what is he for - and, more importantly, how does he fund it? And let's not debate about what constitutes democracy - if all we did was act on the wishes of the majority, we'd still be hanging innocent people. We elect leaders to take the right decisions and exercise some moderation on our behalf: I pray we never see the day when we get Government by Facebook 'likes'. If you were being charitable, you could view the actions of the PLP as being motivated purely by a desire to save the Party as an electoral force, and I believe that is the case bar for a small minority who detest Corbyn's politics. I too though thought it would set a dangerous precedent and it would have negated the legitimacy of any challenge. " I'm sure some of the PLP, perhaps most, do believe it is to save the Party as an electoral force. They may be proved right in the long run if Corbyn stays. The issue is how they have gone about it. For a start it is far too soon to make that judgement. Also, they have undermined Mr Corbyn from the start when the membership were entitled to expect them to support him. It is arrogance, it is self importance and it is a complete disregard for the members and indeed democracy. Too many of them are career politicians that have been in the Westminster bubble for too long that they have an overinflated opinion of their own importance. I think the ordinary members were hoping for a change of direction and expected them all to get behind Corbyn and give it a good go until 2019 at which point, if he was clearly still going to lose the next election he could be replaced. As for what Corbyn is for, that you do not know reflects quite badly on you, for it isn't that difficult to find out, but reflects much worse on the media who have been content to focus on such silly things as him not singing the national anthem, not wearing a Saville Row suit and tie, accusing him of being an anti-semite and a threat to national security. Quite simply he will protect the NHS from privatisation, he is against war and violence so he would talk to opposing factions rather than bomb them if he can, he would cut the deficit through higher taxation especially of the rich and corporations, rather than austerity measures, he would re-nationalise the railways, he would scrap trident, he would like quantative easing for people rather than banks, he wants to build more council houses and re-introduce rent controls, he'd like a national maximum wage, he'd like energy companies to be publicly owned, he'd like a united Ireland and a few more things besides. However the actual manifesto is decided by the party as a whole at its annual conference. You may remember the Party decided to replace Trident and he democratically accepted the will of the party even though he would never be able to press the button. | |||
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