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"With a new Tory leader and Labour in shit, do you think this would be a great opportunist time for May to call an election?" What would a new election prove ? And where are the leaders of the Conservatives and Labour ? Who would we be voting for ? | |||
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"i couldnt give a flying rats arse..but i so hope i dont have to listen to people blithering on speculating about it..thats why the political forum was born and i stay in the lounge ...right? "You're quite right. We stand corrected  ! | |||
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"i couldnt give a flying rats arse..but i so hope i dont have to listen to people blithering on speculating about it..thats why the political forum was born and i stay in the lounge ...right? "Definitely somthing we will always agree on  | |||
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"i couldnt give a flying rats arse.." Interesting point: 1,269,501 - margin by which the UK voted to leave EU 12,923,225 - eligible voters in UK who did not vote in the referendum. | |||
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"With a new Tory leader and Labour in shit, do you think this would be a great opportunist time for May to call an election? What would a new election prove ? And where are the leaders of the Conservatives and Labour ? Who would we be voting for ?" You have obviously missed the news that leadsom has stood down leaving Theresa May as the only candidate for PM Before the last election the rules were changed to set fixed terms for governments and Cameron stated then that he was going to stand down before the term was up. | |||
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"i couldnt give a flying rats arse..but i so hope i dont have to listen to people blithering on speculating about it..thats why the political forum was born and i stay in the lounge ...right?
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"But just because it's topical, I don;t see why it should be banished as 'political'. The forum/Lounge is, in my mind, a bit like a pub - all kindsa topics. And this is just another. "But this subject can fuck right off to its own boring little world where it belongs | |||
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"No election, no referendum Totally agree" There are others who disagree | |||
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"i couldnt give a flying rats arse.. Interesting point: 1,269,501 - margin by which the UK voted to leave EU 12,923,225 - eligible voters in UK who did not vote in the referendum. "it wont and hasnt affected me or my breathing capacity in the slightest and never will. i shall be killed by death..not the rules that constantly change in the world..and guess what..no one will give a shit..as is natural and just..so while im alive i shall live and when i am dead, life will carry on..so whos wasting time on this pointless crap? not me... | |||
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"i couldnt give a flying rats arse.. Interesting point: 1,269,501 - margin by which the UK voted to leave EU 12,923,225 - eligible voters in UK who did not vote in the referendum. it wont and hasnt affected me or my breathing capacity in the slightest and never will. i shall be killed by death..not the rules that constantly change in the world..and guess what..no one will give a shit..as is natural and just..so while im alive i shall live and when i am dead, life will carry on..so whos wasting time on this pointless crap? not me..."...is exactly my point. The number of people who cared more about the voted are outnumbered by a margin of 10 to 1 who don;t give a shit. I'm not blaming you, or having a go, just pointing out the bleeding obvious. | |||
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"But just because it's topical, I don;t see why it should be banished as 'political'. The forum/Lounge is, in my mind, a bit like a pub - all kindsa topics. And this is just another. "I disagree!  | |||
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"i couldnt give a flying rats arse.. Interesting point: 1,269,501 - margin by which the UK voted to leave EU 12,923,225 - eligible voters in UK who did not vote in the referendum. it wont and hasnt affected me or my breathing capacity in the slightest and never will. i shall be killed by death..not the rules that constantly change in the world..and guess what..no one will give a shit..as is natural and just..so while im alive i shall live and when i am dead, life will carry on..so whos wasting time on this pointless crap? not me...
...is exactly my point.
The number of people who cared more about the voted are outnumbered by a margin of 10 to 1 who don;t give a shit.
I'm not blaming you, or having a go, just pointing out the bleeding obvious. "
the only thing i would vote for is the ending of the legalese corrupt system . no other vote counts..all other 'choices' are fake...its called human herding | |||
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"But just because it's topical, I don;t see why it should be banished as 'political'. The forum/Lounge is, in my mind, a bit like a pub - all kindsa topics. And this is just another.
I disagree! "Nice 1 dg | |||
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"But just because it's topical, I don;t see why it should be banished as 'political'. The forum/Lounge is, in my mind, a bit like a pub - all kindsa topics. And this is just another.
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Nice 1 dg "ha thankyou mod xx syphoned to room 101..i can get back to kiss suck fuck now and avoid..this thread | |||
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"Probably and probably also another EU referendum. " Another referendum is never going to happen | |||
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"No election, no referendum " This despite labour going on about it they would get trounced and lose seats possibly to Ukip. The last thing that the Tories want and the country needs now is an election.. In 4 years some of their supporters who offed it to UkIP may have come back to the fold.. | |||
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"Disappointing to hear she has pulled out of the contest, will Theresa May be in power by the end of the week Will she have Cameron move out immediately and move in to her new Westminster home" She will be in by Wednesday night | |||
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"No 2nd referendum no matter how many toys the Remainers throw out of their pram. It done. Finished. End of. " Don't count your chickens A referendum was marginally won on a campaign of lies not least of which was the assurance that the UK would have access to the single market and not accept free movement and not have to pay. When it is shown that this is not going to happen and Messrs Farage, Gove & Johnson cannot be held accountable there will quite rightly be a legal challenge to the referendum - it is called democracy. | |||
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"No 2nd referendum no matter how many toys the Remainers throw out of their pram. It done. Finished. End of. Don't count your chickens A referendum was marginally won on a campaign of lies not least of which was the assurance that the UK would have access to the single market and not accept free movement and not have to pay. When it is shown that this is not going to happen and Messrs Farage, Gove & Johnson cannot be held accountable there will quite rightly be a legal challenge to the referendum - it is called democracy." Going against the vote won by 17 million people will not be showing democracy, not to mention most general elections are won on lies. | |||
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"No 2nd referendum no matter how many toys the Remainers throw out of their pram. It done. Finished. End of. Don't count your chickens A referendum was marginally won on a campaign of lies not least of which was the assurance that the UK would have access to the single market and not accept free movement and not have to pay. When it is shown that this is not going to happen and Messrs Farage, Gove & Johnson cannot be held accountable there will quite rightly be a legal challenge to the referendum - it is called democracy. Going against the vote won by 17 million people will not be showing democracy, not to mention most general elections are won on lies." When has a political party really cared what the people who elect them think .and since Many of the people who voted for out probably never voted tory in Their lives and never probably will the tory party will do what is best for their sponsors big business ..time will tell but if they want any chance of re-election in 2020 it will have to please the possible tory voters .. | |||
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"With a new Tory leader and Labour in shit, do you think this would be a great opportunist time for May to call an election?" no | |||
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"With a new Tory leader and Labour in shit, do you think this would be a great opportunist time for May to call an election?" No as May needs to get on with the job in hand. | |||
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"No 2nd referendum no matter how many toys the Remainers throw out of their pram. It done. Finished. End of. Don't count your chickens A referendum was marginally won on a campaign of lies not least of which was the assurance that the UK would have access to the single market and not accept free movement and not have to pay. When it is shown that this is not going to happen and Messrs Farage, Gove & Johnson cannot be held accountable there will quite rightly be a legal challenge to the referendum - it is called democracy." Toys / Pram / Feet / Stamping... What part of Mrs May (our soon to be Prime Minister) saying "Brexit means Brexit" are you having trouble understanding exactly? We heard the Labour Luvvies wringing their poor hands in Parliament earlier when there was an Urgent question about Article 5 saying there ought to be a Royal Commission, debates and delays and the response was pretty damn firm from the Government Minister. It is us the people that give power to Parliament by electing MPs. They asked us to give a decision on the EU. We gave that decision in a clear way both in turnout and majority. The MPs must now just crack on and get us out of the EU. If they do NOT and obstruct Mrs May she might well decide to call a General Election and God help those Luvvies who stood in her way... | |||
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"No election, no referendum Totally agree There are others who disagree" I agree there are others who disagree
There wont be another referendum as there was a result first time.
There wont be a general election as it is deemed you vote for a party not an individual. Its done especially for scenarios like this to prevent instability and uncertainty. | |||
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"No 2nd referendum no matter how many toys the Remainers throw out of their pram. It done. Finished. End of. Don't count your chickens A referendum was marginally won on a campaign of lies not least of which was the assurance that the UK would have access to the single market and not accept free movement and not have to pay. When it is shown that this is not going to happen and Messrs Farage, Gove & Johnson cannot be held accountable there will quite rightly be a legal challenge to the referendum - it is called democracy. Toys / Pram / Feet / Stamping... What part of Mrs May (our soon to be Prime Minister) saying "Brexit means Brexit" are you having trouble understanding exactly? We heard the Labour Luvvies wringing their poor hands in Parliament earlier when there was an Urgent question about Article 5 saying there ought to be a Royal Commission, debates and delays and the response was pretty damn firm from the Government Minister. It is us the people that give power to Parliament by electing MPs. They asked us to give a decision on the EU. We gave that decision in a clear way both in turnout and majority. The MPs must now just crack on and get us out of the EU. If they do NOT and obstruct Mrs May she might well decide to call a General Election and God help those Luvvies who stood in her way..." As long as the government does it legally there will ne no issues http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jul/08/legal-attempt-prevent-brexit-preliminary-hearing-article-50 Cant be having another Iraq scenario can we | |||
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"No 2nd referendum no matter how many toys the Remainers throw out of their pram. It done. Finished. End of. Don't count your chickens A referendum was marginally won on a campaign of lies not least of which was the assurance that the UK would have access to the single market and not accept free movement and not have to pay. When it is shown that this is not going to happen and Messrs Farage, Gove & Johnson cannot be held accountable there will quite rightly be a legal challenge to the referendum - it is called democracy. Toys / Pram / Feet / Stamping... What part of Mrs May (our soon to be Prime Minister) saying "Brexit means Brexit" are you having trouble understanding exactly? We heard the Labour Luvvies wringing their poor hands in Parliament earlier when there was an Urgent question about Article 5 saying there ought to be a Royal Commission, debates and delays and the response was pretty damn firm from the Government Minister. It is us the people that give power to Parliament by electing MPs. They asked us to give a decision on the EU. We gave that decision in a clear way both in turnout and majority. The MPs must now just crack on and get us out of the EU. If they do NOT and obstruct Mrs May she might well decide to call a General Election and God help those Luvvies who stood in her way... As long as the government does it legally there will ne no issues http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jul/08/legal-attempt-prevent-brexit-preliminary-hearing-article-50 Cant be having another Iraq scenario can we " Oh the Guardian ... yes as I said those hand wringing Leftie Luvvies standing in the way of the will of the British people. The people who failed to give us a Referendum over the Lisbon Treaty that created this monstrosity called the EU because 'they knew best'. OK so let Mrs May call an early vote on Article 50 and lets see who wants to deny the British People. And if she loses that vote it will trigger a general election... and the wipeout of the Labour Party and the rise of UKIP (Mk II) in the North of England. Remember Sunderland and Bolton and all across the North in the Referendum? And the fucking lawyers of course making a mint (again) out of it all. | |||
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"No election, no referendum Totally agree There are others who disagree I agree there are others who disagree
There wont be another referendum as there was a result first time.
There wont be a general election as it is deemed you vote for a party not an individual. Its done especially for scenarios like this to prevent instability and uncertainty."Correct - as I outlined in my subsequent post | |||
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"No 2nd referendum no matter how many toys the Remainers throw out of their pram. It done. Finished. End of. Don't count your chickens A referendum was marginally won on a campaign of lies not least of which was the assurance that the UK would have access to the single market and not accept free movement and not have to pay. When it is shown that this is not going to happen and Messrs Farage, Gove & Johnson cannot be held accountable there will quite rightly be a legal challenge to the referendum - it is called democracy. Toys / Pram / Feet / Stamping... What part of Mrs May (our soon to be Prime Minister) saying "Brexit means Brexit" are you having trouble understanding exactly? We heard the Labour Luvvies wringing their poor hands in Parliament earlier when there was an Urgent question about Article 5 saying there ought to be a Royal Commission, debates and delays and the response was pretty damn firm from the Government Minister. It is us the people that give power to Parliament by electing MPs. They asked us to give a decision on the EU. We gave that decision in a clear way both in turnout and majority. The MPs must now just crack on and get us out of the EU. If they do NOT and obstruct Mrs May she might well decide to call a General Election and God help those Luvvies who stood in her way..." As I said don't count your chickens.... Shout and scream all you like about not getting your way but legal process has to be undertaken. The referendum vote was to leave the EU. It was not about leaving the single market and committing economic suicide. The Vote Leave asserted clearly that the UK could stay in the single market, not have free movement and not have to pay. Lies. Lies can be challenged in Court and decisions that will change this country for ever should not and Connor be based on lies. Not only that, once the economic reality of leaving the single market is laid out in all its grim and costly glory - an awful lot of people are going to wonder if it really is worth it just to have a few less Spanish waiters and Polish builders. | |||
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"With a new Tory leader and Labour in shit, do you think this would be a great opportunist time for May to call an election?" yep.... do i think she would call one... not a chance! | |||
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"No 2nd referendum no matter how many toys the Remainers throw out of their pram. It done. Finished. End of. Don't count your chickens A referendum was marginally won on a campaign of lies not least of which was the assurance that the UK would have access to the single market and not accept free movement and not have to pay. When it is shown that this is not going to happen and Messrs Farage, Gove & Johnson cannot be held accountable there will quite rightly be a legal challenge to the referendum - it is called democracy. Toys / Pram / Feet / Stamping... What part of Mrs May (our soon to be Prime Minister) saying "Brexit means Brexit" are you having trouble understanding exactly? We heard the Labour Luvvies wringing their poor hands in Parliament earlier when there was an Urgent question about Article 5 saying there ought to be a Royal Commission, debates and delays and the response was pretty damn firm from the Government Minister. It is us the people that give power to Parliament by electing MPs. They asked us to give a decision on the EU. We gave that decision in a clear way both in turnout and majority. The MPs must now just crack on and get us out of the EU. If they do NOT and obstruct Mrs May she might well decide to call a General Election and God help those Luvvies who stood in her way... As I said don't count your chickens.... Shout and scream all you like about not getting your way but legal process has to be undertaken. The referendum vote was to leave the EU. It was not about leaving the single market and committing economic suicide. The Vote Leave asserted clearly that the UK could stay in the single market, not have free movement and not have to pay. Lies. Lies can be challenged in Court and decisions that will change this country for ever should not and Connor be based on lies. Not only that, once the economic reality of leaving the single market is laid out in all its grim and costly glory - an awful lot of people are going to wonder if it really is worth it just to have a few less Spanish waiters and Polish builders." Have you sought legal opinion? I was just wondering on what legal basis the result of a referendum could possibly be challenged. Both sides made ridiculous claims. Do you really think that the public was unable to see through them? | |||
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"No 2nd referendum no matter how many toys the Remainers throw out of their pram. It done. Finished. End of. Don't count your chickens A referendum was marginally won on a campaign of lies not least of which was the assurance that the UK would have access to the single market and not accept free movement and not have to pay. When it is shown that this is not going to happen and Messrs Farage, Gove & Johnson cannot be held accountable there will quite rightly be a legal challenge to the referendum - it is called democracy. Toys / Pram / Feet / Stamping... What part of Mrs May (our soon to be Prime Minister) saying "Brexit means Brexit" are you having trouble understanding exactly? We heard the Labour Luvvies wringing their poor hands in Parliament earlier when there was an Urgent question about Article 5 saying there ought to be a Royal Commission, debates and delays and the response was pretty damn firm from the Government Minister. It is us the people that give power to Parliament by electing MPs. They asked us to give a decision on the EU. We gave that decision in a clear way both in turnout and majority. The MPs must now just crack on and get us out of the EU. If they do NOT and obstruct Mrs May she might well decide to call a General Election and God help those Luvvies who stood in her way... As I said don't count your chickens.... Shout and scream all you like about not getting your way but legal process has to be undertaken. The referendum vote was to leave the EU. It was not about leaving the single market and committing economic suicide. The Vote Leave asserted clearly that the UK could stay in the single market, not have free movement and not have to pay. Lies. Lies can be challenged in Court and decisions that will change this country for ever should not and Connor be based on lies. Not only that, once the economic reality of leaving the single market is laid out in all its grim and costly glory - an awful lot of people are going to wonder if it really is worth it just to have a few less Spanish waiters and Polish builders. Have you sought legal opinion? I was just wondering on what legal basis the result of a referendum could possibly be challenged. Both sides made ridiculous claims. Do you really think that the public was unable to see through them?" many people suggest both sides lied, but no one has yet shown us one the stay side came up with whereas we can all see the Leave ones now... | |||
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"No 2nd referendum no matter how many toys the Remainers throw out of their pram. It done. Finished. End of. Don't count your chickens A referendum was marginally won on a campaign of lies not least of which was the assurance that the UK would have access to the single market and not accept free movement and not have to pay. When it is shown that this is not going to happen and Messrs Farage, Gove & Johnson cannot be held accountable there will quite rightly be a legal challenge to the referendum - it is called democracy. Toys / Pram / Feet / Stamping... What part of Mrs May (our soon to be Prime Minister) saying "Brexit means Brexit" are you having trouble understanding exactly? We heard the Labour Luvvies wringing their poor hands in Parliament earlier when there was an Urgent question about Article 5 saying there ought to be a Royal Commission, debates and delays and the response was pretty damn firm from the Government Minister. It is us the people that give power to Parliament by electing MPs. They asked us to give a decision on the EU. We gave that decision in a clear way both in turnout and majority. The MPs must now just crack on and get us out of the EU. If they do NOT and obstruct Mrs May she might well decide to call a General Election and God help those Luvvies who stood in her way... As I said don't count your chickens.... Shout and scream all you like about not getting your way but legal process has to be undertaken. The referendum vote was to leave the EU. It was not about leaving the single market and committing economic suicide. The Vote Leave asserted clearly that the UK could stay in the single market, not have free movement and not have to pay. Lies. Lies can be challenged in Court and decisions that will change this country for ever should not and Connor be based on lies. Not only that, once the economic reality of leaving the single market is laid out in all its grim and costly glory - an awful lot of people are going to wonder if it really is worth it just to have a few less Spanish waiters and Polish builders. Have you sought legal opinion? I was just wondering on what legal basis the result of a referendum could possibly be challenged. Both sides made ridiculous claims. Do you really think that the public was unable to see through them?" Leave claims... We send 350 million a day to the EU We can spend it on our NHS We can access the Single market because they need us more than we need them and so we won't need to accept free movement and we won't need to pay. Those are lies. Remain claims Britain faces an uncertain economic future out of the EU. European security is intertwined with The concept of the EU Britain cannot access the single market and have free movement of people. Britain needs access to the single market because almost half of our exports go there and risking that is foolhardy. We don't send 350 million a week to the EU Those are not lies. That said, the claims were in many cases twisted by the leave campaign to allege that European security meant that Remain were claiming WW3 would erupt if the UK left the EU. | |||
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" As I said don't count your chickens.... Shout and scream all you like about not getting your way but legal process has to be undertaken. The referendum vote was to leave the EU. It was not about leaving the single market and committing economic suicide. The Vote Leave asserted clearly that the UK could stay in the single market, not have free movement and not have to pay. Lies. Lies can be challenged in Court and decisions that will change this country for ever should not and Connor be based on lies. Not only that, once the economic reality of leaving the single market is laid out in all its grim and costly glory - an awful lot of people are going to wonder if it really is worth it just to have a few less Spanish waiters and Polish builders. " And another conversation ends in utter nonsense and sarcasm about waiters. God save us.. Listen I worked with Vote leave from the start. We never EVER said we could leave the EU and stay in the Single Market... we said we could ACCESS that market. Just as every other country accesses it through trade. Being IN means all the crap that goes with it. Being out means trading with.... | |||
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"No 2nd referendum no matter how many toys the Remainers throw out of their pram. It done. Finished. End of. Don't count your chickens A referendum was marginally won on a campaign of lies not least of which was the assurance that the UK would have access to the single market and not accept free movement and not have to pay. When it is shown that this is not going to happen and Messrs Farage, Gove & Johnson cannot be held accountable there will quite rightly be a legal challenge to the referendum - it is called democracy. Toys / Pram / Feet / Stamping... What part of Mrs May (our soon to be Prime Minister) saying "Brexit means Brexit" are you having trouble understanding exactly? We heard the Labour Luvvies wringing their poor hands in Parliament earlier when there was an Urgent question about Article 5 saying there ought to be a Royal Commission, debates and delays and the response was pretty damn firm from the Government Minister. It is us the people that give power to Parliament by electing MPs. They asked us to give a decision on the EU. We gave that decision in a clear way both in turnout and majority. The MPs must now just crack on and get us out of the EU. If they do NOT and obstruct Mrs May she might well decide to call a General Election and God help those Luvvies who stood in her way... As I said don't count your chickens.... Shout and scream all you like about not getting your way but legal process has to be undertaken. The referendum vote was to leave the EU. It was not about leaving the single market and committing economic suicide. The Vote Leave asserted clearly that the UK could stay in the single market, not have free movement and not have to pay. Lies. Lies can be challenged in Court and decisions that will change this country for ever should not and Connor be based on lies. Not only that, once the economic reality of leaving the single market is laid out in all its grim and costly glory - an awful lot of people are going to wonder if it really is worth it just to have a few less Spanish waiters and Polish builders. Have you sought legal opinion? I was just wondering on what legal basis the result of a referendum could possibly be challenged. Both sides made ridiculous claims. Do you really think that the public was unable to see through them?" Read the news. It has started and the legal challenges will increase as the enormity of the economic consequences truly reveal themselves. All because wewant a few less Poles and Spanish around? Now we have people saying that it isn't about immigration at all, but free movement is a red line???.... | |||
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"No 2nd referendum no matter how many toys the Remainers throw out of their pram. It done. Finished. End of. Don't count your chickens A referendum was marginally won on a campaign of lies not least of which was the assurance that the UK would have access to the single market and not accept free movement and not have to pay. When it is shown that this is not going to happen and Messrs Farage, Gove & Johnson cannot be held accountable there will quite rightly be a legal challenge to the referendum - it is called democracy. Toys / Pram / Feet / Stamping... What part of Mrs May (our soon to be Prime Minister) saying "Brexit means Brexit" are you having trouble understanding exactly? We heard the Labour Luvvies wringing their poor hands in Parliament earlier when there was an Urgent question about Article 5 saying there ought to be a Royal Commission, debates and delays and the response was pretty damn firm from the Government Minister. It is us the people that give power to Parliament by electing MPs. They asked us to give a decision on the EU. We gave that decision in a clear way both in turnout and majority. The MPs must now just crack on and get us out of the EU. If they do NOT and obstruct Mrs May she might well decide to call a General Election and God help those Luvvies who stood in her way... As I said don't count your chickens.... Shout and scream all you like about not getting your way but legal process has to be undertaken. The referendum vote was to leave the EU. It was not about leaving the single market and committing economic suicide. The Vote Leave asserted clearly that the UK could stay in the single market, not have free movement and not have to pay. Lies. Lies can be challenged in Court and decisions that will change this country for ever should not and Connor be based on lies. Not only that, once the economic reality of leaving the single market is laid out in all its grim and costly glory - an awful lot of people are going to wonder if it really is worth it just to have a few less Spanish waiters and Polish builders. Have you sought legal opinion? I was just wondering on what legal basis the result of a referendum could possibly be challenged. Both sides made ridiculous claims. Do you really think that the public was unable to see through them? Leave claims... We send 350 million a day to the EU We can spend it on our NHS We can access the Single market because they need us more than we need them and so we won't need to accept free movement and we won't need to pay. Those are lies. Remain claims Britain faces an uncertain economic future out of the EU. European security is intertwined with The concept of the EU Britain cannot access the single market and have free movement of people. Britain needs access to the single market because almost half of our exports go there and risking that is foolhardy. We don't send 350 million a week to the EU Those are not lies. That said, the claims were in many cases twisted by the leave campaign to allege that European security meant that Remain were claiming WW3 would erupt if the UK left the EU." But Britain can access the single market the same as every major economy in the world | |||
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"No 2nd referendum no matter how many toys the Remainers throw out of their pram. It done. Finished. End of. Don't count your chickens A referendum was marginally won on a campaign of lies not least of which was the assurance that the UK would have access to the single market and not accept free movement and not have to pay. When it is shown that this is not going to happen and Messrs Farage, Gove & Johnson cannot be held accountable there will quite rightly be a legal challenge to the referendum - it is called democracy. Toys / Pram / Feet / Stamping... What part of Mrs May (our soon to be Prime Minister) saying "Brexit means Brexit" are you having trouble understanding exactly? We heard the Labour Luvvies wringing their poor hands in Parliament earlier when there was an Urgent question about Article 5 saying there ought to be a Royal Commission, debates and delays and the response was pretty damn firm from the Government Minister. It is us the people that give power to Parliament by electing MPs. They asked us to give a decision on the EU. We gave that decision in a clear way both in turnout and majority. The MPs must now just crack on and get us out of the EU. If they do NOT and obstruct Mrs May she might well decide to call a General Election and God help those Luvvies who stood in her way... As I said don't count your chickens.... Shout and scream all you like about not getting your way but legal process has to be undertaken. The referendum vote was to leave the EU. It was not about leaving the single market and committing economic suicide. The Vote Leave asserted clearly that the UK could stay in the single market, not have free movement and not have to pay. Lies. Lies can be challenged in Court and decisions that will change this country for ever should not and Connor be based on lies. Not only that, once the economic reality of leaving the single market is laid out in all its grim and costly glory - an awful lot of people are going to wonder if it really is worth it just to have a few less Spanish waiters and Polish builders. Have you sought legal opinion? I was just wondering on what legal basis the result of a referendum could possibly be challenged. Both sides made ridiculous claims. Do you really think that the public was unable to see through them? many people suggest both sides lied, but no one has yet shown us one the stay side came up with whereas we can all see the Leave ones now..." Want a big lie from Remain: "Each family will be £4,300 a year worse off" That leaflet WE taxpayers paid £9 Million for was pages of utter lies and deception. The fact WE paid for it was an utter deception as it happens. You Remainers submitted those lies to the court of public opinion and you were found wanting... Suck it up and move on .... | |||
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"No 2nd referendum no matter how many toys the Remainers throw out of their pram. It done. Finished. End of. Don't count your chickens A referendum was marginally won on a campaign of lies not least of which was the assurance that the UK would have access to the single market and not accept free movement and not have to pay. When it is shown that this is not going to happen and Messrs Farage, Gove & Johnson cannot be held accountable there will quite rightly be a legal challenge to the referendum - it is called democracy. Toys / Pram / Feet / Stamping... What part of Mrs May (our soon to be Prime Minister) saying "Brexit means Brexit" are you having trouble understanding exactly? We heard the Labour Luvvies wringing their poor hands in Parliament earlier when there was an Urgent question about Article 5 saying there ought to be a Royal Commission, debates and delays and the response was pretty damn firm from the Government Minister. It is us the people that give power to Parliament by electing MPs. They asked us to give a decision on the EU. We gave that decision in a clear way both in turnout and majority. The MPs must now just crack on and get us out of the EU. If they do NOT and obstruct Mrs May she might well decide to call a General Election and God help those Luvvies who stood in her way... As I said don't count your chickens.... Shout and scream all you like about not getting your way but legal process has to be undertaken. The referendum vote was to leave the EU. It was not about leaving the single market and committing economic suicide. The Vote Leave asserted clearly that the UK could stay in the single market, not have free movement and not have to pay. Lies. Lies can be challenged in Court and decisions that will change this country for ever should not and Connor be based on lies. Not only that, once the economic reality of leaving the single market is laid out in all its grim and costly glory - an awful lot of people are going to wonder if it really is worth it just to have a few less Spanish waiters and Polish builders. Have you sought legal opinion? I was just wondering on what legal basis the result of a referendum could possibly be challenged. Both sides made ridiculous claims. Do you really think that the public was unable to see through them? many people suggest both sides lied, but no one has yet shown us one the stay side came up with whereas we can all see the Leave ones now... Want a big lie from Remain: "Each family will be £4,300 a year worse off" That leaflet WE taxpayers paid £9 Million for was pages of utter lies and deception. The fact WE paid for it was an utter deception as it happens. You Remainers submitted those lies to the court of public opinion and you were found wanting... Suck it up and move on ...." it might not be precise, but ball park will be at least in that space. cant see how you don't see it? | |||
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"No 2nd referendum no matter how many toys the Remainers throw out of their pram. It done. Finished. End of. Don't count your chickens A referendum was marginally won on a campaign of lies not least of which was the assurance that the UK would have access to the single market and not accept free movement and not have to pay. When it is shown that this is not going to happen and Messrs Farage, Gove & Johnson cannot be held accountable there will quite rightly be a legal challenge to the referendum - it is called democracy. Toys / Pram / Feet / Stamping... What part of Mrs May (our soon to be Prime Minister) saying "Brexit means Brexit" are you having trouble understanding exactly? We heard the Labour Luvvies wringing their poor hands in Parliament earlier when there was an Urgent question about Article 5 saying there ought to be a Royal Commission, debates and delays and the response was pretty damn firm from the Government Minister. It is us the people that give power to Parliament by electing MPs. They asked us to give a decision on the EU. We gave that decision in a clear way both in turnout and majority. The MPs must now just crack on and get us out of the EU. If they do NOT and obstruct Mrs May she might well decide to call a General Election and God help those Luvvies who stood in her way... As I said don't count your chickens.... Shout and scream all you like about not getting your way but legal process has to be undertaken. The referendum vote was to leave the EU. It was not about leaving the single market and committing economic suicide. The Vote Leave asserted clearly that the UK could stay in the single market, not have free movement and not have to pay. Lies. Lies can be challenged in Court and decisions that will change this country for ever should not and Connor be based on lies. Not only that, once the economic reality of leaving the single market is laid out in all its grim and costly glory - an awful lot of people are going to wonder if it really is worth it just to have a few less Spanish waiters and Polish builders. Have you sought legal opinion? I was just wondering on what legal basis the result of a referendum could possibly be challenged. Both sides made ridiculous claims. Do you really think that the public was unable to see through them? Leave claims... We send 350 million a day to the EU We can spend it on our NHS We can access the Single market because they need us more than we need them and so we won't need to accept free movement and we won't need to pay. Those are lies. Remain claims Britain faces an uncertain economic future out of the EU. European security is intertwined with The concept of the EU Britain cannot access the single market and have free movement of people. Britain needs access to the single market because almost half of our exports go there and risking that is foolhardy. We don't send 350 million a week to the EU Those are not lies. That said, the claims were in many cases twisted by the leave campaign to allege that European security meant that Remain were claiming WW3 would erupt if the UK left the EU." Why do you assume that we could not see through the exagerated claims made by both campaigns? I do keep up to date with the news but am not aware of any legal challenges to the validity of the referendum. I might be wrong? I really can't see any would have much of a hope. | |||
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"No 2nd referendum no matter how many toys the Remainers throw out of their pram. It done. Finished. End of. Don't count your chickens A referendum was marginally won on a campaign of lies not least of which was the assurance that the UK would have access to the single market and not accept free movement and not have to pay. When it is shown that this is not going to happen and Messrs Farage, Gove & Johnson cannot be held accountable there will quite rightly be a legal challenge to the referendum - it is called democracy. Toys / Pram / Feet / Stamping... What part of Mrs May (our soon to be Prime Minister) saying "Brexit means Brexit" are you having trouble understanding exactly? We heard the Labour Luvvies wringing their poor hands in Parliament earlier when there was an Urgent question about Article 5 saying there ought to be a Royal Commission, debates and delays and the response was pretty damn firm from the Government Minister. It is us the people that give power to Parliament by electing MPs. They asked us to give a decision on the EU. We gave that decision in a clear way both in turnout and majority. The MPs must now just crack on and get us out of the EU. If they do NOT and obstruct Mrs May she might well decide to call a General Election and God help those Luvvies who stood in her way... As I said don't count your chickens.... Shout and scream all you like about not getting your way but legal process has to be undertaken. The referendum vote was to leave the EU. It was not about leaving the single market and committing economic suicide. The Vote Leave asserted clearly that the UK could stay in the single market, not have free movement and not have to pay. Lies. Lies can be challenged in Court and decisions that will change this country for ever should not and Connor be based on lies. Not only that, once the economic reality of leaving the single market is laid out in all its grim and costly glory - an awful lot of people are going to wonder if it really is worth it just to have a few less Spanish waiters and Polish builders. Have you sought legal opinion? I was just wondering on what legal basis the result of a referendum could possibly be challenged. Both sides made ridiculous claims. Do you really think that the public was unable to see through them? many people suggest both sides lied, but no one has yet shown us one the stay side came up with whereas we can all see the Leave ones now... Want a big lie from Remain: "Each family will be £4,300 a year worse off" That leaflet WE taxpayers paid £9 Million for was pages of utter lies and deception. The fact WE paid for it was an utter deception as it happens. You Remainers submitted those lies to the court of public opinion and you were found wanting... Suck it up and move on .... it might not be precise, but ball park will be at least in that space. cant see how you don't see it? " The lie was in presenting this supposed but unproven loss of annual GDP as a families loss of income. Given the average wage is £44,000 and the average GDP per household is some £66,000 that was a 50% error. Aka a bloody lie numerically and an even bigger bloody lie in saying it was loss of income... | |||
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"No 2nd referendum no matter how many toys the Remainers throw out of their pram. It done. Finished. End of. Don't count your chickens A referendum was marginally won on a campaign of lies not least of which was the assurance that the UK would have access to the single market and not accept free movement and not have to pay. When it is shown that this is not going to happen and Messrs Farage, Gove & Johnson cannot be held accountable there will quite rightly be a legal challenge to the referendum - it is called democracy. Toys / Pram / Feet / Stamping... What part of Mrs May (our soon to be Prime Minister) saying "Brexit means Brexit" are you having trouble understanding exactly? We heard the Labour Luvvies wringing their poor hands in Parliament earlier when there was an Urgent question about Article 5 saying there ought to be a Royal Commission, debates and delays and the response was pretty damn firm from the Government Minister. It is us the people that give power to Parliament by electing MPs. They asked us to give a decision on the EU. We gave that decision in a clear way both in turnout and majority. The MPs must now just crack on and get us out of the EU. If they do NOT and obstruct Mrs May she might well decide to call a General Election and God help those Luvvies who stood in her way... As I said don't count your chickens.... Shout and scream all you like about not getting your way but legal process has to be undertaken. The referendum vote was to leave the EU. It was not about leaving the single market and committing economic suicide. The Vote Leave asserted clearly that the UK could stay in the single market, not have free movement and not have to pay. Lies. Lies can be challenged in Court and decisions that will change this country for ever should not and Connor be based on lies. Not only that, once the economic reality of leaving the single market is laid out in all its grim and costly glory - an awful lot of people are going to wonder if it really is worth it just to have a few less Spanish waiters and Polish builders. Have you sought legal opinion? I was just wondering on what legal basis the result of a referendum could possibly be challenged. Both sides made ridiculous claims. Do you really think that the public was unable to see through them? many people suggest both sides lied, but no one has yet shown us one the stay side came up with whereas we can all see the Leave ones now... Want a big lie from Remain: "Each family will be £4,300 a year worse off" That leaflet WE taxpayers paid £9 Million for was pages of utter lies and deception. The fact WE paid for it was an utter deception as it happens. You Remainers submitted those lies to the court of public opinion and you were found wanting... Suck it up and move on .... it might not be precise, but ball park will be at least in that space. cant see how you don't see it? Because it was a figure based on many spurious assumptions and forecast far into the future. Mr Osbourne rarely gets a forecast right for next year." & he normally underestimates the impact - so watch out!  | |||
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"No 2nd referendum no matter how many toys the Remainers throw out of their pram. It done. Finished. End of. Don't count your chickens A referendum was marginally won on a campaign of lies not least of which was the assurance that the UK would have access to the single market and not accept free movement and not have to pay. When it is shown that this is not going to happen and Messrs Farage, Gove & Johnson cannot be held accountable there will quite rightly be a legal challenge to the referendum - it is called democracy. Toys / Pram / Feet / Stamping... What part of Mrs May (our soon to be Prime Minister) saying "Brexit means Brexit" are you having trouble understanding exactly? We heard the Labour Luvvies wringing their poor hands in Parliament earlier when there was an Urgent question about Article 5 saying there ought to be a Royal Commission, debates and delays and the response was pretty damn firm from the Government Minister. It is us the people that give power to Parliament by electing MPs. They asked us to give a decision on the EU. We gave that decision in a clear way both in turnout and majority. The MPs must now just crack on and get us out of the EU. If they do NOT and obstruct Mrs May she might well decide to call a General Election and God help those Luvvies who stood in her way... As I said don't count your chickens.... Shout and scream all you like about not getting your way but legal process has to be undertaken. The referendum vote was to leave the EU. It was not about leaving the single market and committing economic suicide. The Vote Leave asserted clearly that the UK could stay in the single market, not have free movement and not have to pay. Lies. Lies can be challenged in Court and decisions that will change this country for ever should not and Connor be based on lies. Not only that, once the economic reality of leaving the single market is laid out in all its grim and costly glory - an awful lot of people are going to wonder if it really is worth it just to have a few less Spanish waiters and Polish builders. Have you sought legal opinion? I was just wondering on what legal basis the result of a referendum could possibly be challenged. Both sides made ridiculous claims. Do you really think that the public was unable to see through them? many people suggest both sides lied, but no one has yet shown us one the stay side came up with whereas we can all see the Leave ones now... Want a big lie from Remain: "Each family will be £4,300 a year worse off" That leaflet WE taxpayers paid £9 Million for was pages of utter lies and deception. The fact WE paid for it was an utter deception as it happens. You Remainers submitted those lies to the court of public opinion and you were found wanting... Suck it up and move on .... it might not be precise, but ball park will be at least in that space. cant see how you don't see it? The lie was in presenting this supposed but unproven loss of annual GDP as a families loss of income. Given the average wage is £44,000 and the average GDP per household is some £66,000 that was a 50% error. Aka a bloody lie numerically and an even bigger bloody lie in saying it was loss of income..." average UK income in 2015/16 was £27600, don't know where you are living... | |||
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" As I said don't count your chickens.... Shout and scream all you like about not getting your way but legal process has to be undertaken. The referendum vote was to leave the EU. It was not about leaving the single market and committing economic suicide. The Vote Leave asserted clearly that the UK could stay in the single market, not have free movement and not have to pay. Lies. Lies can be challenged in Court and decisions that will change this country for ever should not and Connor be based on lies. Not only that, once the economic reality of leaving the single market is laid out in all its grim and costly glory - an awful lot of people are going to wonder if it really is worth it just to have a few less Spanish waiters and Polish builders. And another conversation ends in utter nonsense and sarcasm about waiters. God save us.. Listen I worked with Vote leave from the start. We never EVER said we could leave the EU and stay in the Single Market... we said we could ACCESS that market. Just as every other country accesses it through trade. Being IN means all the crap that goes with it. Being out means trading with.... " ...a very poor set of WTO conditions until the people who are now very annoyed with us feel like offering us something slightly better, probably at the expense of accepting everything else people thought they were getting shot of. | |||
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" average UK income in 2015/16 was £27600, don't know where you are living.. " Ah yes sorry. I was quoting average household income which is £44,000. I should have lied and said £27,600 as that is a 72% lie but hey. And everyone missed the little figure in the corner. These were 'forecasts' were for 2030 not now. Source of my figure: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36073201 | |||
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"No 2nd referendum no matter how many toys the Remainers throw out of their pram. It done. Finished. End of. Don't count your chickens A referendum was marginally won on a campaign of lies not least of which was the assurance that the UK would have access to the single market and not accept free movement and not have to pay. When it is shown that this is not going to happen and Messrs Farage, Gove & Johnson cannot be held accountable there will quite rightly be a legal challenge to the referendum - it is called democracy. Toys / Pram / Feet / Stamping... What part of Mrs May (our soon to be Prime Minister) saying "Brexit means Brexit" are you having trouble understanding exactly? We heard the Labour Luvvies wringing their poor hands in Parliament earlier when there was an Urgent question about Article 5 saying there ought to be a Royal Commission, debates and delays and the response was pretty damn firm from the Government Minister. It is us the people that give power to Parliament by electing MPs. They asked us to give a decision on the EU. We gave that decision in a clear way both in turnout and majority. The MPs must now just crack on and get us out of the EU. If they do NOT and obstruct Mrs May she might well decide to call a General Election and God help those Luvvies who stood in her way... As I said don't count your chickens.... Shout and scream all you like about not getting your way but legal process has to be undertaken. The referendum vote was to leave the EU. It was not about leaving the single market and committing economic suicide. The Vote Leave asserted clearly that the UK could stay in the single market, not have free movement and not have to pay. Lies. Lies can be challenged in Court and decisions that will change this country for ever should not and Connor be based on lies. Not only that, once the economic reality of leaving the single market is laid out in all its grim and costly glory - an awful lot of people are going to wonder if it really is worth it just to have a few less Spanish waiters and Polish builders. Have you sought legal opinion? I was just wondering on what legal basis the result of a referendum could possibly be challenged. Both sides made ridiculous claims. Do you really think that the public was unable to see through them? many people suggest both sides lied, but no one has yet shown us one the stay side came up with whereas we can all see the Leave ones now... Want a big lie from Remain: "Each family will be £4,300 a year worse off" That leaflet WE taxpayers paid £9 Million for was pages of utter lies and deception. The fact WE paid for it was an utter deception as it happens. You Remainers submitted those lies to the court of public opinion and you were found wanting... Suck it up and move on ...." Let assume this was meant as an average and consider what would be required to prove or disprove this claim. The only way I can see of doing so is to set up two paralell universes were the only difference is that in one the UK remains and in the other it leaves. You would then need to be able to exchange information between said universes to compare information. Now unless someone is keeping very quiet about some game changing physics I suggest this will remain subject to speculative interpretation. | |||
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" ...a very poor set of WTO conditions until the people who are now very annoyed with us feel like offering us something slightly better, probably at the expense of accepting everything else people thought they were getting shot of. " Care to describe WTO 'conditions' for us? You may be in difficulty as they don't actually lay down tariffs it is the WTO members that do. | |||
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"No election, no referendum Totally agree There are others who disagree I agree there are others who disagree
There wont be another referendum as there was a result first time.
There wont be a general election as it is deemed you vote for a party not an individual. Its done especially for scenarios like this to prevent instability and uncertainty.
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" ...a very poor set of WTO conditions until the people who are now very annoyed with us feel like offering us something slightly better, probably at the expense of accepting everything else people thought they were getting shot of. Care to describe WTO 'conditions' for us? You may be in difficulty as they don't actually lay down tariffs it is the WTO members that do." To an extent you are correct in that almost all contries end up with some extent of individually negociated trade system but GATT does give the default frameworks to build on. I take it then that you understand all 550 pages of GATT comprehensively and there are currently around 30000 pages of inter-country trade schedules. | |||
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" ...a very poor set of WTO conditions until the people who are now very annoyed with us feel like offering us something slightly better, probably at the expense of accepting everything else people thought they were getting shot of. Care to describe WTO 'conditions' for us? You may be in difficulty as they don't actually lay down tariffs it is the WTO members that do. To an extent you are correct in that almost all contries end up with some extent of individually negociated trade system but GATT does give the default frameworks to build on. I take it then that you understand all 550 pages of GATT comprehensively and there are currently around 30000 pages of inter-country trade schedules. " | |||
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"i couldnt give a flying rats arse.. Interesting point: 1,269,501 - margin by which the UK voted to leave EU 12,923,225 - eligible voters in UK who did not vote in the referendum. it wont and hasnt affected me or my breathing capacity in the slightest and never will. i shall be killed by death..not the rules that constantly change in the world..and guess what..no one will give a shit..as is natural and just..so while im alive i shall live and when i am dead, life will carry on..so whos wasting time on this pointless crap? not me...
...is exactly my point.
The number of people who cared more about the voted are outnumbered by a margin of 10 to 1 who don;t give a shit.
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"But just because it's topical, I don;t see why it should be banished as 'political'. The forum/Lounge is, in my mind, a bit like a pub - all kindsa topics. And this is just another. "I agree with you on this. But not much else | |||
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"What relevance does the number of people who failed to vote have ?. If they cannit be bothered to vote , who cares about them. " Each to their own I say but, if more people voted we might get better results | |||
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" ...a very poor set of WTO conditions until the people who are now very annoyed with us feel like offering us something slightly better, probably at the expense of accepting everything else people thought they were getting shot of. Care to describe WTO 'conditions' for us? You may be in difficulty as they don't actually lay down tariffs it is the WTO members that do. To an extent you are correct in that almost all contries end up with some extent of individually negociated trade system but GATT does give the default frameworks to build on. I take it then that you understand all 550 pages of GATT comprehensively and there are currently around 30000 pages of inter-country trade schedules. " Do I detect a whiff of sarcasm ? No of course I do not know every paragraph of 30,000 pages and I doubt you do either. So given as you say we already have bespoke agreements in place with whatever tariffs are in place why would anyone wish to increase them? And given we have no Tariffs (generally speaking) with the EU that is the key area. So I ask again what 'WTO Rules' do you think will apply to the UK and therefore also to the EU if agreement is not reached in 2 years or we just tell then 'bye bye'? The one we have with the USA? And given the EU Trade Commissioner has already said we must 'leave then deal' there will be a period between the current arrangements and whatever is agreed. Are you really suggesting the EU will screw up a £77 Billion trade surplus with the UK in goods? (A nett £61 Bn as Services make a surplus for the UK). Basically no one actually knows a damn thing because its never been done before so whatever you suggest will happen is just an opinion or a guess. | |||
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"What relevance does the number of people who failed to vote have ?. If they cannit be bothered to vote , who cares about them. Each to their own I say but, if more people voted we might get better results "Does that include up and coming elections because although I have voted on each, today I cannot find one party worth voting for | |||
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" ...a very poor set of WTO conditions until the people who are now very annoyed with us feel like offering us something slightly better, probably at the expense of accepting everything else people thought they were getting shot of. Care to describe WTO 'conditions' for us? You may be in difficulty as they don't actually lay down tariffs it is the WTO members that do. To an extent you are correct in that almost all contries end up with some extent of individually negociated trade system but GATT does give the default frameworks to build on. I take it then that you understand all 550 pages of GATT comprehensively and there are currently around 30000 pages of inter-country trade schedules. Do I detect a whiff of sarcasm ? No of course I do not know every paragraph of 30,000 pages and I doubt you do either. So given as you say we already have bespoke agreements in place with whatever tariffs are in place why would anyone wish to increase them? And given we have no Tariffs (generally speaking) with the EU that is the key area. So I ask again what 'WTO Rules' do you think will apply to the UK and therefore also to the EU if agreement is not reached in 2 years or we just tell then 'bye bye'? The one we have with the USA? And given the EU Trade Commissioner has already said we must 'leave then deal' there will be a period between the current arrangements and whatever is agreed. Are you really suggesting the EU will screw up a £77 Billion trade surplus with the UK in goods? (A nett £61 Bn as Services make a surplus for the UK). Basically no one actually knows a damn thing because its never been done before so whatever you suggest will happen is just an opinion or a guess." Similarly for assertion that we will get easy trade. Specifically regarding the EU, it has 94 listings in the WTO schedules it would be these we would be expected to comply with when trading with them as an external entity this would start with EC12 and continue through the rest. Once you sign up to GATT you are apparently bound to offer your current terms or better but your only going to offer better in exchange for something from the other party and after detailed, usually protracted discussions. For non EU countries which are WTO acended then they will have their own equivalent listings. | |||
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