FabSwingers.com forum: The world a better place without S HUSSEIN

By *lacksausage OP Man
over a year ago

Birmingham Airport

Hmm, if we hadn't killed him, he would have resisted the Arab Spring with the WMD that he didn't have.

Wow!

At the time, I thought I was doing what was right.

Didn't Charles Taylor say that? Iddi Ameen and Co all said that.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The answer is sadly that parts of Iraq are not a better place without him, insane as that sounds. Anarchy is about the only thing worse than Dictatorship.

The real question is, should it be a better a place without him and the answer is a resounding yes.

Therefore, those who failed / sabotaged the reconstruction of Iraq should be held to account.

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By *olgateMan
over a year ago

on the road to nowhere in particular

Blame Bliar for bringing us into the war, blame Rumsfeld for pillaging the country afterwards for his friends in Haliburton

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Hmm, if we hadn't killed him, he would have resisted the Arab Spring with the WMD that he didn't have.

Wow!

At the time, I thought I was doing what was right.

Didn't Charles Taylor say that? Iddi Ameen and Co all said that."

Indeed the world is a better place . Johnson is no longer mayor, Brexit won, Corbyn will never be pm, Syria is great, Turkey is growing stronger... what more could you ask for?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The answer is sadly that parts of Iraq are not a better place without him, insane as that sounds. Anarchy is about the only thing worse than Dictatorship.

The real question is, should it be a better a place without him and the answer is a resounding yes.

Therefore, those who failed / sabotaged the reconstruction of Iraq should be held to account. "

Are u honestly saying post invasion Iraq is better than pre invasion Iraq?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The answer is sadly that parts of Iraq are not a better place without him, insane as that sounds. Anarchy is about the only thing worse than Dictatorship.

The real question is, should it be a better a place without him and the answer is a resounding yes.

Therefore, those who failed / sabotaged the reconstruction of Iraq should be held to account.

Are u honestly saying post invasion Iraq is better than pre invasion Iraq?"

Try reading the post again...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Hmm, if we hadn't killed him, he would have resisted the Arab Spring with the WMD that he didn't have.

Wow!

At the time, I thought I was doing what was right.

Didn't Charles Taylor say that? Iddi Ameen and Co all said that.

Indeed the world is a better place . Johnson is no longer mayor, Brexit won, Corbyn will never be pm, Syria is great, Turkey is growing stronger... what more could you ask for?"
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The Saudi dictatorship to fail!.

They've started to struggle to hold things together financially... The conundrum is Saudi promote all the nasty shit that goes on but then they also control the nasty people that will be free to run amok!.

As for Saddam and Gaddafi of course the world's a better place without them, there's no doubt to that, Iran would be far better if it lost its repressive head of the church, north Korea... Lots of places could be better?.

It's about replacing the existing power base, Christ we've seen what it's got like here, with just a democratic vote and a resigning prime minister, imagine if we'd lost the heads of the army, all the civil servants, all the government and then somebody turned the water, food, power and gas off!!!!.

The world is only as civilised as is dictated by infrastructure

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By *illwill69uMan
over a year ago

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Unfortunately no, the world was a lot safer a place when we had hard men in total charge in Iraq, Syria, Egypt, Libya, Tunisia, Algeria and Morocco. They removed radical clerics, kept their followers in order and acted as a buffer between Europe and those who are now flooding north.

Shame is our leaders are so invested in the policy of regime change that they will not accept that our present situation is the direct result of their policies.

I guess that career politicians treat international policy in the same cavalier way they treat economics and the population in general.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Unfortunately no, the world was a lot safer a place when we had hard men in total charge in Iraq, Syria, Egypt, Libya, Tunisia, Algeria and Morocco. They removed radical clerics, kept their followers in order and acted as a buffer between Europe and those who are now flooding north.

Shame is our leaders are so invested in the policy of regime change that they will not accept that our present situation is the direct result of their policies.

I guess that career politicians treat international policy in the same cavalier way they treat economics and the population in general."

The only problem is then you have all of the human rights lot saying that People are being killed by the regimes and that we have to do something about it.

We are much better off keeping our noses out of other countries business and politics

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I've said it before and will say it again. Sometimes better the despot dictator you know than the despot dictator you don't.

As harsh and horrible as it seems these regions do not live by the same morals as us so can't be judged the same way. Was Saddam a vile horrible man? Yes. Is what replaced him worse? Probably yes.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I've said it before and will say it again. Sometimes better the despot dictator you know than the despot dictator you don't.

As harsh and horrible as it seems these regions do not live by the same morals as us so can't be judged the same way. Was Saddam a vile horrible man? Yes. Is what replaced him worse? Probably yes."

But it didn't have to be. The reconstruction clusterfuck is completely divorced from the invasion.

You could have an illegal invasion and a good reconstruction. But we didn't and the question is why and who is paying the price (other than the dead)

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The OP question asks about the historical facts. And the answer is no Iraq is by no means a better place at all. 250 people killed in one afternoon?

It is 'off Thread' but regime change is illegal under UN Law. Its that simple. Just because one country dislikes another it has no right to invade sovereign territory let alone murder the its citizens and / or Leaders. Sadly for the world the USA had suffered 9/11 and failed to ask itself 'why?' and therefore cam up with a solution looking for a problem. Bush wanted revenge. It didn't matter who against just anybody with a darker skin and preferably Muslim. Saudis? No they can fight. "OK lets make it Iraq and then we can get the oil as well." And even more sadly for us we had Blair as PM. The smiling liar himself.

Saddam was no threat to anybody except the Iraqis. And it was up to THEM to get rid of him not anyone else. Mind people forget that after Gulf war One Bush Snr encouraged the Iraqi Marsh Arabs to rise up. So they did on promises of US help. Except Bush lied to them and they were slaughtered.

Iraq and 179 British war graves stand as testaments to the duplicity and stupidity of the Bush family and the ego of one Tony Blair.

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By *isdirtygirlCouple
over a year ago

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Shame is our leaders are so invested in the policy of regime change that they will not accept that our present situation is the direct result of their policies.

I guess that career politicians treat international policy in the same cavalier way they treat economics and the population in general."

Pretty much my opinion. The fuckwits that rejoiced at the deposing of Sadam and the Arab Spring were just serenading the advance of radical terrorism closer and closer to our own borders. We should have kept Sadam sweet and let him sort out any radical that popped up above the parapet. At the end of the day my first concern is for my people and their safety and well being.

Him

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The world a better place without S HUSSEIN

Better or Cleaner???

He did set alight over 700 oil wells which took a long time to extinguish, would be interesting to find out how much it effected global warming

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

That is right, at least they helped to remove saddam, notorious for his severe violations of human rights.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The world a better place without S HUSSEIN

Better or Cleaner???

He did set alight over 700 oil wells which took a long time to extinguish, would be interesting to find out how much it effected global warming"

Isis would never do that

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I've said it before and will say it again. Sometimes better the despot dictator you know than the despot dictator you don't.

As harsh and horrible as it seems these regions do not live by the same morals as us so can't be judged the same way. Was Saddam a vile horrible man? Yes. Is what replaced him worse? Probably yes.

But it didn't have to be. The reconstruction clusterfuck is completely divorced from the invasion.

You could have an illegal invasion and a good reconstruction. But we didn't and the question is why and who is paying the price (other than the dead)"

So, may I ask who seems to have sabotaged the grand plan to rebuild Iraq? I honestly do not know so genuine question.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I've said it before and will say it again. Sometimes better the despot dictator you know than the despot dictator you don't.

As harsh and horrible as it seems these regions do not live by the same morals as us so can't be judged the same way. Was Saddam a vile horrible man? Yes. Is what replaced him worse? Probably yes.

But it didn't have to be. The reconstruction clusterfuck is completely divorced from the invasion.

You could have an illegal invasion and a good reconstruction. But we didn't and the question is why and who is paying the price (other than the dead)

So, may I ask who seems to have sabotaged the grand plan to rebuild Iraq? I honestly do not know so genuine question."

Right when you get rid of a dictator, you are going to find that most the elites of that country had co-operated with that dictatorship. Because if they didn't, they wouldn't be elites.

So the question is, what do you do with them?

The correct answer is what happened in Rwanda and the wrong answer is that you take everything away from them and hang them out to dry. The latter is easier to sell to the voting public at home but in reality it's a recipe for terrorism.

Then add into the mix the fact that Iraq had the world's 4th largest army at the time and as part of the aforementioned policy they all got made redundant too.

Now this might sound complicated. But it isn't. The military advice on the ground was 'don't disband the army'. Politicians ignored that advice.

Now don't worry because obviously when you've just made over a million trained killers redundant, you're going to create jobs for them... right? You wouldn't say, import a load of American contractors and pay them $2,000 a day when you could get unemployed Iraqis to do the same job for $30 a day. That would just be silly... hang on

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By *lacksausage OP Man
over a year ago

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OK, well explained but that is simply how it works. But who did the sabotage? Is it the spineless military bosses who have all of a sudden found their voices?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"OK, well explained but that is simply how it works. But who did the sabotage? Is it the spineless military bosses who have all of a sudden found their voices?"

No the military advised the opposite. Paul Bremer was head if the Coalition Provisional Authority (CPA) which was effectively the government of Iraq after the invasion. He implemented debaathification. If we did string him up he'd probably blame Donald Rumsfeld who in turn would probably blame George W so take your pick...

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over a year ago

"OK, well explained but that is simply how it works. But who did the sabotage? Is it the spineless military bosses who have all of a sudden found their voices?

Then George Bush Senior would actually say it was Rumsfeld who was the real problem and his son was just too d*unk to realise what was going on...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

and now for something totally different;

Hundreds of UK troops are to be sent to Poland and Estonia as part of the Nato response to concerns over Russia.

The UK leadership of Nato's Very High Readiness Joint Task Force will see 3,000 troops based in the UK and Germany join a 5,000-strong unit ready to move with as little as five days' notice.

It will involve the 20th Armoured Infantry Brigade, an armoured infantry battle group from the 1st Battalion The Princess of Wales's Royal Regiment and a light infantry battle group from the 1st Battalion Grenadier Guards.

The prime minister is also to announce that Britain is to extend the deployment of four RAF Typhoon fighters with the Baltic Air Policing Mission

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