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"I'm afraid folks, the time has come to move on. We are in danger of not moving forward from this referendum. Those (like me) that voted remain have to accept it. However flawed we feel it is, we are leaving the EU. Not everyone who voted leave is a xenophobic, racist little englander. And the leave camp need to accept that not everyone thinks they are right and need to stop gloating. Not everyone who voted remain is a lefty whinger. If we keep fighting amongst ourselves the country is going to fall into an abyss where the only winners will be the unpleasant idiots that have suddenly found succour in this result. " Well said  | |||
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"I'm afraid folks, the time has come to move on. We are in danger of not moving forward from this referendum. Those (like me) that voted remain have to accept it. However flawed we feel it is, we are leaving the EU. Not everyone who voted leave is a xenophobic, racist little englander. And the leave camp need to accept that not everyone thinks they are right and need to stop gloating. Not everyone who voted remain is a lefty whinger. If we keep fighting amongst ourselves the country is going to fall into an abyss where the only winners will be the unpleasant idiots that have suddenly found succour in this result. " Well said although I've never gloated and do not recall any threads on here started by the leave side gloating (but stand corrected if wrong). Most threads have been from remain whinging and the sooner they accept it the sooner we can move forward together. Again, I agree with your sentiments | |||
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"But I don't really see any of the potential Tory leaders as being able to provide this unity. Gove is hugely devisive based on his track record at education, Theresa May may not be aligned with remain enough to carry the leave part of her party.. the others - not sure many people even know who they are" May is incompetent to the core, Gove is a snake who just stabbed his friend in the chest, I like Fox but most people can't see past a teeny weeny scandal. | |||
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"I'm afraid folks, the time has come to move on. We are in danger of not moving forward from this referendum. Those (like me) that voted remain have to accept it. However flawed we feel it is, we are leaving the EU. Not everyone who voted leave is a xenophobic, racist little englander. And the leave camp need to accept that not everyone thinks they are right and need to stop gloating. Not everyone who voted remain is a lefty whinger. If we keep fighting amongst ourselves the country is going to fall into an abyss where the only winners will be the unpleasant idiots that have suddenly found succour in this result. " | |||
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"But I don't really see any of the potential Tory leaders as being able to provide this unity. Gove is hugely devisive based on his track record at education, Theresa May may not be aligned with remain enough to carry the leave part of her party.. the others - not sure many people even know who they are May is incompetent to the core, Gove is a snake who just stabbed his friend in the chest, I like Fox but most people can't see past a teeny weeny scandal. " I also like Fox but he can never be PM as that teeny weeny scandal was a threat to the security of the UK | |||
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"But I don't really see any of the potential Tory leaders as being able to provide this unity. Gove is hugely devisive based on his track record at education, Theresa May may not be aligned with remain enough to carry the leave part of her party.. the others - not sure many people even know who they are May is incompetent to the core, Gove is a snake who just stabbed his friend in the chest, I like Fox but most people can't see past a teeny weeny scandal. I also like Fox but he can never be PM as that teeny weeny scandal was a threat to the security of the UK" No it wasn't. You don't need security clearance to tag along to meetings unless secure information is being transmitted. Security clearance is about transfer of information, not bumming people in hotel rooms | |||
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"But I don't really see any of the potential Tory leaders as being able to provide this unity. Gove is hugely devisive based on his track record at education, Theresa May may not be aligned with remain enough to carry the leave part of her party.. the others - not sure many people even know who they are May is incompetent to the core, Gove is a snake who just stabbed his friend in the chest, I like Fox but most people can't see past a teeny weeny scandal. I also like Fox but he can never be PM as that teeny weeny scandal was a threat to the security of the UK No it wasn't. You don't need security clearance to tag along to meetings unless secure information is being transmitted. Security clearance is about transfer of information, not bumming people in hotel rooms " Let’s remind ourselves what Fox did. He allowed his close friend and best man, Adam Werrity, to take up an unofficial and undeclared role in which he attended meetings at the Ministry of Defence without first obtaining security clearance. Werrity had access to Fox’s diary, printed business cards announcing himself as his advisor, and even joined him at meetings with foreign dignitaries. An investigation by then cabinet secretary Sir Gus O'Donnell found that Fox had shown a lack of judgement by blurring the lines between his official role and his personal friendships. His report concluded: “The disclosure outside the MoD of details about future visits overseas posed a degree of security risk not only to Dr Fox, but also to the accompanying official party.” He showed a worrying lack of judgement, and an even more concerning lack of remorse. He was right to resign his office; he is wrong to think he is owed a path back and most certainly, he is not PM material. Does anyone actually, truthfully think he will ever be PM after what he done? | |||
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"But I don't really see any of the potential Tory leaders as being able to provide this unity. Gove is hugely devisive based on his track record at education, Theresa May may not be aligned with remain enough to carry the leave part of her party.. the others - not sure many people even know who they are May is incompetent to the core, Gove is a snake who just stabbed his friend in the chest, I like Fox but most people can't see past a teeny weeny scandal. I also like Fox but he can never be PM as that teeny weeny scandal was a threat to the security of the UK No it wasn't. You don't need security clearance to tag along to meetings unless secure information is being transmitted. Security clearance is about transfer of information, not bumming people in hotel rooms Let’s remind ourselves what Fox did. He allowed his close friend and best man, Adam Werrity, to take up an unofficial and undeclared role in which he attended meetings at the Ministry of Defence without first obtaining security clearance. Werrity had access to Fox’s diary, printed business cards announcing himself as his advisor, and even joined him at meetings with foreign dignitaries. An investigation by then cabinet secretary Sir Gus O'Donnell found that Fox had shown a lack of judgement by blurring the lines between his official role and his personal friendships. His report concluded: “The disclosure outside the MoD of details about future visits overseas posed a degree of security risk not only to Dr Fox, but also to the accompanying official party.” He showed a worrying lack of judgement, and an even more concerning lack of remorse. He was right to resign his office; he is wrong to think he is owed a path back and most certainly, he is not PM material. Does anyone actually, truthfully think he will ever be PM after what he done?" In these times anything is possible..if you're saying he shouldn't be then sorry but I'm going to have to agree with you .. | |||
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"But I don't really see any of the potential Tory leaders as being able to provide this unity. Gove is hugely devisive based on his track record at education, Theresa May may not be aligned with remain enough to carry the leave part of her party.. the others - not sure many people even know who they are May is incompetent to the core, Gove is a snake who just stabbed his friend in the chest, I like Fox but most people can't see past a teeny weeny scandal. I also like Fox but he can never be PM as that teeny weeny scandal was a threat to the security of the UK No it wasn't. You don't need security clearance to tag along to meetings unless secure information is being transmitted. Security clearance is about transfer of information, not bumming people in hotel rooms Let’s remind ourselves what Fox did. He allowed his close friend and best man, Adam Werrity, to take up an unofficial and undeclared role in which he attended meetings at the Ministry of Defence without first obtaining security clearance. Werrity had access to Fox’s diary, printed business cards announcing himself as his advisor, and even joined him at meetings with foreign dignitaries. An investigation by then cabinet secretary Sir Gus O'Donnell found that Fox had shown a lack of judgement by blurring the lines between his official role and his personal friendships. His report concluded: “The disclosure outside the MoD of details about future visits overseas posed a degree of security risk not only to Dr Fox, but also to the accompanying official party.” He showed a worrying lack of judgement, and an even more concerning lack of remorse. He was right to resign his office; he is wrong to think he is owed a path back and most certainly, he is not PM material. Does anyone actually, truthfully think he will ever be PM after what he done?" You don't need security clearance just to get on site with the MOD, security clearance is about the information you receive. A diary is not secret information! It was bad judgement but there's no security breach. | |||
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"But I don't really see any of the potential Tory leaders as being able to provide this unity. Gove is hugely devisive based on his track record at education, Theresa May may not be aligned with remain enough to carry the leave part of her party.. the others - not sure many people even know who they are May is incompetent to the core, Gove is a snake who just stabbed his friend in the chest, I like Fox but most people can't see past a teeny weeny scandal. I also like Fox but he can never be PM as that teeny weeny scandal was a threat to the security of the UK No it wasn't. You don't need security clearance to tag along to meetings unless secure information is being transmitted. Security clearance is about transfer of information, not bumming people in hotel rooms Let’s remind ourselves what Fox did. He allowed his close friend and best man, Adam Werrity, to take up an unofficial and undeclared role in which he attended meetings at the Ministry of Defence without first obtaining security clearance. Werrity had access to Fox’s diary, printed business cards announcing himself as his advisor, and even joined him at meetings with foreign dignitaries. An investigation by then cabinet secretary Sir Gus O'Donnell found that Fox had shown a lack of judgement by blurring the lines between his official role and his personal friendships. His report concluded: “The disclosure outside the MoD of details about future visits overseas posed a degree of security risk not only to Dr Fox, but also to the accompanying official party.” He showed a worrying lack of judgement, and an even more concerning lack of remorse. He was right to resign his office; he is wrong to think he is owed a path back and most certainly, he is not PM material. Does anyone actually, truthfully think he will ever be PM after what he done? You don't need security clearance just to get on site with the MOD, security clearance is about the information you receive. A diary is not secret information! It was bad judgement but there's no security breach. " ofcourse we all have opinions, you are entitled to yours, but I will tell you now in advance Both Gove and Fox will Never see a PM position. | |||
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"But I don't really see any of the potential Tory leaders as being able to provide this unity. Gove is hugely devisive based on his track record at education, Theresa May may not be aligned with remain enough to carry the leave part of her party.. the others - not sure many people even know who they are May is incompetent to the core, Gove is a snake who just stabbed his friend in the chest, I like Fox but most people can't see past a teeny weeny scandal. I also like Fox but he can never be PM as that teeny weeny scandal was a threat to the security of the UK No it wasn't. You don't need security clearance to tag along to meetings unless secure information is being transmitted. Security clearance is about transfer of information, not bumming people in hotel rooms Let’s remind ourselves what Fox did. He allowed his close friend and best man, Adam Werrity, to take up an unofficial and undeclared role in which he attended meetings at the Ministry of Defence without first obtaining security clearance. Werrity had access to Fox’s diary, printed business cards announcing himself as his advisor, and even joined him at meetings with foreign dignitaries. An investigation by then cabinet secretary Sir Gus O'Donnell found that Fox had shown a lack of judgement by blurring the lines between his official role and his personal friendships. His report concluded: “The disclosure outside the MoD of details about future visits overseas posed a degree of security risk not only to Dr Fox, but also to the accompanying official party.” He showed a worrying lack of judgement, and an even more concerning lack of remorse. He was right to resign his office; he is wrong to think he is owed a path back and most certainly, he is not PM material. Does anyone actually, truthfully think he will ever be PM after what he done? You don't need security clearance just to get on site with the MOD, security clearance is about the information you receive. A diary is not secret information! It was bad judgement but there's no security breach. ofcourse we all have opinions, you are entitled to yours, but I will tell you now in advance Both Gove and Fox will Never see a PM position." Well heaven help us if we have to put up with May and she runs the country like she did the Home Office | |||
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"But I don't really see any of the potential Tory leaders as being able to provide this unity. Gove is hugely devisive based on his track record at education, Theresa May may not be aligned with remain enough to carry the leave part of her party.. the others - not sure many people even know who they are May is incompetent to the core, Gove is a snake who just stabbed his friend in the chest, I like Fox but most people can't see past a teeny weeny scandal. I also like Fox but he can never be PM as that teeny weeny scandal was a threat to the security of the UK No it wasn't. You don't need security clearance to tag along to meetings unless secure information is being transmitted. Security clearance is about transfer of information, not bumming people in hotel rooms Let’s remind ourselves what Fox did. He allowed his close friend and best man, Adam Werrity, to take up an unofficial and undeclared role in which he attended meetings at the Ministry of Defence without first obtaining security clearance. Werrity had access to Fox’s diary, printed business cards announcing himself as his advisor, and even joined him at meetings with foreign dignitaries. An investigation by then cabinet secretary Sir Gus O'Donnell found that Fox had shown a lack of judgement by blurring the lines between his official role and his personal friendships. His report concluded: “The disclosure outside the MoD of details about future visits overseas posed a degree of security risk not only to Dr Fox, but also to the accompanying official party.” He showed a worrying lack of judgement, and an even more concerning lack of remorse. He was right to resign his office; he is wrong to think he is owed a path back and most certainly, he is not PM material. Does anyone actually, truthfully think he will ever be PM after what he done? You don't need security clearance just to get on site with the MOD, security clearance is about the information you receive. A diary is not secret information! It was bad judgement but there's no security breach. ofcourse we all have opinions, you are entitled to yours, but I will tell you now in advance Both Gove and Fox will Never see a PM position. Well heaven help us if we have to put up with May and she runs the country like she did the Home Office " I agree but she is up front, I am backing the other lady in the fight 
possibly backers of Gove and Fox will fall back on Andréa Leadsom once gove & fox fall but I still suspect May will get in unfortunately, hope im wrong. | |||
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"But I don't really see any of the potential Tory leaders as being able to provide this unity. Gove is hugely devisive based on his track record at education, Theresa May may not be aligned with remain enough to carry the leave part of her party.. the others - not sure many people even know who they are May is incompetent to the core, Gove is a snake who just stabbed his friend in the chest, I like Fox but most people can't see past a teeny weeny scandal. " Trouble with the doc is he has that air of failure about him combined with the lack of self awareness to stand for a second time | |||
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"If we keep fighting amongst ourselves the country is going to fall into an abyss where the only winners will be the unpleasant idiots that have suddenly found succour in this result. " tell it to the politicos ..... right wing sleeper cells in the labour party are botching up a coup and the right wing extremists in the torys are re-enacting the final scene from Resevoir Pigs with knives instead of guns ... some fucking example from the so-called leaders  | |||
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"I'm afraid folks, the time has come to move on. We are in danger of not moving forward from this referendum. Those (like me) that voted remain have to accept it. However flawed we feel it is, we are leaving the EU. Not everyone who voted leave is a xenophobic, racist little englander. And the leave camp need to accept that not everyone thinks they are right and need to stop gloating. Not everyone who voted remain is a lefty whinger. If we keep fighting amongst ourselves the country is going to fall into an abyss where the only winners will be the unpleasant idiots that have suddenly found succour in this result. " Hear, hear! Let's plot a way out of this mess | |||
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"I'm afraid folks, the time has come to move on. We are in danger of not moving forward from this referendum. Those (like me) that voted remain have to accept it. However flawed we feel it is, we are leaving the EU. Not everyone who voted leave is a xenophobic, racist little englander. And the leave camp need to accept that not everyone thinks they are right and need to stop gloating. Not everyone who voted remain is a lefty whinger. If we keep fighting amongst ourselves the country is going to fall into an abyss where the only winners will be the unpleasant idiots that have suddenly found succour in this result. " | |||
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