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"The working class keep getting a mention but who/what are they, I run my own business and "work" twice the hours that many who claim to be "working class". Doesnt every one who gets paid to do something "work"?Perhaps its time we used abetter description " I am with you on that. It is a phrase used far too much and with too many implications. | |||
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"Who defines who is in what class? Seems to about control and division.." Woking Class = manual labour jobs Middle Class = knowledge workers Upper Class = don't work for a living, they live off the family silver or do jobs for fun like drive tanks in the army People confuse income with class and people try to lump the dregs of society into working class. Dregs are actually an 'under class' or 'untermensch' to give them the proper name. The class includes chavs, junkies and the generally feckless. These people are not working class because they don't work. | |||
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"Who defines who is in what class? Seems to about control and division.. Woking Class = manual labour jobs Middle Class = knowledge workers Upper Class = don't work for a living, they live off the family silver or do jobs for fun like drive tanks in the army People confuse income with class and people try to lump the dregs of society into working class. Dregs are actually an 'under class' or 'untermensch' to give them the proper name. The class includes chavs, junkies and the generally feckless. These people are not working class because they don't work. " I get the different types of 'class'. It's who defines and in fact who originally came up with the idea. Wasn't those at the 'bottom' I would wager.. Don't agree with your dregs comment but that's your choice.. | |||
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"Who defines who is in what class? Seems to about control and division.. Woking Class = manual labour jobs Middle Class = knowledge workers Upper Class = don't work for a living, they live off the family silver or do jobs for fun like drive tanks in the army People confuse income with class and people try to lump the dregs of society into working class. Dregs are actually an 'under class' or 'untermensch' to give them the proper name. The class includes chavs, junkies and the generally feckless. These people are not working class because they don't work. I get the different types of 'class'. It's who defines and in fact who originally came up with the idea. Wasn't those at the 'bottom' I would wager.. Don't agree with your dregs comment but that's your choice.." Are you asking who came up with class as a concept or the particular British hierarchy? | |||
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"Who defines who is in what class? Seems to about control and division.. Woking Class = manual labour jobs Middle Class = knowledge workers Upper Class = don't work for a living, they live off the family silver or do jobs for fun like drive tanks in the army People confuse income with class and people try to lump the dregs of society into working class. Dregs are actually an 'under class' or 'untermensch' to give them the proper name. The class includes chavs, junkies and the generally feckless. These people are not working class because they don't work. " That is open to debate. A plumber or an electrician, for instance, does a manual job yet are often seen as professionals. A tennis player does a manual job ... A footballer... | |||
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"Who defines who is in what class? Seems to about control and division.. Woking Class = manual labour jobs Middle Class = knowledge workers Upper Class = don't work for a living, they live off the family silver or do jobs for fun like drive tanks in the army People confuse income with class and people try to lump the dregs of society into working class. Dregs are actually an 'under class' or 'untermensch' to give them the proper name. The class includes chavs, junkies and the generally feckless. These people are not working class because they don't work. That is open to debate. A plumber or an electrician, for instance, does a manual job yet are often seen as professionals. A tennis player does a manual job ... A footballer... " Most footballers are overwhelmingly working class. Don't confuse income with class. Whatch Titanic if you are confused. Being working class is not a bad thing!!! It's your roots, it's just part of how you came up in the world like being a "northern monkey" or a "southern fairy". | |||
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"Who defines who is in what class? Seems to about control and division.. Woking Class = manual labour jobs Middle Class = knowledge workers Upper Class = don't work for a living, they live off the family silver or do jobs for fun like drive tanks in the army People confuse income with class and people try to lump the dregs of society into working class. Dregs are actually an 'under class' or 'untermensch' to give them the proper name. The class includes chavs, junkies and the generally feckless. These people are not working class because they don't work. I get the different types of 'class'. It's who defines and in fact who originally came up with the idea. Wasn't those at the 'bottom' I would wager.. Don't agree with your dregs comment but that's your choice.. Are you asking who came up with class as a concept or the particular British hierarchy? " yes my suspicion being that it was invented to offer a betterment, aspirations etc.. | |||
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"Who defines who is in what class? Seems to about control and division.. Woking Class = manual labour jobs Middle Class = knowledge workers Upper Class = don't work for a living, they live off the family silver or do jobs for fun like drive tanks in the army People confuse income with class and people try to lump the dregs of society into working class. Dregs are actually an 'under class' or 'untermensch' to give them the proper name. The class includes chavs, junkies and the generally feckless. These people are not working class because they don't work. That is open to debate. A plumber or an electrician, for instance, does a manual job yet are often seen as professionals. A tennis player does a manual job ... A footballer... Most footballers are overwhelmingly working class. Don't confuse income with class. Whatch Titanic if you are confused. Being working class is not a bad thing!!! It's your roots, it's just part of how you came up in the world like being a "northern monkey" or a "southern fairy"." Well, the dictionay definition majors on income and manual jobs, not social class. Hence my point that other connotations are often attached to the phrase. | |||
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"Who defines who is in what class? Seems to about control and division.. Woking Class = manual labour jobs Middle Class = knowledge workers Upper Class = don't work for a living, they live off the family silver or do jobs for fun like drive tanks in the army People confuse income with class and people try to lump the dregs of society into working class. Dregs are actually an 'under class' or 'untermensch' to give them the proper name. The class includes chavs, junkies and the generally feckless. These people are not working class because they don't work. That is open to debate. A plumber or an electrician, for instance, does a manual job yet are often seen as professionals. A tennis player does a manual job ... A footballer... Most footballers are overwhelmingly working class. Don't confuse income with class. Whatch Titanic if you are confused. Being working class is not a bad thing!!! It's your roots, it's just part of how you came up in the world like being a "northern monkey" or a "southern fairy". Well, the dictionay definition majors on income and manual jobs, not social class. Hence my point that other connotations are often attached to the phrase." The dictionary constantly widens it's definitions to the point they cease to have unique meaning and hence we constantly create new words. If class and income are the same then we wouldn't need two words for it. I assure you that Wayne Rooney walks into a country club, whilst his money gets him through the door, his class keeps him out of gentleman's conversations. | |||
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"Who defines who is in what class? Seems to about control and division.. Woking Class = manual labour jobs Middle Class = knowledge workers Upper Class = don't work for a living, they live off the family silver or do jobs for fun like drive tanks in the army People confuse income with class and people try to lump the dregs of society into working class. Dregs are actually an 'under class' or 'untermensch' to give them the proper name. The class includes chavs, junkies and the generally feckless. These people are not working class because they don't work. That is open to debate. A plumber or an electrician, for instance, does a manual job yet are often seen as professionals. A tennis player does a manual job ... A footballer... Most footballers are overwhelmingly working class. Don't confuse income with class. Whatch Titanic if you are confused. Being working class is not a bad thing!!! It's your roots, it's just part of how you came up in the world like being a "northern monkey" or a "southern fairy". Well, the dictionay definition majors on income and manual jobs, not social class. Hence my point that other connotations are often attached to the phrase. The dictionary constantly widens it's definitions to the point they cease to have unique meaning and hence we constantly create new words. If class and income are the same then we wouldn't need two words for it. I assure you that Wayne Rooney walks into a country club, whilst his money gets him through the door, his class keeps him out of gentleman's conversations. " Another good example is the tank regiment of the Army. The Army pay is relatively modest and doesn't even cover the cost of living for a tank regiment officer. So are all of them living hand to mouth? Quite the opposite, you don't get in the door unless you are financially self sufficient in the first place, therefore their income (low) is completely divorced from their class (high) because of their family wealth. | |||
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"The working class keep getting a mention but who/what are they, I run my own business and "work" twice the hours that many who claim to be "working class". Doesnt every one who gets paid to do something "work"?Perhaps its time we used abetter description " I agree, especially as the "working class" often don't work! | |||
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" People confuse income with class and people try to lump the dregs of society into working class. Dregs are actually an 'under class' or 'untermensch' to give them the proper name. The class includes chavs, junkies and the generally feckless. These people are not working class because they don't work. " My point exactly!  | |||
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"Who defines who is in what class? Seems to about control and division.. Woking Class = manual labour jobs Middle Class = knowledge workers Upper Class = don't work for a living, they live off the family silver or do jobs for fun like drive tanks in the army People confuse income with class and people try to lump the dregs of society into working class. Dregs are actually an 'under class' or 'untermensch' to give them the proper name. The class includes chavs, junkies and the generally feckless. These people are not working class because they don't work. That is open to debate. A plumber or an electrician, for instance, does a manual job yet are often seen as professionals. A tennis player does a manual job ... A footballer... Most footballers are overwhelmingly working class. Don't confuse income with class. Whatch Titanic if you are confused. Being working class is not a bad thing!!! It's your roots, it's just part of how you came up in the world like being a "northern monkey" or a "southern fairy". Well, the dictionay definition majors on income and manual jobs, not social class. Hence my point that other connotations are often attached to the phrase. The dictionary constantly widens it's definitions to the point they cease to have unique meaning and hence we constantly create new words. If class and income are the same then we wouldn't need two words for it. I assure you that Wayne Rooney walks into a country club, whilst his money gets him through the door, his class keeps him out of gentleman's conversations. " But you can, of course, be a working class gentleman. You don't need to be a high earner to have respect and good manners. Hence the difficulty in using these terms. | |||
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"Who defines who is in what class? Seems to about control and division.. Woking Class = manual labour jobs Middle Class = knowledge workers Upper Class = don't work for a living, they live off the family silver or do jobs for fun like drive tanks in the army People confuse income with class and people try to lump the dregs of society into working class. Dregs are actually an 'under class' or 'untermensch' to give them the proper name. The class includes chavs, junkies and the generally feckless. These people are not working class because they don't work. That is open to debate. A plumber or an electrician, for instance, does a manual job yet are often seen as professionals. A tennis player does a manual job ... A footballer... Most footballers are overwhelmingly working class. Don't confuse income with class. Whatch Titanic if you are confused. Being working class is not a bad thing!!! It's your roots, it's just part of how you came up in the world like being a "northern monkey" or a "southern fairy". Well, the dictionay definition majors on income and manual jobs, not social class. Hence my point that other connotations are often attached to the phrase. The dictionary constantly widens it's definitions to the point they cease to have unique meaning and hence we constantly create new words. If class and income are the same then we wouldn't need two words for it. I assure you that Wayne Rooney walks into a country club, whilst his money gets him through the door, his class keeps him out of gentleman's conversations. But you can, of course, be a working class gentleman. You don't need to be a high earner to have respect and good manners. Hence the difficulty in using these terms." Sorry but we're mixing terms here. I'm not talking about a gentleman who gives a lady his coat on a cold night. I'm talking about a gentleman in the sense of little pip in great expectations being sent away to a school to learn how to be a gentleman. | |||
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"Who defines who is in what class? Seems to about control and division.. Woking Class = manual labour jobs Middle Class = knowledge workers Upper Class = don't work for a living, they live off the family silver or do jobs for fun like drive tanks in the army People confuse income with class and people try to lump the dregs of society into working class. Dregs are actually an 'under class' or 'untermensch' to give them the proper name. The class includes chavs, junkies and the generally feckless. These people are not working class because they don't work. That is open to debate. A plumber or an electrician, for instance, does a manual job yet are often seen as professionals. A tennis player does a manual job ... A footballer... Most footballers are overwhelmingly working class. Don't confuse income with class. Whatch Titanic if you are confused. Being working class is not a bad thing!!! It's your roots, it's just part of how you came up in the world like being a "northern monkey" or a "southern fairy". Well, the dictionay definition majors on income and manual jobs, not social class. Hence my point that other connotations are often attached to the phrase. The dictionary constantly widens it's definitions to the point they cease to have unique meaning and hence we constantly create new words. If class and income are the same then we wouldn't need two words for it. I assure you that Wayne Rooney walks into a country club, whilst his money gets him through the door, his class keeps him out of gentleman's conversations. But you can, of course, be a working class gentleman. You don't need to be a high earner to have respect and good manners. Hence the difficulty in using these terms. Sorry but we're mixing terms here. I'm not talking about a gentleman who gives a lady his coat on a cold night. I'm talking about a gentleman in the sense of little pip in great expectations being sent away to a school to learn how to be a gentleman. " Hence the difficulty in using these terms. | |||
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"Who defines who is in what class? Seems to about control and division.. Woking Class = manual labour jobs Middle Class = knowledge workers Upper Class = don't work for a living, they live off the family silver or do jobs for fun like drive tanks in the army People confuse income with class and people try to lump the dregs of society into working class. Dregs are actually an 'under class' or 'untermensch' to give them the proper name. The class includes chavs, junkies and the generally feckless. These people are not working class because they don't work. That is open to debate. A plumber or an electrician, for instance, does a manual job yet are often seen as professionals. A tennis player does a manual job ... A footballer... Most footballers are overwhelmingly working class. Don't confuse income with class. Whatch Titanic if you are confused. Being working class is not a bad thing!!! It's your roots, it's just part of how you came up in the world like being a "northern monkey" or a "southern fairy". Well, the dictionay definition majors on income and manual jobs, not social class. Hence my point that other connotations are often attached to the phrase. The dictionary constantly widens it's definitions to the point they cease to have unique meaning and hence we constantly create new words. If class and income are the same then we wouldn't need two words for it. I assure you that Wayne Rooney walks into a country club, whilst his money gets him through the door, his class keeps him out of gentleman's conversations. But you can, of course, be a working class gentleman. You don't need to be a high earner to have respect and good manners. Hence the difficulty in using these terms. Sorry but we're mixing terms here. I'm not talking about a gentleman who gives a lady his coat on a cold night. I'm talking about a gentleman in the sense of little pip in great expectations being sent away to a school to learn how to be a gentleman. Hence the difficulty in using these terms." You can't send your child to Eton unless you register before the age of about 4. It's a deliberate policy to keep the new money out. | |||
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"Who defines who is in what class? Seems to about control and division.. Woking Class = manual labour jobs Middle Class = knowledge workers Upper Class = don't work for a living, they live off the family silver or do jobs for fun like drive tanks in the army People confuse income with class and people try to lump the dregs of society into working class. Dregs are actually an 'under class' or 'untermensch' to give them the proper name. The class includes chavs, junkies and the generally feckless. These people are not working class because they don't work. That is open to debate. A plumber or an electrician, for instance, does a manual job yet are often seen as professionals. A tennis player does a manual job ... A footballer... Most footballers are overwhelmingly working class. Don't confuse income with class. Whatch Titanic if you are confused. Being working class is not a bad thing!!! It's your roots, it's just part of how you came up in the world like being a "northern monkey" or a "southern fairy". Well, the dictionay definition majors on income and manual jobs, not social class. Hence my point that other connotations are often attached to the phrase. The dictionary constantly widens it's definitions to the point they cease to have unique meaning and hence we constantly create new words. If class and income are the same then we wouldn't need two words for it. I assure you that Wayne Rooney walks into a country club, whilst his money gets him through the door, his class keeps him out of gentleman's conversations. But you can, of course, be a working class gentleman. You don't need to be a high earner to have respect and good manners. Hence the difficulty in using these terms. Sorry but we're mixing terms here. I'm not talking about a gentleman who gives a lady his coat on a cold night. I'm talking about a gentleman in the sense of little pip in great expectations being sent away to a school to learn how to be a gentleman. Hence the difficulty in using these terms. You can't send your child to Eton unless you register before the age of about 4. It's a deliberate policy to keep the new money out. " I wasn't thinking of having children at the age of 4. I would not deny that most people in the "Eton" category would fall into most people's definition of upper class, either. | |||
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"Who defines who is in what class? Seems to about control and division.. Woking Class = manual labour jobs Middle Class = knowledge workers Upper Class = don't work for a living, they live off the family silver or do jobs for fun like drive tanks in the army People confuse income with class and people try to lump the dregs of society into working class. Dregs are actually an 'under class' or 'untermensch' to give them the proper name. The class includes chavs, junkies and the generally feckless. These people are not working class because they don't work. That is open to debate. A plumber or an electrician, for instance, does a manual job yet are often seen as professionals. A tennis player does a manual job ... A footballer... Most footballers are overwhelmingly working class. Don't confuse income with class. Whatch Titanic if you are confused. Being working class is not a bad thing!!! It's your roots, it's just part of how you came up in the world like being a "northern monkey" or a "southern fairy". Well, the dictionay definition majors on income and manual jobs, not social class. Hence my point that other connotations are often attached to the phrase. The dictionary constantly widens it's definitions to the point they cease to have unique meaning and hence we constantly create new words. If class and income are the same then we wouldn't need two words for it. I assure you that Wayne Rooney walks into a country club, whilst his money gets him through the door, his class keeps him out of gentleman's conversations. But you can, of course, be a working class gentleman. You don't need to be a high earner to have respect and good manners. Hence the difficulty in using these terms. Sorry but we're mixing terms here. I'm not talking about a gentleman who gives a lady his coat on a cold night. I'm talking about a gentleman in the sense of little pip in great expectations being sent away to a school to learn how to be a gentleman. Hence the difficulty in using these terms. You can't send your child to Eton unless you register before the age of about 4. It's a deliberate policy to keep the new money out. I wasn't thinking of having children at the age of 4. I would not deny that most people in the "Eton" category would fall into most people's definition of upper class, either. " Yeah but most people don't understand that they have ways and means of keeping the likes of premiership footballers kids out the true elite circles | |||
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"Who defines who is in what class? Seems to about control and division.. Woking Class = manual labour jobs Middle Class = knowledge workers Upper Class = don't work for a living, they live off the family silver or do jobs for fun like drive tanks in the army People confuse income with class and people try to lump the dregs of society into working class. Dregs are actually an 'under class' or 'untermensch' to give them the proper name. The class includes chavs, junkies and the generally feckless. These people are not working class because they don't work. " . Break it to them gently old bean some of these chavs haven't read animal farm you know! | |||
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"Who defines who is in what class? Seems to about control and division.. Woking Class = manual labour jobs Middle Class = knowledge workers Upper Class = don't work for a living, they live off the family silver or do jobs for fun like drive tanks in the army People confuse income with class and people try to lump the dregs of society into working class. Dregs are actually an 'under class' or 'untermensch' to give them the proper name. The class includes chavs, junkies and the generally feckless. These people are not working class because they don't work. . Break it to them gently old bean some of these chavs haven't read animal farm you know!" It's almost like some people would rather watch eastenders than question time | |||
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"Who defines who is in what class? Seems to about control and division.. Woking Class = manual labour jobs Middle Class = knowledge workers Upper Class = don't work for a living, they live off the family silver or do jobs for fun like drive tanks in the army People confuse income with class and people try to lump the dregs of society into working class. Dregs are actually an 'under class' or 'untermensch' to give them the proper name. The class includes chavs, junkies and the generally feckless. These people are not working class because they don't work. . Break it to them gently old bean some of these chavs haven't read animal farm you know! It's almost like some people would rather watch eastenders than question time " And that is fine and not a definition of "class" by any means. I enjoy American Collectors as well as Question Time. We all have different viewing habits. I am not an Eastenders fan but I have heard rumours that the Queen follows it. Isn't humanity wide and wonderful? | |||
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"Who defines who is in what class? Seems to about control and division.. Woking Class = manual labour jobs Middle Class = knowledge workers Upper Class = don't work for a living, they live off the family silver or do jobs for fun like drive tanks in the army People confuse income with class and people try to lump the dregs of society into working class. Dregs are actually an 'under class' or 'untermensch' to give them the proper name. The class includes chavs, junkies and the generally feckless. These people are not working class because they don't work. . Break it to them gently old bean some of these chavs haven't read animal farm you know! It's almost like some people would rather watch eastenders than question time And that is fine and not a definition of "class" by any means. I enjoy American Collectors as well as Question Time. We all have different viewing habits. I am not an Eastenders fan but I have heard rumours that the Queen follows it. Isn't humanity wide and wonderful? " I watch Jerry Springer and WWE, I only watch question time when I want something really dumbed down to help me unwind | |||
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"Agreed, that's how the Tories can now claim to be called the party of the working class. The truth is there are poor, ok and rich. And that'ts it really" | |||
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" People confuse income with class and people try to lump the dregs of society into working class. Dregs are actually an 'under class' or 'untermensch' to give them the proper name. The class includes chavs, junkies and the generally feckless. These people are not working class because they don't work. My point exactly! "Very true and they are the few that Corbyn is on about | |||
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" Dregs are actually an 'under class' or 'untermensch' to give them the proper name. " What a lovely turn of phrase, you must get through a lot of Brasso | |||
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" Dregs are actually an 'under class' or 'untermensch' to give them the proper name. What a lovely turn of phrase, you must get through a lot of Brasso" I didn't invent it! What do you call them? | |||
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