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"The 53-year-old former banker and fund manager was a former district councillor, she became MP for South Northamptonshire in 2010 and - after serving as a junior Treasury minister and as a member of the Treasury select committee - she was made a junior minister in the energy and climate change department in May last year. The more I read of the scandals which involve Teresa May and Dr Liam Fox, the more I think Andrea Leadsom is the lady for the job of PM. Dr Liam Fox simply cannot be appointed due to the disgrace and breech he caused as former defence secretary, Teresa May has to many red hot poker scandals due to previous failed positions and her G4s involvement. Michael Gove, the slithering back stabbing snake of a man has said himself on various TV inter_iews that he does not have the ability for leadership The more you read into the scandals the more I believe Andrea Leadsom may be the next Iron Lady for PM." Absolutely spot on. As a volunteer for Vote Leave I met a few of the 'names' and Leadsom was seriously impressive in a quiet way. She is way too polite but it works for her. And she knows her markets and politics. I agree totally about Gove who, while being very passionate, fought the Leave campaign well and is a great orator sadly he held the knife to Caesar. Brutus he remains. May was Remain but didn't have the strength of her convictions. She kept her head down while those (on both sides) went over the top when the whistles blew. Please excuse the analogy as we remember the Somme. Even if Leadsom fails to be PM I can't think of a better Chancellor and EU negotiator. | |||
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"The 53-year-old former banker and fund manager was a former district councillor, she became MP for South Northamptonshire in 2010 and - after serving as a junior Treasury minister and as a member of the Treasury select committee - she was made a junior minister in the energy and climate change department in May last year. The more I read of the scandals which involve Teresa May and Dr Liam Fox, the more I think Andrea Leadsom is the lady for the job of PM. Dr Liam Fox simply cannot be appointed due to the disgrace and breech he caused as former defence secretary, Teresa May has to many red hot poker scandals due to previous failed positions and her G4s involvement. Michael Gove, the slithering back stabbing snake of a man has said himself on various TV inter_iews that he does not have the ability for leadership The more you read into the scandals the more I believe Andrea Leadsom may be the next Iron Lady for PM. Absolutely spot on. As a volunteer for Vote Leave I met a few of the 'names' and Leadsom was seriously impressive in a quiet way. She is way too polite but it works for her. And she knows her markets and politics. I agree totally about Gove who, while being very passionate, fought the Leave campaign well and is a great orator sadly he held the knife to Caesar. Brutus he remains. May was Remain but didn't have the strength of her convictions. She kept her head down while those (on both sides) went over the top when the whistles blew. Please excuse the analogy as we remember the Somme. Even if Leadsom fails to be PM I can't think of a better Chancellor and EU negotiator." as you say you fought for the leave campaign so not biased in any way in your opinion | |||
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" as you say you fought for the leave campaign so not biased in any way in your opinion " What part of 3 out of the 5 campaigned for 'Leave' don't you quite understand? Clearly I would never support a 'Remainer' as we need someone to fight our ground and we saw how pathetic Cameron was doing that. May and Crabbe are 'Remainers'. But yes I do prefer Leadsom out of Gove and Fox having met the first two. | |||
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"The 53-year-old former banker and fund manager was a former district councillor, she became MP for South Northamptonshire in 2010 and - after serving as a junior Treasury minister and as a member of the Treasury select committee - she was made a junior minister in the energy and climate change department in May last year. The more I read of the scandals which involve Teresa May and Dr Liam Fox, the more I think Andrea Leadsom is the lady for the job of PM. Dr Liam Fox simply cannot be appointed due to the disgrace and breech he caused as former defence secretary, Teresa May has to many red hot poker scandals due to previous failed positions and her G4s involvement. Michael Gove, the slithering back stabbing snake of a man has said himself on various TV inter_iews that he does not have the ability for leadership The more you read into the scandals the more I believe Andrea Leadsom may be the next Iron Lady for PM." Fox is still the man. Personally I like my politicians to come with a hint of scandal. It shows they are willing to do what is necessary to grease the wheels of a prosperous economy. | |||
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"The 53-year-old former banker and fund manager was a former district councillor, she became MP for South Northamptonshire in 2010 and - after serving as a junior Treasury minister and as a member of the Treasury select committee - she was made a junior minister in the energy and climate change department in May last year. The more I read of the scandals which involve Teresa May and Dr Liam Fox, the more I think Andrea Leadsom is the lady for the job of PM. Dr Liam Fox simply cannot be appointed due to the disgrace and breech he caused as former defence secretary, Teresa May has to many red hot poker scandals due to previous failed positions and her G4s involvement. Michael Gove, the slithering back stabbing snake of a man has said himself on various TV inter_iews that he does not have the ability for leadership The more you read into the scandals the more I believe Andrea Leadsom may be the next Iron Lady for PM. Fox is still the man. Personally I like my politicians to come with a hint of scandal. It shows they are willing to do what is necessary to grease the wheels of a prosperous economy. " That really rather depends on the nature of the scandal. If the scandal reveals the man in question to be a bumbling incompetent who doesn't realise that taking your secret boyfriend on tax-payer funded jollies that call into question your understanding of the significance of national security whilst acting as minister for defence, then it's entirely the wrong sort of scandal. | |||
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" If the scandal reveals the man in question to be a bumbling incompetent who doesn't realise that taking your secret boyfriend on tax-payer funded jollies that call into question your understanding of the significance of national security whilst acting as minister for defence, then it's entirely the wrong sort of scandal. " My sentiments entirely. | |||
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"The 53-year-old former banker and fund manager was a former district councillor, she became MP for South Northamptonshire in 2010 and - after serving as a junior Treasury minister and as a member of the Treasury select committee - she was made a junior minister in the energy and climate change department in May last year. The more I read of the scandals which involve Teresa May and Dr Liam Fox, the more I think Andrea Leadsom is the lady for the job of PM. Dr Liam Fox simply cannot be appointed due to the disgrace and breech he caused as former defence secretary, Teresa May has to many red hot poker scandals due to previous failed positions and her G4s involvement. Michael Gove, the slithering back stabbing snake of a man has said himself on various TV inter_iews that he does not have the ability for leadership The more you read into the scandals the more I believe Andrea Leadsom may be the next Iron Lady for PM. Fox is still the man. Personally I like my politicians to come with a hint of scandal. It shows they are willing to do what is necessary to grease the wheels of a prosperous economy. That really rather depends on the nature of the scandal. If the scandal reveals the man in question to be a bumbling incompetent who doesn't realise that taking your secret boyfriend on tax-payer funded jollies that call into question your understanding of the significance of national security whilst acting as minister for defence, then it's entirely the wrong sort of scandal." In defence, bringing people along for the ride is precisely what made deals like Al-Yamamah such a roaring success | |||
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"As I predicted ages ago, when Cameron goes we will see that despite him being the worst PM in living memory, the Tories have no-one credible to replace him. When people are talking seriously about Leadsom, Crabb, Gove and disgraced former minister Liam Fox as candidates for PM, and Theresa May is the only 'decent' choice...oh boy! "You must either be very young and werent around or very old and have memory problems if you have forgotten T B liar and gordon "bigot" Brown | |||
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"As I predicted ages ago, when Cameron goes we will see that despite him being the worst PM in living memory, the Tories have no-one credible to replace him. When people are talking seriously about Leadsom, Crabb, Gove and disgraced former minister Liam Fox as candidates for PM, and Theresa May is the only 'decent' choice...oh boy!
You must either be very young and werent around or very old and have memory problems if you have forgotten T B liar and gordon "bigot" Brown"If you can point to any fuck up either of them has made that approaches the scale of magnitude that the Brexit fiasco represents for the country, I'm all ears. | |||
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"As I predicted ages ago, when Cameron goes we will see that despite him being the worst PM in living memory, the Tories have no-one credible to replace him. When people are talking seriously about Leadsom, Crabb, Gove and disgraced former minister Liam Fox as candidates for PM, and Theresa May is the only 'decent' choice...oh boy!
You must either be very young and werent around or very old and have memory problems if you have forgotten T B liar and gordon "bigot" Brown
If you can point to any fuck up either of them has made that approaches the scale of magnitude that the Brexit fiasco represents for the country, I'm all ears. "Sold all our gold of for pennies, increased the nations debt, cost the lives of 400 plus soldiers from an illegal war and which directly caused us to be targets for isis etc.hows that for starters In ten years time brexit will be seen as the best thing we have done for many many years | |||
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"As I predicted ages ago, when Cameron goes we will see that despite him being the worst PM in living memory, the Tories have no-one credible to replace him. When people are talking seriously about Leadsom, Crabb, Gove and disgraced former minister Liam Fox as candidates for PM, and Theresa May is the only 'decent' choice...oh boy!
You must either be very young and werent around or very old and have memory problems if you have forgotten T B liar and gordon "bigot" Brown"You forgot to mention Lord 'never made it' Kinnoch and Michael' longest political suicide note' Foote. Have to admit as a lifelong Tory (who despises Cameron and Osborne now) that it is a great shame for British Politics and the Labour Party that John Smith passed away ... | |||
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"I'd give Andrea one. hey, get in line "It is a queue. Unless you are American. As Obama reading a Cameron script told us ...  | |||
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You must either be very young and werent around or very old and have memory problems if you have forgotten T B liar and gordon "bigot" Brown
If you can point to any fuck up either of them has made that approaches the scale of magnitude that the Brexit fiasco represents for the country, I'm all ears. "I will bid you one illegal war against Parliament's new freedom.... | |||
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"I'd give Andrea one. hey, get in line
It is a queue. Unless you are American. As Obama reading a Cameron script told us ... "I am Obama | |||
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"As I predicted ages ago, when Cameron goes we will see that despite him being the worst PM in living memory, the Tories have no-one credible to replace him. When people are talking seriously about Leadsom, Crabb, Gove and disgraced former minister Liam Fox as candidates for PM, and Theresa May is the only 'decent' choice...oh boy!
You must either be very young and werent around or very old and have memory problems if you have forgotten T B liar and gordon "bigot" Brown
If you can point to any fuck up either of them has made that approaches the scale of magnitude that the Brexit fiasco represents for the country, I'm all ears.
Sold all our gold of for pennies, increased the nations debt, cost the lives of 400 plus soldiers from an illegal war and which directly caused us to be targets for isis etc.hows that for starters
In ten years time brexit will be seen as the best thing we have done for many many years"For starters? That's not even close! Personally I think Blair should be on trial for war crimes, but Cameron? He's destroyed the economic and social future of this country, and we'll be feeling the effect for tens of generations. He's sealed his position as the worst prime minister of two centuries. Even Neville Chamberlain didn't fuck up as badly as him. | |||
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"As I predicted ages ago, when Cameron goes we will see that despite him being the worst PM in living memory, the Tories have no-one credible to replace him. When people are talking seriously about Leadsom, Crabb, Gove and disgraced former minister Liam Fox as candidates for PM, and Theresa May is the only 'decent' choice...oh boy!
You must either be very young and werent around or very old and have memory problems if you have forgotten T B liar and gordon "bigot" Brown
You forgot to mention Lord 'never made it' Kinnoch and Michael' longest political suicide note' Foote.
Have to admit as a lifelong Tory (who despises Cameron and Osborne now) that it is a great shame for British Politics and the Labour Party that John Smith passed away ..."Probably forgot to mention them as neither was ever Prime Minister, which is sort of a pre-requisite for being judged as worst ever prime minister.  | |||
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" Probably forgot to mention them as neither was ever Prime Minister, which is sort of a pre-requisite for being judged as worst ever prime minister. " Fair point but it was also about leaders I thought. OK how about Jim 'crisis what crisis' Callaghan and Harold 'The pound in your pocket' Wilson? | |||
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"The 53-year-old former banker and fund manager was a former district councillor, she became MP for South Northamptonshire in 2010 and - after serving as a junior Treasury minister and as a member of the Treasury select committee - she was made a junior minister in the energy and climate change department in May last year. The more I read of the scandals which involve Teresa May and Dr Liam Fox, the more I think Andrea Leadsom is the lady for the job of PM. Dr Liam Fox simply cannot be appointed due to the disgrace and breech he caused as former defence secretary, Teresa May has to many red hot poker scandals due to previous failed positions and her G4s involvement. Michael Gove, the slithering back stabbing snake of a man has said himself on various TV inter_iews that he does not have the ability for leadership The more you read into the scandals the more I believe Andrea Leadsom may be the next Iron Lady for PM. Fox is still the man. Personally I like my politicians to come with a hint of scandal. It shows they are willing to do what is necessary to grease the wheels of a prosperous economy. That really rather depends on the nature of the scandal. If the scandal reveals the man in question to be a bumbling incompetent who doesn't realise that taking your secret boyfriend on tax-payer funded jollies that call into question your understanding of the significance of national security whilst acting as minister for defence, then it's entirely the wrong sort of scandal." Absolutely spot on; when you read deeper into the scandal and what he allowed, he should never work in politics again, this was a security breech | |||
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"As I predicted ages ago, when Cameron goes we will see that despite him being the worst PM in living memory, the Tories have no-one credible to replace him. When people are talking seriously about Leadsom, Crabb, Gove and disgraced former minister Liam Fox as candidates for PM, and Theresa May is the only 'decent' choice...oh boy!
You must either be very young and werent around or very old and have memory problems if you have forgotten T B liar and gordon "bigot" Brown
If you can point to any fuck up either of them has made that approaches the scale of magnitude that the Brexit fiasco represents for the country, I'm all ears. "How could Brexit be a fiasco. The majority of the electorate voted for it . | |||
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"The 53-year-old former banker and fund manager was a former district councillor, she became MP for South Northamptonshire in 2010 and - after serving as a junior Treasury minister and as a member of the Treasury select committee - she was made a junior minister in the energy and climate change department in May last year. The more I read of the scandals which involve Teresa May and Dr Liam Fox, the more I think Andrea Leadsom is the lady for the job of PM. Dr Liam Fox simply cannot be appointed due to the disgrace and breech he caused as former defence secretary, Teresa May has to many red hot poker scandals due to previous failed positions and her G4s involvement. Michael Gove, the slithering back stabbing snake of a man has said himself on various TV inter_iews that he does not have the ability for leadership The more you read into the scandals the more I believe Andrea Leadsom may be the next Iron Lady for PM." I prefer to ignore past scandals and make my judgement on a politicians performance . We all make mistakes in life . Few people are entirely squeaky clean.. | |||
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"As I predicted ages ago, when Cameron goes we will see that despite him being the worst PM in living memory, the Tories have no-one credible to replace him. When people are talking seriously about Leadsom, Crabb, Gove and disgraced former minister Liam Fox as candidates for PM, and Theresa May is the only 'decent' choice...oh boy!
You must either be very young and werent around or very old and have memory problems if you have forgotten T B liar and gordon "bigot" Brown
If you can point to any fuck up either of them has made that approaches the scale of magnitude that the Brexit fiasco represents for the country, I'm all ears. How could Brexit be a fiasco. The majority of the electorate voted for it . "A mojority of people also voted for Hitler. Not saying they are on par but there are inherent risks to democracy! | |||
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"As I predicted ages ago, when Cameron goes we will see that despite him being the worst PM in living memory, the Tories have no-one credible to replace him. When people are talking seriously about Leadsom, Crabb, Gove and disgraced former minister Liam Fox as candidates for PM, and Theresa May is the only 'decent' choice...oh boy!
You must either be very young and werent around or very old and have memory problems if you have forgotten T B liar and gordon "bigot" Brown
If you can point to any fuck up either of them has made that approaches the scale of magnitude that the Brexit fiasco represents for the country, I'm all ears. How could Brexit be a fiasco. The majority of the electorate voted for it .
A mojority of people also voted for Hitler. Not saying they are on par but there are inherent risks to democracy! "godwins law ..... you lose .... the debate is now over | |||
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"As I predicted ages ago, when Cameron goes we will see that despite him being the worst PM in living memory, the Tories have no-one credible to replace him. When people are talking seriously about Leadsom, Crabb, Gove and disgraced former minister Liam Fox as candidates for PM, and Theresa May is the only 'decent' choice...oh boy!
You must either be very young and werent around or very old and have memory problems if you have forgotten T B liar and gordon "bigot" Brown
If you can point to any fuck up either of them has made that approaches the scale of magnitude that the Brexit fiasco represents for the country, I'm all ears. How could Brexit be a fiasco. The majority of the electorate voted for it . "And in doing so the UK has replaced the United States as being the dumbest country in the world. | |||
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"As I predicted ages ago, when Cameron goes we will see that despite him being the worst PM in living memory, the Tories have no-one credible to replace him. When people are talking seriously about Leadsom, Crabb, Gove and disgraced former minister Liam Fox as candidates for PM, and Theresa May is the only 'decent' choice...oh boy!
You must either be very young and werent around or very old and have memory problems if you have forgotten T B liar and gordon "bigot" Brown
If you can point to any fuck up either of them has made that approaches the scale of magnitude that the Brexit fiasco represents for the country, I'm all ears. How could Brexit be a fiasco. The majority of the electorate voted for it .
And in doing so the UK has replaced the United States as being the dumbest country in the world."with 48% of the voters wanting to stay in the EU you can say that again | |||
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"As I predicted ages ago, when Cameron goes we will see that despite him being the worst PM in living memory, the Tories have no-one credible to replace him. When people are talking seriously about Leadsom, Crabb, Gove and disgraced former minister Liam Fox as candidates for PM, and Theresa May is the only 'decent' choice...oh boy!
You must either be very young and werent around or very old and have memory problems if you have forgotten T B liar and gordon "bigot" Brown
If you can point to any fuck up either of them has made that approaches the scale of magnitude that the Brexit fiasco represents for the country, I'm all ears. How could Brexit be a fiasco. The majority of the electorate voted for it .
And in doing so the UK has replaced the United States as being the dumbest country in the world."I'd take their economy over ours any day of the week | |||
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"As I predicted ages ago, when Cameron goes we will see that despite him being the worst PM in living memory, the Tories have no-one credible to replace him. When people are talking seriously about Leadsom, Crabb, Gove and disgraced former minister Liam Fox as candidates for PM, and Theresa May is the only 'decent' choice...oh boy!
You must either be very young and werent around or very old and have memory problems if you have forgotten T B liar and gordon "bigot" Brown
If you can point to any fuck up either of them has made that approaches the scale of magnitude that the Brexit fiasco represents for the country, I'm all ears. How could Brexit be a fiasco. The majority of the electorate voted for it .
And in doing so the UK has replaced the United States as being the dumbest country in the world."Or quite possibly the most foresighted because we had the guts to knock the first brick out of the political monstrosity that now shackles Europe into unlimited migration, open borders and a failed currency that is destroying countries on its Southern Flank as we speak. Others will follow but they needed us to take the first steps out. Someone mentioned Hitler and I won't go there but it does feel like once again the UK is standing alone against an unelected and unaccountable monstrosity. The Eu's 2nd / 3rd biggest nett contributor said there was a problem (or three) and the EU failed to listen. Nothing new there. But this time the people of the UK said 'OK don't listen but we are gone'. | |||
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"As I predicted ages ago, when Cameron goes we will see that despite him being the worst PM in living memory, the Tories have no-one credible to replace him. When people are talking seriously about Leadsom, Crabb, Gove and disgraced former minister Liam Fox as candidates for PM, and Theresa May is the only 'decent' choice...oh boy!
You must either be very young and werent around or very old and have memory problems if you have forgotten T B liar and gordon "bigot" Brown
If you can point to any fuck up either of them has made that approaches the scale of magnitude that the Brexit fiasco represents for the country, I'm all ears. How could Brexit be a fiasco. The majority of the electorate voted for it .
And in doing so the UK has replaced the United States as being the dumbest country in the world.
I'd take their economy over ours any day of the week "we have actually outgrown the USA for 3 years and we have a lower rate of unemployment. But I take your point. Although I wouldn't want their levels of public debt. | |||
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"As I predicted ages ago, when Cameron goes we will see that despite him being the worst PM in living memory, the Tories have no-one credible to replace him. When people are talking seriously about Leadsom, Crabb, Gove and disgraced former minister Liam Fox as candidates for PM, and Theresa May is the only 'decent' choice...oh boy!
You must either be very young and werent around or very old and have memory problems if you have forgotten T B liar and gordon "bigot" Brown
If you can point to any fuck up either of them has made that approaches the scale of magnitude that the Brexit fiasco represents for the country, I'm all ears. How could Brexit be a fiasco. The majority of the electorate voted for it .
And in doing so the UK has replaced the United States as being the dumbest country in the world.
I'd take their economy over ours any day of the week
we have actually outgrown the USA for 3 years and we have a lower rate of unemployment. But I take your point. Although I wouldn't want their levels of public debt."Growth is relative to your baseline, theirs is higher! How many internationally competitive companies with British HQ do we have outside of financial services? A handful.... People should ponder why Europe never creates a Google | |||
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"As I predicted ages ago, when Cameron goes we will see that despite him being the worst PM in living memory, the Tories have no-one credible to replace him. When people are talking seriously about Leadsom, Crabb, Gove and disgraced former minister Liam Fox as candidates for PM, and Theresa May is the only 'decent' choice...oh boy!
You must either be very young and werent around or very old and have memory problems if you have forgotten T B liar and gordon "bigot" Brown
If you can point to any fuck up either of them has made that approaches the scale of magnitude that the Brexit fiasco represents for the country, I'm all ears. How could Brexit be a fiasco. The majority of the electorate voted for it .
And in doing so the UK has replaced the United States as being the dumbest country in the world.
I'd take their economy over ours any day of the week
we have actually outgrown the USA for 3 years and we have a lower rate of unemployment. But I take your point. Although I wouldn't want their levels of public debt.
Growth is relative to your baseline, theirs is higher! How many internationally competitive companies with British HQ do we have outside of financial services? A handful....
People should ponder why Europe never creates a Google "I think the fact that the UK is the biggest inward investor into the USA and the USA is the biggest inward investor into the UK (and we take more inward investment than any other EU country) maybe disproves your theory on Financial Services being the only beneficiary. Companies like Boeing, Lockheed Martin, GE, GM and so many others are hard nosed manufacturers. | |||
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"As I predicted ages ago, when Cameron goes we will see that despite him being the worst PM in living memory, the Tories have no-one credible to replace him. When people are talking seriously about Leadsom, Crabb, Gove and disgraced former minister Liam Fox as candidates for PM, and Theresa May is the only 'decent' choice...oh boy!
You must either be very young and werent around or very old and have memory problems if you have forgotten T B liar and gordon "bigot" Brown
If you can point to any fuck up either of them has made that approaches the scale of magnitude that the Brexit fiasco represents for the country, I'm all ears. How could Brexit be a fiasco. The majority of the electorate voted for it .
And in doing so the UK has replaced the United States as being the dumbest country in the world.
I'd take their economy over ours any day of the week
we have actually outgrown the USA for 3 years and we have a lower rate of unemployment. But I take your point. Although I wouldn't want their levels of public debt.
Growth is relative to your baseline, theirs is higher! How many internationally competitive companies with British HQ do we have outside of financial services? A handful....
People should ponder why Europe never creates a Google
I think the fact that the UK is the biggest inward investor into the USA and the USA is the biggest inward investor into the UK (and we take more inward investment than any other EU country) maybe disproves your theory on Financial Services being the only beneficiary. Companies like Boeing, Lockheed Martin, GE, GM and so many others are hard nosed manufacturers. "Talking cross purposes. I'm saying that Britain doesn't seem to breed many internationally successful companies, as in the successful ones in Britain are largely foreign owned. I don't have a big problem with that but I do have a theory on why it is. There are some good British companies left (Rolls-Royce, Servo, GSK etc) but it doesn't seem proportionate to the world's 5th largest economy. | |||
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You must either be very young and werent around or very old and have memory problems if you have forgotten T B liar and gordon "bigot" Brown
If you can point to any fuck up either of them has made that approaches the scale of magnitude that the Brexit fiasco represents for the country, I'm all ears. How could Brexit be a fiasco. The majority of the electorate voted for it .
And in doing so the UK has replaced the United States as being the dumbest country in the world.
I'd take their economy over ours any day of the week "Would you also take their dept over ours anyday? look forward to your reply | |||
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You must either be very young and werent around or very old and have memory problems if you have forgotten T B liar and gordon "bigot" Brown
If you can point to any fuck up either of them has made that approaches the scale of magnitude that the Brexit fiasco represents for the country, I'm all ears. How could Brexit be a fiasco. The majority of the electorate voted for it .
And in doing so the UK has replaced the United States as being the dumbest country in the world.
I'd take their economy over ours any day of the week
Would you also take their dept over ours anyday?
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"The 53-year-old former banker and fund manager was a former district councillor, she became MP for South Northamptonshire in 2010 and - after serving as a junior Treasury minister and as a member of the Treasury select committee - she was made a junior minister in the energy and climate change department in May last year. The more I read of the scandals which involve Teresa May and Dr Liam Fox, the more I think Andrea Leadsom is the lady for the job of PM. Dr Liam Fox simply cannot be appointed due to the disgrace and breech he caused as former defence secretary, Teresa May has to many red hot poker scandals due to previous failed positions and her G4s involvement. Michael Gove, the slithering back stabbing snake of a man has said himself on various TV inter_iews that he does not have the ability for leadership The more you read into the scandals the more I believe Andrea Leadsom may be the next Iron Lady for PM." I still agree with original post | |||
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"Fox and Leaddon are both devout Christians; Fox strongly anti- gay/LBFT Rights ; has voted against ( or when it was embarrassing to be seen voting against, abstained) all LGBT legislation, also strongly anti abortion. Leadsom is against gay marriage, does not support KBGT issues, though when challenged, said she would vote both ways ( obviously to avoid estranging herself from the LGBT. Vote ) Crabbe has a record of voting against LGBT issues May was not originally a big supporter, but strongly supported gay rights issues more recently, though has been critisised recently over migrants and gay rights. Gove has been a quite passionate supporter of LGBT rights, gay marriage etc for a long time, and has consistently voted for LBGT friendly legislation ( often at variance with his own party )" This is about heading our departure from the EU, not a bunch of flag carriers  | |||
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"As per independent - Has Leadsom changed her mind about brexiting.....? In an apparent u-turn, she's called it an economic disaster..... Whatever next..?! Will this drive Gove back into second place...or has his reputation been irreparably tarnished..? This post feels like the intro to an episode of Adam West's Batman!" She hasn't actually said that. You are referring to a comment taken out of context from some time back. Having met the lady I can assure you she is one very sharp individual who is very committed to the UK outside of the EU and sees huge potential for this country. And unlike the others has actually negotiated multi million pound contracts and has worked in economics and finance all over Europe for British companies. She is a very polite and gentle person with a ready smile. But she has nerves of steel and I would rather have here negotiating than Theresea May ... | |||
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"Fox and Leaddon are both devout Christians; Fox strongly anti- gay/LBFT Rights ; has voted against ( or when it was embarrassing to be seen voting against, abstained) all LGBT legislation, also strongly anti abortion. Leadsom is against gay marriage, does not support KBGT issues, though when challenged, said she would vote both ways ( obviously to avoid estranging herself from the LGBT. Vote ) Crabbe has a record of voting against LGBT issues May was not originally a big supporter, but strongly supported gay rights issues more recently, though has been critisised recently over migrants and gay rights. Gove has been a quite passionate supporter of LGBT rights, gay marriage etc for a long time, and has consistently voted for LBGT friendly legislation ( often at variance with his own party ) This is about heading our departure from the EU, not a bunch of flag carriers "No it's not about heading our departure from the EU; It is about who will be Prime Minister, who has to do a wide range of things, running the country, and one of which ( an important kart) will be managing our exit. " Flag carriers?" No it's a snapshot of their personal _iews; of their integrity, of their inclusiveness. And if you read the post; I am implying, from their behaviors; those who might believe in something, and those who might choose their "beliefs " dependent on how they want to be seen . | |||
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"May is incompetent to the core, Gove is a snake who just stabbed his friend in the chest, I like Fox but most people can't see past a teeny weeny scandal. I also like Fox but he can never be PM as that teeny weeny scandal was a threat to the security of the UK No it wasn't. You don't need security clearance to tag along to meetings unless secure information is being transmitted. Security clearance is about transfer of information, not bumming people in hotel rooms Let’s remind ourselves what Fox did. He allowed his close friend and best man, Adam Werrity, to take up an unofficial and undeclared role in which he attended meetings at the Ministry of Defence without first obtaining security clearance. Werrity had access to Fox’s diary, printed business cards announcing himself as his advisor, and even joined him at meetings with foreign dignitaries. An investigation by then cabinet secretary Sir Gus O'Donnell found that Fox had shown a lack of judgement by blurring the lines between his official role and his personal friendships. His report concluded: “The disclosure outside the MoD of details about future visits overseas posed a degree of security risk not only to Dr Fox, but also to the accompanying official party.” He showed a worrying lack of judgement, and an even more concerning lack of remorse. He was right to resign his office; he is wrong to think he is owed a path back and most certainly, he is not PM material. Does anyone actually, truthfully think he will ever be PM after what he done? You don't need security clearance just to get on site with the MOD, security clearance is about the information you receive. A diary is not secret information! It was bad judgement but there's no security breach. ofcourse we all have opinions, you are entitled to yours, but I will tell you now in advance Both Gove and Fox will Never see a PM position. Well heaven help us if we have to put up with May and she runs the country like she did the Home Office " I agree but she is up front, I am backing the other lady in the fight possibly backers of Gove and Fox will fall back on Andréa Leadsom once gove & fox fall but I still suspect May will get in unfortunately, hope im wrong." So the first bout of Voting begins today at 11am, finishes at 5pm if I had a vote it would be Andréa Leadsom | |||
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No it's not about heading our departure from the EU;
It is about who will be Prime Minister, who has to do a wide range of things, running the country, and one of which ( an important kart) will be managing our exit.
" Flag carriers?" No it's a snapshot of their personal _iews; of their integrity, of their inclusiveness. And if you read the post; I am implying, from their behaviors; those who might believe in something, and those who might choose their "beliefs " dependent on how they want to be seen .
"Although your post is a bit questionable how "inclusive" you are towards people who are religious, anti-abortion or against gay marriage. It seems you've determined they are already wrong so it's ok to disregard their opinion, but if they did the same to you then you'd both be chucking the same labels and insults at each other! | |||
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"'Word is' (as they say) Andrea wasn't as good as others in front of the MPs yesterday but I thought her speech and Q & A when she launched her campaign was excellent. Passionate about her country, optimistic about our future and able to laugh at herself and with others. Given May's lead I hope the 4 lads drop out tomorrow rather than a drawn out whittling down and let the two ladies' names go to the membership. I cannot see the two Brexit names and their supporters going to support May as she was a 'Heads down Remainer'. Time isn't on our side and if everyone acts sensibly we can have a new PM in a fortnight. I hope it is Andrea but if it is May thats OK as long as Andrea leads the negotiations with the EU. And is the new Chancellor." What about May's track record suggests she'll be good? | |||
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"'Word is' (as they say) Andrea wasn't as good as others in front of the MPs yesterday but I thought her speech and Q & A when she launched her campaign was excellent. Passionate about her country, optimistic about our future and able to laugh at herself and with others. Given May's lead I hope the 4 lads drop out tomorrow rather than a drawn out whittling down and let the two ladies' names go to the membership. I cannot see the two Brexit names and their supporters going to support May as she was a 'Heads down Remainer'. Time isn't on our side and if everyone acts sensibly we can have a new PM in a fortnight. I hope it is Andrea but if it is May thats OK as long as Andrea leads the negotiations with the EU. And is the new Chancellor." In a fortnight? thought it was the 9th Sept | |||
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"'Word is' (as they say) Andrea wasn't as good as others in front of the MPs yesterday but I thought her speech and Q & A when she launched her campaign was excellent. Passionate about her country, optimistic about our future and able to laugh at herself and with others. Given May's lead I hope the 4 lads drop out tomorrow rather than a drawn out whittling down and let the two ladies' names go to the membership. I cannot see the two Brexit names and their supporters going to support May as she was a 'Heads down Remainer'. Time isn't on our side and if everyone acts sensibly we can have a new PM in a fortnight. I hope it is Andrea but if it is May thats OK as long as Andrea leads the negotiations with the EU. And is the new Chancellor. What about May's track record suggests she'll be good? " She has the track record and as I have said before she has the guts to take on a fight (as she did with the Police Federation). She will be a safe and reliable PM but she was part of the Remain campaign and that means she has baggage. I think those of us who spent weeks tramping streets, talking with people and delivering thousands of leaflets on behalf of Brexit will feel mightily ignored and angry if the new Government carries on as 'business as before' and the Civil Service is allowed to play the 'kick it into the long grass' game. You only have to read Hammond's (Foreign Secretary no less) comments yesterday to see the Establishment are already at it. The will of the people was asked for by Parliament. That will has been expressed. The new PM or very senior members of the Government, and certainly the negotiating team, must be 'Brexiters' as the task of leaving the EU with honour and a good deal must be seen to be carried forward with determination and speed. | |||
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"'Word is' (as they say) Andrea wasn't as good as others in front of the MPs yesterday but I thought her speech and Q & A when she launched her campaign was excellent. Passionate about her country, optimistic about our future and able to laugh at herself and with others. Given May's lead I hope the 4 lads drop out tomorrow rather than a drawn out whittling down and let the two ladies' names go to the membership. I cannot see the two Brexit names and their supporters going to support May as she was a 'Heads down Remainer'. Time isn't on our side and if everyone acts sensibly we can have a new PM in a fortnight. I hope it is Andrea but if it is May thats OK as long as Andrea leads the negotiations with the EU. And is the new Chancellor. In a fortnight? thought it was the 9th Sept" Sept 9th was the latest date given the number of candidates and the 'last one out' process before it goes to a winner takes all vote with the Membership. I am saying that timeframe can be shorter if the last 3 drop out immediately the MPs votes are cast. | |||
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"'Word is' (as they say) Andrea wasn't as good as others in front of the MPs yesterday but I thought her speech and Q & A when she launched her campaign was excellent. Passionate about her country, optimistic about our future and able to laugh at herself and with others. Given May's lead I hope the 4 lads drop out tomorrow rather than a drawn out whittling down and let the two ladies' names go to the membership. I cannot see the two Brexit names and their supporters going to support May as she was a 'Heads down Remainer'. Time isn't on our side and if everyone acts sensibly we can have a new PM in a fortnight. I hope it is Andrea but if it is May thats OK as long as Andrea leads the negotiations with the EU. And is the new Chancellor. What about May's track record suggests she'll be good? She has the track record and as I have said before she has the guts to take on a fight (as she did with the Police Federation). She will be a safe and reliable PM but she was part of the Remain campaign and that means she has baggage. I think those of us who spent weeks tramping streets, talking with people and delivering thousands of leaflets on behalf of Brexit will feel mightily ignored and angry if the new Government carries on as 'business as before' and the Civil Service is allowed to play the 'kick it into the long grass' game. You only have to read Hammond's (Foreign Secretary no less) comments yesterday to see the Establishment are already at it. The will of the people was asked for by Parliament. That will has been expressed. The new PM or very senior members of the Government, and certainly the negotiating team, must be 'Brexiters' as the task of leaving the EU with honour and a good deal must be seen to be carried forward with determination and speed." So when you say "good track record" does that mean you don't care about paying nearly a billion pounds for a home office system that didn't work (eborders) or the fact that the Emergency Service Network procurement was so badly run that they couldn't even get multiple companies to compete for the contract and ensure value for money for the taxpayer. | |||
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"As I predicted ages ago, when Cameron goes we will see that despite him being the worst PM in living memory, the Tories have no-one credible to replace him. When people are talking seriously about Leadsom, Crabb, Gove and disgraced former minister Liam Fox as candidates for PM, and Theresa May is the only 'decent' choice...oh boy! "Are you forgetting Tony Blair and Gordon Brown when you call Cameron the worst PM in living memory | |||
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"'Word is' (as they say) Andrea wasn't as good as others in front of the MPs yesterday but I thought her speech and Q & A when she launched her campaign was excellent. Passionate about her country, optimistic about our future and able to laugh at herself and with others. Given May's lead I hope the 4 lads drop out tomorrow rather than a drawn out whittling down and let the two ladies' names go to the membership. I cannot see the two Brexit names and their supporters going to support May as she was a 'Heads down Remainer'. Time isn't on our side and if everyone acts sensibly we can have a new PM in a fortnight. I hope it is Andrea but if it is May thats OK as long as Andrea leads the negotiations with the EU. And is the new Chancellor. What about May's track record suggests she'll be good? She has the track record and as I have said before she has the guts to take on a fight (as she did with the Police Federation). She will be a safe and reliable PM but she was part of the Remain campaign and that means she has baggage. I think those of us who spent weeks tramping streets, talking with people and delivering thousands of leaflets on behalf of Brexit will feel mightily ignored and angry if the new Government carries on as 'business as before' and the Civil Service is allowed to play the 'kick it into the long grass' game. You only have to read Hammond's (Foreign Secretary no less) comments yesterday to see the Establishment are already at it. The will of the people was asked for by Parliament. That will has been expressed. The new PM or very senior members of the Government, and certainly the negotiating team, must be 'Brexiters' as the task of leaving the EU with honour and a good deal must be seen to be carried forward with determination and speed. So when you say "good track record" does that mean you don't care about paying nearly a billion pounds for a home office system that didn't work (eborders) or the fact that the Emergency Service Network procurement was so badly run that they couldn't even get multiple companies to compete for the contract and ensure value for money for the taxpayer. " Forgive me mentioning it but I didn't actually say she 'had a good track record'... | |||
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Are you forgetting Tony Blair and Gordon Brown when you call Cameron the worst PM in living memory"You forgot Jim Callaghan or am I showing my age? | |||
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"As I predicted ages ago, when Cameron goes we will see that despite him being the worst PM in living memory, the Tories have no-one credible to replace him. When people are talking seriously about Leadsom, Crabb, Gove and disgraced former minister Liam Fox as candidates for PM, and Theresa May is the only 'decent' choice...oh boy!
You must either be very young and werent around or very old and have memory problems if you have forgotten T B liar and gordon "bigot" Brown
If you can point to any fuck up either of them has made that approaches the scale of magnitude that the Brexit fiasco represents for the country, I'm all ears.
Sold all our gold of for pennies, increased the nations debt, cost the lives of 400 plus soldiers from an illegal war and which directly caused us to be targets for isis etc.hows that for starters
In ten years time brexit will be seen as the best thing we have done for many many years
For starters? That's not even close!
Personally I think Blair should be on trial for war crimes, but Cameron? He's destroyed the economic and social future of this country, and we'll be feeling the effect for tens of generations.
He's sealed his position as the worst prime minister of two centuries. Even Neville Chamberlain didn't fuck up as badly as him."You are fucking deluded if you think that giving the people a referendum they asked for and indeed voted for his party based on the fact he would give that referendum is classed as a worse decision than taking us into an illegal war or signing a so called peace deal with a man who went on to kill 6 million jews | |||
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" What about May's track record suggests she'll be good? She has the track record Forgive me mentioning it but I didn't actually say she 'had a good track record'... " So what exactly do you think of her overall track record as a minister? | |||
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"Fox and Leaddon are both devout Christians; Fox strongly anti- gay/LBFT Rights ; has voted against ( or when it was embarrassing to be seen voting against, abstained) all LGBT legislation, also strongly anti abortion. Leadsom is against gay marriage, does not support KBGT issues, though when challenged, said she would vote both ways ( obviously to avoid estranging herself from the LGBT. Vote ) Crabbe has a record of voting against LGBT issues May was not originally a big supporter, but strongly supported gay rights issues more recently, though has been critisised recently over migrants and gay rights. Gove has been a quite passionate supporter of LGBT rights, gay marriage etc for a long time, and has consistently voted for LBGT friendly legislation ( often at variance with his own party ) This is about heading our departure from the EU, not a bunch of flag carriers
No it's not about heading our departure from the EU;
It is about who will be Prime Minister, who has to do a wide range of things, running the country, and one of which ( an important kart) will be managing our exit.
" Flag carriers?" No it's a snapshot of their personal _iews; of their integrity, of their inclusiveness. And if you read the post; I am implying, from their behaviors; those who might believe in something, and those who might choose their "beliefs " dependent on how they want to be seen .
"The next PM will be responsible for leading our departure from the EU. That is far more important than your bigoted _iews on religion. | |||
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" What about May's track record suggests she'll be good? She has the track record Forgive me mentioning it but I didn't actually say she 'had a good track record'... So what exactly do you think of her overall track record as a minister? " Why ask me? All I have said is she will be OK as a PM although I have another preference. We are discussing Andrea Leadsom on this Thread. I believe she will make an excellent PM being a new face with no baggage, a brilliant Brexit campaigner, a very positive outlook on our future, has tremendous experience in trade and finance and has some excellent ideas on Social Justice. She is also someone who left a comfortable private life to start charities to help early learning and further those causes by becoming an MP. Google 'Early Years Intervention'. She also founded, with others, and drove the 'Fresh Start' group of MPs to campaign to leave the EU and funded research to show the positives of that decision. She is very much a conviction politician rather than the 'same old' that the other candidates (except Crabbe) represent. To me it will be very dangerous for the country if we ended up with a non-Brexit PM who then kicks negotiations into the long grass as the Civil Service and has beens like Hammond and Clark want. Maybe I just answered your question after all. | |||
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" What about May's track record suggests she'll be good? She has the track record Forgive me mentioning it but I didn't actually say she 'had a good track record'... So what exactly do you think of her overall track record as a minister? Why ask me? All I have said is she will be OK as a PM although I have another preference. We are discussing Andrea Leadsom on this Thread. I believe she will make an excellent PM being a new face with no baggage, a brilliant Brexit campaigner, a very positive outlook on our future, has tremendous experience in trade and finance and has some excellent ideas on Social Justice. She is also someone who left a comfortable private life to start charities to help early learning and further those causes by becoming an MP. Google 'Early Years Intervention'. She also founded, with others, and drove the 'Fresh Start' group of MPs to campaign to leave the EU and funded research to show the positives of that decision. She is very much a conviction politician rather than the 'same old' that the other candidates (except Crabbe) represent. To me it will be very dangerous for the country if we ended up with a non-Brexit PM who then kicks negotiations into the long grass as the Civil Service and has beens like Hammond and Clark want. Maybe I just answered your question after all." Yup! Personally I think May is thoroughly incompetent and Gove is an arse too. I'd be happy with anyone but those two and I enjoyed reading your points about Leadsom as I knew next to nothing about her so cheers for that. | |||
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"She's a homophobic bigot, against gay people being able to marry - so I think she's one of the last people I'd want leading this country for ALL of us. Her CV has been creatively modified, so there are huge doubts about her suitability. Anyone else would be up for fraud. Limited useful experience, even if the lies were true. And that's thinking positively " What exactly has she done or said that is homophobic? (genuine question) | |||
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"She's a homophobic bigot, against gay people being able to marry - so I think she's one of the last people I'd want leading this country for ALL of us. Her CV has been creatively modified, so there are huge doubts about her suitability. Anyone else would be up for fraud. Limited useful experience, even if the lies were true. And that's thinking positively " No offence intended but I consider a marriage to be between man and woman, always have, always will, I disapprove of man on man or female on female getting married or a female getting married to themselves, I don't consider myself to be homophobic but do consider marriage to be simply a man and woman sharing their vows together. Now that you can marry yourself, it is absolutely crazy, next we will see marriage between human and pet, where does it bloody stop | |||
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"She's a homophobic bigot, against gay people being able to marry - so I think she's one of the last people I'd want leading this country for ALL of us." What a totally ignorant and misinforming comment to make! The lady has NEVER made any homophobic statements at all. But hey please do go find some copy ... You are misrepresenting the fact that she ABSTAINED (not voted against) in the Gay Marriage debate. She is a deeply religious person and was conflicted in what she could support. She has written very clearly that she supports people's rights to respect regardless of sexuality so she would not vote against freedom of choice but on religious grounds she could not vote for it. She has as much right to her religious convictions as Elton John does to marry his boyfriend. " Her CV has been creatively modified, so there are huge doubts about her suitability. Anyone else would be up for fraud. " No it hasn't! She published it and then in THIS inter_iew responded to that challenge. Sometimes people who do not know what they are talking about assume one thing means another. "Working for a Fund Manager" does not mean she managed funds ...for example. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-36736091 " Limited useful experience, even if the lies were true. And that's thinking positively " No that is slanderous and bigotted thinking - IMHO. She worked outside politics for many years and that is far more useful than existing in the Westminster bubble. She used her private money and time to set up charities to improve the life chances of very young children. Work that has been recognised as crucial for the development of people in later life. What you really dislike is the fact she was a brilliant spokeswoman for Brexit right?.... | |||
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"She's a homophobic bigot, against gay people being able to marry - so I think she's one of the last people I'd want leading this country for ALL of us. Her CV has been creatively modified, so there are huge doubts about her suitability. Anyone else would be up for fraud. Limited useful experience, even if the lies were true. And that's thinking positively No offence intended but I consider a marriage to be between man and woman, always have, always will, I disapprove of man on man or female on female getting married or a female getting married to themselves, I don't consider myself to be homophobic but do consider marriage to be simply a man and woman sharing their vows together. Now that you can marry yourself, it is absolutely crazy, next we will see marriage between human and pet, where does it bloody stop Marriage was invented by the church to make money, it is not a requirement of christianity. Using the phrase 'no offence intended' is just an attempt at a get out of jail free card - it does not work." well if it's just a way to make money why does anyone want to get married? | |||
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"She's a homophobic bigot, against gay people being able to marry - so I think she's one of the last people I'd want leading this country for ALL of us. Her CV has been creatively modified, so there are huge doubts about her suitability. Anyone else would be up for fraud. Limited useful experience, even if the lies were true. And that's thinking positively No offence intended but I consider a marriage to be between man and woman, always have, always will, I disapprove of man on man or female on female getting married or a female getting married to themselves, I don't consider myself to be homophobic but do consider marriage to be simply a man and woman sharing their vows together. Now that you can marry yourself, it is absolutely crazy, next we will see marriage between human and pet, where does it bloody stop Marriage was invented by the church to make money, it is not a requirement of christianity. Using the phrase 'no offence intended' is just an attempt at a get out of jail free card - it does not work." In fact early christianity promoted celibacy over marriage. So a genious strategy for growing a religion.... | |||
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"And on Mrs Leadsom and the media we seem to be seeing a hatchet job being mounted by Murdoch who supports Theresa May. The Times today has published a very distorted article which purports Leadsom said that because she was a Mother 'she had an edge over May' ... when she very clearly said the opposite. And it is here: Rachel Sylvester: "Do you feel like a mum in politics?" Andrea Leadsom: "Yes. So... RS: "Why and how?" AL: "So really carefully because I am sure, I don't really know Theresa very well but I am sure she will be really really sad she doesn't have children so I don't want this to be 'Andrea has children, Theresa hasn't' because I think that would be really horrible." That is as reported by the BBC this morning having copied the notes made at the time. Politics is a very dirty game but this is pretty disgusting stuff from the Times. " Nothing distorted in the report. They have now released the tape. Leadsom is not up to the job based on her understanding of economics. Some of her utterances are astonishing. I'm no fan of May but at least she is competent and experienced. She will make fewer mistakes of lesser consequence which is actually as good as you can wish for. | |||
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"And on Mrs Leadsom and the media we seem to be seeing a hatchet job being mounted by Murdoch who supports Theresa May. The Times today has published a very distorted article which purports Leadsom said that because she was a Mother 'she had an edge over May' ... when she very clearly said the opposite. And it is here: Rachel Sylvester: "Do you feel like a mum in politics?" Andrea Leadsom: "Yes. So... RS: "Why and how?" AL: "So really carefully because I am sure, I don't really know Theresa very well but I am sure she will be really really sad she doesn't have children so I don't want this to be 'Andrea has children, Theresa hasn't' because I think that would be really horrible." That is as reported by the BBC this morning having copied the notes made at the time. Politics is a very dirty game but this is pretty disgusting stuff from the Times. Nothing distorted in the report. They have now released the tape. Leadsom is not up to the job based on her understanding of economics. Some of her utterances are astonishing. I'm no fan of May but at least she is competent and experienced. She will make fewer mistakes of lesser consequence which is actually as good as you can wish for. " For goodness sake, there's nothing in May's track record to suggest she's competent, you're just repeating whatever you've read else where. She was terrible in the home office. Please name one member of the cabinet or shadow cabinet who has demonstrated a solid understanding of economics? One of the fundamental problems of career politicians is that they can't relate their theory to any real experience and hence they are useless at economics. | |||
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"Yep, the tape recording is awful - saying it would be horrible to make political capital out of the fact May was childless and then going on to do precisely that. Her denials sound implausible now. She's done I think " She may well be 'done' and if so it is a victory for the media over process. And the country will have lost someone with real potential. Maybe this is too soon for her who knows (Cameron was never even IN Government when elected Leader) but for the media to be creating the result rather than, as they should be, reporting events is something very worrying for democrats. Ever thought by saying 'her children' she was talking in a wider sens meaning 'all children' and making the point that we cannot wait 10 years because the next generation are here now and need something to look forward to out of Brexit. Which of course May didn't want lets remember. | |||
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"And the country will have lost someone with real potential." She'll get a cabinet position out of this in an attempt to reunify the party | |||
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"I think she's made a complete tit of herself over the I'm a mother issue, and she states for the sake of animal welfare she will seek to reintroduce hunting foxes etc again, for those two things alone I pray she gets no where. " | |||
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"You can certainly see why she gives white middle aged tories a hard on" And Anne Widdicombe, apparently. She's gushing about her being the new Maggie she's been wishing for for the last 30 years. | |||
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" As much as the Labour party gets it in the neck for their members electing Corbyn at least the electorate is bigger than my local authority area. The Tory party electorate is about half the size of my local authority area.
There was an interesting look at her CV on Radio 4 this evening.
If I gave my CV a similar level of embellishments I could be seen as a decent contender for the role. "£25 to join and you get access to their website with some good info, I joined when the Scottish Independence referendum was on going and just renew membership, not all members are conservative voters | |||
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"She's a charlatan, a lightweight and self-serving. She's not in it for the everyday person in the country. So she's more of what the people voted to get rid of in the referendum. But she's been saying the right things for the swivel eyed lot who're the conservative members to hear. She's doing her spin activity for them, as it's not the general public voting. Anti-gay marriage etc, all the stuff to get the old dears frothing orgasmically. And she seems pretty stupid. If I'd her brains and work experience I'd have just lied and said I was a housewife on the dole. " I got as far as 'swivel eyed' and lost interest .... | |||
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"She's a charlatan, a lightweight and self-serving. She's not in it for the everyday person in the country. So she's more of what the people voted to get rid of in the referendum. But she's been saying the right things for the swivel eyed lot who're the conservative members to hear. She's doing her spin activity for them, as it's not the general public voting. Anti-gay marriage etc, all the stuff to get the old dears frothing orgasmically. And she seems pretty stupid. If I'd her brains and work experience I'd have just lied and said I was a housewife on the dole. " What has she done to you? She's doing something right. | |||
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"Leadsom wants barbaric blood sport.. Fox hunting back. Surely in this age a needless backward pm called tradition belongs in history books " I still shoot foxes, not as many as deer but it is a requirement | |||
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"Leadsom wants barbaric blood sport.. Fox hunting back. Surely in this age a needless backward pm called tradition belongs in history books I still shoot foxes, not as many as deer but it is a requirement" If they bring back bear baiting I wont need to shoot foxes anymore. | |||
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"Leadsom wants barbaric blood sport.. Fox hunting back. Surely in this age a needless backward pm called tradition belongs in history books I still shoot foxes, not as many as deer but it is a requirement" better than tormenting the animals and chasing them for ages.. At least a gun whigbh i don't agree with either is more humain.. | |||
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"BBC saying she may withdraw her candidacy" Sounds like it. If unable to handle the press attention on what ypu say about your life then she may well have struggled with being PM at a time when under scrutiny for everything. | |||
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"BBC saying she may withdraw her candidacy Sounds like it. If unable to handle the press attention on what ypu say about your life then she may well have struggled with being PM at a time when under scrutiny for everything." I totally accept your point but when there has been little or no discussion or focus on her policies, ambitions and what she can bring to the job and the Times basically carried out a hatchet job over her personal life and pride in being a mum while the BBC banged on about'inexperience' then this will be a victory for the Establishment media. Democracy by media is where we want to be? As I have said before: When the media creates the political events rather than reporting on those events created by the people concerned then that is a sad day for democracy. | |||
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"BBC saying she may withdraw her candidacy Sounds like it. If unable to handle the press attention on what ypu say about your life then she may well have struggled with being PM at a time when under scrutiny for everything. I totally accept your point but when there has been little or no discussion or focus on her policies, ambitions and what she can bring to the job and the Times basically carried out a hatchet job over her personal life and pride in being a mum while the BBC banged on about'inexperience' then this will be a victory for the Establishment media. Democracy by media is where we want to be? As I have said before: When the media creates the political events rather than reporting on those events created by the people concerned then that is a sad day for democracy." I think you can see I have previously expressed that this should only ever be about their policies and platform. I don't accept the hatchet job tropes being rolled out about The Times. She brought it in and then backed away from it with Tim whatshisface trying to spin it in every direction. | |||
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"BBC saying she may withdraw her candidacy Sounds like it. If unable to handle the press attention on what ypu say about your life then she may well have struggled with being PM at a time when under scrutiny for everything." That she apologised to May and tried to back track on what she actually said as reported on the audio released will have caused her camp to look again at whether she was of the right calibre and or ready now if at all to be PM.. She has just stepped down.. | |||
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" I don't accept the hatchet job tropes being rolled out about The Times. She brought it in and then backed away from it with Tim whatshisface trying to spin it in every direction." The Times reporter kept on and on about her children. And eventually Leadsome responded with (and I quote for clarity): "So really carefully because I am sure, I don't really know Theresa very well but I am sure she will be really really sad she doesn't have children so I don't want this to be 'Andrea has children, Theresa hasn't' because I think that would be really horrible." THAT was not reported by the Times (although it was by the BBC) and if you red the article and then read the inter_iew transcript one bears NO relation to the other. You can see how appalled AL was after it was published and how quickly she apologised to May. As I said before maybe AL was not PM material, maybe she was inexperienced and maybe May was abetter choice but AL was entitled to a fair run under the rules of her party. Thanks to some vicious media activity she has been denied that right and we quite possibly have been denied a fresh new start to our politics. Sadly it looks like same shit different day in British politics. | |||
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"BBC saying she may withdraw her candidacy Sounds like it. If unable to handle the press attention on what ypu say about your life then she may well have struggled with being PM at a time when under scrutiny for everything. That she apologised to May and tried to back track on what she actually said as reported on the audio released will have caused her camp to look again at whether she was of the right calibre and or ready now if at all to be PM.. She has just stepped down.." That she apologised to May for any offence caused even though none was intended shows the decency of the lady. And she did not backtrack at all. Her words were totally misrepresented and the key paragraph that formed the introduction to her comments (quoted above) was NOT reported by the Times. This was nothing short of a Murdoch hatchet job to make sure the 'right' PM was put in place to look after the Establshed Interests... | |||
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"BBC saying she may withdraw her candidacy Sounds like it. If unable to handle the press attention on what ypu say about your life then she may well have struggled with being PM at a time when under scrutiny for everything. That she apologised to May and tried to back track on what she actually said as reported on the audio released will have caused her camp to look again at whether she was of the right calibre and or ready now if at all to be PM.. She has just stepped down.. That she apologised to May for any offence caused even though none was intended shows the decency of the lady. And she did not backtrack at all. Her words were totally misrepresented and the key paragraph that formed the introduction to her comments (quoted above) was NOT reported by the Times. This was nothing short of a Murdoch hatchet job to make sure the 'right' PM was put in place to look after the Establshed Interests..." Would you want a person in charge of the country who apologise's when they know they have done nothing wrong? Most people can see and heard what she said if your able to look objectively it's crystal clear.. I think there was more scrutiny coming and she has done the right thing now rather than have to later.. | |||
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" She has just stepped down.. That she apologised to May for any offence caused even though none was intended shows the decency of the lady. And she did not backtrack at all. Her words were totally misrepresented and the key paragraph that formed the introduction to her comments (quoted above) was NOT reported by the Times. This was nothing short of a Murdoch hatchet job to make sure the 'right' PM was put in place to look after the Establshed Interests..." If it was, it was because Leadsom was under qualified and obviously not up to the rigour of the position (not that Murdoch has has any interests other than his own). If it wasn't, Murdoch was more than vocal in his support for Brexit, so why he wouldn't support a right wing, anti gay, ultra-family, Christain, fox hunting, isolationist PM like leadsom??  | |||
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" If it was, it was because Leadsom was under qualified and obviously not up to the rigour of the position (not that Murdoch has has any interests other than his own). If it wasn't, Murdoch was more than vocal in his support for Brexit, so why he wouldn't support a right wing, anti gay, ultra-family, Christain, fox hunting, isolationist PM like leadsom?? " Forgive me for mentioning it but The Times was fiercely in the 'Remain' camp .... And that is a total lie to say Leadsom is 'anti-gay'. She has never made ANY anti-Gay statements and in fact supported people's rights to choose as they wish. Because of her Christian beliefs (you know those really unacceptable things that are so offensive to the North London Lefties) she chose to Abstain in a debate on same sex marriage. She did not speak against it or for it. She Abstained out of conscience. Something she has a right to do. It is also rather stupid to say she is 'isolationist' when she campaigned for the UK to leave the political project that is the EU (which creates protective tariffs around itself to the detriment of the rest of the world's traders) and open up this country to the rest of the world. Since when was global trading 'isolationist'? And since when was being ultra-family and Christian reasons to exclude someone from being a PM? Cameron is both. As was Blair but that may have just destroyed my argument! So that leaves fox-hunting on which we agree ... Still 1 out of 6 ... | |||
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"The 53-year-old former banker and fund manager was a former district councillor, she became MP for South Northamptonshire in 2010 and - after serving as a junior Treasury minister and as a member of the Treasury select committee - she was made a junior minister in the energy and climate change department in May last year. The more I read of the scandals which involve Teresa May and Dr Liam Fox, the more I think Andrea Leadsom is the lady for the job of PM. Dr Liam Fox simply cannot be appointed due to the disgrace and breech he caused as former defence secretary, Teresa May has to many red hot poker scandals due to previous failed positions and her G4s involvement. Michael Gove, the slithering back stabbing snake of a man has said himself on various TV inter_iews that he does not have the ability for leadership The more you read into the scandals the more I believe Andrea Leadsom may be the next Iron Lady for PM." a little ironic to read now | |||
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"Great how she makes such a speech on a door step too lol What a contender. ...like Cameron did when he resigned?.... Come on is that the best you can do?" Would when May and Leadsom found out they were the final two be helpful? May was making a speech looking forward to the race and setting out plans outside the commons. Leadsoms quip was 'you can see party members dont have to reply on positive discrimination'. She lives up to her stereotype completely - that her ability falls as short as her skirt and as high as her heels. Any member associated with the out campaign is now a failure. | |||
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" She lives up to her stereotype completely - that her ability falls as short as her skirt and as high as her heels. Thats a very sexist comment you make there." If you didn't guess, it was meant to be. She used her femininity to win hearts throughout, now it has back fired. She thought she could hit on the front bench of politics as she did in her pay-role position of business and realised she was way out of her depth. She played on the mother role all the way through the Out campaign and now it has bitten her on the arse when she realised she is held accountable for what she says in office. She can no longer use her looks to get ahead, she can no longer rely on her smiles to win favours. She simply looks vacant and her ad-hoc quotes are a reflection of this. Her out campaign is a reflection of her wanting a job in cabinet not PM I'd say. | |||
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Her opinion of women who cant bare children was abhorrent. I think it is quite a qualified answer really. "Excuse me? Exactly what opinion of women who can't bear children was that then? Care to give us a quote and source? But you approve of sexist remarks then? Or only when attacking a Brexiter .. like we are called racist and xenophobic and Little Englanders. I didn't think we could see any more disgusting abuse from the Toy throwers but here we are again ... | |||
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" Her opinion of women who cant bare children was abhorrent. I think it is quite a qualified answer really. Excuse me? Exactly what opinion of women who can't bear children was that then? Care to give us a quote and source? But you approve of sexist remarks then? Or only when attacking a Brexiter .. like we are called racist and xenophobic and Little Englanders. I didn't think we could see any more disgusting abuse from the Toy throwers but here we are again ... "She attacked May who is known not to be able to be have children, and put this into the political picture. She brought family into the campaign directly quoting Theresa. It was a low blow and one that cannot be condoned. "I don't want this to be 'Andrea has children, Theresa hasn't' because I think that would be really horrible. But genuinely I feel being a mum means you have a very real stake in the future of our country, a tangible stake. She possibly has nieces, nephews, lots of people, but I have children, who are going to have children, who will directly be a part of what happens next". http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-36752865 What is more humorous is the Brexit campaign YOU now shoulder, that of little Englanders (and the rest) is something the Brexit campaign stirred up itself. YOU divided a nation based on immigration so any attachments you receive are hardly anyones doing but your own. You voted a campaign in on the posters of Farage at the endorsement of Boris and Gove. Leadsom has received a taste of her own medicine due to her remarks, handed down from the country and political circles (no doubt asked to step down). Little Englanders - you have to admit, you may have well have voted for a puff of smoke! | |||
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"Why has this lady suddenly become an alleged anti establishment figure...? Simply a case of poor PR or is she divisive in the way - albeit at a smaller scale - to Jeremy corbyn..? Wonder if the Tory members will go against the parliamentary party..." No, they understand how to remain in power. Tories get over their public spats quickly in order to maintain that power. | |||
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"i think this is the first time i have ever heard an inter_iew sound worse than the actual transcript... i think that was what the issue was.... she dared them to do it thinking they wouldn't, once they did she had no comeback...." Her comments throughout, once down to the final two sounded more liken to Boris. Where she was actively trying to incite or make impromptu remarks that would 'discredit' her from the race gracefully, but have her appeal as someone that appeals as the everyday woman - the Corbyn of the Conservatives. There seems to be more inter_iews than ever done on the street or getting into taxis than ever before. | |||
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"i think this is the first time i have ever heard an inter_iew sound worse than the actual transcript... i think that was what the issue was.... she dared them to do it thinking they wouldn't, once they did she had no comeback.... Her comments throughout, once down to the final two sounded more liken to Boris. Where she was actively trying to incite or make impromptu remarks that would 'discredit' her from the race gracefully, but have her appeal as someone that appeals as the everyday woman - the Corbyn of the Conservatives. There seems to be more inter_iews than ever done on the street or getting into taxis than ever before. " Ask a fellow forumite...hes met her | |||
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"i think this is the first time i have ever heard an inter_iew sound worse than the actual transcript... i think that was what the issue was.... she dared them to do it thinking they wouldn't, once they did she had no comeback.... Her comments throughout, once down to the final two sounded more liken to Boris. Where she was actively trying to incite or make impromptu remarks that would 'discredit' her from the race gracefully, but have her appeal as someone that appeals as the everyday woman - the Corbyn of the Conservatives. There seems to be more inter_iews than ever done on the street or getting into taxis than ever before. Ask a fellow forumite...hes met her "That was nearly clever ... but not quite. And really. Is that the best you people can come up with? | |||
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"i think this is the first time i have ever heard an inter_iew sound worse than the actual transcript... i think that was what the issue was.... she dared them to do it thinking they wouldn't, once they did she had no comeback.... Her comments throughout, once down to the final two sounded more liken to Boris. Where she was actively trying to incite or make impromptu remarks that would 'discredit' her from the race gracefully, but have her appeal as someone that appeals as the everyday woman - the Corbyn of the Conservatives. There seems to be more inter_iews than ever done on the street or getting into taxis than ever before. Ask a fellow forumite...hes met her
That was nearly clever ... but not quite. And really. Is that the best you people can come up with?"Not quite Carling eh | |||
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"i think this is the first time i have ever heard an inter_iew sound worse than the actual transcript... i think that was what the issue was.... she dared them to do it thinking they wouldn't, once they did she had no comeback.... Her comments throughout, once down to the final two sounded more liken to Boris. Where she was actively trying to incite or make impromptu remarks that would 'discredit' her from the race gracefully, but have her appeal as someone that appeals as the everyday woman - the Corbyn of the Conservatives. There seems to be more inter_iews than ever done on the street or getting into taxis than ever before. Ask a fellow forumite...hes met her
That was nearly clever ... but not quite. And really. Is that the best you people can come up with?
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"LOL *Meltdown*" not that i am one to gloat... but the look on IDS's face when they tried to inter_iew him afterwards was particually priceless for me.... I genuinely thought he was going to swear or punch someone... | |||
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"Breaking News: "The RAF have been ordered to send more toys to the Remainers. Their prams are dangerously short of throwing material.." "Its not breaking news...its old news...YOU used it 5hrs ago on another thread....get the Carling in | |||
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"Breaking News: "The RAF have been ordered to send more toys to the Remainers. Their prams are dangerously short of throwing material.."
Its not breaking news...its old news...YOU used it 5hrs ago on another thread....get the Carling in "Different timezone ... Heinekens on you .. | |||
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"Breaking News: "The RAF have been ordered to send more toys to the Remainers. Their prams are dangerously short of throwing material.." "For heavens sake! What sort of level of debate is that? To paraphrase Ian Hislop, when an election is lost you don't stop discussing the things for campaigned for and debate that just agrees with the winners doesn't move us forward. If you really just want to ensure that we continue to be totally polarised on the issue of leaving, even after the event, then carry on. Otherwise, try and be gracious in your success and bring people on side. | |||
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"Breaking News: "The RAF have been ordered to send more toys to the Remainers. Their prams are dangerously short of throwing material.." "With this sort of response one would surmise that you have not grasped that there is no more remain or leave now.. We are all on the path to leaving, get used to it perhaps? If your under the impression that it's only those who were in the remain camp prior to the vote who have concerns now then that's a strange and somewhat blinkered outlook.. | |||
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"Breaking News: "The RAF have been ordered to send more toys to the Remainers. Their prams are dangerously short of throwing material.."
Its not breaking news...its old news...YOU used it 5hrs ago on another thread....get the Carling in
Different timezone ... Heinekens on you .. "Oh and 3hrs ago....im beginning to think you like using that term | |||
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" Her opinion of women who cant bare children was abhorrent. I think it is quite a qualified answer really. Excuse me? Exactly what opinion of women who can't bear children was that then? Care to give us a quote and source? But you approve of sexist remarks then? Or only when attacking a Brexiter .. like we are called racist and xenophobic and Little Englanders. I didn't think we could see any more disgusting abuse from the Toy throwers but here we are again ...
She attacked May who is known not to be able to be have children, and put this into the political picture. She brought family into the campaign directly quoting Theresa. It was a low blow and one that cannot be condoned.
"I don't want this to be 'Andrea has children, Theresa hasn't' because I think that would be really horrible.
But genuinely I feel being a mum means you have a very real stake in the future of our country, a tangible stake.
She possibly has nieces, nephews, lots of people, but I have children, who are going to have children, who will directly be a part of what happens next".
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-36752865
What is more humorous is the Brexit campaign YOU now shoulder, that of little Englanders (and the rest) is something the Brexit campaign stirred up itself. YOU divided a nation based on immigration so any attachments you receive are hardly anyones doing but your own. You voted a campaign in on the posters of Farage at the endorsement of Boris and Gove. Leadsom has received a taste of her own medicine due to her remarks, handed down from the country and political circles (no doubt asked to step down). Little Englanders - you have to admit, you may have well have voted for a puff of smoke! ""I don't want this to be 'Andrea has children, Theresa hasn't..." And from that point onwards she was absolutely about making it 'Andrea has children Theresa hasn't...' in the most snidely passively aggressive tone Hung by the rope she fastened into a noose (and helped by Louise Mensch) | |||
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"Will she fairly quietly fade into the obscurity she deserves?
She'll be given a role.
"I wouldn't be so sure, with her display of ineptitude coupled with the jazzed up CV and those tax inconsistencies still to surface a minor role to keep the Attilas placated maybe but chancellor/foreign/home have sailed | |||
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"Will she fairly quietly fade into the obscurity she deserves?
She'll be given a role.
I wouldn't be so sure, with her display of ineptitude coupled with the jazzed up CV and those tax inconsistencies still to surface a minor role to keep the Attilas placated maybe but chancellor/foreign/home have sailed "She won't be given one of the plum jobs but I don't think she'll end up working under Fox (if it's him) in the new Exit role. She may well end up somewhere like Minister for Civil Society or somewhere in DCLG. | |||
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"David Davies is the name I've heard being bandied around for the Brexit Department. Leadsom is about to suffer more revelations about her false CV. It appears that she was nowhere near the level she has claimed, and was infact a part-time administrator (albeit a senior one) with absolutely no responsibility for managing money or people." That was covered on R4 on Saturday evening. Her boss from that time stated he believes in the truth and was appalled to read her claims of what she done. | |||
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"David Davies is the name I've heard being bandied around for the Brexit Department. Leadsom is about to suffer more revelations about her false CV. It appears that she was nowhere near the level she has claimed, and was infact a part-time administrator (albeit a senior one) with absolutely no responsibility for managing money or people. That was covered on R4 on Saturday evening. Her boss from that time stated he believes in the truth and was appalled to read her claims of what she done. " There is a record of a speech she made in parliament that has been dug out, where she clearly states that she had deliberately forsaken a career with too much responsibility in order to be a mother. I would imagine that (had she carried on) the list of falsehoods would grow and grow. | |||
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