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"So, in spite of the mess around us who has changed their purchasing and is buying more British? So many things that were non British now have a British version, so no excuse not to support our own businesses - Champagne, Wine, Cheese, Charcuterie, Apples, Pears, Cider, Beer, etc... Let's help British businesses be succesful and promote jobs here "And what will you do when its out of season ? | |||
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"So, in spite of the mess around us who has changed their purchasing and is buying more British? So many things that were non British now have a British version, so no excuse not to support our own businesses - Champagne, Wine, Cheese, Charcuterie, Apples, Pears, Cider, Beer, etc... Let's help British businesses be succesful and promote jobs here "Well in answer to our question - we have! We will never agree that Leave is a good plan, but lets make the most of it. That means not buying VW, Audi, Skoda, Renault, Fiat, Alfa et al and instead going with products manufactured in the UK. | |||
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"What if the British equivalent is more expensive and worse quality, would you still buy it ?" Going forward the answer has to be yes! The alternative is British jobs lost and higher unemployment, so it might cost more but that is how we have voted... | |||
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"britain needs to produce something other than hollow words and disenchantment first" Wow, that is really quite bitter... | |||
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"That means not buying VW, Audi, Skoda, Renault, Fiat, Alfa et al and instead going with products manufactured in the UK." I don't know how ignorant of supply chains you are but how does boycotting vw/audi/skoda help uk engineers like gkn/bodycote/trifast fill their order books? | |||
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"So, in spite of the mess around us who has changed their purchasing and is buying more British? So many things that were non British now have a British version, so no excuse not to support our own businesses - Champagne, Wine, Cheese, Charcuterie, Apples, Pears, Cider, Beer, etc... Let's help British businesses be succesful and promote jobs here "I will buy what is value for money, even more so now as I'm unsure about my financial future. British goods tend to be more expensive and poorer quality. | |||
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"So why is negativity so much more interesting than being positive and doing the right thing for the UK economy? " I retire in five months on two private pensions. I have to wait another nine for my state one. My plan was to sell up and move out of London. As it is now I'll have to watch and see what happens and be very careful with my money. That means buying what is the best value for money. If it's British, I'll buy it, if it's not I won't. | |||
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"That means not buying VW, Audi, Skoda, Renault, Fiat, Alfa et al and instead going with products manufactured in the UK. I don't know how ignorant of supply chains you are but how does boycotting vw/audi/skoda help uk engineers like gkn/bodycote/trifast fill their order books?" Deals will be hammered out with the likes of Germany because threy want to sell cars and the UK buys them in high numbers. The same with France and all of the others in the EU. Yes there might be a slight tarriff but then again the UK is paying into the EU to be able to deal tarriff free but with strings attached. They would not enpose too higher tarriffs as ther are a lot of other countries who can supply cars wine to the UK and woulkd be most happy too as tarriffs with them would be agreed or tgey would trade free as it makes good business sence and you don't have to have strings attached. | |||
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"britain needs to produce something other than hollow words and disenchantment first Wow, that is really quite bitter..." not bitter, just the reality of what britain has been built on for the last 40 years .... maybe longer | |||
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"It's always been fashionable to knock this country and prefer the "sophisticated continental tastes" many of these arguments are perception over substance " To a degree. Sticking purely to food, there are more artisan producers around in this country than there ever has been. However it is a lot more expensive. We produce wine in this country now, it's generally mid range stuff that's not that great. We have smoking and curing houses, they charge 2-3 times more than continental imports. We import the vast majority of our food at prices we simply can't compete with on a year round schedule impossible to keep up with without expensive growing methods. Buying British is great and should be done as much as possible where the quality, price and availability is there. | |||
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"That means not buying VW, Audi, Skoda, Renault, Fiat, Alfa et al and instead going with products manufactured in the UK. I don't know how ignorant of supply chains you are but how does boycotting vw/audi/skoda help uk engineers like gkn/bodycote/trifast fill their order books?" Ok, so buying british built cars means that gkn/bodycote/trifast will be supplying parts to Jaguar/Nissan/Honda/Toyota/etc. This is also 'supply chain'! The idea is not to boycot anything or anyone, just to change our mindset from buying non British and therefore increasing imports to buying British and reducing them. Of course components are still likely to be imported, but these will have a lesser impact as the manufacturing cost, labour cost and profit element of the complete unit will be part of UK GDP and not an import. Maybe that helps you understand my point. If we want Britain to be great again, then we need to support British manufacturers, financial institutions, retailers, food producers. Clearly this will take many years to change behaviours, but it is part of the fallout from Brexit, imports will become more expensive due to the falling £. So it should make sense to buy British. | |||
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"That means not buying VW, Audi, Skoda, Renault, Fiat, Alfa et al and instead going with products manufactured in the UK. I don't know how ignorant of supply chains you are but how does boycotting vw/audi/skoda help uk engineers like gkn/bodycote/trifast fill their order books? Deals will be hammered out with the likes of Germany because threy want to sell cars and the UK buys them in high numbers. The same with France and all of the others in the EU. Yes there might be a slight tarriff but then again the UK is paying into the EU to be able to deal tarriff free but with strings attached. They would not enpose too higher tarriffs as ther are a lot of other countries who can supply cars wine to the UK and woulkd be most happy too as tarriffs with them would be agreed or tgey would trade free as it makes good business sence and you don't have to have strings attached. " But the 'buy British' avoid vw/audi/skoda point doesn't add up because where does that leave the British companies that supply vw? | |||
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"That means not buying VW, Audi, Skoda, Renault, Fiat, Alfa et al and instead going with products manufactured in the UK. I don't know how ignorant of supply chains you are but how does boycotting vw/audi/skoda help uk engineers like gkn/bodycote/trifast fill their order books? Ok, so buying british built cars means that gkn/bodycote/trifast will be supplying parts to Jaguar/Nissan/Honda/Toyota/etc. This is also 'supply chain'! The idea is not to boycot anything or anyone, just to change our mindset from buying non British and therefore increasing imports to buying British and reducing them. Of course components are still likely to be imported, but these will have a lesser impact as the manufacturing cost, labour cost and profit element of the complete unit will be part of UK GDP and not an import. Maybe that helps you understand my point. If we want Britain to be great again, then we need to support British manufacturers, financial institutions, retailers, food producers. Clearly this will take many years to change behaviours, but it is part of the fallout from Brexit, imports will become more expensive due to the falling £. So it should make sense to buy British." The supply chain is so diffused that by buying 'foreign' you will be buying 'british' | |||
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"Oh and what do you think happens to the profit element of JLR (India) Nissan/Honda/Toyota (Japan)?, of course you could buy a Morgan (UK)...but they use bmw engines" Stop using logic! | |||
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"Oh and what do you think happens to the profit element of JLR (India) Nissan/Honda/Toyota (Japan)?, of course you could buy a Morgan (UK)...but they use bmw engines" Supply chains are very complex, of course, and no complete item ends up being entirely British. However, if a company can supply parts to VW it is likely to also do the same to Ford or Vauxhall, so over time we might see an increase in the UK component value in a completed British car. Given that imported parts will increase in cost due to the £ falling, it should become more codt effective to buy British. This is even before tariffs are introduced, With regard to the profit element, it is clearly better for profit to be earnt in the UK, taxed in the UK and used to further invest in the UK. Just because a business is owned by an overseas company, or indeed if shareholders are from overseas, doesn't mean that we do not see the benefit. | |||
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"So, in spite of the mess around us who has changed their purchasing and is buying more British? So many things that were non British now have a British version, so no excuse not to support our own businesses - Champagne, Wine, Cheese, Charcuterie, Apples, Pears, Cider, Beer, etc... Let's help British businesses be succesful and promote jobs here
Well in answer to our question - we have! We will never agree that Leave is a good plan, but lets make the most of it. That means not buying VW, Audi, Skoda, Renault, Fiat, Alfa et al and instead going with products manufactured in the UK."awwww shit, I have just bought a new Merc and new Toyota Hilux, will I have to hand the merc back and keep the hilux (Toyota UK)  | |||
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"Oh and what do you think happens to the profit element of JLR (India) Nissan/Honda/Toyota (Japan)?, of course you could buy a Morgan (UK)...but they use bmw engines" Sorry to be pedantic but Nissan is actually French owned. You may be surprised to know that Nissan, Honda , Toyota , Peugeot and BMW have factories in this country. | |||
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"Oh and what do you think happens to the profit element of JLR (India) Nissan/Honda/Toyota (Japan)?, of course you could buy a Morgan (UK)...but they use bmw engines Sorry to be pedantic but Nissan is actually French owned. You may be surprised to know that Nissan, Honda , Toyota , Peugeot and BMW have factories in this country. " For now they do. Local Vauxhall plant to me encouraged its staff to vote remain as it may now have to move operations. I think the frustration a lot of people have is this "it'll be fine" attitude when A) We're no more out today than a week ago yet financial instability has started B) the £ bounced back a little as did the markets (with £250bn from BoE) but we're days in not weeks or months C) we have no plan and already bigger institutions are changing plans, removing investments, relocating | |||
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"Oh and what do you think happens to the profit element of JLR (India) Nissan/Honda/Toyota (Japan)?, of course you could buy a Morgan (UK)...but they use bmw engines Sorry to be pedantic but Nissan is actually French owned. You may be surprised to know that Nissan, Honda , Toyota , Peugeot and BMW have factories in this country. " So buy them as they manufacture in the UK - that is entirely my point! | |||
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"So, in spite of the mess around us who has changed their purchasing and is buying more British? So many things that were non British now have a British version, so no excuse not to support our own businesses - Champagne, Wine, Cheese, Charcuterie, Apples, Pears, Cider, Beer, etc... Let's help British businesses be succesful and promote jobs here
Well in answer to our question - we have! We will never agree that Leave is a good plan, but lets make the most of it. That means not buying VW, Audi, Skoda, Renault, Fiat, Alfa et al and instead going with products manufactured in the UK.
awwww shit, I have just bought a new Merc and new Toyota Hilux, will I have to hand the merc back and keep the hilux (Toyota UK)"Hilux not UK manufactured... | |||
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"Oh and what do you think happens to the profit element of JLR (India) Nissan/Honda/Toyota (Japan)?, of course you could buy a Morgan (UK)...but they use bmw engines Supply chains are very complex, of course, and no complete item ends up being entirely British. However, if a company can supply parts to VW it is likely to also do the same to Ford or Vauxhall, so over time we might see an increase in the UK component value in a completed British car. Given that imported parts will increase in cost due to the £ falling, it should become more codt effective to buy British. This is even before tariffs are introduced, With regard to the profit element, it is clearly better for profit to be earnt in the UK, taxed in the UK and used to further invest in the UK. Just because a business is owned by an overseas company, or indeed if shareholders are from overseas, doesn't mean that we do not see the benefit." Nissan Motor manufacturing (the Sunderland site) is contracted by Nissan international SA (Switzerland) to manufacture Nissan vehicles in it's behalf, NI sources buys and supplies the components to NMM then pays NMM a fee to assemble the units (which are at all times owned by NI) which sells them to Nissan Motor GB (the sales arm)...corporation tax bill (NMM UK) for this carousel? £2.8m...over 3 years  | |||
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"Oh and what do you think happens to the profit element of JLR (India) Nissan/Honda/Toyota (Japan)?, of course you could buy a Morgan (UK)...but they use bmw engines Sorry to be pedantic but Nissan is actually French owned. You may be surprised to know that Nissan, Honda , Toyota , Peugeot and BMW have factories in this country. For now they do. Local Vauxhall plant to me encouraged its staff to vote remain as it may now have to move operations. I think the frustration a lot of people have is this "it'll be fine" attitude when A) We're no more out today than a week ago yet financial instability has started B) the £ bounced back a little as did the markets (with £250bn from BoE) but we're days in not weeks or months C) we have no plan and already bigger institutions are changing plans, removing investments, relocating " The stock market overall has hardly moved over the course of a few weeks. The pound traditionally drops during the summer months. Every major manufacturer has contingency plans and are constantly evaluating their production base costs. That is why Minis are built in Oxford, Mercedes built in Spain and Sri Lanka and Renault in Romania. If the EU want to play hardball in negotiations we simply abide by WTO regulations. Whichever way, this country is still in a very strong position | |||
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"Oh and what do you think happens to the profit element of JLR (India) Nissan/Honda/Toyota (Japan)?, of course you could buy a Morgan (UK)...but they use bmw engines Sorry to be pedantic but Nissan is actually French owned. You may be surprised to know that Nissan, Honda , Toyota , Peugeot and BMW have factories in this country. For now they do. Local Vauxhall plant to me encouraged its staff to vote remain as it may now have to move operations. I think the frustration a lot of people have is this "it'll be fine" attitude when A) We're no more out today than a week ago yet financial instability has started B) the £ bounced back a little as did the markets (with £250bn from BoE) but we're days in not weeks or months C) we have no plan and already bigger institutions are changing plans, removing investments, relocating The stock market overall has hardly moved over the course of a few weeks. The pound traditionally drops during the summer months. Every major manufacturer has contingency plans and are constantly evaluating their production base costs. That is why Minis are built in Oxford, Mercedes built in Spain and Sri Lanka and Renault in Romania. If the EU want to play hardball in negotiations we simply abide by WTO regulations. Whichever way, this country is still in a very strong position " The Farage is strong in this one. | |||
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"Oh and what do you think happens to the profit element of JLR (India) Nissan/Honda/Toyota (Japan)?, of course you could buy a Morgan (UK)...but they use bmw engines Supply chains are very complex, of course, and no complete item ends up being entirely British. However, if a company can supply parts to VW it is likely to also do the same to Ford or Vauxhall, so over time we might see an increase in the UK component value in a completed British car. Given that imported parts will increase in cost due to the £ falling, it should become more codt effective to buy British. This is even before tariffs are introduced, With regard to the profit element, it is clearly better for profit to be earnt in the UK, taxed in the UK and used to further invest in the UK. Just because a business is owned by an overseas company, or indeed if shareholders are from overseas, doesn't mean that we do not see the benefit. Nissan Motor manufacturing (the Sunderland site) is contracted by Nissan international SA (Switzerland) to manufacture Nissan vehicles in it's behalf, NI sources buys and supplies the components to NMM then pays NMM a fee to assemble the units (which are at all times owned by NI) which sells them to Nissan Motor GB (the sales arm)...corporation tax bill (NMM UK) for this carousel? £2.8m...over 3 years "Similar to how Starbucks operate | |||
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"Oh and what do you think happens to the profit element of JLR (India) Nissan/Honda/Toyota (Japan)?, of course you could buy a Morgan (UK)...but they use bmw engines Sorry to be pedantic but Nissan is actually French owned. You may be surprised to know that Nissan, Honda , Toyota , Peugeot and BMW have factories in this country. For now they do. Local Vauxhall plant to me encouraged its staff to vote remain as it may now have to move operations. I think the frustration a lot of people have is this "it'll be fine" attitude when A) We're no more out today than a week ago yet financial instability has started B) the £ bounced back a little as did the markets (with £250bn from BoE) but we're days in not weeks or months C) we have no plan and already bigger institutions are changing plans, removing investments, relocating The stock market overall has hardly moved over the course of a few weeks. The pound traditionally drops during the summer months. Every major manufacturer has contingency plans and are constantly evaluating their production base costs. That is why Minis are built in Oxford, Mercedes built in Spain and Sri Lanka and Renault in Romania. If the EU want to play hardball in negotiations we simply abide by WTO regulations. Whichever way, this country is still in a very strong position The Farage is strong in this one. " Also, I said markets not market. | |||
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"Oh and what do you think happens to the profit element of JLR (India) Nissan/Honda/Toyota (Japan)?, of course you could buy a Morgan (UK)...but they use bmw engines Sorry to be pedantic but Nissan is actually French owned. You may be surprised to know that Nissan, Honda , Toyota , Peugeot and BMW have factories in this country. For now they do. Local Vauxhall plant to me encouraged its staff to vote remain as it may now have to move operations. I think the frustration a lot of people have is this "it'll be fine" attitude when A) We're no more out today than a week ago yet financial instability has started B) the £ bounced back a little as did the markets (with £250bn from BoE) but we're days in not weeks or months C) we have no plan and already bigger institutions are changing plans, removing investments, relocating The stock market overall has hardly moved over the course of a few weeks. The pound traditionally drops during the summer months. Every major manufacturer has contingency plans and are constantly evaluating their production base costs. That is why Minis are built in Oxford, Mercedes built in Spain and Sri Lanka and Renault in Romania. If the EU want to play hardball in negotiations we simply abide by WTO regulations. Whichever way, this country is still in a very strong position The Farage is strong in this one. " | |||
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"Follow the money http://youtu.be/i9cLwoTkWes" It's not about the money, money, money We don't need your money, money, money We just wanna make the world dance, Forget about the price tag Ain't about the (uh) ch-ch-ching ch-ching | |||
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"Oh and what do you think happens to the profit element of JLR (India) Nissan/Honda/Toyota (Japan)?, of course you could buy a Morgan (UK)...but they use bmw engines Sorry to be pedantic but Nissan is actually French owned. You may be surprised to know that Nissan, Honda , Toyota , Peugeot and BMW have factories in this country. For now they do. Local Vauxhall plant to me encouraged its staff to vote remain as it may now have to move operations. I think the frustration a lot of people have is this "it'll be fine" attitude when A) We're no more out today than a week ago yet financial instability has started B) the £ bounced back a little as did the markets (with £250bn from BoE) but we're days in not weeks or months C) we have no plan and already bigger institutions are changing plans, removing investments, relocating The stock market overall has hardly moved over the course of a few weeks. The pound traditionally drops during the summer months. Every major manufacturer has contingency plans and are constantly evaluating their production base costs. That is why Minis are built in Oxford, Mercedes built in Spain and Sri Lanka and Renault in Romania. If the EU want to play hardball in negotiations we simply abide by WTO regulations. Whichever way, this country is still in a very strong position " As the OP on this one, my point is not that we are weak, simply that we will be stronger if we get behind British businesses and change our buying behaviors. None of us can change macro economics, but we can change micro economics which leads to macro change over time. | |||
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"So, in spite of the mess around us who has changed their purchasing and is buying more British? So many things that were non British now have a British version, so no excuse not to support our own businesses - Champagne, Wine, Cheese, Charcuterie, Apples, Pears, Cider, Beer, etc... Let's help British businesses be succesful and promote jobs here "Yes let's sell more British Wepons to the ISIS that certainly helps the British Economy, puts UK in better business relationship with Saudi Arabia and who cares about the immigrants? Those go to near Italy and Greece!!! | |||
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"So, in spite of the mess around us who has changed their purchasing and is buying more British? So many things that were non British now have a British version, so no excuse not to support our own businesses - Champagne, Wine, Cheese, Charcuterie, Apples, Pears, Cider, Beer, etc... Let's help British businesses be succesful and promote jobs here
Yes let's sell more British Wepons to the ISIS that certainly helps the British Economy, puts UK in better business relationship with Saudi Arabia and who cares about the immigrants? Those go to near Italy and Greece!!!"are you not on the wrong website? "cynics are us" is next door... | |||
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"So, in spite of the mess around us who has changed their purchasing and is buying more British? So many things that were non British now have a British version, so no excuse not to support our own businesses - Champagne, Wine, Cheese, Charcuterie, Apples, Pears, Cider, Beer, etc... Let's help British businesses be succesful and promote jobs here
Yes let's sell more British Wepons to the ISIS that certainly helps the British Economy, puts UK in better business relationship with Saudi Arabia and who cares about the immigrants? Those go to near Italy and Greece!!!
are you not on the wrong website? "cynics are us" is next door..."Oh and forgot to say it's USA that cause the trouble in North Africa and the British followed... This caused huge instability in Europe starting from the south and upwards. As we cannot control the waters (as the Australians do) in my opinion I would send all those immigrants straight to UK or America as they started this! No wait Europe is part of Nato god damm you see? It's all a business for the politicians and we are falling for it!  | |||
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"So, in spite of the mess around us who has changed their purchasing and is buying more British? So many things that were non British now have a British version, so no excuse not to support our own businesses - Champagne, Wine, Cheese, Charcuterie, Apples, Pears, Cider, Beer, etc... Let's help British businesses be succesful and promote jobs here "If Scotland vote for independence, should we stop buying from Scotland? | |||
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"So, in spite of the mess around us who has changed their purchasing and is buying more British? So many things that were non British now have a British version, so no excuse not to support our own businesses - Champagne, Wine, Cheese, Charcuterie, Apples, Pears, Cider, Beer, etc... Let's help British businesses be succesful and promote jobs here "We literally can’t buy British Champagne. Champagne can only come from the Champagne region of France, if its from somewhere else it is sparkling wine. | |||
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"That means not buying VW, Audi, Skoda, Renault, Fiat, Alfa et al and instead going with products manufactured in the UK. I don't know how ignorant of supply chains you are but how does boycotting vw/audi/skoda help uk engineers like gkn/bodycote/trifast fill their order books? Deals will be hammered out with the likes of Germany because threy want to sell cars and the UK buys them in high numbers. The same with France and all of the others in the EU. Yes there might be a slight tarriff but then again the UK is paying into the EU to be able to deal tarriff free but with strings attached. They would not enpose too higher tarriffs as ther are a lot of other countries who can supply cars wine to the UK and woulkd be most happy too as tarriffs with them would be agreed or tgey would trade free as it makes good business sence and you don't have to have strings attached. " So India charge 117% import tariffs on whisky china charge up to 45% on imported cars ...surely trade tariffs generate income. for the government of the country imposing them also tariffs protect the domestic market | |||
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"That means not buying VW, Audi, Skoda, Renault, Fiat, Alfa et al and instead going with products manufactured in the UK. I don't know how ignorant of supply chains you are but how does boycotting vw/audi/skoda help uk engineers like gkn/bodycote/trifast fill their order books? Ok, so buying british built cars means that gkn/bodycote/trifast will be supplying parts to Jaguar/Nissan/Honda/Toyota/etc. This is also 'supply chain'! The idea is not to boycot anything or anyone, just to change our mindset from buying non British and therefore increasing imports to buying British and reducing them. Of course components are still likely to be imported, but these will have a lesser impact as the manufacturing cost, labour cost and profit element of the complete unit will be part of UK GDP and not an import. Maybe that helps you understand my point. If we want Britain to be great again, then we need to support British manufacturers, financial institutions, retailers, food producers. Clearly this will take many years to change behaviours, but it is part of the fallout from Brexit, imports will become more expensive due to the falling £. So it should make sense to buy British." I think what this thread really shows, is that we live in a very interconnected world, supply chains cross international borders very easily. You unless you want something simple such as a potato, its hard to buy British. Think how popular Apple products are, British designers, working in California, creating products made in China which are sold in retail stores around the world including in Britain. The point I am trying to get at, is it would have been better if we had voted to Remain, as it doesn’t matter to a British farmer if his carrot is sold in Britain or Bulgaria, a telecoms engineer could work in Denmark or Derby, or cars can be designed in one country, made in another and driven in a third. To make it EVEN more complicated, think of all the British pension schemes, or investments that hold shares in VW/Audi/Skoda etc. If their value goes down, so do the pensions paid to British pensioners etc. If we all work together, we can all get rich together, if we try to slit each others throats, no one wins. | |||
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"We don't make fuck all in this country, we make money by selling shit to each other - and other countries." I thought we were still the worlds 10/11th biggest manufacturer? | |||
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"We don't make fuck all in this country, we make money by selling shit to each other - and other countries. I thought we were still the worlds 10/11th biggest manufacturer?" Of what? There are very few British owned manufacturers left - we sold it all off, remember? The international owners of Nissan or Ford et al are perfectly within their rights to say, "UK, if you don't have access to the Single Market we're gonna move production elsewhere." Access to the Single Market is now the single most important issue facing the government and the EU has made it clear that freedom of movement is non-negotiable... Square that circle | |||
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"We don't make fuck all in this country, we make money by selling shit to each other - and other countries. I thought we were still the worlds 10/11th biggest manufacturer? Of what? There are very few British owned manufacturers left - we sold it all off, remember? The international owners of Nissan or Ford et al are perfectly within their rights to say, "UK, if you don't have access to the Single Market we're gonna move production elsewhere." Access to the Single Market is now the single most important issue facing the government and the EU has made it clear that freedom of movement is non-negotiable... Square that circle " move production elsewhere? Why does Japan import toyotas from Derby? | |||
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"We don't make fuck all in this country, we make money by selling shit to each other - and other countries. I thought we were still the worlds 10/11th biggest manufacturer? Of what? There are very few British owned manufacturers left - we sold it all off, remember? The international owners of Nissan or Ford et al are perfectly within their rights to say, "UK, if you don't have access to the Single Market we're gonna move production elsewhere." Access to the Single Market is now the single most important issue facing the government and the EU has made it clear that freedom of movement is non-negotiable... Square that circle move production elsewhere? Why does Japan import toyotas from Derby?" Like to a country in the EU? | |||
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"We don't make fuck all in this country, we make money by selling shit to each other - and other countries. I thought we were still the worlds 10/11th biggest manufacturer? Of what? There are very few British owned manufacturers left - we sold it all off, remember? The international owners of Nissan or Ford et al are perfectly within their rights to say, "UK, if you don't have access to the Single Market we're gonna move production elsewhere." Access to the Single Market is now the single most important issue facing the government and the EU has made it clear that freedom of movement is non-negotiable... Square that circle move production elsewhere? Why does Japan import toyotas from Derby?" Japan doesn't. It makes its own Toyotas. We build them for Japan in this country to export to Europe, ergo access to the Single Market is paramount | |||
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"We don't make fuck all in this country, we make money by selling shit to each other - and other countries. I thought we were still the worlds 10/11th biggest manufacturer? Of what? There are very few British owned manufacturers left - we sold it all off, remember? The international owners of Nissan or Ford et al are perfectly within their rights to say, "UK, if you don't have access to the Single Market we're gonna move production elsewhere." Access to the Single Market is now the single most important issue facing the government and the EU has made it clear that freedom of movement is non-negotiable... Square that circle move production elsewhere? Why does Japan import toyotas from Derby? Japan doesn't. It makes its own Toyotas. We build them for Japan in this country to export to Europe, ergo access to the Single Market is paramount" they ship from this country to Japan. I have worked there. Its a funny old world eh | |||
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"We don't make fuck all in this country, we make money by selling shit to each other - and other countries. I thought we were still the worlds 10/11th biggest manufacturer? Of what? There are very few British owned manufacturers left - we sold it all off, remember? The international owners of Nissan or Ford et al are perfectly within their rights to say, "UK, if you don't have access to the Single Market we're gonna move production elsewhere." Access to the Single Market is now the single most important issue facing the government and the EU has made it clear that freedom of movement is non-negotiable... Square that circle move production elsewhere? Why does Japan import toyotas from Derby? Japan doesn't. It makes its own Toyotas. We build them for Japan in this country to export to Europe, ergo access to the Single Market is paramountjapan does import Toyotas from Derby" only watched this the other night, it explains this exact point and from 2000 well worth a watch Clarkson's Car Years - How Japan Took Over The World... And Then Lost It. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LSYD4a3RzW4 | |||
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"Japan doesn't. It makes its own Toyotas. We build them for Japan in this country to export to Europe, ergo access to the Single Market is paramountjapan does import Toyotas from Derby Indeed, they ship the Aventis model to Japan only. About 75 to 80 per cent of the Toyota and Honda cars that are produced in the UK are destined for the EU. A Toyota Hilux is always destined to my drive way, the Hilux takes you where no other car or truck can take you even Clarkson will agree with that "Bully for you
So what about our exports to the EU?
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"Ahead of the referendum, Toyota had already warned of “huge cost reduction challenges” at its plants in Burnaston in Derbyshire and Deeside in north Wales if the UK faced a 10 per cent tariff on exports to Europe. About 75 to 80 per cent of the Toyota and Honda cars that are produced in the UK are destined for the EU.
“The reality is that it’s nearly impossible to make profit considering that they had not made much money over the past two decades. Can you keep holding on to a perpetually lossmaking operation in Britain?” said Koji Endo, analyst at Advanced Research Japan.
Mr Endo presented the 75 per cent estimate purely looking at the economics for Toyota and Honda making cars in a tiny market that only accounts for less than 2 per cent of their total vehicle sales."
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"I now want all the publicly funded utilities, Police, Ambulance etc to now be told 'You will only use British Taxpayers money to buy British built vehicles'. For starters. The Police can do their jobs just as well in a Discovery or Range Rover as a BMW X5. We build every possible alternative (including vans and trucks) right here in the UK. Given every German local council only buys German (same with France and French, Italy and Italian etc) we must now use our public buying power to shore up confidence in UK manufacturing far more than we have...." agree, that would be good, including Hydro electric, every off road vehicle they have is a Toyota, that needs to change | |||
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"I now want all the publicly funded utilities, Police, Ambulance etc to now be told 'You will only use British Taxpayers money to buy British built vehicles'. For starters. The Police can do their jobs just as well in a Discovery or Range Rover as a BMW X5. We build every possible alternative (including vans and trucks) right here in the UK. Given every German local council only buys German (same with France and French, Italy and Italian etc) we must now use our public buying power to shore up confidence in UK manufacturing far more than we have...." Do you want buy 'british' or the best deal for taxpayers? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Government_procurement_in_the_European_Union | |||
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"I now want all the publicly funded utilities, Police, Ambulance etc to now be told 'You will only use British Taxpayers money to buy British built vehicles'. For starters. The Police can do their jobs just as well in a Discovery or Range Rover as a BMW X5. We build every possible alternative (including vans and trucks) right here in the UK. Given every German local council only buys German (same with France and French, Italy and Italian etc) we must now use our public buying power to shore up confidence in UK manufacturing far more than we have.... Do you want buy 'british' or the best deal for taxpayers? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Government_procurement_in_the_European_Union" Let me tell what will be a good business to get into in UK (for those who wish to remaIN) Do start a production in Lube! With USA and China watching from a distance you are likely to get fucked... really hard!!! | |||
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"Oh dear... dear... it looks to me Britain will go back voluntarily to its allotments!!! British will have to take their bitter pill as 52% voted for it .on the plus side we voted with our feet and moved to Fuerteventura so are a short plane ride away fun in the cita center ... The only difference between rats and people like you is that rats leave a sinking ship. You left a fully operational and powerful ship heading into some very rewarding waters ... But hey enjoy the EU while it crashes and burns...." We expect to emigrate in the next 18 months. We are both graduates with transferable skills. Why? Because we don't want our kids growing up in the racism and xenophobia gripping the uk. | |||
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"Japan doesn't. It makes its own Toyotas. We build them for Japan in this country to export to Europe, ergo access to the Single Market is paramountjapan does import Toyotas from Derby Indeed, they ship the Aventis model to Japan only. About 75 to 80 per cent of the Toyota and Honda cars that are produced in the UK are destined for the EU. A Toyota Hilux is always destined to my drive way, the Hilux takes you where no other car or truck can take you even Clarkson will agree with that
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So what about our exports to the EU?
From the FT:
"Ahead of the referendum, Toyota had already warned of “huge cost reduction challenges” at its plants in Burnaston in Derbyshire and Deeside in north Wales if the UK faced a 10 per cent tariff on exports to Europe. About 75 to 80 per cent of the Toyota and Honda cars that are produced in the UK are destined for the EU.
“The reality is that it’s nearly impossible to make profit considering that they had not made much money over the past two decades. Can you keep holding on to a perpetually lossmaking operation in Britain?” said Koji Endo, analyst at Advanced Research Japan.
Mr Endo presented the 75 per cent estimate purely looking at the economics for Toyota and Honda making cars in a tiny market that only accounts for less than 2 per cent of their total vehicle sales."
"There are some biased newspapers out there, one of the worst for bias in the run up to the referendum was the Guardian which was spitting bile at the Brexit campaign. It was beaten into second place by the FT which has had some of the most biased and innacurate reporting I have ever seen in a newspaper. Big business wanted a remain vote and the FT tried to talk one up. The FT didn't do the one thing it should have done... It didn't follow the money | |||
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"I now want all the publicly funded utilities, Police, Ambulance etc to now be told 'You will only use British Taxpayers money to buy British built vehicles'. For starters. The Police can do their jobs just as well in a Discovery or Range Rover as a BMW X5. We build every possible alternative (including vans and trucks) right here in the UK. Given every German local council only buys German (same with France and French, Italy and Italian etc) we must now use our public buying power to shore up confidence in UK manufacturing far more than we have.... Do you want buy 'british' or the best deal for taxpayers? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Government_procurement_in_the_European_Union" Well forgive me having the belief that we British can build anything as well as anywhere in the world. And if the idea of 'buying German' is good for the Germans I think we should 'Buy British'. And by the time we have added the cost of running a trade deficit of some £77 Bn in Goods and we can support British jobs then I think buying British IS actually good value for British taxpayers. the Germans, Italians and French think its good for their taxpayers to buy their own goods despite EU regulations of this 'Single Market' we hear so much about. Here is a thought for you: We play by the rules and allow anyone from the EU to bid for Railway Franchises and operate trains here. DB (German State Railways) operates thousands of freight trains, Arriva (German State Railways) operates three franchises, Abellio (Dutch State railways) operates two franchises, London Overground is operated by DB and MTR, French State Railways operates one franchise. One British company has won one small franchise in one part of Germany despite years of court hearings and protests from the same DB that does so well out of the UK. Totally contrary to EU law but does the EU do anything? No. Why? Because Germany rules the EU. And France is even more impenetrable ... You quote the EU but there is no equality of competition so as of this week we can do as WE wish not as directed by the EU. | |||
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"Oh dear... dear... it looks to me Britain will go back voluntarily to its allotments!!! British will have to take their bitter pill as 52% voted for it .on the plus side we voted with our feet and moved to Fuerteventura so are a short plane ride away fun in the cita center ... The only difference between rats and people like you is that rats leave a sinking ship. You left a fully operational and powerful ship heading into some very rewarding waters ... But hey enjoy the EU while it crashes and burns.... You're right we did leave a operational ship last year shame you fools have steered it straight into an iceberg this year ...still some hope for you titanic did have a few lifeboats bit ohh no your sort never got on one ... I love Europe, spend half my life there, if you do, why do you live in Africa?
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"Oh dear... dear... it looks to me Britain will go back voluntarily to its allotments!!! British will have to take their bitter pill as 52% voted for it .on the plus side we voted with our feet and moved to Fuerteventura so are a short plane ride away fun in the cita center ... The only difference between rats and people like you is that rats leave a sinking ship. You left a fully operational and powerful ship heading into some very rewarding waters ... But hey enjoy the EU while it crashes and burns.... You're right we did leave a operational ship last year shame you fools have steered it straight into an iceberg this year ...still some hope for you titanic did have a few lifeboats bit ohh no your sort never got on one ... I love Europe, spend half my life there, if you do, why do you live in Africa?
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up you mean"The UK left because its frightened of change they want back to days before the Eu ..they want the EU project to fail because the couldn't bear to see it prosper without them .back to the bleak days of the past for old Blighty .. | |||
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Long live the EU with or with out the UK constantly holding it back ..
I guess the fact that you insult some 65 million people every time you say shit like that doesn't worry you at all? Why do you bother coming on this forum?"To stop the likes of you spouting rubbish ..spreading you're version of hate if you don't like what i post don't post or read it simple .. | |||
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back?
up you mean
The UK left because its frightened of change they want back to days before the Eu ..they want the EU project to fail because the couldn't bear to see it prosper without them .back to the bleak days of the past for old Blighty .."with 33% unemployment in the Canaries now I think the EU has already failed | |||
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"Just so you know _horehouse, there has been no growth in GDP in the EU for 10 years. The eurozone is stagnant. It is no longer creating the wealth needed to continue. The argument would be more accurate to say that the EU has been holding the UK back. Follow the money remember " I do follow the money when I get less that's bad at the moment its less ..take it less must be more in your book ? .no wonder Blighty will do well in your book | |||
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"I now want all the publicly funded utilities, Police, Ambulance etc to now be told 'You will only use British Taxpayers money to buy British built vehicles'. For starters. The Police can do their jobs just as well in a Discovery or Range Rover as a BMW X5. We build every possible alternative (including vans and trucks) right here in the UK. Given every German local council only buys German (same with France and French, Italy and Italian etc) we must now use our public buying power to shore up confidence in UK manufacturing far more than we have.... Do you want buy 'british' or the best deal for taxpayers? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Government_procurement_in_the_European_Union Well forgive me having the belief that we British can build anything as well as anywhere in the world. And if the idea of 'buying German' is good for the Germans I think we should 'Buy British'. And by the time we have added the cost of running a trade deficit of some £77 Bn in Goods and we can support British jobs then I think buying British IS actually good value for British taxpayers. the Germans, Italians and French think its good for their taxpayers to buy their own goods despite EU regulations of this 'Single Market' we hear so much about. Here is a thought for you: We play by the rules and allow anyone from the EU to bid for Railway Franchises and operate trains here. DB (German State Railways) operates thousands of freight trains, Arriva (German State Railways) operates three franchises, Abellio (Dutch State railways) operates two franchises, London Overground is operated by DB and MTR, French State Railways operates one franchise. One British company has won one small franchise in one part of Germany despite years of court hearings and protests from the same DB that does so well out of the UK. Totally contrary to EU law but does the EU do anything? No. Why? Because Germany rules the EU. And France is even more impenetrable ... You quote the EU but there is no equality of competition so as of this week we can do as WE wish not as directed by the EU." That's all very interesting indeed! That proves how much talent there is in EU... Now try to think the same about Britain without the EU? Yes exactly the situation we are talking about... Fuck All | |||
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"I now want all the publicly funded utilities, Police, Ambulance etc to now be told 'You will only use British Taxpayers money to buy British built vehicles'. For starters. The Police can do their jobs just as well in a Discovery or Range Rover as a BMW X5. We build every possible alternative (including vans and trucks) right here in the UK. Given every German local council only buys German (same with France and French, Italy and Italian etc) we must now use our public buying power to shore up confidence in UK manufacturing far more than we have.... Do you want buy 'british' or the best deal for taxpayers? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Government_procurement_in_the_European_Union Well forgive me having the belief that we British can build anything as well as anywhere in the world. And if the idea of 'buying German' is good for the Germans I think we should 'Buy British'. And by the time we have added the cost of running a trade deficit of some £77 Bn in Goods and we can support British jobs then I think buying British IS actually good value for British taxpayers. the Germans, Italians and French think its good for their taxpayers to buy their own goods despite EU regulations of this 'Single Market' we hear so much about. Here is a thought for you: We play by the rules and allow anyone from the EU to bid for Railway Franchises and operate trains here. DB (German State Railways) operates thousands of freight trains, Arriva (German State Railways) operates three franchises, Abellio (Dutch State railways) operates two franchises, London Overground is operated by DB and MTR, French State Railways operates one franchise. One British company has won one small franchise in one part of Germany despite years of court hearings and protests from the same DB that does so well out of the UK. Totally contrary to EU law but does the EU do anything? No. Why? Because Germany rules the EU. And France is even more impenetrable ... You quote the EU but there is no equality of competition so as of this week we can do as WE wish not as directed by the EU." We are fully in the EU, as of this week and likely for some time. | |||
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"I now want all the publicly funded utilities, Police, Ambulance etc to now be told 'You will only use British Taxpayers money to buy British built vehicles'. For starters. The Police can do their jobs just as well in a Discovery or Range Rover as a BMW X5. We build every possible alternative (including vans and trucks) right here in the UK. Given every German local council only buys German (same with France and French, Italy and Italian etc) we must now use our public buying power to shore up confidence in UK manufacturing far more than we have.... Do you want buy 'british' or the best deal for taxpayers? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Government_procurement_in_the_European_Union Well forgive me having the belief that we British can build anything as well as anywhere in the world. And if the idea of 'buying German' is good for the Germans I think we should 'Buy British'. And by the time we have added the cost of running a trade deficit of some £77 Bn in Goods and we can support British jobs then I think buying British IS actually good value for British taxpayers. the Germans, Italians and French think its good for their taxpayers to buy their own goods despite EU regulations of this 'Single Market' we hear so much about. Here is a thought for you: We play by the rules and allow anyone from the EU to bid for Railway Franchises and operate trains here. DB (German State Railways) operates thousands of freight trains, Arriva (German State Railways) operates three franchises, Abellio (Dutch State railways) operates two franchises, London Overground is operated by DB and MTR, French State Railways operates one franchise. One British company has won one small franchise in one part of Germany despite years of court hearings and protests from the same DB that does so well out of the UK. Totally contrary to EU law but does the EU do anything? No. Why? Because Germany rules the EU. And France is even more impenetrable ... You quote the EU but there is no equality of competition so as of this week we can do as WE wish not as directed by the EU." I was just curious if you thought taxpayers should pay a higher price for something 'british', or isn't that usually referred to as bureaucratic wastefulness?, the question you really should be asking is why don't ALL the regional forces put out a nationwide tender? | |||
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"Oh ams Arriva was British based, DB had to stump up £1.5B so if you're not happy with DB running British lines then it's a question of the previous shareholders not open markets " My point, which seems to have been missed, is that we abide by and apply EU rules and allow open and free competition. The State Railways of Germany, Holland and France have bigger pockets to pick up Franchises here in the UK than private British companies. The corollary of that is British companies face huge bureaucratic and legal hurdles to win anything in those countries. And I gave the example in Germany. The Uk company was National express and it won a comparatively small Franchise in Germany and was then faced with years of court hearings which cost it a lot of money. The Eu talsk the talk of open competition but does nothing when the Germans and French and Dutch fail to operate to their rules. It was an EU Directive that all railways should separate infrastructure from operations. Only the UK has achieved that. And it did it before the EU came up with that Directive! Apparently we are all equal its just some are a bit more equal than others .... | |||
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