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"So now we just need to be positive and get on with it "Best post of the week | |||
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"I voted out anyway but seeing this analysis has certainly put any doubts I had to rest" You've voted me out.  
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"I voted out anyway but seeing this analysis has certainly put any doubts I had to rest You've voted me out.
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"I voted out anyway but seeing this analysis has certainly put any doubts I had to rest You've voted me out.
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"I voted out anyway but seeing this analysis has certainly put any doubts I had to rest You've voted me out.
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"People need to concentrate on the positive now that the deed has been done. " yes but we need the politicians to step up and bloody get on with it. They never answer a question with a direct answer. You'd have thought a strategy for what to do if we voted out would have already been in place. | |||
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"People need to concentrate on the positive now that the deed has been done. yes but we need the politicians to step up and bloody get on with it. They never answer a question with a direct answer. You'd have thought a strategy for what to do if we voted out would have already been in place." I agree, in my opinion the politicians on both sides of the house are the most inept since probably before ww2. Both parties are now hell bent on imploding rather than concentrating on the task at hand. If the Labour Party mess up now they could make themselves unelectable for a generation. A government is only as good as its opposition. A weak opposition party cannot put the checks and balances in place. | |||
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"This is a well renowned Italian economic journalists view of how Brexit affects both the UK and the EU He quotes the figures. http://youtu.be/i9cLwoTkWes" I dont trust the italians since i found out dolmio was made in belgium | |||
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"This is a well renowned Italian economic journalists view of how Brexit affects both the UK and the EU He quotes the figures. http://youtu.be/i9cLwoTkWes I dont trust the italians since i found out dolmio was made in belgium" belgian treachery | |||
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"This is a well renowned Italian economic journalists view of how Brexit affects both the UK and the EU He quotes the figures. http://youtu.be/i9cLwoTkWes I dont trust the italians since i found out dolmio was made in belgiumbelgian treachery " That's the EU for you... | |||
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"People need to concentrate on the positive now that the deed has been done. yes but we need the politicians to step up and bloody get on with it. They never answer a question with a direct answer. You'd have thought a strategy for what to do if we voted out would have already been in place." Cameron has done something extraordinarily clever by stepping down without enacting a plan. He has made the Con leadership a toxic position. Have you not noticed Boris back-peddling already? Saying we can wait before enacting Article 50? Boris and Gove didn't actually want us to Leave. Boris was Pro-EU only a few months ago. They wanted Cameron to get pushed out so that they could be in control. They were banking on using the anti-Euro sentiment to get them into power. Now they have to enact article 50 when they take the leadership. Or they don't - it's not a legally binding contract after all. At the moment, any PM has to choose to leave or stay. And that decision is toxic. No PM comes out of this well. Cameron was smart. Very smart. I hope that he will be remembered as the man who kept us in Europe with his checkmate move. | |||
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"So now we just need to be positive and get on with it "Bang on... Fucking booooooorrrrreeeed now! Move the fuck on! Turn away from Europe and look towards the real players, I spent most of the last decade in the Far East and we were so under represented it was embarrassing. Funny... Because on Friday all those guys started ramming cash into the uk, Asians don't give a fuck about politics, they just want the money. And they like our stuff... & to a certain extent us and our way of life, I have so many story's about this from a decade in the east and 6 years in the Americas... Quite simply move on. | |||
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"People need to concentrate on the positive now that the deed has been done. yes but we need the politicians to step up and bloody get on with it. They never answer a question with a direct answer. You'd have thought a strategy for what to do if we voted out would have already been in place. Cameron has done something extraordinarily clever by stepping down without enacting a plan. He has made the Con leadership a toxic position. Have you not noticed Boris back-peddling already? Saying we can wait before enacting Article 50? Boris and Gove didn't actually want us to Leave. Boris was Pro-EU only a few months ago. They wanted Cameron to get pushed out so that they could be in control. They were banking on using the anti-Euro sentiment to get them into power. Now they have to enact article 50 when they take the leadership. Or they don't - it's not a legally binding contract after all. At the moment, any PM has to choose to leave or stay. And that decision is toxic. No PM comes out of this well. Cameron was smart. Very smart. I hope that he will be remembered as the man who kept us in Europe with his checkmate move." This. I was reading something practically identical to this yesterday/ this morning. Boris is a self-serving weasel. Not only was he pro-EU a few months ago, he was in a documentary explaining why Turkey should be a part of the EU. He hasn't got the balls to initiate Article 50 and any Prime Minister that does will have doomed themselves to failure instantly. | |||
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"So reading between the lines of the above... A single persons fear of initiating article 50, can pretty much disregard a democratic vote? " That is a good description of the Westminster bubble | |||
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"So now we just need to be positive and get on with it
Bang on... Fucking booooooorrrrreeeed now!
Move the fuck on!
Turn away from Europe and look towards the real players, I spent most of the last decade in the Far East and we were so under represented it was embarrassing.
Funny... Because on Friday all those guys started ramming cash into the uk, Asians don't give a fuck about politics, they just want the money.
And they like our stuff... & to a certain extent us and our way of life, I have so many story's about this from a decade in the east and 6 years in the Americas...
Quite simply move on."For all those people who say "they're bored" and we should "move on", consider this: Ever since we joined the EU, people have called for us to leave it. Why were they allowed a voice for all that time but a few days after the referendum, people who wanted to remain are being forced to shut up? People think it's "done" and that is no where near the truth. No political process has even started yet! We're still waiting until October and the Tory party conference and then have up to two years once Article 50 is invoked to negotiate without consequence. Telling someone to "move on" after they made the biggest decision of their life and didn't get the result they wanted is offensive. | |||
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"So reading between the lines of the above... A single persons fear of initiating article 50, can pretty much disregard a democratic vote? " Yeah, pretty much. The referendum wasn't a legally binding vote, remember. It was just to find out the will of the people. The government doesn't have to actually listen to it. It's going to be interesting to see just how "democratic" this country is. Already a Labour MP has outright said to ignore the result and remain. | |||
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"So reading between the lines of the above... A single persons fear of initiating article 50, can pretty much disregard a democratic vote? Yeah, pretty much. The referendum wasn't a legally binding vote, remember. It was just to find out the will of the people. The government doesn't have to actually listen to it. It's going to be interesting to see just how "democratic" this country is. Already a Labour MP has outright said to ignore the result and remain." Seems to me like the only thing a lot of the "tolerant left" can't tolerate is a democratic vote that doesn't go in their favour. | |||
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"So reading between the lines of the above... A single persons fear of initiating article 50, can pretty much disregard a democratic vote? Yeah, pretty much. The referendum wasn't a legally binding vote, remember. It was just to find out the will of the people. The government doesn't have to actually listen to it. It's going to be interesting to see just how "democratic" this country is. Already a Labour MP has outright said to ignore the result and remain. Seems to me like the only thing a lot of the "tolerant left" can't tolerate is a democratic vote that doesn't go in their favour. " A vote that was campaigned with lies (on both sides), xenophobia and racism (on one side) and put to the people who have no REAL understanding on what they're voting on is not democratic. It's a play for a group of people to try to further their political careers with no real consideration for the normal public. The political elite will never feel the strain that we will whichever way the result had gone. They could argue whatever they like and not really worry about it. We're the ones that will suffer. | |||
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"People need to concentrate on the positive now that the deed has been done. " Please feel free to be deluded about the next five years of self induced fuck ups | |||
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"So now we just need to be positive and get on with it
Bang on... Fucking booooooorrrrreeeed now!
Move the fuck on!
Turn away from Europe and look towards the real players, I spent most of the last decade in the Far East and we were so under represented it was embarrassing.
Funny... Because on Friday all those guys started ramming cash into the uk, Asians don't give a fuck about politics, they just want the money.
And they like our stuff... & to a certain extent us and our way of life, I have so many story's about this from a decade in the east and 6 years in the Americas...
Quite simply move on.
For all those people who say "they're bored" and we should "move on", consider this:
Ever since we joined the EU, people have called for us to leave it. Why were they allowed a voice for all that time but a few days after the referendum, people who wanted to remain are being forced to shut up?
People think it's "done" and that is no where near the truth. No political process has even started yet! We're still waiting until October and the Tory party conference and then have up to two years once Article 50 is invoked to negotiate without consequence.
Telling someone to "move on" after they made the biggest decision of their life and didn't get the result they wanted is offensive.
"Your right is some respects, but in others you are wrong... This is a game now and we have to be true to our nature, play competitively and hard... I have seen chaos... You have to create space, be cruel, crush your competitors, accept collateral damage and above all win... So yes move on and help us win... | |||
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"So reading between the lines of the above... A single persons fear of initiating article 50, can pretty much disregard a democratic vote? Yeah, pretty much. The referendum wasn't a legally binding vote, remember. It was just to find out the will of the people. The government doesn't have to actually listen to it. It's going to be interesting to see just how "democratic" this country is. Already a Labour MP has outright said to ignore the result and remain. Seems to me like the only thing a lot of the "tolerant left" can't tolerate is a democratic vote that doesn't go in their favour. A vote that was campaigned with lies (on both sides), xenophobia and racism (on one side) and put to the people who have no REAL understanding on what they're voting on is not democratic. It's a play for a group of people to try to further their political careers with no real consideration for the normal public. The political elite will never feel the strain that we will whichever way the result had gone. They could argue whatever they like and not really worry about it. We're the ones that will suffer." I firmly believe the partisanship was the PMs fault. He should of played mediator. If either side got creative with the facts, he should of just presented uninterpreted facts. Along side the gov of the BoE. | |||
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"A meeting of 27 EU leaders has been scheduled for Wednesday to discuss Brexit - but Mr Cameron is not invited. hang on a minuet surely until the article 50 is invoked then this is an ilegal act! Just another typical lets do just what we want to do by the EU comittee. Better off out of it. " If he wasn't invited it's a mistake on their part, if the decided not to go, it's a great move on his... We should just freeze Europe out until we have our battle plans, which I think should be playing chicken with the economy and the upcoming eurozone nations elections... I like Europe and Europeans, but this has if ignited my competitive nature and I want them to feel the icy grip of our fingers round their necks as we starve them out... Just sayin  | |||
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"A meeting of 27 EU leaders has been scheduled for Wednesday to discuss Brexit - but Mr Cameron is not invited. hang on a minuet surely until the article 50 is invoked then this is an ilegal act! Just another typical lets do just what we want to do by the EU comittee. Better off out of it. " It would be odd if the UK was present in light of the result of the vote. You wanted isolationist chestbeating foreign policy this is want the reality looks like | |||
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"A meeting of 27 EU leaders has been scheduled for Wednesday to discuss Brexit - but Mr Cameron is not invited. hang on a minuet surely until the article 50 is invoked then this is an ilegal act! Just another typical lets do just what we want to do by the EU comittee. Better off out of it. It would be odd if the UK was present in light of the result of the vote. You wanted isolationist chestbeating foreign policy this is want the reality looks like "One of two things will happen.... Merkel gets her way and there is a calm realist negotiation, that works to keep both economies steady, placates the rest of the world and doesn't send Japan and the USA into a spin through their rapidly rising currencies. Everything goes back to normal and we have to pay a fee to access the market, but far reduced from what we were paying, plus we wouldn't need the entourage that comes with being part of the club. Or the other idiots get their way, we drag it out, Spain and Italy choke and dive bomb into a depression, the Northern Europeans have to throw money at the situation just to keep afloat, this drags the rest of the world into the vortex and right wing populists rise at the upcoming Spanish, French and German elections... When everyone has calmed down and got over being hit in the face, which no coward can take... They will realise calm pragmatism is the way forward... But in the mean time... Embrace the chaos... | |||
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"A meeting of 27 EU leaders has been scheduled for Wednesday to discuss Brexit - but Mr Cameron is not invited. hang on a minuet surely until the article 50 is invoked then this is an ilegal act! Just another typical lets do just what we want to do by the EU comittee. Better off out of it. It would be odd if the UK was present in light of the result of the vote. You wanted isolationist chestbeating foreign policy this is want the reality looks like "But until utherwise the UK is still a fully paid up member. Unless they want to pay the money back? | |||
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"So reading between the lines of the above... A single persons fear of initiating article 50, can pretty much disregard a democratic vote? Yeah, pretty much. The referendum wasn't a legally binding vote, remember. It was just to find out the will of the people. The government doesn't have to actually listen to it. It's going to be interesting to see just how "democratic" this country is. Already a Labour MP has outright said to ignore the result and remain. Seems to me like the only thing a lot of the "tolerant left" can't tolerate is a democratic vote that doesn't go in their favour. A vote that was campaigned with lies (on both sides), xenophobia and racism (on one side) and put to the people who have no REAL understanding on what they're voting on is not democratic. It's a play for a group of people to try to further their political careers with no real consideration for the normal public. The political elite will never feel the strain that we will whichever way the result had gone. They could argue whatever they like and not really worry about it. We're the ones that will suffer." There is nothing more democratic than a referendum. I'm sure that the UK public were able to understand and make an informed choice. They do have an average IQ of 100. | |||
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"A meeting of 27 EU leaders has been scheduled for Wednesday to discuss Brexit - but Mr Cameron is not invited. hang on a minuet surely until the article 50 is invoked then this is an ilegal act! Just another typical lets do just what we want to do by the EU comittee. Better off out of it. It would be odd if the UK was present in light of the result of the vote. You wanted isolationist chestbeating foreign policy this is want the reality looks like
But until utherwise the UK is still a fully paid up member. Unless they want to pay the money back?
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"So reading between the lines of the above... A single persons fear of initiating article 50, can pretty much disregard a democratic vote? Yeah, pretty much. The referendum wasn't a legally binding vote, remember. It was just to find out the will of the people. The government doesn't have to actually listen to it. It's going to be interesting to see just how "democratic" this country is. Already a Labour MP has outright said to ignore the result and remain. Seems to me like the only thing a lot of the "tolerant left" can't tolerate is a democratic vote that doesn't go in their favour. A vote that was campaigned with lies (on both sides), xenophobia and racism (on one side) and put to the people who have no REAL understanding on what they're voting on is not democratic. It's a play for a group of people to try to further their political careers with no real consideration for the normal public. The political elite will never feel the strain that we will whichever way the result had gone. They could argue whatever they like and not really worry about it. We're the ones that will suffer. There is nothing more democratic than a referendum. I'm sure that the UK public were able to understand and make an informed choice. They do have an average IQ of 100." There might not be anything more democratic than a referendum, but it was the way in which both sides used blatant lies and other scare-tactics to gain support. The average IQ may well be 100, but there is no way people were able to make an "informed", and certainly not "educated" decision. I was lucky enough to get good GCSE's, A Levels and a Degree. As were most of my friends. And we didn't have a clue what was going on and what was really the "right" decision to make. Because we're not the experts. The elected are. It's their job to make these kinds of decisions. | |||
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"So reading between the lines of the above... A single persons fear of initiating article 50, can pretty much disregard a democratic vote? Yeah, pretty much. The referendum wasn't a legally binding vote, remember. It was just to find out the will of the people. The government doesn't have to actually listen to it. It's going to be interesting to see just how "democratic" this country is. Already a Labour MP has outright said to ignore the result and remain. Seems to me like the only thing a lot of the "tolerant left" can't tolerate is a democratic vote that doesn't go in their favour. A vote that was campaigned with lies (on both sides), xenophobia and racism (on one side) and put to the people who have no REAL understanding on what they're voting on is not democratic. It's a play for a group of people to try to further their political careers with no real consideration for the normal public. The political elite will never feel the strain that we will whichever way the result had gone. They could argue whatever they like and not really worry about it. We're the ones that will suffer. There is nothing more democratic than a referendum. I'm sure that the UK public were able to understand and make an informed choice. They do have an average IQ of 100. There might not be anything more democratic than a referendum, but it was the way in which both sides used blatant lies and other scare-tactics to gain support. The average IQ may well be 100, but there is no way people were able to make an "informed", and certainly not "educated" decision. I was lucky enough to get good GCSE's, A Levels and a Degree. As were most of my friends. And we didn't have a clue what was going on and what was really the "right" decision to make. Because we're not the experts. The elected are. It's their job to make these kinds of decisions." You just missed the point of a referendum. | |||
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"So reading between the lines of the above... A single persons fear of initiating article 50, can pretty much disregard a democratic vote? Yeah, pretty much. The referendum wasn't a legally binding vote, remember. It was just to find out the will of the people. The government doesn't have to actually listen to it. It's going to be interesting to see just how "democratic" this country is. Already a Labour MP has outright said to ignore the result and remain. Seems to me like the only thing a lot of the "tolerant left" can't tolerate is a democratic vote that doesn't go in their favour. A vote that was campaigned with lies (on both sides), xenophobia and racism (on one side) and put to the people who have no REAL understanding on what they're voting on is not democratic. It's a play for a group of people to try to further their political careers with no real consideration for the normal public. The political elite will never feel the strain that we will whichever way the result had gone. They could argue whatever they like and not really worry about it. We're the ones that will suffer. There is nothing more democratic than a referendum. I'm sure that the UK public were able to understand and make an informed choice. They do have an average IQ of 100. There might not be anything more democratic than a referendum, but it was the way in which both sides used blatant lies and other scare-tactics to gain support. The average IQ may well be 100, but there is no way people were able to make an "informed", and certainly not "educated" decision. I was lucky enough to get good GCSE's, A Levels and a Degree. As were most of my friends. And we didn't have a clue what was going on and what was really the "right" decision to make. Because we're not the experts. The elected are. It's their job to make these kinds of decisions. You just missed the point of a referendum." No, I simply think that this was not an issue we needed a referendum on. | |||
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"So reading between the lines of the above... A single persons fear of initiating article 50, can pretty much disregard a democratic vote? Yeah, pretty much. The referendum wasn't a legally binding vote, remember. It was just to find out the will of the people. The government doesn't have to actually listen to it. It's going to be interesting to see just how "democratic" this country is. Already a Labour MP has outright said to ignore the result and remain. Seems to me like the only thing a lot of the "tolerant left" can't tolerate is a democratic vote that doesn't go in their favour. A vote that was campaigned with lies (on both sides), xenophobia and racism (on one side) and put to the people who have no REAL understanding on what they're voting on is not democratic. It's a play for a group of people to try to further their political careers with no real consideration for the normal public. The political elite will never feel the strain that we will whichever way the result had gone. They could argue whatever they like and not really worry about it. We're the ones that will suffer. There is nothing more democratic than a referendum. I'm sure that the UK public were able to understand and make an informed choice. They do have an average IQ of 100. There might not be anything more democratic than a referendum, but it was the way in which both sides used blatant lies and other scare-tactics to gain support. The average IQ may well be 100, but there is no way people were able to make an "informed", and certainly not "educated" decision. I was lucky enough to get good GCSE's, A Levels and a Degree. As were most of my friends. And we didn't have a clue what was going on and what was really the "right" decision to make. Because we're not the experts. The elected are. It's their job to make these kinds of decisions. You just missed the point of a referendum. No, I simply think that this was not an issue we needed a referendum on." Is that because you wanted to stay? We needed a refendum to find out what the people in the UK wanted to do. Without a referendum, we would not know. Now we do. It proves the point. | |||
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"So reading between the lines of the above... A single persons fear of initiating article 50, can pretty much disregard a democratic vote? Yeah, pretty much. The referendum wasn't a legally binding vote, remember. It was just to find out the will of the people. The government doesn't have to actually listen to it. It's going to be interesting to see just how "democratic" this country is. Already a Labour MP has outright said to ignore the result and remain. Seems to me like the only thing a lot of the "tolerant left" can't tolerate is a democratic vote that doesn't go in their favour. A vote that was campaigned with lies (on both sides), xenophobia and racism (on one side) and put to the people who have no REAL understanding on what they're voting on is not democratic. It's a play for a group of people to try to further their political careers with no real consideration for the normal public. The political elite will never feel the strain that we will whichever way the result had gone. They could argue whatever they like and not really worry about it. We're the ones that will suffer. There is nothing more democratic than a referendum. I'm sure that the UK public were able to understand and make an informed choice. They do have an average IQ of 100. There might not be anything more democratic than a referendum, but it was the way in which both sides used blatant lies and other scare-tactics to gain support. The average IQ may well be 100, but there is no way people were able to make an "informed", and certainly not "educated" decision. I was lucky enough to get good GCSE's, A Levels and a Degree. As were most of my friends. And we didn't have a clue what was going on and what was really the "right" decision to make. Because we're not the experts. The elected are. It's their job to make these kinds of decisions. You just missed the point of a referendum. No, I simply think that this was not an issue we needed a referendum on. Is that because you wanted to stay? We needed a refendum to find out what the people in the UK wanted to do. Without a referendum, we would not know. Now we do. It proves the point." ....... | |||
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"So reading between the lines of the above... A single persons fear of initiating article 50, can pretty much disregard a democratic vote? Yeah, pretty much. The referendum wasn't a legally binding vote, remember. It was just to find out the will of the people. The government doesn't have to actually listen to it. It's going to be interesting to see just how "democratic" this country is. Already a Labour MP has outright said to ignore the result and remain. Seems to me like the only thing a lot of the "tolerant left" can't tolerate is a democratic vote that doesn't go in their favour. A vote that was campaigned with lies (on both sides), xenophobia and racism (on one side) and put to the people who have no REAL understanding on what they're voting on is not democratic. It's a play for a group of people to try to further their political careers with no real consideration for the normal public. The political elite will never feel the strain that we will whichever way the result had gone. They could argue whatever they like and not really worry about it. We're the ones that will suffer. There is nothing more democratic than a referendum. I'm sure that the UK public were able to understand and make an informed choice. They do have an average IQ of 100. There might not be anything more democratic than a referendum, but it was the way in which both sides used blatant lies and other scare-tactics to gain support. The average IQ may well be 100, but there is no way people were able to make an "informed", and certainly not "educated" decision. I was lucky enough to get good GCSE's, A Levels and a Degree. As were most of my friends. And we didn't have a clue what was going on and what was really the "right" decision to make. Because we're not the experts. The elected are. It's their job to make these kinds of decisions. You just missed the point of a referendum. No, I simply think that this was not an issue we needed a referendum on." The elected are not experts, they are merely the elected. They are servants to the electorate although some of them seem to have ideas above their stations | |||
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"So reading between the lines of the above... A single persons fear of initiating article 50, can pretty much disregard a democratic vote? Yeah, pretty much. The referendum wasn't a legally binding vote, remember. It was just to find out the will of the people. The government doesn't have to actually listen to it. It's going to be interesting to see just how "democratic" this country is. Already a Labour MP has outright said to ignore the result and remain. Seems to me like the only thing a lot of the "tolerant left" can't tolerate is a democratic vote that doesn't go in their favour. A vote that was campaigned with lies (on both sides), xenophobia and racism (on one side) and put to the people who have no REAL understanding on what they're voting on is not democratic. It's a play for a group of people to try to further their political careers with no real consideration for the normal public. The political elite will never feel the strain that we will whichever way the result had gone. They could argue whatever they like and not really worry about it. We're the ones that will suffer. There is nothing more democratic than a referendum. I'm sure that the UK public were able to understand and make an informed choice. They do have an average IQ of 100. There might not be anything more democratic than a referendum, but it was the way in which both sides used blatant lies and other scare-tactics to gain support. The average IQ may well be 100, but there is no way people were able to make an "informed", and certainly not "educated" decision. I was lucky enough to get good GCSE's, A Levels and a Degree. As were most of my friends. And we didn't have a clue what was going on and what was really the "right" decision to make. Because we're not the experts. The elected are. It's their job to make these kinds of decisions. You just missed the point of a referendum. No, I simply think that this was not an issue we needed a referendum on. Is that because you wanted to stay? We needed a refendum to find out what the people in the UK wanted to do. Without a referendum, we would not know. Now we do. It proves the point." I never wanted the referendum as soon as the date was announced. Regardless of what I wanted, I do not think that leaving such a choice to decide in the hands of a 90 year old who, realistically, does not have much time left or an 18 year old who may not even have had their first job is the best course of action for a government that we have "democratically" voted into power. | |||
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"So reading between the lines of the above... A single persons fear of initiating article 50, can pretty much disregard a democratic vote? Yeah, pretty much. The referendum wasn't a legally binding vote, remember. It was just to find out the will of the people. The government doesn't have to actually listen to it. It's going to be interesting to see just how "democratic" this country is. Already a Labour MP has outright said to ignore the result and remain. Seems to me like the only thing a lot of the "tolerant left" can't tolerate is a democratic vote that doesn't go in their favour. A vote that was campaigned with lies (on both sides), xenophobia and racism (on one side) and put to the people who have no REAL understanding on what they're voting on is not democratic. It's a play for a group of people to try to further their political careers with no real consideration for the normal public. The political elite will never feel the strain that we will whichever way the result had gone. They could argue whatever they like and not really worry about it. We're the ones that will suffer. There is nothing more democratic than a referendum. I'm sure that the UK public were able to understand and make an informed choice. They do have an average IQ of 100. There might not be anything more democratic than a referendum, but it was the way in which both sides used blatant lies and other scare-tactics to gain support. The average IQ may well be 100, but there is no way people were able to make an "informed", and certainly not "educated" decision. I was lucky enough to get good GCSE's, A Levels and a Degree. As were most of my friends. And we didn't have a clue what was going on and what was really the "right" decision to make. Because we're not the experts. The elected are. It's their job to make these kinds of decisions. You just missed the point of a referendum. No, I simply think that this was not an issue we needed a referendum on. Is that because you wanted to stay? We needed a refendum to find out what the people in the UK wanted to do. Without a referendum, we would not know. Now we do. It proves the point. I never wanted the referendum as soon as the date was announced. Regardless of what I wanted, I do not think that leaving such a choice to decide in the hands of a 90 year old who, realistically, does not have much time left or an 18 year old who may not even have had their first job is the best course of action for a government that we have "democratically" voted into power." One was called live with it! | |||
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"So reading between the lines of the above... A single persons fear of initiating article 50, can pretty much disregard a democratic vote? Yeah, pretty much. The referendum wasn't a legally binding vote, remember. It was just to find out the will of the people. The government doesn't have to actually listen to it. It's going to be interesting to see just how "democratic" this country is. Already a Labour MP has outright said to ignore the result and remain. Seems to me like the only thing a lot of the "tolerant left" can't tolerate is a democratic vote that doesn't go in their favour. A vote that was campaigned with lies (on both sides), xenophobia and racism (on one side) and put to the people who have no REAL understanding on what they're voting on is not democratic. It's a play for a group of people to try to further their political careers with no real consideration for the normal public. The political elite will never feel the strain that we will whichever way the result had gone. They could argue whatever they like and not really worry about it. We're the ones that will suffer. There is nothing more democratic than a referendum. I'm sure that the UK public were able to understand and make an informed choice. They do have an average IQ of 100. There might not be anything more democratic than a referendum, but it was the way in which both sides used blatant lies and other scare-tactics to gain support. The average IQ may well be 100, but there is no way people were able to make an "informed", and certainly not "educated" decision. I was lucky enough to get good GCSE's, A Levels and a Degree. As were most of my friends. And we didn't have a clue what was going on and what was really the "right" decision to make. Because we're not the experts. The elected are. It's their job to make these kinds of decisions. You just missed the point of a referendum. No, I simply think that this was not an issue we needed a referendum on. Is that because you wanted to stay? We needed a refendum to find out what the people in the UK wanted to do. Without a referendum, we would not know. Now we do. It proves the point. I never wanted the referendum as soon as the date was announced. Regardless of what I wanted, I do not think that leaving such a choice to decide in the hands of a 90 year old who, realistically, does not have much time left or an 18 year old who may not even have had their first job is the best course of action for a government that we have "democratically" voted into power. One was called live with it!" And that's the point; I do have to live with it. Since when was it acceptable, in this day and age of "freedom of speech", to tell people to shut up for not liking something? | |||
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"So reading between the lines of the above... A single persons fear of initiating article 50, can pretty much disregard a democratic vote? Yeah, pretty much. The referendum wasn't a legally binding vote, remember. It was just to find out the will of the people. The government doesn't have to actually listen to it. It's going to be interesting to see just how "democratic" this country is. Already a Labour MP has outright said to ignore the result and remain. Seems to me like the only thing a lot of the "tolerant left" can't tolerate is a democratic vote that doesn't go in their favour. A vote that was campaigned with lies (on both sides), xenophobia and racism (on one side) and put to the people who have no REAL understanding on what they're voting on is not democratic. It's a play for a group of people to try to further their political careers with no real consideration for the normal public. The political elite will never feel the strain that we will whichever way the result had gone. They could argue whatever they like and not really worry about it. We're the ones that will suffer. There is nothing more democratic than a referendum. I'm sure that the UK public were able to understand and make an informed choice. They do have an average IQ of 100. There might not be anything more democratic than a referendum, but it was the way in which both sides used blatant lies and other scare-tactics to gain support. The average IQ may well be 100, but there is no way people were able to make an "informed", and certainly not "educated" decision. I was lucky enough to get good GCSE's, A Levels and a Degree. As were most of my friends. And we didn't have a clue what was going on and what was really the "right" decision to make. Because we're not the experts. The elected are. It's their job to make these kinds of decisions. You just missed the point of a referendum. No, I simply think that this was not an issue we needed a referendum on. Is that because you wanted to stay? We needed a refendum to find out what the people in the UK wanted to do. Without a referendum, we would not know. Now we do. It proves the point. I never wanted the referendum as soon as the date was announced. Regardless of what I wanted, I do not think that leaving such a choice to decide in the hands of a 90 year old who, realistically, does not have much time left or an 18 year old who may not even have had their first job is the best course of action for a government that we have "democratically" voted into power. And there our views on democracy clash I am afraid. What can be more democratic than asking the people to decide?" Hitler was a prolific user of referenda to over ride representative democracy and strengthen his political power with a series of highly populist decisions. Cameron's decision to go with referenda for Scotland and the EU have most likely ended the union of the UK and EU forever as a result of asking the people to decide. I guess over time we can debate the judgement of allowing the public to decide quite complex matters with a very binary yes or no vote. | |||
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"So reading between the lines of the above... A single persons fear of initiating article 50, can pretty much disregard a democratic vote? Yeah, pretty much. The referendum wasn't a legally binding vote, remember. It was just to find out the will of the people. The government doesn't have to actually listen to it. It's going to be interesting to see just how "democratic" this country is. Already a Labour MP has outright said to ignore the result and remain. Seems to me like the only thing a lot of the "tolerant left" can't tolerate is a democratic vote that doesn't go in their favour. A vote that was campaigned with lies (on both sides), xenophobia and racism (on one side) and put to the people who have no REAL understanding on what they're voting on is not democratic. It's a play for a group of people to try to further their political careers with no real consideration for the normal public. The political elite will never feel the strain that we will whichever way the result had gone. They could argue whatever they like and not really worry about it. We're the ones that will suffer. There is nothing more democratic than a referendum. I'm sure that the UK public were able to understand and make an informed choice. They do have an average IQ of 100. There might not be anything more democratic than a referendum, but it was the way in which both sides used blatant lies and other scare-tactics to gain support. The average IQ may well be 100, but there is no way people were able to make an "informed", and certainly not "educated" decision. I was lucky enough to get good GCSE's, A Levels and a Degree. As were most of my friends. And we didn't have a clue what was going on and what was really the "right" decision to make. Because we're not the experts. The elected are. It's their job to make these kinds of decisions. You just missed the point of a referendum. No, I simply think that this was not an issue we needed a referendum on. Is that because you wanted to stay? We needed a refendum to find out what the people in the UK wanted to do. Without a referendum, we would not know. Now we do. It proves the point. I never wanted the referendum as soon as the date was announced. Regardless of what I wanted, I do not think that leaving such a choice to decide in the hands of a 90 year old who, realistically, does not have much time left or an 18 year old who may not even have had their first job is the best course of action for a government that we have "democratically" voted into power. And there our views on democracy clash I am afraid. What can be more democratic than asking the people to decide? Hitler was a prolific user of referenda to over ride representative democracy and strengthen his political power with a series of highly populist decisions. Cameron's decision to go with referenda for Scotland and the EU have most likely ended the union of the UK and EU forever as a result of asking the people to decide. I guess over time we can debate the judgement of allowing the public to decide quite complex matters with a very binary yes or no vote." A reference to Hitler is rarely a good way to support an argument. The public are quite as able to make decisions as politicians. The public elects politicians to represent them. Politicians exist to represent the public. There is no sane argument to suggest that politicians exist in any other capacity. | |||
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"So reading between the lines of the above... A single persons fear of initiating article 50, can pretty much disregard a democratic vote? Yeah, pretty much. The referendum wasn't a legally binding vote, remember. It was just to find out the will of the people. The government doesn't have to actually listen to it. It's going to be interesting to see just how "democratic" this country is. Already a Labour MP has outright said to ignore the result and remain. Seems to me like the only thing a lot of the "tolerant left" can't tolerate is a democratic vote that doesn't go in their favour. A vote that was campaigned with lies (on both sides), xenophobia and racism (on one side) and put to the people who have no REAL understanding on what they're voting on is not democratic. It's a play for a group of people to try to further their political careers with no real consideration for the normal public. The political elite will never feel the strain that we will whichever way the result had gone. They could argue whatever they like and not really worry about it. We're the ones that will suffer. There is nothing more democratic than a referendum. I'm sure that the UK public were able to understand and make an informed choice. They do have an average IQ of 100. There might not be anything more democratic than a referendum, but it was the way in which both sides used blatant lies and other scare-tactics to gain support. The average IQ may well be 100, but there is no way people were able to make an "informed", and certainly not "educated" decision. I was lucky enough to get good GCSE's, A Levels and a Degree. As were most of my friends. And we didn't have a clue what was going on and what was really the "right" decision to make. Because we're not the experts. The elected are. It's their job to make these kinds of decisions. You just missed the point of a referendum. No, I simply think that this was not an issue we needed a referendum on. Is that because you wanted to stay? We needed a refendum to find out what the people in the UK wanted to do. Without a referendum, we would not know. Now we do. It proves the point. I never wanted the referendum as soon as the date was announced. Regardless of what I wanted, I do not think that leaving such a choice to decide in the hands of a 90 year old who, realistically, does not have much time left or an 18 year old who may not even have had their first job is the best course of action for a government that we have "democratically" voted into power. And there our views on democracy clash I am afraid. What can be more democratic than asking the people to decide? Hitler was a prolific user of referenda to over ride representative democracy and strengthen his political power with a series of highly populist decisions. Cameron's decision to go with referenda for Scotland and the EU have most likely ended the union of the UK and EU forever as a result of asking the people to decide. I guess over time we can debate the judgement of allowing the public to decide quite complex matters with a very binary yes or no vote. A reference to Hitler is rarely a good way to support an argument. The public are quite as able to make decisions as politicians. The public elects politicians to represent them. Politicians exist to represent the public. There is no sane argument to suggest that politicians exist in any other capacity." I wasn't using it to support any particular argument, just interesting to note. The will of the people has spoken and should be respected, but I'm not sure referenda within a representative democracy are the panacea they are held up to be. | |||
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"So reading between the lines of the above... A single persons fear of initiating article 50, can pretty much disregard a democratic vote? Yeah, pretty much. The referendum wasn't a legally binding vote, remember. It was just to find out the will of the people. The government doesn't have to actually listen to it. It's going to be interesting to see just how "democratic" this country is. Already a Labour MP has outright said to ignore the result and remain. Seems to me like the only thing a lot of the "tolerant left" can't tolerate is a democratic vote that doesn't go in their favour. A vote that was campaigned with lies (on both sides), xenophobia and racism (on one side) and put to the people who have no REAL understanding on what they're voting on is not democratic. It's a play for a group of people to try to further their political careers with no real consideration for the normal public. The political elite will never feel the strain that we will whichever way the result had gone. They could argue whatever they like and not really worry about it. We're the ones that will suffer. There is nothing more democratic than a referendum. I'm sure that the UK public were able to understand and make an informed choice. They do have an average IQ of 100. There might not be anything more democratic than a referendum, but it was the way in which both sides used blatant lies and other scare-tactics to gain support. The average IQ may well be 100, but there is no way people were able to make an "informed", and certainly not "educated" decision. I was lucky enough to get good GCSE's, A Levels and a Degree. As were most of my friends. And we didn't have a clue what was going on and what was really the "right" decision to make. Because we're not the experts. The elected are. It's their job to make these kinds of decisions. You just missed the point of a referendum. No, I simply think that this was not an issue we needed a referendum on. Is that because you wanted to stay? We needed a refendum to find out what the people in the UK wanted to do. Without a referendum, we would not know. Now we do. It proves the point. I never wanted the referendum as soon as the date was announced. Regardless of what I wanted, I do not think that leaving such a choice to decide in the hands of a 90 year old who, realistically, does not have much time left or an 18 year old who may not even have had their first job is the best course of action for a government that we have "democratically" voted into power." Oh the "I never wanted one anyway argument" Well I don't want to pay tax! I don't want an NHS I don't want train or bus services I don't want social cate I don't want unemployment or state benefit of any kind. I don't want unelected officials I'm Brussels ruling me. In fact I don't want stupid, silver spoon, ignoramuses with no experience of the world ruining me from their big poncy building in London either. I don't want the police. You see I am cheap, i want for so little, if everyone was like me, we wouldn't need to worry about the finances of this nation at all....? | |||
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"So reading between the lines of the above... A single persons fear of initiating article 50, can pretty much disregard a democratic vote? Yeah, pretty much. The referendum wasn't a legally binding vote, remember. It was just to find out the will of the people. The government doesn't have to actually listen to it. It's going to be interesting to see just how "democratic" this country is. Already a Labour MP has outright said to ignore the result and remain. Seems to me like the only thing a lot of the "tolerant left" can't tolerate is a democratic vote that doesn't go in their favour. A vote that was campaigned with lies (on both sides), xenophobia and racism (on one side) and put to the people who have no REAL understanding on what they're voting on is not democratic. It's a play for a group of people to try to further their political careers with no real consideration for the normal public. The political elite will never feel the strain that we will whichever way the result had gone. They could argue whatever they like and not really worry about it. We're the ones that will suffer. There is nothing more democratic than a referendum. I'm sure that the UK public were able to understand and make an informed choice. They do have an average IQ of 100. There might not be anything more democratic than a referendum, but it was the way in which both sides used blatant lies and other scare-tactics to gain support. The average IQ may well be 100, but there is no way people were able to make an "informed", and certainly not "educated" decision. I was lucky enough to get good GCSE's, A Levels and a Degree. As were most of my friends. And we didn't have a clue what was going on and what was really the "right" decision to make. Because we're not the experts. The elected are. It's their job to make these kinds of decisions. You just missed the point of a referendum. No, I simply think that this was not an issue we needed a referendum on. Is that because you wanted to stay? We needed a refendum to find out what the people in the UK wanted to do. Without a referendum, we would not know. Now we do. It proves the point. I never wanted the referendum as soon as the date was announced. Regardless of what I wanted, I do not think that leaving such a choice to decide in the hands of a 90 year old who, realistically, does not have much time left or an 18 year old who may not even have had their first job is the best course of action for a government that we have "democratically" voted into power. One was called live with it! And that's the point; I do have to live with it. Since when was it acceptable, in this day and age of "freedom of speech", to tell people to shut up for not liking something?not sure where I have told anyone to shut up, forum rules and my own keen belief in free speech would prohibit that. In many cultures, the wisdom of the elderly is revered and cherished, you would have their lifetimes of experience negated because you believe their voice and opinion doesn't count for much. Perhaps you should have called for compulsory euthanasia for anyone nearing retirement age before they had a chance to cast their votes " | |||
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" There is nothing more democratic than a referendum. I'm sure that the UK public were able to understand and make an informed choice. They do have an average IQ of 100. There might not be anything more democratic than a referendum, but it was the way in which both sides used blatant lies and other scare-tactics to gain support. The average IQ may well be 100, but there is no way people were able to make an "informed", and certainly not "educated" decision. I was lucky enough to get good GCSE's, A Levels and a Degree. As were most of my friends. And we didn't have a clue what was going on and what was really the "right" decision to make. Because we're not the experts. The elected are. It's their job to make these kinds of decisions." You mean like Osborne lol yes, he may be considered an expert but? an expert in what | |||
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" There is nothing more democratic than a referendum. I'm sure that the UK public were able to understand and make an informed choice. They do have an average IQ of 100. There might not be anything more democratic than a referendum, but it was the way in which both sides used blatant lies and other scare-tactics to gain support. The average IQ may well be 100, but there is no way people were able to make an "informed", and certainly not "educated" decision. I was lucky enough to get good GCSE's, A Levels and a Degree. As were most of my friends. And we didn't have a clue what was going on and what was really the "right" decision to make. Because we're not the experts. The elected are. It's their job to make these kinds of decisions. You mean like Osborne lol yes, he may be considered an expert but? an expert in what " it might be rusty but I am pretty certain my economic qualifications are better than Gideons. Who remembers the Greek finance minister handing him his arse on a plate? | |||
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" There is nothing more democratic than a referendum. I'm sure that the UK public were able to understand and make an informed choice." Lol? And besides, Hitler attained power by democratic means | |||
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" There is nothing more democratic than a referendum. I'm sure that the UK public were able to understand and make an informed choice. Lol? And besides, Hitler attained power by democratic means "Anyway, weren't you supposed to be taking me away from all this? Belize wasn't it? | |||
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"If the UK had put as much effort into reforming the EU as it needs to to make a success of Brexit, the UK and the EU would both be better off. imo" You cannot reform the EU because it does not want reform, just more and more control. No amount of talking is going to change it as Juncker says that's the deal take it or leave it. | |||
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"If this Italian is such a good economist maybe you should push him to the front of line to sort out the Italian economy or maybe the whole of the EU. "and why? u leavers decided to ignore all economists lol | |||
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"If the UK had put as much effort into reforming the EU as it needs to to make a success of Brexit, the UK and the EU would both be better off. imo You cannot reform the EU because it does not want reform, just more and more control. No amount of talking is going to change it as Juncker says that's the deal take it or leave it. " Juncker said u decided to leave us. so get away asap. u wanted to count as much as Germany with a foot in and the other out. | |||
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"So now we just need to be positive and get on with it "The weaker pound makes it easier to export and we are still in the EU till the dealing is finished so yes guys get out the and sell sell sell. | |||
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"So now we just need to be positive and get on with it The weaker pound makes it easier to export and we are still in the EU till the dealing is finished so yes guys get out the and sell sell sell."oh yes and what the hell uk exports? i tell u nothing.u import 40% of your food and all raw material. lol and all will cost much more. | |||
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"This is a well renowned Italian economic journalists view of how Brexit affects both the UK and the EU He quotes the figures. http://youtu.be/i9cLwoTkWes I dont trust the italians since i found out dolmio was made in belgium" an Italian would never eat that shit. | |||
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" Im very sad. I live at the southeast of Spain. Many british people live here and, to me, is like my family. " most of those who voted leave never left their village lol | |||
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"If the UK had put as much effort into reforming the EU as it needs to to make a success of Brexit, the UK and the EU would both be better off. imo" agree all they did was complaining because Germany was on the lead with a foot in and one out and asking for privileges. | |||
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"To get out of the debt were in, you'll need inflation... Alot of it!. The pound falling is inflation in the making, every major economy in the world is desperate for inflation because there debt is to large. " if your debt in in dollars or euros it will be bigger by now | |||
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