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"He's only been in no 10 for five minutes give him a chance! " Not happy with the direction he's going .. he was going to increase inheritance tax plus other things that I'd label as gimmicky | |||
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"He's only been in no 10 for five minutes give him a chance! Not happy with the direction he's going .. he was going to increase inheritance tax plus other things that I'd label as gimmicky " It seems that everyone wants things fixed over night and if that doesn't happen they clamour for whoever is in charge to go. Someone new comes in and starts all over from the beginning. What we need is stability and to be prepared for it to take a while for things to improve instead of this never ending cycle of blame and infighting. | |||
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"Personally I think he's proving to be utter f*ing shite! Prisons and justice system collapsing NHS up shit creek School buildings falling to bits illegal immigrants still piling into the country All of which costing an unbelievable an absolute fortune with no fixes in sight ... Is there ANY good news ?!? " Bloody hell, did all that start in the last two weeks? | |||
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"Personally I think he's proving to be utter f*ing shite! Prisons and justice system collapsing NHS up shit creek School buildings falling to bits illegal immigrants still piling into the country All of which costing an unbelievable an absolute fortune with no fixes in sight ... Is there ANY good news ?!? " You do understand why all of these are happening, right? The good news (for you at least) is that the numbers of people arriving at the UK border via small boats are considerably lower than when Reform member Suella Braverman was Home Secretary. The other things are partially due to a few geopolitical reasons, but mainly because idiots put morons in charge for about fifteen years. | |||
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"My thought for starters.. Had any new illegal migrants onto a cruise ship. And when full, sail them to the Falklands or ascention island .. Portacabin sheds put into prison grounds to increase capacity Reopen old prisons after a quick refurb. I saw one closed prison that was still operational. Plus boot out foreigners with minor offences.. That could save billions for starters.. " | |||
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"Personally I think he's proving to be utter f*ing shite! Prisons and justice system collapsing NHS up shit creek School buildings falling to bits illegal immigrants still piling into the country All of which costing an unbelievable an absolute fortune with no fixes in sight " Do you honestly think any of those things have got worse in the past 2 weeks? You can't blame Andy for stuff that was in place when he arrived. Give him a chance to get his feet under the table before judging him. | |||
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"Embarrassing Grow up " Oh? .. okay then. The government can move illegal immigrants .. young men near your house then. Perhaps extremists, thrives burglars or generally unpleasant people harrasing and intimidating you but that's okay👍🏻 | |||
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"Embarrassing Grow up Oh? .. okay then. The government can move illegal immigrants .. young men near your house then. Perhaps extremists, thrives burglars or generally unpleasant people harrasing and intimidating you but that's okay👍🏻 " That happened under the Tories too, but okay. | |||
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"Embarrassing Grow up Oh? .. okay then. The government can move illegal immigrants .. young men near your house then. Perhaps extremists, thrives burglars or generally unpleasant people harrasing and intimidating you but that's okay👍🏻 That happened under the Tories too, but okay." I don't care who it was in the past. It's the current government that should be setting things straight whatever their colour.. but okay . As long as it's not you nimbys affected it's all okay | |||
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"Embarrassing Grow up Oh? .. okay then. The government can move illegal immigrants .. young men near your house then. Perhaps extremists, thrives burglars or generally unpleasant people harrasing and intimidating you but that's okay👍🏻 That happened under the Tories too, but okay. I don't care who it was in the past. It's the current government that should be setting things straight whatever their colour.. but okay . As long as it's not you nimbys affected it's all okay " Maybe get a grip of yourself here. Its embarrassing. | |||
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"Embarrassing Grow up Oh? .. okay then. The government can move illegal immigrants .. young men near your house then. Perhaps extremists, thrives burglars or generally unpleasant people harrasing and intimidating you but that's okay👍🏻 That happened under the Tories too, but okay. I don't care who it was in the past. It's the current government that should be setting things straight whatever their colour.. but okay . As long as it's not you nimbys affected it's all okay Maybe get a grip of yourself here. Its embarrassing. " That's your opinion and your entitled to it, enjoy your comfy life in nimby land | |||
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"So far it's just a couple of word salad speeches with no questions taken and one interview on the very Labour friendly BBC. He's taken no questions from anywhere else, hasn't stood up in Parliament as PM yet. And now he's buggered off on his jollies. He's hit the ground running all right. Running away!" So you’re approaching this with an open mind then? | |||
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"Personally I think he's proving to be utter f*ing shite! Prisons and justice system collapsing NHS up shit creek School buildings falling to bits illegal immigrants still piling into the country All of which costing an unbelievable an absolute fortune with no fixes in sight ... Is there ANY good news ?!? " He's been in the job a couple of weeks and has 15 years of Tory decline and decimation to undo, he's not Harry Potter, there isn't a magic wand. It will take years to claw our economy back. But we as a population are sooo impatient. | |||
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"So far it's just a couple of word salad speeches with no questions taken and one interview on the very Labour friendly BBC. He's taken no questions from anywhere else, hasn't stood up in Parliament as PM yet. And now he's buggered off on his jollies. He's hit the ground running all right. Running away! So you’re approaching this with an open mind then?" Open mind, closed mind, uncle Tom Cobleys mind. If I've missed any of his other achievements pray tell. | |||
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"So far it's just a couple of word salad speeches with no questions taken and one interview on the very Labour friendly BBC. He's taken no questions from anywhere else, hasn't stood up in Parliament as PM yet. And now he's buggered off on his jollies. He's hit the ground running all right. Running away! So you’re approaching this with an open mind then? Open mind, closed mind, uncle Tom Cobleys mind. If I've missed any of his other achievements pray tell." I dunno, it’s been a couple of weeks. Maybe governing the country isn’t that simple that you can make everything better in a fortnight? | |||
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"Too many people are so entrenched in their opinions that they refuse to consider the possibility of change. All of the current problems are long standing, they will take time, money and commitment to resolve. No matter who is in charge a quick fix is impossible but its good fodder for the moaners and nay sayers." I tend to agree but I think a lot of people want change but at no personal inconvenience or cost and they want it to be immediate. It's going to take years, decades even for some things to be fixed and a lot of money. | |||
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"So far it's just a couple of word salad speeches with no questions taken and one interview on the very Labour friendly BBC. He's taken no questions from anywhere else, hasn't stood up in Parliament as PM yet. And now he's buggered off on his jollies. He's hit the ground running all right. Running away! So you’re approaching this with an open mind then? Open mind, closed mind, uncle Tom Cobleys mind. If I've missed any of his other achievements pray tell. I dunno, it’s been a couple of weeks. Maybe governing the country isn’t that simple that you can make everything better in a fortnight?" Of course he can't do much in a fortnight (it is a bit longer than that BTW) but after such a high profile coup you would have thought that the Messiah would have at least got started. But no, a couple of speeches which said very little and a sterile interview. That's it. Nada mas. And now he's fucked off on holiday leaving a convicted fraudster in charge. Hardly inspires confidence. | |||
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"Personally I think he's proving to be utter f*ing shite! Prisons and justice system collapsing NHS up shit creek School buildings falling to bits illegal immigrants still piling into the country All of which costing an unbelievable an absolute fortune with no fixes in sight ... Is there ANY good news ?!? " as much as I ain't a labour fan he's on been in a few weeks albeit he's back tracking on the prison release let's see | |||
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"Personally I think he's proving to be utter f*ing shite! Prisons and justice system collapsing NHS up shit creek School buildings falling to bits illegal immigrants still piling into the country All of which costing an unbelievable an absolute fortune with no fixes in sight ... Is there ANY good news ?!? as much as I ain't a labour fan he's on been in a few weeks albeit he's back tracking on the prison release let's see " Definitely the cop killer duo jailed for manslaughter that's up for release. I can't believe the government can't just make exceptions on cases like rather than a blanket release scheme and apologise for something they can rectify | |||
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"Personally I think he's proving to be utter f*ing shite! Prisons and justice system collapsing NHS up shit creek School buildings falling to bits illegal immigrants still piling into the country All of which costing an unbelievable an absolute fortune with no fixes in sight ... Is there ANY good news ?!? as much as I ain't a labour fan he's on been in a few weeks albeit he's back tracking on the prison release let's see Definitely the cop killer duo jailed for manslaughter that's up for release. I can't believe the government can't just make exceptions on cases like rather than a blanket release scheme and apologise for something they can rectify " they probably can but are they really wanting to. | |||
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"Personally I think he's proving to be utter f*ing shite! Prisons and justice system collapsing NHS up shit creek School buildings falling to bits illegal immigrants still piling into the country All of which costing an unbelievable an absolute fortune with no fixes in sight ... Is there ANY good news ?!? as much as I ain't a labour fan he's on been in a few weeks albeit he's back tracking on the prison release let's see Definitely the cop killer duo jailed for manslaughter that's up for release. I can't believe the government can't just make exceptions on cases like rather than a blanket release scheme and apologise for something they can rectify " They do need a clear policy or they will be forever going through individual cases. A simple solution would have been to exclude anyone convicted of an offence involving harm to an emergency worker while they were carrying out their duties. | |||
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"He's taken no questions from anywhere else, hasn't stood up in Parliament as PM yet. And now he's buggered off on his jollies." Be fair. Everyone has buggered off on their jollies, so even if he was here he wouldn't be able to get anything done. | |||
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"Personally I think he's proving to be utter f*ing shite! Prisons and justice system collapsing NHS up shit creek School buildings falling to bits illegal immigrants still piling into the country All of which costing an unbelievable an absolute fortune with no fixes in sight ... Is there ANY good news ?!? as much as I ain't a labour fan he's on been in a few weeks albeit he's back tracking on the prison release let's see Definitely the cop killer duo jailed for manslaughter that's up for release. I can't believe the government can't just make exceptions on cases like rather than a blanket release scheme and apologise for something they can rectify They do need a clear policy or they will be forever going through individual cases. A simple solution would have been to exclude anyone convicted of an offence involving harm to an emergency worker while they were carrying out their duties." Yes that is a good idea. | |||
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"So let's make it simple and easy to remember; Burnham will be even more unpopular than Starmer was this time next year if he increases taxes on working people and continues to ignore taxing wealth." I'm going to say that if he leaves working people alone and starts taxing wealth, he'll end up just as unpopular. | |||
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"So far it's just a couple of word salad speeches with no questions taken and one interview on the very Labour friendly BBC. He's taken no questions from anywhere else, hasn't stood up in Parliament as PM yet. And now he's buggered off on his jollies. He's hit the ground running all right. Running away! So you’re approaching this with an open mind then? Open mind, closed mind, uncle Tom Cobleys mind. If I've missed any of his other achievements pray tell. I dunno, it’s been a couple of weeks. Maybe governing the country isn’t that simple that you can make everything better in a fortnight? Of course he can't do much in a fortnight (it is a bit longer than that BTW) but after such a high profile coup you would have thought that the Messiah would have at least got started. But no, a couple of speeches which said very little and a sterile interview. That's it. Nada mas. And now he's fucked off on holiday leaving a convicted fraudster in charge. Hardly inspires confidence." What did you want him to do? And how long has he been Prime Minister? | |||
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"Personally I think he's proving to be utter f*ing shite! Prisons and justice system collapsing NHS up shit creek School buildings falling to bits illegal immigrants still piling into the country All of which costing an unbelievable an absolute fortune with no fixes in sight ... Is there ANY good news ?!? as much as I ain't a labour fan he's on been in a few weeks albeit he's back tracking on the prison release let's see Definitely the cop killer duo jailed for manslaughter that's up for release. I can't believe the government can't just make exceptions on cases like rather than a blanket release scheme and apologise for something they can rectify " I like the law to be the law, I’m not comfortable with the government being able to make exceptions because they feel like it. | |||
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"So let's make it simple and easy to remember; Burnham will be even more unpopular than Starmer was this time next year if he increases taxes on working people and continues to ignore taxing wealth. I'm going to say that if he leaves working people alone and starts taxing wealth, he'll end up just as unpopular." Agreeing with both, they are out of options No plans for growth, anaemic economy, £3tn in debt, construction at nine year low, 1.5 million new homes won’t be built, uk car production halved in a decade. A few more quid on cgt rates and an estate tax won’t generate much as welfare spending increases. | |||
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"So let's make it simple and easy to remember; Burnham will be even more unpopular than Starmer was this time next year if he increases taxes on working people and continues to ignore taxing wealth. I'm going to say that if he leaves working people alone and starts taxing wealth, he'll end up just as unpopular. Agreeing with both, they are out of options No plans for growth, anaemic economy, £3tn in debt, construction at nine year low, 1.5 million new homes won’t be built, uk car production halved in a decade. A few more quid on cgt rates and an estate tax won’t generate much as welfare spending increases. " What Burnham should be doing is fixing the big problems asap. The prisons crisis and the immigration crisis. Immigration being a huge burdon on taxpayers. . Other lesser yet important issues need to be sorted later | |||
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"So let's make it simple and easy to remember; Burnham will be even more unpopular than Starmer was this time next year if he increases taxes on working people and continues to ignore taxing wealth. I'm going to say that if he leaves working people alone and starts taxing wealth, he'll end up just as unpopular. Agreeing with both, they are out of options No plans for growth, anaemic economy, £3tn in debt, construction at nine year low, 1.5 million new homes won’t be built, uk car production halved in a decade. A few more quid on cgt rates and an estate tax won’t generate much as welfare spending increases. What Burnham should be doing is fixing the big problems asap. The prisons crisis and the immigration crisis. Immigration being a huge burdon on taxpayers. . Other lesser yet important issues need to be sorted later " 30% of uk adults have a criminal record. I can’t blame Burnham for that. They built nightingale hospitals quick enough can do the same for prisons, 50k army to keep them secure £8bn on immigration - less than a months interest on the national debt. But yes, so put navy gunboats in the channel | |||
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"So far it's just a couple of word salad speeches with no questions taken and one interview on the very Labour friendly BBC. He's taken no questions from anywhere else, hasn't stood up in Parliament as PM yet. And now he's buggered off on his jollies. He's hit the ground running all right. Running away! So you’re approaching this with an open mind then? Open mind, closed mind, uncle Tom Cobleys mind. If I've missed any of his other achievements pray tell. I dunno, it’s been a couple of weeks. Maybe governing the country isn’t that simple that you can make everything better in a fortnight? Of course he can't do much in a fortnight (it is a bit longer than that BTW) but after such a high profile coup you would have thought that the Messiah would have at least got started. But no, a couple of speeches which said very little and a sterile interview. That's it. Nada mas. And now he's fucked off on holiday leaving a convicted fraudster in charge. Hardly inspires confidence. What did you want him to do? " Be Prime Minister would be a start. | |||
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"30% of uk adults have a criminal record" You mean - 30% if UK adults have data recorded about them in the police database. A good chunk of them are victims of crime, or unsubstantiated allegations. | |||
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"So let's make it simple and easy to remember; Burnham will be even more unpopular than Starmer was this time next year if he increases taxes on working people and continues to ignore taxing wealth. I'm going to say that if he leaves working people alone and starts taxing wealth, he'll end up just as unpopular. Agreeing with both, they are out of options No plans for growth, anaemic economy, £3tn in debt, construction at nine year low, 1.5 million new homes won’t be built, uk car production halved in a decade. A few more quid on cgt rates and an estate tax won’t generate much as welfare spending increases. " Taxing wealth only works if it is seen as being reasonable. And I mean by the wealthy themselves. Once they view it as punitive the seriously wealthy will just pack up and move out. Of course some will stay but the overall tax take will reduce just like it did in the 60's and 70's. We even had a name for it back then "the brain drain". The "Laffer Curve" is a real thing. Look what happened in France a few years ago when Hollande raised the top rate to 75%. Any one with serious money just bailed out. For a while, based on French population numbers, London became the 6th largest French city. Tax all you want but as my old dad used to say. 100% of nowt is nowt. | |||
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"So let's make it simple and easy to remember; Burnham will be even more unpopular than Starmer was this time next year if he increases taxes on working people and continues to ignore taxing wealth. I'm going to say that if he leaves working people alone and starts taxing wealth, he'll end up just as unpopular. Agreeing with both, they are out of options No plans for growth, anaemic economy, £3tn in debt, construction at nine year low, 1.5 million new homes won’t be built, uk car production halved in a decade. A few more quid on cgt rates and an estate tax won’t generate much as welfare spending increases. What Burnham should be doing is fixing the big problems asap. The prisons crisis and the immigration crisis. Immigration being a huge burdon on taxpayers. . Other lesser yet important issues need to be sorted later 30% of uk adults have a criminal record. I can’t blame Burnham for that. They built nightingale hospitals quick enough can do the same for prisons, 50k army to keep them secure £8bn on immigration - less than a months interest on the national debt. But yes, so put navy gunboats in the channel " 1. We don't have any gunboat any more. 2. Larger warships are not agile enough to cope with rubber inflatables. 3. Short of running them down there is not much the Navy could practically accomplish. 4. International law and public opinion would be against such action. 5. We do have obligations with regard to genuine asylum seekers. 6. Mr Farages latest hare brained Operation Fortress scheme even had a picture of HMS Ocean on its front cover - a ship sold to Brazil many years ago. Attention to detail is not his forte. | |||
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"So let's make it simple and easy to remember; Burnham will be even more unpopular than Starmer was this time next year if he increases taxes on working people and continues to ignore taxing wealth. I'm going to say that if he leaves working people alone and starts taxing wealth, he'll end up just as unpopular. Agreeing with both, they are out of options No plans for growth, anaemic economy, £3tn in debt, construction at nine year low, 1.5 million new homes won’t be built, uk car production halved in a decade. A few more quid on cgt rates and an estate tax won’t generate much as welfare spending increases. What Burnham should be doing is fixing the big problems asap. The prisons crisis and the immigration crisis. Immigration being a huge burdon on taxpayers. . Other lesser yet important issues need to be sorted later 30% of uk adults have a criminal record. I can’t blame Burnham for that. They built nightingale hospitals quick enough can do the same for prisons, 50k army to keep them secure £8bn on immigration - less than a months interest on the national debt. But yes, so put navy gunboats in the channel " Weren't some of the nightingale hospitals little more than tents, rather than prison buildings, which require substantially more hardware and security measures? | |||
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"1. We don't have any gunboat any more. 2. Larger warships are not agile enough to cope with rubber inflatables." If Reform were in government they could acquire some smaller boats that were more suitable. We probably already have a warehouse full of confiscated inflatable boats. "3. Short of running them down there is not much the Navy could practically accomplish." They could tie a line to the front of the boat and tow it back to France. "4. International law and public opinion would be against such action." International law says that it's the duty of any seafarer to pick up anyone that is in danger. It also says that such a person must be looked after until they are dropped off at the port of destination of the rescuer. If the Navy boats just happened to be going to France, anyone picked up on the way could be legally dropped off there. Why would public opinion be against this? Who would object to preventing needless deaths in the channel? "5. We do have obligations with regard to genuine asylum seekers." We have obligations to all asylum seekers, genuine or not. But people picked up mid-channel have not claimed asylum and are therefore not asylum seekers. We have no obligations to them other than to see them safely ashore. "6. Mr Farages latest hare brained Operation Fortress scheme even had a picture of HMS Ocean on its front cover - a ship sold to Brazil many years ago. Attention to detail is not his forte." You don't honestly think that Farage was the man doing the Photoshop work do you? | |||
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"So let's make it simple and easy to remember; Burnham will be even more unpopular than Starmer was this time next year if he increases taxes on working people and continues to ignore taxing wealth. I'm going to say that if he leaves working people alone and starts taxing wealth, he'll end up just as unpopular. Agreeing with both, they are out of options No plans for growth, anaemic economy, £3tn in debt, construction at nine year low, 1.5 million new homes won’t be built, uk car production halved in a decade. A few more quid on cgt rates and an estate tax won’t generate much as welfare spending increases. What Burnham should be doing is fixing the big problems asap. The prisons crisis and the immigration crisis. Immigration being a huge burdon on taxpayers. . Other lesser yet important issues need to be sorted later 30% of uk adults have a criminal record. I can’t blame Burnham for that. They built nightingale hospitals quick enough can do the same for prisons, 50k army to keep them secure £8bn on immigration - less than a months interest on the national debt. But yes, so put navy gunboats in the channel 1. We don't have any gunboat any more. 2. Larger warships are not agile enough to cope with rubber inflatables. 3. Short of running them down there is not much the Navy could practically accomplish. 4. International law and public opinion would be against such action. 5. We do have obligations with regard to genuine asylum seekers. 6. Mr Farages latest hare brained Operation Fortress scheme even had a picture of HMS Ocean on its front cover - a ship sold to Brazil many years ago. Attention to detail is not his forte. " I have to agree Nigel farage's idea is for the birds tbh. Collecting immigrants to overseas British territories would be an option as I've mentioned. | |||
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"So let's make it simple and easy to remember; Burnham will be even more unpopular than Starmer was this time next year if he increases taxes on working people and continues to ignore taxing wealth. I'm going to say that if he leaves working people alone and starts taxing wealth, he'll end up just as unpopular. Agreeing with both, they are out of options No plans for growth, anaemic economy, £3tn in debt, construction at nine year low, 1.5 million new homes won’t be built, uk car production halved in a decade. A few more quid on cgt rates and an estate tax won’t generate much as welfare spending increases. What Burnham should be doing is fixing the big problems asap. The prisons crisis and the immigration crisis. Immigration being a huge burdon on taxpayers. . Other lesser yet important issues need to be sorted later 30% of uk adults have a criminal record. I can’t blame Burnham for that. They built nightingale hospitals quick enough can do the same for prisons, 50k army to keep them secure £8bn on immigration - less than a months interest on the national debt. But yes, so put navy gunboats in the channel 1. We don't have any gunboat any more. 2. Larger warships are not agile enough to cope with rubber inflatables. 3. Short of running them down there is not much the Navy could practically accomplish. 4. International law and public opinion would be against such action. 5. We do have obligations with regard to genuine asylum seekers. 6. Mr Farages latest hare brained Operation Fortress scheme even had a picture of HMS Ocean on its front cover - a ship sold to Brazil many years ago. Attention to detail is not his forte. I have to agree Nigel farage's idea is for the birds tbh. Collecting immigrants to overseas British territories would be an option as I've mentioned. " I hear that St Helena is nice at this time of year. Once upon a time there was a little French bloke who fancied asylum in Britain. We sent him there with no problem.  | |||
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"So let's make it simple and easy to remember; Burnham will be even more unpopular than Starmer was this time next year if he increases taxes on working people and continues to ignore taxing wealth. I'm going to say that if he leaves working people alone and starts taxing wealth, he'll end up just as unpopular. Agreeing with both, they are out of options No plans for growth, anaemic economy, £3tn in debt, construction at nine year low, 1.5 million new homes won’t be built, uk car production halved in a decade. A few more quid on cgt rates and an estate tax won’t generate much as welfare spending increases. What Burnham should be doing is fixing the big problems asap. The prisons crisis and the immigration crisis. Immigration being a huge burdon on taxpayers. . Other lesser yet important issues need to be sorted later " think we just have very different priorities. Immigration is obviously a concern for a significant proportion of the UK public, but the popularity of an issue doesn't necessarily tell us how important it is economically. Personally, I'm far more concerned about the cost of living, stagnant productivity, housing, deteriorating public infrastructure and decades of inadequate public and private investment in essential services. I'm hardly alone in that either; people in my own social circle come from all walks of life and hold contrasting political opinions, yet I'd say most if not all would agree on those priorities being front and centre in their lives. Ironically, several of those priorities I just said are problems you identified in your original post OP, whereas you're now saying immigration and prisons should take priority over everything else. You may have changed your view, which you're perfectly entitled to do, but can you clarify? I also don't accept the premise that immigration is simply a "huge burden on taxpayers". The economic evidence is considerably more nuanced than that. Migrants are also workers, taxpayers and consumers who contribute to economic output or GDP; I find the overuse of GDP as an economic measure rather irritating given it's so generic, only looks at the macro and not the micro. That doesn't mean there aren't legitimate concerns about the level or composition of immigration (ones I have myself), or the additional demand it can create for housing and public services. I'm absolutely behind a government reforming the current immigration system, because clearly there are problems with it. But it's also worth keeping the scale in perspective: small-boat arrivals represent well under 5% of overall immigration, despite receiving a disproportionate amount of political and media attention. And when discussing headline immigration numbers, it's important to distinguish gross immigration from net migration, which also accounts for the people who leave the UK. We can disagree about the order of priorities without pretending either of us speaks for the entire country though.  | |||
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"Personally, I'm far more concerned about the cost of living, stagnant productivity, housing, deteriorating public infrastructure and decades of inadequate public and private investment in essential services..." I think everybody is concerned about those things. But the fact is that housing and feeding a huge number of asylum seekers is expensive. Doing that costs a few billion that could otherwise be spent on fixing some of the country's problems. It's not unreasonable for someone to think think that saving a lot of money is the first thing we need to do, and is therefore the most important thing to them. "I also don't accept the premise that immigration is simply a "huge burden on taxpayers". The economic evidence is considerably more nuanced than that. Migrants are also workers, taxpayers and consumers who contribute to economic output or GDP ..." Here you've decided to conflate illegal immigration and legal immigration. Very few people are against immigration in general, they're just against the sort of immigrant that costs the country money. | |||
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"So let's make it simple and easy to remember; Burnham will be even more unpopular than Starmer was this time next year if he increases taxes on working people and continues to ignore taxing wealth. I'm going to say that if he leaves working people alone and starts taxing wealth, he'll end up just as unpopular. Agreeing with both, they are out of options No plans for growth, anaemic economy, £3tn in debt, construction at nine year low, 1.5 million new homes won’t be built, uk car production halved in a decade. A few more quid on cgt rates and an estate tax won’t generate much as welfare spending increases. What Burnham should be doing is fixing the big problems asap. The prisons crisis and the immigration crisis. Immigration being a huge burdon on taxpayers. . Other lesser yet important issues need to be sorted later think we just have very different priorities. Immigration is obviously a concern for a significant proportion of the UK public, but the popularity of an issue doesn't necessarily tell us how important it is economically. Personally, I'm far more concerned about the cost of living, stagnant productivity, housing, deteriorating public infrastructure and decades of inadequate public and private investment in essential services. I'm hardly alone in that either; people in my own social circle come from all walks of life and hold contrasting political opinions, yet I'd say most if not all would agree on those priorities being front and centre in their lives. Ironically, several of those priorities I just said are problems you identified in your original post OP, whereas you're now saying immigration and prisons should take priority over everything else. You may have changed your view, which you're perfectly entitled to do, but can you clarify? I also don't accept the premise that immigration is simply a "huge burden on taxpayers". The economic evidence is considerably more nuanced than that. Migrants are also workers, taxpayers and consumers who contribute to economic output or GDP; I find the overuse of GDP as an economic measure rather irritating given it's so generic, only looks at the macro and not the micro. That doesn't mean there aren't legitimate concerns about the level or composition of immigration (ones I have myself), or the additional demand it can create for housing and public services. I'm absolutely behind a government reforming the current immigration system, because clearly there are problems with it. But it's also worth keeping the scale in perspective: small-boat arrivals represent well under 5% of overall immigration, despite receiving a disproportionate amount of political and media attention. And when discussing headline immigration numbers, it's important to distinguish gross immigration from net migration, which also accounts for the people who leave the UK. We can disagree about the order of priorities without pretending either of us speaks for the entire country though. "That was my opinion on the priority list. Illegal immigration is a problem with a domino effect. It means spending huge amounts to feed house clothe them and also it mean less affordable housing for others, medical and social services impact possibly increase of crime, social unrest .. all of which is emptying the public purse. Personally, I would halt the HS2 project. I wouldn't be looking to a kid increasing tax as many people are already squeezed. Yes get the economy going too by All means but the longer the government waits the worse it will get .. and rapidly too | |||
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"So let's make it simple and easy to remember; Burnham will be even more unpopular than Starmer was this time next year if he increases taxes on working people and continues to ignore taxing wealth. I'm going to say that if he leaves working people alone and starts taxing wealth, he'll end up just as unpopular. Agreeing with both, they are out of options No plans for growth, anaemic economy, £3tn in debt, construction at nine year low, 1.5 million new homes won’t be built, uk car production halved in a decade. A few more quid on cgt rates and an estate tax won’t generate much as welfare spending increases. Taxing wealth only works if it is seen as being reasonable. And I mean by the wealthy themselves. Once they view it as punitive the seriously wealthy will just pack up and move out. Of course some will stay but the overall tax take will reduce just like it did in the 60's and 70's. We even had a name for it back then "the brain drain". The "Laffer Curve" is a real thing. Look what happened in France a few years ago when Hollande raised the top rate to 75%. Any one with serious money just bailed out. For a while, based on French population numbers, London became the 6th largest French city. Tax all you want but as my old dad used to say. 100% of nowt is nowt. " My biggest concern is the increasingly regressive nature of taxation over the past couple of decades and the burden being placed on earned income. Interestingly, when people complain about "brain drain" or argue that hard work should be rewarded, they're ultimately identifying that same problem and practically agree: how and where tax is applied, matters! Not simply how much tax the state takes in. I think you're conflating income with wealth here, not the same at all. I'm not disputing the Laffer Curve as a legitimate economic theory and it's not difficult to believe or even find evidence on behavioural responses to taxation. Likewise, excessively taxing mobile earned income can encourage people to relocate. I'm not disputing either, but they don't really bear much relationship to what I'm talking about. I'll explain why; the Hollande's 75% French tax was on very high INCOME earned, and not accumulated WEALTH. Someone earning £500k-5m a year is in a fundamentally different category from someone already owning £10m+ in businesses, shares, property and other assets. At these levels, wealth is rarely primarily derived from a salary (income). There are perfectly legitimate arguments against wealth taxation, valuation, liquidity, avoidance and mobility among them. And no sensible person will dispute that, but just because sometimes you encounter difficulty doesn't mean you give up and go "ah well that's not worth it" because any talk of a reform will get pushback. Repeatedly invoking "Laffer Curve", "brain drain" or Hollande's 75% income tax doesn't really address those questions. If anything, those statements indirectly support the case I'm making: if anyone’s concerned about taxing work so heavily that we discourage it or drive high earners away, perhaps we should be looking harder at taxing enormous concentrations of accumulated wealth rather than continually increasing the burden on earned income.🤷♂️ | |||
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"There are perfectly legitimate arguments against wealth taxation, valuation, liquidity, avoidance and mobility among them." But are there any legitimate arguments in favour of taxing wealth? Apart from 'he's got more than me, that's not fair', I can't see any reason why wealth should be targeted for taxation. | |||
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"I can't see any reason why wealth should be targeted for taxation" So let me get this straight, because the distinction you're making is interesting. What you're saying is that taxing large accumulations of wealth requires some special justification, yet taxing someone's earned income at marginal rates of 40%+ doesn't? Why should someone generating income through productive work continually shoulder more of the tax burden, while someone controlling tens or hundreds of millions in accumulated wealth apparently requires a separate justification before that wealth can even be considered as a tax base?  | |||
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"Personally I think he's proving to be utter f*ing shite! Prisons and justice system collapsing NHS up shit creek School buildings falling to bits illegal immigrants still piling into the country All of which costing an unbelievable an absolute fortune with no fixes in sight ... Is there ANY good news ?!? " You forgot Brexit was a success... Oh wait it wasn't... Wonder who's idea that was? | |||
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"Jeeesus what a bunch of moaning old women you lot are. Try living elsewhere then you will be thankful for what we have in this imperfect country, As for Burnham a fair start but he is hampered by the shit state of the world economies. Things are going to be slow to recover but expect more integration with EU on trade." Spot on. The “everything is shit” brigade continually talking the country down along with an unhealthy preoccupation with some unspecified past golden age. The country is imperfect, always has been but it remains one of the best countries in the world to live in for overall quality of life and security for most people. So less whining and whinging and a little more appreciation please for just how fortunate we are. | |||
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"You can’t blame Burnham for all the country’s problems. We’re £3trillion in debt, the annual interest bill is £100 billion, equivalent to roughly £260 per household every month. That isn’t going away anytime soon. Economic growth is anaemic, and Brexit hasn’t helped. It could take a decades to recover from its effects. The problems facing the NHS have also been building for years. More than half the country is overweight or obese. Add smoking diseases, alcoholism, drug abuse and treating obesity, this is a chunky proportion of the NHS budget swallowed up. France has received/to receive £1.14 billion to stop the boats. What will a tweak on IHT do to boost treasury income? " all the politicians say that we need immigration for GDP growth….. actually, per capita, GDP has dropped significantly since mass immigration. It is a lie that it increases the wealth of the country. The NHS is fucked. Recruitment freezes across the board. If anyone thinks that waiting list are going down, then they need to head wobbling. How do waiting lists go down when you have few staff? This new Mental Health gimmick that Cooper and he minions have come up with is a shower of shite. No extra staff, therefore already overstretched staff will be stretched even further when they have to take on this role too… Burnham has promoted a convicted fraudster to a very senior position, he has also made someone who lost their job as housing secretary due to evading tax, the new housing secretary. Is he taking the piss? Releasing rapists/violent criminals early is an inter disaster. Moronic beyond belief, especially when we have 10,000 foreign criminals in our jails, who should be deported immediately. Don’t get me started on illegal immigration….. anyone who thinks that has improved needs to open their eyes or they probably live in the middle of nowhere. Go to any large town or city and you will see it. Burnham will soon become very unpopular. He is very smug, he doesn’t have a mandate and he will not be PM past 2029z Have a lovely day. | |||
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"Jeeesus what a bunch of moaning old women you lot are. Try living elsewhere then you will be thankful for what we have in this imperfect country, As for Burnham a fair start but he is hampered by the shit state of the world economies. Things are going to be slow to recover but expect more integration with EU on trade. Spot on. The “everything is shit” brigade continually talking the country down along with an unhealthy preoccupation with some unspecified past golden age. The country is imperfect, always has been but it remains one of the best countries in the world to live in for overall quality of life and security for most people. So less whining and whinging and a little more appreciation please for just how fortunate we are. " Exactly this 👏👏👏 Think he should be brave enough to take a leaf out of Mamdani’s book 🤞 E | |||
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" The NHS is fucked. Recruitment freezes across the board. If anyone thinks that waiting list are going down, then they need to head wobbling. How do waiting lists go down when you have few staff? This new Mental Health gimmick that Cooper and he minions have come up with is a shower of shite. No extra staff, therefore already overstretched staff will be stretched even further when they have to take on this role too… " How is this the NHS’s or the government’s fault? Half the country is overweight, a third of children are overweight, and 26% of adults are obese. People are filling themselves with unhealthy food, smoking and drinking themselves to death, along with all the associated health problems. And when it comes to mental health, it seems that many people want an ADHD badge now. Three million valid Blue Badge holders at 31 March 2025 in England alone, another 300,000 in Scotland. Department for Transport Self-reported disability: In 2024/25, 23% of working-age adults met the Equality Act-style definition of disability—approximately 9.5–10 million people. Many of them work and receive no disability benefit. Family Resources Survey * Receiving a sickness or disability benefit: The government’s broader estimate is approximately one in ten working-age people, or roughly 4.2 million. This includes overlapping incapacity and extra-cost benefits, so individual benefit totals cannot simply be added together. Government impact assessment * PIP specifically: In April 2026, 3.3 million working-age people were entitled to Personal Independence Payment in the DWP-administered system. Scotland is transferring claimants to its separate Adult Disability Payment system, complicating a direct UK total. PIP statistics | |||
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" And when it comes to mental health, it seems that many people want an ADHD badge now. " The thing about ADHD is that it’s not becoming more prevalent, just more recognised. The world is built around what is good for neurotypical people, and extroverted neurotypical people at that. If we want to stop things like ADHD and ASD being seen as a bad thing, then we need to start aligning working practices around what works for neurodivergent people, as we do neurotypical people. Sadly though, the world is rigidly built around the traditional 9-5 working day. Even when we know that the ideal hours for secondary school kids are 10-6 rather than 8-4, we would rather have poorly performing kids with mental health issues, than inconvenience employers. The world is changing, and we need to change with it. | |||
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"He has said a lot of populist things but is only really fiddling around the edges. His policies will cost the ever dwindling number of net contributors to the economy more so we can pay those who don’t contribute." Today’s announcement bringing forward the ban on 'subscription traps' to ease cost of living £400 million to be saved according to bbc, about £1 per household per month. Savings dwarfed by council tax rises. | |||
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"But are there any legitimate arguments in favour of taxing wealth? Apart from 'he's got more than me, that's not fair', I can't see any reason why wealth should be targeted for taxation." "So let me get this straight, because the distinction you're making is interesting. What you're saying is that taxing large accumulations of wealth requires some special justification, yet taxing someone's earned income at marginal rates of 40%+ doesn't?" I'm not sure where you got that idea, I've said nothing about income tax. As it happens, I don't think the higher rate of tax is justifiable either morally or economically. "Why should someone generating income through productive work continually shoulder more of the tax burden, while someone controlling tens or hundreds of millions in accumulated wealth apparently requires a separate justification before that wealth can even be considered as a tax base?" Double taxation. If we are going to tax income, then all of the wealth that someone possesses has already been taxed when it arrived to them as income. It shouldn't be taxed again simply because that person is prudent with their wealth and hasn't just pissed it all up against the wall. Even those very few landed gentry with huge country estates have already paid inheritance tax on everything when they came into possession of it. Why should we tax that wealth again? | |||
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"all the politicians say that we need immigration for GDP growth….. actually, per capita, GDP has dropped significantly since mass immigration. " Of course it has. If you introduce more capitas, then GDP has to be spread out over more capitas, so GDP per capita will fall. But the politicians aren't talking about GDP per capita, they're taking about GDP, which needs to grow, and introducing more cheap labour will help that. | |||
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"all the politicians say that we need immigration for GDP growth….. actually, per capita, GDP has dropped significantly since mass immigration. Of course it has. If you introduce more capitas, then GDP has to be spread out over more capitas, so GDP per capita will fall. But the politicians aren't talking about GDP per capita, they're taking about GDP, which needs to grow, and introducing more cheap labour will help that." However, as per capita productivity is falling everyone feels worse off. | |||
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"Don't worry our new AI overlords will sort it all out." You’re right. Elon the Wise says there’s no need to save because AI is going to change the value of everything. Elon predicts that in ten years time money will no longer matter thanks to the extensive power of AI. AI and robots will be able to provide more goods and services than humans could ever need. | |||
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"Don't worry our new AI overlords will sort it all out. You’re right. Elon the Wise says there’s no need to save because AI is going to change the value of everything. Elon predicts that in ten years time money will no longer matter thanks to the extensive power of AI. AI and robots will be able to provide more goods and services than humans could ever need. " How are his rockets doing these days? | |||
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"Don't worry our new AI overlords will sort it all out. You’re right. Elon the Wise says there’s no need to save because AI is going to change the value of everything. Elon predicts that in ten years time money will no longer matter thanks to the extensive power of AI. AI and robots will be able to provide more goods and services than humans could ever need. How are his rockets doing these days?" About as well as his recent rocket crash interview with the editor-in-chief of The Economist…at least the latter half of the interview. The first half focused on his rockets / AI. The second half ventured into politics. Never a good place for Elon to go because he always comes across a bit swivelled eyed. He has since called The Economist’s EiC a “traitor to the west”. Go figure. | |||
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"all the politicians say that we need immigration for GDP growth….. actually, per capita, GDP has dropped significantly since mass immigration." "Of course it has. If you introduce more capitas, then GDP has to be spread out over more capitas, so GDP per capita will fall. But the politicians aren't talking about GDP per capita, they're taking about GDP, which needs to grow, and introducing more cheap labour will help that." "However, as per capita productivity is falling everyone feels worse off." Nonsense. Nobody looks at the GDP figures to work out if they are better off or not. | |||
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"We don't vote for any PM. We vote for a local politician. Their party has a leader and if they get sufficient votes that person becomes PM." Oooooh don't be coming on here with common sense observations like that, whatever you do 🤣 If there'd been General Elections every time a Prime Minister resigned or was ousted, we'd have had an extra EIGHT since Wilson retired in March 1976. As for Burnham himself....well, I no longer have the urge to throw a brick at the television every time the Prime Minister comes on ! Starmer had no communication skills whatsoever, he just talked down to & patronised us. Burnham CAN'T be any worse, seems far more a natural politician. He has the recess & Party Conference season ahead, so I guess it will be the autumn before we begin to get used to him as PM. I don't buy this "the public knows nothing about him" angle, he's been around more than long enough. Give him a chance to settle in and see how it goes | |||
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"all the politicians say that we need immigration for GDP growth….. actually, per capita, GDP has dropped significantly since mass immigration. Of course it has. If you introduce more capitas, then GDP has to be spread out over more capitas, so GDP per capita will fall. But the politicians aren't talking about GDP per capita, they're taking about GDP, which needs to grow, and introducing more cheap labour will help that. However, as per capita productivity is falling everyone feels worse off. Nonsense. Nobody looks at the GDP figures to work out if they are better off or not." Not rubbish at all. If population growth is higher than GDP growth then per capita productivity is falling. This tends to depress wage growth and increase pressure on services and housing while not increasing revenue to compensate. So nobody needs to look at GDP. They will already be feeling worse off. We should only allow immigration from people who will make a net contribution to the economy. That is, people who will pay more in taxes than they receive in benefits and state support. | |||
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"We don't vote for any PM. We vote for a local politician. Their party has a leader and if they get sufficient votes that person becomes PM. Oooooh don't be coming on here with common sense observations like that, whatever you do 🤣 If there'd been General Elections every time a Prime Minister resigned or was ousted, we'd have had an extra EIGHT since Wilson retired in March 1976. As for Burnham himself....well, I no longer have the urge to throw a brick at the television every time the Prime Minister comes on ! Starmer had no communication skills whatsoever, he just talked down to & patronised us. Burnham CAN'T be any worse, seems far more a natural politician. He has the recess & Party Conference season ahead, so I guess it will be the autumn before we begin to get used to him as PM. I don't buy this "the public knows nothing about him" angle, he's been around more than long enough. Give him a chance to settle in and see how it goes " "Eight extra PM's since Wilson" makes the assumption that the sitting (caretaker) PM would have lost every time. Yes it could have been eight but it also could have been none, or anywhere in-between. Britain does vote for a parliament that then chooses the PM (usually on party lines). In theory, and law, that is correct. But in the modern age with 24 hour rolling news it is a defacto vote for the party leaders. I'll bet that half of the electorate couldn't even name their local MP. The vast majority vote for a party and the leader of that party is a prime consideration. I get the "brick at the TV" analogy. Starmer was pretty bloody useless and I suppose Burnham can't be any worse. But will he be any better? I doubt it. At least Starmer did make an (albeit feeble) attempt to rein in the burgeoning welfare bill but he was soundly beaten by his own back benchers. Burnham is in hock to those very same back benchers so I see no change there. And, like it or not, change there has to be before the IMF come along and make those changes for him. Like Starmer he has no clue about how to tackle the small boat issue. Labour may be trumpeting some percentage point reduction but still almost 1000 made the crossing last weekend. If he doesn't get a grip on that it will ultimately destroy him. So at the end of the day he is fully entitled to sit tight for another 3 years or pick his moment to go to the country. However that is a very poor look for someone who didn't even stand as an MP at the last GE. | |||
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"He's spending a week on a tour of the UK to assess the impact of cost of living. Christ Almighty, he was the mayor of Manchester he MUST know all this already. Sadly it's starting to look like he's managing the optics not the issues." People don’t feel listened to by politicians, so he’s going on a listening tour around the country. Whether it’s optics management or not, it’s good politics. | |||
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"He's spending a week on a tour of the UK to assess the impact of cost of living. Christ Almighty, he was the mayor of Manchester he MUST know all this already. Sadly it's starting to look like he's managing the optics not the issues." It's nothing more than a vanity tour. Something akin to the FA Cup winners open bus tour through the city/town centre. Lift that cup Andy lad, LIFT THAT CUP! | |||
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"He's spending a week on a tour of the UK to assess the impact of cost of living. Christ Almighty, he was the mayor of Manchester he MUST know all this already. Sadly it's starting to look like he's managing the optics not the issues. People don’t feel listened to by politicians, so he’s going on a listening tour around the country. Whether it’s optics management or not, it’s good politics." 👍👍 | |||
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"He's spending a week on a tour of the UK to assess the impact of cost of living. Christ Almighty, he was the mayor of Manchester he MUST know all this already. Sadly it's starting to look like he's managing the optics not the issues. It's nothing more than a vanity tour. Something akin to the FA Cup winners open bus tour through the city/town centre. Lift that cup Andy lad, LIFT THAT CUP!" Jury’s out for me atm he’s been in the job a month. Disappointed to see Rayner reappointed Healey has no expertise in the top financial role Have to wait and see. | |||
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"He's spending a week on a tour of the UK to assess the impact of cost of living. Christ Almighty, he was the mayor of Manchester he MUST know all this already. Sadly it's starting to look like he's managing the optics not the issues. People don’t feel listened to by politicians, so he’s going on a listening tour around the country. Whether it’s optics management or not, it’s good politics." I don't think it is good politics and it could seriously backfire on him. Many people will see him waving the cup (see my other post above) then take a look at a boat in the channel with more people aboard than a Boeing 737. He only needs one Gordon Brown in Rochdale moment to scupper the lot. | |||
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"He's spending a week on a tour of the UK to assess the impact of cost of living. Christ Almighty, he was the mayor of Manchester he MUST know all this already. Sadly it's starting to look like he's managing the optics not the issues. It's nothing more than a vanity tour. Something akin to the FA Cup winners open bus tour through the city/town centre. Lift that cup Andy lad, LIFT THAT CUP! Jury’s out for me atm he’s been in the job a month. Disappointed to see Rayner reappointed Healey has no expertise in the top financial role Have to wait and see. " An interesting bit of history there. Can anyone remember the surname of the Chancellor when Britain went cap in hand to the IMF? Makes you think.  | |||
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"He's spending a week on a tour of the UK to assess the impact of cost of living. Christ Almighty, he was the mayor of Manchester he MUST know all this already. Sadly it's starting to look like he's managing the optics not the issues. People don’t feel listened to by politicians, so he’s going on a listening tour around the country. Whether it’s optics management or not, it’s good politics. I don't think it is good politics and it could seriously backfire on him. Many people will see him waving the cup (see my other post above) then take a look at a boat in the channel with more people aboard than a Boeing 737. He only needs one Gordon Brown in Rochdale moment to scupper the lot. " Will they, or is that just you? And if they do, were they ever going to vote for him anyway? I’m not a big fan of Burnham but one thing he definitely knows how to do is communicate. | |||
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" If there'd been General Elections every time a Prime Minister resigned or was ousted, we'd have had an extra EIGHT since Wilson retired in March 1976. "Eight extra PM's since Wilson" I should have made that a little clearer, my point was there would have been eight General Elections since 1976 if one was automatically called every time a PM resigned/retired (Wilson, Thatcher, Blair, Cameron, May, Johnson, Truss, Starmer) rather than lost power via the ballot box. Wouldn't exactly be a blueprint for stable Government." OK clarification accepted. However the changes that you list hardly made those governments more stable. I don't advocate that Britain should rush into an election from the first week. However I do think that if a governing party changes leader (and by default PM) then an election must be held within 6 months. What has happened in the last half century reminds me of the musical chairs scene in Evita. As it stands, theoretically at least, Milliband who lost at the ballot box when he was leader could have replaced Starmer who won a GE. And then served longer as PM than Starmer.
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"He's spending a week on a tour of the UK to assess the impact of cost of living. Christ Almighty, he was the mayor of Manchester he MUST know all this already. Sadly it's starting to look like he's managing the optics not the issues. People don’t feel listened to by politicians, so he’s going on a listening tour around the country. Whether it’s optics management or not, it’s good politics. I don't think it is good politics and it could seriously backfire on him. Many people will see him waving the cup (see my other post above) then take a look at a boat in the channel with more people aboard than a Boeing 737. He only needs one Gordon Brown in Rochdale moment to scupper the lot. Will they, or is that just you? And if they do, were they ever going to vote for him anyway? I’m not a big fan of Burnham but one thing he definitely knows how to do is communicate." It's certainly not "just" me. The small (if you can still say small) boats problem/issue/crisis, call it what you will, is forefront in the minds of millions of voters and it's not going away any time soon. Yes Burnham does communicate better than Starmer, then again so could my 12 year old grandson, but so far we've only heard cliches, soundbites and an overhyped wish list which has faced hardly any scrutiny. He's already put the shits up the bond markets and other than "we've got to do things better" has said nothing at all on the boats. Swanning around the country on a victory lap and setting up a symbolic and very expensive No 10 north does not address the very real and immediate problems that the country faces. He should be in the real No 10 and getting a grip. | |||
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"He's spending a week on a tour of the UK to assess the impact of cost of living. Christ Almighty, he was the mayor of Manchester he MUST know all this already. Sadly it's starting to look like he's managing the optics not the issues. People don’t feel listened to by politicians, so he’s going on a listening tour around the country. Whether it’s optics management or not, it’s good politics. I don't think it is good politics and it could seriously backfire on him. Many people will see him waving the cup (see my other post above) then take a look at a boat in the channel with more people aboard than a Boeing 737. He only needs one Gordon Brown in Rochdale moment to scupper the lot. Will they, or is that just you? And if they do, were they ever going to vote for him anyway? I’m not a big fan of Burnham but one thing he definitely knows how to do is communicate." Yes, for sure he knows how to communicate, but is that ALL he knows? Is there any substance? Time will tell, but there's some disturbing red flags. | |||
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"The man is a balloon! Full of air and nothing else" My thoughts as soon as this while affair started with someone stepping down in makerfield for him to be whisked into number 10. While others celebrated I wasn't happy at all .. | |||
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"Just seen the news.. Andy Burnham will say that middle class areas must take illegal migrants too. So that's his big supa doopa plan then!! FFS ! No stopping the boats then. " Asylum seekers are always going to come, and we should always be a country asylum seeker want to come to. Spreading the responsibility around is a good thing. | |||
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"Just seen the news.. Andy Burnham will say that middle class areas must take illegal migrants too. So that's his big supa doopa plan then!! FFS ! No stopping the boats then. " Won't be long before they are opening up rooms in Buck House. | |||
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"all the politicians say that we need immigration for GDP growth….. actually, per capita, GDP has dropped significantly since mass immigration." "Of course it has. If you introduce more capitas, then GDP has to be spread out over more capitas, so GDP per capita will fall. But the politicians aren't talking about GDP per capita, they're taking about GDP, which needs to grow, and introducing more cheap labour will help that." "However, as per capita productivity is falling everyone feels worse off." "Nonsense. Nobody looks at the GDP figures to work out if they are better off or not." "Not rubbish at all. If population growth is higher than GDP growth then per capita productivity is falling. This tends to depress wage growth and increase pressure on services and housing while not increasing revenue to compensate. So nobody needs to look at GDP. They will already be feeling worse off." You seem to be confusing some of the terms. GDP is the combined value of all the goods and services sold. GDP per capita is what economists call "productivity", i.e. the amount of 'stuff' produced per person. If we imported 1m expectant women from Australia, the population would increase by 1m straight away, then by another 1m when they all gave birth. These women aren't working so GDP doesn't increase, but we now have lots more people so productivity (or GDP per capita) falls dramatically. None of the country's workers experienced any change, they still have the same job and the same wage. The fall in productivity doesn't affect them at all. "We should only allow immigration from people who will make a net contribution to the economy. That is, people who will pay more in taxes than they receive in benefits and state support." I certainly agree with that bit. | |||
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"Just seen the news.. Andy Burnham will say that middle class areas must take illegal migrants too. So that's his big supa doopa plan then!! FFS ! No stopping the boats then. " 1013 in last three days. | |||
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"Just seen the news.. Andy Burnham will say that middle class areas must take illegal migrants too. So that's his big supa doopa plan then!! FFS ! No stopping the boats then. Asylum seekers are always going to come, and we should always be a country asylum seeker want to come to. Spreading the responsibility around is a good thing." You are aware of legal immigration controlled by the government and illegal uncontrollable immigration with all sorts of criminals amongst them ? | |||
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"Just seen the news.. Andy Burnham will say that middle class areas must take illegal migrants too. So that's his big supa doopa plan then!! FFS ! No stopping the boats then. Asylum seekers are always going to come, and we should always be a country asylum seeker want to come to. Spreading the responsibility around is a good thing. You are aware of legal immigration controlled by the government and illegal uncontrollable immigration with all sorts of criminals amongst them ?" It is not illegal to enter the country to claim asylum. The asylum claim provides a statutory defence against any prosecution for illegal entry. | |||
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"It is not illegal to enter the country to claim asylum." Yes it is. "The asylum claim provides a statutory defence against any prosecution for illegal entry." Untrue. Those seeking or granted asylum cannot be prosecuted for immigration offences. That is not the same thing as having a defence against such a charge. | |||
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"Personally I think he's proving to be utter f*ing shite! Prisons and justice system collapsing NHS up shit creek School buildings falling to bits illegal immigrants still piling into the country All of which costing an unbelievable an absolute fortune with no fixes in sight ... Is there ANY good news ?!? " Your the reason we have had so many pms in the last 20 years. | |||
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