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"More than 65,000 people have been evacuated across France and Spain as wildfires burn in each country. Reported huge fire near Madrid impossible to contain. Many in lockdown. • €2bn crops perished in Europe this summer •. Net zero looking unachievable The next 50 years could change civilisation Should we continue on the net zero path or is nature going to win? " Imagine how bad it would be if climate change wasn’t a hoax! | |||
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"What is net zero going to do in the short term? What does learning to "adapt" in the short term give us? Change the crops we grow, change our outlook and adapt. I'm convinced that the first question is not going to be answered with anything meaningful. As for the second question, I think people are so hooked into the mantra of net zero that they cant think of anything other." Have you considered that it’s not about what net zero can do for us in the short term, but about giving humanity a chance of a future? | |||
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"What is net zero going to do in the short term? What does learning to "adapt" in the short term give us? Change the crops we grow, change our outlook and adapt. I'm convinced that the first question is not going to be answered with anything meaningful. As for the second question, I think people are so hooked into the mantra of net zero that they cant think of anything other. Have you considered that it’s not about what net zero can do for us in the short term, but about giving humanity a chance of a future?" Thank you  | |||
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"More than 65,000 people have been evacuated across France and Spain as wildfires burn in each country. Reported huge fire near Madrid impossible to contain. Many in lockdown. • €2bn crops perished in Europe this summer •. Net zero looking unachievable The next 50 years could change civilisation Should we continue on the net zero path or is nature going to win? " tell us what you think | |||
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"Word on the street is that the vast majority of people are concerned about climate change and the vast majority people also hate the term Net Zero. Go figure...." That's because Net Nero will have a cost to the people even 5% on fule and energy to help with NET ZERO is unaffordable to most. | |||
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"Within 24 hrs the evacuees are 220,000 and Spain's government has declared a national emergency, on top of those evacuated another 40,000 have been told to stay indoors. Growing up in the 80’s the news showed third world famine and drinking water. Now it’s developed countries being impacted. We are not prepared, long periods of drought is making farming difficult, if this continued and dry periods were four months duration, instead of two, an entire season of food production could be lost. Time to start listening to climate scientists. " Water companies have spent hundreds of millions building aquifers that are capable of storing vast amounts of water. The issue is they then allow leaks to go unchecked or repaired. Commercial waste. Seems quite ironic we live on an island surrounded by water yet are in a drought  | |||
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"Word on the street is that the vast majority of people are concerned about climate change and the vast majority people also hate the term Net Zero. Go figure...." I'd be on board with net zero if it wasn't just another reason to skim people for money and was actually environmentally friendly. Cars twice the size full of batteries and metals that are more harmful for the environment than anything previously used, not economical to run. World leaders jetting around the world. Look at the world cup how much did all those extra flights impact the environment? Infantino flying to as many matches as possible when he could have stayed in one place watching on tv..... The list goes on. Net zero ,double standards. | |||
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"Word on the street is that the vast majority of people are concerned about climate change and the vast majority people also hate the term Net Zero. Go figure...." I'd be on board with net zero if it wasn't just another reason to skim people for money and was actually environmentally friendly. Cars twice the size full of batteries and metals that are more harmful for the environment than anything previously used, not economical to run. World leaders jetting around the world. Look at the world cup how much did all those extra flights impact the environment? Infantino flying to as many matches as possible when he could have stayed in one place watching on tv..... The list goes on. Net zero ,double standards. | |||
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"But yes we are witnessing climate change before our eyes, how much is natural how much is man made ? " Can’t answer that Either way tho plans need to be made. On the water storage, AI says uk gets 280trn litres rainfall annually and domestic consumption 5.8trn litres (2%) so there is plenty excess capacity for storage | |||
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""... is nature going to win?" It always does. If the yearly rises in temperature are caused by the Earth's axial tilt or whatever, rather than greenhouse gas emissions, there ain't too much we can do about it. Remember, the last ice age during which most of Britain was uninhabitable ended only about 12,000 years ago. But you and I will be long dead before our particular neck of the woods becomes an unliveable wasteland." In the meantime while we wait for climate armageddon the early signs are gradual progressive breakdown - are we prepared for that ? | |||
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"What have you done to lower your carbon footprint ? If you can afford to do it, do it and stop trying to blame someone else." Agreed. Uk makes a 1% contribution to global emissions, although more with globalised food imports and manufacturing. 2bn more people and their consumption by 2070/80, most to be borne into emerging economies aspiring to western living standards. | |||
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"What have you done to lower your carbon footprint ? If you can afford to do it, do it and stop trying to blame someone else. Agreed. Uk makes a 1% contribution to global emissions, although more with globalised food imports and manufacturing. 2bn more people and their consumption by 2070/80, most to be borne into emerging economies aspiring to western living standards. The biggest polluting countries if they cut their carbon footprint by just a few percent would make a huge difference. We are the only habited planet for billions of miles in every direction yet we seem determined to destroy it. Maybe those distance planet's that seem uninhabitable were teeming with life once upon a time and a species similar to humans decimated them, leaving them void of life. " | |||
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"What have you done to lower your carbon footprint ? If you can afford to do it, do it and stop trying to blame someone else. Agreed. Uk makes a 1% contribution to global emissions, although more with globalised food imports and manufacturing. 2bn more people and their consumption by 2070/80, most to be borne into emerging economies aspiring to western living standards. " Water and food shortage is going to be a huge problem in the next 10-20 years with the increasing world population, In Europe Malta: 1.01 children per woman Spain: 1.10 children per woman Lithuania: 1.11 children per woman Poland: 1.14 children per woman Italy: 1.20 children per woman Africa Chad: 5.84 births per woman Somalia: 5.81 births per woman Democratic Republic of the Congo: 5.80 births per woman Central African Republic: 5.69 births per woman Niger: 5.64 births per woman | |||
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"What have you done to lower your carbon footprint ? If you can afford to do it, do it and stop trying to blame someone else. Agreed. Uk makes a 1% contribution to global emissions, although more with globalised food imports and manufacturing. 2bn more people and their consumption by 2070/80, most to be borne into emerging economies aspiring to western living standards. Water and food shortage is going to be a huge problem in the next 10-20 years with the increasing world population, In Europe Malta: 1.01 children per woman Spain: 1.10 children per woman Lithuania: 1.11 children per woman Poland: 1.14 children per woman Italy: 1.20 children per woman Africa Chad: 5.84 births per woman Somalia: 5.81 births per woman Democratic Republic of the Congo: 5.80 births per woman Central African Republic: 5.69 births per woman Niger: 5.64 births per woman" Is there a reason you picked the lowest European birth rates but highest African birth rates? Also, have you factored in infant and child mortality rates? | |||
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"What have you done to lower your carbon footprint ? If you can afford to do it, do it and stop trying to blame someone else. Agreed. Uk makes a 1% contribution to global emissions, although more with globalised food imports and manufacturing. 2bn more people and their consumption by 2070/80, most to be borne into emerging economies aspiring to western living standards. Water and food shortage is going to be a huge problem in the next 10-20 years with the increasing world population, In Europe Malta: 1.01 children per woman Spain: 1.10 children per woman Lithuania: 1.11 children per woman Poland: 1.14 children per woman Italy: 1.20 children per woman Africa Chad: 5.84 births per woman Somalia: 5.81 births per woman Democratic Republic of the Congo: 5.80 births per woman Central African Republic: 5.69 births per woman Niger: 5.64 births per woman Is there a reason you picked the lowest European birth rates but highest African birth rates? Also, have you factored in infant and child mortality rates?" I didn't realise is was the lowest European birth rates, Highest European Montenegro: 1.75 live births per woman Bulgaria: 1.72 live births per woman (highest in the European Union) Georgia: 1.69 live births per woman Albania/Serbia: 1.64 live births per woman France: 1.61 live births per woman Western world population decreasing while rest of the worlds population is going up, That will cause more issues in years to come | |||
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"What have you done to lower your carbon footprint ? If you can afford to do it, do it and stop trying to blame someone else. Agreed. Uk makes a 1% contribution to global emissions, although more with globalised food imports and manufacturing. 2bn more people and their consumption by 2070/80, most to be borne into emerging economies aspiring to western living standards. Water and food shortage is going to be a huge problem in the next 10-20 years with the increasing world population, In Europe Malta: 1.01 children per woman Spain: 1.10 children per woman Lithuania: 1.11 children per woman Poland: 1.14 children per woman Italy: 1.20 children per woman Africa Chad: 5.84 births per woman Somalia: 5.81 births per woman Democratic Republic of the Congo: 5.80 births per woman Central African Republic: 5.69 births per woman Niger: 5.64 births per woman Is there a reason you picked the lowest European birth rates but highest African birth rates? Also, have you factored in infant and child mortality rates? I didn't realise is was the lowest European birth rates, Highest European Montenegro: 1.75 live births per woman Bulgaria: 1.72 live births per woman (highest in the European Union) Georgia: 1.69 live births per woman Albania/Serbia: 1.64 live births per woman France: 1.61 live births per woman Western world population decreasing while rest of the worlds population is going up, That will cause more issues in years to come " What about the infant and child mortality rates? | |||
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"What have you done to lower your carbon footprint ? If you can afford to do it, do it and stop trying to blame someone else. Agreed. Uk makes a 1% contribution to global emissions, although more with globalised food imports and manufacturing. 2bn more people and their consumption by 2070/80, most to be borne into emerging economies aspiring to western living standards. Water and food shortage is going to be a huge problem in the next 10-20 years with the increasing world population, In Europe Malta: 1.01 children per woman Spain: 1.10 children per woman Lithuania: 1.11 children per woman Poland: 1.14 children per woman Italy: 1.20 children per woman Africa Chad: 5.84 births per woman Somalia: 5.81 births per woman Democratic Republic of the Congo: 5.80 births per woman Central African Republic: 5.69 births per woman Niger: 5.64 births per woman Is there a reason you picked the lowest European birth rates but highest African birth rates? Also, have you factored in infant and child mortality rates? I didn't realise is was the lowest European birth rates, Highest European Montenegro: 1.75 live births per woman Bulgaria: 1.72 live births per woman (highest in the European Union) Georgia: 1.69 live births per woman Albania/Serbia: 1.64 live births per woman France: 1.61 live births per woman Western world population decreasing while rest of the worlds population is going up, That will cause more issues in years to come What about the infant and child mortality rates?" I'm sure if you factor in child mortality rates it would still be more then double | |||
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"What have you done to lower your carbon footprint ? If you can afford to do it, do it and stop trying to blame someone else. Agreed. Uk makes a 1% contribution to global emissions, although more with globalised food imports and manufacturing. 2bn more people and their consumption by 2070/80, most to be borne into emerging economies aspiring to western living standards. Water and food shortage is going to be a huge problem in the next 10-20 years with the increasing world population, In Europe Malta: 1.01 children per woman Spain: 1.10 children per woman Lithuania: 1.11 children per woman Poland: 1.14 children per woman Italy: 1.20 children per woman Africa Chad: 5.84 births per woman Somalia: 5.81 births per woman Democratic Republic of the Congo: 5.80 births per woman Central African Republic: 5.69 births per woman Niger: 5.64 births per woman Is there a reason you picked the lowest European birth rates but highest African birth rates? Also, have you factored in infant and child mortality rates? I didn't realise is was the lowest European birth rates, Highest European Montenegro: 1.75 live births per woman Bulgaria: 1.72 live births per woman (highest in the European Union) Georgia: 1.69 live births per woman Albania/Serbia: 1.64 live births per woman France: 1.61 live births per woman Western world population decreasing while rest of the worlds population is going up, That will cause more issues in years to come What about the infant and child mortality rates? I'm sure if you factor in child mortality rates it would still be more then double " Would it surprise you if I told you Chad’s child mortality rate is 15 times that of Malta? | |||
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"What have you done to lower your carbon footprint ? If you can afford to do it, do it and stop trying to blame someone else. Agreed. Uk makes a 1% contribution to global emissions, although more with globalised food imports and manufacturing. 2bn more people and their consumption by 2070/80, most to be borne into emerging economies aspiring to western living standards. Water and food shortage is going to be a huge problem in the next 10-20 years with the increasing world population, In Europe Malta: 1.01 children per woman Spain: 1.10 children per woman Lithuania: 1.11 children per woman Poland: 1.14 children per woman Italy: 1.20 children per woman Africa Chad: 5.84 births per woman Somalia: 5.81 births per woman Democratic Republic of the Congo: 5.80 births per woman Central African Republic: 5.69 births per woman Niger: 5.64 births per woman Is there a reason you picked the lowest European birth rates but highest African birth rates? Also, have you factored in infant and child mortality rates? I didn't realise is was the lowest European birth rates, Highest European Montenegro: 1.75 live births per woman Bulgaria: 1.72 live births per woman (highest in the European Union) Georgia: 1.69 live births per woman Albania/Serbia: 1.64 live births per woman France: 1.61 live births per woman Western world population decreasing while rest of the worlds population is going up, That will cause more issues in years to come What about the infant and child mortality rates? I'm sure if you factor in child mortality rates it would still be more then double Would it surprise you if I told you Chad’s child mortality rate is 15 times that of Malta?" It did actually, I didn't think it would be so high, but probably still having more then twice the average European country, More mouths to feed when food production likely to go down in years to come due to climate change | |||
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"More than 65,000 people have been evacuated across France and Spain as wildfires burn in each country. Reported huge fire near Madrid impossible to contain. Many in lockdown. • €2bn crops perished in Europe this summer •. Net zero looking unachievable The next 50 years could change civilisation Should we continue on the net zero path or is nature going to win? " nature always wins.just look at earths history civilisations have come and gone and so will we in time.the planet knows how to sort it's self out and it dosent give us any though whatsoever | |||
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"Global warming makes actions by idiots with Zippos considerably worse. And even without idiots with Zippos, global warming is about to make shit very uncomfortable for a very large amount of people." Sadly I think you’re right. According to The Telegraph Europe is thought to have lost around 10 million tons of forecast grain production last month. In the UK we’ve endured the three worst harvests on record in the last six years, and England received only 3% of its typical rainfall in the first three weeks of July. | |||
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"Global warming makes actions by idiots with Zippos considerably worse. And even without idiots with Zippos, global warming is about to make shit very uncomfortable for a very large amount of people. Sadly I think you’re right. According to The Telegraph Europe is thought to have lost around 10 million tons of forecast grain production last month. In the UK we’ve endured the three worst harvests on record in the last six years, and England received only 3% of its typical rainfall in the first three weeks of July. " On the bright side, just think, in twenty years time we'll be looking back at this and thinking that we were lucky to have only lost 10 million tonnes of grain production in a year. | |||
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"The majority of the wildfires are started by people, so far they have arrested 162 people in france." Is anyone saying that climate change started the fires? Were they perhaps saying that it is creating the conditions for wildfires to be much worse than they have been in the past? | |||
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"But it’s clear now that members of the right’s, conservative rational thinking elements have woken up to the fact that we’ve lost the war against climate change and global warming is a thing and not made up or a hoax." The rational types have always accepted that the climate is changing. Their questions were - how much is caused by humans, and what can we do about it. "Have we reached a point where we can begin to have a grown up, rational conversation about how we are going to handle this?" No. There are still far too many people claiming that climate change is an emergency and that it will kill us all. While those people continue to shout that the sky is falling, we'll not be able to have sensible conversations. On the bright side, people are starting to realise that Net Zero won't be the saviour that it has been sold as, and that we really need to drop it and get on with stuff that genuinely will work - like all the nuclear power advances that have been made recently. | |||
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"But it’s clear now that members of the right’s, conservative rational thinking elements have woken up to the fact that we’ve lost the war against climate change and global warming is a thing and not made up or a hoax. The rational types have always accepted that the climate is changing. Their questions were - how much is caused by humans, and what can we do about it. Have we reached a point where we can begin to have a grown up, rational conversation about how we are going to handle this? No. There are still far too many people claiming that climate change is an emergency and that it will kill us all. While those people continue to shout that the sky is falling, we'll not be able to have sensible conversations. On the bright side, people are starting to realise that Net Zero won't be the saviour that it has been sold as, and that we really need to drop it and get on with stuff that genuinely will work - like all the nuclear power advances that have been made recently." Nevertheless any politician or political party that tries to claim that global warming is a hoax is no longer going to be taken seriously. Trump repeatedly said climate change was a hoax. Going so far as saying global warming was “created by and for the Chinese”to hurt US manufacturing. Trump’s delusional thinking was echoed by UK politicians and media outlets. At least now we can debate and discuss the topic without some interested parties yelling ‘hoax’. A small step forward maybe but still a step forward, | |||
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