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By *abio OP   Man
3 weeks ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

Thought I’d start a new one so people can comment on the ins and outs of…..

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By *erdyHollyTV/TS
3 weeks ago

In a galaxy far far away

Prediction:

Streeting as chancellor or home sec.

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By *e-OptimistMan
3 weeks ago

Stalybridge

Burnham as PM.

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By *ookingFor.....Man
3 weeks ago

Horsham/Crawley

Larry the cat as home secretary.

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By *erdyHollyTV/TS
3 weeks ago

In a galaxy far far away

Reeves has quit.

Wonder if she was offered something else and decided against it.

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By *ingdomNightTimePleasuresMan
3 weeks ago

nearby


"Reeves has quit.

Wonder if she was offered something else and decided against it."

Two years as chancellor

She’ll put 10 years in her CV

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By *ookingFor.....Man
3 weeks ago

Horsham/Crawley


"Reeves has quit.

Wonder if she was offered something else and decided against it.

Two years as chancellor

She’ll put 10 years in her CV "

Harsh, but fair…

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By *erdyHollyTV/TS
3 weeks ago

In a galaxy far far away


"Prediction:

Streeting as chancellor or home sec."

No sign of him

This is why I don't bet

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By *izandpaulCouple
3 weeks ago

merseyside

Poor Andy.

Wonder if he will look as haggared and burnt out in 2 years time, just like the rest of them.

I wish him luck, I couldn't think of a worse job.

Sadly, he will never live up to the expectations all the different strands of society expect.

A thankless task but usually a great career awaits once you've done your stint.

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By *erdyHollyTV/TS
3 weeks ago

In a galaxy far far away

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By *erdyHollyTV/TS
3 weeks ago

In a galaxy far far away

John Healey is chancellor

Didn't see that one coming

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By *ostindreamsMan
3 weeks ago

London


"John Healey is chancellor

Didn't see that one coming"

He resigned over defence spending row. Looks like Burnham asked him to take over the chancellor role and figure out the defence spending himself

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By *erdyHollyTV/TS
3 weeks ago

In a galaxy far far away


"John Healey is chancellor

Didn't see that one coming

He resigned over defence spending row. Looks like Burnham asked him to take over the chancellor role and figure out the defence spending himself "

Be interesting to see how he's going to fund it

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By *ostindreamsMan
3 weeks ago

London

Mahmood as Chancellor

Miliband as foreign secretary

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By *erdyHollyTV/TS
3 weeks ago

In a galaxy far far away


"Mahmood as Chancellor

Miliband as foreign secretary "

Mahmood is home sec

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By *ellhungvweMan
3 weeks ago

Cheltenham


"John Healey is chancellor

Didn't see that one coming

He resigned over defence spending row. Looks like Burnham asked him to take over the chancellor role and figure out the defence spending himself

Be interesting to see how he's going to fund it"

I did not see that one coming but I agree he has basically told him to sort it out. I can’t see how he can’t fully fund the military now so will be interesting to see what gets cut. If anything.

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By *erdyHollyTV/TS
3 weeks ago

In a galaxy far far away

Yvette Cooper is health sec.

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By *ingdomNightTimePleasuresMan
3 weeks ago

nearby


"Yvette Cooper is health sec."

Wasn’t that leaked for three homes Rayner

Has she been given a position

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By *erdyHollyTV/TS
3 weeks ago

In a galaxy far far away


"Yvette Cooper is health sec.

Wasn’t that leaked for three homes Rayner

Has she been given a position "

There's been no sighting of Rayner yet

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By *ostindreamsMan
3 weeks ago

London


"Mahmood as Chancellor

Miliband as foreign secretary

Mahmood is home sec"

Oops. Thanks for correcting it.

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By *ostindreamsMan
3 weeks ago

London

Miliband being pushed to foreign secretary is interesting. Burnham isn't very much supportive of Net Zero?

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By *ostindreamsMan
3 weeks ago

London

Mahmood continuing as home secretary could also mean that Burnham is supportive of her immigration reforms which the Labour backbenchers were opposing.

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By *erdyHollyTV/TS
3 weeks ago

In a galaxy far far away

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By *erdyHollyTV/TS
3 weeks ago

In a galaxy far far away


"Miliband being pushed to foreign secretary is interesting. Burnham isn't very much supportive of Net Zero?"

Miliband's appointment won't please Trump as he lead the charge to stop them using British bases to hit Iran

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By *im125TV/TS
3 weeks ago

Fife

Milliband foreign Secretary ???

Bloody laughing stock around the world!!

He looks like something out of Wallace and Grommit and even worse when he opens his mouth!!!

Still at least we'll start drilling again now he's buggered off!!

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By *e-OptimistMan
3 weeks ago

Stalybridge


"Yvette Cooper is health sec.

Wasn’t that leaked for three homes Rayner

Has she been given a position

There's been no sighting of Rayner yet"

Rayner in charge of fraud prevention.

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By *ookingFor.....Man
3 weeks ago

Horsham/Crawley


"Poor Andy.

Wonder if he will look as haggared and burnt out in 2 years time, just like the rest of them.

I wish him luck, I couldn't think of a worse job.

Sadly, he will never live up to the expectations all the different strands of society expect.

A thankless task but usually a great career awaits once you've done your stint."

If his premiership is as good a fit as the suit he wore today…. We’re fucked!

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By *oubleswing2019Man
3 weeks ago

Colchester

Shabana Mahmood stays as home secretary.

On the one hand, she's developed a reputation as firm and disciplined which concerns me greatly.

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On the other hand, she's spoken about the importance of rehabilitation and framed policies to help vulnerable people. She's also mentioned her own upbringing and discrimination she has experienced. If she can retain her humanity and empathy, I'd warm more to her. She also is supportive of the ECHR, and has not advocated leaving the 1951 Refugee Convention. So perhaps there is some compassion and kindness still bubbling there.

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By *ostindreamsMan
3 weeks ago

London


"Shabana Mahmood stays as home secretary.

On the one hand, she's developed a reputation as firm and disciplined which concerns me greatly.

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What's wrong with being firm and disciplined?

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By *erdyHollyTV/TS
3 weeks ago

In a galaxy far far away

Hold the phone!

Streeting and Rayner have just entered No10

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By *erdyHollyTV/TS
3 weeks ago

In a galaxy far far away

Rayner is housing sec

You can't make this up 🤣

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By *oubleswing2019Man
3 weeks ago

Colchester


"Shabana Mahmood stays as home secretary.

On the one hand, she's developed a reputation as firm and disciplined which concerns me greatly.

What's wrong with being firm and disciplined?"

What's right with being firm and disciplined ?

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By *otMe66Man
3 weeks ago

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By *ingdomNightTimePleasuresMan
3 weeks ago

nearby

Three homes Angela back in charge of house building

1,500,000 new homes ……

New build delivery rates worse than tories.

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By *otMe66Man
3 weeks ago

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"Shabana Mahmood stays as home secretary.

On the one hand, she's developed a reputation as firm and disciplined which concerns me greatly.

What's wrong with being firm and disciplined?

What's right with being firm and disciplined ?"

What's wrong with it? Can you answer this simply?

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By *ostindreamsMan
3 weeks ago

London


"Shabana Mahmood stays as home secretary.

On the one hand, she's developed a reputation as firm and disciplined which concerns me greatly.

What's wrong with being firm and disciplined?

What's right with being firm and disciplined ?"

Politicians win the elections making electoral promises. Being firm and disciplined is important to fulfil those promises.

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By *otMe66Man
3 weeks ago

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"Three homes Angela back in charge of house building

1,500,000 new homes ……

New build delivery rates worse than tories."

Taxpayers funding longterm housing that can be passed from one relative to another through lifetime tenancies, and people wonder why there isn’t enough social and council housing when those who have it don't need to let go of it.

Where is the incentive to move out and let someone else who is less fortunate have their chance?

We can't keep building houses and allowing the stock to be manipulated.

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By *ondon GentMan
3 weeks ago

london

Convicted fraudster Louise Haigh - now deputy pm

Manc matress gets her job back - has she paid her tax yet ?

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By *oubleswing2019Man
3 weeks ago

Colchester


"Shabana Mahmood stays as home secretary.

On the one hand, she's developed a reputation as firm and disciplined which concerns me greatly.

What's wrong with being firm and disciplined?

What's right with being firm and disciplined ?

What's wrong with it? Can you answer this simply? "

If 2 of you feel there is nothing wrong with it, perhaps you need to give your reasons why ? After all, I might agree with some of them, but I cannot refute any until you do. Where is the line being drawn here ? What are your definitions and understandings of firm and disciplined ?

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By *ostindreamsMan
3 weeks ago

London


"Shabana Mahmood stays as home secretary.

On the one hand, she's developed a reputation as firm and disciplined which concerns me greatly.

What's wrong with being firm and disciplined?

What's right with being firm and disciplined ?

What's wrong with it? Can you answer this simply?

If 2 of you feel there is nothing wrong with it, perhaps you need to give your reasons why ? After all, I might agree with some of them, but I cannot refute any until you do. Where is the line being drawn here ? What are your definitions and understandings of firm and disciplined ?"

Not sure what you are saying here. Why should someone give a reason for saying there is nothing wrong with a person's actions? You said that being firm and disciplined is "concerning". What exactly are you concerned about a politician being firm and disciplined?

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By *oubleswing2019Man
3 weeks ago

Colchester


"What exactly are you concerned about a politician being firm and disciplined?"

Firm and disciplined sits somewhere along the spectrum nearer to "Authoritarian" in my view. That is not an end which I wish to see strengthen or widen (USA, I am looking at you in particular).

Disciplined also implies inability to change direction when circumstances change. It's a rigidity of thinking, and I believe leaders need to be able to adapt and pivot to meet the changing needs of a society. Societies are not fixed social constructs.

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What is your understanding then of firm and disciplined ? I've shown you mine

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By *ostindreamsMan
3 weeks ago

London

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By *ostindreamsMan
3 weeks ago

London


"What exactly are you concerned about a politician being firm and disciplined?

Firm and disciplined sits somewhere along the spectrum nearer to "Authoritarian" in my view. That is not an end which I wish to see strengthen or widen (USA, I am looking at you in particular).

Disciplined also implies inability to change direction when circumstances change. It's a rigidity of thinking, and I believe leaders need to be able to adapt and pivot to meet the changing needs of a society. Societies are not fixed social constructs.

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What is your understanding then of firm and disciplined ? I've shown you mine "

In my opinion, firm and disciplined in a political context means sticking to the promises made to the electorate without getting distracted by other noises.

Considering that Labour's manifesto pledge is to control immigration, I think she is doing the right thing.

Unless you believe that sticking to election promises is wrong, I don't see why you find it concerning.

The word "firm" could possibly be twisted and linked to authoritarianism. But there is no way being "disciplined" can be linked to authoritarianism.

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By *erdyHollyTV/TS
3 weeks ago

In a galaxy far far away


"Prediction:

Streeting as chancellor or home sec."

He's defence sec

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By *ove2pleaseseukMan
3 weeks ago

Hastings


"Three homes Angela back in charge of house building

1,500,000 new homes ……

New build delivery rates worse than tories.

Taxpayers funding longterm housing that can be passed from one relative to another through lifetime tenancies, and people wonder why there isn’t enough social and council housing when those who have it don't need to let go of it.

Where is the incentive to move out and let someone else who is less fortunate have their chance?

We can't keep building houses and allowing the stock to be manipulated. "

When I was working on social housing this was common, older people staying in a 3 bed house tii the grad daughter had children and the grad daughter and grate grad daughter would move I and get on the tenancy agreement.

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By *ingdomNightTimePleasuresMan
3 weeks ago

nearby


"Three homes Angela back in charge of house building

1,500,000 new homes ……

New build delivery rates worse than tories.

Taxpayers funding longterm housing that can be passed from one relative to another through lifetime tenancies, and people wonder why there isn’t enough social and council housing when those who have it don't need to let go of it.

Where is the incentive to move out and let someone else who is less fortunate have their chance?

We can't keep building houses and allowing the stock to be manipulated.

When I was working on social housing this was common, older people staying in a 3 bed house tii the grad daughter had children and the grad daughter and grate grad daughter would move I and get on the tenancy agreement. "

2,100,000 social housing units sold at one time discounts to tenants and not replaced.

Lloyd’s tsb did some research on this nearly 20 years ago, the post giveaway house price increases have cost councils hundreds of billions.

Added to higher land prices, higher construction cost, nimbyism and a growing / ageing population / 29% single person household profile and now there is a huge rebuild cost and it’s will take decades to replace what has been sold. I get that the homes are still occupied but the stock of affordable rent homes has fallen by 50%

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By *ookingFor.....Man
3 weeks ago

Horsham/Crawley


"Prediction:

Streeting as chancellor or home sec.

He's defence sec"

A gay Christian in charge of defence?

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By *ostindreamsMan
3 weeks ago

London

VAT on electricity removed. I like this.

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By *adBod_76Man
3 weeks ago

Witham


"Prediction:

Streeting as chancellor or home sec.

He's defence sec

A gay Christian in charge of defence? "

Which one of those attributes is a problem?

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By *ingdomNightTimePleasuresMan
3 weeks ago

nearby


"VAT on electricity removed. I like this."

Expecting rent controls. Water privatisation

Hard line on energy prices, supermarkets, end to consumer Rip off scams,

Investment in social housing

Noticed his speech yesterday, no rostrum and no notes

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By *ove2pleaseseukMan
3 weeks ago

Hastings


"Three homes Angela back in charge of house building

1,500,000 new homes ……

New build delivery rates worse than tories.

Taxpayers funding longterm housing that can be passed from one relative to another through lifetime tenancies, and people wonder why there isn’t enough social and council housing when those who have it don't need to let go of it.

Where is the incentive to move out and let someone else who is less fortunate have their chance?

We can't keep building houses and allowing the stock to be manipulated.

When I was working on social housing this was common, older people staying in a 3 bed house tii the grad daughter had children and the grad daughter and grate grad daughter would move I and get on the tenancy agreement.

2,100,000 social housing units sold at one time discounts to tenants and not replaced.

Lloyd’s tsb did some research on this nearly 20 years ago, the post giveaway house price increases have cost councils hundreds of billions.

Added to higher land prices, higher construction cost, nimbyism and a growing / ageing population / 29% single person household profile and now there is a huge rebuild cost and it’s will take decades to replace what has been sold. I get that the homes are still occupied but the stock of affordable rent homes has fallen by 50% "

And that's how a Conservative Thatcher government got vots from Labour voters. If you vote for what helps you not the country what can you expect but to be bitten on the ass years later.

Posably the same with water privatisation.

When will the voter learn 🤔

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By *hromakeyDreamcoatMan
3 weeks ago

Carlisle


"Prediction:

Streeting as chancellor or home sec.

He's defence sec

A gay Christian in charge of defence? "

Is it homosexuality, or Christianity that is the issue for you, or both?

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By *eroy1000Man
3 weeks ago

milton keynes


"VAT on electricity removed. I like this."

Not sure how permanent it is but certainly a good step in my opinion. Oddly a guy on the radio pointed out this would not have been possible while in the EU. If true then I guess it's short term so as to not diverge to much from EU rules

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By *im125TV/TS
3 weeks ago

Fife


"VAT on electricity removed. I like this."

Less than one pound a week off electricity bills. Hmmmmm

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By *ingdomNightTimePleasuresMan
3 weeks ago

nearby


"VAT on electricity removed. I like this.

Less than one pound a week off electricity bills. Hmmmmm

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And bus fares capped at £2

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By *im125TV/TS
3 weeks ago

Fife


"VAT on electricity removed. I like this.

Less than one pound a week off electricity bills. Hmmmmm

And bus fares capped at £2

"

Well that's good,a bus fare price cap is far more useful than vat off electricity.

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By *ookingFor.....Man
3 weeks ago

Horsham/Crawley


"Prediction:

Streeting as chancellor or home sec.

He's defence sec

A gay Christian in charge of defence?

Is it homosexuality, or Christianity that is the issue for you, or both?"

If you checked my profile, you’d see I’m gay myself so that’s a bit unlikely.

I’m also a Christian, so you’ve jumped to

conclusions I’d say.

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By *ookingFor.....Man
3 weeks ago

Horsham/Crawley


"Prediction:

Streeting as chancellor or home sec.

He's defence sec

A gay Christian in charge of defence?

Which one of those attributes is a problem?"

Possibly neither…

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By *ingdomNightTimePleasuresMan
3 weeks ago

nearby


"VAT on electricity removed. I like this.

Less than one pound a week off electricity bills. Hmmmmm

And bus fares capped at £2

Well that's good,a bus fare price cap is far more useful than vat off electricity. "

Sounds like Healey has agreed a couple of billion for introductory teasers. Press says he’s rolled back on income tax cuts ‘to be looked at’. You could be mistaken for thinking he was taking over from a different party

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By *ingdomNightTimePleasuresMan
3 weeks ago

nearby

UK inflation down to 2.6%

All good news for Burnham

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By *ellhungvweMan
3 weeks ago

Cheltenham

A £45 fuel bill reduction and a £2 bus fare. Laudable but not going to move the dial on the economy. It’s better than Starmer leading with “we are all doomed, doomed I tell you” but it is pretty underwhelming as a first drop.

I want Burnham to succeed simply because we cannot go on with the last decades failure of the Tories and Labour but they need to hit the ground running with something substantial soon.

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By *ostindreamsMan
3 weeks ago

London


"VAT on electricity removed. I like this.

Not sure how permanent it is but certainly a good step in my opinion. Oddly a guy on the radio pointed out this would not have been possible while in the EU. If true then I guess it's short term so as to not diverge to much from EU rules "

Looks like this is true. We can't reduce VAT in Northern Ireland because of this reason. Brexit win I suppose

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By *ostindreamsMan
3 weeks ago

London


"VAT on electricity removed. I like this.

Less than one pound a week off electricity bills. Hmmmmm

And bus fares capped at £2

Well that's good,a bus fare price cap is far more useful than vat off electricity. "

These are small things which add up. The electricity VAT apparently resulted in 850M in taxes. Now this money goes around in the market benefiting businesses and workers.

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By *ingdomNightTimePleasuresMan
3 weeks ago

nearby


"VAT on electricity removed. I like this.

Less than one pound a week off electricity bills. Hmmmmm

And bus fares capped at £2

Well that's good,a bus fare price cap is far more useful than vat off electricity.

These are small things which add up. The electricity VAT apparently resulted in 850M in taxes. Now this money goes around in the market benefiting businesses and workers."

They do add up and better in the economy

However £850m is equivalent to three days interest payments on the national debt, which the treasury will need to find from somewhere else.

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By *abio OP   Man
3 weeks ago

Newcastle and Gateshead


"Convicted fraudster Louise Haigh - now deputy pm

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Dear mr London gent….

I think the way use use the term “convicted fraudster” to smear is doing a whole lot of heavy lifting….

I think we should put it in a file marked “ not all fraud is the same “

So would you like to tell the thread the exact fraud she was convicted of?

Because using what she did.. which I will happily say was an absolute dumb thing to do… and trying to conflate that to let’s say… Farage bestie “posh George”… is going to be a stretch!

It’s like me saying stealing a chocolate bar and stealing a million pounds should be treated the same because they are both “theft”

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By *rDiscretionXXXMan
3 weeks ago

Gilfach


"Convicted fraudster Louise Haigh - now deputy pm"


"Dear mr London gent….

I think the way use use the term “convicted fraudster” to smear is doing a whole lot of heavy lifting….

I think we should put it in a file marked “ not all fraud is the same “

So would you like to tell the thread the exact fraud she was convicted of?

Because using what she did.. which I will happily say was an absolute dumb thing to do… and trying to conflate that to let’s say… Farage bestie “posh George”… is going to be a stretch!

It’s like me saying stealing a chocolate bar and stealing a million pounds should be treated the same because they are both “theft”"

It's interesting that you should bring up Posh George. He gets referred to as a convicted fraudster quite a lot when people want to smear the people he associates with. What was he convicted of? A single charge of Wire Fraud - using a telephone to discuss ways in which money could be laundered. He wasn't convicted of fraud, or money laundering, just for talking about it over the phone.

So George's only conviction is for something quite minor, unlike Louise Haigh who has committed actual fraud.

Not that I'm suggesting that George is an innocent flower here, I'm just saying that the label "convicted fraudster" doesn't fit him well, whereas it's an accurate description of Louise.

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By *abio OP   Man
3 weeks ago

Newcastle and Gateshead


"

So George's only conviction is for something quite minor, unlike Louise Haigh who has committed actual fraud.

Not that I'm suggesting that George is an innocent flower here, I'm just saying that the label "convicted fraudster" doesn't fit him well, whereas it's an accurate description of Louise."

If this is what you think then I don’t think you actually know what Louise haigh actually did!

So I will put to you the same challenge I put to London gent

Tell the thread what she actually did! (P.s I know what she did… so I want you to tell people with a straight face it was as bad as what posh George did!)

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By *hromakeyDreamcoatMan
3 weeks ago

Carlisle


"

So George's only conviction is for something quite minor, unlike Louise Haigh who has committed actual fraud.

Not that I'm suggesting that George is an innocent flower here, I'm just saying that the label "convicted fraudster" doesn't fit him well, whereas it's an accurate description of Louise.

If this is what you think then I don’t think you actually know what Louise haigh actually did!

So I will put to you the same challenge I put to London gent

Tell the thread what she actually did! (P.s I know what she did… so I want you to tell people with a straight face it was as bad as what posh George did!)"

I’m intrigued, I’d quite like to hear what Haigh did too. Must’ve been pretty terrible.

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By *ellhungvweMan
3 weeks ago

Cheltenham


"

So George's only conviction is for something quite minor, unlike Louise Haigh who has committed actual fraud.

Not that I'm suggesting that George is an innocent flower here, I'm just saying that the label "convicted fraudster" doesn't fit him well, whereas it's an accurate description of Louise.

If this is what you think then I don’t think you actually know what Louise haigh actually did!

So I will put to you the same challenge I put to London gent

Tell the thread what she actually did! (P.s I know what she did… so I want you to tell people with a straight face it was as bad as what posh George did!)"

She lost a phone and then didn’t tell the police when she found it. It is very minor.

I guess the question is how far does minor go? Does it cover claiming for a duck pond? Does it cover mistakenly not paying all the tax on an £850k house? Does it cover not being able to remember why someone gave you £5m?

For me I think if something was serious enough for someone to resign their seat in cabinet or in parliament and force a by election. then it is serious enough to preclude them from high office moving forward. That goes for all parties.

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By *otMe66Man
3 weeks ago

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"

So George's only conviction is for something quite minor, unlike Louise Haigh who has committed actual fraud.

Not that I'm suggesting that George is an innocent flower here, I'm just saying that the label "convicted fraudster" doesn't fit him well, whereas it's an accurate description of Louise.

If this is what you think then I don’t think you actually know what Louise haigh actually did!

So I will put to you the same challenge I put to London gent

Tell the thread what she actually did! (P.s I know what she did… so I want you to tell people with a straight face it was as bad as what posh George did!)"

what she claimed or what she admitted to in court are very different and I suspect you are referring to what she claimed rather than was she admitted to in court.

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By *rDiscretionXXXMan
3 weeks ago

Gilfach


"If this is what you think then I don’t think you actually know what Louise haigh actually did!

So I will put to you the same challenge I put to London gent

Tell the thread what she actually did! (P.s I know what she did… so I want you to tell people with a straight face it was as bad as what posh George did!)"

If we accept her version of events, what she did was to accidentally list a work phone in a list of items that went missing in a robbery. She later found that work phone in her house, and failed to tell the police or the insurance company that she had done so. She then sold the phone on. Pretty minor as criminality goes, but an actual fraud and an admission of guilt.

What George did according to the prosecution was to use a telephone to talk about methods by which money could be laundered. He admitted talking, but no money laundering or fraud charges were put forward.

Based purely on the facts of what was prosecuted, I'd say that Haigh is the less trivial case.

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By *otMe66Man
3 weeks ago

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"If this is what you think then I don’t think you actually know what Louise haigh actually did!

So I will put to you the same challenge I put to London gent

Tell the thread what she actually did! (P.s I know what she did… so I want you to tell people with a straight face it was as bad as what posh George did!)

If we accept her version of events, what she did was to accidentally list a work phone in a list of items that went missing in a robbery. She later found that work phone in her house, and failed to tell the police or the insurance company that she had done so. She then sold the phone on. Pretty minor as criminality goes, but an actual fraud and an admission of guilt.

What George did according to the prosecution was to use a telephone to talk about methods by which money could be laundered. He admitted talking, but no money laundering or fraud charges were put forward.

Based purely on the facts of what was prosecuted, I'd say that Haigh is the less trivial case."

She claimed that, however court records show she admitted she lied about the phone being taken in a mugging.

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By *wayne-PipeMan
3 weeks ago

howton


"Thought I’d start a new one so people can comment on the ins and outs of….."

Is this post to winkle out those who criticise your favourites and bash them? .. hmmm 🤔

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By *007ManMan
3 weeks ago

Worthing

Only good thing is that we might see more of Angela Rayners big bum in tight trousers.

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By *eroy1000Man
3 weeks ago

milton keynes


"VAT on electricity removed. I like this.

Not sure how permanent it is but certainly a good step in my opinion. Oddly a guy on the radio pointed out this would not have been possible while in the EU. If true then I guess it's short term so as to not diverge to much from EU rules

Looks like this is true. We can't reduce VAT in Northern Ireland because of this reason. Brexit win I suppose "

It certainly looks true and guess it may sense about Northern Ireland. So the other month Rachel Reeves reduced import duties on certain goods to help with costs and now the new regime has reduced VAT on electricity bills. Both of which were once impossible

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By *eroy1000Man
3 weeks ago

milton keynes


"If this is what you think then I don’t think you actually know what Louise haigh actually did!

So I will put to you the same challenge I put to London gent

Tell the thread what she actually did! (P.s I know what she did… so I want you to tell people with a straight face it was as bad as what posh George did!)

If we accept her version of events, what she did was to accidentally list a work phone in a list of items that went missing in a robbery. She later found that work phone in her house, and failed to tell the police or the insurance company that she had done so. She then sold the phone on. Pretty minor as criminality goes, but an actual fraud and an admission of guilt.

What George did according to the prosecution was to use a telephone to talk about methods by which money could be laundered. He admitted talking, but no money laundering or fraud charges were put forward.

Based purely on the facts of what was prosecuted, I'd say that Haigh is the less trivial case."

Not telling the police and insurance is bad enough but to then try and sell it just shows she was on the fiddle. With the George case are you saying all he did was just talk about how to launder money? Did he not at least start to enact the plan he had talked about?

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By *ookingFor.....Man
3 weeks ago

Horsham/Crawley

Streeting and Mahmood find their jobs funny and are clearly looking forward to releasing murderers and rapists from jail.

A new low.

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By *ookingFor.....Man
3 weeks ago

Horsham/Crawley


"VAT on electricity removed. I like this."

What will you do with the few pounds a month saved?

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By *rDiscretionXXXMan
3 weeks ago

Gilfach


"If this is what you think then I don’t think you actually know what Louise haigh actually did!

So I will put to you the same challenge I put to London gent

Tell the thread what she actually did! (P.s I know what she did… so I want you to tell people with a straight face it was as bad as what posh George did!)"


"If we accept her version of events, what she did was to accidentally list a work phone in a list of items that went missing in a robbery. She later found that work phone in her house, and failed to tell the police or the insurance company that she had done so. She then sold the phone on. Pretty minor as criminality goes, but an actual fraud and an admission of guilt.

What George did according to the prosecution was to use a telephone to talk about methods by which money could be laundered. He admitted talking, but no money laundering or fraud charges were put forward.

Based purely on the facts of what was prosecuted, I'd say that Haigh is the less trivial case."


"Not telling the police and insurance is bad enough but to then try and sell it just shows she was on the fiddle. With the George case are you saying all he did was just talk about how to launder money? Did he not at least start to enact the plan he had talked about?"

There's lots of discussion that he did more than that, but Fabio seemed keen that we stick to the evidence. The only case brought was for Wire Fraud, which is used in the US as a catch-all charge. It elevates state level crimes to federal level. The people he was having the conversation with were (unknown to him) federal agents who positioned themselves out of state so that the Wire Fraud charge could be brought.

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By *abio OP   Man
3 weeks ago

Newcastle and Gateshead


"If this is what you think then I don’t think you actually know what Louise haigh actually did!

So I will put to you the same challenge I put to London gent

Tell the thread what she actually did! (P.s I know what she did… so I want you to tell people with a straight face it was as bad as what posh George did!)

If we accept her version of events, what she did was to accidentally list a work phone in a list of items that went missing in a robbery. She later found that work phone in her house, and failed to tell the police or the insurance company that she had done so. She then sold the phone on. Pretty minor as criminality goes, but an actual fraud and an admission of guilt.

What George did according to the prosecution was to use a telephone to talk about methods by which money could be laundered. He admitted talking, but no money laundering or fraud charges were put forward.

Based purely on the facts of what was prosecuted, I'd say that Haigh is the less trivial case.

Not telling the police and insurance is bad enough but to then try and sell it just shows she was on the fiddle. With the George case are you saying all he did was just talk about how to launder money? Did he not at least start to enact the plan he had talked about?"

Well the people “George” thought he was speaking regarding money laundering were only drug traffickers… but happened to be us police in a sting operation

But sure.. worse than Louise

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By *eroy1000Man
3 weeks ago

milton keynes


"If this is what you think then I don’t think you actually know what Louise haigh actually did!

So I will put to you the same challenge I put to London gent

Tell the thread what she actually did! (P.s I know what she did… so I want you to tell people with a straight face it was as bad as what posh George did!)

If we accept her version of events, what she did was to accidentally list a work phone in a list of items that went missing in a robbery. She later found that work phone in her house, and failed to tell the police or the insurance company that she had done so. She then sold the phone on. Pretty minor as criminality goes, but an actual fraud and an admission of guilt.

What George did according to the prosecution was to use a telephone to talk about methods by which money could be laundered. He admitted talking, but no money laundering or fraud charges were put forward.

Based purely on the facts of what was prosecuted, I'd say that Haigh is the less trivial case.

Not telling the police and insurance is bad enough but to then try and sell it just shows she was on the fiddle. With the George case are you saying all he did was just talk about how to launder money? Did he not at least start to enact the plan he had talked about?

Well the people “George” thought he was speaking regarding money laundering were only drug traffickers… but happened to be us police in a sting operation

But sure.. worse than Louise "

If you read back at no point did I say if I though the George incident was worse or less worse than the Louise incident. You will see I was asking for what actually happened in both cases

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By *ostindreamsMan
3 weeks ago

London

20% cut in business rates for pubs, clubs and live music venues in England.

He is off to a good start, I must say.

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By *ellhungvweMan
3 weeks ago

Cheltenham


"20% cut in business rates for pubs, clubs and live music venues in England.

He is off to a good start, I must say."

Really? This is all tinkering around the edges. This is the time he has maximum political authority. He needs to exercise it before it disappears. I don’t like what Trump did but you cannot doubt the impact he had in those first few days last year. If Burnham really wants to change the country then now is the time. Bus fares and pub rates are not going to cut it.

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By *ostindreamsMan
3 weeks ago

London


"20% cut in business rates for pubs, clubs and live music venues in England.

He is off to a good start, I must say.

Really? This is all tinkering around the edges. This is the time he has maximum political authority. He needs to exercise it before it disappears. I don’t like what Trump did but you cannot doubt the impact he had in those first few days last year. If Burnham really wants to change the country then now is the time. Bus fares and pub rates are not going to cut it."

I agree that these changes are small and aren't sufficient to turn around this country. But the bigger changes will take a while for him to push through. We should at least wait for a full-fledged budget. These smaller changes seem to be in the right direction at least.

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By *ellhungvweMan
3 weeks ago

Cheltenham


"20% cut in business rates for pubs, clubs and live music venues in England.

He is off to a good start, I must say.

Really? This is all tinkering around the edges. This is the time he has maximum political authority. He needs to exercise it before it disappears. I don’t like what Trump did but you cannot doubt the impact he had in those first few days last year. If Burnham really wants to change the country then now is the time. Bus fares and pub rates are not going to cut it.

I agree that these changes are small and aren't sufficient to turn around this country. But the bigger changes will take a while for him to push through. We should at least wait for a full-fledged budget. These smaller changes seem to be in the right direction at least."

I don’t think he has got very long to make his plan public. Starmer was unpopular because he didn’t have an executable plan. To replace him with someone who also doesn’t have a viable plan will be pushing the patience of the country.

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By *hromakeyDreamcoatMan
3 weeks ago

Carlisle


"20% cut in business rates for pubs, clubs and live music venues in England.

He is off to a good start, I must say.

Really? This is all tinkering around the edges. This is the time he has maximum political authority. He needs to exercise it before it disappears. I don’t like what Trump did but you cannot doubt the impact he had in those first few days last year. If Burnham really wants to change the country then now is the time. Bus fares and pub rates are not going to cut it."

But the impact Trump had was a very negative one. Having a negative impact is considerably worse than having none at all.

This lionising of men of action is childish in the extreme, doing the right thing is what is important.

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By *otMe66Man
3 weeks ago

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"20% cut in business rates for pubs, clubs and live music venues in England.

He is off to a good start, I must say.

Really? This is all tinkering around the edges. This is the time he has maximum political authority. He needs to exercise it before it disappears. I don’t like what Trump did but you cannot doubt the impact he had in those first few days last year. If Burnham really wants to change the country then now is the time. Bus fares and pub rates are not going to cut it.

I agree that these changes are small and aren't sufficient to turn around this country. But the bigger changes will take a while for him to push through. We should at least wait for a full-fledged budget. These smaller changes seem to be in the right direction at least."

The changes appear small but they need to be paid for. The problem is going to become fiscal rules and unless these changes create growth, or are offset by cuts elsewhere this will then have the all the makings of hot air.

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By *ingdomNightTimePleasuresMan
3 weeks ago

nearby


"20% cut in business rates for pubs, clubs and live music venues in England.

He is off to a good start, I must say."

This is what the government estimates that each of them will cost:

Cutting VAT on household electricity from 5% to 0% from October: £850m

Capping bus fares in England at £2 from January: £454m

Cutting business rates for pubs, clubs and music venues from April 2027: £100m

So that’s a touch over £1.4bn for three separate measures. To put that into context, cutting 1p off the basic rate of income tax would cost about £8.3bn next year.

£1.4bn will need to be found somewhere else.

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By *wayne-PipeMan
3 weeks ago

howton


"20% cut in business rates for pubs, clubs and live music venues in England.

He is off to a good start, I must say."

Tweaking around more like. Sounds good as does domestic vat cut on electric

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By *lan157Man
3 weeks ago

a village near Haywards Heath in East Sussex

Changes need to be announced that reduce cost of living, drive up the economy and produce the feeling that things are getting better .I expect the budget in October will bring it all down to earth but I for one am pleased that "something " is being done . Not so pleased that he may be soft on crime and criminals .

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By *wayne-PipeMan
3 weeks ago

howton


"Changes need to be announced that reduce cost of living, drive up the economy and produce the feeling that things are getting better .I expect the budget in October will bring it all down to earth but I for one am pleased that "something " is being done . Not so pleased that he may be soft on crime and criminals . "

Yep.. the economy needs sorting out and getting the hospitality going is a start ..

Needs to get the economy going.

As for the prisons .. I was watching a ghost hunting type program on TV, and were in a recently closed prison that although looked a bit tatty, a lick if paint and quick refurb could be going again.

It already had cameras and hi security electric gate,

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By *ookingFor.....Man
3 weeks ago

Horsham/Crawley

Rayner not paying back her severance pay despite her saying the Tories should’ve done in the same situation.

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By *im125TV/TS
3 weeks ago

Fife


"Rayner not paying back her severance pay despite her saying the Tories should’ve done in the same situation."

Are you actually surprised?

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By *wayne-PipeMan
2 weeks ago

howton


"Thought I’d start a new one so people can comment on the ins and outs of….."

I think you should be covering the gigantic mess that American politics are in before picking fault with British politics.

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By *hrill CollinsMan
2 weeks ago

The Outer Rim


"It's interesting that you should bring up Posh George. He gets referred to as a convicted fraudster quite a lot when people want to smear the people he associates with. What was he convicted of? A single charge of Wire Fraud - using a telephone to discuss ways in which money could be laundered. He wasn't convicted of fraud, or money laundering, just for talking about it over the phone.

So George's only conviction is for something quite minor, unlike Louise Haigh who has committed actual fraud.

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Key Elements of Wire Fraud

To establish a case of wire fraud, the following elements must be proven:

Scheme to Defraud: There must be a deliberate plan to deceive someone for financial gain.

Intent to Defraud: The perpetrator must have the intention to defraud the victim.

Use of Interstate Wire Communications: The scheme must involve the use of electronic communications that cross state lines.

wire fraud is treated as a felony, and a conviction can lead to substantial prison time of 20-30yrs and financial penalties.

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By *rDiscretionXXXMan
2 weeks ago

Gilfach


"Key Elements of Wire Fraud

To establish a case of wire fraud, the following elements must be proven:

Scheme to Defraud: There must be a deliberate plan to deceive someone for financial gain.

Intent to Defraud: The perpetrator must have the intention to defraud the victim.

Use of Interstate Wire Communications: The scheme must involve the use of electronic communications that cross state lines.

wire fraud is treated as a felony, and a conviction can lead to substantial prison time of 20-30yrs and financial penalties."

That's what the AI overview will tell you, but it's not accurate. There are parts of 18 U.S.C. § 1343 that can see you in prison without any actual fraud having taken over. If you look at George Cottrell's indictment there's no mention of fraud at all, just using inter-state electronic communication to discuss money laundering.

Cottrell received no financial penalty, and was sentenced to 8 months in prison and released immediately having already served that time awaiting trial.

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